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#106 - Agentic Engineering og Jumbo CLI med Joshua Wheelock · Verbos: AI og Softwareudvikling

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Her allesammen og velkommen til hvad bos podcast afsnit nummer
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6. I dag skal vi snakke om agent
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frameworks og ja vi snakker jo meget om gente engineering og og
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alt det her med at at at man ligesom bruger agenter til at
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udvikle med og i dag har vi joshuaweelag med som som har
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lavet som har arbejdet på et på på et framework i forhold til at
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arbejde med agenter som som vi gerne vil høre mere om her i
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hvad hedder det vorbroos podcast?
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Bare for at høre Sådan hvordan. Altså fordi Det er så meget up
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and the air lige i øjeblikket med med hensyn til hvordan vi
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udvikler med agenter og så videre.
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Vi har også den gode on drak capis som lavede det her det her
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tweet hvor han sagde at han følte sig bagud og at det
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virkede som om at alle de her den her teknologi med agenter.
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Det var lidt Sådan et alien tool der var kommet ned fra himlen og
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den det havde ikke nogen manual, så så præmissen her er ligesom
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at. Der er ikke rigtig nogen af os,
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der ved hvordan man gør det her bedst.
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Men, og Det er derfor Det er rigtig værdifuldt at at dele
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viden, så så det det det skal handle om i dag.
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Hvordan arbejder i med agenter, og hvordan skal man sige
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materialiserer det man? Det måske også ind II frameworks
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og og laver tooling til at gøre det mere effektivt, så Det er
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det det skal handle om i dag. Velkommen til Joshua. 1000 tak
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Jeg er så glad for at at tage jer.
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Ja hvad hedder det jeg tænkte på?
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Vil du ikke introducere dig selv, Joshua?
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Jeg har boet i Danmark i 15 år. Som Jeg har lært fra en skotsk
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kollega for mange år siden, som. Ham og mig og andre, som også
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kan ofte bliver kaldt som love refi jes.
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Så jeg fordi det trænger til Danmark er en dansk pige, som vi
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mødte i Universitet IUSA er altså Det var mange, mange år
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tilbage. Jeg har en baggrund som.
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Jeg Jeg er som Jeg vil kalde Sådan den.
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Og hvad hedder improvable på dansk?
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Usandsynligt. Ja usandsynligt usandsynligt er
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softwareingeniør. Jeg har en en meget anderledes
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baggrund. Jeg har aldrig set kåde end da
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jeg var 30. Og Jeg har startet på
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Universitet da jeg var 28. Og før Det har jeg været
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moplessker og klatret op i 3 og skært med mortesav og alt
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muligt. Jeg har haft 3 år ude i rocky
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bjerg, hvor jeg står på ski og klatrer oppe i bjerge så meget
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som muligt og arbejde som som så lidt som muligt.
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Ja så var det tid til at vokse op og blive lidt træt.
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Han bliver færdig fattig. Så Jeg har besluttet, at jeg
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skal læse på Universitet, og Jeg har faktisk startet på mekanisk
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ingeniør linje. Og Sådan der lange historier,
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men skiftet undervejs er er læst matematik.
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Og og og Det var bare 4 år er bare randing profos.
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Folk synes Det er det det handler om tal, men Det er rent
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logik. Ja logik meget kedeligt mauture.
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Men som undervejs har jeg også taget en hel masse compil
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science kursus. Og Jeg synes Det er vigtigt
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fedt, super spændende og Jeg har også haft evne til det hr evne
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er det så rigtigt? Ja.
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Så jeg fik en job. Jeg fik et job.
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Som. Studentmedarbejder II en
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commenty College og som dengang jeg kunne java jeg kunne se.
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Og Jeg har haft David strucks og algoritmer og de slags ting
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meget basalt. Og og har.
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Kendt lidt HTML og CSS og har arbejdet lidt med FTP før at at
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sende din HT. ML og c.
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SS fil til en server så man kan se den på på nettet.
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Deployment. Eftermiddag.
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Men, der man så alt hvad man selv var, var.
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Og så fik jeg den job. Og Det var Det var fantastisk.
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Fordi jeg fik lov 3 dage om ugen gik jeg til den community
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College og de sirius har parkeret mig ned i kælderen i
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surferummet som. Ingen vindue.
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Er. Bare højt til loftet som servers
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botting, men Det var så fedt. At jeg kunne bare sidde der jeg
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Jeg har haft en ASP dot netbog such.
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Jeg læste det hele. Igen hvor Jeg har hvor jeg
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skulle lære ad som lige fra bunden og ASP dot net og bygge
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nogle moduler til en internet de har haft på deres studien og
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medarbejdere som lærer Porto. Og der var fantastisk.
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Jeg var tæt til broen Sådan de. Jeg skulle bare snakke hvordan
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finder ud af hvad det hvad er det vi gerne vil have.
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Jeg fik lov til bare at nørde mig virkelig meget.
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Og Jeg har Jeg har lavet en masse.
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Jeg tror Jeg har lavet 11 modulet i den i den 8 måneder
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jeg var der og det ville være en fed oplevelse.
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Så kom jeg til Danmark og. Skal tænke på hvad?
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Hvad skal man arbejde med, når man har en bachelor i matematik?
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Og og og 2 kursus shi og. Compil science mainine.
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Så Jeg vil hade det jeg fik hende job er en site-core
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konsulenthus. Som hedder kabaner.
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Jeg tror det stadig eksisterer. Men Det var ude på holmen.
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Lillelé sitecore firma som men med stor kun 3 f og andre.
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Myndigheder, hjemmesider, stor hjemmesider.
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Og Det var en god start for mig, at Det var lidt en fast der hos
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kubana. Og så så var jeg det i 3 år.
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Det var meget unaturligt for mig, fordi dengang.
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Jeg har arbejdet som meget lavpraktisk direkte med assiko
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crais og og som bookede det hele fra bunden.
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Og og så pludselig skal arbejde. Med en abstraction af en CMS og
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hvad var det for noget Sådan? Det vil Jeg kan mærke Det er Jeg
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kan ikke rigtig. Jeg kunne ikke rigtig forstå det
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i starten. Men, men så kom jeg bedre som
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Jeg tror Jeg har lavet meget i det jeg var der i 3 år tror jeg.
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Så blev jeg kontaktet af en fra virkjek, som også de er lidt i.
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Marketing hjemmeside og også. I.
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Hvad hedder det medicinbranchen? Og.
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Det har jeg lavet meget. Jeg har arbejdet benhårdt, da
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jeg var der og. Kom meget længere i den sitecore
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verden og bliver ansvarlig for kodestandarden, men dengang Det
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var stadig meget. Det var ikke så mange.
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Det var partens. Det var design patends
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arkitecture partens, men jeg kendte ikke til dem dengang, som
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jeg var meget grå og meget som pragmatisk II min tilgang.
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Til det. Så fik jeg et låg efter den
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stilling til arbejde hos pentre, og Det var en fantastisk
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oplevelse. Jeg tror da jeg.
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Begyndte at arbejde for panchure har jeg først begyndt at Sådan
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virkelig blive inviteret en ingeniør.
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Fordi Det var nogle virkelig dygtige shoutout.
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Thomas stern allen coats. Kender.
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Du Allan ja Jeg vil bare bare shoutouts ellers bare shoutouts.
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Anders loop og og mere klein som.
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Virkelig dygtig udvikler, som har taget den den back-end
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webudvikling, og som gør det til mere end ingeniøring.
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Af praksis meget mere seriøst og og og.
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Jeg har lært virkelig, virkelig meget, så jeg kom i gang med
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Sådan første gang. Snakke om solid pardense og com
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og coaching principle og så videre.
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Og Det var Det var virkelig fedt også.
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OK Jeg er bedre til Jeg har haft den gode forhold til simcorp,
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som Vi har haft som kunder. Hvor jeg bliver inviteret til at
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komme og arbejde fodstærkt for dem inde i deres
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marketingafdeling. Og Det var lidt en jeg var det i
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3 år siden. Det var lidt 1 1 1.
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Mærkning stilling fordi Jeg er ikke rigtig meget til marketing.
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Men. Men Det var Det var en god
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gruppe mennesker som godt oplevelse.
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Og Det var Det var fedt at have, som jeg kunne virkelig påvirke
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ikke bare kode og løsning, men men også strategi bag det og
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prøve at som give nogle råd om hvordan vi.
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Får det mest ud af deres platform, og.
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Og deres ønsker og og ambitioner.
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Så så bliver. Kontaktet af emero klein fra
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pancher, som var udviklings. Chef hos clepper.
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Og Jeg synes Det er mega fedt Vi har haft en lang forløbs snak og
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jeg bliver halv hamtet af ham og 2 i gik derovre.
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Og som dag har jeg virkelig kommet i gang, så jeg var blevet
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som cloud nated hos klapper rent backend systemer massive og
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Sådan fedt doctor blive arkitekt på en af deres løsninger, og der
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kom i kontakt med mange, mange dygtige udviklere og Det var en
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super fed oplevelse. Så har jeg jo brugt gået bedre
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til hvor Jeg er nu og som jeg ved ikke navn fordi.
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Det Vi skal snakke om jambo, og Det er i dag.
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Det handler om at igenic engineering og vibecoing.
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Alt i maden. Og jeg skal bare prøve at holde
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min arbejdsstilling nu og den her afsked fra hinanden.
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Just hvor du kendte hvad hedder det måden vi kom i kontakt med
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dig på var Casper tidemann? Som også har været med i
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podcasten her hvor kender du? Ja jeg tænker du kender ham et
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sted fra eller? Jeg kender ham fra den tid i
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pancher faktisk. Jeg var udstedt hos danske spæd.
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Og han var det. Som privatkonsulent.
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Og. Ja jeg kunne huske ham fordi.
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Kasper er 1 1 1 1 person som når han mænd kan mærke ham når han.
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Er en rum. Han behøver ikke sige noget.
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Men. Piger er så pressende.
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Og så og så, når han endelig siger noget som Det er meget
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sjældent. Jeg har aldrig hørt ham sige
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noget noget som var dømt han. Han er virkelig.
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Han er en vigtig klog mand. Og så ved og han er også.
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Han er også. Grenet han er sjov.
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Han. Er jo det skal jo siges også at
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jamen Det var jo Casper tidmand som jo netop.
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Skrev på LinkedIn og taggede, Jeg tror Det var dig og mig
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Casper og sagde ham her Joshua ham skal i have med og som du
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siger når han siger noget, så lytter man.
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Det er rigtigt. Så derfor så tænkte jeg
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selvfølgelig skal vi det? Ja.
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Du er meget høj Jonas. Jeg ved ikke.
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Jeg ved ikke om du har skruet op for ikke fordi.
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Men men der. Det er vi meget tid til falde.
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Det er fordi. Vi har lige mødt nogle dage
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siden, så dengang som Vi har vi. Vi var som som carrit friends og
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så efter den forløb i danske spil havde let mistet kontakt
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med ham. Og og for nylig.
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Han er bare kommentarer eller liket nøgen Jeg har.
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Jeg har slået op på LinkedIn. Og så jeg tænkte på altså Jeg
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vil i gerne snakke med ham faktisk i forhold til jumpbog og
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og Sådan den den forløb Jeg har med den jeg og vi mødte, og Vi
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har en fantastisk samtale, som Jeg tror Vi har.
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Det var meget mindre AE at snakke meget om the craft of
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rigting code. 2 sekunder nu er der lige kommet lidt ekko på
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joshware. Jeg ved ikke Det var fordi jo
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Jonas sidder med teknikken så jeg ved ikke om.
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Eller er det bare, er det bare mig?
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Det tror jeg. Det er bare.
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Mig kan du også høre det? OK, Der er kommet noget.
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Det kan bare prøve at fortsætte, bare fortsætter så.
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Så prøv prøv er det. OK.
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At Det er lige kommet, ikke? Ja.
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OK super bare fortsæt så så finder Jonas.
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agentinering, verden og fremtiden, som Vi er stå i nu.
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