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Baseball Scandals Revisited: Conversations with Bill Madden and Ronald T. Waldo · WGBB Sports Talk New York

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  very
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  happy
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  you
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  us
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  We
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  have
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  got
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  some
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  great
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  authors
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  discussing
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  their
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  latest,
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  greatest
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  efforts
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  tonight.
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  Up
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  first,
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  we
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  welcome
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  back
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  to
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  the
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  show
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  the
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  great
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  writer
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  Bill
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  Madden.
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  He
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  has
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  penned
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  his
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  memoirs
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  of
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  his
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  illustrious
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  career
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  and
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  we
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  will
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  take
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  a
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  look
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  at
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  that
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  in
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  the
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  second
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  half.
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  We'll
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  welcome
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  in
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  author
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  Ronald
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  T.
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  Waldo.
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  He's
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  written
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  a
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  book
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  about
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  baseball's
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  dead
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  ball
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  era
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  as
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  it
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  had
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  been
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  come
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  to
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  be
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  known.
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  We
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  will
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  even
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  bring
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  back
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  to
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  life
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  the
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  great
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  Famer,
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  one
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  of
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  my
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  favorites,
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  Rube
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  Waddell.
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  So
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  sit
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  relax.
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  Enjoy
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  As
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  always.
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  Before
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  we
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  begin
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  again,
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  Rube
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  Waddell.
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  I
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  just
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  want
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  to
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  say,
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  folks,
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  if
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  a
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  guy
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  does
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  not
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  keep
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  pace
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  with
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  may
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  a
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  drummer.
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  And
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  Rube
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  marched
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  to
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  the
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  beat
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  of
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  his
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  And
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  apologies
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  to
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  Henry
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  David
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  Thoreau
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  for
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  paraphrasing
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  him
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  Bill
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  Madden.
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  Bill,
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  good
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  evening.
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  Good
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  evening.
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  Except
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  sightingly.
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  It's
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  not
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  30
• 3:17
  years,
• 3:18
  it's
• 3:18
  50
• 3:18
  years.
• 3:19
  Oh
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  man,
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  I'm
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  sorry,
• 3:20
  Bill.
• 3:21
  Yeah,
• 3:22
  that's
• 3:22
  okay.
• 3:23
  You
• 3:23
  look
• 3:23
  much
• 3:23
  younger,
• 3:24
  I'll
• 3:25
  tell
• 3:25
  you
• 3:25
  that.
• 3:25
  Well,
• 3:26
  I'm
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  willing
• 3:27
  to
• 3:27
  take
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  30
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  years
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  off
• 3:28
  my
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  age,
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  however.
• 3:29
  Yeah,
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  wouldn't
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  we
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  all?
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  Yeah,
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  I
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  know.
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  Yeah,
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  I
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  hear
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  you.
• 3:32
  Well,
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  you
• 3:33
  grew
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  up
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  in
• 3:34
  Jersey,
• 3:34
  Bill.
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  Who
• 3:36
  are
• 3:36
  your
• 3:36
  sports
• 3:36
  heroes
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  and
• 3:37
  your
• 3:37
  favorite
• 3:37
  teams
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  as
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  a
• 3:38
  kid?
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  Well,
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  I
• 3:40
  grew
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  up
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  in
• 3:41
  a
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  family
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  of
• 3:42
  Yankee
• 3:42
  fans
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  in
• 3:44
  Bergen
• 3:44
  County,
• 3:44
  New
• 3:45
  Jersey,
• 3:45
  so.
• 3:46
  But
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  I
• 3:47
  felt
• 3:47
  it
• 3:47
  was
• 3:47
  too
• 3:48
  easy
• 3:48
  to
• 3:48
  be
• 3:48
  a
• 3:48
  Yankee
• 3:49
  fan.
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  Okay.
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  So
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  I
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  needed
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  to
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  find
• 3:51
  some,
• 3:52
  I
• 3:52
  needed
• 3:52
  to
• 3:52
  find
• 3:53
  a
• 3:53
  team
• 3:53
  more
• 3:53
  challenging.
• 3:54
  And
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  when
• 3:55
  I
• 3:55
  was
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  a
• 3:55
  kid,
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  I
• 3:56
  was.
• 3:56
  My
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  favorite
• 3:57
  player
• 3:57
  as
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  a
• 3:58
  kid
• 3:58
  was
• 3:58
  Nelly
• 3:58
  Fox
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  who
• 3:59
  was
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  a
• 4:00
  short
• 4:00
  little
• 4:01
  guy
• 4:01
  who
• 4:01
  was
• 4:02
  a
• 4:02
  self
• 4:03
  made
• 4:03
  player.
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  He
• 4:05
  didn't
• 4:05
  have
• 4:05
  a
• 4:06
  whole
• 4:06
  lot
• 4:06
  of
• 4:06
  natural
• 4:07
  ability,
• 4:07
  but
• 4:07
  he
• 4:08
  put
• 4:08
  everything
• 4:08
  into
• 4:09
  the
• 4:09
  game
• 4:09
  and
• 4:09
  he
• 4:09
  wound
• 4:10
  up
• 4:10
  going
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  to
• 4:10
  the
• 4:10
  hall
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  Fame
• 4:11
  and
• 4:11
  he
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  was
• 4:12
  the
• 4:12
  All
• 4:13
  Star
• 4:13
  second
• 4:13
  basement
• 4:14
  of
• 4:14
  the
• 4:14
  White
• 4:14
  Sox
• 4:15
  for
• 4:16
  over
• 4:16
  10
• 4:17
  years.
• 4:17
  And
• 4:17
  so
• 4:18
  because
• 4:18
  of
• 4:18
  Nelly
• 4:19
  Fox,
• 4:19
  I
• 4:19
  became
• 4:20
  a
• 4:20
  White
• 4:20
  Sox
• 4:20
  fan.
• 4:21
  Ah,
• 4:21
  I
• 4:22
  get
• 4:22
  it.
• 4:22
  Okay.
• 4:23
  Nelson
• 4:24
  Fox,
• 4:24
  folks.
• 4:24
  I
• 4:25
  had
• 4:25
  a
• 4:25
  Nelson
• 4:25
  Fox
• 4:26
  bat
• 4:26
  when
• 4:26
  I
• 4:26
  was
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  a
• 4:27
  kid.
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  The
• 4:29
  big
• 4:29
  bottle
• 4:29
  handle
• 4:30
  bat.
• 4:30
  Right.
• 4:30
  I
• 4:31
  have
• 4:31
  one
• 4:31
  too.
• 4:31
  No
• 4:32
  handle,
• 4:32
  just,
• 4:33
  just
• 4:33
  straight
• 4:34
  down,
• 4:34
  sort
• 4:35
  of
• 4:35
  like.
• 4:36
  Who
• 4:36
  uses
• 4:37
  one
• 4:37
  of
• 4:37
  those?
• 4:38
  I
• 4:38
  can't
• 4:38
  think
• 4:38
  of
• 4:38
  an
• 4:39
  example
• 4:39
  now,
• 4:40
  but
• 4:40
  you'd
• 4:40
  know
• 4:40
  the
• 4:40
  handle
• 4:41
  if
• 4:41
  you've
• 4:41
  seen
• 4:41
  it
• 4:42
  folks.
• 4:42
  And
• 4:42
  that's
• 4:43
  the,
• 4:43
  the
• 4:43
  bat
• 4:43
  that
• 4:44
  Nellie
• 4:44
  Fox,
• 4:45
  as
• 4:45
  Bill
• 4:45
  says,
• 4:45
  a
• 4:46
  self
• 4:46
  made
• 4:46
  ball
• 4:47
  player,
• 4:48
  second
• 4:48
  baseman
• 4:49
  for
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  the
• 4:49
  Chicago
• 4:49
  White
• 4:50
  Sox.
• 4:50
  Now
• 4:50
  funny
• 4:51
  Bill,
• 4:51
  on
• 4:52
  tonight's
• 4:52
  show,
• 4:53
  both
• 4:54
  of
• 4:54
  our
• 4:54
  books
• 4:55
  that
• 4:55
  we're
• 4:55
  talking
• 4:55
  about
• 4:56
  mention
• 4:56
  scandals
• 4:57
  in
• 4:57
  baseball
• 4:57
  and
• 4:58
  later
• 4:59
  on
• 4:59
  we'll
• 4:59
  be
• 4:59
  talking
• 5:00
  about
• 5:00
  the
• 5:00
  scandals
• 5:00
  of
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  dead
• 5:01
  ball
• 5:01
  era.
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  Give
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  us
• 5:03
  an
• 5:03
  example
• 5:03
  of
• 5:04
  some
• 5:04
  of
• 5:04
  the
• 5:04
  scandals
• 5:05
  in
• 5:05
  your
• 5:05
  book.
• 5:07
  Well,
• 5:08
  I
• 5:08
  mentioned
• 5:09
  all
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  the
• 5:09
  scandals
• 5:10
  throughout
• 5:11
  baseball,
• 5:11
  starting
• 5:11
  with
• 5:11
  the
• 5:12
  Black
• 5:12
  sox
• 5:12
  scandal
• 5:13
  in
• 5:14
  1919
• 5:14
  when
• 5:15
  they,
• 5:15
  you
• 5:15
  know,
• 5:15
  fixed
• 5:16
  the
• 5:16
  World
• 5:16
  Series.
• 5:16
  And
• 5:17
  then
• 5:17
  it
• 5:17
  was
• 5:18
  the
• 5:18
  scandal
• 5:18
  with
• 5:18
  the,
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  Pittsburgh
• 5:20
  drug
• 5:20
  scandals
• 5:21
  in
• 5:21
  the
• 5:21
  70s
• 5:22
  and
• 5:23
  of
• 5:23
  course
• 5:23
  the
• 5:23
  steroid
• 5:24
  scandal.
• 5:25
  And
• 5:29
  I
• 5:29
  talk
• 5:29
  about
• 5:29
  all
• 5:30
  of
• 5:30
  them
• 5:30
  in
• 5:30
  my
• 5:30
  book
• 5:31
  in
• 5:31
  regard
• 5:32
  to
• 5:32
  how
• 5:33
  I
• 5:33
  say
• 5:34
  that
• 5:34
  baseball,
• 5:35
  if
• 5:36
  it's
• 5:36
  not
• 5:36
  the
• 5:36
  greatest
• 5:37
  game
• 5:37
  of
• 5:37
  all
• 5:37
  time,
• 5:38
  and
• 5:38
  it's
• 5:38
  certainly
• 5:38
  been
• 5:38
  the
• 5:39
  most
• 5:39
  resilient
• 5:39
  game
• 5:40
  of
• 5:40
  all
• 5:40
  time
• 5:40
  to
• 5:41
  have
• 5:41
  survived
• 5:41
  all
• 5:42
  of
• 5:42
  that.
• 5:43
  And
• 5:44
  these
• 5:44
  were
• 5:44
  major
• 5:44
  scandals.
• 5:45
  I
• 5:45
  mean
• 5:46
  the
• 5:46
  steroid
• 5:47
  scandal
• 5:47
  in
• 5:47
  my
• 5:47
  opinion
• 5:48
  was
• 5:48
  the
• 5:48
  worst
• 5:48
  of
• 5:49
  all
• 5:49
  because
• 5:50
  that's
• 5:50
  the
• 5:50
  one
• 5:50
  that
• 5:51
  affected
• 5:51
  the
• 5:51
  records,
• 5:52
  right?
• 5:53
  Definitely.
• 5:53
  That
• 5:54
  is
• 5:54
  for
• 5:54
  sure,
• 5:55
  all
• 5:55
  major
• 5:56
  scandals.
• 5:56
  And
• 5:57
  baseball
• 5:58
  as
• 5:58
  you
• 5:58
  say,
• 5:58
  resilient
• 6:00
  the
• 6:00
  one
• 6:00
  that
• 6:00
  marked
• 6:00
  the
• 6:01
  time,
• 6:01
  as
• 6:01
  James
• 6:01
  Earl
• 6:02
  Jones
• 6:02
  says
• 6:02
  in
• 6:03
  Field
• 6:03
  of
• 6:03
  Dreams,
• 6:04
  is
• 6:04
  baseball.
• 6:05
  Now,
• 6:06
  also
• 6:06
  you
• 6:06
  mentioned,
• 6:06
  Bill,
• 6:07
  Yankees,
• 6:07
  who
• 6:08
  you
• 6:08
  covered
• 6:09
  typewriter
• 6:10
  scandals
• 6:10
  in
• 6:10
  Cooperstown.
• 6:12
  Invariably,
• 6:13
  Bill,
• 6:13
  I
• 6:13
  think
• 6:14
  when
• 6:14
  you're
• 6:14
  discussing
• 6:14
  your
• 6:15
  book
• 6:16
  with
• 6:17
  my
• 6:17
  audience,
• 6:17
  with
• 6:18
  any
• 6:18
  audience,
• 6:19
  you're
• 6:19
  going
• 6:19
  to
• 6:19
  meet
• 6:20
  a
• 6:20
  younger
• 6:20
  person
• 6:20
  who
• 6:21
  does
• 6:21
  not
• 6:21
  know
• 6:22
  what
• 6:22
  a
• 6:22
  typewriter
• 6:23
  is.
• 6:24
  Right.
• 6:26
  Well,
• 6:27
  as
• 6:28
  Triumph
• 6:28
  is
• 6:29
  promoting
• 6:29
  this
• 6:29
  book
• 6:30
  as
• 6:30
  an
• 6:31
  inside
• 6:31
  history
• 6:32
  of
• 6:32
  baseball
• 6:33
  by
• 6:34
  the
• 6:34
  guy
• 6:34
  who
• 6:34
  was
• 6:34
  right
• 6:35
  in
• 6:35
  the
• 6:35
  middle
• 6:35
  of
• 6:35
  it,
• 6:36
  that
• 6:36
  would
• 6:36
  be
• 6:37
  me.
• 6:38
  And
• 6:38
  the
• 6:38
  typewriter's
• 6:39
  part
• 6:39
  of
• 6:39
  it
• 6:39
  is,
• 6:40
  when
• 6:40
  I
• 6:41
  was
• 6:41
  a
• 6:41
  kid,
• 6:42
  I
• 6:43
  was
• 6:43
  weaned
• 6:44
  by
• 6:44
  my
• 6:44
  father
• 6:45
  on
• 6:46
  newspapers
• 6:46
  and
• 6:47
  baseball.
• 6:48
  And
• 6:49
  we
• 6:50
  back
• 6:50
  in
• 6:50
  those
• 6:50
  days,
• 6:52
  New
• 6:53
  York
• 6:53
  had
• 6:53
  seven
• 6:54
  major
• 6:55
  newspapers.
• 6:55
  @
• 6:55
  the
• 6:56
  time,
• 6:56
  we
• 6:56
  had
• 6:57
  the
• 6:57
  New
• 6:57
  York
• 6:57
  Herald
• 6:57
  Tribune
• 6:58
  delivered
• 6:58
  to
• 6:58
  our
• 6:59
  house
• 6:59
  in
• 6:59
  the
• 6:59
  mornings,
• 7:00
  and
• 7:01
  there
• 7:01
  was
• 7:01
  the
• 7:02
  Daily
• 7:02
  News,
• 7:02
  there
• 7:03
  was
• 7:03
  a
• 7:03
  Daily
• 7:03
  Mirror,
• 7:04
  and
• 7:04
  then
• 7:04
  the
• 7:04
  afternoon
• 7:04
  papers
• 7:05
  were
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  Post,
• 7:06
  the
• 7:07
  Herald
• 7:07
  tribute,
• 7:07
  I
• 7:07
  mean,
• 7:08
  the
• 7:08
  World
• 7:08
  Telegram
• 7:09
  and
• 7:09
  Son
• 7:10
  and
• 7:10
  the
• 7:11
  Journal
• 7:11
  American.
• 7:12
  So
• 7:13
  I
• 7:14
  voraciously
• 7:15
  read
• 7:16
  all
• 7:16
  of
• 7:16
  those
• 7:16
  newspapers,
• 7:17
  mainly
• 7:18
  for
• 7:18
  baseball.
• 7:19
  And
• 7:20
  then
• 7:21
  I
• 7:21
  wound
• 7:21
  up
• 7:22
  being
• 7:22
  in
• 7:22
  the
• 7:23
  newspaper
• 7:23
  business
• 7:24
  myself.
• 7:24
  And
• 7:25
  it's
• 7:25
  also,
• 7:26
  in
• 7:26
  addition
• 7:26
  to
• 7:27
  being,
• 7:27
  as
• 7:28
  they
• 7:28
  say,
• 7:28
  an
• 7:28
  inside
• 7:29
  history
• 7:29
  of
• 7:29
  baseball
• 7:29
  over
• 7:30
  the
• 7:30
  last
• 7:30
  50
• 7:30
  years,
• 7:31
  it's
• 7:31
  also
• 7:32
  kind
• 7:32
  of
• 7:32
  a
• 7:32
  history
• 7:32
  of
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  newspaper
• 7:33
  business
• 7:34
  and.
• 7:34
  And
• 7:34
  what
• 7:35
  it
• 7:35
  was
• 7:35
  like
• 7:36
  to
• 7:37
  be
• 7:37
  a
• 7:37
  baseball
• 7:37
  writer
• 7:39
  working
• 7:39
  for
• 7:40
  a
• 7:40
  newspaper
• 7:41
  at
• 7:41
  the
• 7:41
  height
• 7:42
  of
• 7:42
  the
• 7:42
  newspaper's
• 7:44
  popularity
• 7:45
  back
• 7:45
  in
• 7:46
  the
• 7:46
  80s.
• 7:49
  Somebody
• 7:49
  once
• 7:49
  asked
• 7:50
  me
• 7:50
  why
• 7:51
  I
• 7:51
  had
• 7:51
  a
• 7:51
  good
• 7:52
  relationship
• 7:52
  with
• 7:52
  George
• 7:53
  Steinbrenner.
• 7:54
  I
• 7:54
  tell
• 7:54
  a
• 7:54
  story
• 7:54
  in
• 7:55
  the
• 7:55
  book
• 7:55
  about
• 7:55
  how
• 7:57
  early
• 7:57
  on
• 7:58
  in
• 7:58
  my
• 7:58
  career
• 7:59
  covering
• 7:59
  the
• 7:59
  Yankees
• 8:00
  for
• 8:00
  the
• 8:00
  Daily
• 8:00
  News,
• 8:01
  Steinbrenner,
• 8:03
  I
• 8:04
  was
• 8:04
  having
• 8:05
  a
• 8:05
  conversation
• 8:05
  with
• 8:06
  him
• 8:06
  one
• 8:06
  day
• 8:06
  on
• 8:06
  the
• 8:06
  phone,
• 8:07
  and
• 8:07
  he
• 8:07
  said,
• 8:08
  in
• 8:08
  case
• 8:08
  you're
• 8:09
  wondering
• 8:09
  why
• 8:09
  I
• 8:09
  return
• 8:10
  your
• 8:10
  phone
• 8:10
  calls,
• 8:11
  it's
• 8:11
  because
• 8:12
  I
• 8:12
  feel
• 8:12
  like
• 8:13
  you've
• 8:13
  been
• 8:14
  very
• 8:14
  honest
• 8:14
  and
• 8:15
  you're
• 8:15
  balanced,
• 8:16
  unlike
• 8:17
  a
• 8:17
  lot
• 8:17
  of
• 8:17
  the
• 8:17
  other
• 8:17
  writers
• 8:18
  in
• 8:18
  New
• 8:18
  York.
• 8:18
  And
• 8:19
  that's
• 8:19
  why
• 8:19
  I
• 8:19
  return
• 8:20
  your
• 8:20
  phone
• 8:20
  calls.
• 8:20
  And
• 8:21
  I
• 8:21
  said
• 8:21
  to
• 8:21
  myself
• 8:21
  as
• 8:22
  I
• 8:22
  hung
• 8:22
  up
• 8:22
  with
• 8:22
  him,
• 8:23
  I
• 8:23
  said,
• 8:24
  george
• 8:25
  is
• 8:25
  no
• 8:25
  fool.
• 8:26
  He
• 8:26
  doesn't
• 8:26
  return
• 8:27
  my
• 8:27
  phone
• 8:27
  calls
• 8:27
  because
• 8:28
  he
• 8:28
  thinks
• 8:28
  I'm
• 8:28
  balanced.
• 8:29
  He
• 8:29
  returns
• 8:29
  my
• 8:30
  phone
• 8:30
  calls
• 8:30
  because
• 8:31
  the
• 8:31
  Daily
• 8:31
  News
• 8:32
  at
• 8:32
  that
• 8:32
  time
• 8:33
  had
• 8:33
  a
• 8:33
  circulation
• 8:34
  of
• 8:34
  2
• 8:34
  million
• 8:35
  readers,
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  largest
• 8:36
  circulation
• 8:36
  of
• 8:37
  any
• 8:37
  newspaper
• 8:37
  in
• 8:38
  the
• 8:38
  country.
• 8:38
  So
• 8:39
  George
• 8:39
  returned
• 8:39
  my
• 8:40
  phone
• 8:40
  calls
• 8:40
  because
• 8:40
  he
• 8:41
  knew
• 8:41
  he
• 8:41
  was
• 8:41
  going
• 8:41
  to
• 8:41
  get
• 8:42
  where
• 8:42
  he
• 8:42
  was
• 8:42
  going
• 8:43
  to
• 8:43
  get
• 8:43
  the
• 8:43
  most
• 8:43
  bank
• 8:44
  for
• 8:44
  his
• 8:44
  buck.
• 8:44
  The
• 8:45
  most
• 8:45
  ink,
• 8:45
  definitely
• 8:46
  from
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  Daily
• 8:46
  News.
• 8:47
  We're
• 8:47
  speaking
• 8:48
  with
• 8:48
  Bill
• 8:48
  Madden
• 8:48
  tonight
• 8:49
  on
• 8:49
  Sports
• 8:49
  Talk.
• 8:50
  New
• 8:50
  York
• 8:50
  got
• 8:50
  a
• 8:50
  new
• 8:51
  book
• 8:51
  out,
• 8:52
  his
• 8:52
  memoir,
• 8:53
  and
• 8:53
  we're
• 8:54
  discussing
• 8:54
  that
• 8:54
  with
• 8:55
  him
• 8:55
  now.
• 8:55
  Bill,
• 8:57
  are
• 8:57
  you
• 8:57
  still
• 8:57
  a
• 8:58
  member
• 8:58
  of
• 8:58
  the
• 8:58
  Baseball
• 8:58
  Writers
• 8:59
  association
• 9:00
  of
• 9:00
  America.
• 9:02
  Oh,
• 9:02
  yeah,
• 9:02
  I'm
• 9:02
  still
• 9:03
  running
• 9:03
  for
• 9:03
  the
• 9:03
  News.
• 9:03
  I
• 9:03
  have
• 9:04
  a
• 9:04
  column
• 9:04
  a
• 9:04
  week
• 9:04
  for
• 9:04
  the
• 9:05
  News
• 9:05
  every
• 9:05
  Sunday.
• 9:07
  And
• 9:08
  I
• 9:09
  still
• 9:09
  have
• 9:09
  a
• 9:09
  Hall
• 9:09
  of
• 9:09
  Fame
• 9:10
  vote.
• 9:10
  Well,
• 9:11
  as
• 9:11
  a
• 9:11
  Spink
• 9:11
  Award
• 9:12
  winner,
• 9:12
  I
• 9:13
  have
• 9:13
  a
• 9:13
  lifetime
• 9:13
  vote
• 9:15
  as
• 9:15
  long
• 9:16
  as
• 9:16
  I
• 9:16
  want
• 9:16
  to
• 9:16
  vote.
• 9:18
  Yeah.
• 9:19
  I
• 9:19
  wanted
• 9:19
  to
• 9:20
  ask
• 9:20
  you.
• 9:21
  You
• 9:21
  were
• 9:21
  part
• 9:22
  of
• 9:22
  the
• 9:22
  Historical
• 9:23
  Overview
• 9:23
  Committee
• 9:24
  who
• 9:25
  helped
• 9:25
  select
• 9:25
  candidates
• 9:27
  for.
• 9:27
  For
• 9:27
  the
• 9:27
  ballots
• 9:28
  presented
• 9:29
  to
• 9:29
  the
• 9:29
  Veterans
• 9:30
  Committee.
• 9:30
  Who
• 9:30
  are
• 9:31
  some
• 9:31
  of
• 9:31
  the
• 9:31
  players
• 9:31
  that
• 9:32
  you've
• 9:33
  championed
• 9:34
  their
• 9:34
  cause
• 9:34
  and
• 9:34
  helped
• 9:35
  get
• 9:35
  in
• 9:36
  the
• 9:36
  hallowed
• 9:37
  portals
• 9:37
  of
• 9:37
  the
• 9:37
  hall
• 9:38
  of
• 9:38
  Fame?
• 9:39
  Well,
• 9:40
  I'm
• 9:40
  trying
• 9:40
  to
• 9:40
  remember
• 9:41
  now
• 9:43
  because
• 9:43
  most
• 9:44
  of
• 9:44
  the
• 9:44
  players,
• 9:45
  obviously,
• 9:46
  all
• 9:46
  the
• 9:46
  players
• 9:47
  that
• 9:47
  we
• 9:47
  had
• 9:47
  to
• 9:47
  consider
• 9:48
  for
• 9:48
  those
• 9:48
  ballots
• 9:49
  were
• 9:49
  players
• 9:49
  that
• 9:50
  the
• 9:50
  baseball
• 9:50
  writers
• 9:51
  themselves
• 9:51
  had
• 9:52
  rejected
• 9:53
  in
• 9:53
  15
• 9:54
  years
• 9:54
  on
• 9:54
  our
• 9:54
  ballot.
• 9:56
  So
• 9:56
  there
• 9:57
  were
• 9:57
  probably
• 9:57
  players
• 9:58
  that
• 9:58
  I
• 9:58
  didn't
• 9:58
  vote
• 9:58
  for
• 10:00
  as
• 10:00
  a
• 10:01
  baseball
• 10:01
  runner.
• 10:01
  But
• 10:02
  you
• 10:02
  can't.
• 10:03
  As
• 10:03
  a
• 10:03
  member
• 10:03
  of
• 10:03
  that
• 10:04
  committee,
• 10:04
  you
• 10:04
  can't
• 10:05
  put
• 10:06
  that
• 10:06
  hat
• 10:06
  on.
• 10:07
  You
• 10:07
  gotta.
• 10:08
  You
• 10:08
  gotta
• 10:09
  evaluate
• 10:10
  these
• 10:10
  players
• 10:10
  in
• 10:11
  a
• 10:11
  whole
• 10:11
  new,
• 10:11
  you
• 10:12
  know,
• 10:12
  starting
• 10:13
  all
• 10:13
  over
• 10:13
  again.
• 10:14
  Right.
• 10:14
  And
• 10:16
  I'm
• 10:16
  trying
• 10:16
  to
• 10:17
  think
• 10:17
  of
• 10:17
  some
• 10:17
  of.
• 10:18
  Well,
• 10:19
  you
• 10:19
  know,
• 10:19
  we
• 10:20
  also
• 10:20
  dealt
• 10:21
  with
• 10:21
  managers
• 10:22
  and
• 10:22
  umpires
• 10:22
  as
• 10:23
  well.
• 10:23
  Right.
• 10:24
  One
• 10:25
  of
• 10:25
  the
• 10:25
  managers
• 10:26
  we
• 10:26
  put
• 10:26
  in
• 10:26
  was
• 10:27
  Whitey
• 10:27
  Herzog.
• 10:28
  We
• 10:28
  put
• 10:28
  on
• 10:28
  the
• 10:28
  ballot,
• 10:29
  and
• 10:29
  Whitey
• 10:29
  wound
• 10:30
  up
• 10:30
  getting
• 10:30
  elected
• 10:30
  to
• 10:31
  the
• 10:31
  hall
• 10:31
  of
• 10:31
  Fame
• 10:31
  the
• 10:31
  same
• 10:32
  year
• 10:32
  that
• 10:33
  I
• 10:33
  won
• 10:33
  the
• 10:33
  Spink
• 10:34
  Award.
• 10:34
  So
• 10:34
  he
• 10:35
  was.
• 10:35
  I
• 10:35
  was
• 10:35
  part
• 10:36
  of
• 10:36
  his
• 10:36
  class.
• 10:37
  And
• 10:39
  I
• 10:39
  remember
• 10:40
  something
• 10:40
  that.
• 10:41
  Well,
• 10:41
  Ozzie
• 10:42
  Smith
• 10:42
  was
• 10:43
  on
• 10:43
  that
• 10:44
  committee
• 10:45
  that
• 10:45
  was
• 10:45
  on
• 10:45
  that
• 10:46
  committee,
• 10:46
  Veterans
• 10:46
  Committee
• 10:47
  that
• 10:47
  voted
• 10:49
  Whitey
• 10:49
  in.
• 10:50
  And
• 10:50
  he
• 10:50
  was
• 10:51
  a
• 10:51
  huge.
• 10:52
  Obviously,
• 10:52
  he
• 10:52
  played
• 10:53
  for
• 10:53
  Whitey,
• 10:53
  and
• 10:54
  he
• 10:54
  was
• 10:54
  a
• 10:54
  huge
• 10:54
  proponent
• 10:55
  of
• 10:55
  it.
• 10:56
  And
• 10:56
  Ozzy
• 10:57
  later
• 10:57
  found
• 10:58
  out
• 10:58
  that
• 10:59
  Whitey
• 10:59
  was
• 10:59
  his
• 11:00
  biggest
• 11:00
  supporter
• 11:00
  in
• 11:01
  that
• 11:01
  room
• 11:02
  and
• 11:02
  said
• 11:02
  glowing
• 11:03
  things
• 11:03
  about
• 11:03
  him.
• 11:04
  And
• 11:04
  he.
• 11:05
  To
• 11:05
  his
• 11:06
  dying
• 11:06
  day,
• 11:06
  he
• 11:06
  said,
• 11:07
  whitey
• 11:07
  Herzog
• 11:08
  is
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  reason
• 11:08
  I'm
• 11:08
  in
• 11:09
  the
• 11:09
  hall
• 11:09
  of
• 11:09
  Fame,
• 11:09
  because.
• 11:10
  And
• 11:10
  I've
• 11:10
  always
• 11:11
  told
• 11:11
  people,
• 11:12
  as
• 11:13
  far
• 11:13
  as
• 11:13
  that
• 11:13
  Veterans
• 11:14
  Committee
• 11:14
  vote
• 11:14
  goes,
• 11:15
  I
• 11:15
  mean,
• 11:16
  we
• 11:16
  would
• 11:16
  put
• 11:16
  you
• 11:17
  on
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  ballot,
• 11:17
  but
• 11:17
  I
• 11:18
  would
• 11:18
  tell
• 11:18
  people,
• 11:19
  you
• 11:19
  got
• 11:19
  to
• 11:20
  have
• 11:20
  a
• 11:20
  champion
• 11:20
  in
• 11:20
  that
• 11:21
  room
• 11:21
  if
• 11:21
  you
• 11:22
  want
• 11:22
  to
• 11:22
  be
• 11:22
  elected,
• 11:22
  you
• 11:23
  got
• 11:23
  to
• 11:23
  have
• 11:23
  a
• 11:23
  champion
• 11:23
  in
• 11:24
  that
• 11:24
  room,
• 11:27
  as
• 11:27
  was
• 11:28
  proven
• 11:29
  a
• 11:29
  few
• 11:29
  years
• 11:29
  ago
• 11:29
  when
• 11:30
  Harold
• 11:30
  Baines
• 11:30
  got
• 11:31
  elected
• 11:31
  and
• 11:32
  he
• 11:32
  had
• 11:32
  Jerry
• 11:33
  Reinsdorf
• 11:34
  and
• 11:34
  Tony
• 11:34
  La
• 11:34
  Russa,
• 11:35
  the
• 11:35
  owner
• 11:36
  who
• 11:36
  got
• 11:36
  him
• 11:36
  to
• 11:37
  the
• 11:37
  White
• 11:37
  Sox,
• 11:37
  and
• 11:38
  the
• 11:38
  manager
• 11:38
  who
• 11:38
  managed
• 11:39
  it
• 11:39
  for
• 11:39
  the
• 11:39
  White
• 11:39
  Sox.
• 11:40
  And
• 11:40
  they
• 11:40
  were
• 11:40
  both
• 11:40
  on
• 11:41
  that
• 11:41
  committee
• 11:41
  and
• 11:41
  they
• 11:43
  were
• 11:43
  able
• 11:44
  to
• 11:44
  sway
• 11:44
  everybody
• 11:45
  else
• 11:45
  on
• 11:45
  that
• 11:45
  committee.
• 11:46
  A
• 11:46
  lot
• 11:46
  of
• 11:46
  people.
• 11:48
  A
• 11:48
  lot
• 11:48
  of
• 11:49
  people
• 11:49
  are
• 11:50
  skeptical
• 11:51
  as
• 11:51
  to
• 11:51
  whether
• 11:52
  Harold
• 11:53
  Baines
• 11:53
  is
• 11:54
  a
• 11:54
  true
• 11:54
  hall
• 11:55
  of
• 11:55
  Famer
• 11:55
  or
• 11:55
  not.
• 11:55
  He
• 11:56
  did
• 11:56
  have,
• 11:56
  like,
• 11:56
  2700
• 11:57
  hits.
• 11:57
  So
• 11:59
  but
• 11:59
  anyway,
• 12:00
  that's
• 12:00
  kind
• 12:00
  of
• 12:01
  like
• 12:01
  the
• 12:01
  background
• 12:01
  on
• 12:02
  all
• 12:02
  that.
• 12:02
  Another
• 12:03
  guy,
• 12:03
  Bill,
• 12:03
  that
• 12:03
  comes
• 12:04
  to
• 12:04
  mind
• 12:04
  is
• 12:04
  Mazerosky.
• 12:06
  With
• 12:06
  Joe
• 12:07
  Brown
• 12:08
  on
• 12:08
  the
• 12:08
  committee,
• 12:09
  champion
• 12:10
  Bill
• 12:10
  Mazeroski.
• 12:12
  I
• 12:12
  feel
• 12:12
  bad
• 12:12
  for
• 12:13
  Bill
• 12:13
  Mazeroski
• 12:14
  because
• 12:14
  he
• 12:15
  really
• 12:15
  gets
• 12:15
  taken
• 12:15
  apart
• 12:16
  by
• 12:16
  a
• 12:16
  lot
• 12:16
  of
• 12:16
  people
• 12:17
  questioning
• 12:17
  his
• 12:18
  worthiness
• 12:19
  for
• 12:19
  the
• 12:19
  hall
• 12:20
  of
• 12:20
  Fame.
• 12:20
  But
• 12:20
  there's
• 12:21
  an
• 12:21
  example
• 12:21
  of
• 12:21
  what
• 12:21
  Bill
• 12:22
  Madden's
• 12:22
  talking
• 12:22
  about,
• 12:23
  folks.
• 12:23
  You
• 12:23
  need
• 12:23
  somebody
• 12:24
  who's
• 12:25
  your
• 12:25
  boy
• 12:26
  basically
• 12:26
  on
• 12:27
  the
• 12:27
  committee
• 12:28
  to
• 12:28
  get
• 12:28
  in.
• 12:29
  Now,
• 12:30
  before
• 12:30
  you
• 12:30
  worked
• 12:30
  for
• 12:30
  the
• 12:31
  Daily
• 12:31
  News,
• 12:31
  Bill,
• 12:31
  you
• 12:32
  worked
• 12:32
  for
• 12:32
  United
• 12:32
  Press
• 12:33
  International,
• 12:34
  and
• 12:34
  people,
• 12:35
  the
• 12:35
  older
• 12:35
  folks
• 12:36
  who
• 12:36
  remember
• 12:36
  those
• 12:37
  machines
• 12:38
  ticking
• 12:38
  off
• 12:39
  the
• 12:39
  stories,
• 12:40
  coming
• 12:40
  across
• 12:40
  the
• 12:41
  wire
• 12:42
  constantly.
• 12:43
  Now,
• 12:44
  the,
• 12:44
  the
• 12:44
  first
• 12:44
  contact
• 12:45
  you
• 12:45
  had
• 12:45
  with
• 12:46
  the
• 12:46
  Major,
• 12:47
  Ralph
• 12:48
  Hauck,
• 12:48
  when
• 12:48
  you
• 12:48
  were
• 12:49
  covering
• 12:49
  the
• 12:49
  Yankees,
• 12:50
  tell
• 12:50
  us
• 12:50
  about
• 12:51
  that
• 12:51
  encounter.
• 12:52
  Bill?
• 12:53
  Yeah,
• 12:53
  this
• 12:53
  was
• 12:54
  in
• 12:54
  1973.
• 12:55
  I
• 12:55
  was,
• 12:56
  I
• 12:56
  was
• 12:56
  a
• 12:56
  rookie
• 12:57
  writer
• 12:57
  at
• 12:57
  the
• 12:57
  time.
• 12:58
  Well,
• 12:58
  I
• 12:58
  I've
• 12:58
  been
• 12:59
  with
• 12:59
  UPI
• 12:59
  for
• 13:00
  three
• 13:00
  years,
• 13:00
  but
• 13:00
  it
• 13:00
  was
• 13:01
  the
• 13:01
  first
• 13:01
  time
• 13:01
  they
• 13:01
  sent
• 13:02
  me
• 13:02
  up
• 13:02
  to
• 13:02
  Yankee
• 13:02
  Stadium
• 13:03
  to
• 13:03
  come
• 13:03
  the
• 13:04
  Yankees,
• 13:04
  a
• 13:04
  Yankee
• 13:05
  game.
• 13:05
  Halk
• 13:06
  was
• 13:06
  the
• 13:06
  manager,
• 13:07
  and
• 13:08
  there
• 13:08
  was
• 13:08
  a
• 13:08
  big
• 13:08
  scrum
• 13:09
  of
• 13:09
  riders
• 13:09
  in
• 13:09
  the
• 13:10
  dugout
• 13:10
  before
• 13:10
  the
• 13:11
  game,
• 13:11
  and
• 13:11
  Halk
• 13:11
  was
• 13:12
  regaling
• 13:13
  them
• 13:13
  with
• 13:13
  stories
• 13:14
  and
• 13:14
  whatever,
• 13:15
  and
• 13:16
  he
• 13:17
  looked
• 13:17
  at
• 13:17
  me
• 13:17
  at
• 13:17
  one
• 13:18
  point
• 13:18
  and
• 13:18
  spit
• 13:19
  a
• 13:19
  big
• 13:20
  wad
• 13:20
  of
• 13:20
  tobacco
• 13:21
  juice
• 13:21
  all
• 13:21
  over
• 13:22
  my
• 13:22
  new
• 13:22
  sneakers.
• 13:23
  Nice.
• 13:24
  And
• 13:24
  I
• 13:25
  was,
• 13:26
  needless
• 13:26
  to
• 13:27
  say,
• 13:27
  I
• 13:27
  was
• 13:27
  not
• 13:27
  happy
• 13:28
  with
• 13:28
  that.
• 13:28
  But
• 13:28
  I
• 13:29
  didn't
• 13:29
  say
• 13:29
  anything.
• 13:30
  And
• 13:31
  later
• 13:31
  on,
• 13:31
  Phil
• 13:32
  Pepe,
• 13:32
  who
• 13:32
  was
• 13:33
  the
• 13:33
  Yankees
• 13:33
  beat
• 13:33
  writer
• 13:34
  for
• 13:34
  the
• 13:34
  Daily
• 13:34
  News,
• 13:35
  called
• 13:35
  me
• 13:36
  aside
• 13:36
  and
• 13:36
  he
• 13:37
  said,
• 13:37
  don't
• 13:38
  be
• 13:38
  offended
• 13:38
  by
• 13:38
  Ralph.
• 13:39
  That's
• 13:39
  his
• 13:39
  way
• 13:40
  of
• 13:40
  saying
• 13:41
  he's
• 13:42
  accepting
• 13:42
  you
• 13:42
  to
• 13:43
  the
• 13:43
  club.
• 13:44
  I
• 13:45
  looked
• 13:45
  at
• 13:45
  Phil
• 13:45
  and
• 13:45
  I
• 13:45
  said,
• 13:46
  well,
• 13:46
  that's
• 13:46
  a
• 13:46
  hell
• 13:46
  of
• 13:46
  a
• 13:46
  way
• 13:47
  to.
• 13:47
  I
• 13:48
  said,
• 13:48
  I
• 13:49
  guess
• 13:49
  whatever.
• 13:50
  I
• 13:50
  said,
• 13:50
  if
• 13:50
  that's
• 13:51
  his
• 13:51
  way,
• 13:51
  that's
• 13:51
  his
• 13:52
  way.
• 13:52
  But
• 13:53
  I
• 13:53
  was
• 13:54
  never
• 13:54
  too
• 13:54
  fond
• 13:54
  of
• 13:55
  Ralph
• 13:55
  Hawken
• 13:56
  from
• 13:56
  that
• 13:56
  day
• 13:56
  on
• 13:57
  until
• 13:57
  I
• 13:57
  did
• 13:58
  my
• 13:58
  book,
• 13:58
  Pride
• 13:58
  of
• 13:58
  October.
• 14:00
  And
• 14:01
  that
• 14:01
  was
• 14:02
  a
• 14:02
  book
• 14:02
  for
• 14:03
  the
• 14:03
  100th
• 14:03
  anniversary
• 14:04
  of
• 14:04
  the
• 14:04
  Yankees
• 14:05
  back
• 14:05
  in
• 14:06
  2000,
• 14:08
  in
• 14:08
  2003.
• 14:11
  And
• 14:12
  I
• 14:12
  went
• 14:13
  around
• 14:13
  the
• 14:13
  country
• 14:13
  and
• 14:14
  interviewed
• 14:14
  18
• 14:14
  former
• 14:15
  Yankees
• 14:16
  for
• 14:16
  this
• 14:16
  book.
• 14:17
  I
• 14:17
  wanted
• 14:18
  to
• 14:18
  tell
• 14:18
  the
• 14:18
  history
• 14:18
  of
• 14:19
  the
• 14:19
  Yankees
• 14:20
  in
• 14:20
  the
• 14:20
  eyes
• 14:21
  of
• 14:21
  the
• 14:21
  players
• 14:22
  who
• 14:22
  made
• 14:22
  that
• 14:22
  history
• 14:23
  instead
• 14:23
  of
• 14:24
  just
• 14:24
  writing
• 14:24
  a
• 14:24
  narrative.
• 14:25
  And
• 14:26
  Halck
• 14:26
  was
• 14:26
  one
• 14:26
  of
• 14:26
  my
• 14:27
  subjects
• 14:27
  when
• 14:27
  I
• 14:27
  went
• 14:27
  down
• 14:28
  and
• 14:28
  visited
• 14:29
  him
• 14:29
  in
• 14:29
  Florida.
• 14:30
  And
• 14:30
  even
• 14:31
  to
• 14:31
  this
• 14:31
  day,
• 14:32
  to
• 14:32
  that
• 14:32
  day,
• 14:33
  some
• 14:34
  35
• 14:35
  years
• 14:35
  later,
• 14:36
  I
• 14:36
  was
• 14:36
  still
• 14:36
  intimidated
• 14:37
  by
• 14:37
  him
• 14:38
  when
• 14:38
  I
• 14:38
  went
• 14:38
  into
• 14:39
  his
• 14:39
  house
• 14:40
  and
• 14:40
  interviewed
• 14:40
  him.
• 14:41
  But
• 14:41
  it
• 14:41
  turned
• 14:41
  out
• 14:42
  he
• 14:42
  was
• 14:42
  a
• 14:42
  pussycat.
• 14:44
  I
• 14:44
  titled
• 14:45
  the
• 14:45
  chapter
• 14:46
  on
• 14:46
  him
• 14:48
  the
• 14:48
  Major
• 14:48
  in
• 14:49
  Winter,
• 14:49
  because,
• 14:50
  you
• 14:50
  know,
• 14:50
  he
• 14:50
  was
• 14:50
  a
• 14:51
  decorated
• 14:51
  major
• 14:52
  In
• 14:52
  World
• 14:52
  War
• 14:52
  II,
• 14:53
  the
• 14:54
  boats
• 14:54
  and
• 14:54
  everything.
• 14:56
  But,
• 14:57
  you
• 14:57
  know,
• 14:57
  I
• 14:58
  was
• 14:58
  straightforward
• 14:59
  with
• 14:59
  him
• 15:00
  because
• 15:00
  he
• 15:00
  was
• 15:00
  notorious
• 15:01
  for
• 15:02
  beating
• 15:03
  up
• 15:03
  on
• 15:03
  writers.
• 15:04
  He
• 15:04
  had
• 15:04
  a
• 15:04
  couple
• 15:04
  of
• 15:05
  things
• 15:05
  with
• 15:06
  a
• 15:06
  couple
• 15:06
  of
• 15:06
  major
• 15:07
  things
• 15:07
  with
• 15:07
  writers
• 15:08
  in
• 15:08
  which
• 15:08
  he
• 15:08
  got
• 15:09
  physical
• 15:09
  with
• 15:09
  him.
• 15:10
  And
• 15:10
  I
• 15:11
  asked
• 15:11
  him
• 15:11
  point
• 15:11
  blank
• 15:12
  about
• 15:12
  them
• 15:12
  and
• 15:13
  he
• 15:13
  kind
• 15:13
  of
• 15:14
  said,
• 15:14
  well,
• 15:14
  you
• 15:14
  know,
• 15:14
  I
• 15:15
  probably
• 15:15
  shouldn't
• 15:15
  have
• 15:15
  done
• 15:15
  that.
• 15:16
  But
• 15:16
  he,
• 15:16
  you
• 15:17
  know,
• 15:17
  he
• 15:17
  answered
• 15:18
  the
• 15:18
  questions
• 15:19
  forthrightly.
• 15:19
  And
• 15:19
  then
• 15:20
  at
• 15:20
  one
• 15:20
  point
• 15:21
  he
• 15:21
  said
• 15:22
  that
• 15:23
  he
• 15:24
  felt
• 15:25
  like
• 15:25
  maybe
• 15:26
  he
• 15:26
  didn't
• 15:26
  get
• 15:26
  his
• 15:27
  just
• 15:27
  due
• 15:27
  with
• 15:27
  the
• 15:27
  hall
• 15:28
  of
• 15:28
  Fame
• 15:28
  because
• 15:29
  he's
• 15:29
  still
• 15:29
  to
• 15:30
  this
• 15:30
  day
• 15:30
  the
• 15:30
  only
• 15:30
  manager
• 15:31
  in
• 15:31
  history
• 15:32
  to
• 15:32
  win
• 15:32
  world
• 15:33
  championships
• 15:33
  in
• 15:34
  his
• 15:34
  first
• 15:34
  two
• 15:34
  years
• 15:34
  as
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  manager,
• 15:36
  when
• 15:36
  he
• 15:36
  took
• 15:37
  over
• 15:37
  the
• 15:37
  Yankees
• 15:39
  in
• 15:40
  61
• 15:41
  and
• 15:41
  62.
• 15:44
  And
• 15:45
  I
• 15:45
  almost
• 15:46
  felt
• 15:46
  sorry
• 15:46
  for
• 15:47
  him.
• 15:47
  Well,
• 15:48
  I
• 15:48
  did
• 15:48
  feel
• 15:48
  sorry
• 15:49
  for
• 15:49
  him
• 15:49
  because
• 15:49
  he
• 15:49
  did
• 15:50
  have
• 15:50
  a
• 15:50
  good
• 15:50
  point,
• 15:50
  you
• 15:51
  know,
• 15:52
  but
• 15:53
  his
• 15:53
  problem
• 15:53
  was
• 15:54
  after
• 15:54
  he
• 15:54
  won
• 15:55
  those
• 15:55
  two
• 15:55
  championships,
• 15:56
  he
• 15:56
  went
• 15:57
  upstairs
• 15:57
  and
• 15:57
  made
• 15:58
  Yogi
• 15:58
  the
• 15:58
  manager
• 15:59
  and
• 15:59
  everything.
• 16:00
  You
• 16:00
  know,
• 16:01
  1964
• 16:02
  was.
• 16:02
  Yogi
• 16:03
  got
• 16:03
  all
• 16:03
  the
• 16:03
  way
• 16:04
  to
• 16:04
  the
• 16:04
  World
• 16:04
  Series
• 16:04
  and
• 16:04
  then
• 16:05
  they
• 16:05
  fired
• 16:05
  him
• 16:05
  anyway.
• 16:06
  And
• 16:07
  then
• 16:08
  Ralph
• 16:08
  came,
• 16:08
  they
• 16:09
  brought
• 16:09
  in
• 16:09
  Johnny
• 16:10
  Keane,
• 16:10
  who
• 16:10
  had
• 16:10
  managed
• 16:10
  the
• 16:11
  Cardinals
• 16:12
  to
• 16:13
  beat
• 16:13
  Yogi
• 16:14
  in
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  World
• 16:14
  Series.
• 16:15
  And
• 16:15
  that
• 16:15
  was
• 16:16
  at
• 16:16
  the
• 16:16
  same
• 16:16
  time
• 16:16
  the
• 16:17
  Yankee
• 16:17
  dynasty
• 16:18
  was
• 16:18
  totally
• 16:18
  in
• 16:19
  shambles.
• 16:20
  Mickey
• 16:20
  got
• 16:21
  old,
• 16:21
  Maris
• 16:22
  got
• 16:22
  old,
• 16:22
  Atwood
• 16:23
  got
• 16:23
  old.
• 16:24
  And
• 16:25
  it
• 16:25
  got
• 16:25
  so
• 16:25
  bad,
• 16:26
  after
• 16:26
  two
• 16:26
  years
• 16:26
  of
• 16:27
  Johnny
• 16:27
  Keane,
• 16:27
  that
• 16:27
  help
• 16:28
  came
• 16:28
  back
• 16:28
  downstairs.
• 16:29
  But
• 16:29
  by
• 16:29
  that
• 16:30
  time,
• 16:30
  the
• 16:31
  Yankees
• 16:31
  were
• 16:31
  a
• 16:32
  shell
• 16:32
  of
• 16:32
  the
• 16:32
  team
• 16:32
  that
• 16:32
  he
• 16:33
  had
• 16:33
  managed,
• 16:33
  the
• 16:33
  championships.
• 16:34
  And
• 16:34
  he
• 16:34
  never
• 16:35
  got
• 16:35
  back
• 16:35
  to
• 16:35
  the
• 16:35
  World
• 16:36
  Series
• 16:36
  again.
• 16:37
  No,
• 16:37
  he
• 16:37
  never
• 16:37
  did.
• 16:38
  Bill
• 16:39
  Madden's
• 16:40
  talking
• 16:40
  Yankees
• 16:41
  and
• 16:41
  baseball
• 16:42
  with
• 16:42
  us
• 16:42
  tonight
• 16:43
  on
• 16:43
  the
• 16:43
  program.
• 16:44
  I
• 16:44
  want
• 16:44
  to
• 16:45
  talk
• 16:45
  to
• 16:45
  you,
• 16:45
  Bill,
• 16:45
  about
• 16:46
  the
• 16:47
  meeting
• 16:48
  you
• 16:48
  had
• 16:48
  with
• 16:48
  Tom
• 16:48
  Seaver
• 16:49
  at
• 16:50
  Seaver
• 16:50
  Vineyards
• 16:51
  out
• 16:51
  in
• 16:51
  the
• 16:51
  Napa
• 16:52
  Valley.
• 16:53
  You
• 16:53
  wrote
• 16:54
  a
• 16:54
  book
• 16:54
  about
• 16:54
  that,
• 16:54
  and
• 16:55
  folks
• 16:55
  should
• 16:55
  check
• 16:55
  out
• 16:56
  that
• 16:56
  book
• 16:56
  by
• 16:56
  Bill
• 16:56
  Madden
• 16:57
  about
• 16:58
  Tom
• 16:58
  Seaver
• 16:59
  and
• 17:00
  talk
• 17:00
  a
• 17:00
  little
• 17:00
  bit
• 17:01
  about
• 17:01
  Tom
• 17:01
  for
• 17:01
  us,
• 17:02
  Bill.
• 17:03
  Yeah,
• 17:03
  well,
• 17:06
  there's
• 17:06
  a
• 17:06
  lot
• 17:06
  of
• 17:07
  Seaver
• 17:07
  in
• 17:07
  this
• 17:07
  book
• 17:08
  because
• 17:08
  we
• 17:09
  were
• 17:09
  friends.
• 17:11
  We
• 17:11
  became
• 17:12
  friends
• 17:13
  by
• 17:14
  rather
• 17:15
  strange
• 17:15
  circumstances.
• 17:16
  You
• 17:17
  may
• 17:17
  remember
• 17:19
  when
• 17:19
  the
• 17:19
  Mets
• 17:20
  left
• 17:20
  Tom
• 17:21
  Seaver
• 17:22
  unprotected
• 17:23
  in
• 17:23
  what
• 17:23
  they
• 17:23
  called
• 17:24
  the
• 17:24
  free
• 17:24
  agent
• 17:25
  compensation
• 17:25
  draft.
• 17:28
  And
• 17:29
  I
• 17:29
  was
• 17:29
  at
• 17:30
  my
• 17:30
  office
• 17:31
  the
• 17:32
  morning
• 17:32
  of
• 17:33
  the
• 17:33
  day
• 17:33
  before
• 17:34
  that
• 17:34
  draft
• 17:35
  came,
• 17:35
  came
• 17:35
  down,
• 17:36
  and
• 17:37
  I
• 17:37
  got
• 17:37
  a
• 17:38
  call
• 17:38
  from
• 17:38
  a
• 17:38
  friend
• 17:38
  of
• 17:38
  mine,
• 17:39
  a
• 17:39
  fellow
• 17:39
  White
• 17:39
  Sox
• 17:40
  fan,
• 17:40
  who
• 17:40
  said
• 17:41
  to
• 17:41
  me,
• 17:41
  are
• 17:41
  you.
• 17:42
  Are
• 17:42
  you
• 17:42
  going
• 17:42
  to
• 17:42
  be
• 17:42
  covering
• 17:43
  the
• 17:44
  draft
• 17:44
  tomorrow?
• 17:45
  And
• 17:45
  I
• 17:45
  said,
• 17:45
  no,
• 17:46
  I
• 17:46
  have
• 17:46
  no
• 17:46
  reason
• 17:46
  to
• 17:47
  cover.
• 17:47
  The
• 17:48
  Yankees
• 17:49
  didn't
• 17:49
  lose
• 17:49
  any
• 17:50
  players
• 17:50
  and
• 17:51
  neither
• 17:51
  did
• 17:51
  the
• 17:52
  Mets,
• 17:52
  so
• 17:53
  I
• 17:53
  don't
• 17:53
  think
• 17:53
  it's
• 17:54
  going
• 17:54
  to
• 17:54
  be
• 17:54
  a
• 17:54
  New
• 17:54
  York
• 17:54
  story.
• 17:55
  And
• 17:55
  he
• 17:56
  said
• 17:56
  to
• 17:56
  Me,
• 17:57
  I
• 17:58
  wouldn't
• 17:58
  be
• 17:58
  so
• 17:58
  sure,
• 17:59
  Bill.
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  think
• 17:59
  it's
• 17:59
  going
• 18:00
  to
• 18:00
  be
• 18:00
  not
• 18:00
  only
• 18:00
  a
• 18:00
  New
• 18:01
  York
• 18:01
  story,
• 18:01
  but
• 18:01
  a
• 18:01
  huge
• 18:02
  New
• 18:02
  York
• 18:02
  story.
• 18:03
  And
• 18:03
  I
• 18:03
  said,
• 18:03
  why?
• 18:04
  And
• 18:04
  he
• 18:05
  said,
• 18:05
  because
• 18:06
  I
• 18:06
  happen
• 18:07
  to
• 18:07
  know
• 18:07
  that
• 18:07
  the
• 18:07
  Mets
• 18:08
  have
• 18:08
  left
• 18:08
  Seaver
• 18:09
  unprotected
• 18:09
  in
• 18:10
  the
• 18:10
  draft.
• 18:11
  I
• 18:11
  said,
• 18:11
  really?
• 18:12
  How
• 18:12
  do
• 18:12
  you
• 18:13
  know
• 18:13
  that?
• 18:13
  And
• 18:14
  he
• 18:14
  said,
• 18:14
  well,
• 18:14
  I
• 18:14
  was
• 18:15
  talking
• 18:15
  to
• 18:16
  a
• 18:16
  guy
• 18:16
  I
• 18:16
  know
• 18:17
  in
• 18:17
  the
• 18:17
  commissioner's
• 18:17
  office
• 18:18
  who
• 18:18
  I
• 18:18
  work
• 18:18
  for,
• 18:19
  and
• 18:19
  he
• 18:19
  has
• 18:20
  the
• 18:20
  list
• 18:20
  of
• 18:20
  players.
• 18:21
  And
• 18:21
  he
• 18:22
  called
• 18:22
  me
• 18:22
  this
• 18:22
  morning
• 18:23
  and
• 18:23
  he
• 18:23
  said,
• 18:23
  you
• 18:24
  won't
• 18:24
  believe
• 18:24
  this.
• 18:24
  Seaver's
• 18:25
  been
• 18:25
  left
• 18:25
  unprotected.
• 18:27
  So
• 18:27
  I
• 18:27
  got
• 18:28
  this
• 18:28
  story
• 18:28
  exclusively.
• 18:30
  And
• 18:31
  in
• 18:32
  those
• 18:32
  days,
• 18:32
  this
• 18:33
  is
• 18:33
  long
• 18:33
  before
• 18:33
  Twitter
• 18:34
  and
• 18:34
  the
• 18:34
  Internet
• 18:35
  and
• 18:35
  everything
• 18:35
  else.
• 18:36
  And
• 18:37
  when
• 18:37
  you
• 18:37
  work
• 18:37
  for
• 18:37
  a
• 18:38
  newspaper,
• 18:38
  you
• 18:39
  got
• 18:39
  a
• 18:39
  story
• 18:39
  like
• 18:39
  that.
• 18:40
  We
• 18:41
  had
• 18:41
  to
• 18:41
  hold
• 18:41
  it
• 18:42
  for
• 18:42
  the
• 18:42
  later
• 18:42
  editions
• 18:43
  for
• 18:44
  fear
• 18:44
  of,
• 18:44
  you
• 18:44
  know,
• 18:45
  because
• 18:45
  you
• 18:45
  couldn't
• 18:46
  just
• 18:46
  put
• 18:46
  it
• 18:46
  out
• 18:46
  there.
• 18:46
  And,
• 18:48
  you
• 18:48
  know,
• 18:49
  you
• 18:50
  may
• 18:50
  think
• 18:50
  you
• 18:51
  had
• 18:51
  an
• 18:51
  exclusive,
• 18:51
  but
• 18:52
  you
• 18:52
  couldn't
• 18:52
  be
• 18:53
  sure.
• 18:53
  But
• 18:53
  at
• 18:54
  the
• 18:54
  same
• 18:54
  time,
• 18:54
  there
• 18:54
  was
• 18:54
  nowhere
• 18:55
  to
• 18:55
  go
• 18:55
  with
• 18:55
  it
• 18:55
  until
• 18:56
  the
• 18:56
  final
• 18:56
  editions
• 18:57
  came
• 18:57
  off
• 18:58
  the
• 18:58
  presses.
• 18:58
  So,
• 18:58
  anyway,
• 18:59
  I
• 18:59
  have
• 19:00
  the
• 19:00
  story,
• 19:01
  but
• 19:01
  I
• 19:01
  felt
• 19:02
  like,
• 19:03
  first
• 19:04
  of
• 19:04
  all,
• 19:04
  I
• 19:04
  called
• 19:04
  Frank
• 19:04
  Cashin
• 19:05
  of
• 19:05
  the
• 19:05
  Mets,
• 19:06
  the
• 19:06
  general
• 19:07
  manager,
• 19:07
  and
• 19:07
  I
• 19:07
  asked
• 19:08
  him
• 19:08
  about
• 19:08
  it
• 19:08
  and
• 19:09
  he
• 19:09
  said,
• 19:10
  well,
• 19:10
  Billy,
• 19:11
  I'm
• 19:11
  not
• 19:11
  going
• 19:11
  to
• 19:11
  lie
• 19:12
  to
• 19:12
  you.
• 19:12
  We
• 19:13
  did
• 19:13
  leave
• 19:13
  him
• 19:13
  unprotected,
• 19:14
  but
• 19:14
  we
• 19:14
  felt
• 19:15
  like
• 19:15
  he's
• 19:16
  a
• 19:16
  40
• 19:16
  year
• 19:16
  old
• 19:16
  pitcher
• 19:17
  who's
• 19:17
  going
• 19:17
  to
• 19:17
  take
• 19:17
  him.
• 19:18
  And
• 19:19
  I
• 19:19
  said,
• 19:19
  well,
• 19:19
  Frank,
• 19:19
  I
• 19:20
  hate
• 19:20
  to
• 19:20
  tell
• 19:20
  you
• 19:20
  this,
• 19:20
  but
• 19:21
  I
• 19:21
  have
• 19:21
  good
• 19:21
  information
• 19:22
  that
• 19:22
  the
• 19:22
  White
• 19:22
  Sox
• 19:23
  are
• 19:23
  going
• 19:23
  to
• 19:23
  take
• 19:23
  them.
• 19:24
  So
• 19:24
  he
• 19:25
  said
• 19:25
  to
• 19:25
  me,
• 19:25
  well,
• 19:26
  you
• 19:26
  have
• 19:26
  to
• 19:26
  write
• 19:27
  what
• 19:27
  you
• 19:27
  have
• 19:27
  to
• 19:27
  write.
• 19:28
  So
• 19:29
  I
• 19:29
  had
• 19:29
  the
• 19:29
  story
• 19:29
  confirmed,
• 19:30
  but
• 19:31
  at
• 19:31
  the
• 19:31
  same
• 19:31
  time,
• 19:31
  I
• 19:32
  felt
• 19:32
  I
• 19:32
  owed
• 19:32
  it
• 19:32
  to
• 19:33
  Seaver
• 19:33
  not
• 19:34
  to
• 19:34
  blindside
• 19:34
  him
• 19:35
  with
• 19:35
  something
• 19:35
  like
• 19:35
  this.
• 19:36
  Now,
• 19:36
  Steve,
• 19:37
  I
• 19:37
  covered
• 19:37
  the
• 19:37
  Yankees
• 19:38
  during
• 19:38
  this
• 19:38
  time,
• 19:39
  and
• 19:39
  I
• 19:39
  didn't
• 19:39
  have
• 19:40
  too
• 19:40
  much
• 19:40
  interaction
• 19:40
  with
• 19:41
  Seaver
• 19:41
  during
• 19:41
  the
• 19:41
  seasons,
• 19:42
  but
• 19:43
  he
• 19:43
  knew
• 19:43
  me,
• 19:43
  obviously,
• 19:44
  from
• 19:44
  the
• 19:44
  Daily
• 19:44
  News.
• 19:45
  And
• 19:46
  so
• 19:46
  I
• 19:47
  called
• 19:47
  him
• 19:47
  at
• 19:47
  home
• 19:48
  in
• 19:48
  Greenwich
• 19:49
  and
• 19:49
  he
• 19:49
  picked
• 19:49
  up
• 19:50
  the
• 19:50
  phone
• 19:50
  and
• 19:50
  I
• 19:50
  told
• 19:50
  him
• 19:51
  what
• 19:51
  I
• 19:51
  had.
• 19:52
  I
• 19:52
  told
• 19:53
  him
• 19:53
  the
• 19:53
  whole
• 19:53
  story.
• 19:54
  And
• 19:54
  he
• 19:54
  was.
• 19:55
  First
• 19:56
  of
• 19:56
  all,
• 19:56
  he
• 19:56
  was
• 19:56
  shell
• 19:56
  shocked.
• 19:57
  And
• 19:57
  then
• 19:57
  he
• 19:57
  was
• 19:58
  just,
• 19:58
  you
• 19:58
  know,
• 20:00
  he
• 20:00
  was
• 20:00
  not
• 20:01
  happy,
• 20:01
  put
• 20:02
  it
• 20:02
  that
• 20:02
  way.
• 20:02
  Yeah,
• 20:02
  I
• 20:03
  can
• 20:03
  imagine.
• 20:04
  And
• 20:04
  so.
• 20:05
  But
• 20:05
  I
• 20:06
  sat
• 20:06
  on
• 20:06
  the
• 20:06
  story
• 20:06
  all
• 20:07
  day
• 20:08
  for
• 20:08
  fear.
• 20:08
  I
• 20:08
  mean,
• 20:09
  I.
• 20:09
  I
• 20:09
  mean,
• 20:09
  who
• 20:10
  even
• 20:11
  could
• 20:11
  have
• 20:11
  called
• 20:11
  somebody?
• 20:12
  Cashing
• 20:12
  could
• 20:12
  have
• 20:12
  called
• 20:13
  somebody,
• 20:13
  but
• 20:13
  nobody
• 20:14
  did.
• 20:14
  And
• 20:14
  the
• 20:15
  next
• 20:15
  day
• 20:15
  we
• 20:15
  had
• 20:16
  an
• 20:16
  exclusive
• 20:16
  on
• 20:16
  the
• 20:16
  back
• 20:17
  page.
• 20:17
  But
• 20:18
  anyway,
• 20:19
  I
• 20:19
  don't
• 20:19
  think.
• 20:20
  I
• 20:20
  think
• 20:20
  Seaver
• 20:20
  never
• 20:21
  forgot
• 20:21
  that
• 20:22
  courtesy
• 20:23
  I
• 20:23
  gave
• 20:24
  him
• 20:24
  because
• 20:24
  from
• 20:25
  that
• 20:25
  day
• 20:25
  on,
• 20:26
  we
• 20:26
  talked
• 20:27
  Often
• 20:27
  on
• 20:27
  the
• 20:27
  phone
• 20:28
  and
• 20:29
  in
• 20:29
  after
• 20:30
  a
• 20:30
  couple
• 20:30
  of
• 20:30
  years
• 20:30
  in
• 20:30
  Chicago,
• 20:32
  he
• 20:32
  called
• 20:32
  me
• 20:32
  one
• 20:33
  day
• 20:33
  at
• 20:34
  home
• 20:34
  and
• 20:34
  he
• 20:34
  said,
• 20:35
  look,
• 20:35
  I
• 20:35
  need
• 20:35
  your
• 20:35
  help.
• 20:36
  I
• 20:36
  want
• 20:36
  to
• 20:37
  get
• 20:37
  out
• 20:37
  of
• 20:37
  Chicago
• 20:38
  and
• 20:38
  get
• 20:39
  back
• 20:39
  to
• 20:39
  New
• 20:39
  York.
• 20:40
  I'm
• 20:40
  wasting
• 20:41
  my
• 20:41
  time
• 20:42
  out
• 20:42
  here
• 20:42
  with
• 20:42
  White
• 20:42
  Sox.
• 20:43
  They're
• 20:43
  going
• 20:43
  nowhere.
• 20:44
  And
• 20:44
  I'd
• 20:44
  like
• 20:45
  to
• 20:45
  finish
• 20:45
  my
• 20:45
  career
• 20:45
  in
• 20:46
  New
• 20:46
  York.
• 20:46
  I
• 20:46
  need
• 20:46
  you
• 20:47
  to
• 20:47
  do
• 20:47
  me
• 20:47
  a
• 20:47
  favor.
• 20:47
  And
• 20:48
  I
• 20:48
  said,
• 20:48
  what's
• 20:48
  that?
• 20:49
  He
• 20:49
  said,
• 20:50
  could
• 20:50
  you
• 20:50
  call
• 20:50
  Steinbrenner
• 20:51
  and
• 20:52
  tell
• 20:52
  him
• 20:52
  that
• 20:53
  I
• 20:53
  want
• 20:54
  to
• 20:54
  come
• 20:54
  back
• 20:54
  to
• 20:54
  New
• 20:54
  York
• 20:55
  and
• 20:55
  I'd
• 20:55
  love
• 20:55
  to
• 20:55
  play
• 20:55
  for
• 20:56
  the
• 20:56
  Yankees?
• 20:57
  At
• 20:57
  that
• 20:57
  time,
• 20:57
  this
• 20:57
  was
• 20:58
  1986,
• 20:59
  and
• 21:00
  the
• 21:00
  Mets
• 21:01
  obviously
• 21:01
  had
• 21:01
  no
• 21:01
  room
• 21:02
  for
• 21:02
  Tom
• 21:02
  Seaver.
• 21:02
  They
• 21:02
  had
• 21:03
  one
• 21:03
  of
• 21:03
  the
• 21:03
  greatest
• 21:03
  pitching
• 21:03
  staffs
• 21:04
  in
• 21:04
  history,
• 21:05
  you
• 21:05
  know,
• 21:05
  with
• 21:06
  Gooden
• 21:06
  and
• 21:06
  Darling
• 21:07
  and
• 21:07
  Sid
• 21:07
  Fernandez
• 21:10
  and
• 21:10
  Ojida.
• 21:12
  So
• 21:13
  I
• 21:13
  said,
• 21:13
  okay,
• 21:14
  I'll
• 21:14
  see
• 21:15
  what
• 21:15
  I
• 21:15
  can
• 21:15
  do.
• 21:16
  So
• 21:16
  I
• 21:16
  called
• 21:17
  Steinbrenner.
• 21:17
  I
• 21:18
  told
• 21:18
  him
• 21:18
  this.
• 21:19
  And
• 21:19
  for
• 21:20
  the
• 21:20
  first
• 21:20
  time,
• 21:21
  I
• 21:21
  mean,
• 21:21
  this
• 21:21
  was
• 21:21
  a
• 21:22
  layup
• 21:22
  for
• 21:22
  Steinbrenner.
• 21:23
  I
• 21:23
  mean,
• 21:23
  he,
• 21:24
  you
• 21:24
  know,
• 21:25
  anything
• 21:25
  to
• 21:26
  upstage
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  Mets.
• 21:28
  George
• 21:28
  was
• 21:29
  all
• 21:29
  in.
• 21:30
  And
• 21:30
  yet
• 21:30
  for
• 21:30
  some
• 21:31
  strange
• 21:31
  reason,
• 21:32
  he
• 21:32
  was
• 21:32
  only
• 21:32
  lukewarm
• 21:33
  about
• 21:33
  this
• 21:34
  idea.
• 21:35
  And
• 21:35
  then
• 21:35
  I
• 21:35
  was
• 21:35
  working
• 21:36
  with
• 21:38
  Ken
• 21:38
  Harrelson,
• 21:39
  Hawk
• 21:39
  Harrelson,
• 21:40
  who
• 21:40
  was
• 21:40
  the
• 21:40
  White
• 21:40
  Sox
• 21:40
  gm.
• 21:41
  I
• 21:42
  was
• 21:42
  going
• 21:42
  back
• 21:42
  and
• 21:43
  forth
• 21:43
  with
• 21:43
  him
• 21:44
  because
• 21:44
  he
• 21:44
  was
• 21:44
  the
• 21:45
  guy
• 21:45
  that
• 21:45
  was
• 21:45
  going
• 21:45
  to
• 21:45
  have
• 21:45
  to
• 21:46
  make
• 21:46
  the
• 21:46
  trade.
• 21:47
  And
• 21:47
  Harrelson's
• 21:48
  telling
• 21:48
  me,
• 21:48
  I
• 21:49
  can't
• 21:49
  get
• 21:49
  George
• 21:49
  to
• 21:50
  move
• 21:50
  on
• 21:50
  this.
• 21:51
  And
• 21:52
  I
• 21:52
  said,
• 21:53
  doesn't
• 21:54
  he
• 21:54
  understand
• 21:54
  what
• 21:55
  this
• 21:55
  is?
• 21:56
  And
• 21:56
  Harold
• 21:57
  said,
• 21:58
  all
• 21:58
  right,
• 21:58
  call
• 21:58
  him
• 21:59
  back
• 21:59
  again.
• 21:59
  So
• 21:59
  I
• 22:00
  called
• 22:00
  George
• 22:00
  back
• 22:00
  again.
• 22:01
  I
• 22:01
  said,
• 22:01
  george,
• 22:01
  I
• 22:01
  don't
• 22:02
  understand.
• 22:02
  I
• 22:03
  mean,
• 22:03
  this
• 22:03
  is
• 22:03
  a
• 22:03
  no
• 22:03
  brainer
• 22:04
  for
• 22:04
  you.
• 22:04
  This
• 22:05
  is
• 22:05
  Tom
• 22:05
  Seaver.
• 22:06
  He's
• 22:07
  going
• 22:07
  to
• 22:07
  go
• 22:07
  to
• 22:07
  the
• 22:07
  hall
• 22:08
  of
• 22:08
  Fame.
• 22:08
  And
• 22:08
  as
• 22:09
  you
• 22:09
  get
• 22:09
  him,
• 22:10
  the
• 22:10
  New
• 22:10
  York
• 22:10
  Yankees
• 22:11
  will
• 22:11
  be
• 22:11
  on
• 22:11
  his
• 22:12
  hall
• 22:12
  of
• 22:12
  Fame
• 22:12
  plaque.
• 22:13
  And
• 22:14
  George
• 22:14
  said,
• 22:14
  well,
• 22:15
  they
• 22:15
  want
• 22:15
  me
• 22:16
  to
• 22:16
  give
• 22:16
  up
• 22:16
  this
• 22:16
  top
• 22:17
  prospect
• 22:17
  amount.
• 22:18
  I
• 22:18
  just
• 22:18
  don't
• 22:18
  know
• 22:18
  if
• 22:18
  I
• 22:18
  want
• 22:18
  to
• 22:19
  do
• 22:19
  that.
• 22:19
  And
• 22:20
  the
• 22:20
  bottom
• 22:20
  line
• 22:20
  was
• 22:20
  he
• 22:21
  never
• 22:21
  made
• 22:21
  the
• 22:21
  deal.
• 22:22
  But
• 22:23
  after
• 22:23
  that,
• 22:23
  Seaver
• 22:24
  and
• 22:24
  I,
• 22:24
  we
• 22:24
  remained
• 22:25
  really
• 22:25
  good
• 22:25
  friends
• 22:25
  and
• 22:26
  we
• 22:26
  were
• 22:26
  both.
• 22:27
  I
• 22:27
  was
• 22:27
  a
• 22:27
  big
• 22:28
  wine
• 22:28
  connoisseur.
• 22:28
  And
• 22:29
  of
• 22:29
  course,
• 22:29
  Seaver,
• 22:29
  after
• 22:30
  his
• 22:30
  career,
• 22:31
  went
• 22:31
  into
• 22:31
  the
• 22:31
  wine
• 22:32
  business
• 22:32
  out
• 22:32
  in
• 22:32
  Calistoga,
• 22:33
  California,
• 22:34
  he
• 22:35
  built
• 22:35
  his
• 22:35
  own
• 22:35
  vineyard
• 22:36
  out
• 22:36
  there
• 22:36
  and
• 22:36
  he
• 22:36
  made
• 22:37
  award
• 22:37
  winning
• 22:38
  Cabernet
• 22:39
  Sauvignon.
• 22:40
  And
• 22:40
  I
• 22:40
  went
• 22:41
  out
• 22:41
  and
• 22:41
  visited
• 22:41
  him
• 22:41
  a
• 22:42
  couple
• 22:42
  times
• 22:43
  there
• 22:43
  because
• 22:44
  to
• 22:44
  talk
• 22:44
  wine,
• 22:45
  to
• 22:45
  talk
• 22:45
  baseball,
• 22:46
  and
• 22:46
  I,
• 22:47
  I
• 22:47
  talk
• 22:47
  about
• 22:47
  this
• 22:47
  in
• 22:47
  the
• 22:48
  book.
• 22:51
  By
• 22:52
  now
• 22:53
  we
• 22:54
  are
• 22:54
  in
• 22:54
  the
• 22:54
  age
• 22:54
  of
• 22:54
  analytics
• 22:55
  and
• 22:55
  what
• 22:56
  they
• 22:56
  have
• 22:56
  done
• 22:56
  to
• 22:56
  starting
• 22:57
  pitching,
• 22:57
  basically
• 22:58
  emasculated
• 22:59
  starting
• 22:59
  pitching.
• 23:00
  And
• 23:02
  Seaver
• 23:03
  was
• 23:03
  heartbroken.
• 23:04
  He
• 23:04
  was
• 23:04
  truly
• 23:05
  heartbroken
• 23:06
  over
• 23:06
  what
• 23:06
  had
• 23:07
  happened
• 23:07
  to
• 23:07
  pitching
• 23:09
  because
• 23:09
  of
• 23:09
  Analytics.
• 23:10
  And
• 23:10
  we
• 23:10
  were
• 23:10
  sitting
• 23:11
  in
• 23:11
  his.
• 23:12
  In
• 23:12
  his
• 23:12
  vineyard,
• 23:13
  the
• 23:13
  far
• 23:14
  end
• 23:14
  of
• 23:14
  his
• 23:14
  vineyard
• 23:14
  there,
• 23:15
  under
• 23:15
  the
• 23:16
  shade
• 23:16
  of
• 23:16
  some
• 23:16
  trees
• 23:17
  out
• 23:17
  there,
• 23:17
  and
• 23:17
  talking
• 23:18
  baseball
• 23:18
  and
• 23:18
  talking
• 23:19
  wine.
• 23:19
  And
• 23:19
  all
• 23:20
  of
• 23:20
  a
• 23:20
  sudden,
• 23:20
  he
• 23:21
  launches
• 23:21
  into
• 23:21
  this
• 23:22
  tirade
• 23:23
  about
• 23:24
  starting
• 23:24
  pitches
• 23:25
  and
• 23:25
  what
• 23:25
  analytics
• 23:25
  has
• 23:26
  done
• 23:26
  for
• 23:26
  him.
• 23:26
  He
• 23:27
  says,
• 23:27
  they
• 23:27
  won't
• 23:27
  let
• 23:27
  these
• 23:27
  kids
• 23:28
  out
• 23:28
  of
• 23:28
  the
• 23:28
  corral.
• 23:29
  They're
• 23:29
  ruining
• 23:30
  these
• 23:30
  kids.
• 23:31
  And
• 23:31
  these
• 23:31
  kids,
• 23:32
  it's
• 23:32
  not
• 23:32
  their
• 23:33
  fault.
• 23:34
  It's
• 23:34
  the
• 23:34
  manager's
• 23:35
  fault,
• 23:35
  and
• 23:35
  it's
• 23:36
  the
• 23:36
  owner's
• 23:36
  fault,
• 23:36
  and
• 23:37
  it's
• 23:37
  the
• 23:37
  GM's
• 23:37
  fault
• 23:38
  for
• 23:39
  doing
• 23:39
  what
• 23:39
  they're
• 23:40
  doing.
• 23:40
  So
• 23:40
  these
• 23:40
  kids.
• 23:41
  It's
• 23:41
  not
• 23:41
  these
• 23:42
  kids
• 23:42
  fault.
• 23:43
  And
• 23:43
  he
• 23:43
  went
• 23:44
  on
• 23:44
  and
• 23:44
  on
• 23:44
  about
• 23:45
  this.
• 23:45
  And
• 23:46
  so
• 23:48
  I
• 23:49
  thought
• 23:49
  about
• 23:50
  dedicating
• 23:51
  that
• 23:51
  one
• 23:52
  chapter
• 23:52
  to
• 23:52
  Steve,
• 23:53
  because
• 23:55
  there's
• 23:55
  a
• 23:55
  whole
• 23:55
  chapter
• 23:56
  on
• 23:56
  analytics
• 23:57
  in
• 23:57
  the
• 23:57
  book
• 23:57
  about
• 23:58
  my
• 23:59
  feelings
• 23:59
  about
• 23:59
  it,
• 24:00
  which
• 24:00
  I
• 24:01
  pretty
• 24:01
  much
• 24:01
  made
• 24:02
  plain
• 24:03
  here
• 24:03
  in
• 24:03
  this
• 24:04
  interview.
• 24:04
  But
• 24:08
  great
• 24:08
  story,
• 24:09
  though,
• 24:09
  Bill.
• 24:10
  Yeah.
• 24:11
  And
• 24:11
  he
• 24:11
  was.
• 24:12
  We
• 24:12
  were.
• 24:12
  He
• 24:13
  was
• 24:13
  a
• 24:13
  good
• 24:13
  friend.
• 24:14
  We
• 24:15
  talked
• 24:15
  often.
• 24:15
  And
• 24:15
  then,
• 24:15
  of
• 24:16
  course,
• 24:16
  he
• 24:17
  got
• 24:21
  the
• 24:23
  elements
• 24:23
  of
• 24:23
  Lyme
• 24:24
  disease.
• 24:24
  He
• 24:24
  had
• 24:24
  gotten
• 24:25
  Lyme
• 24:25
  disease
• 24:26
  early
• 24:27
  on
• 24:27
  and
• 24:29
  I
• 24:29
  guess
• 24:29
  was.
• 24:30
  I
• 24:30
  don't
• 24:30
  know,
• 24:32
  after
• 24:32
  his
• 24:32
  career
• 24:33
  was
• 24:33
  over.
• 24:33
  Well,
• 24:33
  it's
• 24:34
  actually
• 24:34
  maybe
• 24:34
  during
• 24:34
  his
• 24:35
  career,
• 24:36
  he
• 24:36
  had
• 24:36
  a
• 24:37
  garden
• 24:37
  in
• 24:37
  the
• 24:38
  back
• 24:38
  of
• 24:38
  his
• 24:38
  house
• 24:38
  in
• 24:39
  Greenwich,
• 24:39
  Connecticut,
• 24:40
  and
• 24:41
  I
• 24:41
  guess
• 24:41
  he
• 24:42
  got
• 24:42
  a
• 24:42
  deer
• 24:42
  bite
• 24:42
  or
• 24:43
  something.
• 24:43
  Anyway,
• 24:43
  he
• 24:43
  got
• 24:44
  Lyme
• 24:44
  disease.
• 24:44
  It
• 24:44
  was
• 24:44
  a
• 24:45
  severe
• 24:45
  case
• 24:45
  of
• 24:45
  it,
• 24:46
  and
• 24:47
  he
• 24:47
  got
• 24:48
  it
• 24:48
  treated,
• 24:48
  and
• 24:48
  he
• 24:49
  was
• 24:49
  okay.
• 24:49
  But
• 24:50
  what
• 24:50
  they.
• 24:51
  They
• 24:51
  didn't
• 24:52
  tell
• 24:52
  him
• 24:52
  was
• 24:52
  that
• 24:53
  the
• 24:53
  Lyme
• 24:53
  disease
• 24:54
  could
• 24:54
  come
• 24:54
  back,
• 24:55
  and
• 24:55
  if
• 24:55
  it
• 24:55
  does,
• 24:56
  you
• 24:56
  need
• 24:56
  to
• 24:56
  get
• 24:56
  it
• 24:56
  treated
• 24:57
  immediately.
• 24:57
  Well,
• 24:58
  years
• 24:59
  later,
• 24:59
  it
• 24:59
  came
• 24:59
  back,
• 25:00
  and
• 25:00
  he
• 25:00
  didn't
• 25:00
  get
• 25:00
  it
• 25:01
  treated
• 25:01
  in
• 25:01
  time,
• 25:02
  and
• 25:02
  it
• 25:03
  started
• 25:03
  to
• 25:03
  go
• 25:03
  to
• 25:04
  his
• 25:04
  brain,
• 25:05
  and
• 25:06
  he
• 25:06
  was,
• 25:07
  you
• 25:07
  know,
• 25:07
  at
• 25:07
  the
• 25:08
  end
• 25:08
  of
• 25:08
  his
• 25:08
  life,
• 25:10
  he
• 25:11
  had
• 25:11
  severe.
• 25:14
  I
• 25:14
  don't
• 25:15
  want
• 25:15
  to
• 25:15
  call
• 25:15
  it
• 25:15
  dementia,
• 25:16
  because
• 25:16
  it
• 25:16
  wasn't
• 25:17
  like
• 25:17
  that.
• 25:18
  It
• 25:18
  was.
• 25:18
  But
• 25:18
  he
• 25:19
  just
• 25:20
  had
• 25:20
  trouble
• 25:20
  remembering
• 25:21
  things,
• 25:21
  and
• 25:21
  he
• 25:22
  had
• 25:22
  trouble
• 25:23
  communicating,
• 25:25
  and,
• 25:26
  you
• 25:26
  know,
• 25:26
  and
• 25:27
  this
• 25:27
  was
• 25:28
  one
• 25:28
  of
• 25:28
  the
• 25:28
  most.
• 25:29
  Just
• 25:30
  fun
• 25:30
  people
• 25:31
  and
• 25:32
  just
• 25:33
  intelligent.
• 25:33
  Smartest.
• 25:34
  Smart.
• 25:35
  Probably
• 25:35
  the
• 25:35
  smartest
• 25:36
  player
• 25:36
  I
• 25:36
  ever
• 25:36
  knew.
• 25:36
  He
• 25:37
  used
• 25:37
  to
• 25:37
  do
• 25:37
  the
• 25:37
  New
• 25:37
  York
• 25:38
  Times
• 25:38
  crossword
• 25:39
  puzzles
• 25:39
  at
• 25:39
  his
• 25:40
  locker
• 25:40
  in
• 25:41
  pencil.
• 25:42
  Yeah.
• 25:43
  Very
• 25:43
  articulate
• 25:44
  young
• 25:44
  man.
• 25:44
  Definitely.
• 25:45
  Yeah.
• 25:46
  And
• 25:48
  it
• 25:48
  was
• 25:49
  so
• 25:49
  sad
• 25:49
  when
• 25:49
  I
• 25:49
  saw
• 25:50
  what
• 25:50
  happened
• 25:50
  to
• 25:50
  him
• 25:50
  at
• 25:50
  the
• 25:51
  end.
• 25:51
  And,
• 25:51
  of
• 25:51
  course,
• 25:51
  he
• 25:52
  passed
• 25:52
  away.
• 25:53
  And
• 25:55
  when
• 25:55
  I
• 25:55
  wrote
• 25:55
  the
• 25:56
  book
• 25:56
  on
• 25:56
  him,
• 25:56
  I
• 25:56
  had
• 25:57
  done
• 25:57
  a
• 25:57
  documentary
• 25:58
  on
• 25:58
  him,
• 25:58
  actually,
• 25:59
  before
• 26:00
  I
• 26:01
  wrote
• 26:01
  the
• 26:01
  book.
• 26:02
  A
• 26:02
  friend
• 26:03
  of
• 26:03
  mine
• 26:03
  who
• 26:03
  was
• 26:03
  the
• 26:03
  editor
• 26:04
  in
• 26:04
  chief
• 26:04
  of
• 26:04
  the
• 26:04
  Daily
• 26:05
  News,
• 26:05
  his
• 26:05
  name
• 26:05
  was
• 26:06
  Martin
• 26:06
  Dunn.
• 26:07
  And
• 26:07
  he
• 26:07
  was
• 26:08
  in
• 26:08
  the.
• 26:08
  He
• 26:09
  went
• 26:09
  into
• 26:10
  documentary
• 26:11
  productions
• 26:12
  and
• 26:12
  things
• 26:12
  like
• 26:12
  that.
• 26:12
  And
• 26:13
  he
• 26:13
  asked
• 26:13
  me
• 26:14
  if
• 26:14
  I
• 26:14
  could
• 26:14
  arrange
• 26:15
  with
• 26:15
  Seaver
• 26:16
  to
• 26:16
  do
• 26:16
  a
• 26:16
  documentary
• 26:17
  on
• 26:17
  there.
• 26:17
  He
• 26:17
  said,
• 26:17
  I'll
• 26:17
  call
• 26:18
  him.
• 26:18
  I'll
• 26:18
  see.
• 26:19
  At
• 26:19
  this
• 26:19
  time,
• 26:20
  he
• 26:20
  was
• 26:20
  already
• 26:20
  starting
• 26:21
  to
• 26:21
  lose
• 26:21
  it.
• 26:24
  I
• 26:24
  don't
• 26:24
  want
• 26:24
  to
• 26:25
  say
• 26:25
  mentally,
• 26:25
  but
• 26:25
  he
• 26:25
  was
• 26:26
  losing
• 26:26
  it
• 26:26
  as
• 26:26
  far
• 26:27
  as
• 26:27
  his,
• 26:28
  you
• 26:28
  know,
• 26:30
  memories
• 26:30
  and
• 26:30
  everything
• 26:31
  else
• 26:31
  was
• 26:31
  concerned.
• 26:33
  And
• 26:33
  I
• 26:33
  called
• 26:33
  him
• 26:33
  and
• 26:34
  he
• 26:34
  agreed
• 26:34
  to
• 26:35
  do
• 26:35
  it.
• 26:35
  And
• 26:36
  we
• 26:37
  went
• 26:37
  out
• 26:37
  there.
• 26:37
  We
• 26:37
  went
• 26:38
  out
• 26:38
  there
• 26:39
  a
• 26:39
  couple
• 26:39
  of
• 26:39
  times
• 26:40
  and
• 26:40
  filmed
• 26:41
  this
• 26:41
  documentary
• 26:42
  out
• 26:42
  at
• 26:42
  the
• 26:42
  Vineyard,
• 26:43
  which
• 26:44
  I
• 26:44
  was
• 26:44
  obviously
• 26:45
  very
• 26:45
  grateful
• 26:45
  that
• 26:46
  he
• 26:46
  did
• 26:46
  it,
• 26:47
  but
• 26:49
  because
• 26:50
  of
• 26:50
  that,
• 26:51
  because
• 26:52
  we
• 26:52
  did
• 26:52
  the
• 26:52
  documentary,
• 26:53
  then
• 26:54
  Martin
• 26:55
  would
• 26:55
  ask
• 26:55
  me,
• 26:55
  he
• 26:56
  says,
• 26:56
  why
• 26:56
  haven't
• 26:57
  you
• 26:57
  done
• 26:57
  a
• 26:57
  book
• 26:57
  on
• 26:57
  Steven?
• 26:58
  I
• 26:58
  said,
• 26:58
  look,
• 26:59
  I
• 26:59
  don't
• 26:59
  think
• 26:59
  I.
• 27:00
  I
• 27:00
  said,
• 27:01
  we're.
• 27:01
  We're
• 27:01
  too
• 27:01
  good
• 27:01
  of
• 27:02
  friends.
• 27:02
  And
• 27:05
  I
• 27:05
  don't.
• 27:05
  I
• 27:06
  did
• 27:06
  a
• 27:06
  book
• 27:07
  on
• 27:07
  him.
• 27:07
  It
• 27:07
  would
• 27:07
  have
• 27:07
  to
• 27:07
  be
• 27:08
  an
• 27:08
  autobiography,
• 27:09
  his
• 27:10
  story.
• 27:10
  And
• 27:12
  I
• 27:12
  don't
• 27:12
  think
• 27:12
  he's
• 27:13
  capable
• 27:13
  of
• 27:13
  doing
• 27:13
  that
• 27:14
  now.
• 27:14
  And
• 27:14
  he
• 27:14
  wasn't.
• 27:16
  So
• 27:16
  I
• 27:17
  never
• 27:17
  did
• 27:17
  a
• 27:17
  book
• 27:17
  on
• 27:17
  him.
• 27:18
  But
• 27:18
  then
• 27:18
  he
• 27:18
  passed
• 27:18
  away,
• 27:19
  and
• 27:20
  Martin
• 27:20
  came
• 27:20
  back
• 27:20
  to
• 27:21
  me
• 27:21
  again.
• 27:21
  He
• 27:21
  says,
• 27:21
  billy,
• 27:22
  you
• 27:22
  have
• 27:22
  to
• 27:22
  do
• 27:23
  this
• 27:23
  book
• 27:23
  on
• 27:23
  Seaver,
• 27:24
  because
• 27:24
  if
• 27:24
  you
• 27:24
  don't
• 27:25
  do
• 27:25
  it,
• 27:25
  someone
• 27:25
  else
• 27:25
  is
• 27:26
  going
• 27:26
  to
• 27:26
  do
• 27:26
  it.
• 27:26
  And
• 27:26
  you're
• 27:26
  the
• 27:27
  only
• 27:27
  guy
• 27:27
  that
• 27:27
  can
• 27:27
  really
• 27:28
  do
• 27:28
  this
• 27:28
  book.
• 27:28
  You
• 27:29
  get
• 27:29
  it,
• 27:29
  right?
• 27:30
  Yeah.
• 27:30
  Yeah.
• 27:31
  So
• 27:32
  I
• 27:32
  did
• 27:32
  the
• 27:32
  book,
• 27:33
  and
• 27:38
  it
• 27:38
  was.
• 27:39
  I
• 27:39
  was
• 27:39
  very
• 27:39
  happy
• 27:40
  with
• 27:40
  it.
• 27:40
  The
• 27:40
  only
• 27:40
  problem
• 27:41
  with
• 27:41
  it
• 27:41
  was
• 27:41
  it
• 27:42
  came
• 27:42
  out
• 27:42
  during
• 27:42
  the
• 27:43
  pandemic
• 27:44
  in
• 27:44
  2020,
• 27:45
  and
• 27:46
  there
• 27:46
  was
• 27:46
  no
• 27:46
  way
• 27:46
  to
• 27:46
  promote
• 27:47
  the
• 27:47
  book
• 27:47
  because
• 27:49
  they
• 27:49
  weren't
• 27:50
  doing
• 27:50
  any
• 27:50
  television
• 27:51
  shows
• 27:51
  or,
• 27:52
  you
• 27:52
  know,
• 27:53
  and,
• 27:54
  you
• 27:54
  know,
• 27:56
  so
• 27:57
  I
• 27:58
  guess
• 27:58
  it
• 27:58
  did
• 27:58
  okay.
• 27:59
  But,
• 28:00
  you
• 28:00
  know,
• 28:00
  if
• 28:00
  I
• 28:00
  could
• 28:00
  have
• 28:01
  promoted
• 28:01
  it
• 28:01
  in
• 28:01
  New
• 28:01
  York
• 28:02
  and
• 28:02
  gotten
• 28:02
  on
• 28:02
  TV
• 28:03
  and
• 28:04
  stuff
• 28:04
  like
• 28:05
  I'm
• 28:05
  doing
• 28:05
  with
• 28:05
  you
• 28:05
  tonight.
• 28:07
  So
• 28:07
  many
• 28:08
  things.
• 28:08
  So
• 28:08
  many
• 28:08
  things,
• 28:09
  Bill.
• 28:09
  I
• 28:10
  wanted
• 28:10
  to
• 28:10
  get
• 28:10
  to
• 28:11
  Dick
• 28:11
  Young,
• 28:12
  Pete
• 28:12
  Rose,
• 28:13
  the
• 28:13
  Home
• 28:13
  Run
• 28:13
  chase,
• 28:14
  which
• 28:14
  you
• 28:15
  mentioned
• 28:15
  in
• 28:15
  your
• 28:15
  book,
• 28:16
  was
• 28:16
  great
• 28:16
  covering
• 28:17
  it,
• 28:17
  but
• 28:17
  later
• 28:17
  you
• 28:18
  had
• 28:18
  to
• 28:18
  expose
• 28:19
  these
• 28:19
  guys
• 28:19
  for
• 28:19
  what
• 28:20
  they
• 28:20
  are.
• 28:21
  I
• 28:21
  want
• 28:21
  to
• 28:21
  talk
• 28:22
  about
• 28:22
  Roland
• 28:22
  Heman,
• 28:24
  the
• 28:24
  great
• 28:24
  scout,
• 28:25
  and
• 28:25
  scouts
• 28:25
  should
• 28:26
  be
• 28:26
  in
• 28:26
  the
• 28:26
  hall
• 28:26
  of
• 28:26
  Fame.
• 28:27
  I
• 28:27
  think
• 28:28
  in
• 28:28
  the
• 28:28
  short
• 28:29
  time
• 28:29
  we
• 28:29
  have
• 28:29
  left,
• 28:30
  Bill,
• 28:30
  one
• 28:31
  good
• 28:31
  story.
• 28:32
  Rocking
• 28:32
  on
• 28:32
  the
• 28:32
  back
• 28:33
  porch
• 28:33
  of
• 28:33
  the
• 28:33
  Otis
• 28:34
  saga.
• 28:34
  Give
• 28:35
  us
• 28:35
  one
• 28:35
  good
• 28:35
  story
• 28:36
  from
• 28:36
  those
• 28:36
  times
• 28:37
  for
• 28:37
  you.
• 28:38
  Well,
• 28:39
  probably
• 28:39
  the
• 28:39
  best
• 28:39
  one.
• 28:41
  This
• 28:41
  is
• 28:41
  in
• 28:41
  the
• 28:41
  book,
• 28:42
  too.
• 28:43
  There
• 28:43
  was
• 28:43
  a
• 28:43
  day
• 28:43
  that
• 28:45
  Ted
• 28:46
  Williams
• 28:46
  had
• 28:47
  made
• 28:48
  one
• 28:48
  of
• 28:48
  his
• 28:48
  rare
• 28:48
  appearances
• 28:49
  at
• 28:49
  Cooperstown,
• 28:51
  and
• 28:52
  we
• 28:52
  were
• 28:52
  all
• 28:52
  sitting
• 28:53
  on
• 28:53
  the
• 28:53
  back
• 28:53
  porch
• 28:54
  there,
• 28:55
  and
• 28:55
  it
• 28:55
  was.
• 28:56
  And
• 28:57
  all
• 28:57
  of
• 28:57
  a
• 28:57
  sudden,
• 28:57
  the
• 28:57
  peace
• 28:58
  and
• 28:58
  quiet
• 28:58
  of
• 28:58
  the
• 28:58
  back
• 28:59
  porch
• 28:59
  is
• 28:59
  interrupted
• 29:00
  by
• 29:00
  this
• 29:00
  shouting.
• 29:01
  And
• 29:01
  it
• 29:01
  was
• 29:01
  Ted
• 29:02
  Williams
• 29:02
  and
• 29:02
  Tommy
• 29:03
  Lasorda
• 29:03
  getting
• 29:03
  into
• 29:04
  this
• 29:04
  heated
• 29:05
  argument
• 29:06
  over
• 29:06
  who
• 29:07
  was
• 29:07
  dumber,
• 29:07
  pitchers
• 29:08
  or
• 29:08
  hitters.
• 29:10
  And
• 29:10
  Ted
• 29:11
  Williams
• 29:11
  had
• 29:11
  this
• 29:11
  guy
• 29:12
  with
• 29:12
  him,
• 29:12
  his
• 29:13
  name
• 29:13
  was
• 29:13
  Buzz,
• 29:14
  who
• 29:14
  was
• 29:18
  the
• 29:18
  guy
• 29:19
  that
• 29:19
  ran
• 29:19
  his
• 29:20
  museum
• 29:21
  up
• 29:21
  there
• 29:22
  in
• 29:23
  northern
• 29:23
  Florida.
• 29:24
  And
• 29:24
  Buzz
• 29:25
  was
• 29:25
  with
• 29:25
  him
• 29:25
  and.
• 29:26
  And
• 29:26
  Ted
• 29:26
  had
• 29:26
  given
• 29:27
  him
• 29:27
  an
• 29:27
  encyclopedia
• 29:28
  of
• 29:28
  baseball
• 29:28
  to
• 29:28
  bring
• 29:29
  with
• 29:29
  him
• 29:29
  just
• 29:30
  in
• 29:30
  case
• 29:30
  he
• 29:30
  got
• 29:30
  in
• 29:31
  an
• 29:31
  argument
• 29:31
  with
• 29:31
  somebody
• 29:32
  about
• 29:32
  baseball.
• 29:33
  And
• 29:34
  so
• 29:34
  they're
• 29:34
  going
• 29:34
  back
• 29:35
  and
• 29:35
  forth
• 29:36
  and
• 29:36
  Losor
• 29:37
  would
• 29:37
  say
• 29:38
  something
• 29:38
  and
• 29:38
  Williams
• 29:38
  would
• 29:39
  say
• 29:39
  something,
• 29:39
  and
• 29:39
  then
• 29:39
  Williams
• 29:40
  would
• 29:40
  yell,
• 29:40
  buzz,
• 29:41
  bring
• 29:41
  the
• 29:41
  book.
• 29:42
  Bring
• 29:42
  the
• 29:42
  book.
• 29:43
  And
• 29:43
  Buzz
• 29:43
  would
• 29:43
  scurry
• 29:44
  over.
• 29:44
  The
• 29:44
  book
• 29:44
  was
• 29:45
  laying
• 29:45
  on
• 29:45
  a
• 29:45
  table
• 29:46
  there.
• 29:46
  He
• 29:46
  would
• 29:47
  scurry
• 29:47
  over,
• 29:47
  grab
• 29:47
  the
• 29:48
  book
• 29:48
  and
• 29:48
  bring
• 29:48
  it
• 29:48
  to
• 29:48
  him.
• 29:49
  And
• 29:49
  it
• 29:49
  was
• 29:49
  a.
• 29:50
  This
• 29:50
  went
• 29:51
  on
• 29:51
  for
• 29:51
  about
• 29:51
  a
• 29:51
  half
• 29:51
  an
• 29:52
  hour.
• 29:52
  And
• 29:53
  I
• 29:53
  only
• 29:53
  wish
• 29:54
  there
• 29:54
  was
• 29:54
  somebody
• 29:55
  there
• 29:55
  to
• 29:55
  videotape
• 29:56
  this
• 29:56
  because
• 29:56
  it
• 29:56
  was
• 29:56
  a
• 29:56
  priceless
• 29:57
  thing.
• 29:57
  I
• 29:58
  tried
• 29:58
  to
• 29:58
  get
• 29:58
  it
• 29:59
  as
• 29:59
  accurate
• 30:00
  as
• 30:00
  possible
• 30:01
  describing
• 30:02
  this
• 30:02
  whole
• 30:02
  scene
• 30:03
  with
• 30:03
  Williamson,
• 30:04
  but
• 30:05
  it
• 30:05
  was
• 30:05
  one
• 30:06
  of
• 30:06
  the
• 30:06
  more
• 30:06
  memorable
• 30:07
  days
• 30:07
  I
• 30:07
  had
• 30:07
  at
• 30:07
  Cooper
• 30:08
  Sale.
• 30:08
  Amazing.
• 30:08
  For
• 30:09
  folks
• 30:09
  who
• 30:09
  may
• 30:09
  not
• 30:10
  know,
• 30:10
  the
• 30:10
  Odessauga
• 30:11
  Hotel
• 30:11
  is
• 30:11
  where
• 30:12
  the
• 30:12
  hall
• 30:12
  of
• 30:12
  Famers
• 30:13
  stay
• 30:13
  on
• 30:13
  hall
• 30:14
  of
• 30:14
  Fame
• 30:14
  Weekend.
• 30:15
  And
• 30:16
  they
• 30:16
  sit
• 30:16
  in
• 30:16
  rocking
• 30:17
  chairs
• 30:17
  on
• 30:17
  the
• 30:17
  back
• 30:18
  porch
• 30:18
  looking
• 30:18
  over
• 30:19
  the
• 30:19
  great
• 30:20
  Otsego
• 30:21
  Lake
• 30:22
  and
• 30:22
  regaling
• 30:23
  those
• 30:23
  around
• 30:23
  them,
• 30:24
  like
• 30:24
  Bill
• 30:24
  Madden,
• 30:25
  with
• 30:25
  tales
• 30:25
  of
• 30:26
  our
• 30:26
  great
• 30:27
  pastime.
• 30:28
  Well,
• 30:28
  Bill,
• 30:29
  it's
• 30:29
  been
• 30:30
  an
• 30:30
  honor
• 30:30
  and
• 30:30
  a
• 30:30
  pleasure
• 30:31
  having
• 30:31
  you
• 30:31
  with
• 30:31
  us
• 30:31
  tonight.
• 30:32
  I
• 30:32
  thank
• 30:32
  you
• 30:33
  for
• 30:33
  taking
• 30:33
  time
• 30:33
  out
• 30:34
  of
• 30:34
  your
• 30:34
  Sunday
• 30:34
  night
• 30:35
  to
• 30:35
  spend
• 30:35
  some
• 30:35
  of
• 30:35
  it
• 30:35
  with
• 30:36
  us
• 30:36
  here
• 30:36
  on
• 30:36
  Long
• 30:36
  Island.
• 30:37
  The
• 30:37
  book
• 30:38
  again,
• 30:38
  folks.
• 30:39
  It's
• 30:39
  from
• 30:39
  Triumph
• 30:40
  Sports,
• 30:40
  Our
• 30:40
  Buddies
• 30:41
  in
• 30:41
  Chicago,
• 30:42
  A
• 30:42
  Baseball
• 30:43
  Memoir,
• 30:43
  Yankees,
• 30:44
  Typewriters,
• 30:45
  Scandals,
• 30:46
  and
• 30:46
  Cooperstown.
• 30:47
  The
• 30:48
  great
• 30:48
  Bill
• 30:48
  Madden,
• 30:49
  ladies
• 30:49
  and
• 30:49
  gentlemen.
• 30:50
  Thanks,
• 30:51
  Bill.
• 30:52
  Okay,
• 30:53
  thank
• 30:53
  you.
• 30:53
  Have
• 30:54
  a
• 30:54
  good
• 30:54
  night.
• 30:54
  That's
• 30:54
  Bill
• 30:55
  Madden,
• 30:55
  ladies
• 30:55
  and
• 30:56
  gentlemen.
• 30:56
  Up
• 30:56
  next
• 30:56
  on
• 30:57
  Sports
• 30:57
  Talk
• 30:57
  New
• 30:57
  York,
• 30:58
  we'll
• 30:58
  speak
• 30:58
  to
• 30:59
  another
• 30:59
  author,
• 30:59
  Ronald
• 31:00
  T.
• 31:00
  Waldo,
• 31:01
  about
• 31:01
  his
• 31:01
  new
• 31:01
  book
• 31:02
  about
• 31:02
  the
• 31:02
  legendary
• 31:03
  dead
• 31:03
  ball
• 31:04
  era.
• 31:04
  More
• 31:05
  immortal
• 31:05
  personalities
• 31:06
  coming
• 31:06
  up,
• 31:07
  folks.
• 31:07
  Stick
• 31:07
  around.
• 31:13
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• 31:13
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• 31:13
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• 31:14
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• 31:14
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• 31:14
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• 31:15
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• 31:15
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• 31:16
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• 31:16
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• 31:16
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• 31:17
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• 31:17
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• 31:17
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• 31:18
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• 31:45
  And
• 31:46
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• 31:46
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• 31:47
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• 31:47
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• 31:47
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• 31:55
  All
• 31:55
  right,
• 31:55
  ladies
• 31:56
  and
• 31:56
  gentlemen,
• 31:56
  boys
• 31:57
  and
• 31:57
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• 31:58
  we
• 31:58
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• 31:58
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• 31:59
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• 31:59
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• 32:00
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• 32:00
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• 32:01
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• 32:01
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• 32:01
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• 32:04
  from
• 32:05
  beautiful
• 32:05
  Downtown
• 32:06
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• 32:06
  Long
• 32:07
  Island.
• 32:07
  The
• 32:08
  silver
• 32:08
  snail
• 32:09
  of
• 32:09
  the
• 32:09
  Long
• 32:09
  Island
• 32:09
  Railroad
• 32:10
  running
• 32:10
  right
• 32:11
  by
• 32:11
  our
• 32:11
  window
• 32:12
  here.
• 32:12
  Right,
• 32:12
  Brian.
• 32:13
  You
• 32:13
  can
• 32:13
  see
• 32:13
  the
• 32:14
  expression
• 32:14
  on
• 32:14
  the
• 32:15
  people's
• 32:15
  faces
• 32:15
  going
• 32:16
  by.
• 32:16
  Pretty
• 32:16
  disgusted,
• 32:17
  actually.
• 32:18
  They
• 32:18
  are,
• 32:19
  but
• 32:19
  I
• 32:19
  can't
• 32:19
  blame
• 32:20
  them.
• 32:21
  I
• 32:21
  hope
• 32:22
  everything
• 32:22
  is
• 32:22
  well
• 32:22
  with
• 32:23
  you
• 32:23
  guys.
• 32:23
  I
• 32:23
  thank
• 32:23
  you
• 32:24
  for
• 32:24
  stopping
• 32:24
  by
• 32:25
  and
• 32:26
  hanging
• 32:26
  with
• 32:27
  us
• 32:27
  tonight
• 32:27
  for
• 32:27
  a
• 32:27
  while.
• 32:28
  For
• 32:29
  those
• 32:29
  of
• 32:29
  you
• 32:29
  who
• 32:29
  watched
• 32:30
  the
• 32:30
  Met
• 32:30
  game
• 32:30
  today,
• 32:31
  it
• 32:31
  was
• 32:31
  a
• 32:31
  very
• 32:32
  Metzian
• 32:32
  outcome,
• 32:33
  as
• 32:33
  I
• 32:33
  call
• 32:33
  it.
• 32:34
  Metzian.
• 32:35
  Winning
• 32:36
  71
• 32:37
  in
• 32:37
  the
• 32:37
  eighth
• 32:37
  inning,
• 32:38
  losing
• 32:39
  8
• 32:40
  7.
• 32:42
  Yes,
• 32:42
  yes,
• 32:43
  Brian,
• 32:43
  that
• 32:43
  was
• 32:44
  it.
• 32:44
  And
• 32:45
  just
• 32:46
  a
• 32:46
  real
• 32:46
  gut
• 32:47
  punch,
• 32:47
  what
• 32:47
  they've
• 32:48
  been
• 32:48
  doing
• 32:48
  to
• 32:48
  me
• 32:48
  for
• 32:49
  60
• 32:49
  years.
• 32:49
  But
• 32:50
  that's
• 32:51
  a
• 32:51
  story
• 32:51
  for
• 32:51
  another
• 32:52
  night.
• 32:52
  Our
• 32:53
  next
• 32:53
  guest,
• 32:54
  he
• 32:54
  is
• 32:54
  a
• 32:54
  baseball
• 32:55
  historian
• 32:56
  and
• 32:56
  he's
• 32:57
  an
• 32:57
  author.
• 32:57
  And
• 32:58
  his
• 32:58
  latest
• 32:58
  book
• 32:58
  is
• 32:59
  titled
• 32:59
  Dead
• 32:59
  Ball
• 33:00
  Scoundrels,
• 33:02
  Scandalous
• 33:02
  Behavior
• 33:03
  and
• 33:04
  Tragic
• 33:04
  Events.
• 33:04
  I
• 33:05
  welcome
• 33:05
  to
• 33:05
  Sports
• 33:06
  Talk
• 33:06
  New
• 33:06
  York
• 33:06
  tonight,
• 33:07
  Ronald
• 33:07
  T.
• 33:08
  Waldo.
• 33:08
  Ron,
• 33:08
  good
• 33:09
  evening.
• 33:10
  Hey,
• 33:10
  Bill.
• 33:11
  Thank
• 33:11
  you
• 33:11
  very
• 33:11
  much
• 33:11
  for
• 33:12
  inviting
• 33:12
  me
• 33:12
  on
• 33:12
  your
• 33:13
  show.
• 33:13
  It's
• 33:14
  great
• 33:14
  to
• 33:14
  be
• 33:14
  here
• 33:14
  and
• 33:15
  happy
• 33:15
  to
• 33:16
  talk
• 33:16
  about
• 33:16
  some
• 33:17
  baseball
• 33:17
  from
• 33:18
  back
• 33:18
  at
• 33:18
  the
• 33:18
  turn
• 33:18
  of
• 33:18
  the
• 33:19
  20th
• 33:19
  century.
• 33:19
  Here
• 33:20
  we
• 33:20
  go.
• 33:20
  I
• 33:20
  was
• 33:21
  just
• 33:21
  talking
• 33:21
  to
• 33:21
  Bill
• 33:21
  Madden
• 33:22
  on
• 33:22
  the
• 33:22
  air,
• 33:23
  Ron,
• 33:23
  and
• 33:24
  it's
• 33:24
  funny,
• 33:25
  his
• 33:25
  book
• 33:26
  is
• 33:26
  titled
• 33:27
  A
• 33:27
  Baseball
• 33:28
  Memoir.
• 33:29
  Yankees
• 33:29
  Typewriters,
• 33:30
  Scandals
• 33:31
  and
• 33:31
  Cooperstown.
• 33:32
  So
• 33:32
  tonight,
• 33:33
  I
• 33:33
  guess
• 33:34
  the
• 33:35
  main
• 33:35
  theme
• 33:35
  is
• 33:35
  scandals.
• 33:38
  So
• 33:39
  we'll
• 33:39
  go
• 33:39
  with
• 33:39
  that.
• 33:40
  That
• 33:40
  is
• 33:41
  interesting.
• 33:41
  Yes,
• 33:41
  it
• 33:41
  is.
• 33:42
  Yeah.
• 33:42
  And
• 33:43
  I
• 33:43
  didn't
• 33:43
  even
• 33:43
  plan
• 33:44
  on
• 33:44
  that.
• 33:44
  See,
• 33:45
  Brian,
• 33:45
  you
• 33:45
  see
• 33:46
  how
• 33:46
  things
• 33:46
  work
• 33:46
  out.
• 33:47
  Amazing.
• 33:49
  Now,
• 33:50
  your
• 33:50
  sports
• 33:50
  heroes
• 33:51
  as
• 33:51
  a
• 33:51
  youth,
• 33:52
  Ron,
• 33:52
  who
• 33:52
  can
• 33:53
  we
• 33:54
  count
• 33:54
  in
• 33:54
  that
• 33:55
  category?
• 33:57
  When
• 33:57
  I
• 33:57
  grew
• 33:57
  up
• 33:58
  in
• 33:58
  the
• 33:58
  70s,
• 33:59
  when
• 33:59
  the
• 33:59
  pirates
• 34:00
  were
• 34:00
  always
• 34:00
  competing
• 34:01
  for
• 34:02
  Eastern
• 34:03
  Division
• 34:03
  National
• 34:03
  League
• 34:04
  pennants,
• 34:05
  Roberto
• 34:06
  Clemente,
• 34:06
  Willie
• 34:07
  Stargell,
• 34:08
  Doc
• 34:08
  Ellis,
• 34:09
  because
• 34:09
  he
• 34:10
  was
• 34:10
  such
• 34:10
  a
• 34:10
  character
• 34:10
  back
• 34:11
  then.
• 34:12
  They
• 34:13
  were
• 34:13
  just
• 34:13
  great
• 34:13
  teams,
• 34:14
  fun
• 34:15
  to
• 34:15
  watch.
• 34:15
  It
• 34:15
  was
• 34:16
  actually
• 34:16
  a
• 34:16
  great
• 34:16
  time
• 34:17
  to
• 34:17
  be
• 34:17
  a
• 34:18
  young
• 34:18
  lad
• 34:19
  in
• 34:20
  the
• 34:20
  Steel
• 34:21
  City
• 34:21
  here,
• 34:21
  Pittsburgh,
• 34:22
  watching
• 34:22
  a
• 34:22
  Pirate
• 34:23
  team
• 34:23
  that
• 34:23
  contended
• 34:24
  every
• 34:24
  year.
• 34:24
  Yeah.
• 34:25
  And
• 34:25
  I
• 34:25
  always
• 34:26
  loved
• 34:26
  the
• 34:26
  uniforms
• 34:27
  when
• 34:27
  they
• 34:27
  switched
• 34:28
  from
• 34:28
  the
• 34:29
  sleeveless
• 34:30
  to
• 34:30
  the
• 34:30
  gold
• 34:31
  and
• 34:31
  black
• 34:32
  and
• 34:32
  the
• 34:32
  pillbox
• 34:33
  hats
• 34:33
  and
• 34:34
  the
• 34:34
  whole.
• 34:34
  The
• 34:35
  first
• 34:35
  thing
• 34:35
  I
• 34:35
  did
• 34:35
  when
• 34:36
  I
• 34:36
  stopped
• 34:36
  at
• 34:36
  PNC
• 34:37
  park
• 34:38
  was
• 34:39
  to
• 34:39
  go
• 34:39
  in
• 34:39
  and
• 34:39
  get
• 34:40
  a
• 34:40
  pillbox
• 34:40
  hat
• 34:41
  for
• 34:41
  myself.
• 34:42
  And
• 34:42
  I
• 34:42
  got
• 34:43
  one
• 34:43
  of
• 34:43
  those.
• 34:44
  So
• 34:45
  I
• 34:45
  was
• 34:45
  able
• 34:45
  to
• 34:45
  complete
• 34:46
  my
• 34:46
  pirate
• 34:46
  collection.
• 34:47
  But
• 34:48
  always
• 34:48
  great,
• 34:49
  those
• 34:49
  pirate
• 34:49
  teams,
• 34:50
  the
• 34:50
  lumber
• 34:50
  company
• 34:51
  folks.
• 34:51
  Google
• 34:51
  that
• 34:51
  and
• 34:52
  you'll
• 34:52
  see
• 34:52
  what
• 34:53
  a
• 34:53
  great
• 34:53
  ball
• 34:53
  club
• 34:54
  the
• 34:54
  Pittsburgh
• 34:54
  Pirates
• 34:55
  had.
• 34:56
  Now,
• 34:56
  I
• 34:56
  know
• 34:57
  you
• 34:57
  have
• 34:57
  a
• 34:57
  great
• 34:57
  body
• 34:58
  of
• 34:58
  work
• 34:58
  prior
• 34:59
  to
• 34:59
  this
• 34:59
  book,
• 35:00
  Ron,
• 35:00
  tell
• 35:00
  the
• 35:01
  folks
• 35:01
  some
• 35:01
  of
• 35:01
  the
• 35:01
  titles
• 35:02
  and
• 35:03
  short
• 35:03
  synopsis
• 35:04
  of
• 35:04
  each.
• 35:06
  Well,
• 35:06
  the
• 35:07
  first
• 35:07
  book
• 35:07
  I
• 35:07
  wrote,
• 35:08
  it's
• 35:09
  actually
• 35:09
  been
• 35:09
  15
• 35:10
  years
• 35:10
  now.
• 35:11
  2010
• 35:13
  it
• 35:14
  was
• 35:14
  about
• 35:14
  hall
• 35:15
  of
• 35:15
  Fame
• 35:16
  outfielder
• 35:17
  manager
• 35:17
  Fred
• 35:17
  Clark
• 35:18
  of
• 35:18
  the
• 35:18
  Pittsburgh
• 35:18
  Pirates.
• 35:20
  And
• 35:20
  then
• 35:20
  I
• 35:21
  did
• 35:21
  a
• 35:21
  few
• 35:21
  season
• 35:22
  books
• 35:22
  on
• 35:22
  that
• 35:23
  club.
• 35:24
  The
• 35:24
  1925
• 35:25
  World
• 35:26
  Series
• 35:26
  winners
• 35:26
  over
• 35:26
  to
• 35:27
  Washington
• 35:27
  Senators
• 35:28
  and
• 35:28
  the
• 35:29
  1938
• 35:30
  team
• 35:30
  that
• 35:31
  lost
• 35:31
  out
• 35:31
  when
• 35:32
  Gabby
• 35:32
  Hartnett
• 35:33
  hit
• 35:33
  his
• 35:33
  homer
• 35:33
  in
• 35:33
  a
• 35:33
  glom
• 35:34
  and
• 35:34
  it
• 35:34
  ruined
• 35:34
  their
• 35:35
  chances
• 35:35
  of
• 35:35
  winning
• 35:35
  the
• 35:35
  National
• 35:36
  League
• 35:36
  pennant
• 35:36
  that
• 35:36
  year.
• 35:37
  I
• 35:38
  also
• 35:38
  did
• 35:38
  a
• 35:38
  biography
• 35:39
  of
• 35:39
  my
• 35:39
  favorite
• 35:39
  player
• 35:40
  of
• 35:40
  all
• 35:40
  time,
• 35:41
  Hazen
• 35:42
  Shirley
• 35:42
  Kai
• 35:43
  Kai
• 35:43
  Kyler,
• 35:44
  who
• 35:44
  might
• 35:45
  have
• 35:45
  been
• 35:45
  the
• 35:45
  subject
• 35:45
  of
• 35:46
  the
• 35:46
  worst
• 35:46
  trade
• 35:46
  the
• 35:46
  Pittsburgh
• 35:47
  Pirates
• 35:47
  ever
• 35:47
  made
• 35:47
  in
• 35:48
  history
• 35:48
  in
• 35:49
  1927.
• 35:50
  And
• 35:50
  then
• 35:51
  after
• 35:51
  doing
• 35:51
  a
• 35:52
  lot
• 35:52
  of
• 35:52
  books
• 35:52
  on
• 35:52
  the
• 35:52
  Pirates,
• 35:53
  I
• 35:53
  tried
• 35:54
  to
• 35:54
  diversify
• 35:54
  a
• 35:55
  little
• 35:55
  more
• 35:55
  after
• 35:56
  that,
• 35:56
  doing
• 35:57
  books
• 35:57
  where
• 35:58
  I
• 35:58
  covered
• 35:58
  various
• 35:59
  players
• 36:00
  from
• 36:00
  different
• 36:00
  eras.
• 36:01
  But
• 36:02
  my
• 36:02
  last
• 36:02
  read
• 36:03
  through
• 36:03
  somebody
• 36:04
  press
• 36:04
  have
• 36:05
  basically
• 36:05
  dedicated
• 36:06
  to
• 36:06
  the
• 36:07
  dead
• 36:07
  ball
• 36:07
  era,
• 36:08
  which
• 36:08
  I
• 36:08
  find
• 36:08
  to
• 36:09
  be
• 36:09
  a
• 36:09
  fascinating
• 36:09
  era
• 36:10
  just
• 36:10
  because
• 36:10
  it
• 36:11
  kind
• 36:11
  of
• 36:11
  was
• 36:12
  the
• 36:12
  era
• 36:12
  that
• 36:13
  drove
• 36:14
  baseball
• 36:15
  at
• 36:15
  first
• 36:16
  as
• 36:16
  we
• 36:16
  kind
• 36:16
  of
• 36:17
  grew
• 36:17
  to
• 36:17
  know
• 36:17
  it
• 36:17
  through
• 36:18
  the
• 36:18
  ensuing
• 36:19
  decades.
• 36:19
  The
• 36:20
  dead
• 36:20
  ball
• 36:20
  era,
• 36:20
  of
• 36:20
  course
• 36:21
  being
• 36:21
  19,
• 36:22
  it's
• 36:23
  either
• 36:23
  1900
• 36:24
  or
• 36:24
  1901
• 36:25
  through
• 36:25
  1919,
• 36:27
  right
• 36:27
  before
• 36:27
  the
• 36:27
  Babe
• 36:28
  emerged
• 36:28
  on
• 36:29
  the
• 36:29
  scene
• 36:29
  with
• 36:30
  the
• 36:30
  Yankees
• 36:30
  in
• 36:30
  1920.
• 36:31
  It
• 36:32
  might
• 36:32
  be
• 36:32
  self
• 36:32
  explanatory,
• 36:33
  Ron,
• 36:34
  but.
• 36:34
  And
• 36:35
  explain
• 36:35
  to
• 36:35
  some
• 36:36
  folks
• 36:36
  who
• 36:36
  may
• 36:37
  not
• 36:37
  know
• 36:38
  what
• 36:38
  dead
• 36:38
  ball
• 36:39
  means.
• 36:40
  Well,
• 36:41
  the
• 36:41
  basic,
• 36:42
  if
• 36:42
  you
• 36:42
  get
• 36:42
  right
• 36:43
  down
• 36:43
  to
• 36:43
  the
• 36:43
  nuts
• 36:43
  and
• 36:43
  bolts
• 36:44
  of
• 36:44
  it,
• 36:44
  the
• 36:45
  baseball
• 36:45
  that
• 36:45
  was
• 36:45
  used
• 36:46
  during
• 36:47
  those
• 36:47
  years
• 36:50
  wasn't
• 36:51
  filled
• 36:51
  with
• 36:52
  a
• 36:52
  nice
• 36:53
  cork
• 36:54
  center
• 36:54
  that
• 36:54
  gave
• 36:55
  it
• 36:55
  a
• 36:55
  little
• 36:55
  bit
• 36:55
  of
• 36:55
  jump
• 36:56
  when
• 36:56
  you
• 36:56
  hit
• 36:56
  it
• 36:56
  off
• 36:56
  the
• 36:56
  bat.
• 36:58
  It
• 36:59
  was
• 36:59
  basically
• 37:00
  a
• 37:00
  dead
• 37:00
  ball.
• 37:01
  And
• 37:02
  those
• 37:02
  baseballs
• 37:03
  early
• 37:04
  on
• 37:04
  stayed
• 37:04
  in
• 37:04
  play
• 37:05
  for
• 37:05
  a
• 37:05
  while
• 37:05
  or
• 37:06
  when
• 37:06
  they
• 37:06
  went
• 37:06
  out
• 37:07
  of
• 37:07
  play.
• 37:07
  People
• 37:08
  were
• 37:08
  usually
• 37:08
  employed
• 37:09
  at
• 37:09
  the
• 37:09
  ballpark,
• 37:10
  usually
• 37:10
  young
• 37:12
  boys
• 37:13
  to
• 37:13
  go
• 37:13
  retrieve
• 37:14
  them,
• 37:14
  like
• 37:14
  if
• 37:15
  it
• 37:15
  went
• 37:15
  out
• 37:15
  into
• 37:16
  beyond
• 37:17
  the
• 37:17
  wall
• 37:18
  or
• 37:18
  over,
• 37:18
  you
• 37:19
  know,
• 37:19
  on
• 37:19
  a
• 37:19
  foul
• 37:19
  ball,
• 37:20
  because
• 37:20
  they
• 37:21
  continuously
• 37:21
  reuse
• 37:22
  them.
• 37:22
  And
• 37:22
  it
• 37:22
  was
• 37:23
  very
• 37:23
  difficult
• 37:23
  to
• 37:24
  actually,
• 37:24
  if
• 37:24
  you're
• 37:24
  a
• 37:24
  batter,
• 37:25
  sometimes
• 37:25
  pick
• 37:25
  it
• 37:25
  up
• 37:26
  because
• 37:27
  of
• 37:27
  the
• 37:27
  imperfections
• 37:29
  and
• 37:29
  obviously
• 37:30
  the
• 37:31
  sore
• 37:31
  nature
• 37:31
  of
• 37:31
  the
• 37:32
  baseball.
• 37:33
  Of
• 37:33
  course
• 37:33
  in
• 37:34
  that
• 37:34
  era
• 37:34
  too,
• 37:34
  you
• 37:34
  had
• 37:35
  the
• 37:35
  different
• 37:35
  tactics
• 37:35
  because
• 37:36
  the
• 37:36
  power
• 37:36
  game
• 37:37
  wasn't
• 37:37
  as
• 37:38
  prevalent
• 37:38
  because
• 37:39
  a
• 37:39
  lot
• 37:39
  of
• 37:39
  ballparks
• 37:39
  had
• 37:41
  spacious
• 37:41
  outfield
• 37:42
  distances.
• 37:43
  So
• 37:44
  it
• 37:44
  was
• 37:44
  more
• 37:44
  small
• 37:45
  ball,
• 37:45
  hit
• 37:45
  and
• 37:45
  run,
• 37:46
  steal
• 37:46
  bases
• 37:47
  and
• 37:47
  you
• 37:47
  know,
• 37:48
  station
• 37:48
  to
• 37:48
  station
• 37:49
  running,
• 37:50
  which
• 37:50
  Ty
• 37:50
  Cobb
• 37:51
  eventually
• 37:51
  of
• 37:51
  course
• 37:52
  perfected
• 37:52
  when
• 37:52
  he
• 37:53
  joined
• 37:53
  the
• 37:53
  Detroit
• 37:53
  Tigers
• 37:55
  in
• 37:55
  the
• 37:56
  middle
• 37:56
  of
• 37:56
  the
• 37:57
  first
• 37:57
  decade
• 37:57
  of
• 37:57
  the
• 37:58
  20th
• 37:58
  century.
• 37:59
  You
• 37:59
  can
• 38:00
  see
• 38:00
  folks
• 38:00
  by
• 38:00
  the
• 38:00
  home
• 38:01
  run
• 38:01
  totals
• 38:02
  of
• 38:02
  ball
• 38:02
  clubs.
• 38:03
  You
• 38:03
  had
• 38:04
  a
• 38:04
  guy
• 38:04
  like
• 38:04
  Frank
• 38:04
  Home
• 38:05
  Run
• 38:05
  Baker,
• 38:05
  I
• 38:06
  think
• 38:06
  he
• 38:06
  led
• 38:06
  the
• 38:06
  league
• 38:07
  with
• 38:07
  nine
• 38:07
  home
• 38:08
  runs
• 38:08
  one
• 38:08
  year.
• 38:08
  And
• 38:09
  that's
• 38:09
  because
• 38:10
  of
• 38:10
  the
• 38:10
  ball,
• 38:11
  the
• 38:11
  ball.
• 38:12
  You
• 38:12
  can
• 38:12
  google
• 38:12
  it.
• 38:12
  The
• 38:13
  Dead
• 38:13
  ball,
• 38:13
  and
• 38:13
  you'll
• 38:13
  see
• 38:14
  exactly
• 38:14
  what
• 38:14
  it's
• 38:14
  made
• 38:15
  of.
• 38:15
  They
• 38:15
  probably
• 38:15
  have
• 38:16
  one
• 38:16
  torn
• 38:16
  open,
• 38:17
  so
• 38:17
  you
• 38:17
  can
• 38:18
  take
• 38:18
  a
• 38:18
  look
• 38:18
  at
• 38:18
  it.
• 38:19
  Now,
• 38:19
  you
• 38:19
  talk
• 38:19
  about
• 38:20
  scoundrels
• 38:21
  in
• 38:21
  the
• 38:22
  book.
• 38:22
  Ron,
• 38:23
  give
• 38:24
  us
• 38:24
  an
• 38:24
  example
• 38:25
  of
• 38:25
  a
• 38:25
  scoundrel.
• 38:26
  It
• 38:26
  seemed
• 38:26
  like
• 38:27
  they
• 38:27
  had
• 38:27
  a
• 38:27
  lot
• 38:27
  of
• 38:28
  them
• 38:28
  back
• 38:28
  in
• 38:28
  those
• 38:28
  days.
• 38:30
  Yeah,
• 38:31
  well,
• 38:31
  before
• 38:32
  the
• 38:32
  1919
• 38:34
  White
• 38:34
  Sox
• 38:35
  were
• 38:36
  basically
• 38:36
  found
• 38:37
  out
• 38:37
  a
• 38:37
  year
• 38:37
  later
• 38:38
  that
• 38:38
  they
• 38:38
  conspired
• 38:39
  to
• 38:39
  throw
• 38:39
  that
• 38:39
  World
• 38:40
  Series
• 38:40
  against
• 38:40
  Cincinnati
• 38:41
  Reds,
• 38:42
  there
• 38:43
  was
• 38:43
  other
• 38:43
  gambling
• 38:44
  incidents
• 38:44
  that
• 38:44
  occurred,
• 38:45
  which
• 38:45
  two
• 38:46
  of
• 38:46
  them
• 38:46
  I
• 38:48
  put
• 38:49
  in
• 38:49
  the
• 38:49
  book.
• 38:49
  One
• 38:49
  has
• 38:50
  to
• 38:50
  do
• 38:50
  with
• 38:50
  Rube
• 38:50
  Waddell,
• 38:51
  the
• 38:51
  quirky,
• 38:52
  eccentric,
• 38:53
  odd,
• 38:54
  stalwart,
• 38:56
  southpaw
• 38:56
  pitcher
• 38:57
  of
• 38:57
  Connie
• 38:57
  Mack's
• 38:58
  Philadelphia
• 38:58
  athletics.
• 39:00
  And
• 39:00
  in
• 39:00
  1905,
• 39:02
  when
• 39:02
  they
• 39:03
  ended
• 39:03
  up
• 39:03
  losing
• 39:03
  to
• 39:03
  the
• 39:04
  New
• 39:04
  York
• 39:04
  Giants
• 39:04
  in
• 39:04
  the
• 39:05
  World
• 39:05
  Series,
• 39:07
  the
• 39:07
  question
• 39:07
  that
• 39:08
  was
• 39:08
  brought
• 39:08
  about
• 39:08
  was,
• 39:09
  did
• 39:09
  Rube
• 39:10
  suffer
• 39:10
  an
• 39:10
  arm
• 39:11
  injury
• 39:11
  or
• 39:11
  shoulder
• 39:12
  injury
• 39:12
  in
• 39:12
  September
• 39:14
  doing
• 39:14
  horseplay
• 39:15
  with
• 39:15
  teammate
• 39:15
  Andy
• 39:16
  Coakley
• 39:17
  over
• 39:18
  the
• 39:18
  fact
• 39:18
  that
• 39:18
  Coakley.
• 39:19
  Well,
• 39:19
  I
• 39:20
  think
• 39:20
  Rube
• 39:21
  appointed
• 39:21
  himself
• 39:22
  head
• 39:22
  of
• 39:23
  the
• 39:23
  committee
• 39:23
  to
• 39:23
  retrieve
• 39:24
  all
• 39:24
  straw
• 39:25
  hats,
• 39:25
  because
• 39:25
  by
• 39:25
  that
• 39:25
  point
• 39:26
  of
• 39:26
  the
• 39:26
  year,
• 39:26
  if
• 39:27
  you
• 39:27
  were
• 39:27
  a
• 39:28
  male
• 39:28
  wearing
• 39:29
  a
• 39:29
  straw
• 39:29
  hat,
• 39:29
  that
• 39:30
  was
• 39:30
  considered,
• 39:30
  I
• 39:30
  guess,
• 39:33
  bad
• 39:33
  fashion
• 39:33
  sense.
• 39:34
  So.
• 39:35
  And
• 39:36
  I
• 39:36
  guess
• 39:36
  he
• 39:36
  wanted
• 39:36
  to
• 39:37
  get
• 39:37
  Cochleaf
• 39:37
  because
• 39:38
  he
• 39:38
  hadn't
• 39:38
  retrieved
• 39:38
  his.
• 39:39
  And
• 39:39
  supposedly
• 39:40
  during
• 39:40
  that
• 39:40
  exchange,
• 39:41
  Cokely
• 39:41
  threw
• 39:42
  his
• 39:43
  suitcase
• 39:44
  at
• 39:44
  Rube,
• 39:44
  hit
• 39:45
  him
• 39:45
  in
• 39:45
  the
• 39:45
  shoulder.
• 39:45
  Now,
• 39:46
  that
• 39:46
  is
• 39:46
  the
• 39:47
  story.
• 39:48
  But
• 39:48
  then
• 39:48
  the
• 39:48
  other
• 39:49
  story
• 39:49
  that
• 39:49
  was
• 39:49
  revealed
• 39:50
  by
• 39:50
  two
• 39:50
  sports
• 39:51
  writers
• 39:51
  from
• 39:51
  Philly
• 39:51
  that
• 39:52
  year
• 39:52
  and
• 39:53
  later
• 39:53
  corroborated
• 39:54
  by
• 39:54
  Horace
• 39:54
  Fogel,
• 39:55
  one
• 39:55
  of
• 39:55
  those
• 39:55
  writers
• 39:55
  in
• 39:56
  1920
• 39:57
  when
• 39:57
  the
• 39:57
  White
• 39:57
  Sox
• 39:58
  information
• 39:58
  hit
• 39:59
  about
• 40:00
  the
• 40:00
  indictments
• 40:01
  and
• 40:01
  all
• 40:02
  that,
• 40:02
  is
• 40:02
  that
• 40:03
  gamblers
• 40:03
  from
• 40:03
  New
• 40:04
  York
• 40:04
  City
• 40:04
  actually
• 40:05
  paid
• 40:06
  Rube
• 40:06
  to
• 40:07
  fake
• 40:07
  an
• 40:07
  injury.
• 40:07
  So
• 40:08
  he
• 40:08
  did
• 40:08
  not
• 40:08
  pitch
• 40:08
  in
• 40:08
  the
• 40:08
  World
• 40:09
  Series
• 40:09
  that
• 40:09
  year
• 40:09
  against
• 40:09
  the
• 40:10
  Giants.
• 40:10
  And
• 40:11
  of
• 40:11
  course,
• 40:11
  in
• 40:11
  that
• 40:11
  World
• 40:11
  Series,
• 40:12
  Christy
• 40:12
  Mathewson
• 40:12
  was
• 40:13
  unbelievable.
• 40:14
  He
• 40:14
  tossed
• 40:16
  three
• 40:16
  shutouts
• 40:17
  and
• 40:17
  the
• 40:17
  Giants
• 40:17
  easily
• 40:18
  handled
• 40:18
  the
• 40:18
  Athletics.
• 40:20
  And
• 40:20
  at
• 40:20
  the
• 40:21
  time,
• 40:21
  even
• 40:21
  OMEC
• 40:21
  had
• 40:22
  Eddie
• 40:22
  Plank.
• 40:22
  Chief
• 40:23
  Bender
• 40:23
  Waddell
• 40:24
  was
• 40:24
  considered
• 40:25
  a
• 40:25
  staff
• 40:25
  face
• 40:26
  because
• 40:26
  he
• 40:26
  was
• 40:26
  a
• 40:26
  foul
• 40:27
  baller
• 40:27
  and,
• 40:27
  you
• 40:27
  know,
• 40:27
  he
• 40:28
  had
• 40:28
  high
• 40:28
  strikeout
• 40:28
  totals
• 40:29
  each
• 40:29
  year
• 40:29
  he
• 40:29
  pitched
• 40:29
  for
• 40:30
  the
• 40:30
  Athletics,
• 40:30
  as
• 40:30
  well
• 40:31
  as
• 40:31
  being
• 40:31
  a
• 40:32
  pretty
• 40:32
  dominant
• 40:32
  pitcher
• 40:33
  when
• 40:33
  he,
• 40:33
  you
• 40:33
  know,
• 40:33
  when
• 40:34
  the
• 40:34
  mood
• 40:34
  struck
• 40:34
  him
• 40:35
  if
• 40:35
  he
• 40:36
  wasn't
• 40:36
  distracted
• 40:37
  by
• 40:37
  other
• 40:37
  things.
• 40:38
  Yes,
• 40:38
  let's
• 40:39
  talk
• 40:39
  a
• 40:39
  little
• 40:39
  bit
• 40:39
  about
• 40:39
  that.
• 40:40
  We're
• 40:40
  going
• 40:40
  to
• 40:40
  spend
• 40:40
  a
• 40:41
  little
• 40:41
  time
• 40:41
  on
• 40:41
  Rube
• 40:42
  Waddell,
• 40:42
  folks.
• 40:43
  As
• 40:43
  a
• 40:43
  matter
• 40:43
  of
• 40:43
  fact,
• 40:44
  there's
• 40:44
  a
• 40:44
  girl
• 40:44
  I
• 40:44
  went
• 40:44
  to
• 40:45
  high
• 40:45
  school
• 40:45
  with,
• 40:45
  her
• 40:45
  name
• 40:46
  is
• 40:46
  Sharon
• 40:46
  Waddell,
• 40:47
  and
• 40:47
  she
• 40:48
  told
• 40:48
  me
• 40:49
  that
• 40:49
  she
• 40:49
  is
• 40:49
  related
• 40:50
  to
• 40:50
  Rube
• 40:51
  Dist
• 40:51
  somehow,
• 40:52
  which
• 40:52
  I
• 40:53
  think
• 40:53
  is
• 40:53
  great,
• 40:55
  but
• 40:56
  I
• 40:56
  guess
• 40:56
  it's
• 40:56
  not
• 40:56
  something
• 40:57
  that
• 40:57
  you
• 40:57
  want
• 40:58
  to
• 40:58
  tell
• 40:58
  a
• 40:58
  lot
• 40:58
  of
• 40:58
  folks
• 40:59
  about.
• 41:00
  Why
• 41:00
  was
• 41:00
  he
• 41:01
  considered
• 41:02
  easily
• 41:02
  distracted?
• 41:04
  What
• 41:04
  was
• 41:05
  this
• 41:06
  guy's
• 41:06
  special
• 41:07
  needs?
• 41:08
  What's
• 41:09
  up
• 41:09
  with
• 41:09
  Rube
• 41:09
  Waddell?
• 41:11
  There
• 41:12
  are
• 41:12
  some
• 41:12
  historians
• 41:13
  that
• 41:13
  feel
• 41:13
  he
• 41:14
  had
• 41:14
  a
• 41:14
  learning
• 41:14
  disorder.
• 41:15
  It's
• 41:16
  a
• 41:16
  tough
• 41:16
  pipe
• 41:17
  ripple
• 41:17
  to
• 41:17
  walk.
• 41:18
  I've
• 41:18
  read
• 41:18
  quotes
• 41:19
  from
• 41:19
  him
• 41:20
  and
• 41:20
  I
• 41:21
  guess
• 41:21
  to
• 41:21
  quote
• 41:21
  a
• 41:21
  phrase
• 41:22
  from
• 41:22
  when
• 41:22
  I
• 41:22
  was
• 41:22
  younger,
• 41:23
  there
• 41:23
  were
• 41:23
  times
• 41:23
  where
• 41:23
  if
• 41:24
  you
• 41:24
  read
• 41:24
  some
• 41:24
  of
• 41:24
  his
• 41:24
  quotes,
• 41:25
  he
• 41:25
  sort
• 41:25
  of
• 41:25
  waxed
• 41:26
  philosophic,
• 41:27
  especially
• 41:27
  when
• 41:28
  he
• 41:28
  did.
• 41:28
  Sometimes
• 41:29
  he
• 41:29
  acted
• 41:29
  in
• 41:30
  plays.
• 41:30
  I
• 41:31
  know
• 41:31
  one
• 41:31
  of
• 41:31
  the
• 41:31
  plays
• 41:32
  he
• 41:33
  participated
• 41:34
  in
• 41:34
  was
• 41:34
  called
• 41:34
  the
• 41:34
  Stain
• 41:35
  of
• 41:35
  Guilt.
• 41:36
  In
• 41:36
  interviews
• 41:37
  of
• 41:37
  him
• 41:37
  over
• 41:38
  that,
• 41:38
  he
• 41:38
  sounded
• 41:38
  like
• 41:39
  he
• 41:39
  was
• 41:39
  actually
• 41:39
  a
• 41:40
  Barrymore
• 41:41
  type
• 41:41
  actor
• 41:42
  with
• 41:42
  how
• 41:43
  astute
• 41:43
  he
• 41:43
  was
• 41:43
  in
• 41:44
  describing
• 41:44
  the
• 41:45
  things
• 41:45
  he
• 41:45
  did.
• 41:47
  A
• 41:47
  lot
• 41:48
  of
• 41:48
  people
• 41:49
  kind
• 41:49
  of
• 41:49
  give
• 41:49
  the
• 41:50
  misconception
• 41:50
  on
• 41:52
  his
• 41:53
  penchant
• 41:53
  for
• 41:54
  abandoning
• 41:55
  a
• 41:55
  ball
• 41:55
  game
• 41:56
  when
• 41:56
  fire
• 41:56
  trucks
• 41:57
  went
• 41:57
  by.
• 41:58
  It
• 41:58
  kind
• 41:59
  of
• 41:59
  made
• 41:59
  it
• 41:59
  like
• 41:59
  he
• 41:59
  was
• 42:00
  a
• 42:00
  young
• 42:01
  boy
• 42:01
  at
• 42:01
  heart
• 42:02
  who
• 42:03
  chased
• 42:03
  fire
• 42:03
  engines,
• 42:04
  when
• 42:04
  in
• 42:05
  reality
• 42:05
  he
• 42:05
  actually
• 42:06
  was
• 42:06
  very
• 42:06
  dedicated
• 42:07
  to
• 42:07
  helping
• 42:08
  firefighters
• 42:10
  battle
• 42:10
  blazes
• 42:11
  and
• 42:12
  was
• 42:13
  very
• 42:13
  heroic
• 42:13
  on
• 42:14
  instances
• 42:14
  where
• 42:14
  he
• 42:14
  actually
• 42:15
  risked
• 42:15
  his
• 42:15
  life
• 42:15
  to
• 42:16
  save,
• 42:17
  like,
• 42:17
  property
• 42:19
  or
• 42:19
  people
• 42:20
  or,
• 42:20
  you
• 42:20
  know,
• 42:21
  sometimes
• 42:21
  it
• 42:21
  would
• 42:21
  be
• 42:21
  a
• 42:21
  farmhouse,
• 42:22
  like
• 42:23
  livestock.
• 42:24
  And
• 42:24
  he
• 42:24
  took
• 42:25
  it
• 42:25
  seriously.
• 42:25
  So
• 42:26
  it
• 42:26
  wasn't
• 42:26
  like
• 42:26
  he
• 42:27
  was
• 42:27
  just,
• 42:27
  hey,
• 42:27
  I
• 42:28
  hear
• 42:28
  the
• 42:28
  clang
• 42:28
  of
• 42:29
  fire
• 42:29
  engines.
• 42:29
  I'm
• 42:29
  like
• 42:30
  the
• 42:30
  little
• 42:30
  boy
• 42:30
  that
• 42:30
  loved
• 42:31
  it
• 42:31
  so
• 42:31
  much.
• 42:32
  He
• 42:32
  heard
• 42:32
  me
• 42:32
  and
• 42:33
  he
• 42:33
  felt,
• 42:33
  hey,
• 42:34
  I
• 42:34
  have
• 42:34
  to
• 42:34
  like,
• 42:35
  rush
• 42:35
  to
• 42:35
  help,
• 42:36
  you
• 42:37
  know,
• 42:37
  aid
• 42:37
  in
• 42:37
  this
• 42:38
  effort.
• 42:38
  Like,
• 42:38
  of
• 42:39
  course.
• 42:39
  Spanking.
• 42:40
  Yeah.
• 42:41
  Was
• 42:41
  that.
• 42:42
  Yeah,
• 42:42
  he
• 42:42
  shouldn't
• 42:42
  have
• 42:42
  been
• 42:43
  running
• 42:43
  away
• 42:43
  from
• 42:44
  being
• 42:44
  in
• 42:44
  the
• 42:44
  middle
• 42:44
  of
• 42:44
  the
• 42:44
  game.
• 42:45
  He
• 42:45
  was
• 42:45
  pitching,
• 42:45
  but
• 42:46
  that
• 42:47
  was
• 42:47
  rude.
• 42:47
  Yeah,
• 42:48
  we've
• 42:48
  had
• 42:48
  a
• 42:48
  calling
• 42:49
  sometimes.
• 42:49
  I
• 42:49
  mean,
• 42:49
  he
• 42:50
  just,
• 42:50
  you
• 42:50
  know,
• 42:50
  if
• 42:51
  it
• 42:51
  was,
• 42:51
  hey,
• 42:51
  I'm
• 42:51
  going
• 42:51
  to
• 42:51
  do
• 42:52
  this,
• 42:52
  or
• 42:53
  I
• 42:53
  prefer
• 42:53
  to
• 42:53
  10
• 42:54
  bar
• 42:55
  somewhere.
• 42:56
  And
• 42:57
  rather
• 42:57
  than
• 42:58
  show
• 42:58
  up
• 42:58
  at
• 42:58
  the
• 42:58
  ballpark
• 42:59
  pitch
• 43:00
  that
• 43:00
  whatever
• 43:01
  struck
• 43:01
  his
• 43:01
  fancy
• 43:02
  at
• 43:02
  the
• 43:02
  time.
• 43:03
  Like
• 43:03
  I
• 43:04
  said
• 43:04
  in
• 43:04
  the
• 43:04
  beginning,
• 43:05
  Ron,
• 43:06
  in
• 43:06
  the
• 43:07
  intro
• 43:08
  to
• 43:08
  the
• 43:08
  show,
• 43:09
  he
• 43:10
  more
• 43:10
  or
• 43:10
  less,
• 43:10
  as
• 43:11
  Henry
• 43:11
  David
• 43:11
  Thoreau
• 43:12
  would
• 43:12
  say,
• 43:13
  marched
• 43:13
  to
• 43:14
  a
• 43:14
  beat
• 43:14
  of
• 43:14
  his
• 43:14
  own
• 43:15
  drummer.
• 43:16
  Oh,
• 43:16
  definitely,
• 43:17
  Definitely.
• 43:19
  And
• 43:20
  he's
• 43:20
  always
• 43:20
  intrigued
• 43:21
  me.
• 43:21
  He's
• 43:21
  in
• 43:21
  so
• 43:21
  many
• 43:22
  of
• 43:22
  my
• 43:22
  different
• 43:22
  books
• 43:23
  because
• 43:23
  he
• 43:24
  actually
• 43:24
  is
• 43:24
  from
• 43:24
  the
• 43:25
  Pittsburgh
• 43:25
  area.
• 43:26
  That's
• 43:27
  where
• 43:27
  his
• 43:27
  roots
• 43:27
  are.
• 43:28
  So
• 43:29
  that
• 43:29
  was.
• 43:29
  And
• 43:30
  he
• 43:30
  did
• 43:30
  pitch
• 43:30
  for
• 43:30
  the
• 43:31
  Pirates
• 43:32
  for
• 43:32
  a
• 43:33
  year
• 43:33
  and
• 43:33
  part
• 43:33
  of
• 43:33
  another
• 43:34
  year
• 43:34
  after
• 43:35
  the
• 43:35
  consolidation
• 43:36
  when
• 43:36
  the
• 43:37
  national
• 43:37
  league
• 43:38
  contracted
• 43:38
  from
• 43:39
  12
• 43:39
  teams
• 43:39
  to
• 43:39
  eight
• 43:40
  following
• 43:40
  the
• 43:40
  1899
• 43:41
  season
• 43:42
  and
• 43:43
  a
• 43:43
  bunch
• 43:43
  of
• 43:43
  Louisville
• 43:44
  players
• 43:44
  ended
• 43:44
  up
• 43:45
  coming
• 43:45
  to
• 43:45
  Pittsburgh.
• 43:46
  Kind
• 43:47
  of
• 43:47
  made
• 43:47
  a
• 43:47
  powerhouse
• 43:48
  team
• 43:48
  in
• 43:48
  that
• 43:49
  those
• 43:49
  first
• 43:49
  few
• 43:49
  years
• 43:50
  of
• 43:50
  the
• 43:50
  20th
• 43:50
  century.
• 43:51
  But
• 43:52
  yeah,
• 43:52
  Rube.
• 43:53
  Fred
• 43:53
  Clark
• 43:54
  Manager
• 43:54
  of
• 43:54
  the
• 43:54
  Pirates.
• 43:55
  Yes.
• 43:56
  He
• 43:56
  had
• 43:56
  no
• 43:56
  patience
• 43:56
  for
• 43:57
  Rube,
• 43:58
  whereas
• 43:58
  Connie
• 43:58
  Mack
• 43:59
  actually
• 43:59
  did
• 43:59
  exhibit
• 44:00
  great
• 44:00
  patience
• 44:00
  with
• 44:01
  his
• 44:01
  antics.
• 44:02
  And
• 44:02
  while
• 44:02
  he's
• 44:02
  drinking,
• 44:03
  unfortunately,
• 44:03
  he
• 44:03
  did
• 44:04
  have
• 44:04
  a
• 44:05
  drinking
• 44:05
  habit
• 44:05
  at
• 44:05
  times
• 44:06
  as
• 44:06
  well.
• 44:07
  All
• 44:07
  these
• 44:07
  guys
• 44:07
  did,
• 44:08
  though,
• 44:08
  back
• 44:08
  then.
• 44:09
  Yes,
• 44:11
  a
• 44:11
  good
• 44:11
  portion.
• 44:12
  I
• 44:12
  mean,
• 44:12
  you
• 44:12
  look
• 44:12
  at
• 44:13
  Lewis
• 44:14
  Hack
• 44:14
  Wilson,
• 44:15
  he
• 44:16
  died
• 44:16
  penniless.
• 44:18
  Ford
• 44:18
  Frick
• 44:19
  had
• 44:19
  to
• 44:19
  pay
• 44:19
  for
• 44:20
  his
• 44:20
  coffin.
• 44:21
  And
• 44:22
  he
• 44:23
  basically
• 44:24
  was
• 44:24
  a
• 44:25
  derelict
• 44:25
  at
• 44:25
  the
• 44:26
  time
• 44:26
  of
• 44:26
  his
• 44:26
  death.
• 44:27
  Yeah,
• 44:28
  unfortunate.
• 44:29
  Definitely
• 44:29
  unfortunate.
• 44:31
  And
• 44:31
  then
• 44:31
  of
• 44:31
  course,
• 44:31
  Dead
• 44:32
  Ball
• 44:32
  mayhem.
• 44:33
  Mike
• 44:34
  Donlon,
• 44:34
  who
• 44:34
  played
• 44:35
  for
• 44:35
  various
• 44:35
  teams
• 44:36
  before
• 44:36
  he
• 44:37
  hooked
• 44:37
  up
• 44:37
  with
• 44:37
  the
• 44:37
  giants
• 44:38
  and
• 44:38
  John
• 44:38
  McGraw,
• 44:40
  a
• 44:40
  lot
• 44:40
  of
• 44:40
  his
• 44:40
  issues
• 44:41
  came
• 44:42
  about
• 44:42
  because,
• 44:43
  yeah,
• 44:44
  he
• 44:44
  had
• 44:44
  an
• 44:44
  issue
• 44:44
  with
• 44:45
  drinking
• 44:45
  at
• 44:46
  times
• 44:47
  where
• 44:48
  he
• 44:48
  would
• 44:48
  be
• 44:49
  involved
• 44:49
  in
• 44:49
  incidents
• 44:50
  and
• 44:50
  stuff
• 44:50
  like
• 44:51
  that.
• 44:51
  Another
• 44:52
  hall
• 44:52
  of
• 44:52
  Famer
• 44:53
  who's
• 44:53
  a
• 44:54
  favorite
• 44:54
  of
• 44:54
  mine
• 44:55
  that
• 44:55
  you
• 44:55
  mention
• 44:56
  in
• 44:56
  the
• 44:56
  book.
• 44:56
  We
• 44:56
  have
• 44:56
  Ronald
• 44:57
  Waldo
• 44:58
  with
• 44:58
  us
• 44:58
  tonight
• 44:58
  discussing
• 44:59
  his
• 44:59
  latest
• 45:00
  book,
• 45:00
  Dead
• 45:01
  Ball
• 45:01
  Mayhem,
• 45:02
  Scoundrel,
• 45:02
  scandalous
• 45:03
  behavior
• 45:04
  and
• 45:05
  tragic
• 45:05
  events
• 45:06
  taking
• 45:07
  place
• 45:07
  back
• 45:07
  in
• 45:07
  that
• 45:07
  Dead
• 45:08
  Bull
• 45:08
  era.
• 45:09
  Big
• 45:09
  Ed
• 45:09
  Delahanty.
• 45:11
  Yes.
• 45:13
  Give
• 45:14
  us
• 45:14
  a
• 45:14
  little
• 45:14
  insight
• 45:15
  on
• 45:15
  Big
• 45:15
  Ed.
• 45:17
  Well,
• 45:17
  his
• 45:17
  tale
• 45:18
  was
• 45:18
  a
• 45:18
  little
• 45:18
  tragic.
• 45:20
  Great
• 45:21
  phenomenal
• 45:22
  hitter,
• 45:22
  had
• 45:22
  a
• 45:22
  lot
• 45:23
  of
• 45:23
  great
• 45:24
  years
• 45:24
  with
• 45:24
  the
• 45:24
  Philadelphia
• 45:25
  Phillies.
• 45:26
  And
• 45:27
  back
• 45:27
  in
• 45:28
  late
• 45:28
  1890s,
• 45:30
  the
• 45:30
  National
• 45:30
  League
• 45:31
  being
• 45:32
  the
• 45:32
  only
• 45:32
  game
• 45:33
  in
• 45:33
  town
• 45:34
  since
• 45:34
  1890,
• 45:35
  when
• 45:35
  the
• 45:35
  players
• 45:36
  started
• 45:36
  their
• 45:36
  one
• 45:37
  year,
• 45:37
  the
• 45:37
  players
• 45:37
  League
• 45:38
  of
• 45:39
  their
• 45:39
  own
• 45:39
  were
• 45:39
  actually
• 45:40
  was
• 45:40
  kind
• 45:40
  of
• 45:40
  your
• 45:40
  first
• 45:41
  free
• 45:41
  agency
• 45:42
  because
• 45:42
  guys
• 45:42
  were
• 45:43
  able
• 45:43
  to
• 45:43
  say,
• 45:44
  I'm
• 45:44
  leaving
• 45:44
  the
• 45:45
  National
• 45:45
  League.
• 45:45
  I'm
• 45:45
  going
• 45:45
  to
• 45:45
  get
• 45:46
  more
• 45:46
  money
• 45:46
  to
• 45:46
  play
• 45:46
  in
• 45:47
  our
• 45:47
  own
• 45:47
  form
• 45:47
  league
• 45:48
  that
• 45:49
  only
• 45:49
  lasted
• 45:49
  one
• 45:49
  year.
• 45:50
  The
• 45:50
  American
• 45:50
  association
• 45:51
  eventually
• 45:52
  faded
• 45:53
  as
• 45:53
  well
• 45:54
  in
• 45:54
  the
• 45:54
  early
• 45:55
  1890s.
• 45:56
  So
• 45:57
  Delahanty,
• 45:59
  like
• 45:59
  every
• 45:59
  other
• 45:59
  National
• 46:00
  League
• 46:00
  player,
• 46:00
  the
• 46:00
  maximum
• 46:01
  salary
• 46:01
  was
• 46:01
  $2,400.
• 46:03
  So
• 46:03
  when
• 46:04
  ban
• 46:04
  Johnson's
• 46:04
  American
• 46:05
  League
• 46:05
  came
• 46:05
  along
• 46:06
  as
• 46:06
  a
• 46:06
  minor
• 46:07
  league
• 46:07
  at
• 46:08
  first
• 46:08
  and
• 46:08
  then
• 46:09
  went
• 46:09
  to
• 46:09
  major
• 46:10
  league
• 46:10
  status
• 46:10
  in
• 46:10
  1901,
• 46:11
  that's
• 46:11
  when
• 46:12
  the
• 46:12
  war
• 46:12
  between
• 46:12
  the
• 46:12
  two
• 46:13
  leagues
• 46:13
  started
• 46:13
  and
• 46:14
  players
• 46:14
  started
• 46:14
  jumping
• 46:15
  contracts
• 46:16
  because
• 46:16
  the
• 46:17
  American
• 46:17
  League
• 46:17
  offered
• 46:18
  more
• 46:18
  money.
• 46:19
  And
• 46:19
  Delahanty
• 46:20
  and
• 46:20
  George
• 46:21
  Davis,
• 46:21
  who
• 46:22
  was
• 46:22
  with
• 46:22
  the
• 46:23
  White
• 46:23
  Sox
• 46:23
  and
• 46:24
  the
• 46:24
  Giants,
• 46:25
  they
• 46:25
  both
• 46:25
  actually
• 46:26
  in
• 46:26
  03
• 46:27
  signed
• 46:27
  with
• 46:27
  both
• 46:27
  teams.
• 46:30
  But
• 46:30
  then
• 46:30
  when
• 46:30
  the
• 46:30
  peace
• 46:30
  agreement
• 46:31
  was
• 46:31
  reached,
• 46:32
  a
• 46:32
  committee
• 46:33
  decided
• 46:34
  on
• 46:34
  disputed
• 46:34
  players.
• 46:35
  And
• 46:36
  while
• 46:37
  they
• 46:37
  awarded
• 46:37
  Delahanty
• 46:38
  back
• 46:38
  to
• 46:39
  Washington
• 46:39
  Senators,
• 46:41
  whereas
• 46:41
  he
• 46:41
  would
• 46:42
  have
• 46:42
  preferred
• 46:42
  to
• 46:42
  play
• 46:42
  for
• 46:42
  the
• 46:42
  Giants
• 46:43
  because
• 46:43
  he
• 46:43
  would
• 46:43
  have
• 46:43
  made
• 46:43
  more
• 46:44
  money
• 46:44
  with
• 46:44
  them.
• 46:44
  And
• 46:45
  that
• 46:45
  just
• 46:45
  kind
• 46:45
  of
• 46:46
  started
• 46:46
  the
• 46:46
  snowball
• 46:47
  effect
• 46:47
  of
• 46:48
  him
• 46:48
  drinking
• 46:48
  too
• 46:49
  heavily
• 46:49
  that
• 46:49
  year
• 46:50
  and
• 46:50
  the
• 46:51
  circumstances
• 46:52
  that
• 46:52
  led
• 46:52
  to
• 46:52
  him
• 46:53
  ending
• 46:53
  up
• 46:53
  on
• 46:53
  a
• 46:53
  train
• 46:54
  to
• 46:54
  try
• 46:54
  to
• 46:54
  get
• 46:54
  to
• 46:54
  New
• 46:55
  York
• 46:55
  to
• 46:55
  talk
• 46:55
  to
• 46:55
  McGraw
• 46:56
  one
• 46:56
  last
• 46:56
  time
• 46:57
  in
• 46:57
  July
• 46:57
  and
• 46:59
  he
• 46:59
  gets
• 46:59
  kicked
• 46:59
  off
• 47:00
  the
• 47:00
  train
• 47:00
  and
• 47:00
  he
• 47:00
  ends
• 47:00
  up
• 47:01
  as
• 47:01
  he's
• 47:01
  walking
• 47:01
  across
• 47:02
  the
• 47:02
  International
• 47:03
  Peace
• 47:03
  Bridge
• 47:03
  towards
• 47:04
  Buffalo
• 47:05
  after
• 47:05
  being
• 47:06
  dropped
• 47:06
  off
• 47:06
  in
• 47:06
  a
• 47:07
  place
• 47:07
  called
• 47:08
  Bridgeburg,
• 47:08
  Ontario.
• 47:10
  Falls
• 47:11
  off
• 47:11
  the
• 47:12
  bridge
• 47:12
  into
• 47:12
  Niagara
• 47:13
  river
• 47:13
  and
• 47:13
  drowns.
• 47:14
  And
• 47:14
  they
• 47:15
  find
• 47:15
  his
• 47:15
  body
• 47:16
  days
• 47:16
  later
• 47:17
  below
• 47:17
  Niagara
• 47:18
  Falls.
• 47:18
  Kind
• 47:18
  of
• 47:18
  a
• 47:19
  tragic
• 47:19
  tale
• 47:20
  that,
• 47:20
  you
• 47:20
  know,
• 47:21
  unfortunate
• 47:21
  tale.
• 47:24
  There
• 47:24
  are
• 47:24
  a
• 47:24
  few
• 47:24
  in
• 47:24
  the
• 47:25
  book,
• 47:25
  right?
• 47:26
  One
• 47:27
  of
• 47:27
  the
• 47:27
  tragic
• 47:28
  events
• 47:28
  that
• 47:29
  Ron
• 47:29
  Waldo
• 47:29
  mentions
• 47:30
  in
• 47:30
  Dead
• 47:30
  Ball
• 47:31
  Mayhem.
• 47:32
  The
• 47:32
  untimely
• 47:33
  death
• 47:33
  of
• 47:33
  Big
• 47:33
  Ed
• 47:34
  Delahanty,
• 47:34
  a
• 47:35
  great
• 47:35
  hitter
• 47:35
  back
• 47:35
  in
• 47:35
  the
• 47:36
  dead
• 47:36
  ball
• 47:36
  era.
• 47:37
  And
• 47:38
  there
• 47:38
  are
• 47:38
  even
• 47:39
  some
• 47:39
  suicides
• 47:40
  of
• 47:40
  ballplayers.
• 47:41
  Ron.
• 47:42
  Yes.
• 47:44
  Yeah,
• 47:45
  the
• 47:46
  chapter
• 47:46
  right
• 47:47
  before
• 47:47
  the
• 47:47
  Delahanty
• 47:48
  chapter.
• 47:49
  Pitcher
• 47:50
  named
• 47:50
  Win
• 47:50
  Mercer.
• 47:52
  And
• 47:52
  when
• 47:52
  I
• 47:53
  researched
• 47:53
  this
• 47:54
  individual
• 47:54
  and
• 47:55
  wrote
• 47:55
  about
• 47:55
  him,
• 47:55
  he
• 47:55
  actually,
• 47:56
  out
• 47:56
  of
• 47:57
  all
• 47:57
  the
• 47:57
  things
• 47:57
  I've
• 47:57
  covered,
• 47:58
  fascinated
• 47:58
  me
• 47:59
  the
• 47:59
  most.
• 47:59
  Here's
• 47:59
  a
• 47:59
  guy
• 48:00
  that
• 48:01
  debuted
• 48:01
  in
• 48:01
  the
• 48:01
  1890s
• 48:02
  when
• 48:03
  baseball
• 48:03
  players
• 48:03
  were
• 48:04
  considered
• 48:04
  rough
• 48:04
  around
• 48:05
  the
• 48:05
  edges,
• 48:06
  you
• 48:06
  know,
• 48:06
  not
• 48:06
  someone
• 48:07
  you
• 48:07
  would
• 48:07
  like
• 48:07
  your
• 48:07
  daughter
• 48:08
  to
• 48:08
  date,
• 48:09
  stuff
• 48:09
  like
• 48:09
  that.
• 48:10
  Here
• 48:10
  was
• 48:10
  Wynn
• 48:10
  Mercer.
• 48:11
  Charismatic,
• 48:12
  handsome,
• 48:13
  charming,
• 48:14
  did
• 48:14
  all
• 48:15
  the
• 48:15
  right
• 48:15
  things.
• 48:16
  First
• 48:16
  person
• 48:16
  as
• 48:17
  a
• 48:17
  pitcher
• 48:17
  who
• 48:17
  kept
• 48:18
  a
• 48:18
  book
• 48:18
  on
• 48:18
  the
• 48:19
  hitters
• 48:19
  in
• 48:19
  the
• 48:19
  league.
• 48:20
  Astute,
• 48:21
  played
• 48:22
  for
• 48:22
  some
• 48:22
  bad
• 48:22
  Washington
• 48:23
  teams,
• 48:23
  but
• 48:23
  still
• 48:24
  put
• 48:25
  up
• 48:25
  decent
• 48:25
  numbers
• 48:26
  for
• 48:26
  the
• 48:26
  1890s.
• 48:26
  The
• 48:27
  eras
• 48:27
  were
• 48:27
  high
• 48:28
  that
• 48:28
  year
• 48:28
  or
• 48:28
  that
• 48:29
  decade
• 48:29
  because
• 48:30
  the
• 48:30
  hitting
• 48:30
  was
• 48:30
  unbelievable
• 48:31
  then,
• 48:32
  but
• 48:33
  just
• 48:34
  a
• 48:34
  phenomenal
• 48:35
  individual.
• 48:37
  Ladies
• 48:39
  swarmed
• 48:39
  at
• 48:39
  a
• 48:40
  ballpark
• 48:40
  on
• 48:40
  Ladies
• 48:41
  Day
• 48:41
  because
• 48:41
  they
• 48:41
  find
• 48:41
  him
• 48:42
  so
• 48:42
  charming
• 48:42
  and
• 48:42
  charismatic.
• 48:44
  He
• 48:45
  stayed
• 48:45
  with
• 48:46
  Washington
• 48:46
  and
• 48:47
  then
• 48:47
  Washington
• 48:47
  was
• 48:48
  one
• 48:48
  of
• 48:48
  the
• 48:48
  contracted
• 48:49
  teams,
• 48:49
  moved
• 48:50
  on
• 48:50
  to
• 48:50
  a
• 48:50
  few
• 48:50
  other
• 48:51
  teams.
• 48:51
  But
• 48:52
  he
• 48:52
  had
• 48:52
  the
• 48:52
  one
• 48:52
  vice,
• 48:53
  the
• 48:53
  one
• 48:53
  thing
• 48:54
  that
• 48:54
  kind
• 48:54
  of
• 48:54
  brought
• 48:55
  him
• 48:55
  down.
• 48:55
  He
• 48:56
  loved
• 48:56
  the
• 48:56
  gamble
• 48:57
  and
• 48:57
  especially
• 48:58
  betting
• 48:58
  at
• 48:58
  the
• 48:59
  racetracks
• 48:59
  at.
• 49:00
  On
• 49:00
  the
• 49:00
  ponies.
• 49:02
  And
• 49:02
  in
• 49:02
  1903,
• 49:03
  the
• 49:03
  second
• 49:04
  year
• 49:04
  in
• 49:04
  a
• 49:04
  row,
• 49:05
  during
• 49:05
  a
• 49:05
  barnstorming
• 49:06
  trip
• 49:06
  out
• 49:06
  to
• 49:06
  California,
• 49:08
  he
• 49:09
  was
• 49:09
  like
• 49:09
  the
• 49:10
  team
• 49:10
  treasurer
• 49:11
  as
• 49:11
  well
• 49:11
  as
• 49:11
  he
• 49:11
  kind
• 49:11
  of
• 49:12
  helped
• 49:12
  with
• 49:12
  the
• 49:12
  managerial
• 49:13
  aspect
• 49:14
  of
• 49:14
  the
• 49:14
  team.
• 49:15
  It
• 49:15
  was
• 49:15
  a
• 49:15
  team
• 49:15
  of
• 49:15
  all
• 49:15
  stars
• 49:16
  from
• 49:16
  both
• 49:16
  the
• 49:16
  National
• 49:17
  American
• 49:17
  Leagues.
• 49:18
  We
• 49:19
  committed
• 49:19
  suicide
• 49:20
  in
• 49:20
  San
• 49:20
  Francisco.
• 49:21
  There
• 49:21
  was
• 49:22
  speculation
• 49:22
  if
• 49:22
  the
• 49:22
  family
• 49:23
  thought
• 49:23
  someone
• 49:23
  murdered
• 49:24
  him
• 49:25
  over
• 49:26
  stuff
• 49:26
  related
• 49:26
  to
• 49:26
  his
• 49:27
  gambling,
• 49:28
  that
• 49:28
  he
• 49:28
  may
• 49:28
  have
• 49:28
  been
• 49:28
  in
• 49:29
  debt.
• 49:30
  Police
• 49:31
  thought
• 49:31
  that
• 49:32
  he
• 49:32
  might
• 49:32
  have
• 49:32
  absconded
• 49:33
  with
• 49:33
  funds
• 49:34
  that
• 49:35
  the
• 49:36
  traveling
• 49:36
  team
• 49:37
  had,
• 49:37
  you
• 49:37
  know,
• 49:38
  earned
• 49:38
  on
• 49:38
  their
• 49:39
  trip
• 49:39
  to
• 49:39
  pay
• 49:40
  off
• 49:40
  debts.
• 49:40
  But
• 49:40
  the
• 49:41
  players
• 49:41
  said
• 49:41
  that
• 49:41
  wasn't
• 49:42
  true.
• 49:43
  But
• 49:43
  I
• 49:43
  just
• 49:43
  find
• 49:44
  this
• 49:44
  individual
• 49:44
  absolutely
• 49:45
  fascinating
• 49:46
  just
• 49:46
  because
• 49:46
  of.
• 49:47
  Yeah,
• 49:48
  he
• 49:49
  stuck.
• 49:49
  Stuck
• 49:49
  out
• 49:50
  in
• 49:50
  that
• 49:50
  error,
• 49:51
  I
• 49:51
  guess,
• 49:52
  compared
• 49:52
  to
• 49:52
  that
• 49:52
  rough
• 49:53
  and
• 49:53
  fumble
• 49:53
  type
• 49:53
  of
• 49:53
  ball
• 49:54
  player.
• 49:55
  So
• 49:55
  many.
• 49:56
  Yeah,
• 49:57
  so
• 49:57
  many
• 49:58
  of
• 49:58
  them
• 49:58
  back
• 49:58
  then,
• 49:59
  Ron,
• 50:00
  like
• 50:00
  you
• 50:00
  bring
• 50:00
  out
• 50:01
  in
• 50:01
  the
• 50:01
  book.
• 50:02
  And
• 50:02
  then
• 50:02
  along
• 50:03
  comes
• 50:03
  a
• 50:03
  gentleman
• 50:04
  who
• 50:04
  really
• 50:05
  changes
• 50:05
  the
• 50:05
  game
• 50:05
  and
• 50:06
  revolutionizes
• 50:07
  it
• 50:07
  in
• 50:07
  so
• 50:07
  many
• 50:07
  ways.
• 50:08
  Tyrus
• 50:09
  Raymond
• 50:09
  Cobb,
• 50:10
  the
• 50:10
  Georgia
• 50:10
  Peach.
• 50:11
  That's
• 50:12
  true.
• 50:12
  Yes,
• 50:14
  very
• 50:15
  temperamental
• 50:16
  individual
• 50:16
  at
• 50:16
  times.
• 50:18
  A
• 50:18
  lot
• 50:18
  of
• 50:19
  things
• 50:19
  seem
• 50:19
  to
• 50:19
  revolve
• 50:20
  around
• 50:20
  him.
• 50:20
  Some
• 50:21
  of
• 50:21
  his
• 50:21
  own
• 50:21
  doing,
• 50:22
  some
• 50:22
  not
• 50:22
  of
• 50:22
  his
• 50:22
  own
• 50:23
  doing.
• 50:24
  And
• 50:24
  of
• 50:25
  course,
• 50:26
  you
• 50:26
  had
• 50:26
  mentioned
• 50:26
  home
• 50:27
  run
• 50:27
  Baker
• 50:27
  earlier
• 50:28
  in
• 50:28
  1909,
• 50:29
  a
• 50:29
  famous
• 50:29
  incident
• 50:30
  where
• 50:30
  he
• 50:30
  spiked
• 50:31
  home
• 50:31
  run
• 50:31
  Baker
• 50:32
  third
• 50:32
  base
• 50:33
  when
• 50:33
  both
• 50:33
  of
• 50:33
  those
• 50:33
  teams
• 50:34
  were
• 50:34
  battling
• 50:34
  for
• 50:34
  American
• 50:35
  link
• 50:35
  pennant
• 50:35
  and
• 50:36
  came
• 50:36
  in
• 50:36
  late
• 50:36
  in
• 50:36
  the
• 50:37
  season.
• 50:37
  Now,
• 50:38
  Ty's
• 50:38
  theory,
• 50:39
  which
• 50:39
  a
• 50:39
  lot
• 50:39
  of
• 50:40
  players
• 50:40
  from
• 50:40
  the
• 50:40
  dead
• 50:40
  ball
• 50:41
  era
• 50:41
  adhere
• 50:41
  to,
• 50:42
  was
• 50:42
  that
• 50:42
  the
• 50:42
  baseline
• 50:43
  belonged
• 50:43
  to
• 50:43
  the
• 50:44
  baserunner.
• 50:45
  And
• 50:45
  if
• 50:45
  a
• 50:46
  builder
• 50:46
  got
• 50:46
  in
• 50:47
  the
• 50:47
  way
• 50:47
  of
• 50:47
  that,
• 50:47
  he
• 50:47
  did
• 50:48
  so
• 50:48
  at
• 50:48
  his
• 50:48
  own
• 50:48
  peril.
• 50:49
  And
• 50:50
  that
• 50:50
  was
• 50:51
  kind
• 50:51
  of
• 50:51
  the
• 50:51
  mantra.
• 50:53
  But
• 50:54
  he
• 50:54
  did
• 50:54
  take
• 50:55
  a
• 50:55
  lot
• 50:55
  of
• 50:55
  grief
• 50:56
  for
• 50:56
  that.
• 50:57
  And
• 50:57
  then
• 50:57
  a
• 50:58
  couple
• 50:58
  weeks
• 50:58
  later,
• 50:58
  he
• 50:59
  accidentally
• 50:59
  spiked
• 51:01
  Baker's
• 51:02
  teammate,
• 51:02
  shortstop
• 51:03
  Jack
• 51:03
  Barry.
• 51:04
  Now,
• 51:04
  in
• 51:04
  that
• 51:04
  incident,
• 51:05
  everybody
• 51:06
  kind
• 51:06
  of
• 51:06
  knew
• 51:06
  it
• 51:06
  was
• 51:06
  accidental,
• 51:07
  whereas
• 51:08
  there
• 51:08
  was
• 51:08
  a
• 51:08
  perception,
• 51:09
  like
• 51:09
  a
• 51:09
  5050
• 51:10
  perception
• 51:10
  on
• 51:10
  the
• 51:11
  Baker
• 51:11
  incident
• 51:11
  where
• 51:11
  it
• 51:12
  was
• 51:12
  like
• 51:12
  on
• 51:12
  purpose
• 51:13
  accidental.
• 51:14
  But
• 51:14
  with
• 51:15
  Barry
• 51:15
  everybody
• 51:15
  knew
• 51:16
  it
• 51:16
  was
• 51:16
  actually.
• 51:16
  Whereas
• 51:17
  Barry
• 51:17
  actually
• 51:17
  told
• 51:18
  Ty
• 51:18
  Cobb
• 51:19
  not
• 51:19
  to
• 51:19
  worry
• 51:19
  about
• 51:19
  it
• 51:20
  because
• 51:20
  you
• 51:21
  know
• 51:21
  he
• 51:21
  didn't
• 51:21
  do
• 51:21
  it
• 51:21
  on
• 51:21
  purpose.
• 51:22
  But
• 51:22
  that
• 51:22
  one
• 51:23
  bothered
• 51:23
  him
• 51:23
  because
• 51:23
  he
• 51:23
  said
• 51:24
  that
• 51:24
  was
• 51:24
  the
• 51:24
  worst
• 51:24
  he
• 51:24
  had
• 51:24
  injured
• 51:25
  anybody
• 51:26
  up
• 51:26
  to
• 51:26
  that
• 51:26
  point.
• 51:26
  It
• 51:27
  actually
• 51:27
  bothered
• 51:27
  him
• 51:27
  for
• 51:28
  a
• 51:28
  few
• 51:28
  days
• 51:29
  after
• 51:29
  that
• 51:30
  when
• 51:30
  they
• 51:30
  moved
• 51:30
  on
• 51:30
  to
• 51:30
  the
• 51:30
  next
• 51:31
  city
• 51:31
  to
• 51:31
  play.
• 51:33
  Do
• 51:33
  you
• 51:33
  bring
• 51:34
  out
• 51:34
  in
• 51:34
  the
• 51:34
  book,
• 51:35
  I
• 51:35
  didn't
• 51:36
  see
• 51:36
  it
• 51:36
  myself,
• 51:37
  anything
• 51:37
  about
• 51:37
  the
• 51:38
  fights
• 51:38
  that
• 51:38
  Ty
• 51:39
  Cobb
• 51:39
  got
• 51:39
  into?
• 51:40
  Supposedly
• 51:41
  legend
• 51:41
  has
• 51:41
  it
• 51:42
  he
• 51:42
  got
• 51:42
  into
• 51:42
  a
• 51:42
  fight
• 51:43
  with
• 51:43
  a
• 51:43
  man
• 51:43
  with
• 51:44
  no
• 51:44
  hands.
• 51:45
  Yes,
• 51:46
  that
• 51:46
  is
• 51:46
  the
• 51:46
  key
• 51:47
  part
• 51:47
  of
• 51:47
  that
• 51:49
  chapter
• 51:49
  on
• 51:49
  him.
• 51:50
  It's
• 51:50
  near
• 51:50
  the
• 51:50
  end
• 51:51
  and
• 51:51
  it
• 51:51
  kind
• 51:51
  of
• 51:51
  morphs
• 51:51
  into
• 51:52
  the
• 51:52
  next
• 51:52
  chapter
• 51:53
  which
• 51:53
  leads
• 51:53
  into
• 51:54
  the
• 51:54
  Carl
• 51:54
  Mays
• 51:54
  chapter.
• 51:55
  The
• 51:55
  pitch
• 51:55
  for
• 51:55
  the
• 51:55
  Red
• 51:56
  Sox
• 51:56
  and
• 51:56
  Yankees.
• 51:57
  Yes,
• 51:57
  Claude
• 51:58
  Lucker
• 51:59
  when
• 51:59
  the
• 52:00
  Tigers
• 52:01
  were
• 52:01
  playing
• 52:02
  New
• 52:02
  York.
• 52:03
  Yeah,
• 52:03
  he
• 52:03
  ran.
• 52:03
  He
• 52:04
  basically
• 52:04
  four
• 52:04
  game
• 52:05
  series,
• 52:05
  they,
• 52:06
  he
• 52:07
  singled
• 52:07
  him
• 52:08
  out
• 52:08
  as
• 52:08
  the
• 52:08
  person
• 52:08
  doing
• 52:08
  most
• 52:09
  of
• 52:09
  the
• 52:09
  abusing.
• 52:09
  They
• 52:10
  put
• 52:10
  the
• 52:10
  fans
• 52:10
  into
• 52:11
  one
• 52:11
  section
• 52:12
  over
• 52:13
  by
• 52:13
  third,
• 52:14
  I
• 52:14
  guess
• 52:14
  the
• 52:15
  third
• 52:15
  base
• 52:15
  dugout
• 52:16
  abused
• 52:16
  him
• 52:17
  throughout
• 52:17
  the
• 52:17
  whole
• 52:17
  four
• 52:18
  game
• 52:18
  series.
• 52:18
  And
• 52:18
  by
• 52:19
  the
• 52:19
  last
• 52:19
  game
• 52:19
  on
• 52:19
  a
• 52:19
  Wednesday
• 52:20
  afternoon,
• 52:21
  he
• 52:21
  just
• 52:21
  couldn't
• 52:22
  take
• 52:22
  it
• 52:22
  anymore,
• 52:23
  so
• 52:23
  he
• 52:23
  rushed
• 52:24
  up
• 52:24
  to
• 52:24
  the
• 52:24
  stands.
• 52:25
  Now,
• 52:25
  one
• 52:25
  baseball
• 52:26
  writer
• 52:26
  from
• 52:26
  that
• 52:27
  era,
• 52:27
  right
• 52:27
  now,
• 52:28
  the
• 52:28
  name
• 52:28
  escapes
• 52:29
  me,
• 52:29
  claimed
• 52:30
  that
• 52:30
  they
• 52:30
  knew
• 52:30
  each
• 52:30
  other
• 52:31
  from
• 52:31
  the
• 52:31
  Georgia
• 52:32
  days
• 52:32
  as
• 52:33
  competing
• 52:33
  athletes
• 52:34
  in
• 52:34
  different
• 52:34
  sports.
• 52:34
  And
• 52:35
  they
• 52:35
  kind
• 52:35
  of
• 52:35
  had
• 52:35
  a
• 52:35
  feud
• 52:36
  then
• 52:36
  too.
• 52:37
  So.
• 52:38
  But
• 52:38
  yeah,
• 52:38
  you're
• 52:39
  right
• 52:39
  about
• 52:39
  no
• 52:40
  hands
• 52:40
  because
• 52:40
  he
• 52:40
  was
• 52:41
  a
• 52:42
  pressman
• 52:43
  for
• 52:43
  newspapers
• 52:43
  and
• 52:44
  he
• 52:44
  lost,
• 52:45
  I
• 52:46
  think
• 52:46
  most
• 52:46
  of
• 52:46
  one
• 52:46
  hand
• 52:46
  and
• 52:47
  part
• 52:47
  of
• 52:47
  the
• 52:47
  other
• 52:47
  in
• 52:47
  a
• 52:48
  accident
• 52:49
  with
• 52:49
  a
• 52:49
  press.
• 52:51
  What
• 52:52
  an
• 52:52
  ugly
• 52:52
  story
• 52:53
  that
• 52:53
  is,
• 52:53
  man.
• 52:55
  But
• 52:55
  the
• 52:55
  thing
• 52:55
  that
• 52:55
  was
• 52:56
  the
• 52:56
  big
• 52:56
  thing
• 52:56
  that
• 52:57
  came
• 52:57
  out
• 52:57
  of
• 52:57
  that
• 52:57
  Was
• 52:58
  Dan
• 52:59
  Johnson.
• 52:59
  American
• 52:59
  League
• 53:00
  president
• 53:00
  suspended
• 53:00
  him
• 53:01
  without
• 53:01
  due
• 53:01
  process.
• 53:02
  He
• 53:03
  basically
• 53:03
  suspended
• 53:04
  him
• 53:04
  indefinitely
• 53:04
  without
• 53:05
  really
• 53:05
  hearing,
• 53:06
  having
• 53:06
  a
• 53:06
  hearing
• 53:06
  and
• 53:07
  hearing
• 53:07
  anybody
• 53:08
  like
• 53:08
  Ty
• 53:08
  side
• 53:09
  of
• 53:09
  the
• 53:09
  story.
• 53:10
  So
• 53:10
  his
• 53:10
  teammates
• 53:11
  actually
• 53:11
  went
• 53:11
  out
• 53:12
  on
• 53:12
  strike
• 53:12
  for
• 53:12
  one
• 53:13
  game.
• 53:14
  And
• 53:14
  manager
• 53:15
  Hughie
• 53:15
  Jennings
• 53:16
  had
• 53:16
  to
• 53:16
  get
• 53:16
  a
• 53:16
  bunch
• 53:16
  of
• 53:17
  semi
• 53:17
  pro
• 53:17
  players
• 53:18
  and
• 53:19
  collegians
• 53:19
  to
• 53:20
  play
• 53:20
  against
• 53:20
  the
• 53:20
  Athletics.
• 53:22
  And
• 53:22
  the
• 53:22
  Athletics
• 53:22
  end
• 53:23
  up
• 53:23
  winning
• 53:23
  that
• 53:23
  game
• 53:23
  24
• 53:24
  to
• 53:24
  2.
• 53:25
  Now
• 53:26
  one
• 53:26
  interesting
• 53:26
  thing
• 53:26
  is
• 53:27
  one
• 53:27
  of
• 53:27
  the
• 53:27
  people
• 53:27
  that
• 53:28
  played,
• 53:28
  I
• 53:28
  think
• 53:28
  third
• 53:28
  base
• 53:29
  for
• 53:29
  that
• 53:29
  team.
• 53:30
  Does
• 53:31
  the
• 53:31
  name
• 53:31
  Billy
• 53:31
  Maharg
• 53:32
  ring
• 53:32
  a
• 53:32
  bell
• 53:33
  to
• 53:33
  you?
• 53:33
  Yeah,
• 53:34
  he
• 53:34
  was
• 53:34
  part
• 53:34
  of
• 53:34
  the
• 53:34
  1990s.
• 53:36
  Yeah.
• 53:37
  Yep,
• 53:37
  yep.
• 53:38
  The
• 53:38
  boxer
• 53:39
  that
• 53:39
  was
• 53:39
  part
• 53:39
  of
• 53:39
  the
• 53:39
  1919
• 53:40
  scandal.
• 53:41
  Yeah.
• 53:41
  Wow.
• 53:42
  Small
• 53:43
  world,
• 53:43
  right,
• 53:43
  Ron?
• 53:44
  It's
• 53:45
  just.
• 53:45
  It's
• 53:45
  just
• 53:45
  weird
• 53:46
  how
• 53:46
  that
• 53:46
  happens
• 53:46
  sometimes.
• 53:48
  Yeah.
• 53:52
  How
• 53:52
  did
• 53:52
  you
• 53:52
  do
• 53:53
  your
• 53:53
  research
• 53:53
  for
• 53:53
  the
• 53:54
  book?
• 53:54
  Did
• 53:54
  you
• 53:54
  go
• 53:55
  to
• 53:55
  Cooperstown?
• 53:56
  How
• 53:56
  did
• 53:56
  you
• 53:56
  find
• 53:57
  most
• 53:57
  of
• 53:57
  your
• 53:57
  material?
• 53:58
  Well,
• 53:59
  I'm
• 53:59
  a
• 53:59
  member
• 53:59
  of
• 53:59
  the
• 54:00
  Society
• 54:00
  for
• 54:00
  American
• 54:01
  Baseball
• 54:01
  Research.
• 54:01
  So
• 54:02
  they
• 54:02
  have
• 54:02
  a
• 54:02
  great
• 54:02
  amount
• 54:03
  of
• 54:03
  resources
• 54:04
  through
• 54:04
  their
• 54:04
  thing
• 54:05
  online
• 54:05
  and
• 54:06
  that's
• 54:06
  where
• 54:07
  most
• 54:07
  of
• 54:07
  it.
• 54:08
  I
• 54:08
  did
• 54:08
  it
• 54:09
  that
• 54:09
  way.
• 54:11
  You
• 54:12
  know,
• 54:12
  stuff,
• 54:13
  you
• 54:13
  know,
• 54:14
  it's
• 54:14
  just
• 54:14
  diligent
• 54:15
  checking,
• 54:16
  double
• 54:16
  checking
• 54:16
  on
• 54:17
  things.
• 54:18
  I
• 54:18
  mean,
• 54:18
  some
• 54:18
  of
• 54:19
  these
• 54:19
  individuals.
• 54:19
  I
• 54:19
  know
• 54:21
  there's
• 54:21
  been
• 54:21
  obviously
• 54:22
  biographies
• 54:22
  on
• 54:23
  Cobb,
• 54:24
  but
• 54:24
  the
• 54:24
  one
• 54:25
  kind
• 54:25
  of
• 54:26
  is
• 54:26
  inaccurate.
• 54:27
  The
• 54:27
  one
• 54:27
  from
• 54:28
  Stump,
• 54:30
  I
• 54:30
  believe
• 54:30
  it
• 54:30
  is.
• 54:30
  Yeah,
• 54:31
  that
• 54:31
  one's
• 54:31
  kind
• 54:31
  of
• 54:32
  always
• 54:32
  like
• 54:33
  kind
• 54:33
  of
• 54:34
  some
• 54:34
  falsehoods
• 54:35
  in
• 54:35
  that
• 54:35
  one.
• 54:36
  But
• 54:37
  yeah,
• 54:38
  there
• 54:38
  was
• 54:38
  a
• 54:38
  biography
• 54:38
  on
• 54:39
  when
• 54:39
  Mercer.
• 54:39
  Someone
• 54:40
  did,
• 54:40
  I
• 54:40
  believe
• 54:41
  one
• 54:41
  on
• 54:41
  Delahunty
• 54:42
  as
• 54:43
  well.
• 54:45
  A
• 54:45
  lot
• 54:45
  of
• 54:45
  stuff
• 54:46
  like
• 54:46
  the
• 54:47
  Pirates
• 54:47
  chapters
• 54:48
  with
• 54:48
  the
• 54:50
  Fred
• 54:50
  Clark
• 54:51
  Frank
• 54:51
  Bowerman
• 54:51
  fight.
• 54:52
  You
• 54:52
  know,
• 54:52
  it
• 54:52
  was
• 54:52
  stuff
• 54:53
  that
• 54:53
  I
• 54:53
  first
• 54:53
  did
• 54:53
  on
• 54:53
  earth
• 54:54
  when
• 54:54
  I
• 54:54
  did
• 54:54
  like
• 54:55
  the
• 54:55
  Clark
• 54:55
  book
• 54:55
  years
• 54:56
  ago.
• 54:56
  I
• 54:56
  just,
• 54:56
  you
• 54:56
  know,
• 54:57
  expanded
• 54:57
  and
• 54:57
  did
• 54:57
  more
• 54:58
  digging
• 54:58
  on
• 54:59
  that.
• 55:00
  The
• 55:00
  Stump
• 55:01
  book
• 55:01
  that
• 55:01
  Ron
• 55:02
  refers
• 55:02
  to
• 55:02
  is
• 55:03
  Al
• 55:03
  Stump
• 55:04
  was
• 55:04
  a
• 55:04
  writer
• 55:05
  and
• 55:06
  it's
• 55:06
  brought
• 55:06
  out
• 55:06
  in
• 55:07
  the
• 55:07
  movie
• 55:08
  Cobb
• 55:08
  starring
• 55:09
  Tommy
• 55:09
  Lee
• 55:09
  Jones
• 55:10
  and
• 55:10
  Robert
• 55:11
  Wall
• 55:11
  as
• 55:12
  Al
• 55:12
  Stump.
• 55:12
  And
• 55:13
  a
• 55:14
  lot
• 55:14
  of
• 55:14
  falsehoods
• 55:15
  and
• 55:15
  inaccuracies
• 55:16
  in
• 55:16
  that
• 55:16
  particular
• 55:17
  film.
• 55:17
  But
• 55:18
  people
• 55:18
  took
• 55:18
  that
• 55:19
  as
• 55:20
  reason
• 55:20
  to
• 55:21
  hate
• 55:21
  Ty
• 55:21
  Cobb
• 55:22
  and
• 55:22
  to
• 55:22
  brand
• 55:22
  him
• 55:23
  a
• 55:23
  racist
• 55:23
  and
• 55:24
  just
• 55:25
  a
• 55:25
  horrible
• 55:26
  man.
• 55:26
  And
• 55:27
  a
• 55:27
  lot
• 55:27
  of
• 55:27
  the
• 55:27
  revisionist
• 55:28
  history
• 55:29
  says
• 55:29
  that
• 55:29
  that's
• 55:29
  incorrect.
• 55:30
  What
• 55:31
  in
• 55:31
  the
• 55:32
  few
• 55:32
  minutes
• 55:32
  we
• 55:32
  have
• 55:33
  left,
• 55:33
  Ron,
• 55:34
  any
• 55:34
  upcoming
• 55:35
  projects
• 55:35
  on
• 55:36
  Dead
• 55:36
  Ball?
• 55:38
  Right
• 55:38
  now
• 55:38
  I'm
• 55:38
  in
• 55:38
  the
• 55:39
  process
• 55:39
  of
• 55:39
  finishing
• 55:40
  up
• 55:40
  my
• 55:40
  latest
• 55:41
  project.
• 55:41
  As
• 55:41
  someone
• 55:42
  that's
• 55:42
  lived
• 55:42
  in
• 55:42
  Pittsburgh
• 55:43
  and
• 55:43
  Western
• 55:43
  Pennsylvania
• 55:44
  all
• 55:44
  my
• 55:44
  life,
• 55:46
  it's
• 55:47
  kind
• 55:47
  of
• 55:47
  tend
• 55:47
  to
• 55:48
  be
• 55:48
  titled
• 55:48
  Western
• 55:49
  PA
• 55:49
  of
• 55:49
  Western
• 55:50
  Pennsylvania
• 55:50
  Dead
• 55:51
  Ballers
• 55:51
  Home
• 55:51
  Cooking.
• 55:52
  I've
• 55:52
  found
• 55:52
  people
• 55:53
  that
• 55:53
  just
• 55:54
  are
• 55:55
  from
• 55:55
  around
• 55:55
  this
• 55:56
  area
• 55:57
  and
• 55:58
  ended
• 55:58
  up
• 55:58
  with
• 55:59
  the
• 55:59
  research.
• 55:59
  I
• 55:59
  actually
• 55:59
  have
• 56:00
  enough
• 56:00
  for
• 56:00
  coup
• 56:00
  volume.
• 56:01
  So
• 56:01
  I'm
• 56:01
  probably
• 56:01
  going
• 56:01
  to
• 56:01
  do
• 56:02
  a
• 56:02
  volume
• 56:02
  two
• 56:02
  as
• 56:03
  well.
• 56:05
  But
• 56:05
  I'll
• 56:06
  just
• 56:06
  give
• 56:06
  you
• 56:06
  quick
• 56:06
  of
• 56:07
  one
• 56:07
  player
• 56:07
  named
• 56:08
  Jimmy
• 56:08
  Smith,
• 56:09
  who
• 56:09
  was
• 56:09
  from
• 56:09
  the
• 56:09
  Greenfield
• 56:10
  neighborhood
• 56:10
  of
• 56:10
  Pittsburgh,
• 56:12
  key
• 56:12
  player,
• 56:13
  role
• 56:13
  player
• 56:13
  in
• 56:14
  the
• 56:14
  1919
• 56:14
  World
• 56:15
  Series,
• 56:15
  even
• 56:16
  though
• 56:16
  he
• 56:16
  was
• 56:16
  a
• 56:16
  substitute
• 56:17
  infielder
• 56:18
  for
• 56:18
  the
• 56:18
  Reds,
• 56:19
  hardly
• 56:19
  played
• 56:19
  any
• 56:20
  games
• 56:20
  that
• 56:20
  year.
• 56:21
  But
• 56:21
  he
• 56:21
  had
• 56:22
  the
• 56:22
  nickname
• 56:22
  Serpentongue
• 56:23
  because
• 56:24
  he
• 56:24
  was
• 56:24
  one
• 56:24
  of
• 56:24
  the
• 56:25
  best
• 56:25
  bench
• 56:25
  jockeys
• 56:26
  in
• 56:27
  the
• 56:27
  National
• 56:27
  League.
• 56:28
  And
• 56:28
  he
• 56:29
  just
• 56:29
  abused
• 56:30
  members
• 56:30
  of
• 56:30
  this
• 56:30
  White
• 56:31
  Sox
• 56:31
  and
• 56:31
  especially
• 56:32
  Eddie
• 56:32
  Collins.
• 56:33
  Eddie
• 56:34
  Collins.
• 56:34
  Lesser
• 56:35
  degree
• 56:35
  Buck
• 56:36
  Weaver
• 56:36
  in
• 56:36
  Happy
• 56:36
  Phelps,
• 56:37
  too.
• 56:37
  Eddie
• 56:38
  Collins.
• 56:38
  Yeah,
• 56:38
  Big
• 56:39
  target.
• 56:39
  Well,
• 56:39
  Ron
• 56:40
  Waldo,
• 56:40
  it's
• 56:40
  been
• 56:40
  a
• 56:41
  pleasure.
• 56:41
  Thanks
• 56:41
  for
• 56:41
  taking
• 56:42
  the
• 56:42
  time
• 56:42
  out
• 56:42
  of
• 56:42
  your
• 56:43
  Sunday
• 56:43
  night
• 56:43
  to
• 56:43
  spend
• 56:43
  it
• 56:44
  with
• 56:44
  us
• 56:44
  here
• 56:44
  on
• 56:44
  Sports
• 56:45
  Stock
• 56:45
  New
• 56:45
  York.
• 56:46
  The
• 56:46
  book
• 56:46
  again,
• 56:47
  folks.
• 56:47
  Yeah,
• 56:48
  go
• 56:48
  ahead.
• 56:48
  I
• 56:48
  appreciate
• 56:49
  you
• 56:49
  inviting
• 56:49
  me.
• 56:49
  No
• 56:50
  worries.
• 56:50
  I
• 56:50
  really
• 56:50
  enjoy
• 56:51
  talking
• 56:51
  about
• 56:51
  stuff.
• 56:52
  It's
• 56:52
  been
• 56:52
  a
• 56:53
  pleasure.
• 56:53
  As
• 56:53
  I
• 56:53
  said,
• 56:54
  dead
• 56:54
  ball
• 56:54
  mayhem,
• 56:55
  scoundrels,
• 56:56
  scandalous
• 56:57
  behavior
• 56:57
  and
• 56:58
  tragic
• 56:58
  events.
• 56:59
  Amazon,
• 56:59
  Barnes
• 57:00
  and
• 57:00
  Noble.
• 57:01
  Ron
• 57:01
  Waldo,
• 57:02
  thanks
• 57:02
  again.
• 57:03
  Thank
• 57:04
  you
• 57:04
  very
• 57:04
  much,
• 57:04
  Bill.
• 57:04
  You
• 57:04
  have
• 57:05
  a
• 57:05
  fantastic
• 57:05
  week.
• 57:06
  You,
• 57:06
  too.
• 57:07
  That's
• 57:07
  Ron
• 57:07
  Waldo,
• 57:07
  ladies
• 57:08
  and
• 57:08
  gentlemen.
• 57:08
  That'll
• 57:09
  do
• 57:09
  it
• 57:09
  for
• 57:09
  me
• 57:09
  tonight
• 57:09
  on
• 57:10
  Sports
• 57:10
  Talk
• 57:10
  New
• 57:10
  York.
• 57:11
  I'd
• 57:11
  like
• 57:11
  to
• 57:11
  thank
• 57:11
  my
• 57:12
  guest,
• 57:12
  Bill
• 57:12
  Madden,
• 57:13
  and
• 57:13
  Ronald
• 57:14
  T.
• 57:14
  Waldo,
• 57:15
  my
• 57:15
  engineer,
• 57:15
  Brian
• 57:16
  Graves,
• 57:16
  and
• 57:16
  of
• 57:17
  course,
• 57:17
  you
• 57:17
  guys
• 57:18
  for
• 57:18
  joining
• 57:18
  us.
• 57:19
  I'll
• 57:19
  see
• 57:19
  you
• 57:19
  next
• 57:19
  Sunday,
• 57:20
  May
• 57:20
  4,
• 57:21
  for
• 57:21
  more
• 57:21
  sports
• 57:22
  Talk.
• 57:22
  Till
• 57:22
  then,
• 57:23
  be
• 57:23
  safe,
• 57:23
  be
• 57:23
  well.
• 57:24
  Bill
• 57:24
  Donahue,
• 57:25
  wishing
• 57:25
  you
• 57:26
  a
• 57:26
  good
• 57:26
  evening,
• 57:26
  folks.
• 57:32
  The
• 57:32
  views
• 57:32
  expressed
• 57:33
  in
• 57:33
  the
• 57:33
  previous
• 57:33
  program
• 57:34
  did
• 57:34
  not
• 57:34
  necessarily
• 57:35
  represent
• 57:35
  those
• 57:35
  of
• 57:35
  the
• 57:36
  staff,
• 57:36
  management
• 57:37
  or
• 57:37
  owners
• 57:37
  of
• 57:37
  WGB.