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Jaguars Happy Hour | Deploying Preseason Standouts During Week 1 and Beyond · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, September 3rd.
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  Speaker 2: This is Jaguars Happy Hour. And now, back up, practice squad,
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  Speaker 2: long snapper.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Sexton.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still getting used to you, Joe. Give me a
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  Speaker 2: couple more weeks. But I am absolutely used to Jaguars
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  Speaker 2: happy hour, which means I get to spend an hour
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  Speaker 2: with Mark Duffner, and we both get to spend an
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  Speaker 2: hour with Jeff Lagerman. Can't wait.
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  Speaker 1: Talking ball.
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  Speaker 2: How are you guys?
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  Speaker 1: Going fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: How about this bye week, by the way?
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  Speaker 1: I'm loving it.
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  Speaker 4: This is a great week.
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  Speaker 2: This didn't always exist. You know, when they went to 17...
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  Speaker 2: Regular season games, they eliminated a preseason game, and that
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  Speaker 2: left a week off. Now, it's not off. They're working.
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  Speaker 2: You were on the practice field. They're working. But it
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  Speaker 2: sure is nice after the craziness of camp and the
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  Speaker 2: preseason to have this week to kind of get ready
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  Speaker 2: for what's coming.
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  Speaker 1: I would think, too, Duff, from a coaching standpoint, you
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  Speaker 1: would like it because it allows you to kind of
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  Speaker 1: get settled a little bit. Because during training camp, it's
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  Speaker 1: fast and furious. There's no time to do anything, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't spend any time with family that's going to
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  Speaker 1: amount to much. And this kind of gives you a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of break to kind of get re-energized, but
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  Speaker 1: then also to kind of get the last pieces of
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  Speaker 1: your roster put together before you hit the ground running.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the key component right now. You've
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  Speaker 3: got a chance to really, without panicking, take time and
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  Speaker 3: do a good job of evaluating your players, see who
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  Speaker 3: else is out there on the waiver wire, what they're
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  Speaker 3: constantly doing. And it gives you also time to kind
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  Speaker 3: of get settled in on your preparation for the game week,
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  Speaker 3: you know, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will say that there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: guys that are happy that they made an NFL roster
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend, but don't get comfortable.
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  Speaker 4: Not so fast.
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  Speaker 1: It's not set yet.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a lot to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why, and the reason I say this,
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  Speaker 1: is that, look, you've got to be on the roster,
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  Speaker 1: I think, it's like on Wednesday of game week or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's after 4 o'clock on Tuesday of game week.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, to be able to be guaranteed your salary if
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  Speaker 1: you're a vested veteran. And as a younger player, you're
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  Speaker 1: not guaranteed anything.
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  Speaker 2: So the evaluation process is continuing is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: It never ends.
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  Speaker 3: And that's tough on those young players now, guys that
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  Speaker 3: are on the bubble as far as that's concerned, because
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  Speaker 3: every day they're kind of looking around to see if
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  Speaker 3: they're going to be here or not.
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  Speaker 1: And I think sometimes you've got to remind them of that, that, look,
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  Speaker 1: this is not scholarship anymore.
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  Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: This is a job, and it's competitive, and there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of guys out there that are going to be–
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  Speaker 1: Wanting your job.
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  Speaker 2: Normally, we would not even think about talking about the
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  Speaker 2: last preseason game. But I want to share something with
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  Speaker 2: you guys because it was so much fun from my perspective.
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  Speaker 2: Have you seen the clips of Liam with the headsets
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  Speaker 2: on talking to us?
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  Speaker 1: I watched it on Jaguars.com, Brian, and amazing stuff. Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So we've got this particular clip that we want to
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  Speaker 2: share with you from a touchdown. It's great stuff. Roll it.
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  Speaker 4: Roll pass. Touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: There's DJ Dallas. Touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: And you heard the coach.
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  Speaker 2: Touchdown, Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Going for two. Going for two. And I love the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he's calling the two-point conversion. Bradley's going to
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  Speaker 2: take it himself, and he lunges, and he gets it.
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  Speaker 4: He's got it.
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  Speaker 1: Coach Liam Cohen.
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  Speaker 2: I've been a broadcaster for 32 years. This is as
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  Speaker 2: much fun as I've had in a long time. He
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  Speaker 2: was part coach, part fan, part broadcaster. Of course. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you guys for having me, man.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate you. It was great.
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  Speaker 2: TV. And that's what you have to do, honestly, in
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  Speaker 2: a preseason game where you're telling people we're not playing starters.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to give them a reason to tune in.
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  Speaker 2: And they threw this idea at Liam because Sean McVay
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  Speaker 2: had done it in Los Angeles. He not only said no,
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  Speaker 2: he was an enthusiastic participant. I'm trying to imagine Tom
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  Speaker 2: Coughlin doing the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 1: No chance.
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  Speaker 2: No chance. But it was just tremendous how he's calling
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  Speaker 2: the play. And The quarterback didn't even his back step, Duff,
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  Speaker 2: before he says that's touchdown.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to tell you this.
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  Speaker 3: I think aside from that, which I think is outstanding,
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  Speaker 3: but he also let the coaches get involved in calling
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  Speaker 3: the game, not just the coordinators. Coach Campanile was not
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  Speaker 3: calling the entire game on defense. Some of the other,
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  Speaker 3: I think, Tim Lukabu was. And I watched it on offense, too.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Edwards did, too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they gave those guys credit. tremendous experience right
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  Speaker 3: now in terms of play calling, getting into that phase.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, as coaches, I'd be very thankful for that opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, if anybody wants to watch that, they
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  Speaker 1: can go to Jaguars.com, just click on videos and scroll
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  Speaker 1: back in time, and you're going to find Liam doing
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  Speaker 1: the preseason television broadcast, which is great stuff.
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  Speaker 2: A 14-play drive. It couldn't have been any better. 14 plays,
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  Speaker 2: 74 yards, ends with a touchdown and a two-point conversion.
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  Speaker 1: I've been in football for... However many years.
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  Speaker 2: Your whole life.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, since 1989. That was as entertaining as it gets.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And let me just say this. The Tom Coughlin of
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  Speaker 1: today might do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He might do that. He might. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: happy birthday.
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  Speaker 3: Happy birthday.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm glad you went there. And I sent
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  Speaker 1: him a picture of a guy dancing in a bikini.
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  Speaker 1: Just for his special 80th birthday.
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  Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Coach. 80 years. Yeah, I don't want to delineate.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to say he would never do it.
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  Speaker 2: But in 1995, he wasn't doing it.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: He was not doing it. He would have done it
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  Speaker 2: in 96, which was his second season.
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  Speaker 1: The probability of that 1995, 0.00.
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  Speaker 4: Or I'll say he was winning a lot of games.
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  Speaker 4: I'll say that.
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  Speaker 2: There's absolutely no doubt. I had a speaking engagement this morning,
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  Speaker 2: and someone asked me, Brian, what's the biggest difference between
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  Speaker 2: the players... When you first started, so Jeff's crew, to now,
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  Speaker 2: and I said, I'm not sure I could even begin
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  Speaker 2: to describe how different the player experience is from then
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  Speaker 2: to now, but it all centers on social media.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very different. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's still football. You guys are still football players.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't mean it's football players. I just mean
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  Speaker 2: it's guys. It's a totally different world.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the reality. We're different, too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we're all different, too. I mean, we're all
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  Speaker 1: a part of it.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. We're part of that evolution.
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  Speaker 2: All right, time for our Seabreeze Propane quarterback preview, brought
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  Speaker 2: talk quarterbacks since the folks at Seabreeze allow us every week.
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  Speaker 2: I still laugh at the turtle on the surfboard. Every
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  Speaker 2: week to talk about quarterback. Jags go and grab Quinn Ewers.
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  Speaker 2: off the practice squad. There's really no reason to talk
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  Speaker 2: about Trevor yet. He hasn't played the preseason. So let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about the backup quarterback situation because it was interesting
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  Speaker 2: that we had heard so much about how much they
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  Speaker 2: like Mullins, how valuable he is in the meeting room,
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  Speaker 2: all the little things he does to make Grant Udinski's
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  Speaker 2: job just a touch easier. And then they go trade
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  Speaker 2: for Ewers, cut Mullins, Joey Aguilar, Carter Bradley, and then
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  Speaker 2: they bring Mullins back on the practice squad. Decipher this, gentlemen.
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  Speaker 2: What is the game plan with Mullins and Ewers?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think obviously they value his input, his knowledge,
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  Speaker 3: his wisdom, his experience.
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  Speaker 4: In a big, big way.
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  Speaker 3: And I think he'll help tutor Joey Aguilar. He'll help
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  Speaker 3: Ewers as he's coming in to learn the offense.
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  Speaker 4: So, I mean, this guy's like a player coach, if
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  Speaker 4: you will.
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  Speaker 3: And I think the connection with Udinski, all strong, but
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  Speaker 3: obviously they have high regard and respect for what he
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  Speaker 3: brings not only as a player, but as a guy
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  Speaker 3: that's a mentor and a teacher and assistant coach, so
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  Speaker 3: to speak.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it was time to upgrade the
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  Speaker 1: backup quarterback position. And in a perfect world, you'd like
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  Speaker 1: to do that in the offseason to where your backup
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  Speaker 1: has the entirety of the offseason to digest the offense
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  Speaker 1: and get ready to play football if called upon. In
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  Speaker 1: this case, nothing's perfect, right? I mean, so you have
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  Speaker 1: the opportunity to get a guy that you like and
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  Speaker 1: you get him. Now you also get the benefit of
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  Speaker 1: being able to keep Nick Mullins on the practice squad.
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  Speaker 1: So weeks one, two, and three, if you need to
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  Speaker 1: have Nick Mullins up as a backup until Quinn Ewers
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  Speaker 1: can learn the offense, you just elevate him off of
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  Speaker 1: the practice squad.
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  Speaker 2: You can do that three times a year.
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  Speaker 1: Three times. So that buys you a little time to
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  Speaker 1: allow Quinn Ewers to get the offense underneath of his belt,
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  Speaker 1: so to speak.
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  Speaker 4: Jeff, that's an excellent point.
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  Speaker 3: And I also believe Mullins is going to be in
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  Speaker 3: the air of Aguilar and Ewers in terms of aside
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  Speaker 3: from Coach Udinski working with him, he'll be with him
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  Speaker 3: quite a bit, again, sharing his knowledge of the offense
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  Speaker 3: and helping them progress.
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  Speaker 4: Totally, totally.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the reality, too. Let's say you elevate him
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  Speaker 1: three times and you use him up. He can still
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  Speaker 1: stay on the practice squad. It's not like after three
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  Speaker 1: elevations you've got to cut him. You can still keep
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  Speaker 1: him on the practice squad, and at some point during
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  Speaker 1: the year, if nobody grabs him, you can elevate him
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  Speaker 1: to the active 53 at some point if there's an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to do so. And if– all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: the history with or what you have established with Quinn
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  Speaker 1: Ewers doesn't go as expected.
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  Speaker 2: James Gladstone, who will be here with Tony Buscelli and
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  Speaker 2: Jags HQ in our next hour, talked on Tuesday at
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  Speaker 2: his press conference about the conversation they had to have
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  Speaker 2: with Nick Mullins. How do you suppose that went? Because
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  Speaker 2: it was very professional, very forthright.
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  Speaker 4: I have a feeling it went very, very good.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think it would have to for him to
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  Speaker 2: be here, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no question about it.
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  Speaker 2: But from a coaching perspective, what are you saying to
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  Speaker 2: a guy?
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  Speaker 4: You tell them the truth first and foremost.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, anytime you're fair and you're honest with a player,
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  Speaker 3: they respect you and they may not hear everything they want,
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  Speaker 3: but when you're fair and honest, you're able to get
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  Speaker 3: through to them. And I think they've been that way
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  Speaker 3: with him all the way. I think he understands the
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  Speaker 3: value that the coaching staff has in him and appreciates
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  Speaker 3: him for. So I think that probably went pretty doggone well.
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  Speaker 3: And for him to be in the position he is
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  Speaker 3: right now with the situation, I think it's great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think honesty is always the best approach, especially
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  Speaker 1: with a guy that you've just got a ton of
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  Speaker 1: respect for, like Nick Mullins. And I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: that relates. is typical with most coach-player relationships because I
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  Speaker 1: think there's a high level of respect from the coaching
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  Speaker 1: staff to Nick Mullins because the reality is, The OC
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  Speaker 1: ain't a whole lot older than Nick Mullins, right? Not Mullins.
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  Speaker 2: He's 30.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure he is older.
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  Speaker 2: We have to go back and count. Too close. Then
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  Speaker 2: the decision on Aguilar just to finish up the quarterback
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  Speaker 2: conversation here. You saw enough from him in the preseason.
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  Speaker 2: His accuracy, his arm strength, his decision making.
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  Speaker 4: Boy, I like him a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Given the task that he had in hand, he was
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  Speaker 3: really 17 for 20 in the preseason, all told. Moved
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  Speaker 3: the ball well, made good decisions, never looked like it
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  Speaker 3: was too.
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  Speaker 4: Big for him. Very confident, very much in command of
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  Speaker 4: the offense. I like him a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's an ascending guy, and that's where I think, again,
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  Speaker 3: Mullins will have an influence.
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  Speaker 4: On him bringing him along.
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  Speaker 2: If this goes right, we won't be talking about any
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  Speaker 2: of these guys the rest of the year.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: But this is roster building.
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  Speaker 1: The best conversation needs to be about Trevor Lawrence. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if this team is doing exactly what it's doing, and
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  Speaker 1: we had him on the television show Monday night, he
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  Speaker 1: was fantastic. And I was talking to him off the
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  Speaker 1: air a little bit about the benefit of having the
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  Speaker 1: joint practices, and I was asking him how much that
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  Speaker 1: he enjoyed that. He said it was awesome. He said, because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, look, he goes, we got like 50 reps
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  Speaker 1: against the Saints. He goes, we got 40-some against the
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  Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers, another 40-some against Tampa. And he goes, the
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  Speaker 1: reality is, he goes, if we were playing games, we
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have gotten those reps. And he goes, and the
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  Speaker 1: best part is, got them reps and I didn't get hit.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think, again, that worth is unbelievable. Dead on
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  Speaker 3: what you said there. You can't beat that right now
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  Speaker 3: in terms of experience.
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  Speaker 1: Wave of the future now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think, and I'm not just speaking Jacksonville here,
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking across the league, do you think we're going
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  Speaker 2: to see the fact that starters didn't play a lot
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  Speaker 2: in the preseason in the first regular season game? Will
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  Speaker 2: it be evident?
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  Speaker 1: To me, I don't think there's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: noticeable thing. And here's why. Josh Heinz Allen, let's say
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  Speaker 1: he played in preseason game number one and preseason game
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  Speaker 1: number two. He probably would have gotten, let's say, what
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  Speaker 1: in preseason game one?
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  Speaker 2: Put a number. Two series.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, 14 snaps. Let's say 14 in a long series,
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  Speaker 1: and that's very generous, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say week two, he ended up getting a half. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so a half typically is 30 snaps.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's about 40, 44 snaps.
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  Speaker 2: So what you're saying is he got the snaps in
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  Speaker 2: one practice.
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  Speaker 1: He got more than 44. He got 47 snaps in
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  Speaker 1: the joint practice with the Saints.
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  Speaker 4: Way more snaps.
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  Speaker 3: And that's dead on what Jeff's saying right there. So
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  Speaker 3: those joint practices that they had, keep in mind now
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  Speaker 3: that we're talking four days, really three real good ones,
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  Speaker 3: but they had four practice opportunities in the joint practices.
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  Speaker 3: You add up the snaps and you add up the
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  Speaker 3: quality of those snaps, Excellent preparation.
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  Speaker 2: So how does that change when they go to two
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  Speaker 2: preseason games? Do you still have joint practices and just
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  Speaker 2: have one the week before you have a preseason game
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  Speaker 2: against a completely different team?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Just line it up? I mean, would you say that
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  Speaker 2: they would do it again the way that they did
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  Speaker 2: it this year? Three teams?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I absolutely think if Liam Cohn can find a
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  Speaker 1: dance partner to do three teams with only two preseason games,
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  Speaker 1: he would absolutely do that. I mean, that's, to me, again, that's,
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  Speaker 1: there's very few, I think, situations to where you don't
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  Speaker 1: look at a joint practice as beneficials. the only thing
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  Speaker 1: that would come to my mind is maybe, let's say
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  Speaker 1: you're putting a new staff together and there's this veil
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  Speaker 1: of secrecy about what you're going to be running as
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  Speaker 1: an offense, what you're going to be running as a defense.
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  Speaker 1: But other than that, I mean, the reality is, is
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  Speaker 1: that everything that you're doing is going to be on
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  Speaker 1: film anyway. So, I mean, you can't hide it. So
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  Speaker 1: I think it's extremely beneficial.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a no brainer. And when you saw
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  Speaker 3: the quality of drills that they got, especially in the
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  Speaker 3: special teams, I keep remarking about that, but the live
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  Speaker 3: work they got, coverage teams and protection and so forth.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you can't beat that. You could never.
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  Speaker 3: Get the amount of snaps that they got in that
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  Speaker 3: practice in a preseason game.
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  Speaker 1: The first joint practice that I ever had, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: never forget it, I think it was the Philadelphia Eagles
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  Speaker 1: came to New York. And when they did, we had
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  Speaker 1: a one-on-one pass rush drill, which was the first, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: period in which you were going against the other team's guys. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And we were, I mean, there's a fence right there,
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  Speaker 1: and there's, I don't know, I mean, thousands of people, like,
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  Speaker 1: right there at the fence. I mean, you were standing
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: 10 feet away from them. And the intensity went from, like,
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: a normal practice, let's say, on a scale of, you know,
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: 0 to 10, normal practice is, like, 4, okay? Now
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: you add the people, okay, jumps to a 6 or
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: a 7, and then the other team. Now it's going to, like,
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: a 10. I mean, so... I mean, what's better reps?
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: The ones that are, you know, at two or three
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: on the scale or at a nine or a ten,
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: and you're going against different guys that you're not used
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: to every week. Like, you know, if I go against Basselli,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: I know that, hey, look, this, this, and this are
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: not going to work. So I'm going to keep working this. Well,
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: against different guys as a pass rusher, as an offensive lineman,
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I want to work all the different array of tools
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: that I have.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: Well, then let me ask the obvious question. What's the
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: value of the preseason games anymore?
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Evaluating that second tier of players under game conditions and
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: then also the exercise of the game itself for those
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: young players and your coaching staff.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: So they'll always be preseason games?
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: I think absolutely.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: And just what Jeff illustrated there, I think that's exactly
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: what you're getting benefit out and you can't do that enough.
• 15:29
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  Speaker 2: live last friday night you can look forward to more
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: of that next pre-season um But in particular, it was
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: fun to watch Brian Thomas Jr. emerge over the last
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks. And he was an absolute four stuff.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Unbelievable. I mean, he did everything but sell popcorn and
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: play in the band.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: And if he had, we would have bought it.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: And he could have done it better than anybody.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: Five tackles. I think he had four quarterback hits, two
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: and a half sacks. a special teams tackle.
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, really a phenomenal effort by him. And I
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: was really, he's been a guy that every, every day
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: in camp, you kind of hear about him and a
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: more to finish camp like that.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: As good as it gets.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: So give us, give us the rundown. How do you
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: see the backups to Trayvon and Josh? We're, Where does
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: it fall? How does he get active on game day?
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Well, he may not be active right out of the gate,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: but I think at some point down the road, if
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: he keeps playing like he did in that preseason game
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: and executing in practice like he did, then at some
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: point he'll be active. But when you've got six guys
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: on the active roster, it's hard to have all six
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: that are active. The one thing that he does have
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: to his advantage is that he's a pretty good special
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: teams player. We saw the one play that he made
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the tackle, and it was a little slow getting down
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: the field on that play, and the returner kind of
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: got flattened out, and then he eventually got down there
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and made the play, which was a nice play. But
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: he does an excellent job in the return games. I mean, really,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I watched him on kick return and punt return, and
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: he does an outstanding job in both of those areas.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: He's firm at the point earlier in the game. He
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: had a really good play on the nine technique. And
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: as a pass rusher, what was impressive about him is
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: that One of his pressures early in the game where
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: he got the pass defense, it was a bend the corner,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: and he actually fought through the chip of the running back,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: got a sack on the outside edge, and then he
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: got another sack where he had an inside swim. His
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: best move is a spin move. I mean, and really
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: didn't even put that on display in that game to
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: where it resulted in production, but it was utilized. So...
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: This is a young man that I think every year
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: you always want to find undrafted guys because they're really
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: good for your salary cap. They are.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Good business. I'll say this.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: That was something I really cherished to do, trying to
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: find linebackers and guys that could make the team that
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: were undrafted, the value of the club, and just helping
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: these guys. For this organization to do it like they've
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: done with B.J. Green, with Strigo, with Brian Thomas with
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: a Y. I mean, geez, it's amazing.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: Great work.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Here's, I think, the one thing that I always look for,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and it was awesome to see this during the preseason game,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: is that when you have young guys that are in
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: a game and they're having production, is what's the reaction
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: on the sideline, okay? If guys are like, eh, guys, okay,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the reaction on the sideline is like, eh, okay, okay,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: the young guy made a play. When guys are light,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and you'll see when the guy comes off after making
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: a play, there's a reception party for him. And the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: way that Brian Thomas Jr. was received on the sideline,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the way Wortham was received on the sideline, when I
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: think as an evaluator, a scout, and you're trying to
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: find that culture type, of guys, when you see that,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: you know that they're going to fit in with that culture.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, I love it.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what, I watched the sideline like
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: you did, and those guys were in the game. They
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: weren't looking around chewing gum and drinking Gatorade, they were
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: into the game, just as Jeff said right now, watching
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: the style, learning, taking the mental reps, but also responding
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: like they did to their teammates. That's a team-first attitude,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: and that's what you want.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: All right, so you guys want to stay on the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: defense side of the ball? Yeah. All right, let's talk
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: about five linebackers. Obviously, you've got Dennis Gardeck, who's going
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: to start at Sam, and Foya Oluokun at Will, and
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: then some combination of Ventrell and Branson. And then you
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: only have one of the backups?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I'm going to let this guy take this. That's, that's
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: his specialty man. Linebacker is right up.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: How would you do it with linebackers? You only have five.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: That seems a little bit light for a team, especially
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: because linebackers play on special teams.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Well, it may be, but I like the fact that
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: all these guys are versatile. I mean, they've got, they're
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: not just one trick pony, so to speak. And to buy,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, getting him, I don't know if I pronounced
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: that right, but get Tavi, excuse me, Tavi.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Uh, What he brings in terms of experience, he's a
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: physical guy. I saw him assimilate quickly into this game,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: making calls. He had the helmet, you know, the green dot,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: if you will, on. I mean, they got value big time. So,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think what the versatility that they've got,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: the fact that these guys are athletic, that.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: They can move, that they can run.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: And Gardak's contribution not only as a Sam linebacker, but
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: also on third down as a rusher and a darn
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: good rusher. And when you impact that, Tavai's a good rusher.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Combs is an excellent blitzer. Both of these guys. So
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: they've got contributions not just on first and second down
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: as off-the-ball linebackers, but they've got pressure on.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: To them that's going to help this defense.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Let me just add that you've got two linebackers on
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: IR that can be elevated at any time. Jalen McLeod
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: last year, six-round pick, and then also Kaiser.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: He was a third-round pick.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Or excuse me, third-round pick, and then Kaiser was a fourth.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: So there's an opportunity to bring those guys up at
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: any time. And let me just also add this. I
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: think B.J. Green gives you flexibility that if you don't
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: have Jalen McLeod activated on game day from the practice squad,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: who's the backup? Sam. Well, I don't know if it's
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Ventrell Miller or anybody else or Tavi, for that matter.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I think it would be a B.J. Green.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: B.J.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Green this year has lost some weight. Now, last year,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I think he was probably around 270. And I don't
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: know if you guys have noticed in practice. I mean,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: he's got a six-pack as good as mine.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Nicely done.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Does that mean he lost weight?
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I love it. I love it.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I thought you said he lost weight.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I'm joking. He's like 250. And they feel comfortable, I think,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: with him having a possibility to play Sam if necessary.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: It just seems, and correct me if I'm wrong, they're
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: asking this linebacker group to go above and beyond, to
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: be able to be versatile, more so than I've ever
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: seen this group.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Well, I think that's great.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: And I think that challenge and I think that opportunity
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: for this group is exactly what hopefully they want. I
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: guess they do. I know that's what I would want.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure that's what Tim Lukabu, the coach, wants. Again,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: we want to be the leaders. We want to be
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: the producers, man. So Bring it on.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: I think it's awesome.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Give Tavi some credit, too. You know, he kind of
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: came in late.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in Hawaii and they called and said,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: you want to play?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: On the street, probably surfing big waves, you know, comes
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: in town. And I think the first week he was
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: out there, he established himself as like, instead of a
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: numbers guy, he is a legit candidate to make the roster.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: So give him credit.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, when you started watching him in that first week,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: it looked like he'd been there the whole time. I mean,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: that's big time. So again, this guy's got Good decision-making.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: He obviously learns well. He can translate well in terms
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: of what they're doing. I think great pickup, and I
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: think he's going to be a productive guy.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: And we tried to kind of put our thumb on
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: where the Ventrell Branson thing was going to fall.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Don't.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: No?
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're both going to play. I mean, they're
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: both going to play, and I think there's a different
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: skill set involved with each guy, and I think at times.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, is Ventrell going to be a first down
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: player every time?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: No, no. Well, no, I can tell you this. If
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I'm in goal line or short yardage, you look, I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: want Ventrell Miller out there.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: OK. No offense to Branson Combs. I think he can
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: do it. Sure. OK. But he doesn't bring that two
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: by four wallop, you know, attached to his rear end.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: When Ventrell hits you, you go down.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get hit by Ventrell.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: And he demonstrated that in all those joint practices. And heck,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: that's why a year ago. We're talking Ventrell or Devin Lloyd. So,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, again, I think there's more here with this
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: group than everybody thinks, and I'm glad we got them.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: How about a quick look at the secondary? And we'll
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: just start it because we've got a break here in
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: just a moment. Let's go to safety. Five safeties, two
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: recent third-round picks, neither one who've played in an NFL
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: game yet. How do you see this position with 32-year-old
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Eric Murray leading the way?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I'm going to start this because I got some strong
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: feelings about this group. And I think it starts with, obviously,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: how good Antonio Johnson is and how fortunate the Jaguars
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: are to have a guy like Eric Murray, who's just
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a stabilizing force back there and productive. You know, I
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: think sometimes leadership can be a little bit overweighted because
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: you've got to have the production, and Eric Murray has
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that production to go along with the leadership. But the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: guys that are behind those two guys, they need to
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: start upping their game, okay? And I'm talking about Caleb Ramsall, Husky.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I think Rayon Lane is a guy that's going to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: be the special teams guy. But those two draft picks
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: that you got there, they need to elevate their game because–
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: If something happens to the first two guys, what I've
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: seen so far, there's going to be a drop-off. In
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: the perfect world, which it's not, you'd like to say, hey,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: next man up, and there's no drop-off.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: But Murray is 32 years old. He missed some time
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: last year.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Well, in the neck. I mean, that's a concerning injury.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: And I believe those two guys have it. I think
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: they've got some skills. But they've got to start advancing themselves.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: There's no doubt about that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: And when you look at Ransom in particular, again, he's
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: almost really like a rookie because he was hurt last
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: year quite a bit, didn't get as much opportunity at all.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: But I'm with Jeff as far as that's concerned. They've
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: got the traits. They've had flashes. And now, again, they've
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: got to make sure they're preparing each and every week
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: like they're starting, taking advantage of that preparation.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: All right, we've reached the bottom of the hour, which
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: means we will keep going until 5 o'clock, and then
• 26:25
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• 26:29
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars won't put one out until next Wednesday. But a
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: couple guys were watching.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will say that prior to the game
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: last week, it was fun to watch Cole Van Lannen
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: in uniform and warming up. And he went through a
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of drills without the pads on. But then
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: when the team came out and pads, he came out.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: He warmed up with the team. He went through drills.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: He looked good.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: And we're talking about the two receivers also, Brian Thomas Jr.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and Jacoby Myers.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Wait, we're on the receiver Brian Thomas now.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I just want to make sure. Brian with an I,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the guy who spells it the right way. And Jacoby,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: and the word is both of them should be able
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: to practice. But we'll have official injury report next week.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when they have to give it.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go back. I tripped you up on McLeod.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I had him wrong. He was a six, but you
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: said that during the break he played.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I thought he played well. He played well, and I
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: give credit to some of those guys that played so
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: many snaps, and I was looking at the sheet here.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Some of the offensive linemen went the entire game, like
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Carvin Obadeguu, Zaire, and Ricky Lee, and then on defense,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Jabbar Muhammad played nearly every snap on defense, which was 47,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: and then he added 14 snaps on special teams. There
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: was a number of guys on defense that had the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: defensive snaps and also special team snaps, and that was
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Jabbar Muhammad, Brian Thomas Jr., and then Wesley Williams, who
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: played a ton of special team snaps as well, and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: then Jalen McLeod. I think Jalen and Wesley Williams, they
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: had like 19 special team snaps alone. So those guys,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you, when they woke up the next day
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: on Saturday morning, they were tired.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they got opportunities, and that's what players want,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: and they give them here in Jacksonville. What a dominant
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: performance in that game. Really, when you think about a
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: shutout that the defense had, I think they gave up
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: six first downs, 87 yards. I mean, you couldn't draw
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: up finishing training camp any better than the dominant performance
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: they had in the joint practice against Tampa Bay and
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: then the performance they had as a team in the
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: last preseason game.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Well done.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: All right, so we've got two more position groups on
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: the defensive side. Do you want to go to defensive tackle,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: or do you want to stay in the secondary and
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: talk about the corners?
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Stay on the corners, since we were just talking about
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Jamar Muhammad, who we were thinking that there might be
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a battle between him and then
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: also Braswell on the other for that last spot, possibly.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: And I think that there was a little bit of
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: an advantage because Jamar Muhammad has played mostly kind of
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: corner spots, whereas Braswell... has a little bit more skillset
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: tailored to nickel. And here's the question that I'll ask
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: both of you. How much have we seen of Jordan Lewis?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: who right i mean i've seen him at all and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: i love him okay too love him great player last
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: year and campy was amazing i know they're working them
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: back in a little bit but i i think because
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: of maybe a little bit of that situation with jordan
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: lewis and we haven't seen him a ton Maybe they
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: leaned a little bit towards a Christian Braswell for that
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: final kind of defensive back spot.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he gives you position flex like you're talking about
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: right now, and there's great value in that as far
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: as that's concerned. The fact that he can play the
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: nickel corner, if you will, and outside too, so excellent.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: We're assuming that this group takes a big step up
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: because Travis Hunter is the starting cornerback on one side.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Is he?
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's where I'm going. I'm asking you,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: big boy.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's going to be– I mean,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I expect him to be.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what we've seen during training camp.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: He's been running with the ones. Here's, I think, the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: thing that everybody's going to be showing up for game
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: one against the Cleveland Browns and it's going to be
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: really intriguing. What's it look like? How does Travis Hunter
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: rotate with the defense? How do you end up getting
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Jarrion Jones in there? They're all capable. And there's no
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: question that Travis has the best man-covered skills by far.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: of any of them. But how does it look? I mean,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: how do they handle the rotation of those guys? Is
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: it going to be some packages one guy is in,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: another guy is in, and another package? Because as a coach,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: you start doing that, then all of a sudden it's predictable.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: You don't want to give any tells away as far
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: as that's concerned. But with the strength of the talent
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: at this position, it's a good spot to be in
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: if you are the coach.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: There have been times in not that distant past in
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Jaguars history Who's going to play this week? Who you got?
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Anybody on the practice squad or are we going out
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: and looking on the street?
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: I'd rather be sitting in the seat we are right now.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: It seems like an abundance of riches, to be honest
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: And I haven't been in that seat very often. This
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: is a great spot.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Am I wrong? Are we overvaluing this group or do
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: they have the ability to be as good as it appears?
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I think you're overvaluing it a little bit just
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: from the standpoint of I want to see it first.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And I think last year–
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: We thought it was pretty good. But if they're at
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: that level, that's not good enough this year. It needs
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: to jump a couple notches of performance in the back
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: end at that corner position. And I think Travis Hunter's
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: presence will definitely help that. I don't think there's any
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: doubt because when he was on the field on defense
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: last year, he had a big impact. His skill set
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: is one of those guys that you can put them
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: on an elite receiver and you can cover them. Now,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Last year, there was almost the impression that it was
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: kind of a dabble in defense, dabble in offense. And
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it's going to be this year,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: but I kind of get the impression it's going to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: be a lot of defense and dabble on offense this
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: time around.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: I agree with you on that as far as that's concerned.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: And I would drown Travis in defensive reps. You know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: he's been able to make plays because he's just highly gifted,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: an elite athlete, and he's relied on that well. The
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: big boys are coming now, and every week coming up,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: that game speed is going to be faster and faster.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: He's going to go against the best they got. So
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: technique is going to be critical. So the more reps
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: that he can get in improving his technique, it will
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: lead to better execution.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest storylines going into opening week,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I think from a national scale, is going to be,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: number one, Deshaun Watson. playing for the Cleveland Browns, which
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I think it's a bit unfortunate that that's going to
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: be a big storyline for this game instead of, hey, look,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you know, the Jaguars coming back from 13 win season
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: and primed to look even better. But the second biggest
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: storyline will probably be Travis Hunter on the national scale.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Should be. Yeah. People have been talking about the Jaguars.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I listen to a lot of the national stuff and
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: they get to Travis Hunter in the fourth or fifth
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: minute of a conversation about the team. They talk about
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: everyone but Travis Hunters. Hey, he only played seven games
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: last year. We were just starting to see what he
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: was all about. Hey, what are your thoughts on what
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: did you see from Matt Arujo, the new defensive pass
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: game coordinator? They brought him in because they thought that
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: his style matched Campanile's to a little better degree. And
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Tony Buscelli had been beating the drum about stickier coverage.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let me say this.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: I've watched excellent drill work, great teaching. I watched the
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: guy high-energy. good connection with the players. I've listened to
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: them talk about him and how he's affected them. They've
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: got high respect for this guy. I think he's a
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: real strong addition to this staff in terms of, again,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: no wasted time, direct, applicable drills, not just drills that
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: some people run, but ones to get these guys better
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: in their technique. Seems to be a great technician, great teacher,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: and a highly disciplined guy where they He's not going
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: to let these guys slide from being their best.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I think we need to look at changing play callers
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: this year on defense. I mean, you got a shutout
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: in preseason game, right? You had a bunch of different
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: guys calling plays.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Where are you going with this, Logs?
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Hold on. What are we doing with Campanelli, right?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: He would laugh at that one, too. Hey, how about
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: shifting to the big guys up front here before we
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: take our next break? Eric Armstead did not play. You
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: should put the unblockable Eric Armstead. That's what you should
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: call him. The unblockable Eric Armstead.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's how good he's been.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Sounds like a superhero.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: That's how good he's been.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: We'll talk more about that because we didn't see him
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: hardly at all. But when we did, he was the unblockable.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: He has been fantastic. I can't wait to see what
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: he's going to do in the regular season. And I
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: think his role is going to be very defined and
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: that he's going to be that second and long third
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: down guy. And then when you're in first down, it's
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: all about stopping the run game, and you're going to
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: have Matt Dickerson along with Devon Hamilton, the two big
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: immovable forces. And I think it's a great situation to
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: be in to have those two guys and an Eric
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Armstead subbing in to be that pass-rushing guy.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Can't be any better than that. And, boy, kudos to
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Matt Dickerson and what he's brought in terms of the defense,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: the physicality, the toughness, and just his whole story.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: But I'm with you on that.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can have the luxury of playing tough
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: ball on first and second down, and then you get
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: this guy Armstead in the game where now his flash
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: and his length and his suddenness On.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: Guards, interior, oh, my gosh. I mean, he couldn't be
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: in a better position. He's kind of a bully. Oh, gosh, yes,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: he is.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's, you know, at the end of the play,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: there's pushing and shoving. And he's always in there. You know,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: he's kind of like, no, I'm talking about Dickerson. He's
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: not a big money guy. Yeah, I mean, Dickerson's that guy.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: He's kind of like that bully, you know. Devon Hamilton's
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: so nice. I mean, he would never push. You know,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: in Armstead, no, he doesn't do that stuff.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: No, Dickerson, I like what I see out of that guy.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: He's a brawler now. He wants to get in there
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: and mix it up constantly.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: How about the two guys behind him? We saw a
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: flash from Albert Regis in New Orleans, and then he
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: had the soft tissue injury. What did you see from Rook?
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Row, row, row, row.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Fast in case I say it wrong. Row, row, row
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: your boat. I like his athleticism, but he's one of
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: those guys that I put in the category with the safeties,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: the two young safeties, in that he's got to show it.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: He definitely has some athleticism. I like his pass rush ability.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: His size is tremendous. His length is tremendous. He's one
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: of those guys, height, weight, you put him right there
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: at the top of the board. But there's a reason
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: why he was traded here, and then our guy was
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: traded there.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Mason Smith.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: So both of those guys have a lot to prove.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think consistency is going to be the key,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: as it is for all players. You know, you want
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: to see consistent production.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: He's flashed.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Now, even in the two joints I saw here at
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Carolina and Tampa Bay, you know, he showed to be flashed.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: And you go, woo.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: You know, but we got to see woo a lot
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: more often.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: So consistent.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Let's wrap it up then with the idea of Trayvon
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Walker playing inside some and how this whole group of
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: pass rushing ends helps them get him inside on third down.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Because that's been a lot of talk.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, look, you don't have a
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: lot of pass rushing defensive tackles once you get past Armstead.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: And Trayvon, I think, is going to be that guy
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: at times. It's not always going to be all the time.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: But the depth at the defensive end position is going
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: to allow you that luxury of letting Trayvon kick in.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: And when Trayvon gets going, and Trayvon's still got to really,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I think, dial in. on staying on the edges of
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: people instead of just trying to be this power guy
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: all the time?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: It would be hard if you were that strong not
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: to do that.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Well, he is strong. He's incredibly strong. But in the NFL,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are strong. And when
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the guys are prepared for it, you can stop the power.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: When guys think that you might go to the edge
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: or speed or something different and they're not ready for
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: the power, that's when Trayvon looks like he's just this
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: incredibly strong guy non-human being. And so I hope he
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: learns to stay on the edges of guys and to
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: utilize the full array of moves instead of trying to
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: push a lot.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: That's how he's going to get his edge, just what
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Jeff properly described right there. When the offensive linemen, whether
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: it be guards or tackles, aren't really sure that you're
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: not just a bowler, you can get on edges right now,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: they get a little nervous. We want them nervous all game.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: All right, one more segment.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Vasselli had this, me and him had this conversation all
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the time, and he teaches offensive linemen. It's okay to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: get bulled, you know, especially if guys are big because,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: you know, look, if it takes them three seconds to
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: bull you back to the quarterback, okay, go ahead and
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: do it, right? I mean, you don't want to allow,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: as an offensive lineman, the clean wins. And so like
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: with Trayvon, if an offensive lineman is being taught, look,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: just go ahead and take the bull, just slow it
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: down a little bit, so it's not so fast. So
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: if Trayvon learns how to do that, and I think
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: he's definitely increased his toolkit, so to speak, As far
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: as working the edges of guys, if he sticks with that,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: he's going to have a really good year.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: All right. When we come back, Mr. Chubbies, players to watch.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: We got some.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, we don't have wings.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, wings.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I thought we were going to have wings. I was
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: getting excited there for a minute.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Somebody make sure there's wings here next week.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Please, Mr.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Chubby, wings next week. We'll break. You're listening to Jags
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Happy Hour. Jags HQ, by the way, comes your way
• 40:11
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• 40:13
  Speaker 2: after this on 1010XL and 92.5 FM. And welcome back.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: This segment is presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings. Before the game,
• 40:30
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• 40:33
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• 40:38
  Speaker 2: By the way, we go till straight up, 5 o'clock,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: and then Tony Pacelli and Jeff Gladstone join Mr. Lagerman
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: and myself for Jags HQ. All right, players to watch.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Start with you. The first number that came back to
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: me was 75, Emmanuel Pregnant, when I asked you about
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: it yesterday.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a very rare guy in that there's not
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of offensive linemen in the league that can
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: truly move people, and he truly moves people. And I
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: think that there's going to be some hiccups along the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: way because defensive coordinators are going to test them. If
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: you're a D.C. Duff, I mean, I'd like to put in–
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe a three-man game or some of those, you know,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: what we call the chip rushes where the linebacker comes
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: up and hits the hip of the guard and loops
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: under or the tackle loops under. I'm going to attack
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: him a little bit. So he's going to have to
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: be ready for a little bit of that.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. And you're absolutely right. The
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: pick games, the twist games, those TEs and ETs, as
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: we like to call them, that they're going to try
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: on him will be something the defense will try. But
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: I love the fact that they've got, again, They've got
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Tavon on one side, Hamilton on one side, or Harrison
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: on one side, and our center, Hainsey, on the other
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: side to help them in terms of the experience and
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: the wisdom.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: The thing that I really liked is that in the
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: joint with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Buccaneers have a guy
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: by the name of Vita Veya.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: He's more like two guys. He's pretty good.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: He is like two guys.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: And he didn't get a ton of snaps. Vita and
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Veya didn't get a ton of snaps, but there was
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: a couple snaps where Eman or Manuel Pregnon and it
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: was a very effective thing. And so I liked what
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I saw. And I'm excited about Pregnon. I mean, what
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: he's been able to do with this offensive line I
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: think was critical because when this football team went down
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: to New Orleans and did not have a very good
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: joint practice, the insertion of Emmanuel Pregnon I think really
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: jump-started this offensive line's performance into practice. a more positive direction,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: and you saw it in the joint against Carolina. You
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: saw it continue to get better as it went to
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: the joint with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And to be
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: perfectly honest, Ezra Cleveland went from having a not very
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: good camp to having and finishing with an outstanding camp
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: at right guard when he got moved. So it worked out.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I think it was the motivation or just being on
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: the right-hand side.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is if you all of a
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: sudden get taken out and then get moved, what's the
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: next step?
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think after that.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I just wondered, maybe you thought maybe he's a better
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: right guard. I don't know.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: No, I'm right with you.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I think after that, again, the New Orleans joint practice,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: a number of guys stepped up. I think Harrison, you know, again,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: knew over there on the left tackle, but he had
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: his best camp the last two weeks, as did Ezra.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: So the insertion of Emmanuel, like you talked about, the
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: left guard position, had a ripple effect across the board.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: It did. Chase Young. took Anton Harrison, just, you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: took him out back, beat him up a little bit
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: in that joint.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: So it's interesting with the offensive line. You've got a
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: new left tackle. You've got a rookie left guard. Center's
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: the same. You've got a new right guard. And your
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: right tackle has not practiced yet. So how do you
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: feel about this offensive line group going into September? Work
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: in progress or they're well coached and they'll be ready
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: to go?
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I'm leaning towards the well coach and they'll be ready
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: to go now these these reps even though there's i
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: guess three practices this this week that group working together
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: as much as possible this will be more uh fundamentals
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: and drills and techniques this week probably but all every
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: snap from this point on is critical to their mesh
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: if you will as a as a unit i think
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: ezra cleveland's you know proven he can play on either
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: side and and play well and i think harrison's in
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: the spot he should be in. We're not worried about
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: talking about that anymore. I see a lot of those
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: things coming along. Walker Little is going to have to
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: step up for us, but I kind of have a
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: good feeling of where it's heading.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I like the depth. I really do. I think if
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: this offensive line group has an injury, I think that
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: they can handle it because they have some depth. Because
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: you have depth, you also have a natural level of competition,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: which is going to allow or push people to be
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: at their best. And if somebody's not at their best,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: the reality is it's a, uh, NFL, not for long league. And, uh,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: if your job is not at the level that's acceptable,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: then the guy that's behind you will be inserted in next.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: We don't know, but you've had the knee injury before
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: and you've been on pop before. So what's your best
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: guess on how long it takes cold to be ready
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: to go? I mean, it, Are people who think he
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: might play next week being a little too optimistic?
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think they're being too optimistic, but I
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: don't want to say that people should expect that. The
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: hardest thing coming back from an ACL and a knee
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: injury is the tendonitis that can happen from the surgery
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: procedure and the style in which they do it. A
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: lot of times you get the patellar tendonitis that can
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: be a little bit bothersome, and so you've got to
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: kind of work through some of that. As long as
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the knee and the structure of the knee has reached
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: a time period where they're comfortable with and the strength
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: level is at an acceptable level and then there's no
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: discomfort that prohibits the player from being able to utilize
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: that leg in a normal fashion so he's not at
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: risk of hurting something else because he's trying to make
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: up for the lack of strength in that particular leg,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: then I think he's going to be ready to go.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: The great thing is that with the depth that you
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: have and the way that they have designed this roster,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: they can handle the absence of Cole Van Lannen for
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: a period of time. And that's okay. So you bring
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: him back when he's ready to come back, not when
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: you need him back.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I fully agree with that. I mean, again, the.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Offensive line coaches and the staff have have really invested
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: in cross-training, and they've gotten hit in depth by doing that.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: And I saw that last season where guys moved from
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: left to right, from guard to tackle, stuff that a
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: lot of teams aren't often– they're very reluctant to do.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: They're not here.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: And so I agree with that. I mean, Monheim, Milam,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: the guys we've got, you know, I have a lot
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: of confidence in those guys. And then I think, again,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: just to dovetail what Jeff said and Colvin and Lennon,
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: you know, you don't want to rush right now. He
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: needs to get the stress and the strain of football,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: not rehab drills, not even some of the good stuff
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I've seen him doing on the sideline. He needs to
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: get into practice and get the torque and the strains
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: that you're going to get with pads on in that position.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: It's a tough position played by tough men. So as
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: many reps as he can get, which may not be
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: even enough for him to come out of it confident
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: prior to the first game, it may take a little
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: longer than we think.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I think offensive linemen, too, it's a little easier to
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: come back. I mean, you know, the reality is they're
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: not great athletes.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: I'll save that for Guselli.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have that one. Chewed up and ready to go.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Good call.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: How about him on the right side? I think you've–
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: last year he started at every position but center. So
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: clearly he's one of those guys that can play anywhere
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: you ask him to play.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: He can play center.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he actually was snappy last year for a period
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: of time.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: So where's he best suited to play?
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Right tackle.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he and I had that conversation last year,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: and that offensive linemen like to have, like most of us, okay,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: you're right-handed, I'm right-handed, and If I'm right handed, some
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: guys like to have their inside hand be their dominant hand.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: So they want to play left tackle. Some guys actually
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: like to have their dominant hand be the outside. So
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: it's all comfort. And then also the setting, you know,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: setting on the left is different than the right. So
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: it's a matter of just kind of personal preference. But
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Cole told me, he said, I prefer the right, but
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I'll play anywhere, which is obvious last year. He can
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: play anywhere and play well.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Just to note, you mentioned depth. Wyatt Milam is a
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: name we've talked about. Jonah Monheim is a name that
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: we've talked about.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: The last time I checked, he was getting reps with
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the one. Well, you know, I mean, what does that
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: tell you? That's what you call nipping at the heels.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And lots of versatility because Milam can play inside or
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: out both sides of the line. Ezra, right? I mean,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: if you needed to.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: He could play tackle.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: In a pinch.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: He did in Cleveland in 2023.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think for for the start
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: of the season is if you had an issue like
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: at left tackle let's say Anton has an issue I
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: think Walker goes left and then you could bring something
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: like a Wyatt Milam into right and that's assuming Cole
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Van Lannen is not ready to go for that first
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: game but you've got a lot of flexibility to move
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: guys around Ezra could kick out and then Vallele could
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: kick in at right guard. So you've got some options.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: That's the big guy, right?
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: He's a really big guy. He is the big guy.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: But let me say this.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: I've never seen a team in my 28 years in
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: the NFL that has– promoted that type of position flexibility.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: So we're in good shape there.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: All right. And we're in good shape here as we
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: round out our number one. Mark, you're taking off. We'll
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: see you next Thursday to talk about the Cleveland Browns.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: Can't wait. Thank you.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Loggie, you're staying put because you have to answer for
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: that question, that comment about.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Offensive assignment or lack of athleticism.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Something tells me you'll do it with a great big
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: broad smile on your face. That'll do it for our
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: number one. Folks, thanks for joining us. We continue coming
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: up here in the next 20 seconds. when Tony Buscelli
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: and James Gladstone walk into the room. Thanks for joining
• 50:20
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