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Spawn and the Art of Small Talk · Brainwaves

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  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this exciting episode of Two
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  Shot Tuesday, Barry. It's our 11th episode available
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  on YouTube and our 250 something episode available everywhere you
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  get your podcasts. Have you been checking out Two
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  Shot Tuesday? Where you get your podcast,
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  Barry? Yeah, I sure have.
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  I never miss a week. Nice.
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  So I'm happy. What's your?
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  Support the show. It's your preferred way of
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  consuming podcasts for our listeners.
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  Well, of late it's been watching them, but of.
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  Late. Yeah, of late.
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  But you know, I'm, I'm happy to listen to, I mean, I don't, I'm
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  not kind of married to one or the other.
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  It depends on the situation, right?
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  Talk to me about what helps you come up with that situation.
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  I've left right into the hard questions for the day before we
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  even have gotten into our first shot.
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  Right. Well, I guess it depends if I'm
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  like at the office and I'm working, I it will not be a
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  video component because then that's just way too obvious that
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  I am doing something else in addition to my regular duties.
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  But yeah, I don't know. I mean, I do like watching them
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  on the big screen. I got the Spotify app, my TV as
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  you do as well. That's one of the things about
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  the Sony flagships. So yeah, I don't know.
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  I'll say happy to do either one. There's no, there's no, you
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  know, a stake in the ground. Today is the day I must watch it
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  versus listening. What about you?
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  I listen to my podcast because I'm usually working out,
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  walking, cooking at home. Nice.
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  Those are kind of the three areas where I'm listening to
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  podcast. And so video I find just doesn't
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  work for me because I can't stop myself to kind of watch and see
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  what's being held up or whatever they're they're showing.
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  So my preferred method is listening to podcasts, although
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  it's video podcasts that are taking off.
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  So we I am in the minority. You kind of straddle the line of
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  both and I think it kind of comes and goes about.
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  I'm surprised people can stay glued to a screen.
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  Maybe they don't stay glued, but they just like the option maybe
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  of glancing down and seeing when there's a visual component,
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  which they're very well. Maybe in this show, I don't
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  know. We'll find out.
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  There could be. Well before we go any further,
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  let's have our first shot of the evening.
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  Jay, this is a non alcoholic sober show for yours.
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  Trulia just finished a big workout so I am beginning with
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  some protein from our friends that lift the city supplements.
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  Flavor. Have you got always the same
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  I am going back to a classic. I am doing a classic lemon
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  squeezy in a shakeable container and that's in your honor along
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  with your sober show. It will be my sober show.
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  Here's to you, Jay. Cheers.
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  All right, Barry, what have you got for us today that you want
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  to get off your chest or would you like me to kick off?
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  Well, I can provide a quick review of a concert that I went
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  to about four or five days ago. I was fortunate enough to see
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  the surviving members of The Pogues, so you may know them.
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  They put Irish music on the map and they appeared in history
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  along with like a 10 piece orchestra.
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  I mean, they had a harp on stage, they had a piano, they
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  had a horn section and an enormous, like, it was like a
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  bass drum on steroids. I've never seen a drum as large
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  as this that was also there, Yeah.
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  Notable drum that big that you you've made note of it.
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  Yeah, I was like, what is that? And Chris was like, well, I
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  think it's some kind of bass drum.
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  But it was like, enormous. Anyway, it was a really great
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  time. There wasn't a dry eye in the
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  house. They sang rum sodomy in the
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  lash. Start to Finish, which is the
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  40th anniversary of that record being released, came out in 85
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  because the singer Shane McGowan has passed on Spider Stacy, who
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  was one of the original members and did take over the singing
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  duties back in the day when Shane's drinking, you know, kind
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  of sidelined him as the front man from the band.
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  So sounded fantastic. But there were other people that
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  also sang a couple of songs. It was a gallop that came as
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  part of the tour. So she sang, you know, one of
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  their most popular tracks, and it was fantastic.
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  It really was great vibe. Funny, though, you look around,
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  it was just, you know, it's the joke of many concerts is it's
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  stuff white people like. So if you want to see a bunch of
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  white people, they were all at the Pogue show.
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  Yeah, just because it's an Irish band.
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  I mean, it makes sense. But we did see some younger
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  people there. And I was happy to see that,
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  like Gen. Z age people getting exposed to
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  The Pogues. I thought, wow, this is pretty
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  cool because this band is, you know, they're not exactly
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  releasing new stuff. This was sort of like a victory
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  lap tour for them to commemorate one of their biggest records
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  ever. And it was really a lot of fun,
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  very professional. The other cool thing at history,
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  I guess this was at the behest of the band.
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  They didn't stop serving alcohol until the very last song until
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  they walked off stage. Then the bars closed, which is
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  unusual. So usually they have a cut off
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  time, but they said this time, no, we're we are serving until
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  the band leaves the stage and that was their request.
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  Pretty cool. OK.
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  And how long was the show? How long did they play?
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  Oh, I would say an hour and a half.
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  There was an opener as well, but The Pogues were about an hour
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  and a half, maybe a touch less than that.
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  It's really hard to tell when you're kind of in the moment.
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  It was like 1 giant sing along, Jay.
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  There were so many songs that everyone knew the the lyrics to
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  was really cool. It was like a preview of like a,
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  you know, Saint Patrick's Day kind of thing.
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  It was great. And I did decide to pick up a
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  shirt. This was one of those I.
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  Knew this was going to be. Well, but also when it's, I
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  think this is going to be a one and done.
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  I can't see them returning to Toronto.
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  Maybe they'll do some, you know, shows in the UK, but I really
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  feel like this is kind of like a 11 and done opportunity.
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  So I stood in line, got a shirt, very happy with it and something
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  I can wear for future Saint Patrick's days.
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  Fantastic. Now they you were saying the
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  lead singer, the former lead singer passed away.
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  That's right. And has been out of the band for
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  some time before even passing away.
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  Has he? Had he tried to come back at
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  all? Or when he was gone, he was
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  gone? I believe when he was gone,
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  like, I don't know the full history, but he unfortunately
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  was in the grips of addiction that sidelined him and he really
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  wasn't able to fulfill the duties of a front man.
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  So even if he wanted to come back, I think he was just on in
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  the grips of addiction to the point where it, you know, didn't
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  allow him to return in any meaningful way.
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  But thankfully they had another guy, like I said, Spider Stacy,
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  who took over the singing duties.
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  And he sounds very similar to Shane.
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  And in one of the songs pair of brown eyes, he sang that and it
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  was just like, man, it was just sounded amazing.
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  And it sounded like the original guy was really cool.
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  And, you know, there were a few times where Chris and I both
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  were, yeah, a little misty at some of these songs being
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  performed, like, because I'd never heard them in any other
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  form, right? I'd only ever heard them MP3 or
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  CD. But seeing anything performed
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  live, especially when it's that iconic of a song, you know,
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  these Irish standards that many people know, when you see them
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  perform live, it's really another thing altogether.
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  It's kind of a transcendent experience.
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  Were you both kind of standing there with your lips quivering
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  at the same time or did did the waves come on you at separate
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  times? How did you, how did you handle
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  that? I'm curious.
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  My my focus was primarily on the performance, but you'd look
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  over, I don't know exactly whose lip quivered first, but you
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  know, this is a question for Chris when we see him in a
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  couple of weeks. So, and we will.
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  Yeah, Yeah, we will. He's, you know, he's approaching
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  his 50th birthday. He's moving into that.
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  Yeah. Emotional type.
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  You, you saw the whiskey overtake me last week.
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  It was. Absolutely it.
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  Was quite a bit. And so if Pogue's music
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  overtakes you, then you know what?
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  That's fair. That is fair, Sir.
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  Thank you. I think we need to do shot
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  number two of our sober show before we get too emotional here
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  ourselves. And I'm going back to the lemon
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  squeezy. What have you got?
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  Cheers. Cheers.
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  Before we get into and we're going to do a RIP from the
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  headlines, I have got a a review I want to do and I'm going to
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  show something for those tuning in on video.
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  Yeah, I want you to check this out here.
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  OK, what am I looking at you? You're looking at the Spawn
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  Origins Deluxe hardcover edition.
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  This is volume 5. I just picked up volume 8 so I'm
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  a little behind in my reading. This collects the classic Todd
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  McFarlane in 1992. This was the second Image comic
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  released from Image Comics. Means nothing to you.
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  To some of our listeners, you will understand this.
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  Todd McFarlane, one of the top Spider Man artists of all time,
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  sort of created the Spider Man Look, I've got his original art
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  book at the mini mansion that you've seen.
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  I actually showed it to DJ Teenage Werewolf when he was
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  here. I'll show it to you in more
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  detail, showing his actual pencils.
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  Anyway, he broke away. He and some top creators in
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  199192 left to start their own comic label called Image Comics.
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  And since then Spawn has been continually published to this
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  day. So there are now almost 400
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  issues of Spawn. And so I've decided it's, it's
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  not the greatest series of all time.
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  He only drew maybe the first not even 20 issues.
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  But it's got this kind of fun artwork style that just brings
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  me back to the 90s. It's pure nostalgia for me.
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  I'm trying to, I can devour like I, I'm enjoying it.
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  I think I read like 3 issues on the weekend and I'll just
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  continue to kind of move my way through it.
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  And it's a fun book. It doesn't make it a lot of
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  sense. It's not like it seems like it's
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  a bit overwritten. He's he's a writer.
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  He's writing a lot of these stories.
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  Yeah. It's going to sound like I'm
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  slagging on it, but I I actually really do quite enjoy it.
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  It's just a lot of fun. It's not like I said the best
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  thing. There's almost there's typos in
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  some of the issues, so little bit lacks on the editorial side
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  of it, some incorrect uses of punctuation and things like
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  that. But again, wow, it's a fun comic
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  Spawn. You're familiar with the movie
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  The Failed Movie of 1997 starring I've.
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  Heard of it? Yeah.
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  Which is coming out in a 4K release that I made.
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  Yes, it is and and. It's a super deluxe release if I
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  recall that includes the lobby cards, the poster, the yes, the
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  bound booklet. It's Arrow Films putting it out,
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  so yes. Spawn is a very, the, the first
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  issues that I did read and I kind of came back to it a bunch
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  of times. It was always it's a it's a
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  military guy. He was killed.
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  He's trying to get back to his wife.
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  There's a lot of that They drag out this trying to get back to
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  his wife's story, but he becomes a an agent of hell.
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  And in this war between heaven and hell that I'm in now at
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  issue 115 is still continuing. It's sort of sidelined a few
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  times. He's become a board of hell.
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  There's all these other stories. He ends up going across these,
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  solving some kind of crimes basically is an excuse to kind
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  of tell any kind of story that they want.
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  But I admire the creativity, some of the some incredible
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  artwork from himself. A guy named Greg Capullo, Angel
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  Medina is the artist of this one.
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  All sticking to a certain style and it's OK and I quite enjoy
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  it. So that's Spawn, and I'll keep
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  our listeners and viewers up to date as I work my way through
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  this very slowly. Yeah, sounds good.
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  So are you any closer to adding the film to your library to kind
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  of like add to your spawn family?
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  Is that something you're thinking of doing now or?
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  It's it's not out yet. It's will be out at some point.
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  I can't even pre-order it. It's not available for
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  pre-order. But if it was I might quickly
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  snap that up. There was an HBO series which I
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  did enjoy in the 90s that came out throughout Rancy three
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  seasons and it was an animated 1, so it was really good.
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  OK. Yeah, so that's Spawn.
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  So check out Spawn. Some comfort food for the comics
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  lover in you that wants to enjoy some 90s nostalgic.
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  That's when it was all about the artist.
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  In the 90s, writers took a second back seat to the artist
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  and their crazy ideas. That's when characters like
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  Deadpool were birthed. Cable, a lot of these other big
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  characters. Yeah.
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  Anyway, we'll talk about that more on another episode.
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  Please what? I do want to do now because you
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  sent them over is let's, let's get ripped from the headlines.
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  Our audience loves that, Loves it.
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  All right, I'm going to pick one at random.
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  Yeah, it's kind of fun. Scroll through.
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  I'm going to pick #3 aha. Here we go.
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  Here it is ripped from the headlines, Barry.
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  OK. Oxford video game exhibition
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  explores storytelling. Yes, now you and I are not
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  gamers necessarily. Not at all.
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  Not at all. Yeah, but I do know people, and
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  you do as well, that are very much into gaming.
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  And I guess this is about where it is today versus, you know,
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  like the original Nintendo games were pretty standard stories,
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  but now you have these fully immersive worlds, even have VR
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  headsets where you can be a character.
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  I mean, Rob Peetz, our movie guy could certainly speak to this
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  and he's very much gamer and has AVR headset and is in to all
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  this kind of stuff. Guess they're making a big push
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  and some people think that this is, you know, a direct
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  competitor to Hollywood is these really super immersive video
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  games that are just, you know, sucking people in versus them
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  going to the theater. What do you think about that?
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  I could see that and you got a lot out of the headline, so
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  thank you for that. I can actually see that
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  happening because people are kind of craving that immersive
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  experience. A lot of people aren't going out
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  to bars and clubs and all that. They want kind of a different
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  experience and a lot of the people are maybe not hanging out
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  with friends as much. So they want to from the comfort
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  of their own home, have this kind of interesting experience
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  and be a part of the story. I think that's also part of this
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  whole YouTube movement. We host a podcast.
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  People want to be the stars of their own stories and for sure,
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  but but get away from real life. It's not like go to the office
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  video game. This is no.
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  You know. So I think absolutely it's a
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  huge business. We should actually maybe get Rob
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  to touch on it if you wouldn't mind when he comes back in a few
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  weeks to do and you guys are going to review an upcoming film
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  and he. Not just any upcoming film, Jay.
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  I forget the newest the newest film from Paul Thomas Anderson
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  and it's called 1 Battle After Another with Leonardo DiCaprio,
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  Sean Oh yeah and many others and it looks insane.
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  Apparently the 1st 30 minutes of this movie has more action Jay
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  than ET Anderson's entire filmography combined.
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  Is that a lot? That's a.
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  Lot because does he do a lot of action?
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  Well that's the thing I guess. It pops up like there was action
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  in Boogie Nights, there was some action in Magnolia.
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  Not necessarily gunplay but this is apparently like there's so
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  much going on in the 1st 30 minutes it's almost too much to
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  digest. It's going to feel like an
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  action movie. It's going to feel like at least
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  for the 1st 30 Now, I understand the runtime kind of spooked you
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  a little bit, and rightly so. This thing is coming in at 3
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  hours long. So I don't know what has been
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  cut out, if anything. But you know, with PT Anderson,
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  he, you know, he's, I don't know how to explain it.
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  He tells a full story. Let's just say that.
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  He just lets it unfold and apparently it's getting amazing
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  reviews. I enjoy watching one of his
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  movies on DVD, like to where I can pause 30 times and take a
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  break. OK, we wandered a bit off of
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  that topic for a bit, so let's bring us back with one more RIP
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  from the headlines. All right, I think we got to the
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  bottom of that first one. As we say, how about this
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  shortcut? The shortcut to close bonds,
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  asking meaningful questions. Very.
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  All right, you know something about this.
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  And as do you, not just as a podcaster, but just as a well
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  calibrated human being who understands that every
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  interaction is not a Ted talk. In fact, it's a back and forth.
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  It is a dance. That's how you get to create
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  meaningful bonds. This one hits you a bit
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  different. Explain that to me.
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  You you really see the value in a good back and forth.
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  I do, and in fact, it's one of my it's kind of a pet peeve for
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  those who do not do that and just simply talk at you.
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  I find that irritating. I got to be honest with you.
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  So that's why I enjoy the company of yourself and other
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  people that I know were, you know, you can actually have a
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  back and forth conversation, but there are people as well who
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  just kind of launch into long stories and maybe that's how
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  they discover new things about people.
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  I I don't know this not my preferred style.
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  Well, you, I, I'll launch into no stories given half a chance.
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  I, you bring it out in me and you and our other, you know, we
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  had Craig Zavitz on. I marvel at the way the two of
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  you in particular ask incredible questions in a social setting.
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  You'll both find the people. You are both the center of
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  attention. And I really I like I can study
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  the questions that are asked because I don't ask a lot and I
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  don't know what to ask. They don't come to me, but to
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  you they seem to come from the heavens.
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  Craig also has this gift where they'll just come and they'll be
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  great open-ended questions. Yep, Yep.
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  No, that is definitely a skill that Craig has.
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  I would also say the same thing about executive producer Aldo
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  Roma. He's also an expert in asking
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  thoughtful, intelligent questions and not just waiting
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  for his turn to start talking. Actually has an interest in the
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  answer. Which is another thing that I
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  don't know whether you can teach this stuff, Jay, or whether it's
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  just kind of part of you or maybe maybe it is teachable, but
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  maybe I don't know. I think yeah, it's, it's
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  definitely a part of you to be able to be wired that way, to
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  think that way. It's incredible.
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  Anyway, that again, another one we got to the bottom of.
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  You've got to ask meaningful questions.
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  Maybe you want to write some down ahead of time.
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  If you're like me and they don't come to you instantly, but or
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  just stand next to Barry T Nixon, Craig Zabbits in a row, I
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  mean you. You could do that, Jay.
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  I will say though, you do ask good questions.
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  So I, I don't think you, you know, don't sell yourself short.
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  Maybe they don't come to you like a lightning bolt, but you
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  do ask questions. You don't just launch into
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  stories that you know about people that the other parties
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  might not even know and therefore don't really care
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  about. So you don't do.
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  That, but that's true for that, yes.
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  I don't like talking about myself too much.
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  I think that's true. And so I will ask questions in a
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  way to get the attention off of me and onto somebody else.
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  For example, what would you like to say next?
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  Because I think we're coming up on time, yeah.
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