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Talks to Gary Russell about his choice of Day of the Daleks (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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I'm still a little bump in my to do it quicker.
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Welcome back to handsome with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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commentary podcast, mr. Gary Russell.
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Hello? Hello there.
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I'm going to ask you a question now.
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You did this to me last time in the last episode.
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Go on. Why is it called hamster with
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the blunt penknife? I'm sure that's a quote from the
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doctor. Who isn't it?
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I'm afraid. I don't know it because I have
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super blunt penknife or do it quicker right 09, isn't it?
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Yes. Yeah you know what?
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Because this General has he seen everybody or courts are out And
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some of them got some bloody dreary titles.
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I tell you, I said, I want something that people are going
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to remember and the genius of this.
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He ain't a title, is the hamster Emoji, which is now used across
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social media, all the time to identify the podcast.
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So, it worked right? Let's work he and it worked
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well, I have one's called the nylon be praised and that work
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for similar reasons. But thank you for the question
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we are about to head into day of the Daleks episode 4.
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I've only got one question for you before we go in and that is
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this a satisfying conclusion to the story we have so far watched
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yes, without a shadow of a doubt as a succinct answer.
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Thank you everything you want. I think it's a shame.
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I mean, clearly we know that there was material that had to
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be cut at the end. The the unit seen that referred
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back to episode one and you do rather feel that The final stuff
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on film between Pertwee into Regional Styles.
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Just feels very rushed. And it kind of the he talks to
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Regional Styles. Oh, we've seen it, haven't we
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Joe? Yes, she said, boom, winds and
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sun because you can't go, oh, well, that's a bit abrupt
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because there's obviously a lot to pack into this episode and it
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uses up its its twenty two and a half minutes.
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Very, very, very quickly but there isn't a wasted Second in
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it it's a glorious episode of Doctor Who.
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Well, should we head in? I think we should.
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You're going to count us in. I will in five, four, three,
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two, one. Do you know?
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Yeah, I said to you earlier about watching this as a child
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I've had a lot of people. A lot of websites books.
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A lot of magazines, criticized the finale of this by saying
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there's only there's only like two or three Daleks I'm feeling.
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As a child, I was utterly convinced there were a hundred
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times attacking that house with you completely because that
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criticism is such an adult criticism.
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And when you're a kid you're sitting there, you're going to
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its dialects are no grounds attacking a house and unit
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soldiers, you don't notice things, only three dialects, and
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60 guns. You just go ahead.
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So tacky the house, it's exciting, brink of war and
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someone's gonna blow it up and there's it's all gone.
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Just utterly brilliant. Really brilliant.
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It's the first time this happened.
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All the doctors on screen, I don't know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is to do.
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This is why it was so exciting. It was like we'd seen troughton
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and heart and lung screamed in the first time since they both
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left the show. It was wonderful.
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You know, I think a man, he's got a point, you know, but the
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way that shot was framed, their we put me in the front looking
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out. You have the 20 was either side
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the Daleks inside it. There was a lot going on there.
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Yeah. In a tiny set, that's clearly
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far too small for It. I love it.
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I this is this is so clever. And God again.
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Audrey Woods is just brilliant with it.
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This is so Grand, isn't he? That's quite a find out all you
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because it's best even website them.
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I was saying earlier, you know, he's got dialogue like the most
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is even dressed. Like the - he's got the narrow
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collar and everything on there. I think Barry Letts is wrong
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when he talks about him being theatrical and over-the-top he
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isn't. He's just superb.
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Well, you know, he was a very small man.
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Let's He's allowed to be wrong occasionally, it is only
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occasionally. This is what came running.
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Also, Doris Day outfits that she really didn't like washing
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around That's interesting as well.
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There's also a hundred car it probably isn't and record, the
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guy playing the guard anyway, who becomes new controller at
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the end that is future's going to be wiped out and he's
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victories. Only going to last a few seconds
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anyway, but he again it's a tiny, little thankless part and
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he, but he's been in it for three episodes and he's really
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mesmerizing, he's very good. Let's count this classic look,
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and he's wearing a mask and he's got a beard is What you might as
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well be bearing? An ogre on mask for, you know,
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the expression he's able to give but he does.
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He has a very expressive face and plays cynicism and
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snarkiness. I think really, really well
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reminds me of one of those very short been with restrained
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anger, that is allowed to lean out every now and again, there's
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a little bit scary, bit, like some of those people that if
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you've ever been to sort of the Excel or Olympia, when they have
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those big events on where the guests are sort of signing
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autographs and He's a bit like the kind of people they employ
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their to walk around and be stewards.
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It's that same kind of sneery, I'm more important than you and
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you're hacking to queue up and do things and if I had a whip in
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my hand, I would absolutely use it.
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I go to one of those events. Now I'm going to be murdered by
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every one of those students. Well again I'm just going to
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point out very simple tricks to suggest if you miss it, I'll
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cushions on the floor sort of wine.
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Sal before I do again, it's that thing of trying to imply that in
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this sterile cold, everything's metallic.
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Everything's grey and green which is automatically sickly.
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Putting cushion. Sound, that's the height of
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luxury. Yes.
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Post-war kind of thing. Oh, this is this bit where he
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talks about the holes in the ground, isn't it?
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This is such a, this is pure, Exposition, but it adds a lot
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detail. Look, CAC, they, I know that
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people talk about and I think Barry interns about talked about
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this as well, that this this episode has too much.
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Exposition it, it doesn't for a kid at 8 years old watching
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this. This is the information you
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needed. This is, this is beautifully
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done, both fits and the bit later on where they talk about
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the time Paradox. Very clever.
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Writing because it just gets the message across and that whole,
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that's why I say there's the show.
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Don't tell thing is a load of old bollocks half the time.
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Was you do need to tell? It is a very good thing.
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If you've got good actors and good dialogue, you can get an
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awful lot of story across in a couple of lines and it's better
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to do that that that telling the audience and reminding them.
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What they've been watching is worth any number of fancy show.
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Don't tell shots but a slightly, but in classic who they are
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often had to use Because I didn't have the budget to show.
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Exactly. And you know what, sometimes my
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imagination could be a lot more disturbing than what I'll ever
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see us. Great.
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So they give me enough information.
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I'll fill in the blanks so that was that was a really lovely bit
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of cruel. The doctor, they're all my face
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is my family. We controllers for three
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generations and the doctors do a whole family of quislings great
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just on the nose. You know, he doesn't know
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nothing about being rude, to anybody and it's lovely.
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Miss the bit where Joe roll stars are screaming my head off?
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Yes. Been somebody that hates.
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We were probably waffling on about that.
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But yeah, and this is great for the very the very people but
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were trying to kill him episode 2 and I'll try to rescue it.
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Yeah and I'll I'll again this is what I was saying earlier about
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how good, I think, poor Bernard is as the film director because
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his use of and low shots in these and that is one of the
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Glorious deaths you Ever seen in Doctor.
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Who that mean you don't see. Bo has died.
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But his body when it's lying on the floor covered in blood with
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what looks like his leg blown off.
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He's really quite unpleasant for doctor.
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I remember as a kid watching that just thinking, oh he is,
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he's definitely dead. It's a shame.
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You have to have the Cutaway in studio, which they obviously
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forgot to shoot on location of him shouting, and that it cannot
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say quite the future. We've just a lot of concrete
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though, doesn't it? This and Frontier in space.
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But you know, I'm sorry in the nineties, a growing up in the
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1970s, the future was concrete, we had, but we had the gone
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through Art Deco and when the 60s and 70s, we had brutalism,
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which I absolutely love as why I love the South Bank, because
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it's brutalism writ large. But, you know, this is what we
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saw as a kids growing up. This is what we had around us.
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We grew up in the sixties and seventies where it was concrete,
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everything concrete was the Great.
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Sir to everything. Everything was Square.
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Huh, shine goes, there is no attempt at Beauty.
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And then that turns, you know, you just know that 200 years in
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the future, that will still be better over.
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The years have been wiped out, but concrete tower blocks full
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of survived because that's what we were taught to believe and I
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think it's true. I think it works.
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I think it's sells the whole disturbing thing.
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Very, very well as depressing as hell as well as I did.
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You see how the cameras swung around their Works they got away
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not a lot of videos, get those Quiet Moments of oh shit.
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Yeah. Mike also hadn't occurred to me
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to a watching it now, this must be one of the very last stories,
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I'm sure moment. I said that 10,000 people will
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point out loads of others, but a very 60s thing is Fade to Black
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rather than Crossfade and poor Bernard uses a lot of Fade to
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Black. So, all the way through the
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story, rather than you and cross Fades between scenes and things
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like that, it's quite dramatic. And I can't think there's many
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more pertwee's after this, where we use Fade to Black.
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Sorry, Rather than dissolves. It's a very handsome looking,
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man, at the back of that shop there, you see, just peering out
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of the shower. It's, I'm sorry.
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My eyes are firmly fixed on Valentine bomber, who I think
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it's a very handsome man. Oh, Gary, there are beautiful,
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been throughout this story up there.
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Yeah. This is it this is the same as
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and it went Exposition as we work out and therefore as a kid
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watching this we working it out with them and seeing what they
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were talking about. It's so important to have
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Exposition seems like this it's really wrong when people say you
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shouldn't have. Exposition I just feel right?
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Is this story thinking about your audience?
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You're thinking about yourselves, it is history, what
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they criticize? Make this stuff.
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They know the story. They forget that the audience
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don't and this Kind of scene is really vital.
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I have to say, I want to say that this episode is very
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powerful for me memory-wise. So I watch this at my friend,
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Paul troutman's house. It was his birthday party.
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So this is one of the First episodes of Doctor Who is one
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color because we had a black and white TV right through to the
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late 70s. And I've seen one episode of the
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demons in color. And then I saw this episode
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episode 4 in Color and it was doubly.
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Exciting to see Daleks fighting people in color.
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I hadn't realized that there was a gold Dalek and Tulu Daleks.
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I've never just Daleks in black and white but suddenly seeing
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Doctor Who in color for the first time, what second time?
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But with Daleks, for the first time in color was a brilliant
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thing for me and I just sat there and I think that referred
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to it rather than day of the Daleks they refer to it.
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I think on a caption on Pages and his end of the Daleks and I
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remember being quite disappointed that the episode
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title was still day of the Daleks.
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I thought three episodes a day that is in the final episodes
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have been end of the Daleks with somehow, it didn't the day
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thing. So this is, you know, totally
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beautifully shot. He shoots the whole thing
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through foilage? Yeah.
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Come on. What is really just a boring
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shot of a man running from one end of a park to the other.
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Very clever, I'm still coming Thursday with the fact that you
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watch the whole of the Pertwee and most the Tom Baker's they
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were. Black and white the first time.
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First time we got a color tell he was facing Evil episode 1,
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which group, or revisit the all of those when they came out on
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video or whatever. However, you sort of it.
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No, but when I first started seeing pirate Doctor Who videos
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of poetry and Tom Baker stories. For the most part, they were the
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first time I was seeing them fully in color, I admit.
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But in the mid-70s sort of, I think from I think from Oscar
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man dragged her own words. Watching mask mondragor.
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No earlier than that early in that.
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So it would have been probably Android Invasion I think I came
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back. I've been on tour and I came
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back so be Android Invasion or possibly render morbius.
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I used to go to my friend Tim Farmer's house and he had a
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color Telly. So every Saturday, I would
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always send to my mom going to Tim's for the afternoon and it
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was solely because we wanted to watch, talk to.
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And I wanted to see in Colour, but personally we didn't get a
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color TV until they see people up.
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So one, so all of her tweets. We I say the only episode I ever
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saw in color of poetry, was episode 4 of the Demons episode
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4 of day of the Daleks and episode 2 of cursor, Paladin
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with the only Pertwee stories I ever saw.
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In color on transmission, everything else is black and
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white. It didn't want to me.
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I'd Die Doctor Who television was black and white to me, you
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know. See it in color was exciting to
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go to a friend's house and they could afford to have a color TV,
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but we couldn't afford that. Do you know it some ways?
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Very envious if you saw this consecutively as it was going
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out. I didn't I watched I basically
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all the classic who I saw as the VHS is were released.
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But you know what? It was like putting together a
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massive exciting jigsaw puzzle because they just came out all
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over these dents or Rhythm to it at all.
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Hi, it's wonderful. Yeah, it was it was it's just
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for me, it's just Nostalgia. It's just my childhood and the
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fact I'm lucky enough that so much of my childhood, I can sit
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down and revisit on television and watch these things can watch
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Doctor, you can watch too. I mean, I'm I'm so disappointed
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that Ace of Wands, the first two years of age of 17 exist because
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that was a very important show in my childhood, but pretty much
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most of the other kids TV that H-E-B and BBC have the I watched
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I've got sitting on shiny disc out in the corridor there so I'm
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very, very lucky that we've got access to the stuff and we're
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very lucky that all of her tweets exists.
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Things like you know the bat of making television has obviously
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come on in Leaps and Bounds since this came out, but this is
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still great Telly. Like this can still be watched
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as great to have it. It's just exciting and it's you
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know, it's what we were saying earlier is really well paced.
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There's nothing wasted. Stood, other than possibly, the
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little trike seen. There's no wastage in this story
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at all. It just bounces along similar to
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what I was saying when we were at the BFI, the other week about
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a bond or snowmen, which I still maintain is the one of the most
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perfect six-part Doctor Who stories and certainly of the 60
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stuff, only that an enemy, the world, I think Justified six
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episodes, because there is no padding, there's no running
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around. There's no repetition at all in
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those two stories and why I think four parts generally,
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Actually well, but this is, this is great.
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Oh, they look that guy's giving you that side.
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I look again, he's great acts that blow whoever he is, it just
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works is there's just there's no wastage and you come away at the
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end of these kind of stories, just go, I've watched really
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good, exciting television, I love David.
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Alex, I just don't understand why people could have anything
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bad to say about it. It's it's beyond me, but I'm
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biased. It's beyond me that people can
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have anything. thing bad say about any Pertwee part from
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Klaus back sauce, which I'm the first person to have lots of bad
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things to say about the rest of Pertwee stuff is just to me is
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Flawless, whereas, I can point you a 100 other Doctor Who fans
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similar age to me, who will tell you that everything from robot
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through to logopolis is the best Doctor Who ever is, and I would
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sit there and argue that and go, it's bloody know it's, you know,
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her Thirteen, and one or two highlights after that.
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But frankly once Leela's gone Doctor Who, for me in the 70s,
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he's pretty dire until Pete Davidson comes along, and then
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it lifts again, and I said, they're a great team.
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They're in the middle of all of those, you stones of Bloods in
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your own drugs that are and Leisure Hive, and warriors gay
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and things like that. There's always a brilliant, Tom
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Baker stories. But overall, I Come away from
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those last three years of Tom Baker with the kind of anywhere
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as I'm sure. You know, I've had people on
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here that I'm entirely the opposite direction.
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Yeah, that's all it was Williams.
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Here are, you know, five of this a bit dreary Beyond me, how they
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did bad, what's that strange? And weirdly created people?
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The example of them all, they're all welcome here.
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Would you like to say about how this is structured?
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But also, you got all the mystery in episode 1.
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There's a load of explanation you have so to about what's
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going on. I think we spend just enough
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time in episode 3 in that future to see how shocking it is.
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Yep then. And so, it's an ever so forth.
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When we head back into contemporary times, we've got to
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sort this out and we've earned it.
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That's the point. Is we've earned their Victory.
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We've earned them going back to the Future Past rather To do
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this and making that choice to control of their saying, God,
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go, yeah, let's see what you can do.
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Obviously beautifully written. I'll be seen.
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I wanted ask a Spur to show. This is, this is, this is when I
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wrote them and said, you know, I want this scene, I still think
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this is absolutely masterful, scene of Doctor Who 70 stock
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2/8. It's the first time, the Daleks
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have really behave, like Daleks actually in this story as well,
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because first time we've seen them exterminate anyone.
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He's just, it's everything you've waited for weeks to watch
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And then this guy comes out and it's just like yeah, the
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ultimate betrayal and he's so smug as he walks away these
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little green. It's so like, haha, dogs down
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the door, doesn't he? Like yeah, he has no idea that
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he's about to just wink out of existence in about 20 minutes
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time. We kind of shows you that the
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poor control of our Carnival circumstances.
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They've just chosen the next dialog, right?
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You're in charge now yeah, though.
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Isn't it? That's, it's that typical
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darling thing. Someone comes on goes back,
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guys, betraying you. And the dollar It's go.
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I will believe you and will exterminate him and you've
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automatically become the new leader.
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It's great way. If you understand Daleks, it's a
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great way to always stay in charge with realize the child.
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I've never clicked in my head later actually, don't leave that
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room until now when they go back from to camera angles, for
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three-and-a-half episodes, as to Davis was paying attention here
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with the newscaster. Well, this is a fairly standard
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drama thing in the 70s. Actually did have real
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newscasters. I mean, I think Alex Macintosh
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was a, I think it's a reasonable reporter and then he was, he was
20:44
mainstream. It's like we'd had Kenneth
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Kendall in war machines. And every other show always use
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Corbett, Woodall and I think, Alex macintoshes, it was a local
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news and he was an actor as well, but he was a local news.
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Reporter. I think they got into this.
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Now again open up magic magic because she was Ill.
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That is sure exactly how it will be shot on the news.
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We just have a few stole the cars coming in, then some
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handheld work as they go and into this whole thing is a bit
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iffy. Why are these people letting
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them know that they're kind of solute the doctor anything?
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I'm sorry, but you're not unit. Your the regular army you
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wouldn't have a clue who he was but do you love that Courtney's?
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Delivery Slide in a minute now. Be quiet sir.
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Yeah, it's great. This is very clever.
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This whole sort of Realizing the whole thing was sure and the
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bomb is just claiming that that lovely scene coming up which
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we'll talk about in a minute with sure.
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And here we have, here's your why do people complain about
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this? Yes.
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Don't waste. It looks like there's loads
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coming out, you know. I'll just shoot it over and over
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again and so there are more Daleks and Mauro bronze and it
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just works. And yes, you don't eat.
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He probably makes a mistake on the actual attack on the house
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by not doing the same kind of cheating and seeing Some groups
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of doubt, it's coming from different angles, but who cares?
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I think I was just swept up in this.
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Yeah, absolutely. So as I've, it's just brilliant,
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it was that, oh my God, the doctor attacking not quite sure
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how they get around that bit of water, but we won't ask about
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that, have it as a sort of Glide across, just the French Windows,
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you know, make a very graceful entrance into the building.
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And I have in my head, which I know doesn't exist, but I had in
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my head for many many years, but they did smash through the glass
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windows. But, of course, that's the old
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running in episode one that does that.
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But in my head, I remember darling.
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Its warming it and I'm sure his tents is novelizations to blame
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for this, the doll. It's swarming in and coming
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through those glass windows, and as it is, it's two dialects in a
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corridor. But I remember it as a kid
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convincing myself. The actually between twenty
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dollars coming in through every possible angle into the house
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and it was a complete sort of routing of the house.
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And this is what you do, as a kid, your your mind.
23:16
You get so caught up in the story when you're eight years
23:18
old that you fill in the bits that even they couldn't shoot.
23:22
And you've convinced yourself within 10 minutes of the program
23:24
ending, that's actually what you saw.
23:30
That's so overrated and a waste of time, it's great.
23:34
How the plot again this Ascending where he sets off the
23:37
Bobby takes out the Daleks they've got out of the
23:39
politicians. It's so neat, it's so Terrance
23:42
dicks. He's clever.
23:44
It's a well I think that's perhaps a I think that's
23:46
probably Louis Marx because I think that's in his original
23:49
ghost hunters or whatever it was called idea of these people with
23:54
the time Paradox coming back and creating it themselves.
23:57
Ivan terracing is just the cleverness of putting Garlic's
24:01
and giving them a reason to do it but I think we'll never
24:04
really know that. The right style.
24:06
You check with her one, her one scene because she was.
24:09
Until at this point, I love all the different cars and the
24:12
different cultures and you know, there's people from different
24:15
countries in this sequence. It's very adventurous as a
24:19
obviously, a lot of money spent on Extras in this story because
24:22
apart from unit soldiers as a hell of a lot of diplomats and
24:26
things. Like, I was inside the winters,
24:29
all right? This is the point where I was,
24:31
you know, this is Ricky you be, isn't it going?
24:33
Not rushing you, but I wasn't in the Dalek.
24:36
Operator can remember, going through that window, but I was
24:39
convinced you saw him go all the way through the window and go
24:42
through the big room that we've seen before.
24:46
Jimmy Winston is amazing in here.
24:48
I think he's great actor but, isn't it great?
24:50
They've they took him out the action early enough.
24:53
You've completely forgotten about.
24:54
Absolutely, but as a kid, I didn't have to say That never
24:57
confused me as a kid because I think in the back of my head
25:00
because we knew he hadn't been killed by no Grand watching
25:04
this. As a kid, I was always thinking,
25:05
well, I'm on surest a rusher behind.
25:07
Someone needs to go back and get him.
25:09
That poor bloke. Stuck in the 20th century and he
25:12
should be home with all his friends in the 22nd.
25:14
Oh wait a minute. He's actually got something to
25:16
do here and then when and directions that thing hang on.
25:19
Sure, we thought he was dead. Maybe still alive.
25:21
I'm not going as a kid. I was going.
25:23
Yes, yes, that's him. Whereas I forgot, I'm completing
25:28
our wedding. Of course.
25:30
Yeah, he's still there. I thought you loved our necks in
25:35
Congress saying zypher. Guess oh no not this time
25:40
brilliant. I just remember this as a kid
25:43
and being so excited and that big explosion that is over and
25:47
done with very very quickly and suddenly, yes this is.
25:50
This is the only down point of the whole thing.
25:52
Is it just ends when it just ends.
25:56
And you know, with hindsight, we now know, this wasn't meant to
25:59
be the ending at all and it is a little bit disappointing that
26:03
off. After all, that excitement, and
26:04
all that Adventure. There's there's no real older
26:09
adults just been blown up. There's no, no one talks about
26:12
it. No one says the dollars have
26:14
gone and blah blah, Bartman and there's no units, no Brigadier
26:17
at the end which I think is a shame.
26:19
You think I'm back to something like, ambassador's of death,
26:22
where you spent five minutes, we've go right Joe.
26:24
You can stay at style is you can stay here and sort this out,
26:26
right? I'm off.
26:27
So yeah, you know, now we just cut, we got next story.
26:31
Well, I think that's just, you know, they talk Sleep.
26:34
Just ran out of time on the episode, but it doesn't matter
26:36
because it's just so brilliant and so it was for.
26:41
Can you be able to write on the subject of this being brilliant?
26:46
Would you then indulge me to give three reasons as to why I
26:50
have three only I'm afraid, we'll do three each one back and
26:53
forth as to why people should go watch this immediately.
26:59
Three, great rewrite. Brilliant actors not just the
27:03
main casts, not just delete regulars, but people like Audrey
27:07
woods and all the Ana Barian and Valentine Palmer and Scott,
27:12
Frederick's and Jimmy Winston all over it.
27:14
So there's there isn't a Duff performance in the entire story,
27:18
so that's important. The the special effects that
27:22
the, The Time Tunnel effects and everything like that.
27:24
It's so 70s. It just screams 70s at you.
27:27
Without being the over-the-top colorful Blair that close of
27:32
access, did it just holds on. And then the most important
27:36
thing, I think for this story, that makes it so, watchable is
27:39
it's just a damn good story with a very clever beginning of very
27:42
clever middle and a very clever end.
27:44
It just works it just sings along and he's got Daleks and
27:49
it's got the doctor tied to a mind analysis machine, and all
27:54
these moments that make Daleks. So, Exciting.
27:58
Actually, they're barely in it and yet you still come away
28:03
thinking. I've just seen a brilliant,
28:04
Dalek story. I'll bury I've got two three
28:07
now. Enjoy the back of that, okay.
28:10
All right, I'll go. I'll be very quick.
28:11
I'm going to say the character of the controller who I think is
28:15
given by magnificent debt by Audrey woods and has very
28:19
surprising moments throughout. Honestly, Dudley Simpson.
28:24
This is the point where he's allowed to not to stop.
28:27
It all electronic music which he didn't season AIDS and as over
28:33
is on form and is you know, creating the language of drama
28:37
for Doctor Who throughout the seventies marvelous and three,
28:43
I'm going to say me, I might bility as a child to skip over
28:49
any deficiencies in the production that they might have
28:51
been and fill in the blanks. And convince myself that that
28:55
climax was every bit as What on that special edition version?
28:59
I think it's improved for saying all those.
29:01
No it's not it's not improved at all because it is obvious it
29:07
makes it obvious. Whereas here you're using your
29:09
imagination and here you're just going this is thrilling.
29:13
This this was you know and also the special edition isn't
29:18
directed by Paul Bernard and his film work is so bloody good in
29:23
this cereal that the moment you try and drop shots in that have
29:26
been shot by the people who But they are, it doesn't mesh very
29:30
well, it sort of jolt. That's I'm never a big fan of
29:34
special edition Doctor Who stories anyway with extra seams
29:38
and things. I don't really like them in the
29:39
put new special effects in but p.m. off its marvelous reaction
29:43
to the five doctors he went, did you see that special edition
29:46
version of the five doctors, like put out I took out those
29:48
things for a reason you know. It's not an exact that there is
29:52
bizarre planet of fire one with new stuff so it's just like
29:57
that. Doctor, I want people to leave
29:59
Doctor Who as it was. I just don't think you need to
30:03
keep farting around and tweaking partly.
30:06
Because as I said to you before, it also it dates far more than
30:11
the original 60's and 70's and 80's Duffy DGI fire, isn't it?
30:15
Looks and it just looks terrible.
30:17
Now, it looks worse than anything.
30:19
They did back in the 70s. Well, you know, what I think is
30:21
the bizarre is Choice. Ever met was the Enlightenment
30:24
while where they decided to cut it down and make it as I see as
30:28
like a new series. I'm like it just wasn't being
30:32
made that way. And I've blessed, they got Fiona
30:34
coming in and and she had her input into how she would make it
30:38
now, but they lost 20 minutes like, how can you destroy?
30:44
I mean, I'm not seeing, but how can you lose 20 minutes or even
30:46
like minutes? It's another thing to have
30:48
almost perfect Doctor Who four-part story you don't want
30:51
to lose 20 minutes from. You want actually had a bit more
30:54
in. I think for enlightenment, I
30:55
love Enlightenment, brilliant story.
30:57
Fantastic Gary with the that does leave me to ask you a
31:00
question because environment is one of my five 80s Doctor, Who
31:05
stories. I haven't got a commentary on
31:07
yet and we've done the sixties and we've done the 70s.
31:11
Yeah. I can't get out of that now, can
31:14
I, I'm happily love to do Enlightenment.
31:18
Definitely I love it. Call her brilliant, I'll add
31:22
another era. You said that is like Comfort,
31:25
who to you and it's a narrow. I have a bit difficulty.
31:27
We've actually I like to really getting some for me is is just
31:32
just yeah. It's it's a different form.
31:34
Its Nostalgia again like poetry is was a different form of
31:37
nostalgia because it's my early years in Doctor Who fandom it's
31:41
when I was doing my fanzine, it's when I was beginning to
31:45
sort of make slightly more valued judgments on things.
31:48
So I have a, I have a enormous passion for those three days, it
31:52
was some years, I think, you know, and again, it's that
31:56
middle year is just Really, really good for me because lots
31:59
of people dis it and I think know I love season 20, I think
32:03
it's wonderful on a wonderful American.
32:05
Come on and claim that the Kings demons, one of his favorite
32:09
stories. Honestly, it was a two-hour
32:11
conversation. I'll never forget.
32:13
It was marvelous. Well, good luck to them.
32:16
I'm glad they're able to see that in the Kings demons.
32:20
Yeah to yeah, I will say Davidson two-parters are not
32:23
though the highlight and if you were the awaiting is infinitely.
32:27
Kassadin the Kings demons. I was feel like with Davison
32:30
when it's good, it's really good and way I could, it's right now
32:38
are creepily. She knows that I like I got I
32:43
got a soft spot for Arkham Infinity partly because it's
32:45
Gallifreyan time, Lords. And that's always going to open
32:49
doors for me. Anyway.
32:49
I, the moment I see a Time rolled collar.
32:52
I'm not, yeah, this story is brilliant Infinity.
32:55
Lot of people do because There's something desperately.
33:00
Again, there's something quite clever about story.
33:02
It's very good idea behind it is.
33:04
Johnny burn who I do think it's very, very good writer and it's
33:08
just fun. I think it's a fun story.
33:11
It has some terrible moment. It has the space chicken with
33:15
here. Yeah, no one in their right
33:17
mind. Should ever ever allow that to
33:19
go on screen? Black strips over a few lawyers.
33:25
Yeah, II have a A simplistic love rocking Infinity, but then
33:30
as I It season 20, and I have a hard job not liking season 20
33:35
part from now you can steam it. Enlightenment.
33:39
Here we come. All right.
33:41
Leaves me to say, thank you very much for your time.
33:44
I just been an utter pleasure. Once again, thank you for
33:46
hosting us. Until next time.
33:49
All right, take care.