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Episode 257: Bad Guys (SG-1 10.16) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Good into Gate episode two hundred and fifty seven talking Stargate SG one full crew.
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Here again, I'm Mitch. That's Brendan, a mate, and Maddie.
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Oh it's no, it's fine. I don't know what was going on
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there, but I liked what it could have been. For a second,
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I was just like, oh, we should have got the Billie Eilish song.
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But then there's not worry about it. It's okay, we don't need
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to do that. Yeah, it was love hanging through. Its fine,
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well you know, okay, Yeah, I mean here I was, I
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like literally walked in. I just knew I was talking about you when I
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knew what the episode was, and I'm going to be talking about like bybe
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the content, what the story is. But I'm like, what is the
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name of the episode? Again only through that Billy Ailish. Yeah, we're
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here to talk about bad guys. So this stunning episode, which if you
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listened last week and hopefully you did, we tease that next week and at
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that stage, I'm like, oh, the next Atlantis or the next episode
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of the podcast, and you guys said kind of both, but definitely next
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week. Oh it's going to be it's gonna be a good one. So
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bad, guys. This shit's gonna have nuts today, isn't it. What.
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Look, let's get into the old synopsis first, find out what,
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at least it teases this greatness is about, and then we'll see why we
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teased it as such. Last week, Mistaken for Rebels and an Alien Planet,
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SG one must play the part of hostage teakers in hopes to buy themselves
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enough time to be rescued before they're executed. Episode sixteen of the final season
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of SG one, A story by Ben Browner. I think that's important.
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Martin Giro wrote it. Directed by Peter Beloise. Yeah, yeah, it
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I have. Like I've said this before, especially through season ten. I'm
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watching Atlanta's for the first time. When we do Atlantis episodes SG won seasons
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nine and ten very iffy on. I've seen once, I think in aish
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maybe twice, very very early on. But there are episodes that you could
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have sworn to me were never released and that this should have been a lot
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of come on, I could have sworn that I had never seen this before.
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This is my first note. Is this meant to be a comedy now?
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The only the only time I think I laughed was when that fat security
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guard was trying to squeeze in between the bookshelves like that he's trying to be
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sneaking and went to go on the bookshelves and he couldn't fit. So that
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made me laugh. But I thought that guy would have been your guy spirit
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animal. This guy just wanting to be John like just for the life of
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him. I mean, at least they met like they just come out straight
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around they got like saying that they met a die had reference, right,
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Like that's what he's acting like because I'm like, as the very first thing
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that he did was like speaking to absolutely nobody, He's told me this,
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but he wants me to do this. Oh and I'm like, dude,
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just show me, don't tell me sort of situation. I'm like, okay,
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I guess we're supposed to think this is some kind of like I want
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to be die Hard situation and then it just they dived into it so deep
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where they look at the audience go this is die Hard but lame, and
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I'm like, Okay, this is cool. Yeah, this is die hard
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but where Hans grew Yeah, misunderstood, and the guest actor is John McLean.
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That's weird, Like at least when you're as charamatic, charamatic charismatic as
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he isn't a caramel on him either, as as brilliant would have madehim slide
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through the bookshelf better, maybe he certainly would have. Yeah, this is
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like a it was like a very condensed like down in time wise like Slider's
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episode. Yeah, that's exactly what I thought. Yeah, right, because
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the thing that I didn't like about it really is because we go let me
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just refer to my notes. I wrote this down the function like for us,
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right we go, we go through the gate, we see different cultures,
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and some of these cultures will have different quirks and and they'll be less
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or more advanced than us. So like the aliens here, they usually speak
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the same language right when we go to a different planet, which is fine,
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but for here, it's a little bit more jarring because they're in the
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exact same kind of It's as if you went to New York in two thousand
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and six. Yeah, yeah, like these people are just us basically.
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Yeah, And I think that's what Mitch means by Slider's episode is that it's
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like an elsewhere, It's an else worlds rather than Yeah, other planet.
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Yeah, because it's basically like going into the Museum of Natural History. Yeah,
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essentially. Yeah, there was like a function there. Yeah, like
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what Yeah, well, it's funny you say that was it was a condensed
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episode because it actually the first cut of this episode came in at sixty six
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minutes, and a big thing they cut out apparently was referenced and explained why
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Daniel Jackson was so angry, like, you know, when he went off
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at the bickering couple and stuff like that. It seemed really out of character
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for him. Yeah, there was a I don't know what the reason is,
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Like the stuff I was reading didn't actually say what the scene was.
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It explained why he was so angry, but yeah, I feel like that
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was maybe something that shouldn't have been cussed. See. I remember this episode
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watching it on live TV when it came out and I had and I hadn't
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seen season nine. Oh it was kind of like that. I was waiting
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for the DVDs and I just happened to come across this while it was on
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TV and I saw that scene where Daniel was like shut up, just shut
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up, and I was like, what the is this shit? What happened?
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To this guy really like what is going on with this show? Apparently
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he was really critical of his performance in the episode two. Yeah, well
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I did. I did find out too. While they were filming this episode.
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That's when they found out they've been canceled. I wonder, I wonder
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if that had some kind of subconscious effect on them. Yeah, because it's
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like why are we doing this? Yeah, and the fact that Carter wasn't
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there and it was really the I find the reason for it really dumb.
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The fact that they they said, like in World, Carter's briefing the president
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on her experiences in in the alternate reality or whatever from three weeks ago.
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But that was that episode was like pre us finding Daniel, that was pre
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the Shroud, that was like three episodes ago. But she's only briefing the
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president on it now, or she's still briefing the president, Like why did
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she Like if this episode had come directly after the episode where she experienced the
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alternate timeline reality what you call it? Great, but then Daniel hadn't been
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rescued yet. Daniel was still prior Daniel. So I just yeah, we
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just it's a really cool concept. I think the execution was a little bit
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off. I think one of the one of the best examples is early on
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when the team comes through the gate and they interrupt the couple making out,
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and then the chicks screams and they both run away. They run into the
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main atrium, stop screaming, and then turn stand next to the guy like
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and then stand and turn around and just stand there normally waiting for USh you
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want to come in. Like the blocking was really really like if you're terrified
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and you think they're insurgents, why would you just stop at the front of
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the crowd and turn around and wait for them to come in and hit their
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mark and then say their next thing. It was like it was like they
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were trying, you know, it's like they've been caught not being not standing
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in their spot like that at the pace they ran back and it quickly turn
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around. It's like if we just stand still, they're like t Rex's they
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can't see us, and like, yeah, it did. It felt it
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felt very Is this meant to be a common Yeah, she was shrill.
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It was so annoying. Yeah, it wasn't at all funny, and he
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didn't go anywhere Like the fact that you know, the two girls were fighting
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over that extremely basic, average guy like generic, yeah, generic, Like
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could he be more plain and tall? The kind of guy? Yeah,
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so I don't know why they were fighting over him. But then that didn't
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actually go anywhere except for Daniel to have his little screaming fit, which didn't
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make him look good at all. Did you hear the line from camer Mitchell
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at the start, after they found out that the people were having an event
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there, he came back and goes, all right, we're dialing out.
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This is not the right procedure for his first contact. Oh did I ever?
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This is a first contact situation when a civilization reaches a certain level of
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development. We don't do those in person. We send them out to make
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contact, and if they are into the idea of extraterrestrial visitors, then we
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get to go to the party, not before basic protocol, basic protoct.
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That's the first time I've ever heard that in ten years. It's the first
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time I've ever heard that in this sci fi program. But it sounds very
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familiar of a different science. Last week said maybe even call the prime directive,
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like, hey, hold on, hold on, hold, on,
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hold on hold, wait wait wait, wait, wait, you're telling me
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she came, She wore a crown and came down in a bubble. Doug
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Tilk was the first prime Are you telling me he didn't have a prime directive?
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I can say prime directive and it's still be in a Stargate context,
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Thank you very much. Until I say the word star Trek, Percard or
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Jangway, don't you can't give me if that's one? How very dare you
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a prime directive based on the first contact of an alien race? Yeah,
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that's not Star Trek. I agree, but I didn't say it. The
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show said it. You just said it in that You've never heard that directive
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in ten years. I haven't either. Yeah, but there's no progress.
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I had a real big problem with that, and I can put that down
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to Ben Browner just being new. Yeah, you know, but the thing
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is, well, I think we're not correcting it. The Torment of Chancellors,
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I think is the sixth episode in season one of SG one. Yeah,
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the very first time that we go to a planet and we can't escape
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because the DHD is damaged. Now, there was policies put in place.
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The malp is supposed to detect if there's a dial home device there. It
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didn't do its job. It was made of plastic, that thing, so
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why haven't All it did was visually say there's a DHD, didn't actually yeah,
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loop around to see whether it was Yeah, And that mistake that happened
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in Torment of Chandalists the exact same thing in ten years. Mind you,
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we've got spaceships, we've got so many technological things that we've actually benefited from.
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You can't tell me that the MOUP can't have a mini DHD or at
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least a power source to link in like a crystal like we have with generator.
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Yeah, I mean, I get it. You don't want to send
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a knack or de generator to an alien like planet where people can take it.
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But at least enough to the little compact ones now as well, that's
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not a huge problem. Just enough, but even send a jeep jeep Yeah
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yeah, well they even reference it too. Still, what about the mouth?
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No, see where you don't go there, but if the mouth will
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be perfect, mouth put just enough energy to dial home once And I was
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thinking about this too. Obviously in the in the later series we have better
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molps, but this I think it would have been better to actually have a
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dialing program, So the MOLT like you shut it down the mount dolls Earth
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and then you can just remote the mount back, yeah, instead of actually
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going there or yeah, or even because there's how many times have we gone
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to a planet and it's our first time there, But the malp's not there
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because the malp's already been retrieved, So theoretically the malp arm can probably just
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reach out and dial itself home. So it's like, but you need the
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radio contact. Oh yeah, true, that's what I mean if it had
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a self dialing program based in there. Yeah yeah, And like we're so
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far into this series now you could be like, oh, yeah, we
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we stole some programming from from a puddle jumper. Yeah, so that we
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can now have a portable DHD on the MALP. Yeah yeah, so then
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you would know. So that that already irked me because ten seasons in we're
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making the same mistakes and and that I just for some reason when there's a
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really major stuff up in the writing, Yeah, it irks me for the
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rest. It's a huge jumping lodger and you just go, well, yeah,
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I don't like we always say men like there's that whole thing that it's
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like you know, good good fiction is like, well, there's one lie,
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there's one believable lie in everything else builds logically off that, and it's
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like, well, yeah, if there's a if there's a gap in logic
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like that, it really does make it hard for you to believe the rest
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of what's happening because you're like, well, I don't believe they would make
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that mistake, So I don't believe everything else that came after it because I'm
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stuck on that on that one point. Yeah. So yeah, and the
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whole idea of that's just basic protocol that we send a maup to do that
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first full season s you won, we're making first contact with yeah, him,
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her and the other guy every week. Yeah, exactly. I mean
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a lot of it's off screen, some of it's on map, some of
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it's like hey, hey folks, you guys not real, here's some freedom.
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It's just a lot of that. Yeah, that line annoyed the shit
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out of it. Yeah, it needed to be It needed to be sort
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of expanded on. And it's like, oh, for for non cartoonse planets
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or something like that, because you would assume this is a non cartoone planet.
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They haven't experienced the Glowulda or anything like that. But yeah, you
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just needed I needed more information of that line. And I get it sometimes
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can't access arees. But you think, I don't know what the range of
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that thing would be reasonable, I would think, yeah, you would think
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so. So you think they've driven, we're actually no, it's a museum.
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They've driven into battle. Remember when remember when we killed a manette that
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was a different one. It's still the same base, still the same base.
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They just had a turret built on top, so you know, yeah,
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and yeah that's and we had that one on the on the on the
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Link planet, remember like a museum before they got there. Yeah, yeah,
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it was pretty obvious it could have bumped into the DHD. Remember the
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the Link planet where where we used we'll use the mount to test the big
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and stuff like that. Yeah, that went for forever they y. Yeah,
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so yeah, it was just a bit clunky, like to get us.
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And again, it's like we were saying last week, it's like,
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you know, we had to be bad at a job sometimes for plot to
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happen. So it's like, well, these guys have to better their job
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for this plot to happen. But it's like, but then what did this
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plot give us? And then Daniel says, oh, we're stuck here.
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Well no, not until they call back in six hours, or yeah,
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why are they calling back in six hours? Oh? That that's pretty standard
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protocol. I think there's always Yeah, well, I think it's a generic
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number they make up per mission because some missions it's oh, they're not dialing
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back between four hours? Shouldn't it be ninety minutes or an hour? In
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case it's like a real like you think so, yeah, like one hour
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then becomes twelve or twelve four. Yeah, it's like checking after one hour
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and then you brief us and decide whether whether we're gonna call it. Maybe
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it's like budgets or twenty depending on how the budget is from the government that
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particular month that quarter. It's like, hey, look, we can't be
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dialing everybody like an hour up, Walter left, or the lights on that
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cost us two billion this month. Yeah, no, I think that's what
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High three extra teams like SG forty seven. What I did like about it
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was probably just more of like what it means maybe in my own head cannon,
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in the sense that this feels like an adventure. I won't even say
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a mission, but an adventure that would happen between the other episodes that we
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do see, like ones that we see that involve the Gold or the Aorri
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or anything else that's got a bit of meat to the story that does advance
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our technology or our relationships or the war or whatever. Yeah, this,
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aside from Carter being off whatever, this is a filler episode that doesn't begin
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anywhere, it doesn't end anywhere that it cannot be placed in season two,
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season seven, or right now nearing the end. The fact that this is
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the fifth last episode four episodes of SG one is insane. That this is
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like I was watching, I'm like, I feel like I would enjoy this
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much more if this was a season five episode. Probably yeah, hopefully because
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and it's not even like it's not the worst episode. I think the comedy
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would have worked better. Yeah, well you get episode even Other Guys episode.
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The comedy in the Other Guys works perfectly, and it's like this kind
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of has that goofiness of the Other Guys, but it just doesn't execute it
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as well as it should or even Peter Delawiz directed it. We know that
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dude can do funny like he can he can make anything work except Martin geire
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story trying to polish it, to even try. Even if we do keep
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it a Mitchell thing and make it rather than the fifth last episode, make
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it the fifth episode of Mitchell's run. Make it episode five of episode of
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season nine. Yeaheah, and that's where the first contact, prime directive whatever,
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like this is what we do. This is our protocol, and everyone's
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like, yeah, but bro, this is this is also uncharted terror,
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Like, don't that's the rule book. There's more like gate lanes, you
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know, just settle down. A second thing. What the funny thing was
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that he just finished saying that there's two people came around the corner started making
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out and they just stood there watching. Yea, when you just hi,
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yeah, that could have made for just sit there And it cuts to like
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ninety minutes later, and they've just watched the most incredible session happen. Yeah,
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like we see why old plane and Tall is being fought out of by
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these two women. Yeah yeah, yeah, because it turns out human he's
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got his own full grown symbian. Oh my god. Yeah, he's of
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that universe. Yeah. You cut back to like the last episode of season
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one when like we get on board of office as ship and we're hiding,
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like we're hiding behind crates and ship to not be found, and it's like,
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yeah, that would have been great. That would have been hilarious if
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they you know, yeah, sort of had to break up the session because
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it just got a little too a little too I rated that would have been
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funny. Yeah, if Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised for if Peter Belouise,
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you know, the shot that sorry, we're here, Yeah, that
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would have been good. Yeah, that'd have been good fun. I'm sorry,
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I'm sorry if you do like it, but I just want to I
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just those few things. I think it is one of those episodes where it's
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a love of hate. It's one of those episodes where a lot of people
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just go what is happening when other people just go, yeah, this is
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this is and yeah I like it. I do like it a lot.
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But yeah, there are those jumps in logic where you just go, ah,
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if just if we just tweaked, like this could be a other guys
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level episode, Like it's not gonna be Wind of Opportunity to level episode,
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but it could be another guy's level or an Avenger two point zero level of
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comedy if it had just been tweaked a little here, like if the script
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was a little bit better. And yeah, it was written by people that
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sort of know the franchise a little bit better. Yeah, because Giro is
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more of Atlantis guy. Right, Yeah, he's written maybe like three And
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I feel like Cooper should have gone to Ben Listen if we get picked up
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for a season eleven. Sure, poor, this is getting straight in those
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first quarter yeah, I promise you. Yeah. And also, like like
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you were saying, like, it's hard to believe this is like, you
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know, the fifth last episode, but I guess from a production point of
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view, they didn't know that. Yeah, like when they put this thing
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into production. It wasn't until they started filming they found out they were canceled.
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Yeah, more a hindsight thing. Yeah, and that may be one
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of the reasons why they're like, oh, wow, this is gonna be
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like the fifth last episode we ever do and this, this is this filler
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episode is what we're doing. Oh damn. Yeah. I think it's it's
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just yeah, like I said, it's just one of those I like to
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think, like we know that the adventures we see in the twenty four episodes
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whatever per season, that those aren't the only adventures they go on. We
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have missed a lot of other things that are quite in eventful or very much
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you know, like this I watch. Doesn't matter which character or which you
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know side of the comic book major coin. I want to see, you
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know, just more basic crime fighting from a Batman or a spider Man or
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whatever that I don't want to just see them taking on their first big bad
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in two years, in the three years since we've had one film to a
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sequel. Yeah, but just like even Takedown one one bad guy at the
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start, or like in the middle of a in the middle of a story
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Spider menv. Doc Ock, we don't just see him go and take down
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a bunch of bank robbers, Like, it's not just that's the focus.
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So I like that we get this episode that shows, Yeah, sometimes they
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do just run into shit and dumb stuff happens. But like you said,
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there's certain dumb things that they do and decisions that have made that they probably
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shouldn't be doing. This late into ther game. It could have been teething
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stuff from episode. Also, I also wonder if it is a sign of
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you know the fact that the production was stretched too thin across the two episodes
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because the actual sort of out of world like the real world reason that Carter
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wasn't in this is because she was off filming McCay and Missus Miller, which
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is you know, the Atlanta's five six episodes. So that shows how you
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know, they move things around depending on when they're filmed versus when they when
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they air. But yeah, so and but then also is it a matter
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of, well, this episode suffered so that McKay and Missus Miller could be
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as good as it was, you know what I mean, It's like,
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you know it was Carter. Isn't it that much? I guess in those
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first couple of yeah enough to sort of yeah, just to that's your episode,
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Yeah, to not be you know, not be available for this shooting
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schedule, like you know, they were maybe being filmed at the same time,
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so literally she couldn't be in two places at once. Had Shanks in
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a rear going don't do two yeah, contract four weeks. They want you
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to have two scenes in Atlantas and they still want you to do four scenes
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in SG one. I tell them you work five days a week whatever you
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film, and there's five days a week is on them. But the problem,
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Yeah, look at it. I did it. They had to ride
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around. I'm a thespian. Carla's like, I've just got the hair of
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a thespian. It was interesting though, Carter not being there watching Vala trying
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to do gate stuff. Yeah, I do have to admit Carter not being
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there did give me one of my favorite moments from this episode. I think
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I have it. Maybe there's a seventy percent chance that if we don't manually,
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we'll be able to establish a connection, and a fifty perchance one will
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just go off. That's one hundred and twenty percent some crossover where we established
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a wormhole and the close up Jackson, did you catch any of that?
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Yeer sentence should have brought some of the noise what we were doing. That
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was great, But also he was like Jackson was the one that vouched for
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her to be on the team, like you know, And I also feel
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like they had the characters in the wrong spider field. Like, as much
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as I hate to say it, because I say it all the time,
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Daniel should have been with Varla in this episode trying to fund access the security,
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trying to find the knack of a bomb trying to access the gate like
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that. That's what Daniel was known for, is fixing the gate, at
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least in the first movie. Yeah, and then maybe Mitchell could have been
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the one to have that line to say, yeah, we should have bought
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one hundred cent, we should who knew what they were doing? Yeah,
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but yeah, that also that joke I think works better before Varla was a
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full member of SG one. Yeah, like back when she was the hanger
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on her that was only there because if she wasn't there, Daniel would probably
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die. It was okay to make fun of her now, but back then,
24:00
but now it's no, she's a full fledged member of the team.
24:04
Yeah, you can't say, you know, she can still be fun and
24:07
goofy like like O'Neill was, but you can't actively put her down like that,
24:11
like she's still she still knows more about that shit than anybody else was.
24:17
Yeah. Yeah, well yeah, and I think maybe it could just
24:19
be the line delivery that you know, potentially it should have been more throwaway,
24:25
But Daniel was so aggressive towards the end of this episode, maybe just
24:27
the extra aggression came across in his voice that probably didn't need to be there,
24:32
because I get it in negotiating with the people in a way. But
24:36
then, like, if it was early SG one, Jack could have definitely
24:40
had that radio. Yeah, it would have been Carter and Daniel go off
24:44
and or tiln Daniel go find something. Yeah, and you think Mitchell would
24:48
have been the better one to like pose as a rebel and negotiate and have
24:52
all those military tactics and negotiations and all that kind of stuff. Speaking of
24:56
which, why wouldn't they demand some kind of power source to power the gate?
25:02
Oh damn, But I did not even think of that. It would
25:08
have been over in two minutes. Damn. You wouldn't have had any of
25:14
that. The Quadria bomb ship, yeah, mate, diesel things. Yeah,
25:19
just just wheel a jeep in here. What's what's your what's your version
25:22
of a jeep? Can you just wheel that in here? Yeah? Do
25:26
you have any vines, any fancy power vines? Oh, that would have
25:33
been brilliant. Yeah. I was just like, screw the rebel talk,
25:40
just get a generator in here. Yeah. Yeah. No. I I
25:44
wonder like, given that it is a gear episode, I wonder if this
25:47
would have been better as an Atlantis episode. Maybe it would have made more
25:49
sense if it was the Atlantis team, like put McKay in Daniel spot,
25:57
you know what I mean, McKay being the one yelling at the crowd and
26:02
being petty and and that would have been good. Yeah, Shepherd talking to
26:07
the collie, even if it was a GENI function as boring as he Yeah
26:12
again, yeah, I could see that dynamic working bit better. Yeah,
26:17
yeah, maybe that maybe that was the problem. I mean, I always
26:19
say the problem is Martin Guiro, So maybe the problem was having Martin Ghiro
26:22
write this as I mean potentially, maybe Ghiro had this kind of idea,
26:29
like of some part of an idea, and then Browdest come in with this
26:32
story idea and they go, well, I'm kind of working on something that
26:34
we could combine these two things together to make it work. But yeah,
26:40
maybe it should have been an SG one rider to do this one rather than
26:42
an Atlantis writer, because yeah, I think Giro's only done maybe a couple
26:48
of episodes. And then also when they couldn't get them a quadri bomb,
26:51
I'm like, why don't you just go back to the where all the people
26:53
are and get this pass from the security guard. There's so many, Yeah,
27:00
very simple things that you could do to avoid any of this nonsense.
27:04
Yeah, the fact that they couldn't dial back because the DHD was dodgy.
27:11
I think that's that was the biggest mistake for me. Yeah, this this,
27:15
lady, you're right, this laid in the game. That's kind of
27:18
unacceptable. Yeah, just in terms of we can't do it again in world
27:23
logic and Torment of Tantalus was a classic. Yeah, I mean, you
27:27
can't beat it if it comes to your DHD not working. Yeah, between
27:33
Yeah, it's ten years ago. Come on, I mean, who's who's
27:41
the executive producer of this show? Come on? I mean you want to
27:45
go higher up. I'm happy to just to stick on the writer and be
27:48
like, well it was the writer's fault, but you know you can That's
27:52
what I mean with Ben Browder being part of the right writing this story and
27:56
coming up with the concept, at least the people who have been there the
28:00
longest should have gone, well, you can't have that. We've had that
28:06
already. Yeah, and yeah, maybe and maybe if a mana tapping a
28:08
bit on set for this one, she would have been like, yeah,
28:11
and her and Peter Delawize could have like, you know, had an extra
28:15
line in there to help sell it. Yeah, but yeah, I'm just
28:18
thinking. The last Martin Gear episode was the fifth episode of season nine,
28:23
The Power The Powers that Be. I think it was that katsh episode,
28:27
remember with the one where the yeah, yeah, where we're after people were
28:34
dying. Yeah. Yeah, we go back to a planet where Valley used
28:37
to be Katash and she puts on that that gold outfit with the flangy gem
28:41
in her chest and then they have the trial and then the prior comes in.
28:45
Doctor Lamb comes in and says everyone's dead. Yeah, don't worry about
28:49
it. Yeah, great bedside Manna. Yeah, that's right. Yeah,
28:55
that was that was the and I mean that was not a great episode.
28:56
That was. That was the last one that Giro wrote for S one.
29:00
So yeah, maybe this would have been better as a as an Atlantis episode.
29:03
And yeah, you put put McKay in in daniel spot, put uh
29:11
Taylor in Valla's spot. Taylor tried to disarm bomb. Yeah, just having
29:17
Daniel in that in that position, being in charge of the negotiations and the
29:23
crowd was just wrong. Yeah, he's an archaeologist, you should be getting
29:27
that bomb. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, he could have been translating the
29:30
stuff that Vala didn't that didn't know where that word was or didn't know.
29:36
You could have been helping disarm the bomb. Yeah, why did you actually
29:37
turn the bomb on? You know, all that kind of stuff. Yeah.
29:41
Something I thought was funny though, is I don't if you guys remember
29:42
back in Company of Thieves one of those Lucian Alliance episodes where they had that
29:48
like the mob mobster meeting around the table and then that one guy got shot,
29:52
and I was telling you about how that guy was pissed that his character
29:56
had had been killed, and I actually thought that was a that actor from
30:00
an episode of Star Trek. The negotiator in this episode is the actor that
30:06
I was thinking of, Oh really yeah, oh yeah, right, yeah,
30:08
that's the guy who played the lawyer in the d Space nine episode that
30:11
I was thinking of that our reference back in Company of Thieves. So I
30:14
thought it was funny that it's like five episodes later he shows up. We
30:18
wouldn't have noticed. Yeah, no, absolutely not. I think I recognized
30:22
the actor a few things. Yeah, Yeah, he's got a very distinctive
30:26
voice. I really like his voice, and I think like, yeah,
30:32
a lot of frustrations and to come from this episode and decisions and things,
30:37
I'm glad that it wasn't just well everybody on that planet was confused by us
30:41
and didn't believe us, and we're you know that we have that one guy
30:45
that did stand up and was like, hey, I've been telling him as
30:48
ship. You know, No, we haven't actually spoken about that guy,
30:52
yeah, because because he was like the Daniel Jackson of that place, right,
30:56
he's the archaeologist who's trying to Yeah, I thought that his name had
31:00
that odd name. And as much as I love that he did come to
31:04
our defense and did sort of buy into what we were trying to sell because
31:08
he's been believing that for a long time, I still feel like he believed
31:14
it too quickly in a sense, like you know, we could sit here
31:18
and go, well, we believe certain things are there about you know,
31:19
aliens or religion or something, but something came to definitive proof, we'd be
31:25
like, yeah, I don't know, I'm going to need more though.
31:27
I think you need to prove it. Are Caucasian human beings from other planets
31:34
to speak the exact same languages us, Yeah, who were denying being these
31:38
people that would absolutely come and lie and say they are what you Yeah,
31:41
no, that that tracks definitely. You're basically saying technological level. Yeah,
31:48
you've read that research that I've written and speculated about online on our Twitter about
31:52
what this thing is, this ring is, and you've come along and said
31:56
that, I'm yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, well I know,
31:59
I'm and then and then he dipped and then he just bailed, Yeah,
32:04
and I found it weird. Weird. I think that was a miscast as
32:07
well, because I've seen that actor in a few things, and he does
32:08
have a little bit of like believability and gravitas and and sort of you know,
32:14
you'd think he would have more respect than he does. If it was
32:16
like that little god come through kind of guy who was kind of bumbling and
32:22
didn't didn't know, you would believe him being dismissed more, where Cicero kind
32:28
of felt more like he had a little bit more authority. Yeah, and
32:31
then that kind of didn't go anywhere, And then I thought the ending was
32:34
really odd, the way just had that really ominous fade to black about oh
32:37
yeah, we're I guess they've buried their gate m fade to black. I
32:43
was like, oh, okay, shy of the fade to black thing.
32:45
I liked the idea again that you know, just I mean the fact they
32:47
sent him through a now art. We're covering this up. We're just not
32:50
even going to speak about this. And old Cicero Blow was like, Hey,
32:53
I'm not okay with this, like this is huge, and they're like,
32:57
well, we'll just shoot in the face though, Like we could do
32:59
that. All the hostages were saved except for one. You could be that
33:01
one, bro, if you want it'sis or mate. Oh, like you
33:04
could absolutely be the dead guy on the front page of the newspaper like that.
33:07
That has been happening on a number of planets potentially that we've been to
33:14
at whatever stage of technological development I don't know, but that have had contact
33:19
with not us in the past, but you know other races along the way
33:22
and that have not been ready for it or have denied it, you know,
33:25
whether it be religious reasons or you know, warring governments, nations,
33:31
whatever's going on in this one where ever went let's just bury it figuratively and
33:37
literally and be done with it. And then in two hundred years, you
33:42
know, the next stage of not maybe not humans because we've got marked down
33:45
in our book, you know, never to go back there. But some
33:46
other alien mob fly there and talk about the fact that there's a stargeting that
33:51
hey, you have one. They're like, oh, well, we didn't
33:52
even know this was a thing, Like we thought this was a prop from
33:54
a film two centuries ago or something. So it's like little head canon things
34:00
that I'm like, oh, that'd be interesting. I wonder if that's ever
34:01
happened out there, and we've just never thought about that. This episode was
34:05
almost, i d say, very unintentionally confirming and playing in those sandboxes that
34:13
this stuff goes on. But it's maybe not interesting enough for us to have
34:16
ever seen or talking about before. Maybe it was worth leaning heavier into it.
34:20
And I know this is probably gonna make Brendan cringe, but it's like
34:22
maybe, like because in this it was like the government and the rebels,
34:29
It's like, well, maybe the planet knew that there were other races out
34:34
there already, and it was the rebels who were pushing to know, we
34:37
need to make ourselves known in the galaxy and go out and explore. Yeah,
34:39
And it was the government that all quite conservative, pulling back, and
34:43
maybe our introduction to knowing, like this planet's introduction to knowing that there were
34:50
other aliens out there was say, the Lucian Alliance, who are the bad
34:52
guys, And then maybe instead of us pretending to be rebels, we had
34:59
to pretend to be Lucian Alliance or something like that, and helped tide in
35:02
a little more to the rest of the world. And then maybe there could
35:06
have been a little better sort of social commentary on the idea that you know,
35:09
these rebels are saying, no, we need to We've just discovered we're
35:13
not alone in the universe when need to go and explore. But it's the
35:15
government being like, no, no, we're fine here and being in a
35:19
very xenophobic government maybe would have been something more interesting for us as sci fi
35:22
fans to watch. Yeah, it was just yeah, apart from that,
35:28
it was just Diehard done poorly or done inverted. Yeah, you spoke about
35:34
that last Kiro won the Powers of b Yeah, that was actually the one
35:37
hundred and seventy ninth episode of SG one, which surpassed Star Trek Next Gen
35:44
which had one hundred and seventy eight. Becoming a longer note running sci fi
35:51
episode. Listen to the episode and I brought that up, and I'm pretty
35:53
sure I got it. That's one for that. But that's good, that's
35:58
very interesting. It's another Giro, just another Giro. I mean, if
36:01
you want to see a great Diehard episode, you can watch season three of
36:06
Star Trek Voyager and watch Macrocosm where Captain Janeway basically becomes uh, what's his
36:10
name? John McLean? McLean? I call I call it g I Janeway.
36:15
That's that's what I like all the episode. Jesus, you're a single,
36:17
she does. She strips down to a singlet and she's running in with
36:21
a rifle, as will Smith. When you need him, I'll slaping some
36:23
guy, yeah, Jane slapping joining scientology. Whatever is he I'm pretty sure
36:36
I think he is. That's a shame. But great people, great people
36:43
scientologists. Yeah. I've always said that we have. I mean, we
36:46
love science exactly it and love Tom Cruise, so well, yes, I
36:52
tolerate him. It's a Katie Homes said for a couple of years and it
37:00
was like, even I can't tolerate this ship. That's pretty it's pretty intense.
37:07
You can imagine bad guys get it. Where the Bad Guys Time,
37:14
Good Guys, Bad Guys. Wasn't that an Australian show? Yeah it was.
37:20
Yeah, it was around good guys, bad guys starring I want to
37:27
say his name is Martin Yeah, oh geez, hang on, I pulled
37:30
that out of my horse. But yeah, it was about like the water
37:34
Rats. Time had blue Heelers, We had blue I had water Rats and
37:37
then it was like trying to go real dark, wasn't It was a bit
37:40
like yeah, and he had he had the car, he had the car.
37:45
It's good the good guys and the bad guys. Marcus Graham what I
37:49
say, Martin mart Yeah, eight. Yeah, it was like two seasons.
37:54
It was that one season that ran over twenty six episodes. Yeah,
37:59
this show turned around Elvis McGinnis, a former policeman from a criminal family who
38:02
now runs a dry cleaning business. I mean that's just Australian TV. Great
38:09
people. Two seasons, rock on guys. They were doing the thirteen episodes
38:15
a season before streaming jumped onto it. Yeah, this would have been a
38:20
good episode of Sliders, but not Stargate hmmm. And it was like,
38:24
well passed Slider's Day, So it wasn't even like the you know, maybe
38:29
Brader was a mad fan of it was more of an Elsewhere elsewhere else weld
38:34
than a New World. Do you know what it would have made a good
38:36
episode of Fast Gape? You say, come on now, I already didn't
38:43
get it. That's too Maybe that's where Ben got the idea of Can you
38:47
imagine like the crew of Moyer pretending to be political rebels and stuff like that,
38:52
holding people hostage? Just that a lot. Yeah, maybe that's where
38:58
the inspiration is. Yeah, probably yeah. And who what's Varla's name in
39:00
that shogan? Aaron Son? Would she have played the like you know,
39:06
she's the tilk right, okay, yeah, she would have had even less
39:09
maybe science knowledge than what Varla was pretending to have in this one. Yeah,
39:14
yeah, she's like a military yeah okay, Yeah, I just wonder
39:17
like if if that, like I imagine that's where the idea of it came
39:21
from. Like it was more inspired of what would have made a fast Scape
39:23
episode, And that's where the way Varla was playing a certain role in this
39:27
Varla is essentially Ragel in this episode. You'll get it, you'll get it
39:32
eventually, maybe, yeah, of a hous yachts I think it is very
39:42
telling to with this episode Peter Deloweese episode. What do I normally bring to
39:45
a Peter Delaweze directed episode? I mean, so that's all I'm watching?
39:51
Oh yeah, what what do I normally bring? What gift do I normally
39:53
bring to us? Whenever there's a Peter Delawaz directed episode. McDonald's I'm just
40:00
looking around it. Thank you? An audio commentary. There is no audio
40:06
commentary for this episode. Guys, I'm gonna say, I'm looking at all
40:08
the bits and pieces you send me to play, and I've played everything.
40:12
I think that's very telling. Really. Yeah, no audio audio commentaries for
40:15
all the other episodes on this disc, no audio commentary for this episode.
40:20
Like maybe maybe after the show was you know, been canceled, they couldn't
40:23
get Peter Delawees back to do it. It'd have been great, Ben Brown
40:27
and Peter Delawes, Oh yeah, can you imagine? Fantastic? Yeah,
40:31
And they could just shot on it the whole time, you know, I
40:36
like Martin Wood did in that other episode where he's like, look, not
40:37
my best word. I should have done it this way would have been like,
40:43
I know this isn't great, but I because I'm admitting that that's what
40:45
makes it funny because I'm saying it's terrible. Better. Hey, Ben,
40:49
that's a ship idea. Peter you're directing didn't save it. This is terrible.
40:52
I was like, hey, I only gave the story idea. I
40:53
didn't write this mess. Maybe we got one of the good writers to write
40:57
it. Ballashed Ben Brad Ben Browner gets the strip from Giro out of basically
41:02
story ader. He looks at me, goes the best we can do.
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