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Islamabad talks 2.0 · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: Senator Tom Cotton represents the state of arkansass member of
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  Speaker 1: the Senate Armed Services Committee, Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Senator,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back. Our negotiating team has how to do Islamabad.
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  Speaker 1: I am curious about the metrics by which we judge
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  Speaker 1: any quote deal. First of all, is any limit on
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  Speaker 1: enrichment acceptable to you? Or should the deal be no enrichment?
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  Speaker 2: Well, here, I support what the President has said all along,
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  Speaker 2: and I mean that goes back ten years. So he
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  Speaker 2: goes back more than ten years. It goes back when
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  Speaker 2: he was playing into boxing friends in the morning. You
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  Speaker 2: that's no enrichmond and no enrichmentth means no enrichment. Iron
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  Speaker 2: has no reason to enrich uranium and certainly don't have
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  Speaker 2: a right.
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  Speaker 3: There are many countries.
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  Speaker 2: Around the world with peaceful civilian nuclear power programs that
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  Speaker 2: don't enrich uranium. They say they need it for medical research,
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  Speaker 2: but he when was the last time you saw an
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  Speaker 2: Iranian doctor standing up on the Nobel Prices stand collecting
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  Speaker 2: his prize for medical research. All of this just flimsy
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  Speaker 2: excuse for the nuclear infrastructure needed for nuclear weoms. That's
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  Speaker 2: why the President has been clear for more than a
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  Speaker 2: decade Iran cannot enrich uranium.
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  Speaker 1: It should not be a twenty year or a fifteen
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  Speaker 1: year deal, should be forever. How about do we need
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  Speaker 1: do we have to get back the HU highly enriched
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  Speaker 1: uranium in your view for it to be a successful negotiation.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's certainly the best case outcome here is
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  Speaker 2: we've discussed in the past that enriched uranium currently buried
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  Speaker 2: in the ruins of Iran's nuclear bunkers is not particularly
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  Speaker 2: dangerous or valuable without that infrastructure, without the centrifuges enrich
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  Speaker 2: it further. But of course it'd be better if we
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  Speaker 2: had it, And for that matter, it would show that
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  Speaker 2: Aron means business is genuinely trying to turn over a
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  Speaker 2: new leaf and meet the United States's demands.
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  Speaker 3: If they were to turn it over willingly.
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  Speaker 2: And again there's many models of that throughout the nuclear
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  Speaker 2: age from countries who had enriched uranium, either because they
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  Speaker 2: started a nuclear program or they had it on there
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  Speaker 2: so well when the Soviet Union disintegrated and they'd turned
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  Speaker 2: it over freely and voluntarily.
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  Speaker 1: Now onto the straight, Senator, we know what an open
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  Speaker 1: strait is. It is not what Arachi announced on Saturday
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  Speaker 1: and then they fired on two Indian flag tankers. What's
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  Speaker 1: an open straight mean to you?
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  Speaker 2: An open straight to you means what it means anywhere
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  Speaker 2: in the world, which is international waterways are free to
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  Speaker 2: be traversed by anyone without paying a toll or without
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  Speaker 2: fear of being hit by a missile or a drone
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  Speaker 2: or anything else. Ball traffic goes through the straight up
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  Speaker 2: her moves, without hindrance or without payment to run all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, now, the ballistic missile program. In the old days
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  Speaker 1: of arm control, people like Ken Adelman and others would
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  Speaker 1: negotiate forever on the Salt one salt to the start talks.
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  Speaker 1: Do we need verifiable limits on what they do in
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  Speaker 1: their missile programs? And does that not mean inspections on
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  Speaker 1: any time, anywhere basis which we're not in the JCPO. Indeed,
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  Speaker 1: entire military bases were off limits to the JCPOA inspectors.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Hughett to go. Let me just go back
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  Speaker 3: to those examples.
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  Speaker 2: Decided about nuclear arms control agreements with Soviet Russia. As
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  Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan once said, we don't mistrust each other because
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  Speaker 2: we have these weapons. We have these weapons because we
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  Speaker 2: mistrust each other yep. And that mistrust was earned over
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  Speaker 2: decades by Soviet Russia, just like our mistrust of the
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  Speaker 2: Islamic Republic of Iran has been earned by the IOTEL
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  Speaker 2: was over decades. So of course we need verification mechanisms.
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  Speaker 2: But the real problem here is always has been the
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  Speaker 2: revolutionary regime in Tehran.
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  Speaker 3: If they didn't give.
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  Speaker 2: The civilized world constant reason to mistrust them and think
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  Speaker 2: they were trying to do things like develop nuclear weapons
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  Speaker 2: and ballistic missiles that could hit anyone in the world,
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  Speaker 2: then we wouldn't have to worry about such verification systems.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk then, about the proxies. I have read that
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  Speaker 1: Hamash is effectively cut off from Iran and Iran won't
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  Speaker 1: even return their phone calls. Not true about Hesbalah. What
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  Speaker 1: do you look for out of an Islam, a boat
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  Speaker 1: agreement about Hesbala specifically.
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  Speaker 2: Well, a clear commitment that they will no longer support
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  Speaker 2: a terror group in Lebanon which is not just terrorized
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  Speaker 2: as relief for decades, but terrorize the people of Lebanon
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  Speaker 2: as well, and prevented them from having a stable and
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  Speaker 2: and durable governments, having peace in their country, and being
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  Speaker 2: able to have a normal country that has a prosperous
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  Speaker 2: economy in a civil society. Again, like, what business is
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  Speaker 2: it of Iran who governs Lebanon on the Mediterranean shores,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a thousand miles away from its territory, which
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  Speaker 2: is a different ethnic group and has a different history altogether.
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  Speaker 2: Their only interest is settling up a terror proxy on
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  Speaker 2: Israel's border, which we can't live with because has the
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  Speaker 2: less killed lots of Americans and Israel certainly.
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  Speaker 3: Can't live with.
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  Speaker 1: So the last item I've seen on people's checklist is
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  Speaker 1: something for the Iranian people, like the return of the
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  Speaker 1: internet or promises not to murder tens of thousands. I've
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  Speaker 1: seen the silly discussion. Oh hardliners are now in You
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  Speaker 1: can't get more hardline than murdering tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 1: your people often negotiators to insist on anything visa me,
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  Speaker 1: the Iranian population in your opinion center of Cotton.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard those suggestions. Well, I think it would be
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  Speaker 2: very welcome to turn the Internet back on. It's one
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  Speaker 2: of those things that a Ronald Publick have to do eventually,
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  Speaker 2: because the modern society can't prosper without internet service. But
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  Speaker 2: I think it's perfectly appropriate to raise this point, and
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  Speaker 2: I think it's also appropriate to say, like, look, the
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  Speaker 2: people who machine gun tens of thousands of your own
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  Speaker 2: citizens in January are not largely dead because of it,
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  Speaker 2: and all of their trucks and mounted machine guns and
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  Speaker 2: their headquarters.
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  Speaker 3: Are now largely destroyed. So you better not.
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  Speaker 2: Do that again, or we might have to come back
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  Speaker 2: and finish the job on you, just like we've done
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  Speaker 2: on them.
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  Speaker 1: Judging from Open Sources Center, do you think there's a
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  Speaker 1: conflict within the Iranian regime because they are saying contradictory
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  Speaker 1: things and there are allegedly are GC people upset with
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  Speaker 1: the elected people or the foreign minister. How do you
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  Speaker 1: read it?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you I mean like you don't have to discuss
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  Speaker 2: classified information here. You see what the Iranian leadership is
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  Speaker 2: saying you got guys running around and suits and tie saying, oh,
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  Speaker 2: the strait is open, We're sending delegations to negotiate, and
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  Speaker 2: you got the guys and guns at the Revolutionary Guard
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  Speaker 2: corpse saying no, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: That itself is.
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  Speaker 2: A remarkable change from years and years of governance inside
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  Speaker 2: Iran in which the Supreme Leader's word was final. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they had disagreements inside the government. You know,
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  Speaker 2: human affairs always yield disagreements, but you didn't have this
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  Speaker 2: kind of open fracture between high ranking officials.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that itself just goes to show.
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  Speaker 2: How badly Iran's government has been knocked onto its back foot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, last question, Senator Cenator Graham has been pushing pretty
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  Speaker 1: vocally online that the president be tough tough time. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think Republicans will break with him if they sense
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  Speaker 1: that the deal, if there is a deal in Islamabad,
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  Speaker 1: is weak.
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  Speaker 2: You I have no reason to think there would be
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  Speaker 2: a weak deal. I mean, when has President Trump, you know,
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  Speaker 2: gone soft on a run net JCPO with JCPO withdrawal,
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  Speaker 2: maximum pressure campaign, the Sulemani strike, mid not hammer now
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  Speaker 2: epic fury. I'd say at every turn to you, Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump has been probably the most assertive and maximist member
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  Speaker 2: of his own administration, and he's led the way for Republicans.
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  Speaker 2: So I expect if there is any deal, I think
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  Speaker 2: the odds are long. As President has said that, you
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  Speaker 2: can count on it to be a very strong one.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you're right. I do not want He did
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  Speaker 1: mention Nevill Chamberlain last week blasting UK, so he knows
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  Speaker 1: about appeasement. I don't think he wants that label attached
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  Speaker 1: to him. I hope you are right, Senator Tom Cotton
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  Speaker 1: follow him my exit send Tom Cotton. Thank you, senator
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  Speaker 1: for being there. As always, I'll be right back in America.
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  Speaker 1: Go nowhere. It's the Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm Hugh Hewitt.
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  Speaker 1: The war where they were on remains center stage on
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  Speaker 1: this program. Though there is a ceasefire, there's another ceasefire
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  Speaker 1: as well. Our ally, Israel has been fighting at two
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  Speaker 1: front war. We've been fight in one front war. Their
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  Speaker 1: second front is in Lebanon. The guns have fallen silent there.
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  Speaker 1: Although Hezbillah has broken the truth a few times and
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  Speaker 1: the IDF has responded I'm joined now by doctor Michael Orn,
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  Speaker 1: former Israelian ambassador the United States, founder of the Israeli
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  Speaker 1: Israel Advocacy Group. Doctor Orrin, what do you make of
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  Speaker 1: what's going on in Lebanon and generally of the situation
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  Speaker 1: as our team heads to Islamabad and I hope not
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  Speaker 1: to Munich two point zero.
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  Speaker 5: Good to be with you, Hugh. Let me just mentioned
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  Speaker 5: that tonight is Israeli Memorial Day.
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  Speaker 6: It's a very solemn and sad day in this country,
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  Speaker 6: the whole country. Your plummets into literally a paroxysm of mourning.
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  Speaker 6: I can't stress this enough. Hence my dress today tomorrow
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  Speaker 6: will be at military cemeteries and various ceremonies throughout the.
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  Speaker 5: Country, and so it's it's a poignant moment for us.
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  Speaker 6: And let me say generally that there's a tendency to
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  Speaker 6: distinguish between the Lebanese front and the Iranian front, what's
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  Speaker 6: going on and say the Latani River and what's going
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  Speaker 6: on the Straits of Removes, But in fact it's all
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  Speaker 6: one battle, and the main battle actually is in Islamabad.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that that tremendous credit goes to President
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  Speaker 6: Allen of Lebanon. It takes true guts to do what
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  Speaker 6: he's doing. Two of his predecessors tried to do this
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  Speaker 6: and they were assassinated. He risks a civil war over
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  Speaker 6: making peace with Israel, and I think the man, in
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  Speaker 6: my eyes, he's a hero. Let's see if you can deliver.
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  Speaker 6: But if he does deliver, the Lebanese army is still
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  Speaker 6: incapable of taking on his Beulah. His beulah the largest,
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  Speaker 6: still the largest non state military force, not just in
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  Speaker 6: the Middle East, but probably anywhere in the world.
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  Speaker 5: It's huge, and we're finding at that out.
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  Speaker 6: We thought we had degraded them a tremendous amount, and
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  Speaker 6: it turns out we hadn't degraded them as much as
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  Speaker 6: we thought. So tremendous threat. There's only one way you
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  Speaker 6: can defeat his Bullah. It's not by Israel occupying Lebanon.
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  Speaker 6: We tried that in nineteen eighty two. I know I
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  Speaker 6: was there not a good idea. We can only do
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  Speaker 6: it by drawing up the supply of weapons and funds
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  Speaker 6: from Iran. That's what brings us back to the Straits
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  Speaker 6: of Hermus, and that's what's brings us back to Islam.
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  Speaker 6: About so We're all following very carefully the president as
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  Speaker 6: he makes various statements, the Iranians that make various statements.
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  Speaker 5: And here's the good news and perhaps the bad news,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: The good news is that the president seems to be
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  Speaker 6: very serious about having that military option on the table
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  Speaker 6: and being ready to use it, and that he is
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  Speaker 6: very adamant about ending Iran's certainly getting that ninety nine
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  Speaker 6: hundred pounds of enricheranium out of Iran and delaying Iran's
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  Speaker 6: ability to enricheranium. He says for twenty years, we would
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  Speaker 6: hope for fifty. But the major issue there is sanctions
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  Speaker 6: relief and support for terror, which we remember support for
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  Speaker 6: ending Iran support Fortendo was one of the original objectives.
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  Speaker 5: Of the war.
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  Speaker 6: I haven't heard about it in a couple of days,
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  Speaker 6: perhaps you have h And then the question is what
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  Speaker 6: is the quid pro quo.
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  Speaker 5: That the Iranians will ask for.
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  Speaker 6: And the fear here that at the last four sanctions
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  Speaker 6: relief and sanctions relief be basically a lifeline to the regime,
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  Speaker 6: enabling it to keep on oppressing its own people, to
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  Speaker 6: supporting terrorist groups around the region, and ultimately to rebuilding
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  Speaker 6: those military capabilities that have been so vastly destroyed.
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  Speaker 5: So those are our concerns tonight.
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  Speaker 1: You so doct ron as we end. We recognize you're
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  Speaker 1: in black, and all of Israel stops from Memorial Day,
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  Speaker 1: and as it should because of the sacrifices made from
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  Speaker 1: nineteen forty eight forward. But let me talk about the
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  Speaker 1: sixth judgments that I have to make. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: any enrichment, not for fifteen years, not for twenty, not
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  Speaker 1: for twenty, but not for fifteen. No enrichment. They don't
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  Speaker 1: need enrichment. Number Two, we get the hu back, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's dust, is still solid. Number Three, the trait is open,
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  Speaker 1: and no more screwing around. Number four, restraint on ballistic
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  Speaker 1: missiles like the start stock talks of old that people
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  Speaker 1: always know. We can put restraints on missiles. We just
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  Speaker 1: have to be able to inspect on an instant basis, anywhere,
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  Speaker 1: anytime inspection. No more proxies. And of course something for
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  Speaker 1: the Iranian people. Something is basic, as like turn on
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  Speaker 1: the internet. If we don't get all six things, have we.
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  Speaker 6: Lost, well, I think you've lost in terms in the
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  Speaker 6: Middle Eastern terms.
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  Speaker 5: It depends again, you're always gonna it sounds like picky
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  Speaker 5: you in here. How you define victory, you will set
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  Speaker 5: back Iran.
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  Speaker 6: You set back your room. You know, several years will
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  Speaker 6: take them. I don't know how long to rebuild their economy.
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  Speaker 6: If they can rebuild their economies, it depends again on
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  Speaker 6: the sanctioned relief and degree to which the United States
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  Speaker 6: will back is real to keep combating Kamas and his bullock.
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  Speaker 6: Keep in mind you said two front wars. There are
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  Speaker 6: a couple other fronts going on here. We've had fighting
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  Speaker 6: around the Gaza Strip as well.
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  Speaker 5: So many unknowns.
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  Speaker 6: But you know, there's a Western definition of victory, which
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  Speaker 6: is how many boats are sunk and how many missile
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  Speaker 6: launchers you blew up or factories you're destroyed. There's the
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  Speaker 6: Middle Eastern definition is you know, you come out of
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  Speaker 6: a hole or a tunnel and you flash the V
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  Speaker 6: sign and you've won. Especially if you're thinking, you know, here,
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  Speaker 6: they don't think in terms of of weeks and months.
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  Speaker 5: I think in terms of years and.
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  Speaker 6: Decades, and so if you were to you know, delay
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  Speaker 6: Iran's ability to be richeranium for twenty years for them,
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  Speaker 6: that's next week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I don't believe in any I believe in
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  Speaker 1: making sure that the regime becomes just a military hunter
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  Speaker 1: that does not have ambitions beyond getting rich from the
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  Speaker 1: corrupt practices of a hunter, a like in Millmar. There
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  Speaker 1: are hunters around the world that don't threaten people, right,
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  Speaker 1: can Iran become one of those? Well?
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  Speaker 6: That was that was our big philosophical difference with the
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  Speaker 6: Aboma administration.
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  Speaker 5: For five years, I sat.
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  Speaker 6: In the in the most you know, intimate discussions with
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  Speaker 6: our American allies about Iran, and we looked at the
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  Speaker 6: exact same aerial photographs of the same intelligence information we knew
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  Speaker 6: exactly a complete agreement on the status of the Iranian
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  Speaker 6: nuclear program.
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  Speaker 5: Where we disagreed deeply.
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  Speaker 6: Philosophically, it was we thought, you know, Iran is a Jihattist, Islamicist,
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  Speaker 6: expansionist or basically mafia that seeks to dominate the Middle
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  Speaker 6: East then expand that hegemony beyond the Middle East to
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  Speaker 6: the world and didn't care who they killed in the
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  Speaker 6: process or how Whereas the Abom administration thought that these
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  Speaker 6: people operate on a cost benefit analysis, they're rational and
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  Speaker 6: that quote unquote Iran could become a responsible regional actor.
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  Speaker 5: Are also regional power quote unquote. You know, I think
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  Speaker 5: it's clear who was right in this debate.
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  Speaker 6: And there's a deep American and Western need to feel
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  Speaker 6: that human beings are basically just like us. They love
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  Speaker 6: their kids, they want the best for their children. You know,
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  Speaker 6: we're not dealing with that. We're dealing with the country
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  Speaker 6: that puts plastic keys around the next of tens of
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  Speaker 6: thousands of children and sends them out to clear mindfields.
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  Speaker 6: It is profoundly and utterly different, a completely alien universe.
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  Speaker 1: And is there a mob work. We've all seen the
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  Speaker 1: Godfather and we all know what it means to go
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  Speaker 1: to the mattresses? Have they gone to the mattresses in Iran?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think you see Iran regime fracture underway?
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  Speaker 5: Well, there's the first sign was to happen this week.
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  Speaker 6: When the Foreign Ministry said that the straits were open
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  Speaker 6: and the military says.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's not open, and you wonder, like who's calling
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  Speaker 5: the shots there?
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  Speaker 6: You know, it reminded me, if you have time, that's
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  Speaker 6: a great scene in the Apocalypse Now when Martin Sheen jumps
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  Speaker 6: into the foxhole and there's two.
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  Speaker 5: Soldiers there and say, you know, he says, who's in command?
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  Speaker 5: Here and they say, aren't you.
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  Speaker 1: At this point there are three commanders over in Iran,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what's the problem. Doctor Michael or in a
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  Speaker 1: timber Memorial Day to you and all our friends in Israel,
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  Speaker 1: mention it on School of War. If you don't tell
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: people about yourself, nobody will.
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: Well, it's a real honor to be on your show
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: with you. I've been a fan of yours for many,
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: many years, and I can't thank you enough for all
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: the kind words you've got about about the School War podcast.
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: So it's a real pleasure to talk around with you today. Well,
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: tell me tell the audience for it. You are a
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: major in the United States Marine Corps. How did you
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: end up doing that? Where are you from? And how
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: did you end up in the Marines.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, I was a captain.
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: I think I got promoted to major in the Individual
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: Ready Reserve after I left. But I don't stand on ceremony, Hugh.
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: But I was a captain in the infantry deployed to Afghanistan.
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: You know, my dad was a career army guy. And
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: if you'd asked me, Hugh, when I was growing up,
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: what are you going to do with your life? The
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: one thing I could have told you with great certainty
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: was I was never ever going to join the military.
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: But then, for like a lot of guys my age
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: nine to eleven, happens that changed my view and I
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: ended up in the Marines as the black Sheep in
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: an otherwise Army family came to Washington not long after that,
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: knocked around different roles to include some time as a
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: fellow at the Hudson Institute. And I started this podcast
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: on a lark, just because I was curious about military
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: history and figured others would be too. And just in
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: the last few years it's been really gratifying to see
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: it take off and develop a bit of an audience.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I've said this a couple of times today and
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I've only been able to say it twice in my life.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I was at the CIA yesterday and it was the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: unveiling of a director Pompale's portrait, and I told him
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: he had been the subject of an Aaron McClain podcast
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: because you were talking with Ronan about the YOC Mike
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Pompeo meeting that set in motion maximum Pressure. And I
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: think your episodes are fabulous. I recommend it to everyone. Aaron,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: here my question. There are six objectives in the Islamabad
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: two point zero. I am personally afraid of Munich two
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: point zero happening. Here are the objectives. No enrichment, not now,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: not ever, and never get the HU back, whether it's
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: dust or whether it's in some kind of usable open
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the straight of course, limits on missiles, ballistic missiles, maybe
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: no ballistic missile, the end of proxies, and Internet for
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the people. What's a win from those six objectives?
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: Well, I think that's a very reasonable set of objectives
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: you just articulated, Hugh. It concerns me some of the
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: you know, it's hard to verify these reports, but some
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: of the reports you see circulating about what actually the
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: working terms of a potential deal are fall pretty far
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: short of what you're describing.
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: I'm also concerned.
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: You see the re emergencies language are sort of moderates
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: and hardline in Iran, and there does I mean, to
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: be fair, there does seem to be this divergence between
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: a group of Iranians at the top who would be
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: comfortable with some kind of deal, and a group of
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: Iranians who are opposed to any kind of deal. But
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: you have to keep in mind even the ones that
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: are pro deal in some fashion, they're going to drive
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: a pretty hard bargain.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: It's just what they do.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: They're pretty good at this, and so it's hard to imagine,
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: for example, them simply relinquishing control over the Strait of
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: Warmous completely. That's their major leverage over the United States
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: and over the world. It's hard to imagine them simply
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: agreeing to zero enrichment and complete dismantlement, which is certainly
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: on the zero and rushment front, a goal that President
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: Trump has articulated repeatedly, not just in the last few weeks,
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: but really since he's returned to office since spring of
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: last year. Really, so, I think there's some pretty rough
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: waters ahead, and the major leverage they have is the
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: straight and I continue to be I suppose a bit
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: perplexed at why this administration has not been more proactive
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: and it's planning for an execution for getting friendly shipping
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: up and running excuse me through the Strait again.
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  Speaker 1: They did run a couple of Haarley Burke destroyers through
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the Strait early in the announcement before the IRGC renegged.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Let me talk to you a bit about the hardliners moderates.
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  Speaker 1: If you hung with the regime after they murdered tens
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: of thousands of their people, you don't get to call
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: yourself a moderate. That's they're all hard liners, but some
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: of them have guns. It's the hardliners with guns who
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: are running things. Is that a better way of saying it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's absolutely right. So it's true that
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: there are divisions. Iran has the politics, but it's a
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: politics amongst radicals. It's just different gradations of radicals and
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: different approaches.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: To relative pragmatism amongst.
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: Them, but all in service of radical revolutionary aims and
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: ultimately with the goal of preserving this revolutionary regime. They
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: just disagree about how best to go about it. The
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: relatively more pragmatic ones want to come to some kind
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: of accommodation in.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: String the United States along.
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: Basically the more radical ones think that they're actually winning
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: and that they can somehow defeat the United States, which
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: I think is a pretty dangerous game to be playing
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: with the Trump administration.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Now. In terms of the two mews, I'm sure you've
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: been on a mew during your career in the Marines.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: If it last, if you got up to captain, you
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: must have floated around somewhere. Sometimes they don't do anything
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: on a mew. What do you think they're there for.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I know they took control marines of some sort, took
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: control of the cargo ship that we were towing somewhere,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: But what do you think the mews are there for?
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: Well, the MEWS or tailor made for the kinds of
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: mission sets that they're doing right now. So supporting a
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: blockade with these visit board, search and c's missions, MUS
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: can absolutely do that. Those marines can go in from
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: the air, they can go in on small boats, whatever
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: really is required. I will say you I was in
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: the Marines at the sort of peak post nine to
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: eleven period, so my seven years were two thousand and
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: seven to twenty fourteen. I was on a boat for
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: exactly four hours during that time for a tour during
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: the basic school. It was all it was all desert
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: time for me, either training or Afghanistan. But plenty of
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: my friends served on MUS. These are very capable task forces.
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: They're kind of small. I think people don't realize that
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: you're really only talking about one thousand plus, you know,
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: ground combat marines, but heavily plussed up by you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: this aviation element, all kinds of enablers. They're very very capable,
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: also capable if the planners believe that there needs to
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: be some kind of ground element and reopening traffic in
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: the strait. The MEW is also tailor made for seizing
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: and operating on the kinds of small pieces of terrain
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: that are out there in and around the Strait of
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: Hour moves to facilitate something like that. I saw, as
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: you did, he those two Navy ships go through at
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: the start of at the start of the blockade. And
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: I've seen reports that we're using drones essentially drone U
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: submersibles to clear the mind to clear the straight of minds.
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: I think those are very positive reports. I would like
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: to see more of that. It reminds me a bit
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: of the hostages in Gaza. When the Trump administration succeeded
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: in getting the hostages out of Gaza, all of a sudden,
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: there was so much more latitude and so much freedom
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: to operate with the Hamas problem. If we could get
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: the straight up home moves open again, there'd just be
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: so much more latitude and freedom to operate visa vi
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: ir in.
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  Speaker 1: So. I listened to Jack Keane a lot on Fox Aaron,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and he is the hawks hawk. He does not want
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: to let take the boot off their neck at all.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: He wants to if anything stuck with both feet on it.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Where are you on the Jack Keane approach to this thing?
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Is there, in fact a real possibility of negotiating with
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: a terror regime that has lied to us for forty
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: seven years. In the CIA Museum, by the way, they
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: have a picture of the embassy blown up and the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: bet barricks blown up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I'm the Camp Lajoon Marine, so those guys from
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: eight Marines are always close to our hearts, though.
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  Speaker 4: I was in six Marines. Look, I'm skeptical.
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: I'm skeptical that even the so called moderates or wherever
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: we want to frame it, would offer anything like an
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: acceptable deal that comes close to the objectives you outlined
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: at the start of our conversation. I also think the
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: odds are pretty high that, you know, for example, the
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: IRGC would veto anything that even came close in that direction,
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: like we saw on Friday when the Iranian Foreign Minister
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: announced that the Strait was open, which, by the way,
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: that wasn't entirely right. He said it was open if
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: you follow our shipping lanes, which is a is not
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: good enough, and that's a complicated topic we could get into.
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: But he said it was more open than it had been,
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: and he saw the IRGC immediately veto that and start
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: shooting at ships and announcing the ships in the Strait
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: they had to turn around and go back. We could
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: easily see behavior like that after some sort of agreement
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: had been reached. So I do think the odds of
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: a return to some kind of combat operations here are
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: pretty high. And for all that, you know, it's possible
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: to talk about some of the strategic problems that we
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: face right now. The truth is the Iranians that the
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: regime is in terrible shape. They were in terrible shape
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: before this war started. You do need cash to run
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: a regime. You do need electrical power to run a regime.
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: You do need access to maritime trade if you're Iran,
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: and we have the power to basically deny them all
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: of those things, at which point it's going to.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Be pretty hard to run a Bananastand.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Aaron, I remember General Madis's wonderful memoir call Signed Chaos.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: He read it with bang West, and in that he
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: describes how they did a mew from the middle. You know,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Afghanistan's got no coach line, but they jumped over everyone
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and they landed the Marines in the middle of the desert,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and they caught the Taliban in a pincer. So the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Marines can pretty much go anywhere they want. My question
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: is we got one minute. How did they get him
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: out of there once they deploy a mew.
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: So you know, some of these deployments that I was
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: referencing a minute two ago in and around the Strait
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: up Ourmuz, you know, would be sort of on the
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: periphery of Iran, so probably a little bit less exposed
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: to some of the problems you cite. But you see
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: some of these operations mooted, you know, for example, an
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: operation to seize or Aanian nuclear materials in the face
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: of enemy opposition. Excuse me, I don't think that would
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: necessarily be the Marines. I think you're more likely to
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: see the US Army Special Operations Forces in so Calm
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: and Jaysock do that kind of thing, and that is,
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: you know, an extremely risky operation. But I could see
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: the President ordering if he felt that was the only
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: way to get the highly enricheranium.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Aaron B. McClain follow him on Etsit. Aaron B. McClain
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: like and follows school of War, Read him in the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Free Press, see him on CBS, Evenian News where he's
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the National Security correspondent. Now, thank you, Aeron. Look forward
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to having you back, They'll go anywhere America. Noah Rothman
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: is next. Welcome Back America. I'm Hugh Hewitt inside the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Relief Factors studio. Noah C. Rothman, senior writer with National Review,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: frequent contributor to the Editor's podcast on the National Review,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: occasionally sits in on the commentary podcast. He's always the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: hawks hawk, which is what I like. No and I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: agree on pretty much everything. Noah, I got a pit
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: in my stomach feeling about the Islamabad two point zero.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid it's Munich two point oh. What do you think?
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: I don't know yet. What we had over the weekend
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: was a lot of ephemeral noise about the prospects of
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: a negotiation under the terms that were being negotiated. It
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: was all very vague, and I didn't think very much
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: of it held up over the course of the weekend.
• 28:09
  Speaker 9: What did hold up was a lot of movement in
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: the strait of war moves, much of it very desirable
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: from my perspective.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: The seizure of.
• 28:16
  Speaker 9: The to Tauska, or this dual use tanker, which had
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: possible materials that can be used for military capabilities, demonstrated
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: that the United States has teeth associated with this blockade,
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: and it's not just talking about interdicting ships or forcing
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: those that are compliant to engage and respect the terms
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: of the blockade. It's enforcing those militarily and succeeding in
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: doing so. And then we had the statement from Chi
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: Chimping today, who this blockade I think is aimed at influencing, saying,
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: you know, we not naming the United States or Iran
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: as being the primary reason for the blockade in the
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: first place. So the problem with you know, commercial traffic
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: not being able to leave the straight, and he's just saying, well,
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: international law contends that we should opened the straight, or
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: as straight should be open to commercial trapping.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Point blank. That's desirable.
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: From my perspective, I think China was the reason why
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: we had Islam about one point zero in the first place,
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: so we want them to exert more pressure on this regime.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: And the regime is clearly at war with itself.
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: The RGC is going after got belief and a ragachi,
• 29:18
  Speaker 9: the political officials saying outright that they have no idea
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: what they're talking about, and they can't really speak for
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: the regime. So we're starting to see the conditions that
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: we want. I don't know why we would prematurely interrupt
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: the conditions that we've the evolution of the conditions that
• 29:34
  Speaker 9: we've midwiped into existence here. They're all desirable from our perspective.
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: It's just that we're up against the artificial timeline when
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: the ceasefire collapses tomorrow night, and we're not quite where
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: we want to be yet.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: But the Readian regime certainly isn't either.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Well let me spike. Let me tell you what would
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: lead me to spike the football. Noah, we would. They
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: get no enrichment ever, not now, not ever, never, not
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in fifteen, not in twenty. They don't get enrichment. Number two,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: so we get the nuclear desk, the highly enriched uranium.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know how we do it. They can work
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: that out, but they commit to us doing it and
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: we can enforce it later. Straight has to be open.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Those are the big three. Now. The second three is
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: no more support for your proxies. That means from usis stranded,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: has belives stranded. Bhuti's getting nothing more. Number four is
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: number five is something for the Iranian people. I don't
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: know what is. Maybe it's turning on the internet. Maybe
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it's even an acknowledgment that they killed twenty five thirty
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: forty thousand people and we won't do it again. And
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: then finally, and this is the hardest one, to describe
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: some sort of control on their missile program that is
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: subject to inspection anywhere anytime. What do you make of
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: my list?
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: I mean it is the maximalist list. I share all
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: those objectives. I think a lot of them. The Arenia
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: regime could not agree to without essentially concurring that the
• 30:55
  Speaker 9: Uranian regime should not exist. The Ernie regime defines itself
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: in opposition to the States in Israel militarily, and to
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: sever its relationship with its terarrist proxies has Bulo, most significantly,
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: I think, would be tantamount to it admitting that the
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: Islamic Republic's modus for endi it's raizondetra is just no
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: longer operative, and that would functionally mean regime change, and
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: the regime officials would probably fear for their lives and
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: act accordingly. Everything else sounds not too horribly unreasonable, even
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: the missile protections. If this regime was very serious about
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: getting to terms that would be a durable peace settlement
• 31:32
  Speaker 9: with the United States and israel I just don't think
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: that it has that interest. It needs to be forced
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: into capitulation, and it's not quite there yet. But yeah,
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: I agree that the surrendering of the highly enrich uranium
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: should be a huge undertaking. If it is, as we believe,
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: under several thousand tons of lightly irradiated rubble at these
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: nuclear sites, that wouldn't be something that we could just
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: go in and do. If the United States were to
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: be in charge of that operation, we'd be erecting a
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: small city around these places and kurd conducting excavation operations
• 32:00
  Speaker 9: as a sitting target.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: It's not something that I think the United States would
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: want to do.
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: So this is an Iranian project or an international project
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: under the IAEA, but it's not.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Something that the area.
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: It's unreasonable to ask, nor is it unreasonable to demand
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: that there be limits on the Iranian ballistic missile program.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: The Ranians fired off a two stage.
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: Ballistic missile at the Diego Garcia, well beyond what they
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: said they had and well beyond what ey country needs.
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: Unless it's developing a non conventional deterrent, you don't need
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: a two stage missile that can travel four thousand kilometers
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: to develop a con to deliver a conventional warhead anywhere
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: on the planet Earth.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: It's just not necessary.
• 32:36
  Speaker 9: You can't muster enough force to make that cost benefit
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: necessary unless there's a conventional warhead on the top of
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: that thing.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: No, I don't often get to say this. This is
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the second time I've been able to say it in
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: my life. I was at the CIA yesterday in Langley,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and it was because of the portrait hanging in Mike Bompeo.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: It's not like it was. I was there for a briefing,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: but I was talking to a pretty smart character, and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the pretty smart character said, we can establish a perimeter
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: that opens up so much around the site that our
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: A tens can destroy anyone who approaches it. If we
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: want to go get the hgu they have to agree
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: to give us a perimeter that gives us enough time
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: to respond if any hostiles approach. In other words, given
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the thumb sign to demand the uranium and go dig
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: it out yourself, don't let them do it, and they
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: just agree to stay away from if Shahan or food
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: or wherever we think it is. If they agree to,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: if they're collapsing, if the hunt that just wants to survive.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: They'll agree to anything, right, But.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: That's what it would mean. I'm not saying that we
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: couldn't do it.
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: When we had this rescue operation for this F fifteen
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  Speaker 9: E pilot, we established a small air base inside a
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  Speaker 9: run thirty miles from Issahan.
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  Speaker 4: That's something we can do.
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: It's not desirable and it's certainly not something the Ranian
• 33:53
  Speaker 9: regime would agree to unless it we're in the throes
• 33:56
  Speaker 9: of something like a collapse. If not a radical behavior changed,
• 33:59
  Speaker 9: that basically functionally tantamount to regime change.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: So I mean, we're talking.
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: About a big chance, a big shift of the character
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: of this regime across the board from just about all
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: those asks, especially if we were to talk about some
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: sort of beneficence to the Iranian people, like turning the
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: Internet back on. And the foremost concern of this regime
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: is that its own people are going to come to
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: get them, as they have with pretty metronomic regularity over
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: the course of the last few years, and then the
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: next time they do so, they will not be confronted
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: with the terror apparatus that the Iranian regime had in
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: its control previously. So there's a lot of more, there's
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: more pressure to be brought to bear into this regime.
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: But if it wants to survive, you know, there's certain
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: elements that it just in its conception, cannot agree to.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: It cannot give what's the and I'd love to see
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: all of those.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: All what's the minimum that we come back And it's
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: not Munich two point zero.
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: It has to be the set the agreed upon with
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: a with a means to get there, and not just
• 34:59
  Speaker 9: in principle a set of means to a mechanism to
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: enforce this. That's the surrender of the highly enriched uranium
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: and all enriched uranium in Uran's custody. Its capacity to develop,
• 35:10
  Speaker 9: to spin up these centrifuges and enrich uranium further is
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: pretty well degraded. So I'm coomfortable with that. But that's
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: you know, that's not a permanent solution. So surrendering of
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: the uranium of the uranium is goal number one. Number
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: two is the free open maritime navigation of the Strait of.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Hormuz to all commercial traffic.
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: That's just something that should be a baseline condition for negotiations, much.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Less a durable peace settlement.
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: And you know, anything else after that is, in my view,
• 35:37
  Speaker 9: pretty much gravy. We went into this saying that we
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: were going to strip them of their ability to develop
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: a nuclear weapon, delivering a nuclear weapon, funding terrorism. That's
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: all really bad, but it's perhaps outside the scope of
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: a negotiated piece, which is not the.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: End of our dealings with Iran.
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: The next stage is fomenting insurrectionary rebellion inside the Islamic.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Republic, said as always nos c Rosman, Bamjacs at NOSC
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  Speaker 1: Rosman read him in the National View and of course
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  Speaker 1: I brought up Graham Platner in Maine, he's crazy left.
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  Speaker 1: I brought up Abdul l Sayeed in Michigan, he's a
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  Speaker 1: crazy radical. And then you did a big profile of
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: John Fetterman for the Washington Post. What is it about
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Fetterman that may make him not like the other three?
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: One of those four doesn't belong there, and his name
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: is Fetterman, Betterman.
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: What makes him different for them is that he is
• 38:11
  Speaker 10: willing when he believes that it reflects what the state,
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  Speaker 10: the positions that the people in.
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  Speaker 11: The statehold, to vote in that way rather than the
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  Speaker 10: Him to vote, and making a mistake. Ninety one percent
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  Speaker 10: of the time he votes with Democrats.
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  Speaker 11: He is a Democrat.
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: However, his party is demanding purity and it has become
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  Speaker 10: the cult that they say that Republicans are. But the
• 38:44
  Speaker 10: truth be told, the cult is within the Democratic Party.
• 38:49
  Speaker 11: And I took the time.
• 38:51
  Speaker 10: Not only I spent a lot of time with John,
• 38:53
  Speaker 10: I've recovered him since two thousand and five. And I
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: also interviewed Hunter Lamb, who he defeated by thirty percentage
• 39:03
  Speaker 10: to points, winning all sixty seven counties.
• 39:07
  Speaker 11: In that primary.
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: Along with Brendan Boyle, who's a Democrat from Philadelphia, and
• 39:14
  Speaker 10: Chris Deluzio, who's a Western Pennsylvania Democrat.
• 39:17
  Speaker 11: All members of the House or former members of the House.
• 39:20
  Speaker 11: None of them would commit to say that they were running.
• 39:23
  Speaker 10: And I suspect at the end of the day that
• 39:27
  Speaker 10: maybe none of them run, that it's just smack talking
• 39:31
  Speaker 10: to build up their street cred.
• 39:33
  Speaker 11: But they may not challenge him at all despite all
• 39:37
  Speaker 11: the whining and moaning. Look, the party leadership.
• 39:41
  Speaker 10: Understands that if he runs for reelection in two thousand
• 39:45
  Speaker 10: and eight in a general election, he will win in
• 39:48
  Speaker 10: the same way that he won in twenty twenty two,
• 39:51
  Speaker 10: and in the same way that Josh Shapiro wins, because
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: they are deliberate with their votes, as opposed to liners
• 40:01
  Speaker 10: with their party.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: In your conversations with either Senator Fennerman or the former
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: congressman who think about challenging him, did the national party
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: come up? Because the problem really isn't Pennsylvania politics. It's
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: still kind of a normal democratic state. It's liberal, it's
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: left of center, it's not radical, it's not grand Platner.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you followed his campaign in Maine.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: It's not Abdul al say yet in Michigan he is
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: really out there, and it's not Peggy Flanagan in Minnesota,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: who may be the most liberal of all three. Actually,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Platner is just nuts, So I'm not sure I actually
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: can plot him on an X Y axis. Do you
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: talk about the National Party with Fetterman?
• 40:48
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, look, what is driving all three of those.
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: Other men to knit at him is definitely the National Party.
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: The National Party wants them to go after him.
• 41:02
  Speaker 10: Because they are demanding a p surety from him. And
• 41:07
  Speaker 10: I would argue that neither Boyle or or Delusio are
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: hard left. I would call them center left, and which
• 41:18
  Speaker 10: is why when they first started doing this. Although Deluzio
• 41:21
  Speaker 10: has never personally attacked him, he and he and Betterman
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: have a pretty good relationship.
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: They just differ on Iran. I mean, some of these
• 41:30
  Speaker 11: attacks that that Boyle and land you.
• 41:33
  Speaker 10: Are really personal and pretty nasty, and which which is
• 41:39
  Speaker 10: why I.
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: Thought what Patrick Murphy said was so important.
• 41:42
  Speaker 10: The former congressman from Bucks County, first Iraq war veteran
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: to serve in the House. He said, look, we come
• 41:49
  Speaker 10: from the Pennsylvania corner, right. Jack Murtha is the guy
• 41:53
  Speaker 10: who set the tone.
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: There and you don't go after fellow Democrats.
• 41:57
  Speaker 10: Now you might do it in the private room, but
• 41:59
  Speaker 10: you don't do that in public in any way, shape
• 42:02
  Speaker 10: or form. And Patrick said after that of Martha passed away,
• 42:08
  Speaker 10: but that that compartment continued. And so if he's really
• 42:14
  Speaker 10: disappointed to see this behavior.
• 42:16
  Speaker 11: By all of them.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Now the governor Whites attack baby Net in Yahoo, but
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: he doesn't attack Israel. I don't know what he said,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: if anything about aid to Israel. Did the philibuster come
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: up when you talk with John Fetterman, because I think
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: he stands with the filibuster, which is where I am
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and most Republicans.
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: No, it did not come up. But you're right, that's
• 42:39
  Speaker 11: exactly where he stands.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: And what about the other three who might be challenging him,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: because it's the talking point among Democratic left wingers that
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: they want to blow up the filibuster and pack the
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: court and ruin the rule of law, which will be
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: devastating for the country.
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: Right now, I didn't get into that with them. I
• 42:57
  Speaker 10: stuck with basically, are you going to run or not?
• 43:01
  Speaker 11: You know you're out there yapping. What does that mean?
• 43:04
  Speaker 11: Is there any meat behind the bone or on the
• 43:07
  Speaker 11: bone on this.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: It's a long way till Fetterman has to come up again.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: It's at least two years. But let me close by
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: asking you the last week you mentioned that the church
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: of your youth and your parents and your grandparents was closing.
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  Speaker 1: Got questioned after that. Was there objections from within the diocese,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: because sometimes when the diocese has to make a tough call,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the locals rise up. Are there any locals yet left
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: who rose up? Or is it a done deal?
• 43:37
  Speaker 10: This is the fifth time they've tried to close it,
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: and people are exhausted.
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  Speaker 11: It wasn't going to happen this time. No one was
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  Speaker 11: going to save at this time. People trust me.
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  Speaker 10: This thing this church has been saying is in like
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  Speaker 10: it's ninth afterlife, right, there was no more.
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  Speaker 11: People were just ex.
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  Speaker 10: Austed by constantly having to fight to save their church.
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  Speaker 1: What is the what happens next to the church? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: do they sell it?
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  Speaker 11: They haven't said.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 10: They have They have sold seventy They've closed seventy eight
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• 44:23
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• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I'm here to do it. As you're driving home, I
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  Speaker 1: want you they keep in mind the date of April thirtieth,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and then for the week thereafter in theaters across the
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: United States, The Story of Everything. Now, a movie that
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: promised you the Story of Everything has got to deliver.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: And so I've asked doctor Stephen Meyer, old friends of
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the program, you've heard heard him on my show for
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: many many years from the Discovery Institute up in Seattle,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: to join me. Hello, doctor Meyer, welcome back. Tell us
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: what the Story of Everything is about? And people can
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: find out more Story of Everything dot film. But what's
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: it all about? Yeah?
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: Thanks Hu. Yeah, you could think that the Story of
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: Everything is a pretentious title, but it's actually about the
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: story of everything, the story of the origin of the
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: universe and the origin of the life thank excuse me,
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: the origin of life inside the universe, and especially it's
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: the story of the scientific discoveries that are changing scientist's
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: mind about the old materialistic, scientific atheist story that says
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: that everything came about by undirected, unguided processes, and instead,
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: three major discovers are described in the film that tell
• 46:04
  Speaker 8: us that point to a designing mind behind the universe.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: You and the scientists at the Discovery Institute have been
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: working on this for many, many years. What is it
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: that makes this film different from the apologetics work and
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: the intelligent design work and all the various arguments we've
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: heard from Robert Jastrow in the early day through Francis
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Collins before he went to NIH, A lot of scientists
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: have tried to argue about the coefficient of the universe.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Why is the story of everything different?
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: It's different in a couple of respects. First of all,
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: it tells the story. It tells the story of the
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: discoveries that have changed scientists minds, and it tells the
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: stories of those scientists. So it's very viewable and engaging,
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: but it's also very comprehensive, and it draws these different
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: threads of evidence together to show that we don't just
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: have evidence of a designing intelligence of some unspecified kind,
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: but rather, what we're seeing is evidence of a designing
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: intelligence that has the attributes that traditional theists, Jews, and
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: Christians have long ascribed to God. There's evidence of a
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: transcendent intelligence who is also active in the creation. And
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: we see that in the evidence of the beginning of
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: the universe, the creation event itself, and we see it
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: in the evidence for the fine tuning of the basic
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: parameters of physics. And we see it especially in the
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: interior workings of the Living Cell, where we have an
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: exquisite realm of digital nanotechnology, and this film brings it
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: to life. The producers have done a fantastic job, four
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: hundred visual effects, beautiful cinematography, a gorgeous score. So it's
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: not only intellectually satisfying intellectually engaging, it's also esthetically very
• 47:48
  Speaker 8: very compelling.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Now you're a very good public intellectual. I don't know
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: that you're a filmmaker. Who did you hire to do this?
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Because I can't make them I watch.
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: Them, Yeah, I can't either. We work with a group
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: called Cipher Films, They've had two very successful previous theatrical
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: release documentaries. They always they always pay their investors back
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: with the premium. Their last one was called After Death,
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: which was all about near death experiences, which is still
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: the highest grossing faith based documentary to be released in theaters.
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: So very skilled filmmakers, fantastic production values. We had a
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: tremendous review of the film in the Wall Street Journal
• 48:28
  Speaker 8: last Friday with Peter Robinson of mister Gorbachev Tear Down
• 48:33
  Speaker 8: this Wall of Fame, the old speech writer for Ronald Reagan,
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: and he gave it very high marks for the production
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: values as well as the persuasive content of the film itself.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Now, Peter is a Hoover Institution fellow, so you've got
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: to say very sure intellect at work there. Dolby's guy,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: any camera. Is it going to be on the biggest
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: of screens.
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: It's on the big screen. It was made for the
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: big screen. So there will be a digital release, but
• 49:01
  Speaker 8: I'd really encourage people to get out and see it
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: in theaters because the theatrical experience, the cinematic experience, as
• 49:07
  Speaker 8: one reviewer said, is just spectacular. You go all the
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: way back to the to the origin of the universe,
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: way out in space and then deep into the cell.
• 49:17
  Speaker 8: And then it's a very interesting device that the producers used.
• 49:22
  Speaker 8: They didn't have a narrator, they didn't have a host.
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: They allowed the scientists themselves, with their testimony intercut one
• 49:30
  Speaker 8: after another, to tell the story, and it creates a
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: very powerful pacing of in the narrative.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: All kay, what is the run time? Steven? I'm always
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: people always want to know how long am I going
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: to be in the theater.
• 49:44
  Speaker 8: It's an hour and thirty five minutes. So it's a
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: perfect length for a theatrical theatrical documentary, not too long,
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: not too short, just right. It's physicists say.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: One hundred and thirty five minutes is just perfect. That
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: was fer too much to cut. We we had to
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: go to two and a half hours. I said, oh dear,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty five minutes, it's just perfect. We
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: come back from break. We're going to talk about some
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: mundane things like the score. I also want because I
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  Speaker 1: not just for believers, but for those in fact who
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  Speaker 1: the universe and the marvelous, marvelous apologetic contained within our
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  Speaker 1: Hugh Welcome back to America. Doctor Stephen Meyer is back.
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  Speaker 1: He is a force behind the story of everything. The
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  Speaker 1: movie that we'll be in theaters on April thirtieth through
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  Speaker 1: May sixth, and that's just the first week. If it
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  Speaker 1: does as well as we think it will do, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure you'll extend the run. Stephen, tell me a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about how this came to be. You guys have
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  Speaker 1: been working away for years persuading people of the science.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you decide to go big screen?
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  Speaker 8: Well, a little bit of it is my own story.
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  Speaker 8: I've been thinking about the theistic implications of modern scientific
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  Speaker 8: discoveries since I went off to do my PhD work
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  Speaker 8: at the University of Cambridge in the late nineteen eighties,
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  Speaker 8: I produced a book about the origin of life and
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  Speaker 8: the evidence for design in the interior workings of the cell,
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  Speaker 8: called Signature in the Cell. A second book, also looking
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  Speaker 8: at the informational requirements for building living systems, called Darwin's Doubt.
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  Speaker 8: You kindly had me on for an interview about that.
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  Speaker 8: And then my third book in the trilogy is actually
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  Speaker 8: called The Return of the God hypothesis, where that we're
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  Speaker 8: not just looking at evidence for a designing intelligence of
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  Speaker 8: some unspecified kind, but again a designing intelligence that has
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  Speaker 8: the attributes that traditional theists have long ascribed to God.
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  Speaker 8: And that book took me three and a half years
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  Speaker 8: to write. I finished it in twenty twenty one, and
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  Speaker 8: very soon Effort was published. I was approached by the
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  Speaker 8: Cipher film team team and they said, we'd like to
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  Speaker 8: adapt your book into a cinematic experience, is the way
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  Speaker 8: they put it. And it's with some delays from COVID
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  Speaker 8: and not being able to get to some of our
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  Speaker 8: key interview subjects, we finally finished that film earlier this year.
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  Speaker 8: It was a five year odyssey. We have scientists from
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  Speaker 8: all over the world, from Australia, from Britain, from France,
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  Speaker 8: and of course the United States.
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  Speaker 1: So a.
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  Speaker 8: Very fine cast. It's divided into separate acts that are
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  Speaker 8: very digestible and understandable. The filmmakers use the device of
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  Speaker 8: a kind of chapter divisions that help people to stay
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  Speaker 8: with the science. But the storytelling is really strong, and
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  Speaker 8: so I think people will find it very, very easy
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  Speaker 8: to follow and will open up a whole new world
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  Speaker 8: to people that maybe never really thought much about what
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  Speaker 8: science has to tell us about God.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Steven, it's undeniable that a score either exponentially expands
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  Speaker 1: the impact of a movie or detracts from the quality
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  Speaker 1: of the content. Who scored the film and why did
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  Speaker 1: you pick him or her? It was her?
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  Speaker 8: Her name is Hannah and she just did a fantastic job.
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  Speaker 1: We got it.
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  Speaker 8: The score itself was performed by a symphony in Eastern
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  Speaker 8: Europe and they did just a fantastic job. We all
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  Speaker 8: got to listen on headphones as they were doing it.
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  Speaker 8: So it's just very beautiful. And we also have a
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  Speaker 8: super trailer coming out with a score that was done
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  Speaker 8: by my son who's a young composer, and so music
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  Speaker 8: has been a big part of this.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, the.
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  Speaker 8: Final scene in the film discusses the whole problem, the
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  Speaker 8: problem but the mystery of beauty, that our universe and
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  Speaker 8: life itself is much more beautiful than anything that is
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  Speaker 8: required for mere Darwinian survival. So the problem of gratuitous
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  Speaker 8: beauty is a note we end on, and of course
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  Speaker 8: the film capturing that beauty gives the film both an
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  Speaker 8: intellectual and an aesthetic experience.
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  Speaker 1: Now, how did you pick the six hundred theater? It's everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: but some people won't be able to get it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure if the list is going to be at
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  Speaker 1: the Story of Everything dot film. Tickets are at the
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  Speaker 1: Story of Everything dot film. How did you pick your
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  Speaker 1: distribution list? That's a good distribution.
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  Speaker 8: I think it's Yeah, it's good distribution. And as we're acquiring,
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  Speaker 8: as our pre sales are boosting this even this last week,
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  Speaker 8: new theaters are being added. So if people go to
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  Speaker 8: the Story of Everything dot film or to the Fathom website,
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  Speaker 8: they can get more information and even put in requests
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  Speaker 8: for additional theaters to be added in their area.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the final question is you and I have worked
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  Speaker 1: for twenty five years through the old atheists, the new atheists,
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  Speaker 1: the old New atheists, et cetera. There are always say arguments,
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  Speaker 1: did you bother to refute them in the film? Because
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  Speaker 1: I hope you didn't waste your time, but maybe you
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  Speaker 1: thought you had to.
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  Speaker 8: No, the old the new atheism is spent for uce.
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  Speaker 8: It was never new. That's the kind of strange thing
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  Speaker 8: about it. It was the recycled village atheism of the
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  Speaker 8: late nineteenth century. What the film focuses on is are
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  Speaker 8: the new discoveries in cosmology, physics, and especially in biology
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  Speaker 8: and molecular biology that point to the reality of a
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  Speaker 8: designing intelligence behind life in the universe. We do introduce
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  Speaker 8: some of those figures early on to contrast the story
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  Speaker 8: we're going to tell, because the story contrast too, or
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  Speaker 8: rather the film contrast two stories, the story of the
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  Speaker 8: terry Lists story of undirected processes making everything we see,
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  Speaker 8: and the new story of science, which is really a
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  Speaker 8: reprise of the great story of science that started with
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  Speaker 8: Newton and Boyle, Kepler and the great founders of modern science,
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  Speaker 8: and that is that behind the universe there's evidence for
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  Speaker 8: a super intellect. As one of the physicists who changed
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  Speaker 8: his mind, Sir Fred Hoyle put.
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  Speaker 1: It, well, what I like to tell people. Is every
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  Speaker 1: work of art, at least every great work of art,
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  Speaker 1: is almost inevitably signed by the creator, and you can
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  Speaker 1: figure out who the creator is if only by matching
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  Speaker 1: great works of art with other ones. Do you feel
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  Speaker 1: at the end, what's the objective to make the non
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  Speaker 1: believer hesitate, to make the believer be confirmed? What is it?
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  Speaker 8: I want to put a little spring in the step
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  Speaker 8: of especially young believers, who feel so intellectually insecure and
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  Speaker 8: defensive because of the hostile atheist professors they often encounter.
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  Speaker 8: And for the rest of us, of all ages, if
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  Speaker 8: people already believe in God, they will find not only
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  Speaker 8: confirmation of that, but I think almost an impulse to
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  Speaker 8: worship because the evidence and the beauty of nature are
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  Speaker 8: so powerfully pointing to the reality of our creator. And
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  Speaker 8: it's also a film for people who are believers that
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  Speaker 8: you can take your skeptical friends to. It doesn't have
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  Speaker 8: a cringe factor. It's very very in fact, the argument
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  Speaker 8: is somewhat understated, but it's very powerful and it gives
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  Speaker 8: people a lot to think about. In the screenings we've had,
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  Speaker 8: people have wanted to go out immediately and have long discussions.
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  Speaker 8: So I think it's the kind of film that will
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  Speaker 8: create constructive discussions across the worldview divides that are fracturing
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  Speaker 8: our culture, and we hope we bring a lot of
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  Speaker 8: people together around a common interest in the big questions.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I got to ask before we run out of time,
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  Speaker 1: my old friend Brian Burgs involved, what was his hand
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  Speaker 1: in this?
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  Speaker 8: Oh, he's spectacular. He's the old hand who's done. He's
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  Speaker 8: had thirty year career in Hollywood. He's the genius behind
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  Speaker 8: When Calls the Heart, which is the long running Hallmark
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  Speaker 8: Channel thing. But he's got credits, you know, so many
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  Speaker 8: credits touched by an angel forever and he just kept
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  Speaker 8: us on track with the wisdom of a seasoned producer.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad to see the name on there. I
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  Speaker 1: just when you're and for you to say we knew
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  Speaker 1: about the cringe factor. We didn't want to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Hats off to Steven. The Story of Everything in theaters
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  Speaker 1: on April thy It's through many shaped Buy your tickets now.
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