Latest / Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast / [North Carolina] Bitter Blood Murders
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- 0:04Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome to Bless This Mess of the True
- 0:22Speaker 1: Crime Podcast.
- 0:23Speaker 2: I'm Kara, here with Stu.
- 0:23Speaker 3: Say hey, Stu.
- 0:24Speaker 1: Hey.
- 0:24Speaker 2: All right, go ahead and grab your mason jars and
- 0:27Speaker 2: pull up your rocking chairs. Yes, I'm still leaning into
- 0:32Speaker 2: the porch theme. It's never going away, Stu. It is
- 0:35Speaker 2: never going away. So today we are going to North
- 0:40Speaker 2: Carolina for a case that was brought down three Southern families.
- 0:48Speaker 2: Fancy Southern families. Rich Southern families.
- 0:52Speaker 4: Kind of like the Murdochs?
- 0:55Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was similar situations. They were Southern families.
- 1:00Speaker 4: Royalty. Aristocrats, or whatever you call them.
- 1:02Speaker 2: Whatever you call them, yes.
- 1:04Speaker 4: Got brought down by their own hubris.
- 1:06Speaker 2: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I would say that, yes. But before we
- 1:11Speaker 2: get into everything, here is a regular, or here's a reminder.
- 1:16Speaker 3: I can't.
- 1:17Speaker 2: Guys, it's late.
- 1:19Speaker 4: It's only 10.30 at night. It's not late.
- 1:21Speaker 2: It's late for me. I normally am in bed by now.
- 1:25Speaker 2: Here is a reminder of our weekly schedule. So on
- 1:29Speaker 2: Mondays is when I step outside the South for our
- 1:31Speaker 2: Little Less Mess mini-sodes. So that one you can go
- 1:34Speaker 2: check out. They are titled A Little Less Mess. And
- 1:37Speaker 2: then it's like this week I went to New Jersey. Yeah, Jersey, Stu. Jersey.
- 1:43Speaker 2: You know what's funny is when I'm recording those because
- 1:45Speaker 2: I just read them, I have a hard time. Anytime
- 1:47Speaker 2: I say details in my head, I'm like.
- 1:50Speaker 4: Almost tell yourself to drink.
- 1:51Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost tell myself I should say drink.
- 1:54Speaker 5: And then I wanted to say he's a Jersey.
- 1:56Speaker 2: He's a Jersey. He's a Jew and he's a ginger.
- 1:59Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
- 2:01Speaker 2: Anyways.
- 2:02Speaker 4: South Park reference.
- 2:03Speaker 2: That's a South Park reference. Don't come at me.
- 2:05Speaker 4: Okay.
- 2:05Speaker 5: Be like, why is she saying Jews and gingers?
- 2:08Speaker 3: And Jersey.
- 2:09Speaker 2: And Jersey. And then Thursdays is our regular episode with
- 2:13Speaker 2: what you're listening to right now. If you want to
- 2:15Speaker 2: get those early and ad-free, plus our Friday bonus show, Sittin',
- 2:19Speaker 2: Sippin' and Bullshittin', come join our Patreon family. Now you
- 2:24Speaker 2: can also keep the porch light on by visiting our
- 2:26Speaker 2: Buy Me A Coffee page to treat us to a
- 2:29Speaker 2: sweet tea. Stu was supposed to get all the Patreons
- 2:36Speaker 2: and he has not. So next week, I promise, he's
- 2:38Speaker 2: going to go back from when we revamped and get
- 2:42Speaker 2: all the Patreons and give a shout out.
- 2:44Speaker 3: That was in Midland.
- 2:46Speaker 4: Yes, that was in Midland. We were not in Midland
- 2:48Speaker 4: that month.
- 2:49Speaker 2: We haven't been, we've only been here a month. So,
- 2:51Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like it's.
- 2:54Speaker 4: Seems like a long time since we haven't completely unpacked
- 2:58Speaker 4: our house yet. I say we're only about a quarter
- 3:01Speaker 4: away through the process of unpacking and sorting all the
- 3:06Speaker 4: crap that goes along with it. Trying to find pediatricians, doctors,
- 3:11Speaker 4: pediatric dentists.
- 3:12Speaker 2: And things for these children to do. I wanted to
- 3:14Speaker 2: mention on the buy me a coffee. So Lisa, she
- 3:17Speaker 2: was so sweet after I had my, so on the
- 3:19Speaker 2: sit and sipping and bullshit. And I told quite the
- 3:22Speaker 2: work story from my first week at work. And I'm still,
- 3:26Speaker 2: if I start to talk about it again, I will
- 3:28Speaker 2: start laughing. So anyway, she was, she sent me, she sent, um,
- 3:33Speaker 2: told me to go buy me a coffee and then
- 3:35Speaker 2: she accidentally did it twice. And I was, I've been
- 3:37Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to refund her the other ones, but.
- 3:39Speaker 4: She told me to keep it.
- 3:41Speaker 2: But, She was very nice to send me the coffees,
- 3:44Speaker 2: and I definitely went and have gotten me a coffee
- 3:47Speaker 2: at work. So thank you very, very much.
- 3:50Speaker 4: I have received nothing from this.
- 3:51Speaker 2: No, you haven't. So, well, the coffee makes me a
- 3:55Speaker 2: nicer person. I mean, by the time I see you,
- 3:57Speaker 2: the coffee's worn off.
- 3:58Speaker 4: No, it's worn off by the time you get home.
- 4:00Speaker 2: But the people at work, it's helping my performance review.
- 4:04Speaker 2: I'm a likable person. Yes, I had people come up
- 4:08Speaker 2: and tell me I was cool. I was a cool girl.
- 4:11Speaker 5: I was awesome after I did my Who Am I?
- 4:15Speaker 2: And told my story. If you've been here a while,
- 4:18Speaker 2: I told my story about witnessing the armed robbery.
- 4:24Speaker 4: And Kelly Clarkson.
- 4:25Speaker 2: And Kelly Clarkson.
- 4:26Speaker 5: Your two go-tos.
- 4:27Speaker 2: Those are my two stories. I used them both. And
- 4:30Speaker 2: then they thought it was funny that we had our
- 4:32Speaker 2: kids riding across into Mexico on a donkey. So... Everyone's
- 4:37Speaker 2: also shocked. I mean, like, at this point in time,
- 4:39Speaker 2: if you have four children, I feel like you're just like,
- 4:41Speaker 2: they think you're like a giant family.
- 4:43Speaker 5: Yes.
- 4:45Speaker 4: Oh, that's the one where you had that picture of
- 4:46Speaker 4: me hunched over so the one-year-old wouldn't fall off the donkey.
- 4:48Speaker 3: Yes.
- 4:49Speaker 4: And it looks like I'm hanging on for dear life.
- 4:51Speaker 2: Yes, I forgot to tell Stu I put that in
- 4:53Speaker 2: the picture, because I had to put pictures.
- 4:55Speaker 4: So I can never go to a work function.
- 4:56Speaker 2: And meet these people. No, you can't. Oh, they got
- 4:58Speaker 2: a big Christmas thing.
- 4:59Speaker 4: Well, I'm not going, evidently. Oh, it's the guy that
- 5:02Speaker 4: was hunched over.
- 5:03Speaker 3: No.
- 5:04Speaker 4: Hanging on that donkey.
- 5:05Speaker 2: Hunchy Dan over there.
- 5:15Speaker 4: Come on, Wheezy.
- 5:16Speaker 1: Okay.
- 5:16Speaker 4: Get it together.
- 5:18Speaker 2: While you're at it, make sure you're following us on TikTok, Facebook, Instagram,
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- 5:24Speaker 2: which I really enjoy doing. And then I do weekly
- 5:28Speaker 2: true crime documentary recommendations, just like whatever I'm watching, whatever
- 5:31Speaker 2: new is coming out. And then we also have our
- 5:34Speaker 2: cozy mystery movie clubs, too, if you'd like to join.
- 5:38Speaker 2: We don't go anywhere or anything, but we watch Lifetime
- 5:41Speaker 2: movies in bed with snacks.
- 5:42Speaker 4: So I just got to dial it up and look
- 5:44Speaker 4: at what you're telling me?
- 5:45Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 5:46Speaker 4: Are you inviting me to the bed with you? No. Okay.
- 5:51Speaker 2: No, this is a solo activity. Anyways, as always, the
- 5:58Speaker 2: best way to support the show is to rate, review, subscribe,
- 6:01Speaker 2: wherever you're listening right now. So go ahead and grab
- 6:04Speaker 2: your mason jar. I'm drinking hot chocolate out of a
- 6:07Speaker 2: ghost cup right now.
- 6:08Speaker 4: Somebody's got to work tomorrow.
- 6:09Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 6:10Speaker 2: And let's go ahead and get into today's story. You know,
- 6:15Speaker 2: I was going to stay on point with this one
- 6:16Speaker 2: because I was like, it's late. We got to say it.
- 6:19Speaker 2: But the problem is when it's late, I start getting silly.
- 6:23Speaker 4: A little silly. Okay. Well, our story begins with the
- 6:29Speaker 4: highest echelons of North Carolina society, Kara.
- 6:33Speaker 2: You got to read it like, our story begins with
- 6:36Speaker 2: the highest echelons of North Carolina society.
- 6:40Speaker 4: I don't know if they talk, that sounds like Charles.
- 6:42Speaker 2: In the 1970s and 1980s, it's all the same over there.
- 6:44Speaker 4: You think?
- 6:44Speaker 2: It's Carolinas, yeah.
- 6:45Speaker 4: Well, now we're going to get hate mail.
- 6:48Speaker 2: In the 70s and 1980s, the Sharp and Newsom families
- 6:50Speaker 2: were practically Southern aristocracy. Aristocracy?
- 6:54Speaker 4: Aristocracy.
- 6:56Speaker 2: Oh, we had the... I was joking and reading Stu
- 6:59Speaker 2: this story, started reading it to him like that to
- 7:02Speaker 2: mess with him, and I mispronounced aristocracy.
- 7:07Speaker 4: Aristocracy. Aristocracy.
- 7:11Speaker 2: I'm good at with numbers. Aristocracy. I couldn't pronounce it there,
- 7:15Speaker 2: and I completely forgot you corrected me, and then just
- 7:18Speaker 2: now it just happened again. I'm never going to get
- 7:20Speaker 2: that word.
- 7:20Speaker 4: Well, whenever I make jokes about being suave and debonier,
- 7:23Speaker 4: then I pronounce it debonier a lot whenever I don't
- 7:26Speaker 4: mean to.
- 7:27Speaker 2: Well, I always say, because I thought it was pronounced promise,
- 7:30Speaker 2: and you told me it wasn't. And so now, still,
- 7:33Speaker 2: I won't use that word in public because I'm going
- 7:35Speaker 2: to accidentally say promise.
- 7:36Speaker 4: You'll be like, oh, you're British.
- 7:38Speaker 2: Yes. Vitamins and aluminium. All right, go on. I just
- 7:43Speaker 2: had to say that's how it reads in my head.
- 7:48Speaker 4: Well, Susie Sharp Newsome was the niece and namesake of
- 7:53Speaker 4: Chief Justice Susie Sharp. the first female Chief Justice of
- 7:58Speaker 4: the North Carolina Supreme Court. Her father, Bob Newsom, was
- 8:03Speaker 4: an executive at Reynolds Tobacco, and her mother, Florence, was
- 8:07Speaker 4: deeply respected across Winston-Salem. I gave these people a lot
- 8:12Speaker 4: of money myself.
- 8:14Speaker 2: Oh, the cigarette people?
- 8:15Speaker 4: Yes.
- 8:16Speaker 2: This guy got on the elevator today. He was, like,
- 8:20Speaker 2: working on the building or whatever, and he smelt very
- 8:24Speaker 2: strongly of cigarettes.
- 8:26Speaker 4: Or whatever just went to a smoke right.
- 8:28Speaker 2: Yeah and all i was thinking when i was sitting
- 8:31Speaker 2: there i was like man that smells like how stew
- 8:34Speaker 2: used to smell yeah stew was a disgusting smoker at
- 8:38Speaker 2: one point in his life okay.
- 8:40Speaker 4: Hey we might have other people that smoke.
- 8:42Speaker 2: With okay well we're you need to quit okay i'll
- 8:44Speaker 2: keep drinking you quit smoking.
- 8:46Speaker 4: Though jesus Susie grew up with every privilege that you
- 8:51Speaker 4: could possibly imagine for such a family. Private schooling, country clubs,
- 8:57Speaker 4: and debutante balls.
- 8:58Speaker 2: Debutantes.
- 8:59Speaker 4: Debutantes. She was suave and debonier.
- 9:02Speaker 2: Yes, with the permise of it all.
- 9:05Speaker 4: Caviar and Corvus air.
- 9:06Speaker 3: Cabassier. All right.
- 9:08Speaker 4: In 1972, Susie married.
- 9:11Speaker 2: Tom Lynch, a young dentist. They had two sons, John,
- 9:18Speaker 2: born in 1974, and Jim, born in 1976. Could we
- 9:22Speaker 2: be any more boring with these names? Susie, Tom, John,
- 9:26Speaker 2: and Jim.
- 9:27Speaker 4: Generic Americana.
- 9:29Speaker 2: But behind the closed doors of their upscale home, the
- 9:32Speaker 2: marriage deteriorated quickly. Susie was erratic, intensely jealous, and prone
- 9:37Speaker 2: to extreme emotional outbursts.
- 9:39Speaker 4: So she's a woman.
- 9:40Speaker 3: Stuart, shut up!
- 9:42Speaker 2: What is wrong with you? Although I can say that
- 9:46Speaker 2: I do.
- 9:47Speaker 4: Relate to three of the four.
- 9:48Speaker 2: Relate to a couple of those. While Tom struggled to
- 9:52Speaker 2: manage her growing paranoia. The couple ended up moving to Albuquerque,
- 9:57Speaker 2: New Mexico Tom wanted to get away from their families because,
- 10:02Speaker 2: like I said, they were a very Southern aristocratic family,
- 10:05Speaker 2: very prominent out there. And Albuquerque, New Mexico was an
- 10:09Speaker 2: up-and-coming town, and so he could easily start his own
- 10:13Speaker 2: dental practice. However, Susie hated New Mexico more. And she
- 10:19Speaker 2: got fed up with it, and around 1981, they separated,
- 10:22Speaker 2: and she headed back to North Carolina with her family.
- 10:26Speaker 4: The custody agreement became Susie's obsession. She viewed any contact
- 10:31Speaker 4: between her sons and their fathers as a direct assault
- 10:34Speaker 4: on her authority. So she started brainwashing the young boys,
- 10:38Speaker 4: coaching them to tell social workers and judges that their
- 10:41Speaker 4: father was abusive, that he neglected them, and that they
- 10:44Speaker 4: feared for their lives whenever they were sent to New Mexico.
- 10:48Speaker 4: Every court hearing became a battlefield of affidavits, emergency injunctions,
- 10:53Speaker 4: and false accusations.
- 10:57Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, this is a classic tactic by some parents
- 11:03Speaker 2: in divorce proceedings is to turn the children against the
- 11:06Speaker 2: other parent.
- 11:07Speaker 4: Or if they're both after it, they're both trying.
- 11:11Speaker 2: To do it. Yeah. Then in 1982 entered the man
- 11:13Speaker 2: who would turn this custody dispute into a bloodbath, Frederick
- 11:17Speaker 2: Fritz Klinner. Oh, Frederick Flitz Klinner. I got going on
- 11:23Speaker 2: another sentence there. Fritz was Susie's first cousin, the son
- 11:26Speaker 2: of Dr. Fred Klinner Sr., a famous Reidsville physician known
- 11:31Speaker 2: for controversial high-dose vitamin C therapies. He was ahead of
- 11:35Speaker 2: his time using emergencies.
- 11:37Speaker 4: I've heard of these people. They bring in almost a
- 11:41Speaker 4: toxic dose of vitamin C.
- 11:43Speaker 3: Oh, really?
- 11:43Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like they believe that you overload the body
- 11:46Speaker 4: with vitamin C, it'll cure whatever the hell you eat.
- 11:49Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 11:50Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 11:51Speaker 2: So Fritz was 31 years old. He lived in a
- 11:54Speaker 2: complete fantasy world. He wore combat fatigues, collected military assault rifles,
- 12:00Speaker 2: and drove around Greensboro in a dark Chevy Blazer outfitted
- 12:05Speaker 2: with police scanners and hidden compartments. He was living a
- 12:10Speaker 2: fantastical lifestyle where he was apparently... G.I.
- 12:14Speaker 4: Joe. Just living off the grid with a bunch of money.
- 12:17Speaker 4: On the grid.
- 12:18Speaker 2: In the middle.
- 12:19Speaker 4: Of town.
- 12:20Speaker 2: Yes, in the middle of town.
- 12:22Speaker 4: Fritz told everyone in town that he was a licensed
- 12:24Speaker 4: medical doctor who had attended medical school at Duke. He
- 12:28Speaker 4: claimed he was secretly recruited by the CIA. God, I
- 12:31Speaker 4: can't talk either. CIA and the Covert Operations Division of
- 12:36Speaker 4: the United States government.
- 12:37Speaker 3: Wow.
- 12:39Speaker 4: In reality.
- 12:39Speaker 2: You know, you're not supposed to say those things, Stu.
- 12:41Speaker 4: No.
- 12:41Speaker 2: If you're a part of those things.
- 12:42Speaker 4: No. That's how you kind of know. In reality, Fritz
- 12:46Speaker 4: had never even graduated from college, let alone medical school.
- 12:50Speaker 4: He worked out of his father's medical office in Reidsville
- 12:52Speaker 4: as a fake doctor, writing illegal prescriptions and treating patients
- 12:57Speaker 4: under his father's name. Just for funsies. So he was
- 12:59Speaker 4: a medical doctor.
- 13:00Speaker 2: Just for funsies.
- 13:02Speaker 4: He could write scripts.
- 13:04Speaker 2: So when Susie moved to Greensboro, I'd like to go
- 13:07Speaker 2: to Greensboro. That's where that, I always watch that show,
- 13:10Speaker 2: My Big Fat Fabulous Life. That's where she's. She lived— I
- 13:14Speaker 2: don't really watch as much now because it's kind of
- 13:15Speaker 2: gone downhill, but I like the town. I like the town.
- 13:24Speaker 2: It looks pretty. Anyways, there's also some— where was that other place?
- 13:31Speaker 2: I can't remember. There's some mountains or something up there.
- 13:33Speaker 3: Boone.
- 13:34Speaker 2: Boone, North Carolina. Boone?
- 13:37Speaker 4: Don't know.
- 13:37Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 13:39Speaker 2: Someone knows. When Susie moved to Greenboro, she turned to
- 13:42Speaker 2: her cousin Fritz for protection against what she claimed was
- 13:46Speaker 2: an impending kidnapping plot by Tom Lynch. Very quickly, their
- 13:50Speaker 2: relationship crossed the line from cousins to an intense, secret,
- 13:54Speaker 2: romantic affair kissing cousins, too.
- 13:57Speaker 4: Stop it. Were they first cousins?
- 13:58Speaker 3: Yes.
- 13:59Speaker 2: Oh.
- 14:00Speaker 3: Yes.
- 14:03Speaker 2: It's funny because I listen to that one podcast, the
- 14:06Speaker 2: Sister Wives podcast or whatever. And they cover other reality shows,
- 14:10Speaker 2: and they were covering My Big Fat Gypsy American Wedding
- 14:14Speaker 2: or whatever. And they marry their cousins a lot in
- 14:17Speaker 2: the gypsy thing. So there actually was some first cousins
- 14:21Speaker 2: getting married. But the gypsies or that show at the time,
- 14:25Speaker 2: they're like, but gay people? No. And we're like, bitch.
- 14:29Speaker 4: You just married your cousin.
- 14:31Speaker 2: Incest is okay, but gays?
- 14:35Speaker 4: Your uncle's? Your uncle's? I mean, that could be your
- 14:40Speaker 4: mom's brother's kid.
- 14:42Speaker 2: Yes, the first cousin.
- 14:43Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 14:45Speaker 2: Yes, it is your uncle's kid. It's your cousin.
- 14:49Speaker 4: Yes.
- 14:49Speaker 2: Yes, and they're like, but they're like, oh, yeah, not,
- 14:53Speaker 2: but gay marriage is, that's a gay relationship. That's disgusting.
- 14:56Speaker 2: It's like, you have incest. Like, did I say intense
- 14:59Speaker 2: or incest?
- 15:00Speaker 4: I don't know what you said.
- 15:01Speaker 2: I don't listen to you half the time. Anyways, so yeah,
- 15:04Speaker 2: so they're in this romantic affair. Fritz and... fed Susie's paranoia,
- 15:08Speaker 2: convincing her that Tom Lynch was backed by shadowy government
- 15:12Speaker 2: operatives who wanted to steal her boys. Fritz told Susie
- 15:15Speaker 2: that the only way to save John and Jim was
- 15:20Speaker 2: to eliminate everyone standing in her way. So it's like
- 15:23Speaker 2: two crazies got together, you know?
- 15:26Speaker 4: And now they're one big ball of crazy.
- 15:27Speaker 2: One big ball of crazy. Everyone's like, yeah, that's exactly what.
- 15:30Speaker 3: Everybody's trying to do.
- 15:31Speaker 4: And then the aliens are going to come.
- 15:33Speaker 2: And that squirrel's talking to me over there. That squirrel's
- 15:37Speaker 2: making gestures at me.
- 15:38Speaker 4: He was in the CIA with me. By the summer
- 15:42Speaker 4: of 1984, the custody dispute reached a crisis point. A
- 15:46Speaker 4: North Carolina judge warned Susie that if she continued to
- 15:49Speaker 4: withhold the children from their scheduled visitation with Tom, she
- 15:53Speaker 4: would be held in contempt and custody would be stripped
- 15:56Speaker 4: from her entirely. Tom had financial backing. His mother, Dolores Lynch,
- 16:01Speaker 4: was a wealthy 68-year-old widow, and his sister, Janie Lynch,
- 16:06Speaker 4: was a 39-year-old executive. They lived in an exclusive estate
- 16:11Speaker 4: in Kentucky, in Prospect, Kentucky, right side of Louisville, and
- 16:16Speaker 4: they were financing Tom's legal team.
- 16:19Speaker 2: Yes, so he has money.
- 16:21Speaker 4: He's got his dentist money, but that ain't going to
- 16:23Speaker 4: go far whenever you start paying attorneys.
- 16:25Speaker 2: Yeah, and, you know, everybody has money in this situation.
- 16:29Speaker 4: You know, it's... Just throwing money at these attorneys.
- 16:33Speaker 2: A bunch of people throwing money, and... I don't know why.
- 16:36Speaker 2: I feel like he should have maybe stayed in North
- 16:39Speaker 2: Carolina near the children, though, you know.
- 16:41Speaker 4: But Susie was crazy.
- 16:43Speaker 2: Yeah, she was crazy. And like.
- 16:46Speaker 4: Susie probably drove by his house every five minutes. This
- 16:50Speaker 4: is true. If he still lived in Greensboro.
- 16:51Speaker 2: He's like, I got to get all the way across
- 16:53Speaker 2: the country. Sorry, kids.
- 16:54Speaker 3: Peace out.
- 16:55Speaker 4: You're stuck with that bitch.
- 16:56Speaker 2: On Stuart.
- 16:58Speaker 3: What?
- 16:58Speaker 2: Don't say that. I mean, she is. But don't say that. Okay,
- 17:03Speaker 2: on Sunday morning, July 22nd, 1984, Dolores Lynch drove home
- 17:07Speaker 2: from church to her prospect estate. As she pulled her
- 17:10Speaker 2: car into the garage and stepped toward the breezeway carrying
- 17:14Speaker 2: her Bible and purse, an assassin stepped out, Stu, of
- 17:19Speaker 2: the shadows.
- 17:20Speaker 4: I guess she was rich enough to have an assassin. Yes.
- 17:23Speaker 4: I would just be murdered.
- 17:24Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, if you're poor, you're crazy, but if you're rich,
- 17:28Speaker 2: you're eccentric. So, like, Old Fritz, he was just eccentric.
- 17:33Speaker 2: He wasn't crazy.
- 17:35Speaker 4: And he was an assassin, not a murderer.
- 17:37Speaker 2: Yes, the killer shot Dolores in the face with a
- 17:39Speaker 2: 9mm pistol.
- 17:41Speaker 3: Ouch.
- 17:42Speaker 4: Inside the house, her daughter Janie heard the gunshot and
- 17:45Speaker 4: ran toward the kitchen door. The killer met her in
- 17:48Speaker 4: the hallway, firing multiple rounds into her chest and head.
- 17:52Speaker 2: Is a 9mm, is that big?
- 17:56Speaker 4: Yes, that's the one that I carry.
- 17:59Speaker 2: Okay, well, no, I'm asking that because I know there's the,
- 18:02Speaker 2: I guess it's the.
- 18:03Speaker 4: 22.
- 18:04Speaker 2: They say if you shoot somebody, there's a good chance
- 18:06Speaker 2: you're not actually going to kill them. No, you're just
- 18:08Speaker 2: going to make them mad. But a 9mm, you're going to.
- 18:10Speaker 4: Yeah, it's cruel if you kill somebody with a. 22
- 18:14Speaker 4: if you don't hit them right the first time because
- 18:16Speaker 4: you just got to keep shooting them. Or they're going
- 18:18Speaker 4: to get mad, take that gun away from you, and
- 18:20Speaker 4: beat you to death with it.
- 18:21Speaker 2: And have a better luck than the bullets. Yes.
- 18:24Speaker 4: Both women died instantly. When family and friends discovered the
- 18:27Speaker 4: bodies two days later, nothing in the house was stolen. Purses,
- 18:31Speaker 4: expensive jewelry, and cash were sitting in plain view. It
- 18:35Speaker 4: was a cold, calculated, military-style double execution.
- 18:40Speaker 2: Kentucky State Police initially suspected Tom Lynch, believing he might
- 18:44Speaker 2: have killed his mother and sister for an inheritance. But
- 18:48Speaker 2: Tom was 2,000 miles away in New Mexico, surrounded by
- 18:51Speaker 2: dozens of witnesses. When detectives asked Tom who would want
- 18:55Speaker 2: his family dead, Tom told them, without hesitation, look at
- 18:59Speaker 2: that crazy bitch ex-wife of mine, Susie, and look at
- 19:04Speaker 2: her crazy cousin fucker, Fritz. I shouldn't have said that.
- 19:09Speaker 4: Cousin fucker?
- 19:09Speaker 2: No.
- 19:10Speaker 4: Well, they were.
- 19:11Speaker 2: This is not sitting, sipping, and bullshitting.
- 19:14Speaker 4: And you're not even drinking, so you don't even have
- 19:16Speaker 4: an excuse.
- 19:17Speaker 2: I don't have an excuse. I'm high on hot chocolate.
- 19:21Speaker 4: Detectives contacted police in Greensboro, North Carolina, asking them to
- 19:25Speaker 4: interview Fritz and Susie, but Fritz was a cunning fella.
- 19:29Speaker 4: When detectives stopped by his Greensboro apartment, Fritz calmly showed
- 19:33Speaker 4: them a fake CIA credential. Maintained that he had spent
- 19:38Speaker 4: the entire weekend working on patients at his father's clinic
- 19:41Speaker 4: in reedsville with.
- 19:42Speaker 2: His fake i just can see him like you know
- 19:46Speaker 2: like like some crazy person that thinks they're a cop
- 19:50Speaker 2: and they hold up like a sheriff's.
- 19:52Speaker 4: Badge like a toy one.
- 19:54Speaker 2: Yes he's got his his like fake stethoscope sir i was.
- 19:59Speaker 3: In surgery all week all week well old fritz dismissed
- 20:04Speaker 3: the inquiry as a as a ridiculous attempt to smear
- 20:08Speaker 3: him by tom lynch because kentucky investigators had no physical
- 20:13Speaker 3: evidence or ballistics match the investigation stalled out i mean
- 20:18Speaker 3: you're in kentucky they're in north carolina they're in north
- 20:23Speaker 3: carolina what you're gonna do.
- 20:25Speaker 2: Yeah i guess whenever um This is a double southern
- 20:31Speaker 2: state situation. We have a North Carolina crossover.
- 20:34Speaker 4: We have jurisdictional issues.
- 20:36Speaker 3: Yes.
- 20:37Speaker 2: With Tom's mother and sister dead, Susie believed the custody
- 20:41Speaker 2: fight was over because she's like, well, he ain't got
- 20:43Speaker 2: no money. Well, that money has to go somewhere. Jesus.
- 20:47Speaker 4: The inheritance money.
- 20:48Speaker 2: But Tom didn't back down. He pressed forward in court.
- 20:51Speaker 2: And in early 1985, the ultimate betrayal occurred within Susie's
- 20:55Speaker 2: own family. Susie's father, Bob Newsome, never trust a Bob,
- 21:00Speaker 2: and her mother, Florence, had grown sick and tired of
- 21:03Speaker 2: Susie's lies. They loved their grandsons, John and Jim, and
- 21:06Speaker 2: they knew Tom was a good father. So they're like,
- 21:09Speaker 2: we can't even get behind you. You got your cousin
- 21:13Speaker 2: over there.
- 21:13Speaker 3: You're diddling.
- 21:14Speaker 4: We got a cousin.
- 21:17Speaker 2: I said diddling this time, Stu. And you're crazy. You
- 21:22Speaker 2: guys are riding around in his Chevy Blazer with his
- 21:25Speaker 2: secret compartments.
- 21:27Speaker 4: Telling people you're in the CIA? Yes. In April of 1985,
- 21:33Speaker 4: Bob Newsom met privately with Tom's attorneys. Bob told them
- 21:36Speaker 4: that he could no longer support his daughter's fabrications. He
- 21:39Speaker 4: agreed to take the witness stand at the upcoming custody
- 21:42Speaker 4: hearing and testify under oath that Susie was mentally unstable,
- 21:47Speaker 4: that she was living in an inappropriate relationship with her
- 21:50Speaker 4: first cousin Fritz, and that custody of the two boys
- 21:53Speaker 4: should be granted to Tom Lynch.
- 21:56Speaker 2: To Susie and Fritz, Bob's decision was high treason.
- 22:01Speaker 4: You think?
- 22:02Speaker 2: Yeah. On Saturday evening, May 18, 1985, Bob and Florence
- 22:06Speaker 2: were visiting Bob's 84-year-old mother, Hattie Newsome, at her home
- 22:11Speaker 2: on Valley Road in Winston, Salem. Around 9 o'clock that night,
- 22:16Speaker 2: someone knocked on the back door.
- 22:19Speaker 4: Bob Newsome went to open the door. likely recognizing whoever
- 22:23Speaker 4: was standing outside. The killer shot Bob through the doorway,
- 22:27Speaker 4: hitting him twice in the chest. Florence Newsome, hearing the shot,
- 22:31Speaker 4: screamed and tried to run toward the telephone, but the
- 22:34Speaker 4: killer pursued her into the dining room, shooting her dead.
- 22:37Speaker 4: The gunman then walked down the hallway to the bedroom
- 22:40Speaker 4: where the elderly, frail Hattie Newsome was sitting and shot
- 22:44Speaker 4: her point-blank in the head.
- 22:46Speaker 2: And there was no reason to go and do that,
- 22:48Speaker 2: that she didn't see anything. She's down in the... That's
- 22:52Speaker 2: just cold. Just like the Kentucky crime scene 10 months earlier,
- 22:57Speaker 2: the house was left completely undisturbed. Purses were left untouched,
- 23:01Speaker 2: silver sets were sitting in cabinets, and no drawers were ransacked.
- 23:05Speaker 2: It was a merciless triple execution designed to eliminate the
- 23:09Speaker 2: one witness whose testimony would have cost Susie custody of
- 23:13Speaker 2: her boys because there ain't no way you're getting to
- 23:15Speaker 2: keep custody if your own family... Comes in and says,
- 23:20Speaker 2: you should not have these children.
- 23:21Speaker 4: You're mentally unstable.
- 23:22Speaker 2: Yes.
- 23:24Speaker 4: When Winston-Salem detectives discovered the bodies of three Newsom family members,
- 23:28Speaker 4: alarms blared across the law enforcement agencies in North Carolina
- 23:34Speaker 4: and Kentucky. Detective Bryant Willett of the Winston-Salem Police Department
- 23:39Speaker 4: and SBI agent Walker Stone.
- 23:42Speaker 2: What a great name.
- 23:43Speaker 4: Right?
- 23:43Speaker 2: Walker Stone. Stone Walker.
- 23:47Speaker 4: Agent Stone.
- 23:50Speaker 2: I got some stones for you.
- 23:51Speaker 4: Okay, that's enough. Calm down. Agent Walker Stone immediately connected
- 23:58Speaker 4: the dots between the Kentucky slayings of Tom's mother and
- 24:01Speaker 4: sister and the North Carolina executions of Susie's parents and grandmother.
- 24:07Speaker 2: Detectives placed Susie and Fritz under 24-hour mobile surveillance in Greensboro.
- 24:19Speaker 2: At the same time, investigators got their first major forensic breakthrough.
- 24:23Speaker 2: They uncovered that Fritz had recruited an impressionable 20-year-old college
- 24:28Speaker 2: student from Guilford College named Ian Perkins. Ian was fascinated
- 24:33Speaker 2: by Fritz's claim of being a CIA operative. Yeah, you
- 24:36Speaker 2: got to get a younger one. He's like, oh, my God,
- 24:39Speaker 2: you're so cool. Look at the car.
- 24:41Speaker 4: Look at the fatigues.
- 24:44Speaker 2: You got your cousin to sleep with you.
- 24:46Speaker 4: You're so awesome. I want to bang my cousin, too.
- 24:50Speaker 2: And Fritz had convinced Ian that they were running covert
- 24:53Speaker 2: missions for the federal government. There's just.
- 24:57Speaker 2: There's just gullible people everywhere, you know?
- 25:00Speaker 4: Yes, there are. That's how I got you to marry me.
- 25:03Speaker 2: Oh, gosh. On June 1... So you finally admit it.
- 25:06Speaker 4: That you're gullible. That you're the reacher. What?
- 25:09Speaker 2: Yes.
- 25:11Speaker 4: You're the reacher.
- 25:12Speaker 3: Oh, please.
- 25:14Speaker 4: I settled for somebody that's gullible.
- 25:16Speaker 3: No.
- 25:22Speaker 2: Uh, what is wrong with you?
- 25:24Speaker 4: Nothing. On June 1, 1985, detectives intercepted Ian Perkins. During
- 25:29Speaker 4: an intense interrogation, Ian broke down. He admitted to police
- 25:33Speaker 4: that on the night of May 18, the night the
- 25:35Speaker 4: Newsoms were murdered, he had driven Fritz in a green
- 25:39Speaker 4: Chevy Blazer to the vicinity of Valley Road in Winston-Salem.
- 25:43Speaker 4: Ian told police that Fritz had left the vehicle carrying
- 25:45Speaker 4: a suppressed firearm, walked into the dark neighborhood, and returned
- 25:49Speaker 4: 15 minutes later. smelling of gun smoke, calmly instructing Ian
- 25:54Speaker 4: to just drive away.
- 25:56Speaker 5: I can just see him just getting in the car,
- 25:58Speaker 5: just staring for it the whole time, going, just drive, Ian.
- 26:01Speaker 4: Drive, Ian. The kids just drive. The mission's over.
- 26:05Speaker 2: Mission's complete. Detectives were stunned. They now had an eyewitness
- 26:09Speaker 2: placing Fritz at the scene of the murders. On Monday morning,
- 26:13Speaker 2: June 3rd, 1985, the State Bureau of Investigation, like we said,
- 26:18Speaker 2: the SBI, obtained the arrest warrants for Fritz for three
- 26:24Speaker 2: counts of first-degree murder. A joint task force consisting of
- 26:29Speaker 2: Winston-Salem Police, that's hard to say, Winston-Salem Police, Greensboro Police,
- 26:36Speaker 2: FBI agents, and Guilford County Sheriff Deputies, because old Guilford College,
- 26:42Speaker 2: mobilized to take Fritz and Susie into custody.
- 26:45Speaker 4: Yeah, I can just about imagine. You gotta be ready
- 26:47Speaker 4: for this guy.
- 26:49Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, Waco style.
- 26:51Speaker 4: He might have himself a little arsenal sitting there at
- 26:53Speaker 4: the house. I ain't coming out, coppa. Around two o'clock
- 26:58Speaker 4: in the afternoon on Monday, June 3rd, officers took up
- 27:02Speaker 4: positions around Friendly Hills apartment complex in Greensboro. Friendly Hills apartment. Yeah,
- 27:08Speaker 4: this guy lived in an apartment too. His family had
- 27:12Speaker 4: all the money and dad was a doctor and he
- 27:15Speaker 4: was like, I'm a doctor. I'm a medical graduate living
- 27:22Speaker 4: in my apartment here in Friendly Hills.
- 27:24Speaker 2: How do you know? It might have been a nice apartment.
- 27:26Speaker 4: It could have been a luxury apartment.
- 27:27Speaker 2: Maybe he didn't want to have to deal with mowing
- 27:29Speaker 2: the lawn or fixing the air conditioner.
- 27:32Speaker 4: Or changing his air conditioner.
- 27:33Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure his dad was paying his way and
- 27:35Speaker 2: he's probably like, that's all you're getting.
- 27:37Speaker 4: Get out of my house. Get in this apartment.
- 27:38Speaker 2: Here's this apartment.
- 27:40Speaker 4: Beside the point. Anyway, so they surround the apartment complex
- 27:44Speaker 4: because Fritz and Susie were staying there. But Fritz was
- 27:47Speaker 4: heavily armed and monitoring the local police frequencies.
- 27:50Speaker 2: Of course he was.
- 27:51Speaker 4: He had the police scanner. Before tactical teams could block
- 27:55Speaker 4: the exit, Fritz, Susie, and Susie's two young sons, John
- 27:59Speaker 4: and Jim, ran out of the apartment, piled in the
- 28:02Speaker 4: Fritz's Chevy Blazer, and sped out of the parking lot.
- 28:06Speaker 2: Yes, and their children were young, like 9 and 10
- 28:10Speaker 2: years old.
- 28:11Speaker 4: So this is quite a traumatic event.
- 28:17Speaker 2: Officers in unmarked and marked cruisers gave immediate chase. As
- 28:20Speaker 2: the blazer turned north toward Highway 220, Fritz pulled a
- 28:24Speaker 2: machine gun from the center console, stuck the barrel out
- 28:27Speaker 2: of the driver's window, and just began just spraying bullets
- 28:32Speaker 2: all over there with the pursuing police cars. So bullets
- 28:36Speaker 2: are ricocheting off windshields, just everywhere, disabling, he disabled several
- 28:41Speaker 2: of the cruisers, he wounded a bunch of the officers.
- 28:43Speaker 2: I mean, he is a madman on a mission.
- 28:47Speaker 4: Yeah, a suicide mission, it sounds like. Fritz swerved into
- 28:52Speaker 4: Highway 150 near Summerfield, driving at high speeds while continuing
- 28:56Speaker 4: to fire bursts from his machine gun. I guess he
- 28:59Speaker 4: had a fully auto weapon. The chase lasted for 15
- 29:04Speaker 4: terrifying minutes. Then at approximately 3.10 p.m., about a mile
- 29:08Speaker 4: east of US-220, if you know where that's at, The
- 29:12Speaker 4: Chevy Blazer suddenly slowed down.
- 29:13Speaker 3: You never know.
- 29:14Speaker 2: Sometimes we say the exact place and someone's like, hey,
- 29:16Speaker 2: I was just there.
- 29:17Speaker 4: I remember that. I was there. I saw it. I
- 29:19Speaker 4: had to pull over as they rolled by.
- 29:22Speaker 2: Witnesses and pursuing officers saw a sudden blinding flash of
- 29:25Speaker 2: white light from inside the cabin, followed by a deafening
- 29:29Speaker 2: explosion that shook the ground for miles. Fritz had rigged
- 29:33Speaker 2: the interior of the Blazer with plastic explosives, dynamite, and grenades.
- 29:39Speaker 2: The blast lasted obliterated the roof, blew the doors off
- 29:42Speaker 2: their hinges, and scattered debris and weapons across pastures and
- 29:46Speaker 2: tree branches hundreds of feet away. Because, I mean, remember,
- 29:49Speaker 2: there are two small children in this.
- 29:53Speaker 4: Vehicle. Yeah, this is just crazy, but this guy actually...
- 29:58Speaker 4: rigged his vehicle to blow up, and then he actually
- 30:01Speaker 4: went through with it. When emergency teams approached the smoking
- 30:05Speaker 4: wreckage in the ditch, the devastation was total. Susie Newsome's
- 30:09Speaker 4: body had been blown entirely out of the vehicle into
- 30:13Speaker 4: a nearby culvert. Fritz was found on the roadway fatally
- 30:16Speaker 4: injured and died within minutes from massive internal hemorrhaging.
- 30:21Speaker 2: Now, the real tragic part of this is inside the
- 30:24Speaker 2: charred frame of the back seat were the bodies of
- 30:26Speaker 2: 10-year-old John and 9-year-old Jim. But the most horrifying discovery
- 30:30Speaker 2: of this entire saga came days later from the state
- 30:34Speaker 2: medical examiner's autopsy. The coroner determined that the two boys
- 30:38Speaker 2: had not died from the blast. Before the vehicle was
- 30:41Speaker 2: ever exploded, both little boys had been administered lethal doses
- 30:45Speaker 2: of cyanide, and both had been shot execution-style in the
- 30:49Speaker 2: head at point-blank range. Gunshot residue tests indicated that it
- 30:54Speaker 2: was their own mother, Susie, who pulled the trigger on
- 30:57Speaker 2: her sons before the bomb went off.
- 31:00Speaker 4: In total, nine lives were taken. Dolores and Janie Lynch
- 31:03Speaker 4: in Kentucky, Bob, Florence, and Hattie Newsome in Winston-Salem, and
- 31:08Speaker 4: finally John, Jim, Susie, and Fritz on the Highway 150
- 31:13Speaker 4: in North Carolina. A bitter custody battle began in a
- 31:17Speaker 4: family courtroom. Ended in an act of absolute family annihilation.
- 31:22Speaker 2: Yeah, and then, I mean, Tom's the only one, he's
- 31:26Speaker 2: going to have to live with all this. I mean, everybody's,
- 31:29Speaker 2: everyone he knew is dead.
- 31:31Speaker 4: Pretty much.
- 31:32Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, and if you, this is a book that
- 31:34Speaker 2: was in, it's available on Kindle Unlimited. It's called Bitter Blood.
- 31:38Speaker 2: That's where we got most of our information from. So
- 31:42Speaker 2: if you want to check it out and learn more
- 31:45Speaker 2: about the story, because it is, it's absolutely insane. It's
- 31:47Speaker 2: freaking insane.
- 31:49Speaker 4: Yes.
- 31:50Speaker 2: All right, let's try to bring it back down to
- 31:54Speaker 2: something silly, Stu, okay?
- 31:56Speaker 4: It was a little heavy.
- 31:57Speaker 2: It was a little heavy there at the end, guys, okay?
- 31:59Speaker 4: Losing the nine and the ten-year-old, yes.
- 32:00Speaker 2: Yes, it was a very heavy episode, Stu.
- 32:03Speaker 4: Yes, it was there toward the end, yes.
- 32:06Speaker 3: Yes.
- 32:07Speaker 4: I can't even... Poor kids, they had to go through
- 32:09Speaker 4: this whole thing with Susie this whole time, the custody fight,
- 32:12Speaker 4: and then she just, no happy ending.
- 32:15Speaker 2: All right. Do you have a y'all need Jesus horse
- 32:18Speaker 2: to bring us out of this? I do.
- 32:20Speaker 3: Okay.
- 32:21Speaker 4: We're going to go to the New York Post. Burglar
- 32:24Speaker 4: dressed in a cow onesie steals vapes from a smoke shop.
- 32:30Speaker 4: Florida or not Florida?
- 32:32Speaker 2: Florida.
- 32:33Speaker 3: Florida.
- 32:36Speaker 4: Coming to us from the New York Post by David DeTurris,
- 32:39Speaker 4: published August 25th, 2026. And let me tell you something.
- 32:46Speaker 4: David's got jokes. Utterly despicable. A Tennessee thief was caught
- 32:53Speaker 4: on camera sporting a ridiculous cow onesie when he and
- 32:56Speaker 4: an accomplice broke into a smoke shop and stole a
- 33:00Speaker 4: handful of vapes, according to photos released by police. The
- 33:03Speaker 4: bovine burglar, was first spotted trying to handle the handle
- 33:09Speaker 4: of a door to the vape store in Smyrna with
- 33:11Speaker 4: another masked person around 2 a.m. August 9th, police officers say.
- 33:17Speaker 4: The Longhorn larcenist was seen decked out in the goofy
- 33:21Speaker 4: disguise during the casing while their partner in crime opted
- 33:26Speaker 4: for a much more low-key all-black getup. Exactly a week later,
- 33:31Speaker 4: The pilfering livestock returned to the vape shop with two
- 33:34Speaker 4: other compatriots around 1 a.m. Cops said that the crew
- 33:38Speaker 4: made their way into the store and then ran off
- 33:41Speaker 4: with multiple vape products. The trio, including the cowman, are
- 33:45Speaker 4: still on the lam. The Smyrna Police Department said... So,
- 33:51Speaker 4: he hasn't been caught yet. As of yet.
- 33:55Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
- 33:56Speaker 4: The livestock bandit is on the lam.
- 34:00Speaker 2: Oh.
- 34:02Speaker 4: The cow onesie thief is running free.
- 34:04Speaker 3: I can't remember.
- 34:04Speaker 2: Did you say that was Florida or not Florida?
- 34:06Speaker 4: What were you doing over there?
- 34:08Speaker 2: I was looking something up.
- 34:10Speaker 3: What?
- 34:10Speaker 4: Was it Florida or not Florida?
- 34:12Speaker 2: Oh, Tennessee.
- 34:13Speaker 3: Okay.
- 34:15Speaker 4: Sorry.
- 34:15Speaker 2: I sometimes get distracted.
- 34:17Speaker 5: It's late, Stuart.
- 34:17Speaker 2: What do you want from me?
- 34:18Speaker 3: Okay.
- 34:18Speaker 4: It's only 11 o'clock.
- 34:19Speaker 3: Okay.
- 34:20Speaker 2: I gotta get to bed. All right. Well, do you
- 34:23Speaker 2: have anything else for us, Stuart?
- 34:25Speaker 4: I do not.
- 34:27Speaker 3: All right.
- 34:28Speaker 2: Well, don't forget to rate, review, subscribe. Make sure to
- 34:34Speaker 2: join us on Patreon for our Friday episode. We've been
- 34:39Speaker 2: recording it on Friday, so it goes out late Friday.
- 34:42Speaker 2: Because it's hard to record it too far ahead of time.
- 34:48Speaker 2: Especially if we have libations. Is that how you call it?
- 34:51Speaker 4: That's what you would call it.
- 34:53Speaker 2: Yes, I can't be doing that on a school night,
- 34:55Speaker 2: you know. Anyways, so join us there. And then I
- 35:02Speaker 2: think that's it. So, I'm getting tired. I can't remember.
- 35:08Speaker 2: All right. Anything else, Stu?
- 35:10Speaker 1: No.
- 35:11Speaker 2: All right. Well, stay safe. Lock your doors and keep
- 35:13Speaker 2: that porch light on.
- 35:14Speaker 4: Bye, everyone.
- 35:15Speaker 2: Say bye, Stu.
- 35:16Speaker 4: Bye, Stu. Don't you know it's bad luck.
- 35:21Speaker 1: To be superstitious?
- 35:24Speaker 4: But nothing else is working and my head is really hurting.
- 35:32Speaker 1: I'm sick of all this worrying about things I can't control.