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She shot too far!? Her biggest buck yet! · The Bow Disciples Podcast

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  We are back on for another podcast.
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  We had a couple of weeks off, 2 weeks off I believe, but we're
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  back. How's it feel to be back, mic in
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  hand, sort of speak? Ah, good, good good.
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  Mostly I'm just looking around and thinking of all the cleaning
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  and moving that I need to do as this room gets redone this week.
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  Is this most likely the last podcast with this look?
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  Yes, yes, it is. Yeah, babe, Abby will no longer
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  be able to sit on the couch with us when we pod because this
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  couch is going to move to the living room and and we're going
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  to have some chairs, which by the way, we're going to pick up
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  at 7 PMI. Will not be going.
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  You will because you have to help me carry them.
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  They're very light. I have.
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  Tasks. You never know if they're light.
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  Those might be heavy bases. 7's an awful time to schedule
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  something. Well, they picked so.
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  Where's it at? I have no idea yet.
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  Well, you might want to check because you've done that before
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  and then they're in Riverside and we're not going to
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  Riverside. I think these are nearby.
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  It says one mile. Well, good.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  So anyways, yeah. Well, you know, we're going to
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  have some swivel chairs that are kind of cool little modern, and
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  then I'm going to pick up. They're kind of similar to these
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  in a way, but nothing like them. The side chairs are tables where
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  we'll each have our own, but they're meant for you to like be
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  laptop stands and they have a cup holder on them.
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  They're from IKEA and I'm thinking those for like, so if
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  we do need a laptop to check things or whatnot, we can.
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  What's my budget going to be on all this stuff?
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  I think I can keep it under 5 hundo.
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  That's not bad. Yeah.
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  Lately you've been blowing money like Jeff Bezos.
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  No, I have not been. Yes.
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  No, yes. No.
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  Anyways, yeah, so in the wallpaper arrives tonight
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  between 4:45 and 7:45 S Tomorrow starts my my task of moving this
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  couch out and starting to scrub down all the walls or move
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  everything so I can start hanging the wallpaper really
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  darken up the room and then, you know, we'll move the chairs in
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  and coffee table will be gone. Hang some more panelling on the
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  other wall. So we have three different walls
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  to film from and some decorations for this wall.
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  There's some really cool ones that I want that I have picked
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  out. Don't you worry, you know, kind
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  of like give like old school cigar library vibes, but in a,
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  you know, in a cool way. And yeah.
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  So hopefully I can finish that before next week when we need to
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  film another pod and and you all get to see the the room
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  completed for the most part. And then I think we're going to
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  now it would, the more I'm seeing this, I think the the
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  Arrow station would fit in here against that wall.
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  But I don't, I don't know that I'll move it in.
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  I'll wait till we have this couch out there.
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  And the other couch, you know, has been removed by somebody to
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  see. I think, you know, maybe we'll
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  keep it out there, though I do prefer to keep everything in
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  here. But yeah, got a new new kind of
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  tool table, I guess you could say to do some, some arrow
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  builds on going to take that up ourselves so we can mod saw.
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  Yeah, it's going to get mounted to the table and and got a paper
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  tuner. We've got a got to hang up
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  somewhere over the rainbow. I don't know where.
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  That's kind of why I wanted the frame, so we don't have to like
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  hang it from anywhere and then like set a bag up and all that.
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  We just prop it up on the frame. But yeah, lots of things to, you
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  know, live in condo, life's difficult.
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  You really got to like get in your IKEA brain and learn how to
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  organize. And it's coming a long ways to
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  to be able to run a business and a household out of out of 900
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  square feet. But it's moving along and I
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  think this room will look great when it's done, as will the
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  Arrow station and and still be able to have, you know, your
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  office in here to work from so. Well, after that riveting
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  segment, yeah, I'm sure the audience was on the edge of
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  their. Yeah, they love design.
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  Yeah, and your energy was just bursting.
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  Well, you kind of asked at a very inopportune time to do a
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  pod. It's kind of like nap time.
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  I just had to clean a bunch of nasty stuff out of your your
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  rental. I don't miss those days of
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  cleaning rentals and yeah, so I'm kind of in like break mind
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  mode, right? Now I feel like there's so many
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  tasks. There are a lot of tasks.
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  Yeah, with my rental being vacant for the first time in a
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  couple of years, so get that, hopefully rent it out again
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  within the next month would be nice.
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  And then as far as you know, my schedule goes, don't I don't
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  have anything travel wise coming up or even video wise.
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  I have nothing. So I need to come up with some
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  ideas. I mean, I have two videos to
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  edit, but then after that, which will cover me for a couple of
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  weeks. But you know, I would like to
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  get some new ideas to fresh stuff to film.
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  And unfortunately I struck out on the draws this year.
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  So don't really have any hunting other than local stuff.
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  I do, I do want to do you know, I, I pitched the idea to you for
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  some local hunting and I do want to do that.
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  I think that would be fun. So maybe we could do that, do a
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  couple other things. And then you obviously, I didn't
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  think we'll do some filming in New Jersey, you know, which may
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  come out with a video as well. So that'll be good.
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  And then you have some ideas with your arrow stuff, which I
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  imagine we'll probably do after New Jersey.
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  I don't I'm not sure what your plan is.
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  And then but you know, it'd be nice to get some some fresh
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  stuff going and and bows will be dropping soon, new bows.
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  So like, that'll be some stuff and and everything, but yeah,
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  for now, just getting caught up on, you know, kind of life stuff
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  after a bit of a whirlwind of a year getting back on the pod and
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  yeah, it's been fun. Contract season is coming up, so
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  renewing some contracts and signing some new ones and things
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  like that. It's never ending, right?
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  Yeah, yeah, kind of a, you know, interesting that it feels like a
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  little low period, even though it's for most people, it's smack
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  dab in the middle of the start of hunting season.
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  Yeah, but when you're in the West, it's like the time is a
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  little different. Yeah.
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  I mean, ours started, you know, the last week of August and
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  we've been going for July. Yeah.
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  And you know, we did that for like 10 days or whatever in
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  July. I don't remember how long.
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  We were up there for quite a while and then had a little like
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  2 1/2 week break and then have been gone for the last like 35
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  days hunting. Across 2 states.
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  And we did get a. You got a deer.
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  Congratulations. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Three by three meal deer.
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  You're a beautiful buck. Yeah, trying to preserve his
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  velvet right now as best we can. Yeah, smell, it'll be, it'll be
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  nice. But yeah.
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  He definitely has to remain in the freezer for quite some time.
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  He's a beauty. So that was pretty exciting and
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  didn't take you too long. You know, it was cool that you
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  and Garrett actually ended up shooting a deer in the same day
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  recovering I'm. One in the morning, 1:00 in the
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  afternoon. Yeah, and you know, it was just
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  it was a good hunt. I think we we had at one point
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  or another, we had five different hunters in camp and
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  the first part and we only filled 2 tags.
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  I do feel like we should have probably filled more than that,
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  but we we filled 2 tags which was great.
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  You and Garrett. Garrett was, I mean as efficient
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  as it gets. Pops in for one afternoon.
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  In in reality, yeah all 5 hunters should have failed.
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  Every hunter had a shot. Had.
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  It's not multiple. And some like that I would call
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  layup. Oh yeah, shock.
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  Yeah, sure. But I thought the hunt was a lot
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  of fun. I mean, it was kind of a new
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  area for us and we had the Kawasaki Ridge side by side,
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  which was having the Crew Cab was key and we had this standard
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  as well. Shout out to Kawasaki.
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  Maybe they could be the sponsor of the segment.
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  Really cool that they pitched us that rig for a month and 1/2.
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  It really helped. And here's the thing, if you're
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  thinking about getting a Kawasaki side by side, the
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  single cab I think is perfect. If you're mostly, and when I say
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  mostly, probably 80% of the time or more hunting by yourself or
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  with only one other person, I would get the standard Ridge.
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  It turns better, it stores better, it's smaller, turns
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  sharper. But if you're hunting fairly
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  often with more than two people so like 2 to 4, definitely get
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  the Crew Cab. Yeah, For the price difference
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  in the two, it is to be being that.
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  Oh yeah, about 9:00 or so. You know which just say that
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  lightly if you know, I get that's not lightly, but
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  likelihood is, is that you're financing your vehicle anyways.
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  You're side by side. So I mean, if you can splurge
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  for the larger one, if it's a necessity for you that you hunt
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  with more than two people, more than you and another person,
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  often it's, it's it's again, it's so much more worth it.
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  It's because we are all the time at minimum, usually the three of
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  us and and three people just wedged and, and I'm a small
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  female. If you hunt with three dudes,
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  like no, ain't no way you're putting a dude in the middle
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  with all three of your bows. Well, and, and another thing
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  too, I really like. So I guess there's a couple
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  versions of the Crew Cab. The one we had was the XR, which
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  has that center console in the middle.
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  That was very nice for for the camera.
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  Storage. But anyway, I don't want to
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  stick on that too long. But anyway, just if you're going
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  to try one, that would be my suggestion.
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  Single cab if you're mostly one to two people and if you're two
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  to four, I would, I would go the bigger one.
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  But both are great. So that was fun.
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  I don't know. I mean, that was your biggest
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  buck, You know, what was, what was that moment like to put your
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  hands on his horns and, and get to take a look at him and.
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  Well, I mean you'll this will obviously likely come out before
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  the. This will be out before the
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  video video. This will be out Wednesday.
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  That video. Should be out Sunday so you.
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  Know if I finish it? Wait a few more days and then
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  you'll see the video come out of that hunt of garrets and I's
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  bucks. But, you know, from the moment
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  I'll start from the the jumping out of the vehicle like it was
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  just one of those ones where he was just far enough away and it
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  lined up to be just in the right spot to where, you know, I was
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  able to use trees to get, you know, close some distance.
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  And I probably closed 30 yards from, you know, leaving the rig
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  to, you know, to where I ended up shooting.
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  And, you know, I, I, I almost wish that I had seen that spikes
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  so that I could have like maneuvered a little differently
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  and tried to close a little more distance.
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  Because had he turned to like just feet up, I could have
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  closed another tree depending on what the the spike was doing.
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  But I had zero clue that that spike was there.
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  Yeah. I was so zoned in on watching
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  him and it was going so smoothly.
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  I mean, I was moving up in distance and closing the
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  distance and he was just feeding parallel to me.
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  And I was able to then like step out from the tree and draw and
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  kind of, you know, angle myself. And then then it just kind of
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  became a cluster. And I will definitely say the
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  distance that I got in the penetration that I got, I am
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  more than happy with. It's what I've been working
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  towards building a setup for unfortunately, but fortunately I
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  got to change that up now to for a different same brand,
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  different type of arrow. But I, I'm sure with some
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  experimenting we can get to that same, you know, penetration
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  level and whatnot. Very happy with that.
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  Unfortunately just you know, shooting 50 ish pounds and that
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  distance 80 yards this far and it's a lot of time for my arrow
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  to get there and it's a lot of time to allow the animal to
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  react. I think it's probably two or
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  three seconds, which for a year is you know could be the
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  difference in there and gone. Yeah, I mean, you're probably
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  going to get cooked for saying the distance usually like you
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  won't say the distance as far. As I mean you're going to get
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  8000 comments from people who ask what was the distance
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  anyways. So it's like there's no point in
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  in hiding it. I think it's good lessons
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  learned, but. You think that's you want to
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  shoot? Me.
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  What I'm clarifying is that that is is too.
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  Far, So what do you think is a good distance for you to shoot
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  60 and less? Somewhere probably between 60
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  and 65 is going to be a very effective range, I think for the
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  speed of my my bow right now. You know, if they're they're
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  calm and unalert or maybe not facing me like looking another
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  direction, calm, feeding, bedded, you have it whatever.
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  Maybe you could poke 70. I just don't think that's wise
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  until, you know, maybe I'm pulling another 5 lbs or
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  something. So you can, every little bit of
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  that helps speed up the bow, which helps get the arrow there
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  faster and you know, which allows for a more effective shot
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  because you know, it doesn't matter if the placement would
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  have been perfect. You know, if you knew that it
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  was perfect, that animal can do exactly what happened.
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  And I won't give away in this so you can go watch the video, but
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  you know, things went sideways fast.
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  And luckily, upon recovering him, it was very evident that he
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  did a crash landing and died upon his run to where he died
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  at. You know, he didn't he, we
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  didn't find him bedded up. We didn't find him in a, a
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  bedded position. It was very evident he crashed
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  over that log and died and, you know, extremely lethal.
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  Now what I say to choose to take that shot.
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  We talked about this a lot on the trip to purposefully take
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  that shot. It's so tricky.
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  And and you debated this like, because people will say like
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  that's so immoral. Do we have do we have some
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  important news or. No, I'm just getting some straps
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  dropped at the OR some native release straps.
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  So if you guys want native release straps or mirror archery
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  straps, quick little side piece, both of which I'm getting a big
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  restock today. So any color, any size for the
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  natives will be available on boatcycles.com.
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  So anyway, yeah, quick. Update We we debated this whole
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  like, you know, as people call it the the Texas heart shot as a
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  purposeful shot verse a frontal and people always will harp
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  like, you know, how immoral or, you know, terrible it is to to
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  take a Texas harsh shot. Not that I took that on purpose.
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  No, obviously not. Yeah, and you'll see in the
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  video it's very evident that I did not but but and we're like,
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  well, I mean both are extremely lethal when placed correctly.
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  But here's I think the issue with a Texas harsh shot and we
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  discussed this on the trip, is that one is a shorter distance
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  from penetration to vitals. And so one, bleeding can occur
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  more likely if placed correctly and you don't hit the shoulder
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  or you know, the chest bone or anything, any, anything that's
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  going to inhibit you. So you're going to have a better
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  blood trail. And two, you're going to reach
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  vitals a lot faster, so potentially put them down a lot
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  quicker. On a frontal.
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  On a frontal, whereas the Texas heart shot though extremely
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  lethal, say you don't get great penetration, it's lethal that
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  animals just going to take forever to die and it's going to
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  be very painful for them. They're going to get very sick
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  and and secondly, your blood trail, it's going to be next to
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  nothing potentially unless maybe you cut some femoral in there,
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  you get a good angle or something happens, you get
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  lucky. Likelihood is your blood trails
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  going to be but though, I mean, you're going straight into
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  stomach and intestines before you even potentially enter a
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  vitals cavity. If you do, if you get good
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  penetration, in which case like mine did, he died very quickly
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  because we got all the way up there.
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  But what if you don't? That's the risk you run with
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  purposefully taking a Texas heart shot is like you're just
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  lessening your chances of recovery.
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  You're you're. Yeah, I mean.
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  You're also lengthening your recovery process because they
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  got to get sick first. I mean, look, here's the deal.
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  I don't know anyone who shoots for a Texas heart shot
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  intentionally. People will shoot for frontals
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  intentionally occasionally. But my, my point is, I think
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  it's interesting that one is fully not maybe not fully
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  accepted, but largely accepted in, in the community as being
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  like, oh, that's fine to take being a frontal.
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  But meanwhile, if you were to say, oh, I purposely did a Texas
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  heart shot, I had a friggin deer at 25 yards and I shot a Texas
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  heart shot, you'll get killed for that.
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  Right. And I'm not saying I've, I've
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  never done a Texas heart shot intentionally.
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  Maybe I have on a follow up shot, but never on an additional
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  shot or initial shot. But when I think about it in my
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  head, it seems sort of stupid that if I were to frontal
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  something at 25 yards and he didn't jump the string and I
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  just hit him right in the front of the chest, people would say
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  it was a great shot. But if I did the exact same
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  thing but he's just turned around same distance, I probably
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  would get killed for that. Why?
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  What I just explained is why I think is why.
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  Well, and I also think it's just like societal norms, which I
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  think are there for a reason, but I think it's there are times
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  where you need to sort of rethink things.
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  You know, like I've, I've heard many arguments over the years
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  that made me like shift my thoughts like I used to be, you
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  know, I still love close shots. That's my thing in archery.
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  I love shooting stuff like between 10 and 40 yards.
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  I love getting close. That's what I like.
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  However, you know, if the opportunity arises, I'm really
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  comfortable and something's at 75 yards, I don't have a problem
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  shooting something further. Now it was in the past, I
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  wouldn't have, but I heard a guy make a argument one time that I
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  thought was pretty interesting. He was like saying how OK
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  hunters are predators, right? And there's of course, we always
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  want to make the best, fastest MO ethical, clean kill.
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  And that's what we strive to do. It's why we practice here
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  around. We try to take shots that we're
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  comfortable with and things of that nature.
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  But he made a good point where he said like, look, a Mountain
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  Lion or a bear, they don't have 100% kill rate.
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  Like, you know what? I'm like they jump on deer all
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  the time that they don't kill. Like, you know, they farm a shot
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  or hit him in the top of the back, which I'm not saying is
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  what you want to do. I'm just saying it's an
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  interesting point of view that like not all predators are
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  perfect. Every time you want to get as
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  close to 100 as possible, but it's not possible to be 100% / a
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  long period of time. Eventually you're going to have
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  something happen, a mechanical, a miss, a string jump, you name
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  it, something will happen. Hit a twig, there's all sorts of
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  things, wind. I just think it's interesting to
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  think about it and, and that is why practicing with your bow
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  year around is so important. And that's what the channels
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  always been about is just shooting year round.
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  I think that's the best way to get your percentage as close to
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  100 as possible and, and, and, and shoot hard stuff.
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  So that way when you get, you know, easier shots, they're even
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  easier. That's kind of been my
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  philosophy, you know. So your shot was it towards the
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  edge of your limits? Yeah, I would say it was.
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  And you know, you learn from that went, you know what?
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  I've learned that that's a bit too much for me.
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  That's fine. You got to at some point you got
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  to, you know, learn what your threshold is.
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  Yeah. Now what I did learn is that as
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  you know, at the the speed that my bow is now in the poundage
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  that I pull, you know, penetration is not a problem.
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  It's just speed to allow my arrow to get there faster.
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  So the more I can work towards and I'm like we've said a
• 23:48
  million times, my arms ain't going to grow any longer.
• 23:51
  Like, you know, that is what it is.
• 23:54
  I'm never going to be able to change that.
• 23:56
  So the only thing I can do is to continue to to grow, to move up
• 24:01
  the poundage and eventually an 80 yard shot would not be a
• 24:05
  problem to where, you know, my bow is fast enough that I don't
• 24:11
  have to worry about the time it takes my arrow to get there and
• 24:13
  not animals movement now is there.
• 24:15
  I mean, likewise, we'll flip the switch and Ted who has a 30 1/2
• 24:20
  inch draw and you know, was pulling 60 lbs to be ready for
• 24:26
  his elk hunt after the deer hunt shot at a deer at 14 yards and
• 24:35
  playing that video back in slow motion, that thing even as close
• 24:40
  as 14 yards dropped that string or jumped it didn't really jump.
• 24:46
  I guess you could say he. It's still called.
• 24:48
  Jumping, But it's not really jumping because he dropped
• 24:51
  ducked the string faster than a bolt of lightning like it was
• 24:58
  crazy. I mean, his shot was was, you
• 25:01
  know, it was a pinwheel and by the time they got travelled 14
• 25:04
  yards, it was over the deer by a couple of inches, you know, and
• 25:09
  you could see it in the video that there.
• 25:11
  Was you could easily do one of those ones where you place when
• 25:13
  you see the arrow in frame and you where it's, you know,
• 25:17
  heading toward, you could place a dot and then watch that animal
• 25:23
  go below it. So like, it's not to say it
• 25:29
  can't happen even with a fast bow, you know?
• 25:32
  Like they are just faster. The animal is freaking fast for
• 25:39
  sure. I mean, but like I said, I mean
• 25:41
  not everything can be solved 100%.
• 25:45
  You can do certain things to. Try to mitigate the main the
• 25:48
  amount of times it can't happen. Right.
• 25:50
  The main thing to me with shooting distance, for me it
• 25:56
  always comes down to shooting skill.
• 25:57
  That really should determine your effective range.
• 26:00
  For me, the best way to just define your effective range is
• 26:04
  the paper plate test in my opinion.
• 26:07
  What range can you hit? Let's say 10 to 12 inch paper
• 26:12
  plate depending on the species 9 out of 10 times and then
• 26:16
  whatever yardage that number drops to 8 or 7 or 6.
• 26:20
  Then you shouldn't shoot that far hunting.
• 26:22
  I even think that's like a a nice fun video, you know, like,
• 26:27
  yeah, you know, especially because Morley has, you know,
• 26:31
  targets at every 10 yards. So like we could start at the 20
• 26:33
  yard mark and just do a challenge, like who's, you know,
• 26:37
  who's effective range. Yeah.
• 26:38
  That'd be fun. I would love to do it.
• 26:40
  It'd. Be funny to go out and do it
• 26:41
  with like a few people all at once.
• 26:44
  Just put like 4 plates up at once.
• 26:45
  Do a knockout challenge and see who has the furthest distance.
• 26:50
  But yeah, I mean, I also too, if you think about it, this is sort
• 26:57
  of the argument against Javieros is like, you know, usually if
• 27:01
  someone hits an animal poorly or misses, it's because the animal
• 27:04
  reacted prior to the arrow get in there, which a heavy arrows
• 27:08
  just going to make take it longer to get to the target.
• 27:11
  So really, if you think about it, if you can't, if we can't
• 27:14
  increase our draw lengths, which we can't unless this new Carter
• 27:19
  gets you another half inch, which is possible, but assuming
• 27:23
  that your draw length is fixed, which for the most part it is,
• 27:29
  the only way you're going to pick up speed is draw weight.
• 27:34
  Maybe System X strings have been said they gain somewhere between
• 27:38
  2:00 to 5:00 feet a second sometimes.
• 27:42
  An arrow. Weight, arrow weight.
• 27:44
  That's it. So you're you could go lighter
• 27:47
  on your arrow. I see.
• 27:48
  And I think I went and to quote me on this, I'd have to watch
• 27:53
  the video where we did the penetration test, but I'm almost
• 27:55
  certain we went with an arrow weight that was around 375.
• 28:00
  Now I think, I don't say, I think I feel I would only be
• 28:07
  comfortable dropping that to about 3:50 and which is, you
• 28:16
  know, I'm only saving. 25 grains.
• 28:20
  I would. Be switching from a 125 tip.
• 28:23
  To 100 tip, so you don't have to change anything and you know the
• 28:27
  arrow per SE. Now I think that would be fine.
• 28:36
  Obviously that affects your penetration a little bit, but I
• 28:41
  would be interested again, another video, a comparison
• 28:45
  video. It's a bit of an experimental
• 28:47
  video. If you just as simple as
• 28:49
  changing the tip that now someone did comment on this when
• 28:53
  we did the video with the Ballistics gel like that.
• 28:56
  That's not like, you know, similar to to animal or
• 29:00
  whatever. It doesn't matter.
• 29:02
  I'm not saying that the arrow has to pass through the
• 29:05
  ballistic gel for me to get a pass through on an animal.
• 29:08
  That's not what we're saying. The only reason you use the
• 29:11
  Ballistics gel is just to determine.
• 29:15
  Which one penetrates? The most, yeah, exactly.
• 29:18
  That's not saying, Kay, I got 8 inches of penetration on this
• 29:21
  Ballistics gel. So I'm only going to get 8
• 29:23
  inches of penetration on an animal. 8 inches.
• 29:26
  Yeah, is you get what I'm saying?
• 29:30
  So to clarify that like nobody's saying Ballistics gel is the
• 29:34
  same as animal, you know, density or whatever, internals
• 29:39
  and skin, yadda, yadda, yadda. But what you could do is just
• 29:44
  simply take the same exact arrow and shoot once they're
• 29:48
  Ballistics with the 125 and once they're the Ballistics with the
• 29:52
  100. So again, you can see the
• 29:54
  difference in penetration that you'll get there as well as you
• 30:00
  would have to shoot with a garment or something at like a
• 30:04
  couple different distances and test the speed difference with
• 30:12
  125 grain broadhead and 100 grain broadhead.
• 30:16
  Now you could just use 100 for the speed test.
• 30:19
  You could just use tips, 100 grain tip versus 125 grain tip.
• 30:24
  But that would be very interesting to see because if
• 30:27
  the idea is that we can pick up more speed by changing our arrow
• 30:31
  weight than one, let's see how much speed you truly gain.
• 30:37
  So if I were to take a 70 yard shot, what's the difference in
• 30:42
  the speed by reducing only 25 grains?
• 30:46
  How many seconds does it truly take to hit the bag, and what's
• 30:50
  the speed that the Garmin shows between the two?
• 30:54
  And then is it worth that speed based on the penetration loss
• 31:00
  that you'll have? That would be a quick, nice
• 31:03
  little test to do. Now, I think one other thought
• 31:08
  could be that, you know, maybe instead of maybe you say, OK,
• 31:14
  I'm not taking any shots past 40.
• 31:17
  And then you just try to improve hunting skills to get closer
• 31:21
  more often. That's another way to skin the
• 31:24
  cat. For sure, for sure.
• 31:27
  Now granted what I did in that, which is very evident in the
• 31:30
  video, I was not spot in stock per SE, you know?
• 31:34
  Like it wasn't necessarily Rd. hunting sure, but it wasn't like
• 31:42
  2 hours of trying to get closer and closer and closer like I was
• 31:47
  in some wide open Pines and had to, you know, work with the
• 31:50
  environment I was provided that deer in.
• 31:57
  I do think I will. I'm going to toot my own horn
• 32:01
  here a little bit. I do think when it comes to spot
• 32:05
  and stalking, granted I am much smaller which offers less weight
• 32:13
  hitting the ground. I have smaller feet so they
• 32:16
  don't roll over as much stuff. My boots are not as heavy
• 32:20
  because they're you know, 4 size 5 sizes smaller than most men's
• 32:27
  foot size. So all of that one automatically
• 32:30
  makes me quieter. Now if you just have 0 balance
• 32:34
  then you could still be louder than a £200 man with size 12
• 32:39
  feet. Sure.
• 32:41
  But I do think I also have fairly good balance when it
• 32:43
  comes to being out there. You look like you're zoning out
• 32:47
  here. But ultimately, and I think
• 32:49
  you've agreed with this many of times, I am fairly good at
• 32:55
  closing the distance in a spot in stock.
• 32:58
  I stalked into about 15 yards. When was this?
• 33:04
  This summer when you stayed behind and filmed.
• 33:11
  Those two that spooked off. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:17
  Yeah, that was good. That was good.
• 33:18
  You had a good route. Yeah.
• 33:21
  That's what I'm saying like that's another option is just to
• 33:24
  get close. For sure, but the the the
• 33:26
  environment that was in front of me didn't allow for that there.
• 33:30
  That's the that's the case. Sometimes you can't.
• 33:32
  Always. Correct.
• 33:33
  Sometimes on a stock you can get all the way to 20 yards.
• 33:36
  Other times, the closest best you can do is 71.
• 33:39
  And you run out of cover like there's just nothing more you
• 33:41
  can do. Well, am I cooked or am I just
• 33:43
  going to back out? Am I going to try to shoot or am
• 33:46
  I going to back out? You know, you kind of reach that
• 33:48
  and that's where it's important to know your effective range.
• 33:51
  Yeah, well, and sometimes I think, you know, you'll have
• 33:55
  more luck by just choosing to back out.
• 34:01
  And I know that's a hard pill to swallow sometimes for people,
• 34:05
  it's a hard pill, funny to swallow.
• 34:07
  I've done it probably more times than almost anybody.
• 34:10
  I've had it. But the likelihood is if you
• 34:13
  don't spook them out of there, if the wind goes bad or, or you
• 34:16
  decide you're going to try to close distance when you have no
• 34:19
  cover. You know, you could come back
• 34:22
  the next day and glass that little hillside or, or, or
• 34:25
  finger or Ridge or whatever strip of mountain and most
• 34:30
  likely pick that same buck back up and try again the next
• 34:34
  morning or that next that afternoon or whatever.
• 34:37
  If you spook them out of there, I'm not saying they moved to the
• 34:42
  next county, but for sure you may not find them on that same
• 34:47
  set of ridges or whatever like you might.
• 34:50
  If you're lucky and you find them, you might pick them up two
• 34:53
  miles away. That's not, you know, impossible
• 34:58
  for a deer to do. So sometimes it's just wiser to
• 35:06
  back back out. Often times, yeah, I do that
• 35:10
  often. Almost probably more than
• 35:14
  anybody. Sure, I do it.
• 35:16
  Sure, sure. A wise one, yes, Yeah.
• 35:20
  But so anyways, moving on. Garrett also got one that
• 35:26
  morning. Yes.
• 35:28
  That was great, very exciting. You can watch that in the video.
• 35:32
  Our first time ever hunting with Garrett and got the job done has
• 35:37
  final morning with us, which was great.
• 35:41
  Yeah. Super exciting.
• 35:42
  That was kind of interesting because his buck was with
• 35:44
  another buck that we didn't know at the time and bull elk as
• 35:47
  well. So that was pretty interesting,
• 35:50
  yeah. And then there's Teddy and
• 35:54
  Steve. Yeah, and Cade.
• 35:57
  And Cade, yeah. None of them were able to get it
• 36:00
  done, but had some good opportunities.
• 36:03
  A lot. And you know, overall, I mean,
• 36:07
  it was, it was fun. I liked sort of having a a
• 36:12
  transforming camp. A rotating camp.
• 36:15
  Yeah, that was fun. I'm, you know, getting new
• 36:19
  people in. People would leave more new
• 36:21
  people. It was just kind of this
• 36:23
  rotating, you know, fun, happy loving bunch.
• 36:26
  And I I thought that was a really good time and I enjoyed
• 36:31
  it immensely. Yeah, I would love to do.
• 36:34
  We've talked about this too, like kind of like back in your
• 36:37
  day when you're a little taught and you know, all the, the old
• 36:42
  timers had hunt camp and whatnot, something like that.
• 36:47
  Where like right now, sometimes we do have quite a few people in
• 36:52
  our January hunt with us or rotating in and out or that we
• 36:56
  meet up with or that come out, you know, over the span of the
• 36:59
  couple weeks we're out there. But it always ends up being and
• 37:05
  maybe it's because you know, at the time you have the, the side
• 37:10
  by side, the more you know, versatile rig or whatever the
• 37:16
  case may be that like it always seems to be a a a tough point to
• 37:21
  figure out the day's plan. If I were to have a dream hunt,
• 37:26
  it would kind of be very similar to your Badlands, Oklahoma hunt
• 37:33
  where like there's just a hunt camp and everybody's got their
• 37:36
  own vehicles and their own kind of people that they come out
• 37:39
  with and everybody just disperses for the day.
• 37:43
  And then you come back and, you know, camp life has dinner, you
• 37:49
  know, made for everybody and and you tell stories.
• 37:53
  No it's not. No and and.
• 38:00
  You could be the camp, the camp, the camp lady.
• 38:04
  Maybe after I filled my tag. Yeah, I've.
• 38:08
  Done it before. Yeah, but anyways, you know,
• 38:13
  everybody comes back and has dinner and roast weenies and and
• 38:18
  so I love roast. And weenies.
• 38:20
  Yeah, and and tell their stories and then you go back out.
• 38:24
  Everybody goes out. You could shuffle people if you
• 38:26
  want or, you know, based on who's got tags and film and hunt
• 38:33
  and there's no pressure to who has to be with who and, you
• 38:37
  know, wants to be in the rig. And that would just be fun.
• 38:42
  That would be fun. I it's kind of like leisure
• 38:44
  hunting because you got a vacation camp essentially set
• 38:48
  up, but it's not leisure hunting because you're still, you know,
• 38:52
  out there working hard every day.
• 38:55
  That would be, that would be like a nice Little Dream
• 38:59
  vacation hunt set up. Albie, hello.
• 39:05
  He's so precious. What topic would you like to
• 39:08
  cover next? Well, I'll, we could leave the
• 39:16
  elk hunt for another, another pod.
• 39:19
  We've got lots to catch up on here.
• 39:22
  You don't need that, but you kind of have, like you explained
• 39:27
  in the beginning, a break. I've got about 2:00-ish weeks or
• 39:31
  so, 2 1/2 and then I'll head out to state I've never been to
• 39:35
  before, unfortunately. We really should have planned it
• 39:38
  better knowing that you didn't have anything going on.
• 39:40
  We could have kind of done a little week trip or something
• 39:42
  I'm. OK.
• 39:43
  Yeah, yeah, nice little break, but I'm headed to South Dakota
• 39:48
  to do some pheasant hunting for five days again.
• 39:53
  I feel like that's a really long time to shoot at birds and walk
• 39:55
  around in fields, but I don't know.
• 39:57
  I'm not a bird hunter so it'll be fun to do nonetheless.
• 40:02
  And and then from there, drive 24 hours back from South Dakota
• 40:08
  to New Jersey. Yeah, the whole driving thing.
• 40:11
  So I went over this last night. I did a live with Botox Mr.
• 40:16
  Scotty on TikTok and what I realized.
• 40:20
  Give me my release, Mr. Guys in the comments agreed with me, but
• 40:25
  what I realized is folks that live a little bit more rural
• 40:33
  don't like to fly like hunters have this fear of flying.
• 40:36
  I've realized because it's more common than not where like
• 40:42
  people, someone will go what? Let me just paint a picture.
• 40:44
  They'll live in Georgia and they'll go, Oh yeah, I'm going
• 40:49
  to go on this hunt in, in South in Wisconsin.
• 40:55
  And I go, OK, cool. What you know what time's the
• 40:58
  flight at? And they'll go, Oh, no, I'm, I'm
• 41:00
  driving. And it's like, well, how far is
• 41:03
  that? They're like 30-4 hours.
• 41:05
  And I'm like. But when you think about it, for
• 41:07
  a hunting guy. Specifically then a guy in the
• 41:09
  comments said, yeah, US Midwest folk, you know, we don't fly
• 41:13
  baby. They just and and then a guy
• 41:15
  said it's because the rental, the rental car is a big hang up
• 41:19
  and I agree with that. Well, not just the rental car,
• 41:22
  but, you know, say you're going out now.
• 41:24
  Wisconsin was maybe a bad idea because like or example, maybe
• 41:32
  not. But like if, if you're going
• 41:34
  somewhere where you may be hiking and saddle hunting.
• 41:39
  And so like now, not only do you have a, a boat to fly, but all
• 41:46
  of your saddle equipment, your, your climbing sticks, your say
• 41:53
  you've got trekking poles, your ginormous backpack that
• 41:57
  everybody carries around when for some reason Western hunting
• 42:03
  and you got to fly all of that plus your clothes, plus if
• 42:07
  you've got like scent control stuff.
• 42:09
  And just, I mean, think about how much stuff was in the back
• 42:13
  of our car to go 15 hours now flying, you know, maybe not all
• 42:24
  the camping stuff like the tubs with all the hunting stuff and
• 42:27
  whatnot, flying, all of that and then needing to get a rental
• 42:31
  truck and get the insurance on the rental truck because think
• 42:34
  about how much mud we put on the side by side.
• 42:36
  Yeah, but if we're talking about.
• 42:37
  So let's talk about the South Dakota hunt because it's
• 42:39
  actually coming up, but it's a bird hunt, you know what I'm
• 42:43
  saying? What do you need, like 2 guns, 3
• 42:46
  guns, you know what I'm saying? You just toss them in ATSA case.
• 42:50
  Yeah, you fly down with your clothes for your five days and
• 42:57
  you rent a car that you split between three people.
• 43:03
  Dude I'm pretty sure that would cost less than for again,
• 43:06
  driving 30 hours. Yeah, well, anyways, I'm flying
• 43:10
  into Sioux Falls and they're just going to pick me up for the
• 43:13
  last three hours. But then you.
• 43:14
  But unfortunately I do 20. 4 hours.
• 43:17
  Yeah, yeah. Slap my ass and call me Sally.
• 43:20
  There ain't no way. Hopefully I can sleep for like.
• 43:24
  No way I'm doing 24 hours. Yeah, but.
• 43:28
  And I know you're not going to do tasks like sometimes you say
• 43:31
  you'll do them on the road. You're going to be just playing
• 43:33
  games for 20 hours straight. Yeah, but anyways, so 24 hours
• 43:38
  drive back to New Jersey and then people can't remember.
• 43:42
  People need to fly more. Guys, if you're watching this
• 43:44
  and you're scared of planes, you'll be all right.
• 43:48
  Just take the take the trip. I'm scared of playing.
• 43:51
  I take a lot of flights take. The trip?
• 43:54
  Yeah, do it now. Fly.
• 43:56
  I can't remember if we're hunting whitetail for two or
• 44:00
  three days, but I get pictures pretty much on the daily from
• 44:04
  the the stand that I'm going to be sitting at and I'm quite
• 44:08
  happy with any of them that are coming in.
• 44:10
  So I'll sit there all day. I don't care.
• 44:15
  And then hopefully be able to get some of it, you know,
• 44:19
  shipped in like some dry ice or whatever back so we can have
• 44:22
  some whitetail meat here at the house and whitetail.
• 44:27
  So that's two more hunts for the year for me.
• 44:30
  Then my film project that we won't, you know, won't tell
• 44:33
  people what it is, but my film project, my local film project,
• 44:37
  Yeah, yeah. Which, you know, maybe big
• 44:39
  poppy, maybe it'll be. Maybe it'll be.
• 44:41
  Well, you're not really the scheduler, so unless you get on
• 44:44
  like scheduling and picking out where you'd like to to do this,
• 44:47
  it ain't going to happen before I leave.
• 44:49
  So you better No, it'll be. Get on, it'll be after you get
• 44:52
  back things better later anyways.
• 44:55
  What? Yeah, it'll be after and I have
• 44:56
  no problem shooting a doe. So, you know, we'll just try to
• 45:00
  do something cool. And then I think, while to be
• 45:03
  fair, I think I might be going to Tennessee to whack.
• 45:05
  Some do, some do patrol. Oh yeah, When is that
• 45:08
  potentially happening? November rut time.
• 45:12
  Very nice. Yeah.
• 45:13
  So I'll get a little break too. Yeah.
• 45:16
  And then I might, I might hit downtown Nashville, possibly.
• 45:19
  Yeah, you never been there. No, I haven't.
• 45:21
  Don't worry, I'll be very well behaved.
• 45:23
  Oh yeah, Alby, maybe just you and I when he gets back.
• 45:31
  Yeah. So lots of still some hunting
• 45:35
  coming up for us until till January when?
• 45:38
  I think he needs to go out so you know after this.
• 45:41
  I have to wrap up. Yeah.
• 45:44
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• 45:46
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• 45:50
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• 45:56
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• 45:58
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