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MAMAY 6: My Personal Friend, Richard Kind (w/ Mackenna Goodrich) · Breaking Mayberry

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  Speaker 1: I'm matifat you, mata hat methingc someday into night time,
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  Speaker 1: some of the dreams.
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  Speaker 2: Who do.
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  Speaker 1: I thought you have sid Hello, and welcome to another
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  Speaker 1: episode of Breaking Mayberry. The show that doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: get too political about it. I don't want to like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to make a big thing of this,
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  Speaker 1: right the show that just doesn't want to go there.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have to talk about the show that goes
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  Speaker 1: there all the goddamn time. What are we talking about?
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  Speaker 1: That's all we do. I'm one of your hosts on
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  Speaker 1: Marty Schneider.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just asking questions. I don't I'm not making a point.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just asking questions. I'm just curious. I'm Dan Ludwig.
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  Speaker 1: This is so funny because it's so similar to the
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  Speaker 1: impression of Paul we did at the beginning of last episode,
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  Speaker 1: but now we have actual woman in studio to like
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  Speaker 1: react and get angry our guest today, I'm so excited
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  Speaker 1: for this, McKenna. Mac Goodrich, I'm so excited. Mac. You
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  Speaker 1: are the host of the podcast Informed Attraction, a podcast
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  Speaker 1: about how the media shapes our ideas about bodies and beauty,
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  Speaker 1: but also sometimes a podcast about which muppet you want
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  Speaker 1: to fuck the most?
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  Speaker 3: I would say often more about I feel like my
• 1:57
  Speaker 3: original genesis of this was like why are there so
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  Speaker 3: many sexy rabbits? And then all we've done is like
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  Speaker 3: talk about like is Brian the dog from Family Guy hot?
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  Speaker 3: Which muppets are fuckable? Which McDonald's mascots are sexy? And
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  Speaker 3: it's like I really was, like, it's so weird how
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  Speaker 3: there's so many hot rabbits. And now I'm like the
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  Speaker 3: guy who's making arguments about Spirit the horse on the internet.
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  Speaker 2: You know you've found your wheelhouse.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because it's because my co host Aubrey's a
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  Speaker 3: little freak who thinks the Hamburger Helper glove is sexy.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's always the one that people can't get
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  Speaker 3: on board with.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, just the I think we the problem is just
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  Speaker 2: I feel like whatever you're doing, he would suffocate, like.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, Dan, Dan, Yeah, I'm gonna throw
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  Speaker 1: it out there. Hamburger Helper Guy is not for us.
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  Speaker 1: Hamburger Helper, however, what a character that is just a
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  Speaker 1: giant hand and that is there to help you out right,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just there to make life easy and make
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  Speaker 1: your thing. I can see how that appeals to women,
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  Speaker 1: especially queer women. All fingers in mouth, all fingers in mouth,
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  Speaker 1: that's it. I get it. I get it. And you
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  Speaker 1: know what, maybe maybe if we were a little bit
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  Speaker 1: open minded, we would also get helped by the hamburger helper. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I really want some hamburger helper now, like.
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  Speaker 3: Really, I've never had it.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine. I mean you've had You've had some sort
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  Speaker 1: of ground beef and pasta and sauce together.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. My fun fact is that I have the the
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  Speaker 3: alpha gal syndrome where now I'm allergic to all mammal products.
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  Speaker 3: So now I'm out on the beef.
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  Speaker 1: Did you get bit by a tick.
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  Speaker 3: A lone star tick in college?
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  Speaker 1: Fuck? That's wild? Okay? Uh? Also get a theater director
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  Speaker 1: up producing some theater up in New Hampshire right now,
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  Speaker 1: and a producer of sideshow with Hank Green, which I
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  Speaker 1: think is very cool. So Mac, do you want to
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  Speaker 1: go his up top? Do you want to go ahead
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  Speaker 1: promote informed attraction and anything else? Real quick?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? So, like guys, we do all kinds of stuff,
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  Speaker 3: anything related to like beauty and body image we cover,
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  Speaker 3: but we specifically look at it from a media lens
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  Speaker 3: because I'm a theater director and a video producer, and Aubrey,
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  Speaker 3: my co host, is a developmental psychologist who works in
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  Speaker 3: an eating disorder lab at the University of Louisville, and
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  Speaker 3: so we sort of are the intersection of our two
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  Speaker 3: interests are the media and beauty. So we've been really
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  Speaker 3: serious topics about like why does every woman in Hollywood
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  Speaker 3: look the same right now? And the history of plastic surgery,
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  Speaker 3: to extremely silly stuff, to making Aubrey pick which football
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  Speaker 3: team she's going to be a fan of forever based
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  Speaker 3: on which quarterback she finds the most attractive. To things
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  Speaker 3: that are downright absurd, like is the hamburger? Helper glove?
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  Speaker 3: Fuck the wall, and so there's a little there's something,
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  Speaker 3: there's something for everybody. I often talk too much about
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  Speaker 3: my own life and cry. So if you love hearing
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  Speaker 3: women cry, you might love informed attraction.
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  Speaker 1: I cannot get behind that. I want to be clear.
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  Speaker 2: First time using that pitch.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be clear.
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  Speaker 3: I'm we're still workshopping it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the opinions of our guests are not necessarily representative
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  Speaker 1: of those of breaking.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe looking at two shish men saying do you like
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  Speaker 3: to hear women cry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, if there is anybody listening to our
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  Speaker 2: podcast that specifically likes to hear women cry, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: This, don't know. This is actually not the first time
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  Speaker 1: we've had a female podcast or guest on this show
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  Speaker 1: and made a selling point of how much they cry
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  Speaker 1: on Pike. This has happened more than once.
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  Speaker 3: There's pictures. I don't know. I mean, also, so much
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  Speaker 3: where our podcast has been about recently is like Aubrey
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  Speaker 3: and I are both very fascinated in masculinity, and so
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the episodes you've been doing recently have
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  Speaker 3: been about masculinity and about like the socialization of like
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  Speaker 3: young and teen boys specifically. I think that everyone should
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  Speaker 3: be crying more. I think that we all should be
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  Speaker 3: crying more because I'm like, oh, I cry once a week,
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  Speaker 3: and all my male friends are like I cried last
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  Speaker 3: sophomore year of college after the most devastating moment of
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  Speaker 3: my life, and I was like, one of my child
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  Speaker 3: actors did a good job yesterday, and I was weeping
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  Speaker 3: openly in the audience.
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  Speaker 1: I cry all the time. Yeah, I woke king I
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  Speaker 1: if I think too hard about mister Rogers all cry.
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  Speaker 3: There we go.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I like to hear. I had to break
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  Speaker 2: through a Catholic upbringing at the age of like twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: And then it was like I did it. I cried
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  Speaker 2: and now yeah, like blow yeah, like thirty percent of
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  Speaker 2: movies about relationships to dads boom got me?
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  Speaker 1: Oh dad movies. Dad movies are okay, but dad movies
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  Speaker 1: are designed to make men cry. All right, My Boy
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  Speaker 1: with Adam Sadler. I wrote a review of that years
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  Speaker 1: ago for something Awful, Maybe I had write I had
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  Speaker 1: to review it. Yeah, it's so bad. It's a terrible movie.
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  Speaker 3: It's so awful.
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  Speaker 1: But I was just like movies about dad, it's a
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  Speaker 1: terrible movie.
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  Speaker 2: We thought you were about to tell me that that
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  Speaker 2: movie made you cry?
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  Speaker 3: And oh wow, Yeah, because that was one of the
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  Speaker 3: many movies that Aubrey has tortured me with. We compared it.
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  Speaker 3: We just did a series about like the portrayal of
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  Speaker 3: male victims in.
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  Speaker 1: Media and we gross.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that movie to May December, since they're both
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  Speaker 3: based on the Mary Kayla Turnow case. Yeah, and wow,
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  Speaker 3: I cannot believe that that's My Boy Got made.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a disgusting movie. You know, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to go into it right now. I'm just an
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  Speaker 1: entire episode about this, so listen to that. The last
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  Speaker 1: time I writed was this morning, and it was at
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  Speaker 1: an Instagram video of the guy that makes songs out
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  Speaker 1: of stories that his three year old tells him, and
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  Speaker 1: somebody took the song that he made. So he made
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  Speaker 1: that song out of a story that the three year
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  Speaker 1: old told him, and then somebody took that and animated
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  Speaker 1: it the story of the Little Tall Prince by this
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  Speaker 1: three year old, and I choked. There weren't tears, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a full on sub but like, I was choked
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  Speaker 1: and I had to do that. I yes, crying. Rocks manthartic,
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  Speaker 1: Did you cry watching this Mad About You episode? See
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  Speaker 1: I'm a good host?
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  Speaker 3: Second segue, Yeah so no, but I did feel an
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  Speaker 3: unbridled rage.
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  Speaker 2: That's our wheelhouse, that's where we are.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome, O welcome. That's masculine of you. Yeah, okay, So
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about this. We brought you home
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  Speaker 1: from Mad About You, and I want to bring you
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  Speaker 1: on for this specific episode because it's got some stuff
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  Speaker 1: in it that I've been wanted to talk for a while.
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  Speaker 1: But before that Mac what experienced, if any had you
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  Speaker 1: had with this television program?
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  Speaker 3: Literally zero You put its name in an email and
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  Speaker 3: I went, that's a TV show. I guess that is
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  Speaker 3: Literally I did not know what this show was before
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  Speaker 3: we started speaking.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of feels like a show from an alternate
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  Speaker 2: dimension a little bit right, Like it feels like it's
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  Speaker 2: from Earth too. And it was huge, and it was
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  Speaker 2: like it was on for like eight seasons, so it
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  Speaker 2: was successful. But somehow, yeah, well it doesn't exist.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I texted I was texting a friend about it
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  Speaker 3: today and I was like, it's like, what if Seinfeld
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  Speaker 3: was made by boys? Or what if Will and Grace
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  Speaker 3: is extremely straight? That's that's what I took away from
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  Speaker 3: Matt about you.
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  Speaker 1: That first one is exactly what they were going for,
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  Speaker 1: like definition like.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, well that because it literally feels like it's
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  Speaker 3: like trying Seinfeld but just has nothing Jewish. And because
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  Speaker 3: of that, it also like it's New Yorkiness feels kind
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  Speaker 3: of like fake. Yeah, I don't know, it was weird.
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  Speaker 1: So I told you when we saw this, or when
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  Speaker 1: I assigned this, I was like, yeah, this is an episode.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you'll need to have a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: of background context for and that was a lie. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I think I think I didn't intentionally lie to you.
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  Speaker 1: But I watched the episode again and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I what I said to Mac was I liked that
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  Speaker 1: nice lady.
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: There's there's a lot of lore, but I feel like
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  Speaker 2: you can kind of pick it up, Like I feel
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  Speaker 2: locked into exactly who each of those people at that
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  Speaker 2: dinner table were.
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  Speaker 3: I understand each of them, I undertod their relationships to
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  Speaker 3: each other. They did a really good job in the
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  Speaker 3: episode of like for no reason, like outlying exactly how
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  Speaker 3: all of these people know each other. And I was like,
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  Speaker 3: this is great for me who's never seen this show before.
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  Speaker 3: Weird for the seventeenth episode of a fourth season of
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  Speaker 3: a show to do.
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  Speaker 1: I think you did that a lot at the time
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  Speaker 1: because of syndication, Like it's entirely possible that when the
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  Speaker 1: first time somebody sees this, it's just gonna be on TV.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I think this is a show that works
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  Speaker 1: better if you just catch it when it's on, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and are just introduced like that. Much like Seinfeld, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Like we're on our seventh season, friends time to explain
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  Speaker 2: who Joey is again.
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  Speaker 3: Right time to be like Ross and Monica are related,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, always remind you that they're brother and sister.
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  Speaker 1: So you brought up Seinfeld, and like I said, this
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  Speaker 1: was designed to be a companion piece to Seinfeld. They
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  Speaker 1: specifically looked at something that could come after Seinfeld in
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  Speaker 1: the show.
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  Speaker 3: They were like, some people might find Seinfeld too Jewish.
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  Speaker 1: Or they might find some I think abrasive is the
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  Speaker 1: word that they used. I actually did. I'm so glad
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  Speaker 1: that I that I got to bring this up because
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  Speaker 1: when I was doing research for this mini series, I
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  Speaker 1: found like a college newspaper of like people who had
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  Speaker 1: created It's some stuff you would do in nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 1: two as a gag, like the like Seinfeld Haters Club essentially,
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  Speaker 1: like like if if this had existed in nineteen ninety two,
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  Speaker 1: they would have had a podcast about Seinfeld and how
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: he's abrasive and annoying just just weekly do that. And
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: in that article, one of the members of the club
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  Speaker 1: refers to Mad about You as a nicer alternative.
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's just so funny now thinking about the fact
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: that we watch shows like Succession and I was at
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: the Dragon where literally everyone is a war criminal and
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: it's like Jerry Seinbud was to a brace.
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  Speaker 2: So just just like just bury me in just human cruelty,
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  Speaker 2: like just I just want to stew in like the
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  Speaker 2: dark side of everything right now.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll get into this. We are doing season four,
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  Speaker 1: episode seventeen, The Gloup People originally airs March twenty fourth,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. Written by Victor Levin and directed by
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  Speaker 1: David Steinberg. There's one member of the tribe for you.
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  Speaker 1: Paul and Jamie invite Ira, Iris, Mark and Fran for reconciliation,
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  Speaker 1: but the tables turn on them semi colon directing a
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  Speaker 1: campaign commercial, Paul feels like, let me riefenstall. So all right,
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  Speaker 1: so that is your one sentence summary. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff that happens in this episode, and Mac, let
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  Speaker 1: me tell you. I feel bad for throwing you in
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  Speaker 1: on this episode, but let me explain. Please trust me
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: when I say having context for all this doesn't make
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: it better, if in anything, it makes it worse, because
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: this show ignores its own context. It's own cannon like
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  Speaker 1: god like crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Can I also say absolutely psychotic to have a character
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  Speaker 3: named Ira and a character named Iris. That was deeply
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  Speaker 3: confusing to me because I was like at first when
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  Speaker 3: they were just doing the phone call scene, because I
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: was like, are they saying Ira wrong? Now, No, there's
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  Speaker 3: just a second character named Iris who are in her relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Iris is new this season. She is an ex of
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  Speaker 1: Iris that he has gotten back together with Love that damn.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think Iris lasts too long on this show.
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  Speaker 1: I think she's kind of nothing on it. But let
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  Speaker 1: me give you a little behind the scenes context though
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  Speaker 1: that might make a little sense here. This is season four,
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  Speaker 1: episode seventeen. As far as the Mad About You cast
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  Speaker 1: and crew know, they are done at episode twenty four. Okay,
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: they believe that they are off the air at the
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  Speaker 1: end of this season. NBC has a bright, shiny new
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: toy named Friends that they're putting all the effort and
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  Speaker 1: energy into. Sure, so they have been given like this
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to close out on their own terms, and then
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  Speaker 1: NBC is gonna go, actually, you know what, never mind,
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  Speaker 1: and that's gonna go on for three more seasons. But
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: at this point in this episode, I don't think they
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  Speaker 1: care because they're done. They're on their way out. They've
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  Speaker 1: put in their two weeks notice totally and it kind
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: of shows. It kind of shows. So the episode opens up.
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  Speaker 1: We open up on Paul and Jamie enjoying the Sunday Paper.
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  Speaker 1: They're having a good time. Paul makes a statement that
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  Speaker 1: he's really happy with his serial hit next to his
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  Speaker 1: wife reading the.
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  Speaker 3: Sports immediately jump in yes, yes, actually. The first scene
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  Speaker 3: of this episode I'm actually is when they're making a
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  Speaker 3: joke about what their dermatologist is up to.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was sweet, cold, you.
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  Speaker 3: Really like these people. The cold open set me up
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  Speaker 3: to really like these people. I also thought that Paul
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  Speaker 3: Riser was Fred Armison at first and got very confused
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: about when this show was made. I think my arc
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: in this is realizing that Paul Risers. Finding out that
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Paul is a villain was like, was like my journey
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  Speaker 3: of watching this episode because I was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 3: like this guy. He's making like a fun joke in
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  Speaker 3: support of his wife, like I'm having a great time,
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  Speaker 3: and I seems to one I was like, I hate
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  Speaker 3: this man.
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  Speaker 2: There's a little bit of a dark side to that
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  Speaker 2: that scene because he's like, I don't fucking know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to do this bit with you and She's like,
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  Speaker 2: please be funny and charming. He's like, fine, I'll do
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  Speaker 2: a fun little bit for you if it'll make you happy.
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  Speaker 1: Like Danny's telling me, Are you telling me Dan that
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  Speaker 1: you never ever, like attempt to be charming on demand?
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  Speaker 1: I know for a fact that your wife is sometimes
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  Speaker 1: be like, be a charming monkey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah no, And but I get right to it every
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  Speaker 2: goddamn time.
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  Speaker 3: I fear just all the time, just constantly be charming.
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  Speaker 3: Is it hard?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: No, I just I just do it. It's great, it's easy.
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  Speaker 2: Just be like ready to go with a funny witticism
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  Speaker 2: or something. It's not that makes it a thing. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: always on.
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  Speaker 1: I will tell you when picking episodes for this, one
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  Speaker 1: of the fine points Dan I came up with was like,
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  Speaker 1: most of these episodes are gonna be ones where Paul
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  Speaker 1: is clearly the bad guy. Yeah, because the episodes where
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  Speaker 1: Jamie's the bad guy are not fun. So that's that's
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: where we're at here. But Paul, right now, we love Paul.
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  Speaker 1: He's just he does that scene and he says something
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  Speaker 1: really nice about how happy he is sitting in bed,
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  Speaker 1: eating his special k and reading the sports section of
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  Speaker 1: the paper.
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  Speaker 3: Put why are they dressed like that in bed? She
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  Speaker 3: has a sweater on and he is in a Henley shirt.
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  Speaker 3: They look like they have to lunch, but they are
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: actively laying. And did they get fully dressed and then
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: get back in bed? I have so many questions in.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Such intricate pajama sets. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I just kind of assumed it was a New Yorker thing.
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  Speaker 2: I just thought that you guys are like all the time, No,
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 1: So cold in their apartment, They're huge apartment, massive.
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  Speaker 3: Apartment, wanting them to take off the sheets, and that
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  Speaker 3: they were like in slacks or jeans. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: you guys look like you're about to like go get coffee,
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  Speaker 3: not lay in bed reading the paper.
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  Speaker 1: What you don't know is that they are actually completely
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: donald ducking it under there. This is a sex thing
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: for them. I'm sure he never a sex thing for
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Paul and Jamie.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Actually they can never see each other's bear chest. That
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: would be crazy.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And Jamie immediately says, hey, do you want to try
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: literally anything else? I know you just said that you
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: were super happy with what you're doing, but do you
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: want to do other stuff? Do you want to eat
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: a different cereal? Do you want to read a different
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: section of the paper. Do you want to sit next
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: to a different wife? Nope, not that one. Hey uh,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: and Paul's kind of goes e yeah, fun. Their happiness
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: is interrupted. I also like this really sequence. They get
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: a phone call first from Mark, who is played by
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Richard Kine, who has been a recurring character on and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: off the show for the past four years. He is
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: freaking out because he is trying to get back together
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: with his ex wife fran Yes, Frand and Ira had
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: a on again, off again kind of hooking up situationship
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: earlier this season, and he wants to be sure that
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: that's over and she's not still hung up on Ira.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I wrote when he showed up, I wrote, oh my god,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Richard Kind, that diva. He was one of two actors
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: that I recognized on this show, because there is I
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: think I know who Helen Hunt and Paul Riser are,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: and I know I've seen them in other things. But
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: if you right now told me to draw them or
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: identify them in a lineup, I would not be able
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: to do it. Richard Kind, However, absolutely, I was at
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: an event with recently that he was also at, and
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: my friend wanted to talk to him because when AJ
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: was a teen, Richard saw him in a play and
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: he was nervous to talk to him, but then he
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: did and it was really special. And I also had
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: to email Richard Kind all the time at one of
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: my old jobs, and so whenever he shows him something,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like, my friend Richard Kind, even though that's not
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: true at all, but I'm always like, oh, my personal friend, Richard.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have a lot closer relationship to Richard
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Kind than I do. And I also my personal friend
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: kind of every time I see him, it's something I.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Heard, a familiarity, thank you.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I love that he also just like is basically calling
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: to do gossip with his boy. He's doing boy gossip
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: time yep.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Also, speaking of muppets, I think he looks remarkably like
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Burt from Sesame Street in this.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: A Young Kind.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I think my favorite jokes in the whole episode were
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: in this phone call, with whom I laughed genuinely quite
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: hard at. I'm starting to understand crimes of Passion, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I would consider watching a cut of this show that
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: is just every scene that Richard Kind is in.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Is there anybody who is better at doing just like
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: a low key spiral, like just losing their ship, but
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: really barely like like showing signs of it. He's so
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: fucking good at people that are just having a breakdown
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: but sort of absent mindedly.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Well, I think Paul describes it as like talking to him,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: it's like talking to a neurotic auctioneer and number less
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: relatable and number two it's like, yeah, that is kind
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: of what he's like. They clocked him.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but also that's a little pot calling the kettle
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: black there, Paul Racer. Yeah, Okay, so Mac has inspired me.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I've been saying this entire series that if we get
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: two more patrons on the Patreon that I'm going to
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: make a cut of Alien where I dub Paul's lines
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: over Paul Riser in that movie. And that has gotten
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: zero traction. No one is interested in this. So here's
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: my change. If I can get three new patrons on
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: our patroon dot com plus Breaking Mayberry, I will make
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: a super cut of every Richard Kind moment on this show.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: God, that would be huge for me.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: That is what I will do, and I'll do it,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and I will do it for the patrons, and I
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: will do it from mac. So there you go. That's it,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Patron dot com breaking Mayberry eight dollars a month. You
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: all know this spiel. Back to the show, so we
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: do this big. They love doing the call waiting gag
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: on this.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: One of my favorite gags. Shout out to me girls,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: one of the best to ever do it. I love
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: I love this bit.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I love a good call waiting bit. Ira calls. Ira
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: is having problems with his girlfriend Iris. She will not
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: talk to him. Paul gives the phone over to Helen,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to Jamie, she talks to it. They reassure Mark. They
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: go back. Then Fran calls and is like, I'm upset,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and Mark is upset about Ira. All of this pulmonades
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: in Jamie finally saying I'm gonna have everybody together. We'll
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: do a big dinner, all six of us. She says
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the exact speel. Well, I'll go out together, you, me, Mark, Mark, Ira,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the whole cast. Yeah, that way, Mark will see that
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it's really over between Fran and Ira, and I will
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: get Iris to talk to him, and everybody will be happy,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: except for Paul, who is on the other line in
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the kitchen going no, honey, honey, no, honey, please don't.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't want to. I also think this
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: is funny. I think it's funny when Paul yells to
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: his wife to pick up the phone. Yeah, and he's
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: in the kitchen. Who And I think this whole stick
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: is good. But that's the setup. We've got a large
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: dinner coming to make peace with some people, and we
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: have a setup here that Jamie believes that these people
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: look up to Paul and Jamie socially because they're the
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: least crazy ones. Dan is raising his hand Dan more so.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: One one thing about that is like as opposed to Seinfeld,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: which the problems are like George is sleeping under his
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: desk and hiding from his boss and Kramer is swimming
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: in the Hudson on a regular basis. The wacky premises
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: of this are so much just like normal human bad ideas,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: just a terrible idea that I could have tomorrow, which
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: makes it particularly like skin crawling, as I am also
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: next to him going like, don't do that, don't fucking
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: do that, don't do that. That is a powder keg
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: that you are throwing yourselves in the nab there is nope,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: but like that is also an idea. I could have
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: had it twenty six.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Like, I mean, also though, like turns out though that
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: the other four are not the problem at the dinner,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: So she was wrong, but she was also right, like
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: it was a good idea to get them all in
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: the same room together besides Jamie and Paul.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were healed by pity. Really is just like
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: just just just like shaking their heads sorrowfully. Nothing unites
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: people like that.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jamie and Paul like united to give them all
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a common target.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Yep. And my other, my other t know's what this
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: scene was. Okay, the whole episode. Paul is like harping
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: about like the renaming of streets being a dumb idea.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: And I do think it's very silly that Sixth Avenue
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: in New York is called the Avenue of the America.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Is whenever I'm on sixth Avenue, I'm like, this is
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: so silly. But my more important note on that scene
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: is is Ira drinking milk straight out of the cart?
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: And is he a serial killer in this show? That
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: is serial killer behavior.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to assume that IRA's not doing great right now?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Wait, where are we in relation to got milk?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Now I feel like we're in peak. Those ads are
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: are just hitting.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I would have been so done if there wasn't like
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: a paul In Helen like milk mustache campaign. Hey yeah,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: but he totally is.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Cardboard pint of milk that watching it, watching an adult
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: man drink a pint of milk of whole milk, was
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: really disturbing. And I that is absolutely the twenty twenty
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: six talking but I found it extremely disturbing and maybe
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: be like I don't trust Ira.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Number one, don't trust Ira. The show is pretty clear
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: on don't trust Ira. He's he's the skeasies one. Uh,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: but I believe that that was shorthand in that for
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: this guy's not okay. Her guys doing well right now? Uh?
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: It's so weird how just like drinking a shitload of
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: milk went from like super normal and encouraged and like
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to do it too, Like are you one
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: of the guys from med Mac's Fury Road? Like what
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: are you? That's that's revolting? Get away from me and
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: like back like for like like twenty years it was
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: like and make sure to have your big glass of
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: milk with dinner you fucked up dinner if you are
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: not housing half a gallon of milk.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I do think though, if he had been sitting there
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: drinking a glass of milk, I would have been like, oh,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: it's morning, he's drinking a glass of milk. That like connects.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: But there was just something like I was half starting
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: to pull out a straw and PLoP it down straight
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: into the carton, and I was like, you animal, what
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: are you doing?
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: So this, the thing that happens in this next scene
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: is one of the strangest fucking things I've ever seen
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: on television. I told you Dan that, like, this show
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: eventually starts to take like bizarre contrivances to get Helen
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Hunt in her undergarments, and this is one of them. Yeah.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Paul is at work. He is editing something about Swans,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: a documentary about Swans, and Jamie calls him and tells
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: him to put on the TV where she is attending
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: a important press conference. She's on TV because she's at
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a live press conference where her boss is announcing his
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: intention to run for mayor, and she's on the phone
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: with him with Paul the entire time in camera, and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: at what point she does flash her bra for no reason.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: The implication I think is that she she flashes her
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: breast because she says the first human breast to ever
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: be on live television. So I think the application is
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: that she is not wearing a bra and that she
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: is flashing her breast, which is crazy. And like then
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Paul's old coworker is there, and he's like too horny
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: about it. He's like extremely horny about just like seeing
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: her pre the breast. And then and then Paul is
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: like mad at his horny old man coworker from making
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: a comment about it. But it's like, my man, it's
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: not just your horny old man.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Why him.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: They're operating somehow on the assumption that only he can
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: see this, right, only he is able to like is
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: aware that that side of the screen exists. She's a
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: majority of what is on the tv'sing.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: She's centered in the frame, like nonsensical.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Why are the cameramen for New York one focusing on
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: this group of people not the again, the man who
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: is announcing his candidacy for mayor.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Right, this is like one of the first videos that's
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: get shared on YouTube, like when they when they invent
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: like internet like video formas This is like one of
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: the deep ones that eventually gets buried. Is like lady
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: flashes her bra while well guy is announcing mayoral candidacy, absolutely.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Completely ends the campaign right then and there, right.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Well, there's also this weird implication. Do they
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: think that, like only he can see her breast because
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: once you get married, only your husband can see your breath?
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Is that in the logic they're operating on, is like
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: a magical witch spell happens when you enter into monogamy
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: where you're now the only person who can see your
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: boob is your husband, and your boobs are just like
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: deleted to the rest of the populace. You guys are married,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Can you confirm that for me? Are you the only
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: people who can see your wives breasts?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah? No, she can just like whip them out at
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: a restaurant.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: It's it's kind of just like like a Barbie doll
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah, if you if you try to
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: look at my wife's breasts, she will. That's actually just
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: like a blur. You'll actually see yourself.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: You'll yes, it's being shamed.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: You'll see the way that you're going to die.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna say it's it's kind.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Of like a fucking like Lord of the Rings thing
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: of Like she takes the wedding ring off and suddenly
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: she's visible topless in the restaurant.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Like the second you the second you sign your divorce papers,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: your boobs just flash back into yours.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: They exist in a liminal state prior.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, liminal breast broom back boobs.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Boobs.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy had a nineteen year old boy make
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: the back rooms movie. If we let a thirteen year
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: old boy make a twenty four movie, that's how we
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: get the back boobs.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: They are working on it as we speak. The thirteen
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: year old boys are developing that technomy.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: We used to make real porn parodies in this country,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: It's all I'm saying. We used to have real, real
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: innovation for this. So her boss has announced his candis
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Alan Ruck. Her boss, Alan Ruck, who plays a character
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: on here called Lance Brockwell, he's announced his candidacy for mayor,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: and Jamie comes home, does not announce that she's been
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: immediately fucking fired for that stunt. I gotta say, we
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: gotta keep talking about this. It's so out of having
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: watched a bunch of this, it's really out of character
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: for her to do this, and I think it's partially
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: because they don't care, but also I don't.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: I don't understand. I literally I don't understand, Like it
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: doesn't make it any sense. Why aren't also why aren't
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: all of their friends? Why isn't it the only thing
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: they're talking about? His dinners?
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Did you say your tit on live televisions right.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Next to her wind sheet? Does it.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: This?
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: This?
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Would you said? It would end his campaign? This is
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: an instant Howard Dean's scream. This is pre internet. This
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: is this is like this would be on the news
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: and they would ring this for every single drop of
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: media analysis that they that they could be. She would
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: be like world famous after having done this.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I have to say, because I mentioned friends earlier, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I do feel like, having watched a bunch of Mad
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: About You, both of these characters act a little out
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: of character, like I think Paul in this seems a
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: little bit like Ross and Chandler together, and Jamie seems
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: very Rachel coded. I might be way off on that,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: but like, this isn't too far from how they normally behave,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: but it is enough for me to go, what the fuck?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: What are you guys doing, How would you.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Like describe them in a normal episode if.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: This isn't ten, they're normally at an eight.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, that makes sense.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: So Jamie comes home announces that she's a campaign manager
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: for this uh and it's also wasn't.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Tool because he announces that live on TV.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: And which she's surprised by because she's still flushing.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: She's on the phone with him and she's like, yeah,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm running this campaign now the highlight, this is
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: why I wanted to talk to Mac. This scene comes
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: down to Paul is not sure if he's going to
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: support Brockwell. He doesn't like Brockwell. He doesn't like Brockwell's
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: like campaign to raise the New York City subway tokens
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: by a nickel in or to rename the streets. Yeah,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I also don't think I would support that, But she
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: says it's she says it's to build a school in
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: somewhere on Staten Island. I'm like, I feel like there's
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: a better way to get money for a school.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Notes on this scene, so Avenue the immigrants joke was
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: a big yikes. When he's like, who would ever want
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: to drive down the Avenue of the Immigrants, and I
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: was just like, oh, that was my that was my
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: first big ick. All ye, that's Alan Street, by the
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: way in New York is Avenue of the Immigrants.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: All of these, all of these happened. Sixth Avenue is
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Avenue of the America.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad we finally got in New Yorker on
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: here to help us.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: This is.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: This is crucial context that we've been missing.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: I also hope their dog is so so cute. Their
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: dog is so cute. I hope the dog is in
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: every episode.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: But then yes, then we get into this argument between
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: the two of them, and he is at first like,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I don't do politics. I'm a political And I said, you,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: a man who is politically apathetic is so unattractive. We'd
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: get a divorce lol. But also to be fair to him,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: people do get really pissed off about subway fair increases.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: This year they were increased by ten cents, went from
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: two ninety a ride to three dollars a ride. And
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: the thing that is annoying about them is because the
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: way that it works now, I don't know how it
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: works in the nineties, how it works now is it's
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: ostensibly to go to bettering the subway system. But since
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I have lived in New York, the fares have been
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: increased twice, and I have will be honest, I have
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: seen very little improvement to the system. I also think
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: the system is great, but there are many problems with
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: it as well. But like, people do get really pissed
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: off about subway fair increases, and so like, I do
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: think that that is a bad policy position. But Paul
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: is more wrong in this scene because also my next
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: note is, oh my god, and he's going to vote
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: for Juliani. Divorce divorce horse.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Hold up, Mac, because here's what I want to explain here,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: here's some crucial stuff. We're making this seem Jamie's making
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: it seem like this is a big split, a big divide.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: But they're talking about a primary election. They are. Yeah,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: they're talking about a primary. You can't just walk out
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: say I'm running for mayor. Yeah, So they're talking about primary.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: These people are both Republicans. And and here's the context
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: you're really missing. Lance Brockwell and Jamie worked for Giuliani
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: up until up until literally the previous episode. Mac is
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: now walking away. Mac is not walking away.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Discuss I think she's on the first floor.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: But no, yeah, this is a this is a primary election,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and this is not like a primary in the sense
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: of like Cuomo mumdani. No, this is Giuliani versus a
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: guy that worked for Giuliani up until five minutes ago.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: This is Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. It's just like
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: two yeahs.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: So so Jamie's trying trying to make this seem like
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: his decision to vote for Giuliani is like a wide,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: a huge deal breaker, like there's so much daylight between
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: these two candidates, which, to be fair, is her job
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: as campaign manager. But there ain't there ain't anything.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: I guess I can see it too. It's like, I mean,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know if there's an if you get any context,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: So why they stopped working for Juliani, Like if it was,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: they were like, he's a fascist and.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I don't want to work I literally this afternoon. Watched
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the episode right before this. By the way, the episode
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: right before this ends with Paul and Jamie in Giuliani's
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: office talking to Giuliani or in this case, in this case,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: the back of a chair that is supposed to be Giuliani.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Remember remember Giuliani's appearance and like public perception in nineteen
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: ninety two, nineteen ninety four, nineteen ninety six, it was
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: so different than what we think of it now. Yeah,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: like he was the guy who was cleaning up New
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: York that and no he wasn't. All he was doing
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: was letting the NYPD like stop in frisk whoever wanted
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and taking advantage of the fact that crime was down
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: all over the country. And he got good pr people
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: like Jamie is in this show to play that up.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: But his public perception was soup. It's not post nine
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: to eleven America's mayor yet, but people generally have good
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: vibes about the guy in the nineties. And also, I
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: think that's a wild thing to do, is to have
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: a fictional character on your show run for mayor against
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the real life mayor of me. What do you do
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: if Rudy loses?
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I was so shocked when they said Giuliani because
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, sorry, what I was like,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: this is like a fictitious mayoral race against a real guy.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, yeah, it's crazy. Actual Juliani has been on
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: this show. He has appeared on the show before. It
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: does kind of remind me it was everywhere, Dan, you
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: know more about this, but like in Marvel Comics. Marvel
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Comics used to have a thing that like, this is
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: as close to the real world as it gets. Whoever
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: is the president in the real world is the president
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: of Marvel America. And then about ten years ago I
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: think they were like, we don't want Donald to be
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the president in Marvel world.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna much fun with Obama. He did regular boxing
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: matches with Iron Man where they would talk about the
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: American dream used to be a country.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Spider Man would always show up and be like, you're
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: doing great, Barack Obama, and he'd be like, Spider Man.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Why yeah, not fan fiction? We have so much Harry Styles,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Barack Obama fan fiction. I want to start I got
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: start reading like Barack Obama Spider Man fan fiction.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Well, have I got the story for you? From Marty's
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Comics Corner.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ Comics Corner, Catch you guys in the Funny.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Pages corner walked in Okay, newspaper comic strip Spider Man.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: People who don't remember this, Spider Man used to have
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: a daily comic strip in the in the newspaper. Paul
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: may have been reading it in his newspaper while he
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: was going through that section.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: No, he was reading the sports.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: He was reading the sports section. That's true. That is true.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: But there used to be a Comics daily newspaper strip,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: and because of daily newspaper strip, it had to move
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: very slowly. And this actually one of the last Spider
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Man related media that Stan the Man actually was directly
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: involved in, Like he was directly involved in storylines up
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: until you know, almost cancelation, or until he couldn't do
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: it anymore. So in two thy ten ish, there's a
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: storyline where Peter Parker and Jay Jonah Jamison are in
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Florida for reasons whatever. Of course he's he's away from Manhattan,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: but Peter finds out that he needs to be back
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: to help I don't know, the Fantastic Four or something.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: He needs to get back to New York and Stan
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: is Sam the Man is clearly in those early stages
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: of dementia because some stuff happens in this strip that
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense. So he shows up. Peter
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Parker shows up to the airport in costume as Spider Man,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't have his other clothes. I think like
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: his other clothes fell out. That was it. All of
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: his clothes are gone. They were like eating by gator
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: or something. He only has his Spider Man outfit. He
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: needs to get back to New York, and the TSA
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: are like, hey, man, take your mask off. We can't
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: let just this guy go on just because you say
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: you're Spider Man. So Spider Man has to try to
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: prove that he's Spider Man in the middle of the
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale Airport. This is, by the way, like three
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: months worth of strips. It finally culminates in Barack Obama
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: calling the TSA and saying, let my palse Spider Man
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: on board.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Spider Man is the reason we can't wear She was
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: at the airport and I will not further.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: This is a storyline that ran in newspapers.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just used to do ship like that.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Oh we again, we not to repeat it. But we
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: used to be a country.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: We used to be a country. We used to have
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: good porn parodies. We used to have we used to
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: have newspaper Spider Man job cash. We used to.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Joy a general sense of everything's gonna be okay. Vegetables
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: we can eat without fear of shitting our brains out.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: He was on television all the time.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Ryan Murphy was not as evil as.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I'm becoming a return guy. But just for newspaper Spider
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Man and the porn parodies thing, I'm really mad about it.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're really locked in on the porn parodies.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I usually am, It's okay.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: It's one of my One of my best stories is
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: we had this room. I went to Kenyon College, Ohio,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: and my freshman year dorm, we had a room called
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: because called the Creepy Lounge cause it was just like
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: small windowless room that was I guess like a study room,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: but you could fit a lot of people in there.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: And one day my friends were like, do you want
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: to watch all of the Star Wars porn parody together?
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, sure, awesome, that sounds like a
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: fun thing for us to all do together. And so
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: they were like eight of us watching a Star Wars
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: porn parody. And this had to be like three hours
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: worth of us doing this just in a small locked
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: room not locked. It was not locked. People were free
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: to leave, but people kept coming to be like then
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: people kept coming and be like, what are you guys
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: up to? And we'd be like, how do we explain
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: that this like multi gender room of freshmen are all
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: sitting here on ironically and unhornily watching the Star Wars
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: porn parody together as if we were doing like miss
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: dry science theater core memory is it?
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Are you like forwarding or is it just fingers laced.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Watch and P and V. We were full watching P
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: and B together as And it is funny because like
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: I heard all the time, like you hear about all
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: the time about like boys watching porn together, uh, girl,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: which girls just didn't do. And I don't know if
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: real boys do that or if that was just a
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: thing on TV. But I was like I was, I
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: like exited my own body in the middle of this
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: happening where it's like I'm in a room full of
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: my friends and we're all watching porn together and there
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: is no sexual undertone to this sitution. No one's joking
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: it like we're all just like cinematically and critically locked
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: into the Star Wars porn parody. That was I would say,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: a delight, but did not elicit any sense of lust
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: in me. As a parody. It was quite effective as
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: a porn I'm not sure that it was.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Didn't do what it set out to do.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: No, it didn't make me horny, but it did make
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: me giggle.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you can't get a room of college
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: freshman horny, you know what, what what purpose do you have?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: What do you have? Maybe the person that made it
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: was like they were really passionate about the parody side
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: of it. They were like, I want to tell this story,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: but the only I have to like to get it told,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: I have to do the porn thing, like this is
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: this is what I have to do to get my creative.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: It's like, you make a movie unless there's original I
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: p attached. Case, you can't make the movie unless there's
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: a P and V attached.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's just like M brackets at certain
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: parts of the script, like fucking goes here? I don't know,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: back to.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: My lore, I mean, yeah, it probably definitely started off
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: life as a Star Wars fan. Fake? What are we
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: talking about? Okay?
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Well three?
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: If I might pivot us into something horrible, my next
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: making the Nazi comparison is so oh fucking crazy. I
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: maybe hate this man. So yeah, to take it straight
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: from porn to Nazis. He I hate that. That's the
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: running thing in this episode is that every time he
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: starts flailing in the argument, he just calls his wife
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: a Nazi. Yeah he.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, we were at such we were in such a
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: weird point with Nazi parodies. In nineteen ninety four, Schindler's
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: List had just come out. It was on a lot
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: of people's minds.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: No, okay, that.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Exact fucking early rule of the Internet. I don't remember
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: what it's called.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Is.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: It's not Poe's law, but there's an early rule that's
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: like the longer a conversation on the Internet goes on,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the higher chance it is that someone is going to
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: bring up the Nazis or compare someone to anaz.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, eventually, like you know who
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: else did blank? Hitler?
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: He did?
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: It was like the first three sentences of the conversation.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the second that gets at all rocky, he's like
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: and Hitler like he he pulls that like way too early?
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Is his character? I guess, I don't know. Is his
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: character Jewish.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Buckman. I don't know if we have I don't I
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: don't think they have confirmation confirmation.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Jewish like he he's he is culturally coded as Jewish,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: but his religion was never explicitly stated on this show.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: And I think that was like a really weird thing
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: for me too, because I was like, I don't know
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: enough about the show to like because like, in either case,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: it's kind of weird because either it's a guy who
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: is not Jewish who is like invoking the Nazis a lot,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: or it's a guy who is Jewish who is weaponizing
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: his his Jewishness against his non Jewish white.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Like he was.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, let me tell you that move works.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: That move works as someone married to a shiska that ship.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: But you gotta you got you gotta use it sparingly.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: You can't. You can't get it. Every time I get
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: like maybe twice a year, I can pull that one out.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you only get a couple of cards, so and
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: and to get like this is depending on like how
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: far apart these two fucking candidates actually are, because it
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: sounds like they're actually not, Like it's not a fucking
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Democrat versus Juliani. It's just a different flavor of Republican.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: He's burning that on like the most minor political dispute,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: like but I mean that's the thing.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Jamie is making it sound like this is a real
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: challenge of values for them, like we have completely incompatible values. Uh,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: And Paul's like Eh. The other thing is what's very
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: strange is again the show is ignoring its own canon.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Paul has personal reasons not to like Lance Brockwell. He
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: has met this guy, he knows this guy. Dan and
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I covered an earlier an earlier episode where like when
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: she first took the job with Brockwell, he was like, shit,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I have beef with this guy going back years. And
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: when he tried to make up with Lance Brockwell, Lance
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, I might super illegally not hire your
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: wife in case she gets pregnant.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Hey, so may I say that everyone just came out
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: of your mouth? Is a much more effective argument that
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: he could have made in this show instead of you're
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: a Nazi, like like, so there's a real argument for
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: him not supporting this guy, literally.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Six episodes before.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I But I the thing is, I'm not giving him
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: the benefit of that doubt because I just think he
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't really want to help his wife, Like I feel
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: like it's just fucking contrarianism where he's like you're telling
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: me that I need to direct a commercial for your
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: fucking political campaign commercial.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, it's how.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: This conversation starts. As she comes in. Yeah, she comes in.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: She's like, I and guess what. I have this great idea,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: you should direct a commercial.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: And he's like, I don't junde yourself, my wife, you're
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: a Nazi.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: You want to hear my idea?
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: Paul Buckman directs Lance Brockwell's commercials Oh no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: so much harder than high.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Wait before you say no, just hear me out.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, please, Truly it's politics.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I'm like, I'm against.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like Auntie, I'm not your a political and yeah,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I don't you know, I'm like.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I'm Switzerland.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, don't I don't get involved.
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: Switzerland would get involved under certain circumstances like what like
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: if it's wife asked.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: To Plus, I gotta say, I'm not that crazy about Brockwell.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Really, yeah, no, to me, he's he's.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: A little officious.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Officious. Is that's a word I'm proud to know.
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: Well, he's not officious at worst, he's indefatigable.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Is a contest with you at us. That whole renaming
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: the street thing.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: It's a symbolic gesture.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: It'll make people feel good, it raises.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Their subway prices, it'll make them feel broke. And it's
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: not just street renaming. They're building that school in Staten Island.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: They're finally gonna get rid of those awful plates on
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: eighth Avenue.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Eighth Avenue, you mean Sophie Tucker Drive. It's the nickel,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: It's the principle of thing plus. And this is the
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: clincher for me.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: It's said in the article, because I'm reading all the
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: sections now, it says Brockwell.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety three, he was the commissioner of Parks.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety three is exactly the year that the city
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: turned its back on the Swans, little dying swans in
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Central park Boat.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: So are you saying you're gonna vote for Juliani. Yes, well,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: obviously it's your vote to do it as you please.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: But that would be a crushing mistake.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I don't believe it would.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I know that it would be.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: A crushing mistake.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Brockwell is smarter than Juliani. He has vision vision of
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: what streets with new names come on.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: The Nazis did that.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I don't start with the Nazis.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: You always do that.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: You're gonna play the Nazi card.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Now, I'll tell you something else.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: The Nazis were officious. That is the cheapest way to
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: win an argument. You just call in the nuts. Yeah,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: it's this opens with her trying to get him work
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: and literally yeah, and he's immediately like, I'm not voting
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: for your boss, which I would say you could feel
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: that way and do that. You're it's your voting. Like
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: that's kind of like the whole thing about it is
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: that nobody has to know how how you voted.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Don't You don't have to say it to.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Your life that you made that commercial, Like, why are
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: you acting like it's gonna say at the end of.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: The day, yeah, that's work.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I see this in perfectly. I have friends who worked
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: for like a production company that like at times made
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: like conservative ads and reach the pot where they're like,
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: we have to be we can't be associated with his
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: company anymore. But I would never like say that the
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: way that my friends were making money as like broke
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: early twenty year olds, that they are like evil people
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: because of the being associated with this company, and also
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: if they're really not as far apart as unless he's
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: like buying for a job with the Giuliani campaign, I
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: don't see why he wouldn't just make the ad and
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: take the check.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: I mean point number one, Right, it's wild for Paul
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: to be like, I'm a political I don't like to
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: get into politics, right, and his job is documentarian. See,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: he's a documentary filmmaker. That's literally his job. Point two. Yes,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: the show is ignoring that Paul has semi legitimate has
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: other reasons beyond this to not want to vote for Brockwell.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I will say a couple voting for different people is
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: one thing, But not supporting the guy whose campaign your
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: wife is running, right, is wild, Like you're kind of
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: locked in. She's in the campaign.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: There, she put her root on TV while he was
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: being announced as a candidate.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she deeply locked in out of love.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: She whipped one out on national television, and he can't
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: bite the bullet and direct a commercial for her.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: The reason Mac I wanted to have you on. I
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: want to talk about people dating with wildly different political
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: beliefs and where this comes from and every time I've
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: ever seen it, it's always always, always a conservative guy
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: and a liberal woman. I've never seen it the other
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: way around. I've never seen like a Maga Barbie try
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: to get with like a DSA member Adam friedlan looking guy.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: The only example I can think about that is that
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: is a real life example is John Oliver's wife and
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: him met when she was doing something for veterans at
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: the RNC. I don't know what that means. She was
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: a registered Republican, but they like they met when she
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: was at the RNC working and he was there doing
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: coverage for the Daily Show. Yeah, and so like I
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: don't know what her political beliefs are, but like that,
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: that is always I think, like people always do talk
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: about the fact that, like John Oliver has a wife
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: that is more conservative than.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Him, James James Carvel, his wife is a Republican Operative.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Of course, James Carvel is also a Republican Operative.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, like you know, Marty, it's funny you phrased
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: that way, because my note was really I have to
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: say that this is always the situation, conservative man who
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: doesn't really care and liberal woman who is, like it
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: is a big deal for us to be politically different,
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: and he's like, what does it matter. I'm an upper
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: middle class man. Nothing tangibly impacts me, and I lack empathy.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: He slightly complicates it for me that it seems like
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: these are just two Republicans. But like, I do think
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: that this is always this situation, also because I think
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: that like, men are more likely to be like, I'm
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: not political because it is more likely that like things
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: wouldn't affect them inversely. And I also think it is
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: much more likely for people who are conservative to say
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: that they're a political because they're actually just conservative, Because
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: like I've had family members do that to me too,
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: where it's like, well, I just don't, like I don't
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: really think I don't really concern myself with that. Why
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: do you care so much about that? I'm like, I
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: don't know, because I care about other people, because I
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: care about my friends who these issues are affected by,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: Like That's why I'm so upset by this. But yeah,
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: I definitely think that that is totally always the situation.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: And I mean we saw that so much about like
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: right after the Trump election, like all of these women
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: being like, ladies, what are you doing about the fact
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: that your husband voted for Trump, and I'm like, divorce
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: papers or nothing. What do you mean you were a
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: couple where one of you voted for Kamala Harris and
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: one of you voted for Donald Trump. You're like, I
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: just don't understand, because like ideologically, like are you gonna
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: raise children with that person? I don't even date people
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: who on dating apps have like moderate and their and
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: their because I's just code for Republican. But like, there
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: are values that I have that if someone even not
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: explicitly disagreed with me on it, but like implicitly by
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: the way that they're voting, disagreed with me on it,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, I don't want to have a family
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: with you because I don't want our kids to be
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: raised with that.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: When I started dating my wife, it was the twenty
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: twenty election, and I was you know, Bernie, and we
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: talked about politics, and I thought she told me that
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: she was a supporter of Joe Biden, and I talked
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: to Marty about it and was like, can I do this?
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Is this?
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Is this okay? Like I really like grappled with it,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: and then later she was like, I just said I
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: thought he was going to win, I also voted for Bernie.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: You just misheard me. I had like a real I
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: like went on walks to think about that.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Mom Donnie Cuomo difference, It's like I would
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: have a hard time dating someone in New York who
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: told me they voted for Cuomo over be like, are
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: you a psycho? Like what do you mean? What do
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: you mean You're you're a hot girl for Cuomo. That's crazy,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: That's literally that's a crazy thing to be. And so
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: it's like and that's that. I mean, that is a
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: pretty big political difference. But it's like, then, if I
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: was dating someone who was like, yeah, I'm ten toes
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: down for JD. Ve Ants, I'd be like die, like
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: what do you mean?
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the apps? You mentioned the apps a
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: second ago, and I heard this. I don't date anymore.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: I'm married, and that's why I don't have to worry
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: about something like this. I heard about this week something
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: called woke fishing, where men will pretend to have progressive
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: views in order. Okay, so Mac is like nodding her head.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: I was gonna be like, is that a real thing
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: or is that something that like the internet pretend. No,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: it's a real thing.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Why are they so obsessed with this because they want
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: to have sex with women? Yeah, I get into this
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: a little bit in the like goth Girl series we
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: did on my podcast a while ago of like they
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: want to date cool, hot often all girls. Women are
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: molecula lean liberal than men, especially young women. That that's
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: even I'm gen z like in my generation, that divide
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: has gotten even bigger, and it's like these these men
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: want to have sex with women, and so they are
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: pretending to be woker than they are on the left
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: at all whatever in order to have sex and basically
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: like trying the I think what the goal is, if
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: not for sex, is to basically trap these women into
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: relationships and then reveal that they are more conservative than
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: they let on. I also think that like you see
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: this happen a lot like and it's what I talk
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: about that episode with like guys want to date cool
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: women and then kind of tame them and like turn
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: them into the thing that they want. And I've run
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: into that where I've like dated I've dated guys who
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: like at first are like I don't shave my armpits,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: and they're like very initially chill about that and they're
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: then at a certain point they're like, well what if
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: you did, though, And it's like.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of one of the most time honored weapons
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: in the shitty straight dudes dating toolbox is the sunk
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: cost fallacy. Yeah, just you're in too deep, you've put
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: into much time. Just maybe ride this out, see where
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: it goes. And yeah, that's just their primary move.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: Well it's also like, okay, So another example of this.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: I dated someone last year who on his hinge profile
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: had he they pronounce I usual, they pronounce so and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: like I genuinely do. Like that is like I identify
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: as non binary, really identify as a Kirkland brand of
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: a woman where I'm a woman, but I'm just kind.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Of bad at it and fantastic.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: So I was doing this guy who pronouns on his
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: hinge profile, and then one day I asked him about it.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: This was like three or four dates in and he
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: sort of danced around it and basically said that he
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: was using it as a way to signify that he's
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: like woker than your average dude, but that he identifies
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: as a sisman. And I was like, well, now I
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: just think you're transphobic. Like now I literally just think
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: you're transphobic and think that and that you're trying to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: like fuck cool non binary people who are looking for
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: a more like a T for tea and non binary
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: for non binary situation, when in fact you just are
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: a shitty dude who put a day pronoun in your
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: bio so that you seemed safer than you actually are.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: So it's just a fucking nightmare out there.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Huh hey, let me tell you it's a it's a
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: it's a horror story. Yeah, it's a. Let me tell
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: you it's not fine. I don't like it. And I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: recently got horribly love bombed by a man on a
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: dating app. He's and he sped run love bombing me.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: It was really fine, so much it was really sick.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: I loved it, and I went, I can't do this anymore.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm twenty eight, I can't. I can't
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: do this anymore. It's been like eight years on dating apps,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: and it's job.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: It's there.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: There are where many people in the streets or we're
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: staying home.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I'll also throw this out there and mac your entire podcast.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Your thing is about attraction, the way people look, and
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: that's I've had to recently not had to, but recently
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: I started watching The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives are
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: because because I'm going to Iowa to see my wife's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: family and I need to fucking talk about to my
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: wife's cousin's family about something. Yeah, And the thing is,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: all these women look the same. There is a conservative woman. Look,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: there is a mar A Lago. Yeah, there is a
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: specific look to that, to that type of and if
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: you're into that, good for you. But if you are
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: a Maga guy who wants I don't.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, well the other thing that like Aiger Brown Mormons.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: And it's like there's also just like a Mormon aesthetic
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: that like has that is like adjacent to a conservative aesthetic.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: But it's like all of those girls on that show,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know any of them, but I
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: know them, you know what I mean, Like like they're
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: all they all have like they all get the same
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: hair extensions, and they all are going to the same
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: plastic surgeon in Utah and getting the same work done.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: And it's it is the Mormons have never really left
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Christian Girl Autumn. I have found like that that like
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: twenty sixteen Pinterest aesthetic and now that is very much.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: I think the like conservative girl aesthetic writ large is
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: they like found the thing that they wanted in the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: Year of Our Lord twenty fifteen, sixteen, and we're like
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: and now it's this forever, we will never evolve.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: She's talking about how your politics are a manifestation of
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: your like, your your character and your morals. The thing is,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: like they're having this conversation while married, Like she is
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: married his work stance, Yes, they have been married for
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: several years at this point. Instead of like and like,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: I completely agree with her that like, yes, this is
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: not like a trivial thing. This is like really a
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: manifestation of who you are as a person, Like you
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: learn that shit week two.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Really, Like, I think that's a generational thing, dude, I
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think because these are gen xers.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think gen xers did that. I think, like
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: it became so much more important for millennials and below
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: to find that. I want. I want ghosted on a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: girl after six weeks, after like three days, because I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: saw a picture of her and Newt Gingrich on her
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Facebook profile and I was just like, I'm just gonna
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: block that.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I think there's a few things here too.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: It's like I think a value system around marriage has changed,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: and like men are there are a lot of conservative
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: men who are very upset about this, where it's like
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: the need to be married or even and not even
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: like like the like financial perspective that it used to be,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: but like the cultural need to be married and to
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: have kids and have the sort of more trad life,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: especially in a place like New York, has really diminished.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: Like I definitely still feel that pressure socially. Everyone I
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: know is getting engaged right now, but like at the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: same time, like the like the notion of like needing
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: to settle is not is not there as much, I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: feel like for even for even for straight people.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Now it's wild, right, is that this is not the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: Andy Griffith Show. These are cool cosmopolitan New Yorkers, right,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: I still think even that like there's still I think
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: there's still a thing of like, well, it's like the
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: thing that you do is you get married. It's the thing.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: It's the thing to do because otherwise you're a spinster,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: which still had a negative connotation even then. I feel
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: like and all so, I think most women who find
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: themselves in this situation. So like, you know, if I
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: take all these women who are on Instagram being like
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: my husband voted for Trump, what do I do if
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: your husband said I gotta vote for Trump. So with
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: not new information that he's like that, And it's only
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: like the fact that it's only now in our year
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: of the Lord twenty twenty four where that's crossing the
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: line for you, like awesome, welcome election. Yeah, it's like
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: but like I I was never gonna find myself in that.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: Not never. I mean when I was eighteen, I thought
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: I was Republican because my parents were. But then I
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: uh did the eye side with test and found ou
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: I should vote for Hillary Clinton, so I did.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I was a big John McCain guy in high school.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: Like I mean, I'm from Arizona for a big John
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: McCain guy in high school. I like now or even okay,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: like let's take me at twenty four, Like at twenty four,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not marrying someone who is conservative because I'm so
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: far to the left that like there's no world in
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: which I'm not even gonna be chill with someone who
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: port to her Cuomo. Like it's I just think that
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: like the distance between these women and these men are
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: less distant than they think they are. And I think
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: that is very clear in this show, is that the
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: distance between them isn't actually that distant, and it's now
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: only coming up for her because it personally impacts her
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: because this is her boss.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say something. You're gonna hate it, Mac,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: But let's let's take a look at the way that
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Jamie talks about Lance Brockwell, bearing in mind now that
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: this is a republican plus republican kind of thing. Yes,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: and I will say, after watching a few episodes around this,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: there is like a consistent political stance of both of them,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: which is that she wants people to feel like New
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: York is fun and safe and bring New York because
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: she's pr and Paul constantly makes jokes about how you
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: shouldn't run down this street or like this is dangerous
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: and crime so he's one of those guys that those
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: are the only consistent characterizations of the way that she
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: talks about Lance Brockwell, The way that she stares at
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: her husband and like talks about the features of Lance
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: and what he's going to do. Anybody else kind of
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: feel like she's got a crush on her boss.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: Her boss is Alan Rook, so it's like, I also
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: have a crush on her.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: It seems like she's crushing on her boss.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: The only gap relationship that has ever made sense to
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: me is Willa and Connor in Succession, And I'm like,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: I get what every decision Willa makes in that show.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, especially he's just entering his silver Fox
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: period here.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: I think that's definitely part of it. And I think
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: that he probably knows that he probably catches up on
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: that vibe.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: It would have been a much more interesting direction for
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: the show to go in, which is besides what they
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: actually go with, which is that Jamie has kind of
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: a thing with the smarmy coworker guy that gets Paul
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: to sign on for the commercial.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the other thing that's true too, is
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: like literally those two things being the point that they're
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: making that to me is so like moderate liberal coded
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: to be like I just want to go back to
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: when things were fun and we had joy and we
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: could go to brunch. Like that's very much like the
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: people who like are who are down for Kamala to
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: be the nominee again, Like it's it's it's like we
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: want to go back out to brunch early pops. Jamie's
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: absolute oh yeah, oh yeah, and like and like probably
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: if the show was I mean, I mean, I don't
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: know how many the reboot, but like probably would be
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: someone who would like be a Democrat now would have
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: voted for Hillary Clinton, you know, would and Joe Biden
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: and been like really seized about voting for those people
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: because it's like this like return to normalcy thing and
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: the reference to.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Hillary in this episode. Yeah, a lady alone. So we
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: have we have talked about this show. Uh oh yeah,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: we got so. Paul does do the commercial. Paul does
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: agree to do the commercial, and it is a it
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: is a riff on Ronald Reagan's It's Morning Again in
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: America and it's like, there's morning again in Central Park.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: So he does do this commercial that is terrible. Yeah, yeah, suck, sucks.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: The ad is really bad. I'll put a clip of
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: it in here. Actually, I'll put the ad right here.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: There's a new day dawning in New York and a
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: new spirit with it. It's a spirit that knows that
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: soon as sure as the sun will rise over Avenue
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: of the Immigrants, New York will once again be the
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: City of Dreams. Lance Brockwell from Mayor It's Morning in
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: Central Park Again.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: I saw it, and I thought the whole joke was
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: going to be that it was horrible, and I was
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: feeling gas lit by the fact that the whole joke
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: is that it's amazing and like changed all of these
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: people's minds about Rockwall. Like, I was like, this is
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: maybe the worst political ad I've ever seen.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: It looks like he made it in like iMovie in
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: a high school computer life.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, it literally looks like word art.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: I do believe guys like that. Again, I don't think
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: that's that far from what Like, Yes, it's obviously a
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: parody and it's it's set. It's meant to be like
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: pretty ugly. But that's kind of what political ads look like,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: especially local like mayoral stuff looked like in the early nineties,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: if they weren't being like explicitly racist. Like, yeah, a.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: Terrible slogan, It's morning in Central Park again. No shit,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: it's morning every day.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: That was a Ronald Reagan thing. It was a it
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: was a playoff of Reagan's Morning Again in America or
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that works for America. That doesn't work for
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: New York work. We're too busy. That's the thing that
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: was the other thing the sense I got from the show.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: The thing that I think is so true Seinfeld is
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: it really feels like a New York show. Sex in
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: the City feels like a New York show. Even Friends
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: feels like a New York show. Friends less than Seinfeld,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: but it does. It feels like a New York show.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: This show does not feel like a New York show.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: It kind of reminds you that you are on a
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: set in Los Angeles.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, the restaurant, I was like, that's not a restaurant
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: in New York.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: This show is hammering how new York it is. Constantly
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: They're like they're really going for the like new York
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: is the fifth character thing Paul every third line that
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Paul Riser says is and as we all remember, we
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: are in New York right now.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: Like I feel like one of those shows and the
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: lilt of movies are like this too, where they said
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: it in New York and then they're like, but no
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: one actually who's working on this has any real connection
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: to New York. And so we're sort of guessing what
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: New York feels like.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: I think Paul.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Filmed in Toronto.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: I mean they're filming on the NBC studios in Los Angeles.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I think Paul Reiser is actually from Queens. But that
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: about it. This is something we talk about on the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Andy Griffiths Show a lot, is how they made up
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: a fake North Carolina and people believe that, and then
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: North Carolina began to reflect that. The South began to
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: reflect that because Andy Griffith is from there. But it's
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: all Los Angeles. It's all Jewish guys writing things in
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: LA about what they think the South is. Like, Yes,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: so we run into that Paul riser uh Is was
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: born in New York City. Yeah, Paul is actually from Queens.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: But that's it. Uh, it just doesn't.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it feels very like we wanted to
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: set this show in New York, but like.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Doesn't it doesn't feel like it doesn't even feel like
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: nineties New York. I would say. So, Paul does direct
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: the commercial, he watches the commercial, you know what, equal opportunity.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: He compares himself to a Nazi here too, he compares
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: himself to Leni Riefenstahl.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: He says, but he's basically saying like you made me
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: into a Nazi. Like you meane, you're making me feel
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: like a Nazi by by having forced me to do this,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: even though she does not force him to do it.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: She pushes pretty hard, like he says, he says, gets
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: on him.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: No, hold on, hold on, No, he's convinced by the wife.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, she just gets him to take a meeting, and
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: then he gets hypnotized as soon as he's talking to
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: someone that's not his fucking wife. As soon as he's
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: talking to a guy, he is immediately hypnotized by just
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: having all of his arguments repeated back in him corect
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: and then he's like yes, yes, absolutely, and then he's
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: looking at his wife that he hates again and he's like,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: I wish I'd never done this.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, so who do you wait on a second, who
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: do you think told that guy to repeat all of
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Paul's arguments back at him. His wife, Jamie absolutely went
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: to work the next day and was like, yeah, Paul
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: will do it if you say these four things right.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yes, absolutely.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: She knows her husband is a misogynist. Needed to hear
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: it from a man.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, and and has the fucking like narcissism that like
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: if you just say something he said back to him
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: with a slightly different inflection or flate phrase slightly differently this, Yeah, absolutely,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: you could get him to like walk off a cliff.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Doing that.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, hearing from a man who agrees with you,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: or at least pretends to agree with you, versus a
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: woman who completely disagrees with you is different. I'm not
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: gonna pretend like I wouldn't. I would definitely do that
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, well so fair?
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Why am I defending Paul? Really?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Are you having fun on this side?
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: Because you brought an evil woman onto this podcast? You
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: want to fight with me about me?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: Why do I feel like I gotta take this guy's side?
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Fine, No, I'm kicking the shit out of Paul over here,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: But for being an asshole that hates his wife and
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: your devil's advocating.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: I think that, like everyone can and should have their
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: own mind about like what values they're willing to sacrifice for,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: especially if you're doing any sort of career in the arts.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean I work in theater. Most Broadway
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: houses are owned by evil, evil people. Oftentimes getting funding
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: for your art involves like talking to evil people. If
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: you're a filmmaker, like a film editor, sometimes like whatever
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: comes across your desk for pay, you just kind of
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: have to do because you can need money.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: And so it's like, I have a lot of empathy.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: I would have so much empathy for Paul's position, But
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: he's so vitriolic about a decision that he made that
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: it's just I don't know, it's just it's so odd.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: It's so odd how vitriolic and pissed off he is
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, especially even that it's his wife's boss.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: The headline is you did a really good job helping
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: your wife with her job. Like and and he's not
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: even uncomfortable with the fact that he has specifically helped
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: this one candidate. He is uncomfortable with the fact that
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: he has created something that might influence people's decision.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Next a propagandist. And again, yeah, he's a filmmaker.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: That's what he literally a documentary people to care about
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: these swans in Central Park right Like he's making this
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: document with the swans. He wants people to care. That
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: is propaganda, like wanting people to care about the swans
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: in Central Park is propaganda because, like you know, I
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: think it's objectively good for those swans not to die,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: But it's not an objective fact that taking care of
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: those swans in Central Park is a good thing. See
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: the whole debate over whether the people in Central Park
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: should be allowed to do the horse drawn carriages. Those
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: horses keep dying. A lot of people want it to
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: be like outlawed to do these horse carriage rides in
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: New York, But it's an objective fact that it's like
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: a good or bad thing to get rid of those horses, right,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: And so it's like he is framing it like the
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: documentary work he does is objective because it is not
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: one for one about politics.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: Right by the way, Philadelphia did just outlaw those horse
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: drawn carriages. We should do I personally think you should do,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: but I don't think it wasn't as big a deal
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: for us because I think there was like one company
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: left in the entire city that did it.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: Ours.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Your yours also managed to have a lot of like
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: mystique and and like and stuff like that, and ours
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: are just a guy on a horse, like you want
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: a horse ride? Yeah, in your terrified family come on,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: like they just ride up on a horse screaming at
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: you to get I think everybody was like Yeah.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: On the other hand, if you see one of the
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Cowboys, which he does, like a black dude with
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: dreadlocks standing up on a on a horse wandering through,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: that's like a blessing from.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: God once again, that's my dream.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: If you can, if you can see one of the
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: North Philly Cowboys, you're so happy. Guys rule. It's such
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: a weird city. So we finally the culminating point, we
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: get to the dinner. Mark shows up early. He's anxious,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: he wants to embrace this. Fran is next, and then
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Iris and Ira, who are fighting, and no one has
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: anything to talk about. Everyone is feuding and cranky, and
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: like I said, Richard Kine does look like Burt from
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Sesame Street. And this and the only topic of conversation
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: somehow not Jamie's titflash m. The only topic of conversation
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: anyone can think of is so Paul you directed that
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: that commercial? Huh?
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: And everyone loved the ad. Everyone, everyone's minds were changed
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: by the ad. I literally was watching the scene and
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: I was like if I was on a table with
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: that many centrists with wishy washy political opinions. I guess
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: all Republicans now, but when I was watching it thought
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: they were centrists with she washy political opinions. I think
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: I would go crazy and have to leave because it's like,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: what do you watched one political ad that was the
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: most nothing burger ad that talks about no real policy positions,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: and you went, oh, I'm going to vote for that guy.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: Now it's the American voter man. Okay, I don't talk
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: to median American voter. Sorry, I'm a New York piece
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: of ship like all of these people in the Okay.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: We're all we're all coastal elites. I have to go
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: to Iowa tomorrow, guys, I have to.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: I will say no. This is jan X.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: This is how. This is what those guys are accustomed to.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: Is they're just like they that's just what the fucking
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: nineties were of. Just like.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: Like your options weren't that different? Like lit Little Clinton's
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: a conservative, Yeah, to get controversial on Maine, but it's.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Like nobody, you're on our feet and you're dropping in
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: cyndiary material like that.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine somebody getting through eight years of breaking
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Mayberry and that being the line for them, Like hmm. Anyway,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: a fight breaks out between Jamie and Paul, and they.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: Also another iconic line though in this scene when they're
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: like gasping him about how good that that is is,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: when again another banger of a line from Richard Kine
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: says President Ducoccus hand my hand to God was so
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: and he's like leaned over the table holding Fran's hand
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: when he says it, and it's so freaking funny.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay. Mark says that had Paul been there to
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: direct commercials, we would have had President Dentacus hands of God,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: President Decacus hand to God. Michael Dedaccus, who famously lost
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: all states except for Minnesota forty nine to one.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: Who was guys, sorry, I'm twelve years old. Who was
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: he running against Reagan?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Was there? Was Reagan's second term.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: My mom can never listen to the episode of my
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: podcast where we talk about the presidents, because then she's
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: gonna find out that I hate Ronald Reagan, which I
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: think would actually break her heart in a way that
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: we might not be able to come back from.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Michaels. Michael got absolutely stomped by Ronald.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: Reagan in reagang is so sexy. He is the devil.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: He is a horrible man who is rotting in hell
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: He is so sexy.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: Really, the fuck who was a movie star? You guys?
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: He was a movie star?
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: Young Ronald Reagan. Year old Ronald Reagan. Eight year old
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan is fucking busted. But young Ronald Reagan fine.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: Hell, I don't know. I guess in kind of a
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: Humphrey Bogar way, it's.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Like Mac has done more work on this than we have.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have literally recorded two hours, two hours, yet.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know something about neck tohead ratio.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: You're right, I am picturing like the California Raisin that
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: he became.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Marty, I can feel you wanted to bring it
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: back to the episode, and the thing that I will
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: bring it back to is one of the things that
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: is said during their fight is she says, I'm always
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: the big person and I could have wept.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: I could have wept.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: I was like, yes, in every argument I've ever had,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: and this is something very and with specifically with like
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: straight men that I've dated, I've had to like turn
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: the dial down on my emotions and my opinion on
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: something and like be the bigger person instead of allowing
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: myself to be in my actual like anger and rage
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: about something. And so when she said I'm always the
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: big person.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: I was like you and me, girl and Mac, thank
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: you for being podcast dad on this. Yeah, thank you.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this scene is a waking nightmare god. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: just being everybody in and like, again, at any moment,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: this should just stop. They could just leave it alone.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: And again, like.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: This scene is so fucking awkward right before the ad
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: stuff comes on. Yeah, that is like a gift from heaven.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: I've been at dinner's that fucking awkward. If any conversation
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: topic comes up, that is just clearly going to coast
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: us through the rest of the evening. Because that was
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: like they had a desert out ahead of them, and
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: like it was like, yeah, one conversation topic that will
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: just be the day and then you just have to
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: shut the fuck up and let people talk about your
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: fucking commercial for two hours and then it's over and
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: they just had to like just.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Be like this.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: And just.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: The thing for me though about this whole thing is
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: when they all sat down, I was like, Okay, there's
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: like absolutely silent dinner between people with this much history,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: like they're all what would actually be happening. They would
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: all be trying so hard, especially Jamie the one who
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: organized it, like she would be on and so I
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: had a really hard time believing. With the part where
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: they're all just sitting there being that was like halfway
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: through the dinner, I would totally believe it. But at
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: the top of the dinner for them to all just
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: be staring at Uni, They're like this and just like, uh,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: it's like no, Jamie would be asking dumb icebreaker questions
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: to like just clear the air. I was like, there's
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: no fucking way that this is how this would go.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: The best moment is actually when Fran comes in and
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: they do the like Hie the hug, and Paul Justice
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: to Market says Fran, you know your ex husband.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so funny. That was a great job.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: Good all right. So they have a fight and then
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: they both storm out, leaving the rest of the crew
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: to be like, so, what's up with them? Why do
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: we hang out with them? And then Richard kind gets
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: the closing mark where he says, you know, they look
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: up to us socially, we hold them to get like glue,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: which is a callback to what Jamie said earlier on
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  Speaker 1: the phone conversation. I don't actually remember if we said
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: that on the podcast or.
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  Speaker 3: Now, don't she refers to her and Paul as as
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: as their glue person.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which I think is just sort of acknowledging
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: that these two people should get a divorce.
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  Speaker 1: So let's so here we go. This is based on
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: this mac, here's our rating scale. Are they gonna make it?
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, And I don't want them to. I hate
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: both of these people.
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  Speaker 3: I felt that way when it was the big political
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  Speaker 3: divide that I felt it was. Now I feel that
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: way even more though, because I'm like, something this different,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: something as as minute as the difference between like Joe
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: Biden and Hillary Clinton, or again, I know I brother before,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: like Marco Rubio and Ten Cruz, is gonna be the
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: thing that you're having a blow up, screaming match at
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: dinner about. You don't respect each other. You don't respect
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  Speaker 3: each other.
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  Speaker 1: This is, in fact, actually one of the only times
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: when I would say that it's okay to be like, well,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: we agree on ninety five percent of things, and we
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: can put the things.
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  Speaker 2: Mac your examples are still too far apart because he
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  Speaker 2: just I can't think of any comparable politicians that could
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: be closer, as he just stopped working for him like
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: forty five minutes ago. So there's again, Yeah, I had
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: also forgotten that this guy wasn't a fucking Democrat and
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: and it's just literally like he could just let it go.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: Is George W. Bush or Jeb Bush if they were
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: running against each other.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good example there, it is.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's insane English better than George W.
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  Speaker 1: Bush.
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  Speaker 3: Kill yourself, Like that's literally divorce time.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeahah, they're in a disagreement about like moderate differences in
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: tax policy.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: Be ready to rip her face off. And it's like,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: oh my god, like like you guys can't save this
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: or when you're at home because the fact that he's
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: going to get this angry at her publicly, I'd be
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: like if I was their friends, I'd be like, oh
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: my god, what is the homelight blow out there?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: Having at the restaurant, yelling in public, storming out is wild?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: That is something everything's so chill about. Everyone's like, oh,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: that's just how they are. It's like, oh my.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: God, something you should only reserve for like the most
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: heinous of offense. It's like someone someone's cheating, Like that's
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: the right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's what I would assume. I would literally assume,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: like based on the conversation. If I was their friends,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, Oh, she's fucking her boss and that's
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: why she's so mad about this.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: Like imagine being anyone else at that restaurant, Oh my god.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then seeing their friends, I'll be
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: like me, it'd be like, what do you mean.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: If the three of us were having dinner at that restaurant,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: that is all we would talk about for the rest
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: of the night.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I've watched a couple of breakup at
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: a brewery I was at before.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's so amazing.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: When you speak, it's awesome. And they were just like
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: kind of quietly grumbling to each other. They weren't like
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: screaming at each other, but like specifically with him, like
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: he is so to compare your wife to a Nazi
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: in the middle of a restaurant, He's like, get out
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: of town, brother, Like, what do you mean, Like you
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: hate this woman?
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: At this point, He've been with these characters so long.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that any of these are authentically held
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: political beliefs that he has. I think he just doesn't
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: like his wife and doesn't want her to succeed, and
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: so he is like talking himself into a political position
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: based off of fuck.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: You, or slightly slightly more generously, he just fucking hates
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: Lance Brockwell. He just doesn't like his wife's boss.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: That's a girl, say that, Just say that you hate him, yeah,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: and you like, like you have personal beef with him.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: They did an entire episode about that.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: I think he has to make it this weird like
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: I'm smarter than you, my wife and we just disagree
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: politically thing, because he can't be like I hate this man,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: and it's a like personal failing, not personal feeling, but
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: like personal opinion of mine that I just don't like
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: this guy.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: The thing I was I was that was coming to
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: he was like weaponized neuroticism, which I feel like was
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: kind of very like, which is basically like he's not
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: an asshole, he's just neurotic, like he's he's just getting
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: hung up on something because he's quirky, as opposed to
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: he's an asshole that can't let things go. And I
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: think like for the time period that was very acceptable
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: of Like.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: Remember, Paul Eiser is the creator. He's the creator and
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: producer on this show, and it comes from like stand
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: up and books that he's written. Yeah, so like he's
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: choosing to make Paul Buckman this way. I don't think
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: he's on Paul Buckman's side. I don't know. I don't
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: know what Ultimately, after watching a bunch of the show,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know what this show wants me to make
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: of Paul and Jamie in their relationship.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, they're mad. They're mad about each other because they're
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: so in love, but they're also having screaming, crying blow
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: up matches and restaurants they're mad about each other. Oh,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: those crazy kids.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: The open crawl is them hugging and like being so
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: in love and like going on like fun walks together.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: So I think the show is at least what thinks
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: you to like, wants you to be rooting for them
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: at the end of the episode for something.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: Every episode opens with like a cute little cold open,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: like the one that we saw that's like them having
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: a cute moment together. Every episode is like that.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: Speaking of the cold open, I just have to the
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: credits the credits scene, This joke about renaming the streets
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: in New York isn't fucking funny. You can think that
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: it's frivolous to rename the streets in New York. It
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: kind of is, but to make your entire like stinger
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: end of the episode bit like him doing this extended
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: bit of like, oh, you're gonna turn left on Avenue
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: of the Americas and then drive up this other street
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: and then turn left on whatever. And it's like, hey,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: hey buddy, hey pal. Most of the streets across the
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: entire country are named like that. Most streets aren't numbers,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: and many streets in New York are named like that.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: Like I mentioned earlier that Out of the Immigrants is
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: Allen Street. It's not like you're renaming a numbered street
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: and making it more confusing. Like it's such a stupid
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: joke to be like, we're just going to make things
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: more confusing by renaming these streets. And it's like, have
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: you been in Brooklyn? Have you been in Lower Manhattan?
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: Like no, no, I think I think authentically he hasn't.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: Angeles people.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: It's a bad joke. Also, like I've seen streets get
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: renamed and usually people just use both names. People still
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: call Sixth Avenue sixth Avenue, oh everyone, No one calls
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: it the Avenue in America. No No, And that's everywhere.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: So everywhere, if you rename a street, people are still
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: some people are still gonna call by the street that
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: they used like that it used to be called.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they just do both. I've seen them do like
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: hoterrific ones where it's just like Sixth Avenue and then
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: like a second night street sign underneath.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: Avenue of the Americas is an example of that, because
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: it says both on the street sign and there are
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: I live in Harlem. There are many many streets in
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: Harlem that have multiple names. Yes, like Malcolm X is
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: also Lennox, and that just is what it is.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: We have probably the worst example here in Philadelphia, which
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: is the Delaware Expressway, which is in some places the
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Columbus is still considered Columbus Boulevard because obviously some people
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: really wanted it to be Columbus Boulevard and some people
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: really didn't want it to be. So it's only Columbus
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: Boulevard from like Gerard down to Spruce Street and then
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: it's Delaware everywhere else you see everybody's unhappy. The worst
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: compromise possible.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: Sladelphia decided to celebrate Christopher Columbus by on the Christopher
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: Columbus Expressway building the Christopher Columbus Monument, which I am
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: is a gigantic, nightmarish hr Geiger dick like.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: Horrible.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: It has balls, it has like it is a Washington
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: monument shaft with balls, and it looks serrated. It looks
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: like something that would be used to fuck the devil.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: It it is horrific and they just built that and
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: we're like, this is a great representation of our hero,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: Christopher Columbus, and it's like, I mean, yes, but not
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: for the reason you were going for.
• 1:34:45
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• 1:34:49
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