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The A.I. Overlords Have No Riz, Sydney Sweeney Saves Americana,& Milo Goes Muslim w/ Emma-Jo Morris · The Alex Marlow Show

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  Speaker 1: All right, best moment of the week. Emma Jo Morris
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  Speaker 1: is here for her weekly check-in, which we did miss
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  Speaker 1: last week. I was on vacation. I did miss it.
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  Speaker 1: And so did I. I did hear from some of you.
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  Speaker 1: But we are back. And check out this run of show.
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  Speaker 1: We've got Hasan Piker's crash out online continuing. We've got
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  Speaker 1: Hunter Biden attempting to dunk on Don Jr. That's coming up.
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  Speaker 1: We will play the full racy Sidney Sweeney ad and
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  Speaker 1: give you our take on that. Of course, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to give you Emma's latest take on the round of
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  Speaker 1: AI doomerism. And we will start with our lead story today,
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  Speaker 1: which is Milo Yiannopoulos, who was a Catholic gay and
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  Speaker 1: then became a ex-gay Catholic and is now a ex-American Muslim.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the image that came out. He had put out
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  Speaker 1: multiple images of him praying in a mosque. He's definitely
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  Speaker 1: getting the Al-Qaeda beard going. He's got the full KSM
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  Speaker 1: vibes going on in this photo. You almost, you got
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  Speaker 1: to laugh at the performance art of it all. And
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  Speaker 1: the fact that he will play the part to the
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  Speaker 1: most extreme degree. If I was really prepared for the show,
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  Speaker 1: and I am prepared, but if I was really prepared,
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  Speaker 1: there's a viral clip of Milo online when he was
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  Speaker 1: really going trad Catholic for a while when he was
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  Speaker 1: starting his gay conversion. where he was helping these Catholic
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  Speaker 1: nuns sell figurines of the Virgin Mary and stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: he sells it so well, I mean, I almost bought one.
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  Speaker 1: And I know him as well as I think anyone
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  Speaker 1: in America just about. This is after his unceremonious deportation
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  Speaker 1: when his, I guess, his homosexual marriage, which I think
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  Speaker 1: was sensibly still going on, was not good enough to
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  Speaker 1: keep him in the country. He gets kicked out of
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  Speaker 1: the country, and now he's a Muslim. What did you
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  Speaker 1: make of this when you saw it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much Milo lore that, like, you can't...
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  Speaker 2: You can barely talk about him on a podcast that's, like, ostensibly... Like,
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  Speaker 2: for people who ostensibly have a job that doesn't require, like,
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  Speaker 2: a significant amount of time on Twitter all the time,
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  Speaker 2: every day for, like, years, which is what is required
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  Speaker 2: to keep up with this conversation.
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  Speaker 3: But, yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think, first of all, just to correct you,
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  Speaker 2: I think when he was gay, he was Jewish.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Alex and I both go back with Milo,
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  Speaker 2: which makes this so perfect. We were on the phone,
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  Speaker 2: I think, the day he got deported, and it was
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  Speaker 2: the day after we taped our last show.
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  Speaker 3: And it was a total, like, I was imploding.
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  Speaker 2: I was getting postpartum psychosis on that phone call because
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  Speaker 2: I knew that we had already taped the show yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: So this is one where when we get really organized,
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  Speaker 1: I think I did learn it from you because even
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  Speaker 1: though I'm on the computer the vast majority of the day,
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  Speaker 1: you did catch me at a time where I was
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  Speaker 1: doing children's stuff and trying not to look at my screens.
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  Speaker 1: And I so I do think you broke it to
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  Speaker 1: me that he was getting deported. And this is the
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  Speaker 1: one where if we're really organized, we've got a camera
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  Speaker 1: rolling to get my live reaction because I want the
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  Speaker 1: public to see because Milo is one of he's one
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  Speaker 1: of the ones that got away for me. He was
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  Speaker 1: one of the most talented people I ever worked with.
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  Speaker 1: He had so many attributes of just the absolute superstar person.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought, I hope for so long he had
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  Speaker 1: the ability to keep it between the two buns. The
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  Speaker 1: expression is somewhat intentional. But he couldn't do it. He
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  Speaker 1: couldn't do it. The sandwich had to spill out the
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  Speaker 1: side of the breads. And he couldn't figure out how
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  Speaker 1: to manage money. And he had to always one-up everyone.
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  Speaker 1: And he always had to make it so that everyone
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  Speaker 1: knew he was the alpha in the room no matter what.
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  Speaker 1: And he also really did have that legitimate anti-Semitic streak,
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  Speaker 1: which I think was largely performance art, but not entirely.
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  Speaker 1: I was sad to learn. It was one of those
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  Speaker 1: things where he could have had it all and he
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  Speaker 1: just threw it all away. And yet still, Emma, when
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  Speaker 1: you gave me this news, I did smile. It was
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  Speaker 1: too funny not to acknowledge it, that it was funny.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so, yeah, like, I think that whole description of him,
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  Speaker 2: which is exactly accurate, is probably the reason he got deported, too,
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  Speaker 2: because there's actually lore behind the deportation, apparently, which was
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  Speaker 2: instigated by Laura Loomer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Because him and Laura Loomer hate each other.
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  Speaker 2: The reason is, like, something to the effect of that he, like,
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  Speaker 2: stayed a groiper after she, like, decided she wasn't going
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  Speaker 2: to be a groiper anymore, presumably because.
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  Speaker 2: She was being paid by some like political operative, like
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  Speaker 2: bottom feeder as a third party from some other group
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  Speaker 2: that needed her to not be a groiper, but which
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  Speaker 2: is kind of how all personalities online who don't have
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  Speaker 2: real jobs work. But in any case, so, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he and Loomer had this huge, I think, groiper related beef,
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  Speaker 2: which entailed him publishing the opposition research from her congressional campaign. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you're not in politics, when somebody runs
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  Speaker 2: for office, like, you know, in a bigger election, like
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  Speaker 2: in a federal election, they produce an opposition research document
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  Speaker 2: on themselves so that they can anticipate anything that their
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  Speaker 2: opponent might find and figure out what their, like, PR
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  Speaker 2: strategy is going to be for whatever it is. And
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  Speaker 2: so he was running her Florida congressional campaign, and he kept... Which,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, how do you let, I mean, am I
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  Speaker 2: allowed to use the word, the F word that ends
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  Speaker 2: with a T if it's like a proper noun?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're allowed to use it. I just give Misty
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  Speaker 1: a heads up for some of our syndicators, but it's the, yes. No,
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  Speaker 1: but this is a podcast. This is free form.
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  Speaker 2: Like you're gonna give this chaotic faggot your like opposition
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  Speaker 2: research document to keep which was an interesting choice but
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  Speaker 2: anyway so after they hated each other he published all
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  Speaker 2: this stuff from that document um which was basically uh
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  Speaker 2: detailing you know multiple like psychiatric crises where she ended
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  Speaker 2: up in some sort of like mental hospital.
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  Speaker 3: She can't own a gun.
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  Speaker 2: Another one was about how she's not really Jewish and
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  Speaker 2: how she had adopted that as like an online persona
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  Speaker 2: so that she could like talk shit about Muslims. Um,
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  Speaker 2: So he dumped all this oppo on her and that
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  Speaker 2: really escalated the fight. And then I guess she had
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  Speaker 2: been simmering about that for like years. And eventually when
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  Speaker 2: Trump got into office, this all went down when Biden
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  Speaker 2: was in office. When Trump got into office, she apparently
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  Speaker 2: was like pestering ICE to deport him. Had been calling
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  Speaker 2: him an illegal alien for months. And then finally she
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  Speaker 2: breaks the news like on Twitter that he has been deported.
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  Speaker 2: And his situation in this is like kind of also
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  Speaker 2: funny because So, I'm pretty sure he was living in, like,
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  Speaker 2: Dove Charney's house in L.A., who filed for Chapter 11, like,
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  Speaker 2: years ago. And I think if you have a squatter
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  Speaker 2: in your house, it, like, delays, like, possession. So, he
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  Speaker 2: had been just kind of hanging out at Dove Charney's house.
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  Speaker 1: So, this was the guy who was behind American Apparel, right?
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  Speaker 1: Who was really controversial and had a bunch of allegations
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  Speaker 1: against him for... These are the ads, they literally have
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  Speaker 1: nudity in the ads, but obviously that was a signal
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  Speaker 1: that there was darker stuff going on. Marketing genius, obviously.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really have a lot of it committed to memory,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know if he's a bad guy or
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  Speaker 1: a horrible guy, you can tell me, but I think
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  Speaker 1: he had some real serious sexual harassment allegations. But also
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  Speaker 1: reminds you, LA's squatter laws basically favor the squatter over
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  Speaker 1: whoever owns the place, which is just We laugh so
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  Speaker 1: we don't cry, but it's like, if you're the squatter,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, welcome home. Like, this is your place now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: And like, you know, you can't like technically, exactly like
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  Speaker 2: you can't, it takes, there's this huge amount of process
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  Speaker 2: that goes into evicting a squatter, especially a squatter that
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  Speaker 2: has the permission of the person who owns the home
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  Speaker 2: to squat there in order to delay like foreclosure proceedings.
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  Speaker 3: So, this is all allegedly, allegedly that was going on.
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  Speaker 2: In the meantime, he's becoming like a total panic in,
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  Speaker 2: and he is like, you know, going insane on Twitter
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  Speaker 2: at Trump all day long about every single thing, basically
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  Speaker 2: saying like, you know, it's so over. And, and apparently
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  Speaker 2: truly believed that because then he walks into an airport
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  Speaker 2: with a final deportation order and and is, like, promptly arrested.
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  Speaker 2: And there's something kind of perfect about the fact that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he just decided not to, like, trust the plan,
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  Speaker 2: and it ended up getting him on a plane to London, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: which is where he comes from. But my favorite thing
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  Speaker 2: about this, it's like, you know, I've had a few
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  Speaker 2: weeks to think about it, and if you think about it,
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  Speaker 2: The original sin was not the beef with Loomer and
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  Speaker 2: was not being a doomer, which you would think, as
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  Speaker 2: I just outlined, were the steps that preceded this outcome.
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  Speaker 2: But it was actually becoming ex-gay, which is his latest thing,
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  Speaker 2: where we left off before he converted to Islam. If
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  Speaker 2: he had stayed gay, because he was apparently married while
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  Speaker 2: he was here, and I think that that was legit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. At least at the time that they were married.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, if we play out the alternative scenario
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  Speaker 2: of him staying gay and not getting divorced for, like,
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  Speaker 2: being annoying, you know, he stays gay, stays married, presumably
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  Speaker 2: keeps his immigration status, but instead he became a straight
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  Speaker 2: white male, the most persecuted group in the country, in
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  Speaker 2: the world.
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  Speaker 3: And now he's been deported.
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  Speaker 1: So much in there for me to add. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: we also learned in a recent round of text messages
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  Speaker 1: that he did use the n-word to his black spouse,
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  Speaker 1: which I thought was just like.
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  Speaker 3: Very abusive.
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  Speaker 1: Unbelievable to put that down in writing. Given that all
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  Speaker 1: the stuff gets leaked out, and he's had a history
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  Speaker 1: of getting stuff leaked out, is that when he and
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  Speaker 1: I were loosely working together, of course he worked for
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  Speaker 1: me at Breitbart, but then he started Milo Inc., which I...
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  Speaker 1: was offered a very nice title and a really nice
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  Speaker 1: paycheck to work for, which I did not accept because
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  Speaker 1: I did not trust that what was going on was
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  Speaker 1: going to be above board. But he basically turned over
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  Speaker 1: all the keys of the kingdom to some 18-year-old intern
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  Speaker 1: at all the passwords and all the codes. And then
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  Speaker 1: he ended up leaking everything to BuzzFeed. And this is
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  Speaker 1: a longer story. This is worth a whole documentary, this story.
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  Speaker 1: But he should have known better. And he's still texting
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  Speaker 1: the N-word to his husband, who was a black person.
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  Speaker 3: Part R.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know if they're married still.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he did this, like, performance at one point when
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  Speaker 2: he was proclaiming himself ex-gay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Where he, like, threw the ring.
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  Speaker 2: And actually, it's funny that you bring up the BuzzFeed
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  Speaker 2: leak because I know somebody who was, like, a victim
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  Speaker 2: of that through, like, collateral damage who actually saw Milo
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  Speaker 2: pretty recently and was talking about how when he walks
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  Speaker 2: into the room, his purse is, like, rattling.
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  Speaker 1: With drugs in it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, with the pills. Yeah, no, no, I know.
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  Speaker 1: And he was getting into that stuff at the end
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  Speaker 1: of my time with him, too, which is... One of
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  Speaker 1: many reasons why I couldn't work with him anymore. But
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  Speaker 1: it's the... It is... There's a sadness to it. But
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  Speaker 1: it's funny. I ran into Loomer right after. And she
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  Speaker 1: was pretty stoked on this. And I was just thinking
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  Speaker 1: about the ruthlessness of it. There's an episode in, like,
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  Speaker 1: the fifth season of South Park. So, you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: talking 20 years ago. That was infamous at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Scott Tannerman must die. Where Cartman gets... Some bully bullies Cartman.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 1: Cartman has his parents killed and then feeds it to
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  Speaker 1: the kid in Chile. And it was like the sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing, like we never seen this on TV before,
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  Speaker 1: the darkness of it. And then Cartman literally is licking
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  Speaker 1: his tears at the end of the episode. And it
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  Speaker 1: just shows you that that is the level of, do
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  Speaker 1: not cross Laura Loomer. I think that is a clear
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  Speaker 1: takeaway on this because you will get deported and that
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  Speaker 1: will be, And just one of the career-worst mugshots of
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  Speaker 1: all time.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, brutal, brutal, brutal.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, again, second Khalid Sheikh Mohammed reference of the day,
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  Speaker 1: but worse than his mugshot. I mean, the most famous
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  Speaker 1: bad mugshot of all time. We have multiple Khalid Sheikh
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  Speaker 1: Mohammeds in the first 13 minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Of our show.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't even gotten to the Hasan Piker segment yet. But, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: I wonder— I wonder when you go to London, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like here when you get like a DUI,
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  Speaker 2: they make you like pick up trash and like, and like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, do community.
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  Speaker 3: Service or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Is it like in London, if you break like Twitter
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  Speaker 2: or like Facebook online posting rules, they make you convert
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  Speaker 2: to Islam or visit a mosque?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I have to say, though, I have to say
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  Speaker 1: that if you look at this photo that Milo getting
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  Speaker 1: to London and immediately converting to Islam, being a Muslim
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  Speaker 1: in London, is there anything more British than that right
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  Speaker 1: now than a British guy in London? No, nothing. That's
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  Speaker 1: the most British thing in the year of our Lord, 2026. So,
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  Speaker 1: but what do you.
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  Speaker 5: Make of it?
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything serious here, or is it just performance
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  Speaker 1: art from a guy who could have been, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the cultural icon of the right and is now just
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  Speaker 1: the worst flame-out stand-up comedian who's now a Brit?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that the flame-out happened, you know,
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  Speaker 2: preceded this many years before. I'll probably get, like, an
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  Speaker 2: angry text when this airs for saying that, but, like...
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  Speaker 2: At a certain point, you know, he's not going to get, like,
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  Speaker 2: a real job, so he just has to perpetuate his
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  Speaker 2: bit forever.
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  Speaker 3: And this is just more of that, I think. Like,
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  Speaker 3: what is he going to do? Like, go work at
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  Speaker 3: The Gap? No. Like, he just has to be.
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  Speaker 1: No, consulting.
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  Speaker 3: Consulting. He just has to, like, tweet from there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. They'll do some consulting. He'll figure it out. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: it's worth keeping an eye on, but there is a
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  Speaker 1: parallel figure on the left who is even more inflammatory
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  Speaker 1: and repulsive in his views, which is Hassan Piker, the
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  Speaker 1: face of the Democrat Party, who... I've been documenting on
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  Speaker 1: the live show, Emma, which I know you are a...
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  Speaker 1: a diligent listener, which I appreciate that. Genuinely, it's not
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  Speaker 1: a requirement for you to come on with me on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, but I know you keep up with it.
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  Speaker 1: I've been playing some of his flame out, and I've
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  Speaker 1: just concluded he really is like the Democrats gave their
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: party over to a Borat character. He's like a Borat character.
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  Speaker 1: He's impersonating a caricature of a spoiled, overly macho rich
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  Speaker 1: nepo baby uh from who comes into america and then
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  Speaker 1: shits all over america like it's not there is a
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  Speaker 1: huge performance element the democrats like no let's just put
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  Speaker 1: this guy in charge it's a big tent this is
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  Speaker 1: the he's the real deal and this is the type
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: of stuff he's still saying there's a fresh interview from
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  Speaker 1: axios check this out.
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  Speaker 6: Said that america is the top dog in terrorism yes
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  Speaker 6: do you think america then is worse than al-qaeda Pound
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  Speaker 6: for pound, as far as the number of deaths, yes,
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  Speaker 6: we have caused tremendous terror all around the world. I
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  Speaker 6: think that that is not only terror that we are
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  Speaker 6: waging on regular civilians in nations in the periphery, but
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  Speaker 6: it's also having consequences on ourselves. It's having dramatic consequences
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  Speaker 6: on the home front.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he just cares about America.
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  Speaker 1: Break it down, Emma.
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  Speaker 3: Well, so yeah, I like went nuts when I saw this.
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  Speaker 3: This is a very, like.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's, like many on the left, he's very
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  Speaker 2: clever and he's very savvy, but he is really not smart.
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  Speaker 2: And unfortunately, I want to say that, yeah, like this
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  Speaker 2: is a bit to get attention, but I think that
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  Speaker 2: this is actually like mainstream slop on the left. And
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  Speaker 2: you can walk into pretty much any faculty lounge on
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  Speaker 2: any university campus in this country and find similar conversation
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  Speaker 2: in a similar point or that same point um and
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  Speaker 2: you know i wanted to address this because there's just
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  Speaker 2: so much wrong with it that even okay you know
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  Speaker 2: anyone who like understands like has taken like a 101
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  Speaker 2: like i don't even think you have to have gone
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  Speaker 2: to college to take this class of like ethics and
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  Speaker 2: morality would say that like okay All killing is not equal.
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  Speaker 2: If you walk out on the street and kill a
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  Speaker 2: man that you see walking past your house versus if
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  Speaker 2: you kill someone who has broken into your house with
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  Speaker 2: your wife and kids inside, that's different, morally different killing, right? Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: killing on a battlefield is also morally different than killing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in your town. So he says the phrase
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  Speaker 2: pound for pound, which is so stupid in this context
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  Speaker 2: if you're talking about American, let's say, deaths inflicted by America,
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  Speaker 2: because what he's referring to, obviously, is us in... like,
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  Speaker 2: theater of war, and then he uses Al-Qaeda as the
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: comparison for our killings. So, I figured I would take,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: let's take the moral relativism aside and say that, like,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: you know, killing in American interest is, you know, like,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: morally the same as killing in interest of, like, the
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: caliphate or whatever Al-Qaeda wants or whatever.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: If you were to.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Just look at American You know, the ratio of American
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: killings in war from post-World War II, you have, you know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: the highest is the Gulf War in 1991 with one
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: civilian death per five to seven combatants. And then the
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: second highest is like ISIS, which was 4.5 to eight
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: combatants per one civilian death. And that's obviously, we're talking about,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: you know, a theater that is like a densely urban
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: environment where it's like these guys are hiding in apartment
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: buildings where there's a hundred, you know, you have 50
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: ISIS fighters hiding in an apartment building where there's 200,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: let's say, civilians inside of it. And even if you
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: wanted to go on the highest estimate of how many
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: civilian deaths we had in the campaign against ISIS, you
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: could go highest is 41%, lowest is 9% of the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: civilian to enemy combatant ratio. Now, if you wanted to
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: compare that to Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda is hard because they don't
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: have like wars that they fight, and they're not a military. But,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: you know, let's say 9-11 is like their flagship attack.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: They literally crashed a plane into the Pentagon, which you
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: would imagine would have you know, let's say the highest
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: ratio of military people as targets, dead versus civilians. And
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: in the Pentagon, they killed 55 military personnel and 70 civilians.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: And in all of 9-11, the.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Ratio is 53 civilian non-military deaths for every one military
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: member killed. Fifty to 1. So to say that pound
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: for pound, even though that's not a real comparison, as
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I just explained, not all death is equal, but pound
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: for pound, that's still not true.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: That's still not true. But, you know, the thing is,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: that's the troll. And I feel like I'm getting had
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: by him by even engaging in this. Yeah.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: The point isn't to be right. I found myself doing
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: this on a live show today. The point is to
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: hate America. Yeah, which you wouldn't have listened to. I
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: did the thing that I've been resisting, which is like,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I was kind of like responding to the arguments.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. And I'm like, wait, what am I doing?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the point is, it is kind of a stupid,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: it's a stupid man's take because he is equating all
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: military deaths with, flying planes filled with innocent people into
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: office buildings filled with innocent people and the rapes and
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: murders of innocent people as they went to a music festival.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: And the fact that this was something that is considered
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: mainstream now through the Democrats is frightening, but it really
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be. I mean, I feel like when people listen
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to this guy through the eyes of, is he doing
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a Borat routine? Is he doing a Sacha Baron Cohen character?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I then all of a sudden it actually makes more sense. Now,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: does he totally know that? I don't know. He's totally nuts.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: But the point is that that's how it should be apprised.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: But we've become, I think, increasingly unserious over time. And
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: what's ironic about this is I really do still blame
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the American left, our media, in the fact that we
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: tolerated so much idiotic thought for so long. And then
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: they spent the people who were saying, wait a minute,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: we're doing a bunch of idiotic stuff like keeping the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: border open and getting rolled on trade and getting into
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: a billion foreign wars and all that stuff embodied by
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the Trump administration and importing a bunch of fentanyl and
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: illegal aliens that we can't afford. Our debts going through
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the roof, all this stuff that people were saying this.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: And then we were all called fascists and Nazis were
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: doing that. And so I think those people just completely
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: lost their compass.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's like the left is and we've discussed
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: this a lot, like with the Mamdani stuff. It's like
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: all this is is like a project in like venting resentment.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: And that's why you have people talking about it. And
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: by the way, I don't believe I think it's the
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: opposite way. Like, I don't believe the Democrat Party, you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: like we're a large tent. Let in Hassan Piker. I
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: think it was more the opposite. I think it was
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: more like Hassan Piker just did this hostile takeover of
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the Democratic Party despite their resistance.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: And because he was more popular because.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: He is echoing, first of all, what they've heard in
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: their years of indoctrination in our education system. And then
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: second of all, is embodying and acting out the resentment
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: that they feel because they're downwardly mobile, overeducated, majorly indebted,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: with nothing, like no joy in their life. And this
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: is how they feel. The way he talks is exactly
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: how they feel. Maybe I'm too cynical and maybe I'm
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: not seeing like the joke. It's possible that I just
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: don't have like a good enough sense of humor or like,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: creative mind to understand the bit. But like, I feel
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: like this guy actually reflects exactly the way your garden
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: variety leftist actually views the world in this country. I mean,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: this is like letter to America style. You brought 9-11
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: onto yourself. Al-Qaeda is just as righteous as the American army.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And they're just retaliating because hurt people hurt people, as
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: his favorite candidate said in Michigan. So yeah, no, I
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: think that he's like more like more real than a
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: performance artist. Like I think Milo is a performance artist.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think Hassan is. And I think he's reflecting
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: something really ugly.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: This is kind of, but this is really relevant because
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I feel like Milo was way more real than performance
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: art for a while. And then him, you know, being
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a Muslim in the, in a mosque in London is
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: obviously pure performance art from my vantage point. But I
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: think for a while and, and striking that balance is really,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I think what can compel an audience is that how
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: much of this is reality TV and how much of
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: this is, is real life. And I think that really
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: does compel people. And I just felt like a little
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: bit of this, we're actually worse than Al Qaeda stuff.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: It's the America that really did deserve 9-11. I'm not
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: taking it back. It's, it feels like we're towing the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: line and not towing the line. That's the, that's the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: wrong expression. Uh, we're, we're finding the, the limits of
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: maybe what people can tolerate. And this is good timing
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: for Republicans heading into November where we should, by all measures,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: be getting our clocks cleaned by the Democrats. And we're not,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of the reason why is right here. Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Um, Yeah, I think that's basically right.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I also think that there's a subset of the population, though,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: that is radicalized and that what you and me would
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: consider the line reflects something that isn't the line for
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of people. And I think that Republicans, at
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: their most productive, and J.D. Vance kind of sometimes gets
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: closer to He gets much closer, talking about how we
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: address the downwardly mobile professional, the person who paid six
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: figures for an education they couldn't afford and then gets
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: into the workforce and realizes that it's kind of monopoly money,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: that they can't get the house, they can't have the kids,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: it's just not feasible, and that instills misery.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Let me set up a formal segue here in the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: next section, because... I want to talk a little bit
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: about the Trump $ 5, 000 handout, but only if you vote Republicans,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: which to me is, it's sort of alarming the more
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I think about it. I didn't like it at first,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and then now the more I think about it, I'm
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: getting increasingly alarmed by it because it does make me
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: feel like that there's no good economic message that's coming.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: People are spending like it's a jubilee, as I've been
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: saying in my show. So the unemployment level is perfect
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: at 4.1%. We're at an all-time low for certain demographics
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: for poverty. We're seeing wage growth at a pretty quick rate.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: And people still are under the impression the economy is
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: absolutely horrific. And we're going to give you a super
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: inflationary $ 5, 000 check, but only if you vote for me.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: And you only get $ 5, 000 no matter what you do
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: or your state of life or how much work you
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: put in. It's not my favorite look. Can you help
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: me make sense of it and give me your reaction?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think he's doing exactly what the Democrats
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: always do, especially like he's from New York. And it's like,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: you know, these buses pull up and they offer everyone
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: like a ham sandwich to get on and come cast
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: your vote, which we have no idea who it's going
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: to be for. The Democrats kind of do just like
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: straight up bribe voters.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: And I guess he's like, well, I can bribe, you know.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: So I think that that's probably like he's probably coming
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: to it from a more glib place.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: But you're right.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's such a smart point and something that
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: didn't come to me, but connects with exactly what I'm saying,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: which is it's pretty scary that that has to be
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the economic message. And it's because, yes, I agree that
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the economy is basically good, even with the rise in
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: gas prices, like, for the most part, like people aren't
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: revolting and the system has been able to absorb that
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: shock relatively well. But at the same time, there's this
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: underlying systemic, I guess like malaise, which is that starter
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: homes aren't available or if they are, they can't.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Like it's just, they can't, it's impossible. This
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: is impossible.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, you could, you could look at
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: all of the traditional metrics, which you do every day.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: And I know Carney has, you know, the most excellent
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: analysis of that literally every day.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: John Carney, not Mark Carney, just for the record.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: John Carney, the good economist, not Mark Carney, the bad economist.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like, you know, you could look at all
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: those metrics and say that they're right. But it, but
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: they don't address the underlying purchasing power issue for young
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: people who are trying to experience family formation. And unlike
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: you and me, who are like probably stupid in that
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: we have kids before we have everything figured out.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Most people don't operate like that.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: It gives them tremendous anxiety and they don't think that
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: that's realistic or smart. And they will wait until they
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: have all their ducks in a row financially before they
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: begin to, you know, get married and build a family. And,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: if the ducks can never get in a row because
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: you can never get on, on into the.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Property ladder and you.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Can never build up the down payment, even though you
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: have a good job and you did everything right. And
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: nobody is addressing that. Like the Republicans aren't addressing that.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: They just aren't.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: And the reason is obviously because if you were to
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: lower the prices of homes, let's say somehow, which I'm sure.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: There are ways.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: You're going to absolutely kill the boomers who own those homes.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: It's like the person's interest who owns the home currently
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: also has to be factored into this calculation. I don't
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: think that there's the same moral weight in those considerations,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: but obviously any politician who wants to win any elections
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: has to. And that's the reason why, but that's creating
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: really bad problems. Yeah, it is just a total... So
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: there's so much in there that's important.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: And we've been discussing this, though, it feels like for
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: years without really any sort of reasonable, any sort of
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: solutions put forward at all. And I feel like... Well,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that's the.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Reason why, is because you're caught in between the current
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: homeowners and the prospective homeowners, and they have opposite interests.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they do have opposite interests. And it does feel
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: like that even people like J.D. Vance, who I know
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: has been very conscious of this stuff, I know he
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: was out there having suggesting that maybe we need to
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: have some sort of a dividend or a stipend for
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: moms who stay home to raise their own kids, which is.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I like anything that's pro-natalist and maybe that's how it
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: would work out if you, I haven't seen the models
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and I imagine we could have reasonable models, try to
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: figure out if that's true. But I got to say
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that I would feel a little hosed in that because
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: we banked big on this is the system, this is
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the way it works, it's the people who do the
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: best have two working parents. And so we found a
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: very nurturing role for the more nurturing of the two
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: of us. And she is that role in the community.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And just like, you know, we would have got paid
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: for it and not have a job is just, It
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like that's it to me. It's the, I
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: like the thought, we got to start thinking about stuff,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: but are there any solutions that are out there? Is
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: anyone talking seriously about this stuff in a way that
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: isn't retarded?
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think like.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: What he's gesturing toward is like kind of something more
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: like symbolic than literally paying, like I think it was
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: like $ 9, 000 a year per kid or something, which isn't,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: you know, as we can just discuss, like isn't a
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: real amount of money for raising a family. I mean,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: it can be, but it's like very- It's a very
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: basic incentive. You know, I don't know that that replaces like.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: A woman having a full-time job.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: But, you know, I think what he's gesturing at symbolically is,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: you know, creating a system where we are using our
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: tax code and our government to incentivize behavior we want.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: And I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I think for a long time, conservatives either wanted to
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: pretend shrink government, which was never happening and has never happened,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: or they wanted to see government as.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: A neutral force that That's just.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: There that has no morality and no will, which obviously
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: isn't the case. And, you know, we have tons of
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: like our laws are an example of that.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: We don't like legislate arbitrarily.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: We legislate based on like shared values in our society
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and the things that we want to incentivize and the
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: things that we want to prohibit.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: And curb. So we do that all the time.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: So he's trying to insert a new virtue that our
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: government is going to try to push people in the
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: direction of, which is child rearing and having children.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: So I think that that's probably like what he means.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: It's like more of like a, yeah, it's like a symbol,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: but that's what the symbol is. It's like, let's use
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: government to force people to act in a way that
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: we want them to, and that's to have children. And
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it'll de-radicalize people from the left,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: but it's just not the way. Like $ 9, 000 isn't going
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: to be the way. I don't know what the solution is.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I pay, as I've said in the show many times,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: but no one solves the problem. No one cares about
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the problem. I have to pay full-time help because my
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: wife and I work. And even though she owes a
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: bunch of money in student loans, so that's our second
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: biggest check every month behind mortgage is her student loan payment.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And we both work full-time. And we have four children.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: And part of that means because I have a full-time
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: domestic associate, shall we say, a nanny, that's full-time. And
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I'm only allowed to write off the taxes that she pays.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: So I cannot write her off. If I lied to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the government and called her, you know, the head of
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: research for my research company, then I could write off
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the whole work. But I don't do that because that's dishonest,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: not true. So, uh, so I get penalized for that.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: And so they wouldn't even solve that. So it's the,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: then you're gonna give me $ 9, 000. Like if my wife
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: quits her medical job and stays home, that doesn't make
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: any sense. Also, where did JD meet his wife? Uh,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: was it Yale law school? Like, like was that, and, and, and, and, uh, look,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it's where you meet good, good spouses, places like that
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: is my wife's highly educated, more educated than me. So again,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: but I actually admire him for daring to say anything
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: because no one's even thinking about this much less. suggesting
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: anything but it is tough and we are not far
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: along on this and that is we're going to hemorrhage
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: voters um to whichever party will have the most stomach
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: to promise stuff they can't deliver and we know that's
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: not us we know that's the left who's way better
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: at that stuff Yeah, well, yes.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: And I don't think it needs $ 9, 000. There's other ways.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: The thing is, people don't consider what the real reasons are,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: or I should say what real hurdles are to having
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: children if you were to never change your life circumstance
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: and never become a homeowner again. What comes to mind
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: and something that I think about is educating them.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: If you live in a major city because you have
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: a job that's a good job because you live there,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: which is a reality for a lot of people. Somebody
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: like Ben Shapiro will get burned at the stake for
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: saying otherwise, but it's just true that sometimes you do
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: have to live in an expensive city. So let's say
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: you want to have kids in the city where you live.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of jobs in these expensive cities.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: And in fact, there's a lot of working class people
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: who are more, have less mobility. Some of the white
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: collar people have more mobility. Like I was just, and
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be doing some podcasting on this. I'm
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: sorry to cut you off. This is important. But on
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: a local landfill in my area, you want to work
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: at the landfill, which are good jobs, engineering jobs, not
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: just trash jobs. These are engineering jobs. You need to
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: go to the landfill. Like you can't virtually commute. Of course.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Like the people who live here tend to have jobs
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: that are here and they're better jobs for them or whatever. Anyway,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: you know, the hurdles, a big hurdle is the fact
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: that the schools are unusable and they're mostly unusable because of.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Obviously the unions and crime.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of crime that happened in city public
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: schools that we refuse to enforce because it's like racist
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: or something. You know, if public schools were usable in
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: the city and school fees didn't range from $ 30, 000 to
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: $ 70, 000 a year per child, which is what they are
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: for private school in L.A. and New York City, maybe
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: people would be more willing to start thinking about, you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: just putting kids in an apartment.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: And just sending them to school and it being fine.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: But there has to be this exorbitant fee to just
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: basically uh let them start their life in the most
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: basic level that it freaks people out um i know
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: multiple cases where it's just totally freak people out because
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: they don't believe that they can uproot their life to
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: go to a place where a district is you know
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: a little better uh and then they can't imagine sending
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: their kids to the public schools which are like dangerous
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: and then they also can't fathom how they can afford
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: 50 let's say thousand dollars a head per kid so
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: You know, something like that, I think, could be, if
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: you're going to create, like, use the government to create incentives,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: it's like, how about, like, start, like, prosecuting crime?
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be nice.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: And maybe revisit whether people have incentive to bring kids
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: into an environment.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Okay. We might need, there's one politician who might be
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: able to get us out of this jam. There's only one.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: And his name is Hunter Biden, who was, might be
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: running for president. You see, this is so, it's really
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: funny how the, these cycles go on and it shows
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: how long I've been in the news business is that
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I've been calling half tongue in cheek for Hunter Biden
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: to be in the presidential ticket for so many years. Emma,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: it's gotta be close to a decade. I once called
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: for a Biden, Biden ticket. I thought that would be
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: pretty cool. I'm not telling you who should be the top. Yeah,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: that was their, And as the only cool Democrat, and
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: now I think he's the lamest Democrat around, but he
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: said he may have to run for president. I don't
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: know why he would feel like he would be a
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: good fit for that. So here's some of the stuff
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: he's up to. He's the only one who gets it. Yeah,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: he gets it. Here's a clip of a post from
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: him on the Everything app, which was formerly known as
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: a tweet. He's making fun of Don Jr., who apparently
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: a Russian oligarch friend paid for parts of Don Jr.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: 's wedding that he had recently or parts of the reception.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: And he says Don Jr. needed a Russian oligarch, two
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: islands and a firework show. I just got married on
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: the rooftop of an apartment building in West Hollywood. It
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: was so much cooler. And so, again, remember, he's a
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: deadbeat dad who kept his baby mama, at least one
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: of them, on his payroll, even though he would not
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: acknowledge to the public she existed. He does not acknowledge
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: their kid together. Um, he also had a sexual relationship
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: with his brother's widow, like really close to after when
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: his brother died, even though they were allegedly best friends.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: So this guy does not have what's known as sexual
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: morals at all. Uh, and he should not be commenting
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: on anyone's relationships in family values, but he does this.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: And this is the woman who he said he loved
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: on the first date. I think that we covered on
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: our long podcast. Yeah.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: It was the first time he saw her.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: The first time he saw her, he said he loved her. Uh,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: what was your reaction to this? to this post i mean.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I actually i got married on the roof of my
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: apartment um so same uh but yeah so this is
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: like so amazing because it literally was posted the exact
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: same week that he did a rug pull that he
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: tried to say wasn't a rug pull that i'm convinced
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: was maybe even a little bit of fraud uh because
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: he so he started this shit coin again proper noun
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: um i'm not swearing It is a term for a
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: crypto coin that is worthless and that the person who
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: creates it basically buys up a lot of the coin
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: ahead of its launch or right at its launch, jacks
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: up the price, creates hype around it to get other
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: people to buy it in to further inflate the price,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: and then sells off a lot. lot of it all
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: at once to basically cash in in like a very short,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: like 24 hour period and leave everybody else holding the bag.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: So that was what he had done.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Literally like 48 hours or something before this was posted
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: about how down to earth he is and like, chill
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: he is and right you know uh totally above board
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: and also like a monk and so just in case
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: anyone needed like a little more of the picture around
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: this tweet that is the context in which it was
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: posted and i just can't stand him because whatever you
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: know look i'm not gonna comment on um.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Whatever that story on ProPublica was. I don't know about it.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: But all I know, I do know about Hunter Biden
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: because I have his laptop actually in the drawer right
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: next to me where I'm sitting right now. And to
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: say that he's unfamiliar with Russian oligarchs is.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Very funny. That's a very funny joke.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine why he would think to wade into
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: this and call attention to And force everyone to remember
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the fact that he was hanging with oligarchs and he
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: was hanging with oligarchs in multiple countries at a time,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: but he was too retarded and crack addicted to think
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: to charge properly for the people he was hanging out with.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that also came up in our last Deep Dive
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Hunter podcast that may be evidence that he's not a
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: genius is that he could have got way more money
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: out of the people.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: A million bucks and your dad's the vice president.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: But to circle back on the first thing you said,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I do think I'm in the camp. I think I
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: would have preferred Hunter's wedding to Don Jr. 's, but
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I do think that's a hard wiring. And I think
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: that if Hunter could have pulled off a wedding like
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Don Jr. 's, I think he would have done it. So,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: but I do agree with you.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a Don Jr. He'd been trying like
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: that's the thing about the Bidens that you know better
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: than anyone. And you wrote about this in your book,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Breaking Biden, where like.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: For generations, their whole like reason for existence has been
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: striving to be like the people who they admire, who
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: are rich. That's their entire MO is striving to be
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: rich because that's something that they see as an admirable
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: quality or lifestyle.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've been trying to do a dive. I
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: haven't spent a lot of showtime on it because I
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: don't see really what to do about it yet, but
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I'll bring it up briefly here. I've been spending some
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: time on the alleged Trump corruption that goes on, and
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of Trump business deals that are going on,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: some of which I have zero problem with, some of
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: which I think are not good looks. But overall, it
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: doesn't sound like they're doing anything illegal. And I listened
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: to a really big podcast on The New York Times,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: which I think was a Harvard professor, was kind of
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: presenting a bunch of anti-Trump evidence. But he ultimately concluded,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think they got him on anything. They just
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: got him on, obviously, the family members are taking advantage
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: of their perch. But, you know, they tried to shoot
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: their dad. They tried to put them all in jail.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be me who's going to be
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the one who's going to spend a lot of time
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: investigating them. But I do raise it as a thing
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: that politically, the Democrats think they have a winner framing
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: up the Trumps as the corrupt family. And the fact
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: that Hunter Biden is getting in on it is pretty
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: delish as the face of the Biden family corruption. Well, exactly.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: And that's, but you know, like, it's probably not illegal
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: the same way what Hunter was doing was technically not illegal.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: And we've been saying this, I mean, for like years
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: that there should be a law passed, which they'll never
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: do because it would decimate the entire city of Washington
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: and surrounding zip codes, you know, that no one who
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: is a blood relative or a spouse is allowed to
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: do business in Washington either, like, you know, or whatever,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: you know, you would have to frame it obviously more specifically,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: but you know, that's, that's the loophole that they all
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: get around is that like bribery is illegal, but your
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: son getting all kinds of deals all of a sudden,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: once the father is in office is not illegal because
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: the son is the son and the father is the
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: father and the law distinguishes between them. Um, you know,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: but the thing is like, that's, that is anything that
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: the Trumps are doing, you know, I don't know what
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: the details are, but It's totally— this is not invented by
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Don Jr.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Or anyone.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: And frankly, it hasn't been invented by Hunter.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: He was just poorly following in the footsteps of an
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: age-old tradition in Washington, which is that the sons of
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: whoever has some office somewhere makes a lot of money
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: and gets into the industries in Washington that exist for
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: the sake of basically enriching everybody who lives there and
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: nothing else. So this is like, you know— As American
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: as apple pie, unfortunately. And Hunter has taken part in
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: it just as much. He's tried to do it better,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: failed because he can't do anything right, and is honestly
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: just total degenerate.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe Don Jr. is doing it better. I don't know.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe him and Umar really are friends.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: But, you know, Umar seems great. He buys you, like, fireworks,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: which is epic. So I'd be his friend, actually, immediately.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I think he also rented one of the islands, which
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: is like— Umar, aloha to AlexMarlow.com.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Who's saying no, actually? Yeah, reach out. Yeah, so, you know,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: But this is all totally commonplace, and it's nauseating, yes.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: But we have uncomfortable truths we must face about our
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: political system. Maybe Hunter Biden will run for president and
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: fix it.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you, Don Jr. right now is polling
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: second in all the presidential polls. So if J.D. ever
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: decided he doesn't want to run, then Don Jr. could
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: be like the frontrunner for 2028. And I like Don
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: quite a bit, first of all. Super based. But I
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: want to see influencer Bettina Trump to be the first lady. Like,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I could get down with that. I think that would
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: be pretty amusing. And I don't say entirely tongue-in-cheek. I
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: think it would make the left's head explode, and I
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: find that also to be absolutely delish. Okay, let me...
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I got one more Hunter clip. This is him. Now
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: he's a very serious thought leader, by the way.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: He always is.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: From his busy schedule of... Remember, last week we were playing, he's...
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: On the live show I played that he's a 48% gay,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: which is... So he said that... So let's see his...
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Intelligent commentary for the week.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Everyone that has looked at this over the course of
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: since October 7th event, which was horrific, horrific. And Hamas
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: is horrific as as looked at it. And they've said
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: this is that they knew. They knew what was coming,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: and they allowed it to happen for the purposes of
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: being able to execute on a plan that no one
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: would have ever, ever given them the green light to
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: do without it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: That is certainly a horrific thought.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: He's in the podcaster space and now is doing the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: thing that the podcasters do, which is pretend to have
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: some sort of privileged knowledge based on his astute observations
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: that BB conspired.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: To do October 7th. Of course.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Look, there are legitimate questions about how that security failure
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: happened if which was a catastrophic security failure. I don't
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: think any sane person would say otherwise. That was not
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: a moderate moment. But who is this?
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Like, what is he? Who is this?
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Hunter Biden knows?
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I am. I think that it's a very it is
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: a good point that you don't need to entirely dismiss
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: that the. security was really bad. But also, you know,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: we got a major national security apparatus that missed two
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: planes driving into our Twin Towers. And it's like, this
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: is like, Clinton said their whole administration, Bush, had a
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: good eight months to try to figure out if any
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: of this is happening. And, you know, they almost, they
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: hit our Pentagon. And it's like, we know deterrence at
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: all for that. So, you know, it's not like, it's
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: not possible that a terror attack can't happen but it
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: is i always enjoy when hunter biden while podcasting from
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: you know tucker carlson's main cabin or from uh a
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: rooftop in la like he's gonna be the one who
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: gets to the bottom of it i just i always
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: find that to be so amusing the sanctimoniousness of the podcaster.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Yes exactly they just think that they have like they
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: they get it they get it and they just have
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: to explain it to you but it's so clear.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah and i'm not saying that we got the best
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: explanation i'm not i'm not saying that hunter who's going
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: to run for president on his platform of marriages i
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: didn't even show you am i even make light of
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: this i should have he's got a uh there's a
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: skull and crossbones there's a jolly roger on his belt
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: in here i don't know if misty's able to zoom
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: in but there's like a little Jolly Roger on the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: belt in this, in this image, this wedding image. Um,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: so it, it is, it really is. It really is
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: something that that's, that's where I was Hunter.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Um, a couple other ones that I want to touch
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: on in the time we have remaining, um, the, the, I,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't pull the photo. Um, but I, because I
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: made an error, um, in prep here, but, There's a
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Lizzie Clancy photo that was submitted as evidence of her
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: allegedly slitting her wrists. They're literally one arm. So I
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: don't know what the second arm is. And there was
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: a bloody knife. So the bloody knife, I don't know
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: what that was. That was from what got the knife bloodied.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: um but what i i don't know but it does
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: seem like based on this image that she had a
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: couple of like fork stab marks in her arm it
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: did not look like necessarily that this was a sincere
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: suicide time she did jump out of her her second
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: story which is kind of dumb it doesn't seem like
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: that would be if i was trying to off myself
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: like that it seems more likely if i was trying
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: to you know, get away from one of my kids
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: swinging a baseball bat at me. I jumped from the
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: second story. That wouldn't be my preferred choice for actually
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: turning off myself.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: You're just like, you're trying to like break your leg.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's like, I'm trying to like make sure
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: that I spray, turn an ankle like that. That would
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: be the move. She did that, which is dumb, but
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: maybe sincere. I don't know. But this is an alarming
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: image because this is a pretty weak effort. This is
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: supposed to be some sort of effort of suicide. Yeah,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I found that so fascinating. I put it in, I
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: threw it in the notes.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've been compiling those notes, to be fair,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: because we were off for two weeks, so I've been
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: compiling them for a while.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: But I just found that so interesting.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: And the more that I watch this case, I have built,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: as being a podcaster, I've built my own expert theory
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: on Lindsay Clancy and now will proclaim to know the.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Truth of.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: What was going on in the deepest recesses of her
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: mind while she was murdering.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Her three children. which is, you know, I can't help.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, aside from like this, the pure evil, some
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: things about this are really interesting to me. And I
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: wonder if like, first of all, I thought that the
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: suicide attempt was interesting. Like, I'm just trying to organize
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: how I want to present this, but I thought the
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: suicide attempt was interesting because it looks so fake. And
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I saw some people speculating that she was just kind
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: of doing it for attention because after she had murdered
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: her kids, she had to make it look like, you know,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: she had tried to kill herself so that, Maybe she
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: would get a reduced sentence or something.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Or sympathy or whatever.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: And I thought it was not that. I thought it
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: was ambivalence about killing herself because her survival instinct is intact,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: as all human beings have. It's like, you know, if
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: you stand up right now, like if you're listening to
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: the show, stand up right now and try to fall
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: on your face. like try to fall face down and say,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: I am intentionally not trying to fall on my face.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: You can't do it.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Your leg is going to extend out or your hands
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: will extend out to break your fall. It'll happen like
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: every single time. You cannot intentionally fall on your face.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: And I think that that probably happened here where I
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: think she probably, I mean, I'll take it face value
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: because I have no reason to think otherwise that she
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: was genuinely trying to kill herself. But I also think
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: that there was this competing instinct of I can't kill
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: myself because I have to survive because I'm a human
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: being and that's part of my wiring is to survive.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: We have a very strong biological instinct there. So I
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: thought that this was interesting and maybe I have a
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: less cynical take. I also have a less cynical take
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: about the murder itself because I think that especially after
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: thinking about the mass support that she's received from the
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: army of foids who are claiming that she's just like
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: us and we totally relate and all of this makes
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: total sense to us and she did the natural thing
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: that you do. I think that she, or at least
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I think this is the interpretation that's being had by
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: these women, aside from the feminist lens that they view
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: her through, that they've all been inculcated in that ideology
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: for the last, like, probably 20 years of their life.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: But I think that she... When you're neurotic, everything has
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: to go in the way that you need it to go.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: And if it doesn't, you have to... Like, that will create...
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: escalating intensity in the way you feel in a situation
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: and um i think that that i don't know if
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: it was her per se like again i you can't
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: discount just pure evil being possessed by some sort of
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: demon or something but i at least think that the
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: way that they relate to her is because these women
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: are just totally neurotic and i think that there's a
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: non-insignificant percentage of women who um you know, are the
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: same kind of like careerists, feminists. This is like a
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: personality trait among them where it's like, they're extremely not
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: necessarily type a and that they're like clean and tidy,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: but they have demands of the world around them and
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: of themselves that are extremely, um, um, high standard and rigid.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: And as you know, you have young kids and I
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: have young kids and you look at them and it's like,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: you're not getting them into that like program.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Um, and, and, Right, right.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: And I have to relate to them as a toddler
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: or you can escalate in anger toward them for not
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: getting on the program that you want for this day
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: or for this behavior or for this meal. And every
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: time they don't do it, you can either let it
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: go and love them or you can get angry at
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: them and build resentment and build escalation of anger inside yourself.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: And I wonder if like, you know, Again, I feel
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: like describing it this way almost like minimizes the act
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: and the evil of it. And I don't mean to
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: do that, obviously. I've said a thousand times on the
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: show that it was just pure demonic action. But I
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: wonder if like the psychological or something like precipitous for
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: it was just her being this like nutty woman who
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: couldn't accept that she couldn't correct, you know, in her
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: perception what her kids were. And that at a certain
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: point it became, if they don't do what I say,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: then I'm gonna, you know, which is how crazy, you know,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: people who are escalating speak and then eventually execute.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: And that the women.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Who follow her have the same way about them. Yeah,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like that was anything that was close
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: to what the defense offered. It sounds like what the
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: defense offered was.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Well, they can't say that because that says basically I
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: wanted to kill my kids because they drove me insane.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: She has to say, no, I had no control over
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: my behavior unless she wants to rot in jail for
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: the rest of her life.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: I think the postpartum psychosis claim is absolutely absurd. Of course.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: And then that said, it's like.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: So, you know, you relieve the stress that is producing
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: that escalation, and then you say, okay, well, now I
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: have to go kill myself.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: But your survival instinct doesn't really let you.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what is interesting here is because the—
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: the argument that was put forward by the defense is
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: that she had complete control of her faculties when it
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: came to carrying out the execution and distracting the husband
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: but she was totally psychotic when it came to the
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: the urge to kill and yet also she got regained
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: her faculties and she's trying to kill herself to the
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: point where again they're her and i totally accept that
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: there's it must be challenging to kill yourself it's the
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: it's not something i've tried but i imagine just there
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: are a lot of physical mental hurdles to doing that.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's an easy thing to do for
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: a number of reasons. So I buy that she wasn't
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: that psychotic, but isn't that the whole point of the
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: argument is that she had no decision-making ability aside from, but, but,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: but she had the decision-making ability in all elements of
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: her life other than the slaughtering of the children.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: And that's probably.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: More like she had so much decision-making ability that it,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: that it, that it became the thing that, like, you know,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: that was the exact trait that led to this behavior.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, like, I guess, like, you know,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I think that part of the obsession around this case
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: for so many people is, like, at least for me,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: is because the justification that they've given for this act
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: that is so crazy, to say the least, does not
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: hang together. The whole thing doesn't hang together. And any observer...
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: who's trying to understand this in earnest and with an
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: open mind can't look at that and say that makes
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: sense it's impossible so then what happens is your brain
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: starts turning it over over and over again trying to
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: make sense of it because it's such an extreme act
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: that it's like you especially if you have kids it's
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: like you need to understand like how did that happen
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: and the justification you're giving is so is so insufficient
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: for something so extreme that it like puts your mind
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: into almost like an obsessive.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: Loop trying to square it.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: And I think that that's what is going on on
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: social media with all these people, millions of people weighing
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: in and trying to flesh it out and trying to understand.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: It's like it does something to your brain that makes
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: you kind of nuts in getting obsessed with trying to
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: relate to it in some way because the explanation is
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: so drastically beneath what actually happened.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's close with a little chaser here.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, no, no, no. We have to give it.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Alex, please let us break your rule of one hour
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: or you get retarded because I'm dying to talk about
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: the AI stuff.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: I think this is such an interesting issue. It's a
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: political issue that is so important to me.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Or at least I think is an important issue as
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: somebody who used to be an editor. I would decide
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: that that was a homepage issue.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to decide, this is funny, we'll work this
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: out in real time. What is the, if you're a
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: podcast consumer and I'm doing a sample size of exactly
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: two people because I can't focus group anyone else at
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: the moment, would you rather have one episode that's an
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: hour and 20 minutes, let's say, or would you rather
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: have me, because I've got a 20 three-minute interview I'm
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: sitting on. I'm trying to figure out what to do.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Should I release that by itself? Or should we do
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: a second interview? And so there's two Emma Jo episodes,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: but one of them is just shorter. That feels dumber
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: to me, but I don't really know. There's probably... Someone's
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: probably done this math before. What is the length of
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: podcast that people click on?
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: Is it.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe it is. Maybe people like an hour and 20.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll roll for it. Okay, so AI.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I would imagine the conversation, what makes me stay with
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: a podcast is the conversation's interesting. When it gets boring, like,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: you know, the reason why the Hunter Tucker one made
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: me want to shoot myself by like 40 minutes was
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: because the conversation had really died, but they were like,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Like they were just resuscitating.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: It for the sake of time. Yeah. But that was
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: where it got really good for me because I really
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: realized how Hunter just is absolutely nothing. Okay. Informative in
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: a different way. All right. Let's do some AI. I've
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: been speaking all week about AI, so I think we
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: can do this in an efficient manner, largely because I
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: think I've said what I need to say this week
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: on the subject, and I'll have more to say next
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: week on it. But I will open with a... I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: will open with, it feels like I've never seen such
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: smart people sound so retarded in my life. I feel
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: like everyone is messaging horribly on AI. So what do
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: you think the real stories are right now as the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: doomerism has broken contained this week?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that this is, you know, it's funny
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: when something, who did that quote? Like, if something doesn't
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: make sense, it's probably not true. Um, this is an
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: example of that in that.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going to use AI to try to figure that
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: out while you're talking.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Throw up tragic, anthropic, throw up Claude. Um, but, uh,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense because it's not what it appears.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: I think this is a total op and this is
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: actually a different take. Well, it's not a different take
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: than the one you've had on radio all week, um,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: which I've been listening and I've been really curious on
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on this. I was like keenly awaiting you
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: to come back from vacation because I wanted to hear
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: your AI, uh, um um assessment but or at least
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: for this news cycle um you were talking about like
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: open versus closed we're like right now it's open and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: big giants in ai like anthropic and open ai the
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: ones who are getting on the band bandwagon with this
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: guy jacob coxon i think his name is um who
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: has come out as the whistleblower about anthropic and the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: danger of ai and the frontiers of ai um so
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: so uh It's in their interest to have a closed system,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: I guess. What's the term that you used?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so closed-weight and open-weight. Open-weight is the ones where
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: there's going to be access for the public is going
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: to be able to do this, can edit it, can
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: take advantage of it in a lot of ways, the models.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Whereas the closed-weight is sort of a black box for
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: the people who are already founders. Well, right, exactly.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: So I think that that's true, but I think that that's, um, one, like,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: like one aspect of it that, um, doesn't include the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: whole picture about why they're doing this. Um, and I
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: think that the full picture has a philosophical basis. No,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I think it, it does. Um, and it's really interesting
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: and you haven't spoken about it on your show yet.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: So that's like, I guess, like one of the practical
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: outcomes that they're looking for. Um, And the second one, obviously, is,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: you know, if the government, it's the same as the banks, actually,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: which you also brought up on your show, I think, where,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: you know, if the government makes these like reams of
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: regulations of a certain industry, it makes it virtually impossible
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: for a small company to enter the industry because they
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: simply can't hire enough lawyers and compliance officers to keep
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: up with all the regulation. So it allows people like
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: OpenAI and Anthropic to basically remain the only real companies
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: doing this because they're the only ones who can manage
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: the burden of the regulations and actually navigate them with
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: enough competent lawyers on staff. So those are, I think,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: the two practical outcomes that they seek in the doomerism
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: and in creating panic. But I think then from there,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: what they want to do is obviously become the most
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: powerful companies in the world, which allows them to obviously
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: make the most money, but then.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: To employ what is called effective altruism. Do you know
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: that term?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. Yeah, we discussed it a bit at
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: the show with Winton. Okay, right.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: So this is like their religion.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Effective altruism is, yes, yeah, this was in Winton's book,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: and I think that this is what originally set off
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: my antenna to like not being a doomer on AI
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: because I saw it immediately, which is that basically effective
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: altruism is like a quasi-religious ideology that seeks maximum control
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: over every human being's life because if we can control
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: the way people act, then we can effectively maximize the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: amount of good in the world, which is what effective
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: altruism seeks to do. And that's why it is like
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: a sort of religion because it moves from philanthropic giving
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: because you want to spread good To making philanthropic giving
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: almost like treating it as a business where you must
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: maximize efficiency of each dollar given to philanthropy. And what
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: that ends up turning into in its logical conclusion is
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: just control over what people can do because then you
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: can make them good. And then you minimize harm and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: maximize altruism. And that's what effective altruism seeks to do.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: And so this is a really interesting thing. It's a
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: new thing that people aren't really talking about. And it
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: puts Soros, frankly, to shame in how destructive it is
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: in terms of, you know, billionaire advocacy. So Anthropic is
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: run by Dario Amadei.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: Is that his name?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: So his sister is a woman named Daniela Amadei, and
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: she's an executive at Anthropic as well. Basically everyone, and
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: this is something that needs to be serious on Breitbart and,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe if I can take a week off
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: or something, I'll write a story or two about it
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: because it takes time and it's very, um, but it's, it's,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: it's extensively documented. Just nobody has really compiled it into
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: one story that I've seen. Um, Daniela Amadei. So every
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: anthropic is littered with effective altruists. This has been going
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: on for years. Actually, in Daniela Amadei's wedding website, you know,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: some people make like a website for their wedding where
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: people like RSVP and like their registry and see the
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: theme of the wedding and stuff like that. This site
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: has actually been taken down, but it's still available on
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Wayback Machine. So, you know, this has to be on Breitbart.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going to like call Winton after we get off
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: the show. But, um, so her wedding website is still
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: available on Wayback Machine. And she is married to a
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: guy named Holden Karnofsky. And he is the co-founder of, um,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: GiveWell and Open Philanthropy, which are like the two big
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: effective altruism organizations. And, um, On their wedding website, in
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: the themes.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Section, which is so weird, by the way. These people
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: are so weird.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: The wedding website is filled with these weird pictures of
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: stuffed animals that they love. All these stuffed animals that
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: they love. It's like the freaks in Silicon Valley. It
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: cannot be overstated. But there's a little tab on their,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: a little section on their wedding website called Effective Altruism.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: And they say, we are both excited about effective altruism
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: using evidence and reason to figure out how to benefit
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: others as much as possible and taking action on that basis.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: For gifts, we're asking for donations to charities recommended by GiveWell,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: an organization Holden, her husband, co-founded. So this is an
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: executive at Anthropic. This is the sister of the CEO
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: of Anthropic.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Saying this.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: And, you know, Dario Amadei also shared an apartment with
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: this guy Holden, who is his brother-in-law, the husband of
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: his sister, who is this executive at the company. Anthropic
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: founder Ben Mann wrote a blog called Why I Now
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: Identify As An Effective Altruist. These people are absolute freaks,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: and they are the people who are running Which is
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: at the epicenter.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: Of this new fear that like we're all going to die.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: What happens, I asked our audience, every time we're told
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: we're all going to die, what happens is you lose
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: your rights and someone who knows better than you now
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: has to tell you how to not die. And that's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: exactly what's going on here. This is literally their ideology,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: and it's not even like their political ideology. It's like
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: their spiritual ideology. And that is absolutely the end goal
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: of this. I mean, the first order goal is to
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: get control of AI for themselves, and fence out anyone
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: who wants to be an upstart in that industry and
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: perhaps utilize that technology for their own end. And then
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: the second step is, To exert control over the masses,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: which is how they see you.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's, I think, pretty much in line with Winton's,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Winton writes in Code Red. He covers Karnofsky quite a bit,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: and he does frame up the effective altruist movement as
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: really an influence. play and very much a similar model
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: to the climate change model that, again, today as we're
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: having this conversation, this will be a day or two
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: before this comes out. But I mentioned on the live show.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: how the UN is now in on it, and they
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: think they need to have a big, robust part of
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: framing up the global governance. And you saw who Dario
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Amadei put forward as the people who should be on
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: the initial panel to determine what AI safety is. It
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: is his sister, and it's her, Daniela, and her husband,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Holden Karnofsky. So these are the people who are, it
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: is a cult-like thing. It's super scary. The question, I guess, Emma,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: that's most interesting, especially for people who are above midwit
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: level intelligence on this, is it feels like, ironically, partially
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: because of AI, but also because so many of us
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: stay online so much, it really does feel like we
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: can sort this out faster. It feels like people say,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, we see this as a game here,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: this is a power play, and we've been down this
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: road too many times. I don't know if I see
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: anyone falling for this. I don't see anyone who's looking
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: at Dario Amadei as if he's some sort of immoral person.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: deacon and it feels like a lot of people think
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: he seems like a total goofball.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: Well that's it thank god you know we've been made
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: wise to this play like you said climate change was
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: the first time they they whatever the first time this
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: tactic was tried covid was another time this tactic was
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: tried it kind of worked both times um at least
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: to varying degrees and in various you know levels of
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: society but This time, it's a third time. You're not
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: going to fall for that again. The language is too similar.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: And that's why I think everybody is looking at these people,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: let alone the fact that they're just weirdos. You know,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Clavicular went to the All In Summit. This is what
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: makes me think of it. Clavicular went to the All
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: In Summit. I don't know if you saw his report
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: of how it went, but I saw not only his
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: report of how it went, but other people who were
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: there were posting about this confirming Clavicular's version of events.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: where basically he goes to this event of people who
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: he calls BC cells, aka venture capitalist obsessives and like nerds.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: He goes to this event and they're much richer than him,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: but he's much hotter than them.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: And he walked into the after party and he said he...
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: I won't quote him.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Exactly because it's a bit crass, but he basically left
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: with the hottest girl at the party despite being the
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: poorest guy there. Because everybody in that space, in the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Silicon Valley space, in the VC space, in the AI space,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: are just such weirdos. And it doesn't help that not
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: only are people wise to like this, like, performance that
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: we're all going to die or whatever. But the messengers
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: are just really cringe and really unlikable. There's like negative charm.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: And so it doesn't help. I mean, at least Al
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Gore was a politician.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: So he had this kind of polished way about him.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Whereas these guys just like crawled out of the basement
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: at Anthropic and all of a sudden are in front
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: of a TV screen and it's like the lights hurt
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: his eyes.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's some of these guys so interesting because some
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: of these guys have negative RIS and you look at the,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: and you look at the, some of them who are
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: really hitting their stride now, you know, in their early
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: to late 40s is sort of the range and they've
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: got no social skills, it appears, and they just have
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: been on a computer for their entire adulthood because again,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: this is where internet becoming a big thing when they're
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: teenagers and these guys have just been I've spent a
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: lot of time on the internet. These guys have dwarfed
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: the amount of time I've spent on the internet. And, um, there,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: it just, I do find that pretty interesting and it's
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: going to hurt them because I think the people are
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: just not inclined to it. It's the, it's the proverbial.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: So many examples of the me too movement. If it
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: was George Clooney making the type of passes at women
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: that we were hearing about, like it wouldn't have been harassment.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Like it would have just been cool for them, but it's,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: it's that, Some of these guys have no way with women.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: They have no ability to charm. They have no charisma.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: So it's really interesting to see if some of the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: least charismatic people on earth are going to get people
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: to follow them into this totally new era that we're
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: just beginning to comprehend.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: It's like nobody's following for it. Trump already tweeted like
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: seven times being like.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: This is no, like, no, we're not doing whatever these
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: people are talking about.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Department of War is like tweeting out
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: these memes that are saying, which are very good, actually,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Americanism over effective altruism. So they have them nailed on
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: exactly what they're doing and exactly what the philosophy is
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: behind all of these propositions. And then the people who
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: are advocating for it are just the least likable people
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: on earth.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: And we've talked about this with regard to data centers.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: Where you don't want to put too much weight on
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: the messenger because sometimes.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: You can be distracted by that and actually miss, you know,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: the point. But in this case, the point is ugly.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: And then the person stating it is stating it in
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: a way that grates on you.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: An ugly person making.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: An ugly point.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: This was a shot and a miss.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: I'm grateful for it because it's so sinister.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: So I have a, we're doing way, way, way more
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: content on this, and I'm sure I'm going to come
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: up again, but I still can't believe that this guy,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Dario Amadei, a negative Riz figure, coming out and saying
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: there's a fairly decent likelihood that my technology is going
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: to destroy all of civilization, but I need the government
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: to step in for me to slow down. Like, I
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: want to slow down, but I can't unless the government
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: steps in. And you should also follow me in a
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. And also mostly my products. Great. It's
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: just like that. That was the messaging. Just going that
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: who signed off on this? Was there anyone else who
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: was in the room who said, listen, Dario, this is
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: not coherent. This is not going to gain the trust
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: of the people. This is actually going to make a
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: lot of people wise enough to the game, the power
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: play games you're making to try to get your effective
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: altruist stuff as the new religion of the moment.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. So mask off. But that's it.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: It's like the Occam's razor doesn't it doesn't pass the
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: Occam's razor test. It's like it doesn't really like hang together.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: And therefore it comes off as like a lie.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: All right, Emma, I promised a chaser at the end
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: of the episode, and now it's here. Now it's time
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: for Are You Sitting Down? I hope you are in
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: the audience because Sydney Sweeney is taking her top off
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: and her bottom off as well in this one, and
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: she has gotten everyone's attention yet again with her immaculate physique.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: And this is for a sports betting brand called Novig.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Let me roll the ad. Novig.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: Think you know sports?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: Prove it.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: Novick is just sports. So they wanted to show just sports.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: You can trade this sport and this sport. How about this?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: This sport too. Or this? Sports.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: Sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: You can't trade this. I just look in here.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: No betting on wars or deaths and no politics.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: Just you, your takes on sports.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, and so this was met with the requisite public
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: freak-out by all sorts of different people who also lack riz.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Some Olympian named Ariarn Titmus. Somewhat ironic there. Ariarn Titmus
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: calling it a kick in the face to every woman. Titmus,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: that does sound like a Christmas-themed erotic club. I gotta admit.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: But it's a... Ariane Titmuss is a kick in the
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: face to every woman who has dedicated her life to
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: perfecting her craft and infuriated her. A British sprinter named
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: Amy Hunt, still catching her breath after a 200-meter final,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: according to one report, told a BBC reporter that this
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: is what women in sports look like. And then she
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: apparently repeated her time and said she has muscles and
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: hard work. And I don't know. It's kind of sporty
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: for Sydney Sweeney to keep her body that tight. Like,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: is that really the dunk on her? But this is
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: the first time. People are just waking up to the
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: idea that Sydney Sweeney takes her clothes off to get attention.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: And it seems to work. And we're outraged about this.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: Your thoughts?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I quickly also like looked up like the
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: news on this ad of when you said that you
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: wanted to hit it on the show. And it was
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: like the first thing is like an AP thing. Female
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: athletes accused Sydney Sweeney ad of sexualizing women in sports.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: And I actually hadn't seen the ad until you just
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: played it. I mean, I could figure what it was,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: and it did pretty much end up being what I thought.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: But, you know, that's why people don't watch.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: This isn't me being like, saying a diss, by the way,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: this is just objectively true. People do not watch women's
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: sports and a million people or whatever have in the
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: last 24 hours watched this, which is the point.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like these people just are so, like,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: you wonder if they're just, like, intentionally obtuse because they're
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: trying to virtue signal, and you obviously can't have any
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: humor or lightness or joy when you're doing that.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: You can't.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, this is a commercial for sports betting, which
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: appeals to men, and what also appeals to men is
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: the image that we have next to us on screen.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: So the point was to market to men, and sex
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: does that. It's like, I feel like I'm talking to
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: like a kindergarten kid. It's like, OK, so today we're
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: going to talk about.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's like, yeah, the point is that it
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: objectifies women.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Let me roll through my points. I'll try to I'll
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: try to get more interesting ones at the end. But
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: it's just like to make obvious points. Of course, you're
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: trying to get men. Who's betting on sports? It's not women.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: It's not respecting women in sports. This is about convincing
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: men to sign up for gambling site. Second of all,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Sidney Sweeney is fun. That's part of what we like
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: about her. It's not that she's got big breasts. People
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: have always liked big breasts. We acted like we didn't
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: for 20 minutes. And we do do this from time
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: to time. We're like, oh, no, we're really into really
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: paper-thin models for 20 minutes. But a lot of that
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: is the modeling industry, which is run by gay men.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: That's sort of what it is.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, that's so smart.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: They make them into twinks. Yeah, every once in a while,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: every once in a while, we're told, no, the real
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: sex symbol is Timothee Chalamet. Like, he's the one, he's
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: really the same. I don't know about that.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: It's so smart.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: It's primal. This is literally lizard brain type stuff. It
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: shows female fertility. That's why we're attracted to it. And
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: that's not stopping. And she's smart enough to know that
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: if I can market this, I'm going to make tons
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: and tons of money. It's not going to last forever.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: It's a finite window when a woman can tone their
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: body to this level. And so she's taking advantage and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: she's way more fun than all of her haters. And
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: she's printing money. And what I don't get is that
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of these women's sports, if they were more fun,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: if they took themselves less seriously, I think we'd probably
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: watch more. But here's the main thing. We are so
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: overporned in our country. And we used to have the
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: America we all pine for, you know, the 80s, the 90s,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: things like that. There was a fair bit of sexual
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: titillation in mainstream content. But we weren't in this super
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: aggressive porn mode where every 14 year olds got access
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: to it on their phone, which is completely appalling that
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: we live in that world that I have to worry about.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: You know, I have an eight year old boy now
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: and I have to worry about how close we are
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: to me having to try to shield him from the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: just completely horrific stuff that's in every single phone and
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: our device. And that's not the discussion at all. It's
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: a city. Sweetie's under boob. And finally, final point, Emma,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: and then I promise you get to talk to you
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: in a second. The final point, the sports betting, that's
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: highly addictive and people are going completely broke on this.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: They think they can beat sports betting, beat sports books.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: People can't beat sports books. It's maybe 5% of people
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: if you're a genius and want to commit your life
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: to it. Everyone else is losing money and that's not
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: the outrage. People are getting addicted to this thing. They
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: think the problem is, oh, she's got a football over
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: her crotch. That's the problem.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's smart. And that's a good point. It's true.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: If anything objectifies female athletes, it's people obsessively betting over
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: every single thing they do and not watching because they
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: care about, you know, female athletic achievement, but because they
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: might make a thousand bucks. That's such a good point.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: But also, you know, it's so funny. Like I think
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: about this and like feminism has really done this weird
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: thing where like you know, in second wave feminism, the
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: whole thing was like kind of like sexual liberation and
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: like taking your bra off and burning your bra. I
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: don't know if you ever learned about that. That was
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: a thing. That was a huge symbol. And it was
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: like to say like, you know, we're not going to,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: let's say, conceal ourselves anymore because that is a demand
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: of men and a male-dominated society and female liberation is
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: burning your bra. And now all of a sudden we've
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: like come We've exhausted that, so it's like you have
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: to come back around to, how dare Sidney Sweeney show
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: her body? It's like, I'm sorry, what do they have
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: in Saudi Arabia that enforces Sharia law?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: That's what these women sound like, but they're, they're feminists.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: They're feminists.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: It's like, just to show what, what this movement has
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: come to. It's like, I thought we were supposed to celebrate, um,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: the liberation right now of Sydney Sweeney that I'm looking
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: at with her, uh, completely like she's completely naked except
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: for a football over her crotch. And like, I don't
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: know even what that's called. There's like a little thing
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: over her chest that is.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about a quarter of a t-shirt. It's a
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: freeze frame that we're looking at as we're recording. I
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: don't know what Missy's going to have up at this
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: point when she puts the show together.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, I.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Thought that this was a feminist icon. Yeah, but it's
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: like she's got a child's extra small shoulder pads on.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: It's hilarious. It's like legitimately funny. Are we allowed to
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: be funny? It's obviously titillating a lot of, particularly men,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: which is the cross-section that's going to use this thing
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: and why are we so prudish on this stuff and
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: then we're completely tolerant about so.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Much it's a huge vulnerability of the left i think
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: it's a big part of the reason why they're losing
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: the culture so badly now like we're really competing for
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: cultural dominance now and it's because of stuff like this
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: because you have these like hectoring like annoying women always
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: just like bursting into every time anyone who's like you
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: know remotely enjoying themselves. These women have to come in and, like,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: make sure you know what the microaggression is that you're
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: doing by looking at a hot woman or whatever.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, my God. Long live Sidney Sweeney.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: A couple other things I thought of that I think
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: are important here is that you mentioned the liberal women thing.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: This is really big. Sydney Sweeney right now is the
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: single biggest defender of Americana we've got in this country.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: And it's because she's MAGA adjacent. It seems like she's
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: got MAGA family members. I don't really know what her
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: politics are. I get the impression she's probably voting for
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  Speaker 1: Trump and Trump back candidates if she's bothering to vote.
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  Speaker 1: But she's completely state of politics, which is the right move.
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  Speaker 1: But she is unwilling to bend the knee to the
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  Speaker 1: woke mob. And that's got to drive them absolutely crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Second of all, next point is the outrage against Sidney
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  Speaker 1: Sweeney was significantly higher than the outrage against Lindsay Clancy.
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  Speaker 1: And that is 100% a fact.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you why.
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  Speaker 2: The outrage was always, it's always like this cohort of
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  Speaker 2: like psycho women. And the reason is because Sidney Sweeney
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  Speaker 2: is hotter than them, whereas Lindsay Clancy is mid. So
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  Speaker 2: we can support someone... We can support a mid who
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  Speaker 2: murdered her three children, but Sydney Sweeney doing a commercial
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  Speaker 2: that she's paid to do that, like, gestures at nudity
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  Speaker 2: is unacceptable.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 3: Because the critics don't look like this.
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  Speaker 1: Emma, did we cover the waterfront? I feel like we
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  Speaker 1: could do 20 more minutes on the Sydney Sweeney topless ad,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that... You have to.
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  Speaker 2: Know the female brain. The female brain is a very
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: interesting place.
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  Speaker 1: It certainly is. And it's interesting how I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I put this stuff together and I feel like it's
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  Speaker 1: I know I live and breathe the news every day,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like a news AI that I'm really good
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  Speaker 1: at pattern recognition, but it just does feel like it's
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  Speaker 1: got a dawn on something. Like, wait a minute, we're
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: freaking out. Like, which one of these are we freaking
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  Speaker 1: out over? The woman who strangled her kids as they
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  Speaker 1: ran away?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing matters more than whether someone is hotter than you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we're also not super outraged at the
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: ubiquitous porn that's ruining sex lives of all the normal people.
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  Speaker 1: um mainstream couples like all over the country and just
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  Speaker 1: we don't talk about it at all like we're not
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  Speaker 1: like we do we do no discussion on that and
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  Speaker 1: we but we're gonna do day after day on this
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  Speaker 1: it's the we're not doing any discussion the gambling like
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  Speaker 1: the gambling addictions and we're not doing that yeah we're
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  Speaker 1: doing no the under boob that's the issue the under
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  Speaker 1: boob that's what's so disrespectful all right um it's always
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: a pleasure when you're on the marlo show which runs
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  Speaker 1: just about every week and as well as your ex
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  Speaker 1: account is one of the best around at emma joe
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  Speaker 1: nyc for that one and if you need her consultancy
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: for beck and stone you can look her up i
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: think everything app is a good good place to start
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  Speaker 1: thank you emma thank you misty for putting this together
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  Speaker 1: go in peace to love and serve the lord