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How 'Still Hope' Brings Awareness to Trafficking and Recovery -- Director Richie Johns · Crosswalk Talk: Celebrity Christian Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Life Audio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Ritchie, thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, thank you so much. Michael, happy to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Richie John's a filmmaker director of the new movie Still
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  Speaker 2: Hope in theaters I Believe February, the fifth Steellholpe movie.
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  Speaker 2: Dot Com is the website. It tells the story of
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  Speaker 2: a teen girl who is sexually trafficked, rescued, and then
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  Speaker 2: returned home where she faces new challenges. Ritchie, this issue,
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  Speaker 2: of course, of trafficking, it's receiving more and more attention
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  Speaker 2: in our society, but perhaps not as much as it
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  Speaker 2: should receive. What drew you to this project? You want
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  Speaker 2: to why did you want to make this movie?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, The way the project happened is a total
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  Speaker 1: that's not odd. That's God's story. It's a phrase that
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  Speaker 1: my family and I use. I hohe people will you
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  Speaker 1: know say like, oh, that's a funny coincidence, or I
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  Speaker 1: isn't cool how that happened. Originally, And there was a
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  Speaker 1: group of filmmakers in Missouri that's actually where we shot
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  Speaker 1: the project that was trying to get this project going.
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  Speaker 1: Had a very clear vision to tell a story about
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  Speaker 1: traffic ea survivor. They partnered with the Ministry in Texas
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  Speaker 1: called Pure Hope Foundation, and that's where the stories came from.
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  Speaker 1: But basically they had started did a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: initial work of taking two different girls true stories, combining
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  Speaker 1: them into one character and craftiness journey of being abducted rescued,
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  Speaker 1: and then the second half of it, and this is
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  Speaker 1: what was really intriguing for me, is that the second
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  Speaker 1: half is focused on recovery. And so initially my wife
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  Speaker 1: and I were interviewing to produce it. We connected with
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  Speaker 1: executive producer Brent McMahon, and Brent had asked, after having
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  Speaker 1: a few different meetings, asked if I would consider directing,
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  Speaker 1: and so that was a huge honor and we built
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  Speaker 1: a great relationship and ultimately entrusted me to tell to
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  Speaker 1: tell the story, and so then you know, we dove
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  Speaker 1: in and so it was, yeah, it was heavy, you know,
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  Speaker 1: telling a story like this, but even though it is heavy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, it tells
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  Speaker 1: the true story of courage and hope, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: we want people to get to, you know, at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the phone, still hope.
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  Speaker 2: Like you said, stop at the Rescue, it continues a
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  Speaker 2: lot a lot of these movies stop at the rescue,
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  Speaker 2: it leans into the recovery restoration, which is it difficult
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  Speaker 2: for this young woman. The young woman's of course name
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  Speaker 2: is is Hope. What what made the filmmakers? What made
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  Speaker 2: you guys want to continue that story? Like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what what made you want to make it a story
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  Speaker 2: about her recovery and restoration?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, it's a good question. And there's
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  Speaker 1: been so many great films that kind of tell the
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  Speaker 1: first half, right, and you know, there's been some that
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  Speaker 1: kind of, you know, make it a little bit more action,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and sense the sensationalized elements of it. Right,
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  Speaker 1: some famous films out there, right that just kind of
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  Speaker 1: been or they take place internationally, and so for us,
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  Speaker 1: we had really a few different goals with telling the story. First,
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  Speaker 1: we wanted it to take place domestically, right, it takes
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  Speaker 1: place small Midwest, you know, perfect home, right, family, they
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  Speaker 1: go to church, how the movie starts, and so one
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  Speaker 1: of the biggest things is we wanted to communicate that
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  Speaker 1: this can happen to anybody, especially the technology, and Hope
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  Speaker 1: meet somebody online and he isn't who he says he is,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how she gets abducted and there's an element
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  Speaker 1: of that that is true to one of the survivor's
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  Speaker 1: stories of just how innocently you can kind of fall
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  Speaker 1: into a world like this. Right, So that was the
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  Speaker 1: first part showing that can take place here in the US,
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  Speaker 1: any small town. It's a global issue, well certainly, but
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  Speaker 1: domestically it's a huge issue. And so the setup is
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  Speaker 1: always there, and you know, oftentimes it ends with the rescue.
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  Speaker 1: For us, we wanted to show, you know, what happens
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  Speaker 1: after the rescue. That's where the story really picks up.
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  Speaker 1: And so you know, showing that it's a long, complex
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  Speaker 1: road to recovery, that it's a journey. But where we
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  Speaker 1: get to at the end, which is years down the road,
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  Speaker 1: this is not a quick fix. Is that forgiveness is
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  Speaker 1: where true freedom was finally found, which is a powerful
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  Speaker 1: and very radical statement. Right, This element of forgiveness is
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  Speaker 1: radical and C. F. Lewis has a quote that you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a wonderful thing. And so you actually have to
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  Speaker 1: forgive somebody, right, Like it's easy to talk about it
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  Speaker 1: in the context of church or wherever, but when you
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  Speaker 1: like truly forgive somebody that has done terrible things, it
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  Speaker 1: is hard. But that's what we're called to with our faith,
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  Speaker 1: and so, yeah, the elements of forgiveness and being one
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  Speaker 1: of the central themes, but taking a look at the
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  Speaker 1: second half of this recovery was really intriguing and really
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  Speaker 1: powerful and it's impacted me and the heroes that inspired
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  Speaker 1: this story have been life changing. Richie.
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  Speaker 2: So many, so many movies today are simply for entertainment,
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  Speaker 2: and I sense that you want this movie to do
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  Speaker 2: more than just entertain It's difficult to call this movie entertaining,
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  Speaker 2: but it's very well made. What is your goal with
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  Speaker 2: this movie? What do you want it to do with
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  Speaker 2: audiences in terms of impacting what they're thinking about at
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  Speaker 2: the end?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it was created to educate, you know, kind
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  Speaker 1: of spoken to this, you know, for in the next
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  Speaker 1: generation to see how quickly it can and so to educate,
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  Speaker 1: to create awareness. But we want it to be a yeah,
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  Speaker 1: exactly how you said. It's more than a film. We're
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  Speaker 1: calling people to take action. Right, It's a global issue
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  Speaker 1: that you know, it's kind of universal that everybody agrees
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  Speaker 1: is terrible, right, Like it doesn't it's not a political issue,
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  Speaker 1: like sex trafficking is a cancer and it is terrible.
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  Speaker 1: But it's it's Still Hope was ultimately made to be
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  Speaker 1: a tool to create resources. That's why we created the
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  Speaker 1: Still Hope project that health resources and as partnered with
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  Speaker 1: ministries to mobilize viewers into action. And so, yes, it
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  Speaker 1: is a powerful story. It's a way for the Holy
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  Speaker 1: Spirit to also speak into individuals' lives. I feel very
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  Speaker 1: strongly that with the scenes, no matter previous people's experiences
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  Speaker 1: or trauma that they have been through, but hopefully there's
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  Speaker 1: an element of healing that can be no matter what
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  Speaker 1: issues they've dealt with. But it's you know, it's been
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  Speaker 1: a collective effort out of churches organizations to have this
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  Speaker 1: to be a tool to raise a larneness, to educate
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  Speaker 1: and then ultimate immobilize viewers into action. Well can you
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  Speaker 1: tell us about the story behind the film? I believe
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of.
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  Speaker 2: It says inspired by true events.
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  Speaker 1: What can we know about that? Yeah? Yeah, well that's hard.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to give too much away, you know.
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  Speaker 1: With that, what I will say is, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: both girls, you know, have to keep them anonymous because
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  Speaker 1: of the sensitive issue and some of the pro the
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  Speaker 1: cases were pretty high profile and so but each of
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  Speaker 1: them had a normal life. You know, one of them specifically,
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  Speaker 1: you know, came from a normal family, right, not not
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  Speaker 1: somebody that you know. I think some people think that
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  Speaker 1: people that find themselves in these situations kind of do
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  Speaker 1: it to themselves, or you know, it's like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: of course that's not at all the case. But the moment,
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  Speaker 1: there's a really powerful moment of how the rescue actually happens.
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  Speaker 1: There is an altercation and actually takes place in a
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  Speaker 1: public setting and it was just a chain store is
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  Speaker 1: where it actually happened in Still Hope. In the movie,
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  Speaker 1: it takes place in them all. So just that and
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  Speaker 1: that's another big pieces, like a top of little right
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  Speaker 1: under our noses, and people don't realize it's it's happening.
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  Speaker 1: And so there's a moment in the how she gets
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  Speaker 1: rescued is it's from the kindness of a stranger that
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  Speaker 1: sees her and asks that she's okay. And there's a moment,
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  Speaker 1: there's one moment I want to highlight where one of
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  Speaker 1: the courageous survivors said that the woman that asked that
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  Speaker 1: she was okay touched her arm and it was the
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  Speaker 1: first time she had been touched with love in years.
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  Speaker 1: And just how powerful that moment was for her. And
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  Speaker 1: so that's it's a powerful moment in the film that
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  Speaker 1: I'm really proud of that we captured out. But it
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  Speaker 1: was the kindness of a stranger that ultimately asked if
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  Speaker 1: she was okay. Hope has the power to ask for help,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how she gets rescued. And so that's one
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  Speaker 1: moment that that directly came from the stories of the
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  Speaker 1: survivors set that we put into the film.
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  Speaker 2: This is a domestic story, of course, and I think
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  Speaker 2: I think it's easy for Americans to think that the
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  Speaker 2: trafficking is an international problem and international problem. This film
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  Speaker 2: is saying it's a problem run here in America. And
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  Speaker 2: it's not surprising, if you know, if teens are running
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  Speaker 2: around with devices that give them connection to the entire world,
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  Speaker 2: which is a bad idea in the first place, that
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  Speaker 2: this could happen. This is commentary by me. You don't
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  Speaker 2: have to say anything about that, Ritchie. But let's transition briefly.
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  Speaker 2: There's no way to transition to this next project because
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  Speaker 2: the project, the other project that you've been involved in
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  Speaker 2: in the past year is a faith based project called
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  Speaker 2: The Promised Land, which is faith based comedy that tells
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  Speaker 2: the story of the Exodus in the style of the office.
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  Speaker 2: What my goodness, I've never seen anything like that, and
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  Speaker 2: I think that's because it's never been done. But it's
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  Speaker 2: called The Promised Land, and I lived, I saw you
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  Speaker 2: before we got started here. I had a friend of
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  Speaker 2: mine who contacted me in the past week and he
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  Speaker 2: was just saying how he's loving this series. So it's
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  Speaker 2: a faith based comedy series called The Promised Land. Tell
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  Speaker 2: us how you got involved in this and why you
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  Speaker 2: wanted to make it, why you thought it would work
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  Speaker 2: in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll help to segue a little bit, because
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  Speaker 1: actually still hope as a unique story and the larger
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  Speaker 1: story of The Promise Land. We had filmed the pilot
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  Speaker 1: episode for The Promise Land, which you know, it's the
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  Speaker 1: original workplace comedy, right, Moses and Israel and Israelites wandering
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  Speaker 1: in the desert for forty years, and it's a perfect
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  Speaker 1: setup for you know, the mockumentary format, more of a sitcom, right,
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  Speaker 1: where we get to experience and sit down and here
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  Speaker 1: for Moses, his frustrations of leading this group of people
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't want to be let and so we had
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  Speaker 1: created a pilot episode. The showrunner and writer and director
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  Speaker 1: for that series as my business partner, Mitch Hudson, very creative,
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  Speaker 1: and we've worked on developing this filot episode. Actually in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the pilot episode and season one of
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  Speaker 1: The Promise Lands is when we Shall Still Hope. And
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  Speaker 1: Mitch is actually one of the writers for Still Hope,
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  Speaker 1: and so we brought him on and had him dive
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  Speaker 1: into this story with me. I'd created a great blueprint
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  Speaker 1: for telling this story, set me up well to direct it.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, and then we film season one in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four in Utah of the Promised Land, and so, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a cool project that. Yeah, it was a group
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  Speaker 1: of us Mitch included and some others that wanted to
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  Speaker 1: tell a story that is real and makes these characters
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  Speaker 1: that sometimes are put on you know, stained glass windows
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  Speaker 1: or they don't feel real, right, But how do we
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  Speaker 1: approach these heroes in scripture that have done wonderful things
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  Speaker 1: but looking at them through maybe a little different lines
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  Speaker 1: that they work. You they did make mistakes, but yet
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  Speaker 1: God was still able to use them too. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm very proud of The Promised Land. It's streaming now
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube and on the Angel platform, and yeah, season
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  Speaker 1: one is out, so yeah. Fun little connection there between
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  Speaker 1: Still Hope and the promised land.
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  Speaker 2: Face comedy about Moses seems impossible. I think you guys
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  Speaker 2: have done it.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: One thing, though, Richie, is that comedy like this can
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  Speaker 2: sometimes drift into mocking. If you're not careful, you can
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  Speaker 2: kind of maybe go off the rails. If you're not careful,
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  Speaker 2: how do you how did you guys guard against that?
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  Speaker 2: How do you in other words, maybe to put it differently,
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  Speaker 2: how do you guard against maybe making it not sacred?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I think you know. For us, well, the
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  Speaker 1: quick answer is, you know, our jokes are based on scripture,
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  Speaker 1: Like the setup for the joke is literally in scripture.
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  Speaker 1: And when you I think that's kind of how we
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  Speaker 1: approach it is we're not trying like, oh, how do
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  Speaker 1: we how do we cope fun of this? You know,
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  Speaker 1: we as a whole are kind of line is you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're reverent to God, but we're we're irreverent to the characters,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because they're they're human, they're like us, they're flawed,
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  Speaker 1: they make mistakes, and that's where funny moments in everyday
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  Speaker 1: life happen, right, And you know, we believe that God
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  Speaker 1: has a sense. He gave us the gift of humor,
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  Speaker 1: and from a missional standpoint, a comedy is what breaks
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  Speaker 1: down barriers, right. We we hope that people come to
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  Speaker 1: the Promised Land for the last but then they stay
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  Speaker 1: for the heart and that's where you know, really meaningful
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  Speaker 1: conversations can happen. And so there's lots of elements when
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  Speaker 1: you really dive into you know, Exodus and Loddicus, Deuteronomy
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  Speaker 1: and then into numbers where it's like, wait a second,
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  Speaker 1: this line about there being a dead body around passover,
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  Speaker 1: where did that happen?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's a setting through this whole you know,
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  Speaker 1: line of thinking and this joke. And so that's that's
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  Speaker 1: how we approach the storytelling. Is you know, ultimately the
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  Speaker 1: setup is in scripture. When you really think about it
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  Speaker 1: and what it would have been like for the Israelites
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  Speaker 1: leaving Egypt and going to the Promised Land.
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  Speaker 2: Do you see this as being maybe an inroad to
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  Speaker 2: the Gospel and to scripture for younger audiences?
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  Speaker 1: Is that?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, anybody can enjoy comedy, but did you have
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  Speaker 2: that in mind as target audience when you were making.
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  Speaker 1: This, oh exactly one hundred percent. We saw that with
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  Speaker 1: the YouTube release in the fall, where it was a
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  Speaker 1: very low barrier to entry, right, everybody adds that access
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  Speaker 1: to it. And so it's been fine uncovering the comments,
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  Speaker 1: seeing people say, you know, I'm an apeist, but I
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  Speaker 1: love this show, seeing people say, you know, hey, my
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  Speaker 1: husband isn't a believer, but he started watching this show
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  Speaker 1: with me. They sure those are in other comments of
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  Speaker 1: like I've started reading Scripture again because of this show,
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  Speaker 1: Like I opened up Exodus for the first time. And
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  Speaker 1: so it's a way for the Holy Spirit to move
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  Speaker 1: in ways that you know, and reaching people that never
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't click on name of base based show here right,
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  Speaker 1: Like they never actively seek all show, but they watch
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  Speaker 1: it because it's funny, and you know, it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: way for the Holy Spirit to move.
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  Speaker 2: Comedy clips on social media can really draw you into
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  Speaker 2: a series. I see clips from the Office all the
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  Speaker 2: time online and I've never watched that entire series, but
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  Speaker 2: every time I watch it, I think, Man, I would
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  Speaker 2: really enjoy that series. And I've got the same things
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  Speaker 2: have been with the Promised Land, with people seeing clips
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  Speaker 2: and drawing one job. Briefly, tell me how you got
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  Speaker 2: into filmmaking. As I was seeing you before we started this,
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  Speaker 2: I had not heard of you until six months ago,
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  Speaker 2: and now I've part of you with two two projects
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  Speaker 2: that are being pitched to me. So I guess where
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  Speaker 2: have you been in.
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  Speaker 1: The past five sixty seven years. I guess I've been.
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  Speaker 2: You've probably been behind the scenes working on stuff that
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  Speaker 2: I've seen. But yeah, how did you get into filmmaking
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  Speaker 2: and why do you want to make faith based projects?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's it's fun. Everything's been a hitting all
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  Speaker 1: at once, been busy for a while. In the case
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  Speaker 1: of The Promised Land, you know, we started working on
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  Speaker 1: that in twenty twenty one, and so it's been a
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  Speaker 1: long journey. Yeah. For me, I wanted to direct. Like
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  Speaker 1: most people that kind of start in the film industry,
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  Speaker 1: I had started assistant directing, and that, you know, is
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  Speaker 1: really more logistics on set, you know. I did that
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  Speaker 1: to become a better director, to work with other directors,
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  Speaker 1: handle all the logistics, coordinating department heads, scheduling the film.
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  Speaker 1: I loved it, and so it kind of kept working
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  Speaker 1: my way up as an assistant director, and then that
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  Speaker 1: led me to producing, and the Promise Ling has really
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  Speaker 1: been the first project as the producer, really stewarding that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it'sistant directing. Worked on a number of Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: several baith based independent films, TV shows, just kind of
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  Speaker 1: working my way. My wife and I we had moved
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  Speaker 1: to Atlanta, this big market you know there for film production,
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  Speaker 1: continued building you know, our network and connections. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Still Hope is my directoral debut. So very proud to
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  Speaker 1: tell a story that portrays forgiveness, not as a weakness,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, as a courageous step towards freedom and peace.
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  Speaker 1: And you know that's ultimately for our production company, my
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  Speaker 1: wife and I, you know, Will Studio about twenty three.
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  Speaker 1: We want to tell stories that inspire hope. Right in
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  Speaker 1: the case of The Promised Land, that is fun, comedic
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  Speaker 1: approach to scripture that's never been done before, but it's
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  Speaker 1: still very helpful, especially when you get to the end
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  Speaker 1: of season one. It's a beautiful moment where they concentrate
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  Speaker 1: the Tabernapple, Aaron becomes a high priest, Miriam sings this
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  Speaker 1: beautiful song, but it's very hopeful. In the case of
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  Speaker 1: Still Hope, it's on the nose for that one very
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  Speaker 1: hard stories that are complex, and you know, Jesus isn't
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  Speaker 1: a quick fix. Right when Hope comes home to her parents,
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  Speaker 1: her her parents are well intended and they think, oh,
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  Speaker 1: let's just go back to church, let's get a church counselor.
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  Speaker 1: But they realize very quickly how complex this issue is
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  Speaker 1: and the trauma that that Hope has experienced is something
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  Speaker 1: so that as a project as a whole is very
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