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Interview with a Fully Conscious UFO Contactee Part One: The Awakening · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. I've got
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  Speaker 1: a very special show for you today. Today, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to be talking about my new book, Symmetry, which is
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  Speaker 1: all about a fully conscious contact tee by the name
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  Speaker 1: of Dolly Saffron, who you see right here. Say Hi, Dolly,
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  Speaker 1: Hi Lo So Dolly. Some of you may have read
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  Speaker 1: the book already. It's an amazing story about her lifelong
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  Speaker 1: experiences with Gray's and other ets and all the things
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  Speaker 1: she's learned and experienced. And today is just going to
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  Speaker 1: be a kind of introduction to her experiences. And I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to cover basically her experiences from when she will
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  Speaker 1: ten months about all the way up to age fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: in particular experience at age fourteen when she fully woke
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  Speaker 1: up to what's happening to her. So that's going to
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  Speaker 1: be what we're going to talk about today. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's really an amazing and important case and I'm so
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  Speaker 1: happy Dolly has agreed to come onto the show today.
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  Speaker 1: So let's just start by introducing Dolly and having her
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  Speaker 1: tell a little bit about herself and where she was born.
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  Speaker 1: So far so that's okay, Dolly, Yeah, take it away.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us just a little bit of background.
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  Speaker 2: I was born in Georgia, just outside of Fort Benning.
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  Speaker 2: I was here for two weeks and then my parents
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  Speaker 2: put me in the backseat of the car in a
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  Speaker 2: pram that comes off the wheels, you know, like an
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  Speaker 2: English pram, and we didn't have Seatbeltsley just put me
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  Speaker 2: back there and he drove to Miami. We ended up
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  Speaker 2: on They had a written apartment on biscambole Hard and
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  Speaker 2: that was my first home after I was two weeks old.
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  Speaker 2: My life is was very adventurous, and I moved in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of different places. I've lived on a dairy farm.
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  Speaker 2: I've lived in Coconut Grove next to a warlock. I've
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  Speaker 2: lived in a place called Westwood Lakes, and we lived
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  Speaker 2: down a lake, which was driving my parents crazy. We
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  Speaker 2: ended up going to Wisconsin for a short time and
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  Speaker 2: then coming back to Florida. That's how we did the
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  Speaker 2: dairy farm on my grandparents. Then we moved all the
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  Speaker 2: way out to the Everglades and we had a ranch
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  Speaker 2: and had cows and a couple of them and Bramah
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  Speaker 2: mostly just spent my life doing chores and playing with animals.
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  Speaker 2: We had dogs and uh when we started getting the
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  Speaker 2: big dogs. I had cats when I was really really small.
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  Speaker 2: But then once we got the big dogs, the cats
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  Speaker 2: didn't stay with us. They stayed outside Barnes no more house.
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  Speaker 2: My parents were busy doing things, like my dad was
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  Speaker 2: working all the time, and my mom was into the
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  Speaker 2: Saint Bernard Club is South Florida. They she and my
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  Speaker 2: dad started it. So I used to go to dog
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  Speaker 2: shows and I was a junior handler and then a
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  Speaker 2: senior handler. I did girl Scouts and all that kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff. I just grew up very cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So now you had your mom and
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  Speaker 1: your dad, your little brother living out in the Florida Everglades.
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  Speaker 1: And like many contactors, you have an amazing memory. So
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  Speaker 1: that is something I've heard before. And yeah, I'd just
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  Speaker 1: like to start with your first real conscious recall. I
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  Speaker 1: think was that ten months you're in your crib.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we were living in the apartment on Miss Kim Boulevard,
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  Speaker 2: and I saw a big light come through the window.
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  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be sleeping and I'm staring at it
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  Speaker 2: thinking what is that? And all of a sudden I
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  Speaker 2: start levitating in my crib, and when I got up
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  Speaker 2: to about the top bar, I thought, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: where am I going now? And I flipped over. I
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  Speaker 2: was I wouldn't have anything to do with it, and
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  Speaker 2: I tried to go back down. I'm grabbing the bars
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  Speaker 2: and that's the last thing I remember. I blanked out.
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  Speaker 2: My memory of that moment ends right there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when you started sticking your leg out of
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  Speaker 1: the crib bars.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there was not going to happen to me again.
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  Speaker 2: I decided that's right. Ten months old, and I knew
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  Speaker 2: that if I stuck my leg do that, that's what
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  Speaker 2: I thought. I would not levitate.
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  Speaker 1: And your parents actually took a picture of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes they did, Yes they did. It was just comical.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes they'd see me with both legs hanging all the
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  Speaker 2: way out, you know, just my body be sideways in
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  Speaker 2: the crib and I'd be hanging all the way up
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  Speaker 2: my legs.
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  Speaker 1: You know, at h two, you had an experience where
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  Speaker 1: you disappeared from the house.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh leading Yeah, leading up to that, I knew
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  Speaker 2: I had my first thinkling that something was going on
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  Speaker 2: when I found out my mom was pregnant. And that's
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  Speaker 2: about when it happened the first time. She was just
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  Speaker 2: just pregnant, and uh, I disappeared. I I have a
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  Speaker 2: sketchy memory of how I got out. I was in
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  Speaker 2: my bedroom and I was coloring. Okay, supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: taking a nap, but us coloring. And the next thing
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  Speaker 2: I know, I'm going levitating and I'm going through my roof.
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  Speaker 2: No preamble, no nothing, I'm going through the roof and
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  Speaker 2: something's got me by the hands. Okay. I end up
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  Speaker 2: in a craft and they're they're like messing with my
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  Speaker 2: memory at that point. Okay, They're trying to calm me
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  Speaker 2: down because I was a hellion and if I didn't
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  Speaker 2: like you, you knew it instantly, Okay. And they calmed
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  Speaker 2: me down because I had had tonsils out just before
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  Speaker 2: my second birthday and uh no, yeah, somewhere around there.
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  Speaker 2: I was young, and uh when I was in the hospital,
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  Speaker 2: my dad said, if I was a good girl, he
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  Speaker 2: gave me a big red balloon and he did. It
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  Speaker 2: was ginomus. It was almost bigger than me. And they
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  Speaker 2: tied it to the foot of my bed and I
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  Speaker 2: had that balloon for a whole week. Okay. I love
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  Speaker 2: red balloons. So while I was on board. They all
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  Speaker 2: promised me, promised me a red balloon, that I would
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  Speaker 2: get one if I cooperated. Well, okay, fine, yeah, I'll cooperate.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, it's all blurry to me, you know. Things
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  Speaker 2: happened very rapidly, and then they took me back. I
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  Speaker 2: thought I was going home and nope. I came out
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  Speaker 2: behind the store. It was grass all around and stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that. Back in those days, there's hardly any buildings.
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  Speaker 2: Florida was very sparse, you know. And this little you
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  Speaker 2: tot them or was like all by itself on a
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  Speaker 2: part of the road. And uh, when they let me out,
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  Speaker 2: they said, bye bye, go get your balloon. It's in there.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm walking around the store in the grass and
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  Speaker 2: I walk up on the the you know, the concrete part,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm looking in the door, okay, in the glass
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  Speaker 2: like this. And the guy saw me and he's like
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  Speaker 2: looking around and I'm wearing underwear, no shoes, no nothing.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, where the hell, you know, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: And when he realized that I was walking in and
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  Speaker 2: I was starting to get upset, I cried, he opened
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  Speaker 2: the door and he's like who are you? And I said,
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  Speaker 2: my name is Dolly. He said, why are you Where
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  Speaker 2: is your mama? And I said, I don't know, And
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  Speaker 2: he said how did you get here? And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I want a red balloon. I mean I immediately went
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  Speaker 2: to the red balloon. Where's my red balloon? You're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to know I'm supposed to get this red balloon. He
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  Speaker 2: put me. He put me on the countertop and he
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  Speaker 2: gave me a little a couple of blue uh liquid,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like an icy. It was an icy. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it's blue. I want to think it's blue.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's blue. I think it was sprite. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: It was a blue cop and it looked blue, and uh.
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  Speaker 2: I took a sip and I didn't like it because
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  Speaker 2: it was too bubbly, and I'm really freaking out. And
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  Speaker 2: he decided to call the cops. And that's when the
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  Speaker 2: cops got notified where I was, because they were already
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  Speaker 2: looking for me. My mother was already hysterical and called
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  Speaker 2: you know, the police yourself, And for two hours they
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  Speaker 2: were looking at for me. So I guess in my
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  Speaker 2: mind I was gone about that amount of time, okay
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  Speaker 2: with them, because in my mind I was there they
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  Speaker 2: promised me the red balloon. They talked to me or
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  Speaker 2: did stuff, and then they dropped me down. Uh, but
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  Speaker 2: it didn't feel like you know.
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  Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, you're missing for like two hours or something.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, so I guess that happened. Yeah more times
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  Speaker 1: after that, and your parents put locks on the doors
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  Speaker 1: and the windows, bought a guard dog.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I still didn't help that you kept disappearing. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: at this point you weren't thinking UFOs or ets.
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  Speaker 2: I had no clue. Yeah, there was. I was dreaming
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  Speaker 2: all this stuff somehow. Okay, that's what I thought I
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  Speaker 2: would my mom. I love my mom. Okay, but back
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  Speaker 2: in those days, we could run around and do anything.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you could disappear, you know, in the front yard,
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  Speaker 2: or you could go down the street if I had
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  Speaker 2: a friend and stuff like that. And how it happened
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  Speaker 2: is there was a vacant lot next to our house
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  Speaker 2: where we lived in Westwood Lakes and had lots of
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  Speaker 2: trees on it and stuff, and I made it like
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  Speaker 2: a little nest and they would grab me there when
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  Speaker 2: I was outside. So I was going with them that way.
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  Speaker 2: I just thought I was dreaming. I mean, one minute
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  Speaker 2: I would be there, and then I'd be somewhere else
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  Speaker 2: and then i'd be back, and I just never thought
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  Speaker 2: about it. That's Westwood Lakes. Then in the air Glade,
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  Speaker 2: they would come at night, you know. Sometimes I'd see
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  Speaker 2: Grace coming in and I'd think, okay, you know, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and but I didn't. They were covering my memories. In
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  Speaker 2: other words, they were shocking me short. I was trying
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  Speaker 2: it so hard to remember, but I couldn't it just
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  Speaker 2: And then when I started talking to my mom about it,
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  Speaker 2: she really thought I was dreaming, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the kid that talked about King Kong coming to
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  Speaker 2: get me and flying and doing all this kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And she just said, you're dreaming. You're dreaming, okay, right right?
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  Speaker 1: Uh so she okay, So you also had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: well all this is going on, you're also having you know, precognition, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: talking about things that are going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you had an.
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  Speaker 1: Instance with telekinesis.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Can you describe that briefly?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I was a teenager. I was about twelve, and
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  Speaker 2: my dad used to take me to the University of
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  Speaker 2: Miami all the time. He was doing some restoration work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually, I'm talking about the time with the you
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  Speaker 1: were at home and the hat boxes. I think it was.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that one. Okay, I was young, I was about
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, four. Uh yeah, I was four. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: My aunt Barbara, my uncle Don, and my cousins came
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  Speaker 2: over and uh my aunt, my aunt was mad at
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  Speaker 2: my cousin Sharon, who was older than me. She was
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  Speaker 2: mentally retarded, okay, and I got mad at her. Sharon
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  Speaker 2: ran in my room to hide with me, and she
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  Speaker 2: came in screaming at her, and uh it upset me.
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  Speaker 2: I got really pissed off, and my door to my
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  Speaker 2: closet in my bedroom flung open, and all my mother's
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  Speaker 2: hat boxes, which were in the top of it, flew
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  Speaker 2: straight at her head and screaming and seed pandemonium. You know.
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  Speaker 2: They they ran, they left, Okay, it was all my
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  Speaker 2: aunt could take. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's yeah, That's that's what I wanted to mention
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  Speaker 1: because this is something that does turn up with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of contactes is a wide rided ternormal events. So
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  Speaker 1: here you are, you're seeing spirits, you're having precognition, kinetic events,
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  Speaker 1: you have an event involving levitation as well. Described that
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  Speaker 1: real quick. I think you were like what three years old.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right after my brother was born, and I was
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  Speaker 2: lonely and bored because she was taking care of him.
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  Speaker 2: I was jealous of him at first, and all I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to do was play hide and seek because my
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  Speaker 2: mom would always play hide and seek with me, okay,
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  Speaker 2: And I kept looking at the top of the closet,
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  Speaker 2: and I decided that was the best spot in the house.
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  Speaker 2: She would never find me there. Only I couldn't get
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  Speaker 2: up there. No chair was tall enough, no nothing. And
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  Speaker 2: I would sit in the hallway and just stare at
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  Speaker 2: that door and think, I want up there. I went
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  Speaker 2: up there. I went up there. I'm going to get
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  Speaker 2: up there. And I was already playing around with the
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  Speaker 2: idea that I could fly, and dang if I didn't
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  Speaker 2: do it. I mean, it felt like something suddenly I
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  Speaker 2: was being lifted up. You know. It's a strange feeling.
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  Speaker 2: My body was following me. I don't know how to
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  Speaker 2: describe that at that age, okay, but that's what I
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  Speaker 2: felt like. My body was falling my head. And I
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  Speaker 2: got up there, and I threw the door open and
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  Speaker 2: I went in. I shut the door and I started laughing.
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  Speaker 2: My butt off because I thought it was funny. And
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  Speaker 2: I hear, Dolly, Dolly, where are you Dolly? And she
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  Speaker 2: went by that closet at least fifty times. She looked
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  Speaker 2: under everything I know she did. Then she got mad,
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  Speaker 2: come out right now, I got I laughed harder. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was hysterical. On one of those laughs,
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  Speaker 2: she heard me and she looked up and she said,
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  Speaker 2: you better not be up there, and I'm thinking, well,
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  Speaker 2: I am. And she got a chair because she was
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  Speaker 2: too short even, and she flung that door open there
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  Speaker 2: I was. I don't know if she was screaming at
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  Speaker 2: me or what, or just screaming because because she went, ah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and she pulled me out and she's hanging
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  Speaker 2: onto the wall and slinking down to the floor off
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  Speaker 2: the chair. She sat me down. She sat on the
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  Speaker 2: floor with me and stared at me hard.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. See this is really really interesting because this is
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  Speaker 1: something that other contacts have told me about, even from
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  Speaker 1: a very young age, levitating. And of course I know
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  Speaker 1: you've had further instances of both telekinesis and levitation. But really,
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  Speaker 1: what I want to get into next, because there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot and we could talk about just the paranormal stuff
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  Speaker 1: for hours. But you have a really profound experience where
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  Speaker 1: you age six. I think it was right after you
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  Speaker 1: had gone to see the movie Mary Poppins with your family.
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  Speaker 1: You're out in the front yard watching the clouds, laying
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  Speaker 1: under the fight.
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  Speaker 2: I was dreaming and thinking about the movie actually, and
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  Speaker 2: I was singing the songs. I have an idetic memory,
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  Speaker 2: so I learned songs instantly, and I was singing the
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  Speaker 2: song you know, stay Awake, don't close your rhymes that one,
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  Speaker 2: and I.
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  Speaker 1: Love the music in that movie, and all the song I.
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  Speaker 2: Did you And all of a sudden, I look up
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  Speaker 2: and I'm looking at a particular cloud that looked like
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  Speaker 2: a bunny rabbit. Okay, And the next thing I know,
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  Speaker 2: I see this umbrella come over me. It sort of
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  Speaker 2: like came from my right and moved over to the
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  Speaker 2: left over me, and it was rotating, and I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to see the handle because if it's Mary Poppins's umbrella,
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  Speaker 2: it's got a parrot on the end of it. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you know, remember the parrot. And I'm looking for it,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, where's the parrot? Who is this? You know,
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  Speaker 2: what's going on? And it came down and I hear
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  Speaker 2: the music from the movie coming down with it, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the heck? And then I black out
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  Speaker 2: and the next thing I know, I woke up and
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  Speaker 2: I'm in this place. It was all different. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's not like you see when you're at home. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you got furniture and you got stucco or drywall or
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  Speaker 2: bricks or whatever. I mean, it was not. It was
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  Speaker 2: not from here, okay. And I'm looking at this woman
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  Speaker 2: that I'm sitting in her lap, and I'm thinking, God,
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  Speaker 2: she's interesting as hell. I started staring at her really hard.
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  Speaker 2: She had no hair nowhere, Okay, she didn't even have eyebrows. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: She had the biggest eyes I've ever seen ever, and
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  Speaker 2: they were blue green. And she's staring at me and
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  Speaker 2: I'm hearing. I don't see her mouth move, but I
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  Speaker 2: can hear her, and she's saying, Hi Dolly, Hi Dolly,
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  Speaker 2: you can call me mama. I'm gonna take care of
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  Speaker 2: you while you're with me. And she said, can I
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  Speaker 2: can I Can I have a hug? And I'm like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm thinking about that, you know, do I
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  Speaker 2: don't I And she went to grab me a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, well, what the hell. I love hugs,
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  Speaker 2: so I gave her a hug. I got to put
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  Speaker 2: my hand up and touch your face, okay, And I
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  Speaker 2: realized that her skin is not like mine. It is different.
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  Speaker 2: When you're hairless and you have no hair on your skin,
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  Speaker 2: your hand doesn't go over your skin quite like it
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  Speaker 2: does because you have hairs on your body everywhere, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and it makes the transition over your skin smooth, okay,
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  Speaker 2: kind of glide over your own hair. She didn't have any,
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  Speaker 2: and it felt like leather okay, not thick, heavy, dried
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  Speaker 2: leather like you felt off a cow that was tanned,
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  Speaker 2: but soft, fluffy, luffy, liver leather. And I was amazed.
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  Speaker 2: And I kept trying to touch your face. And then
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  Speaker 2: she was holding my hands and I'm trying to touch
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  Speaker 2: your arm. So I'm like, I became so into the
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  Speaker 2: fact that she was that different, okay. And I'm staring
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  Speaker 2: at her, and she said, I want you to understand something,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm staring at her, and she says, you related
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  Speaker 2: to me. We're related. Do you understand what that means?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to understand what she means, and she
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: put it in my head. I'm related, she's family to me.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: She made me quite understand that I'm family, okay, And
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: she said, I want to teach you something. She said,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: this is how we greet in our family. And we
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: touched foreheads and she inhaled when she did it, and
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I was mimicking her, so I enhaled too. I inaled,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: and I realized, oh my god, I can smell her. Okay.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: It was very very pleasant. It made me feel good
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: to smell her somehow. And I realized after that, for
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: many years that I could smell her in a room
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: over everybody else. I knew her smell, and I didn't
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: realize how impotent that was until I had my own
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: child and realized that I could tell my child from
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: everybody else by her smell as well. I could smell
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: the familial. It's familial. You know how a lion can
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: smell its own cubs, the father. You know, these are
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: my babies. I can smell her genetics. And it struck
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: me profoundly when I realized that years later, that oh
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: my god, I was family. I am family. She is
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: my family. I'm related to her for real.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely a thing. I saw a show on
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: nature where there's thousands of wilderbeasts and the mother had
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: lost her baby and finally found her by smelling of
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: thousands upon thousands of them.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, Yeah, it's amazing they had. I guess it
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: just freaked me out. That's the talent I have. I
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: have a cute, cute sense of smell. Okay, I need
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: to smell anything. Uh Uh. She was different from everybody
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: on board because uh she she They were all wearing
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: like suit, you know, skin suits, and she had on
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: a gingham dress like little house on the prairie. It
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: was very pretty, it was very colorful, and I was
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: touching it and fingering it was pure, pure wool. Okay,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: it wasn't anything artificial, no cotton, no nothing. It was wool.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: And uh I I know the difference between animal hair
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: and cotton, and it was wool. And she played with me.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: We talked, and she let me. She let me look
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: at her hands. She's only got four fingers, four toes.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: She let me see her feet, and we just sort
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: of introduced each to ourselves, to each other that way.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: She saw my hands, and she looked at my hair,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and she felt my hair and she told me, I
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: it was pretty and you know, it was just a
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: bonding thing going on, okay, And then she said we
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: have to part now, you know, you have to go back,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: and she touched my forehead again, smiled me. And I
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: don't remember anything after that until I woke up in
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: my living room with my mother just walking around the corner.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: This gets weird for me. I think my mother saw
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: the flash of light. I think my mother knew something
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: was going on in the living room and that's why
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: she showed up like she did. Because she was very
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: harried when I saw her, okay, and she said, how
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: did you get in here? And I'm looking at her now,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: no better. You got a mother who's strict, stern, you
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: know when she's upset. And I just went on, I
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: don't know what are you talking about? You know what?
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: What what? And I'm six years old, don't ask me
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: to explain. And she used to go through the house
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: and check on me. After that, my mother became overly, overly, overly,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: overly worried about where I was and what I was doing.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: She didn't let me, I mean, she protective. Oh my god, Okay, that's.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: So totally understandable. Okay, So from that point on, you've
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: were taken more.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Outside daylight yep and at night yep.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: And the time went on, and I know you became
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: more and more determined to figure out what's going on,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out whether you're going crazy thoughts here,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: what's going on? And we move up to age fourteen,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: and you're just really ready determined to figure out what
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: this aspect of your life means. And so it's nineteen
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: seventy three or fourteen years old and you're out in
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: the backyard with the telescope watching stars.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: And this is when.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: And this is when, I mean, this is the big,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: big event that I really wanted to This is really
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: why I wanted to do this episode today because this
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: is the big event that really woke you up to things.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: So tell us what happened when you're looking through the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you know, you're let me just start here. Well, your
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: dad comes out and says, go to bed.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: You didn't come out. He was in the house. All
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the jalousies were open. We didn't have air conditioning then, Okay,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: so the windows were all open and I could hear him.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Where I was with the telescope was right behind room okay.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And I heard him out the window go to bed.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, it's cool night. So I packed my
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: scope down and I went my room and I changed
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: my clothes, got ready for bed, got my drink of water,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: you know, the whole thing. And I'm not going to sleep, Okay,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I'm a night I'm up all the damn time. So
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I just decided to keep looking at the stars. It
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: was so pretty that night, no clouds, no nothing, beautiful, beautiful.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: You could see everything. We had very low light pollution,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: almost no light pollution. I could see the milky Way. Okay.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Orion was up and I love Orion. I've always loved Orion.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, I just have. And I'm sitting
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: there and I'm looking up and I'm like, wait a minute.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Orion's got a lot of stars, okay, but there's wide
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: spaces in between the different major star bodies of Orion.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: And I'm looking I'm like, wait, there's just way too
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: many stars up here. And I'm looking at them. I'm thinking,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: am I looking at you know? And then they're moving
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: and they all kind of came into a clump, and
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: then they paired off in twos and then they went east, west,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: north and south. Okay, they just dispersed. Two of the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: pair came down over where I lived. One of them
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: as it approached went east toward dead Land Man Candle,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and then the other one came down over our property
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and over the back of our house. It was changing
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: color as it came down. When it was up out
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: of the app you know, in space it was white, okay,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: But in plasma looked, you know, it was big, fluffy looking.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: As it came down through the atmosphere, it started changing colors.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: The first color it turned literally was a red reddish orange,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and then it got more yellow orange, and then got
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: more yellow, and then it turned green, and then it
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: turned blue. And then I saw the metallic of it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I saw that it was a metall And we had
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: trees behind my room, and they are prayer trees, you know,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: where the leaves if the wind touches them, they fall down,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: or if you blow on them, or if you touch them,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: they close up. And the tree was just whipping in
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the wind, and I'm like, there's no wind. What am
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I looking at? And then I look at this craft
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, hmm, and I'm trying to remember it now, okay,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: because I know this is my only chance. This is
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: not insane to me. I know that I'm seeing this.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I can almost smell the daggone thing, and I know
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: it's there. I can see it. It's swaying and it's dipping,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: you know, every so often. So I start memorizing this
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: craft and I went from the bottom to the top end.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: When I got to the top, there's ports Okay, they
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: go like this, not round, but you know, like that.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: And then I realized I'm looking at the bottom of it,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and it's not perfectly round. It's kind of not perfectly
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: space shaped, but something like that. Again to it, okay.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: And one of the times that it really dipped down,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I saw two creatures in the windows, one in each window,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: and they were staring at me. And I had about
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: three seconds of realization because I'm staring at them hard.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I mean hard, because I was trying to memorize everything.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: And I realized, you know, I don't know about this
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: because they were different. I mean they were really, really
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: really different. They had huge heads, huge, and uh, I went, no,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not dealing with this, and I turned and I
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: was going to dive under my bed because my bed
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: was right there, okay, And I made the pivot and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I looked down and my whole room exploded in blue
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: white light so bright. I closed my eyes and I
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: could see the light through my eyes like I was
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: in a room with my eyes open. And that's I
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: went totally black out, blacked out. Okay. I woke up
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: a few hours later. I was on my floor. I
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: was not wearing my clothes. They were not properly, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: they just were inside out, back was the whole thing.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I got mad. I
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: got mad. I started crying.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Because so this was someone else's pajamas.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, not mine. I'm not even sure they were
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: for a girl, to be honest with you, they were
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: just pj's. Okay. So I can hear my mother in
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the kitchen, and I'm really upset, and I know what,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: you know, I've I've got to go get ready for school.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: So I went to the shower, I took a shower.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I stupidly threw them away in the garbage can in
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: my room, tied the bag up, and uh, by the
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: time I was making it to the kitchen and throwing
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: them away as I walked in the door, because the
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: camera's right there. I realized that, oh wait a minute,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: these aren't my clothes, you know, And I started attaching
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to the fact that, oh my god, I had a
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: real experience. This is not a dream. I have tangibility
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: in my hand, okay. And I ignored it because my mom.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to go and grab them out, because
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: my mom was in the kitchen and didn't want her
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: to see me do it. And she said, make coffee.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: So I make coffee. You know, it's my job to
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: make coffee. When I was around, and I sat down
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, I got to talk about this.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: This is tangible. I cannot you know who else am
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I going to tell this to? And so I said, Mom,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: did you see anything last night? Did you see lights
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: to hear anything? You know? I was thinking about maybe
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: they thought the trees were whipping around, maybe they thought
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: when whatever? And she said, what are you talking about?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: And I said, you know, like a UFO. And after
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: years of this with my mother, there was no way,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: you know. She turned around, pointed me and she said no, no,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: and turned back around. Well I got really despondent, angry,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: freaked out, and I immediately began thinking, how the hell
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: am I going to convince her that we need to
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: have this conversation in its real I was gonna pull
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the clothes out of the can, okay and show him
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to her. We never got to that because the radio
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: switched to the news from Paul Harvey, and the first
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: thing out of the guy's mouth was two Dadland police
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: officers saw UFO last night at one thirty in the
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: morning abouts and they described it perfectly. This officer's statements
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: where he read their statements, okay, And it was basically
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: they saw them coming down, they saw him pairing off.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Two of them came down over them, and one of
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: the officers got rassed in his car twice. They were very,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: very freaked out. Okay, I lost my stuff. I went berzerko,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: the only word for it. I started crying, I started screaming.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I was like sweating, my heart was patting in my chest,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: there's a lump in my throat, and I'm like, mom, mom,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: this is real, this is real. You hurt him on
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: the radio, you know. And she whirled on me and
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: she said that was a dream. Get out of the kitchen. Now.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I'd never argued with her when she got like that.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: There was no point. So I got up, shaking, angry,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: freaking out. Damn. My dad was just walking in and
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: he said he heard the whole thing. He told me,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: you know, go calm down, go meditate, do something. You're
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: over the top. You know, you can't be like this.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: You're never convinced her like this, never okay, And so
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I thought, okay, So I went in the bathroom. I
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: turned the light out, locked the door for privacy, and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: sunk to the floor and I spent a good while
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: in there just trying to go back over the whole thing.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: It was real. It was real, okay. And I replayed
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: it from the minute I saw these stars into the
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: minute that light hit. And when I got to where
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: the light hit, I was visualizing it in my mind.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I could see it. And then suddenly I saw the beam.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: It's an energy ribbon that comes down. It's huge and
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: it twists, you know, And I saw two beings, the
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: two beings in the cockpit of that craft came down
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: that ribbon, and I was frozen. I couldn't move. I mean,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I kept trying to. I was gonna like fling myself
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: to the floor, you know, anything swing on them, you know,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: just anything and could not.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: All right, So before we get into all of that,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: let me just skip through a little bit here. Okay,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: because you went to school your best friend at sender UFO,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that was further confirmation. Yes, your teacher hooked you up
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: to a biofeedback machine. Yes, put you into I guess
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: alpha waves.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Or he taught me how to do that. Yeah, so that.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Helped your memories along. You ended up going home from
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: school that day leaving. Yeah, pretty much recalled the whole thing, right,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: And so basically, what I'd really like to hear, because
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: this is really what I want to get into, is
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: this whole experience at age thirteen where you we called
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: these grades coming into your room, grab you, you go
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: up the beam and what's what's that like? What happened? Once?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: You know they came into your room.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: He came up to me and he took me by
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the hand. He's so much shorter than me, okay, and
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: he put his arm around me kind of sort of,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: and he put his arm up, it touched his hand
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: got to my waist. He's way below me anyway. I'm
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: almost five' seven at that, age, okay damn near Five
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: 't eight and Suddenly i'm moving with him. Somehow, OKAY
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: i think he levitated me. SOMEWHAT i think that he
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: levitated me, somehow BECAUSE i don't remember walking across the.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: FLOOR i went with him, though and he placed my
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: hand with his hand above my hand onto the, beam and,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: poof everything. CHANGED i became. WEIGHTLESS i saw light like
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: we were, enveloped, enveloped enveloped in. Light and we started
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: going up and he was like pulling us along. Somehow
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: it wasn't The you had to manipulate the beam somewhat
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: to go higher and iron, higher, okay but you had
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: to stay in contact with. IT i guess because Suddenly
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: i'm going through the roof of my. Room when we
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: got to the, CEILING i cringed BECAUSE i, thought oh my,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: God i'm gonna hit my. Head never, happened went right through.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: IT i saw dust particles in the. LIGHT i smelled something.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: FUNNY i saw the. Rock our roof was a rock, Roof,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: okay In florida there like, that the little petally rocks
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: on your. Roof AND i saw the, root the rocks
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: on the roof going up through, it and THEN i
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: saw the, tree And i'm thinking. Oh we were right
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: through the tree like it was. Nothing, okay big pieces
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: of bark went right. Through it went, up And i'm
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: like looking around, me AND i realized That i'm up
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: in mid. Air AND i look up AND i saw
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the bottom of the. Craft but we went. Up the
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: ribbon went up around the side of, it and they
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: had a door. Open and it's not a square door like,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: this it's. Octang it's octagonish, looking, okay and, uh the
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: door was not. THERE i, mean you, know you see
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: usually see a door go open close inward or outward,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: right nothing, there just the. Opening and when we got to,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: it he shoved me in feet, first, okay AND i
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: landed on mckister on the floor and he came in
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: and the other one came in right behind, him and
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: the door, suddenly, magically in my mind was. Back it was, there. Okay,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: yeah and it did something. Weird ALL i know is
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: that it was. There. Okay i'm already in, shock bad.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: SHOCK i turned BECAUSE i feel somebody over here AND
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: i look at this woman and my MEMORY i instantly
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: knew who she. WAS I it's like every TIME i realized,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: that every TIME i went with, THEM i would wake
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: up and know who they. Are my memory would, reconnect,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: okay and it would be five minutes of holy, crap you,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: know and oh my, God only this time was. Worse
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: this was the worst time of it, all because my
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: memory went from that moment of seeing her and knowing
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: who she, was all the way back to the beginning
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: of my, life all the way back to the DAY
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: i rode in the bloody car with my parents going
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: To florida in my. Pram, okay in the back, SEAT
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: i remembered. Everything it hit me so. HARD i had
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: a migraine the day, before or you, KNOW i get
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: migrains every now and then WHEN i was. Young they
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: don't know WHY i outgrew. Them, Okay but THEN i
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: had a migraine of worse, migraine And i'm staring at
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: her And i'm, thinking oh my, God i'm so glad
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: to see. You she was glad to see, me AND
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: i puked all over. MYSELF i had just enough time
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: to grab My jamie shirt and puke right into. It
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: And i'm staring at her with pu puke, everywhere AND
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: i start shaking Like i'm coming out of. Shock, okay
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: And they're, like hold, on don't, move don't. Move and
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: the two grays came back with paper, stuff you, know
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: some towels, whatever and wrapped it around my hands and
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: my waist and like pushed it all up against me
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: with the paper and took me to a decontamination room
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: and made me. Strip they put me in a you,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: know a bad, thing you, know to rinse me. Off
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: they gave me something to what HAIR i. HAD i
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: had really short air back. Then and then they put
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: me in a smaller room that had a shower like on,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: it and it was spraying this light all over the.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Place AND i guess that was my first memory of
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: actually being in the contamination. Being you, KNOW i knew
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: what it, was but it can decontaminated. Me all the
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: germs were. Gone once it got done with. Me they
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: gave me a smock to, wear you, know like a little,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: dress and it went down to my knees AND i
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: was feeling it AND i realized that it it was,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: substantial but not it was it felt it felt like
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: you could throw it, away recycle, it burn it real. Easy.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: OKAY i realized THAT i was. HOT i expected to be,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: cold BUT i was. Hot, OKAY i felt hot almost
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: to the point of, sweating and they came and got
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: me AND i went back to the room With mama
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: and sat, down And i'm still. SHAKING i, Mean i'm
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: still just. Involuntarily uh, okay and she's, like it's, okay calm,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: down it's, okay you're you're you're, awake and, uh all
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: of a, sudden he heard his voice AND i knew
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: who it. Was it Was. Talaa. Okay he, says, hey
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: you know are you? Doing how are? You do you
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: feel better? Now And i'm Completely.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Who do you?
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Mean the? Ship he, said he's an entity that embodies
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: the craft and he actually Becomes he's it's like his
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: body once he dwells, it and, uh he runs every
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: system on that. Craft he literally becomes. It it's somewhat,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: biological it's created that, way and he can move, it
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: do all kinds of. STUFF i, mean every process that
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: his consciousness is capable of. Doing ran that. Ship.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Okay so you, remember you know hear meeting him and
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: hearing him and being with.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Him, Yes i've known him SINCE i was the same
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: amount of. Time, Mama, yeah all, right, Absolutely and he
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: said are you? Okay And i'm, Like i'm. Nauseous i'm.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Crazy i'm like freaking out BECAUSE i Realized i'm never
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: going to forget, him AND i started balling my guts
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: out at that. POINT i, MEAN i went through every
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: emotion you could possibly, HAVE i mean every single. One
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: and they decided at that moment THAT i just needed
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: to walk, around you, know just do something with myself
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: other than sit there and be affected by. IT i
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: needed to, move touch, things look at, things just get over.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Myself so The grace, said let's go for a. Walk
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: AND i walked the entire. CRAFT i saw, everything every.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: ROOM i saw my, QUARTERS i saw my, BED i
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: saw my. BRUSH i THOUGHT i Lost, OKAY i saw.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Everything they got me something to.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Drink can you describe that a? LITTLE i, mean you
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: went to your, corners which was described the, corners and
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: you know each room they took you.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: In, briefly it's a it's a, room and it has a,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: bed like a little twin bed that fit, me. Okay
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: and there was an alcove on the wall the wall
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: that part where the bed. Was the room was roundish,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: okay it was like oblong round. Okay in other, words
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: the bottom of the wall bent in slightly and then
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: it went up like. That, OKAY i don't know if
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: my room was on the outside, wall so the CRAFT
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: i kind of think it. Was and then that's WHAT
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: i was. Thinking and Because i'm trying to draw a
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: map in my head of Everywhere i've, Been i'm like
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: remembering everything, now So i'm. Memorizing it's my habit to do.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: That my bed had it was a solid, mattress that's,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: it with a base. Under it wasn't, wood and it
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: somehow let it was up in the air like it
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: was attached. Somehow maybe it was. LEVITATING i don't. Know
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: it was probably attached because it didn't swear and move, around.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Okay and it had a cover on it and had some,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: pillows and it had another cover off folded up at
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: the foot it had it Had my brush had a
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: little side. Table my mom used to buy full of.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: BRUSHES i don't know if you know anything about. Those
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the little full brush man would. Come and my brush was,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: teak wood was really, thick and it was, roundish you,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: know like, this and a little short. Handle AND i
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: loved that. BRUSH i love the bristles in. It AND
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: i was devastated WHEN i THOUGHT i lost. It and
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: there it was right, there sitting on that night, stand
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: AND i was, like oh my, god and UH i
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: brushed my hair all?
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Right so you went and saw other rooms as.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Well, yes. EVERYTHING i saw where we. EAT i saw
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: WHERE i go to the bathroom in my, room AND
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: i had my own little party, place AND i had
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: my own little, sink AND i saw their. Quarters they
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: let me. LOOK i went down to the you know
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: where they they have a nuclear engine and that, thing
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: and they have batteries in there that are. Huge do
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: you know what a disc pack looks like for a?
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Computer so, yeah, okay tall and round and it you,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: know it has many layers to. It those batteries were
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: kind of sort of like, that but not quite and
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: they had they looked like, batteries. Okay and there was
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: a top on it and it had a green uh
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: tip on, it and it had wires coming out of,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: it and it was somehow connected to a central spire
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the. Craft every craft has a
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: central spire going through, it a central uh, yeah, Okay
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: and it was cool as. Hell we went back on
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the second. Level it is like where everybody goes to
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: eat and they do, things you, know there's quarters. There
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: that's where my quarter was on the second, level and
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: the third level is where you. Fly, okay what you
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: call the, helm they call it the place of. Movement
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: that's how they. Think. Okay and they brought me back
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: and they sat me, down AND i was doing, better you,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: KNOW i kept WHAT i drank down and. EVERYTHING i was, like,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Okay i'm. Better and SO i, said let's go for a.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Ride AND i mean he said it just like, That
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: let's go for a, ride you, Know AND i was like,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: okay BECAUSE i knew what that. Meant we were going
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: to go. SOMEWHERE i just had never been. Lit sit
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: in the. Seat he told, me sit in the. Seat
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: And i'm like looking, around going wait What and he,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: said sit in the, seat you, know and he Said
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: i'm gonna let you. FLY i was shocked BECAUSE i
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: do know that everything's telepathic. There that there's no joy,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: stick there's no you, know when you fly on a small.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Plane you, know you got the, rudder you, know the
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: two foot, rudders and you got the the steering thing you,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: know which isn't. Round it's like And i'm or even a, joystick,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: okay And I'm i'm thinking well And i'm AND i was, like, well,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: okay you, know whatever you, say and he gave me a.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Brief he handed me a controller that heard me. Think
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: it connected to my mind and it translated my mind
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: to his. Mind that was my first true psychic connection
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: to another. Being AND i had to get used to
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: him for a few minutes before we, left BECAUSE i
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: was crawling around in his mind and he was in. Mind.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: OKAY i could feel him breathe. Okay and it took
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: me a moment and he, said, okay we're going to go.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Now he, said you're, Driving so this is the. Coordinates you,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: know he gave me. COORDINATES i was used to coordinates
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: from flying, airplanes, okay and uh SO i associated it that,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: way AND i just pretended THAT i was in the
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: plane of earth and, ascension declination all that. STUFF i was, like,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: OKAY i can do, THIS i can fly like. That,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: okay and uh SO i Went we went, out and
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: then he would he, said, okay you're gonna do thirty
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: degrees to the. Left you're gonna course. Correct you're gonna
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: go h thirty degrees, higher thirty. DEGREES i, mean he
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: was just course correcting me all the way, through AND
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: i realized he told me we're going To, saturn AND
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: i was half believing him until we saw. It, OKAY i,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: mean he wouldn't lie to. ME i knew. That BUT
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: i always went in the, dead wide open shark because
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: this is a planet that has more going on than
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: you can possibly ever. Imagine it's got, many many. Moons
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: it's got rings and when you look at, them you,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: know when you look at pictures Of, saturn you think
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: those rings are. Solid they are. Not, okay some of
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: them are, ice some of them are, rocks some of
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: them are, dust some of them ARE i, mean it's
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: just all the way through the gamut of what those
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: rings are made out, of and there are distances between,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: them and then some of the distances are very. Wide
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: it's we're going to fly through one of, them and
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: he showed me which one it. Was he gave me
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: directions to get through. It we went very slowly. REAPPROACHED
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: i was getting an idea at that moment that we were.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Skiffing that was the first TERM i learned that how
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: they Fly, okay flying, term and what it means to
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: skiff is you're either flying in a flat, plane you,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: know flat. Down if you skiff and you're coming up
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: to a magnetic, resistance, okay you have to skiff up
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: so that you ride it and you either go up
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: or down on it or cross, okay depending on the.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Polarity and he was talking to, me this is the,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: positive you're going to skiff. Up this is a, negative
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: you're gonna skiff. Down and we went down this way
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: and then we went straight up right through that. Thing
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: we leveled, off and then we went straight up through
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: that ring in a second and we got above. It you.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: KNOW i was, Like i'm going to do this, again
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: and he's, like, okay, okay and then we went. Too
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: we went straight. DOWN i did that three or four
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: times BECAUSE i couldn't get. Enough, okay that's.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: What so you saw all these did you see the different,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: rings because some are like fine dusts and our. Eyes
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: some are big, boulders some.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Are like, yes, huge oh my, god and they're, moving
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: and they were you know anything in, space you're in a.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Vacuum it's. Weightless. Okay they don't just stationarily fly. Through
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: they rotate and they undulate and the rings are going like,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: this but you can see the fluctuations in. Them, okay
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: you can see the, ripples the current of. It, okay.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Are these rings like miles wide then next to them.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Miles freaking. Wide, yeah they're. Huge the rings make the
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: planet like three times bigger than it, really you know
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: What i'm. Saying it takes up that much. Space they'll
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: wigh the hell.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Out of miles.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Wide, yes, Okay so we noticed where the moons. Were
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: he showed me the moons AND i was shocked to
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: see one of the. Moons, uh it looks like a
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: beat up. Rock it's almost flat on one, side, okay
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: like a. Square it looks like a, square a dumpy,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: square but a. Square and it's not going in the
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: same direction as everybody. Else it's orbiting backwards the other.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Way and we chased it for a, while, okay And i'm,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: like why is? That and he explained to me that
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: When mars got, pelted that is a remnant of one
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: of the planets that was destroyed and became a moon Of.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Saturn AND i was, like, oh that's just way too.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Cool, Know so did they explain what Where saturn's rings came?
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: From they, actually, Uh saturn is a giant. Planet, OKAY
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: i got and it it already had taken on a
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: ton of space dust and the way it. Revolves after that,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: accident it started taking on its gravitational, forces started taking
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: on all that, stuff and it just started revolving around.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: It there's some sort of a pole thing With saturn as,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: well where it repels it as well as attracts, it
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: and so the rings. Developed, okay, Interesting, yeah they don't
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: re fall all the way down to the surface of
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: the planet and just accumulated because of the polarity on
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: that planet going back and. Forth so a lot of.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: That material is basically from prior planetary collisions and.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Such, yes, okay all, right.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: So you traveled through the rings and visited some of the,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: moons and what happened after that.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: We backed out from its. Orbit you, know being around the,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: rings you can't really you, know it's funny when you're,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: like we can Orbit, Earth, okay no. Problem saturn as a. Giant,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: uh you got to really be careful because you can
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: either ascend it and go across this, way you, know
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: or you can go around, it but you have to
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: go in the opposite direction that the rings are, going
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: or that presents a problem because they'll draw you. In.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Uh and you're in a field and it can slow through,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: anything but this is such a big magnetic mishmash of
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: magnetism that they don't chance. It so we backed out
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: and standing. There you, KNOW i say, Standing it just
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: means we're, stationary, uh looking at. It and he's deciding
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: what's coming. Next and he, said let's go to the.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Moon and he knew instantly he's going to get a
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: thrill out of, me, because, yeah the. MOON i love the.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Moon i've been studying the moon SINCE i started. Astronomy you.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Know, okay wait now before you go, there because this is.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Amazing AND i was so delighted to hear you talking
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: about going To, saturn because that's What Jay, gardner another
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: contact tee From west told. Me this is What Ray
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: fowler described in one of his. Books i've heard other
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: contact he's say, this and, well to hear you saying
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: in such, detail you're being fully conscious at this, point
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: it's so amazing and, many you, know even more common
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: is being taken to the, moon which sounds you, know,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: phantasmagorracle one of your favorite. Words but, yeah, okay just
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: go on from. There everyone you know who's watching to
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: know that this is this means? Amazing is absolutely SOMETHING
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: i have heard, before and this is something other people have.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Experienced, YEAH i have a personal relationship with this. Moon.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Okay my dad was already working for an accident and
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: he was in a shuttle program and, uh you, know
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: they get the booster rockets that fall away and come
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: back To earth and we use. Them he helped design
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: what he. Did he was one of five architects who
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: designed all the shoot packing plants for that and the
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: types of shoots that they used and the gear that
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: they were packed into in the cone for. Deployment these
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: are not cloth. Shoots they're. Metal they're, aluminum woven. Aluminum and,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Uh i've spent, many, many many many days with my
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: dad going back and forth while he's working on this.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: PROJECT i love The. Moon i've been on the base
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: of a billion. Times i've been up into where his
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: office was a billion. Times i've seen oh my. God you,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: know we had a satellite dish when the moon landing
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: was one of the first ones ever, made and we
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: were we were on, download you, know we're. Uplink, okay
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: all right, today.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: So this was really special for.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: You, Yes so we did the spigraft. Thing we went
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: around it like, this and THEN i like, that and
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: then like that like in a figure.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Out, okay, wait let me just clarify. Here so you
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: went From jupiter directly to The moon and started flying around.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: It, yes and he was giving me a look at
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: all all of. IT i got to observe the whole, moon, backside, front, side, top,
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: bottom all of. IT i realized that they do have
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: a base on the back side of The. Moon they
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: don't live. There twenty four to. Seven, OKAY a lot
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: of people imagine that they, do but they do. Not
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: they come and they, go.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: So what did it look?
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Like it's a long building and it has two levels
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: that you can. See one of them protrudes out farther
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: than the, others you, know like like an observatory wing of,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: it you, know and it is very cool. Looking AND
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: i don't know. WHAT i don't know why nobody ever saw.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: It and then it dawned on me later that, oh
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: yes they. Did the astronauts got to go around The.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Moon they saw the backside of The. Moon, okay in
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: in the the, module you, know the flight. Module they saw.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: It they knew it was. There they were taking pictures of.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: IT i guarantee they.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Were oh, yeah some of these have been leaked. Up
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of photographs and stories about stuff on the.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Moon, yeah there are other prominences THAT i. Saw there
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: were some artifacts of things that they had on the
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: moon that were eon zini and sold that they no longer. Used,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: OKAY i saw the, limb the, Lander, OKAY i saw the,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: FLAG i saw.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: The when you say you, saw were you like flying over?
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: It, yes right over. Okay and so are you?
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: LOOKING i mean You're i'm assuming you're some you, know
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: ten twenty hundred miles.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Up, no we were probably a thousand feet. Up oh,
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: wow we're very close to. Them On, yeah we were skimming. It.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Okay he didn't pause at. ALL i mean we just did,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: did did the. Tour and then he found a place
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: like if you're looking at the, moon the rim that you.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: See we were up on the rim, okay and we soft,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: landed and, UH i was shocked because The earth was
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: in phase in other, words you know the phases of the.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Moon well from the, moon The earth has phases as,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: well especially from that part of the, moon and it
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: was in it was one quarter face and it doesn't
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: go up ours kind of you, know it goes like
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: this and then it works up the side sometimes depending
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: on where we. Are this was the sideways, face, okay
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: AND i WENT i was, like oh my. God you,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: know it was, like oh my. God and, uh this.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Is when you're actually. Landed.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah they opened it all. UP i MEAN i
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: had three sixty view of. Everything, okay we're just.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Sitting opened it. Up they turned the walls.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Transparent, Yes AND i was looking at. Everything it dawned
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: on me BECAUSE i saw patches of the moon that
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: were kind of not all the same color. Uniform when
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: you're in space or when you're outside of, yours you're
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: or close. UP i don't know how to explain. This
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: you see more, Color, okay you can actually see the
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: color of. Things and there are some places on the
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: moon that look. Burnt there's some places on the moon
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: that kind of LOOK i live In georgia and we
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Got georgia, clay and it's kind of, orange you, know brownish,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: orange burnt orange like, iron isn't? It and there are
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: PLACES i Saw and it dawned on, me why why
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: is it like? That what? Happened? Okay at, FOURTEEN i
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: was smart enough to ask that, question and he, said
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: the dust that lands on The moon and turns it
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: white looking is from. Space that space does that. Accumulates
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: there's no wind on The, moon it can't blow it.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Around it just. Accumulates moon does have some, Magnets, okay
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: that's why it has the. Gravity you can jump up
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: and down on, it very low. Gravity but it attracts.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Dust everything, does, Okay and if it's electrically, charged it's
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: going to attract. Us and there's dust everywhere in. SPACE
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: i thought that was so damn goal and it takes
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: long time for it to, accumulate, SO i, MEAN i
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: realized how that moon had to be eons old as.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: WELL i know one of the moon landings they specifically
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: landed next to one of these colored areas to check it.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Out, yeah, yeah it's that's that's. IT'S i think everything is, Related,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: okay our construct is. Related everything has the same, elements
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: just arranged. Differently. Okay and The moon has a lot
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: of iron on, it it has a lot of elements
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: that birth has on. It and they've made the decision
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: here that The moon probably came from The. Earth, Okay
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: i'm not so sure about. That not gonna argue with,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: anybody But i'm not so.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Sure did tell you where it came?
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: From they alluded to, it and, no it did not
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: come From. Earth it was formed at the same time
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: our solar system was, formed but it did not come From.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Earth all, Right, now there are People i'm just gonna
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: throw this out there because there's a lot of talk
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: about The moon and what it, is and people are, saying,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: oh you, know this is an artificial structure and it's.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Hollow, no, no it's got a. Core it's got a magnetic.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Core all, Right, okay that's. Why that's why the, magnetism
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: that's why it has a small. Field that's it has
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: a small, atmosphere very, SMALL i mean, minute but it's. There,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: okay it is a.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Functioning uh, Yeah well the moon rocks are made largely of,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: oxygen which sounds, crazy but if you look it up
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: you will see that that's.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: True, well it's the it's the compo position of the.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Ore just SOMETHING i wanted to point out because there
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: was so much talk about The moon and it's.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Solid, out no. Solid it was made during the same.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Time it came, together at the same time our solo
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: system came. Together so the.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Same the spot that you landed at didn't have, anything
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: and was there any reason why you landed at that particular.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Spot they just wanted to give me a time to
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: have a. Conversation and basically he had my full attention
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: at that, moment and, That, yeah he wanted to talk
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: to me About i'm coming of. Age you, Know i'm
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: fourteen years. OLD i should be thinking about What i'm
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: going to do with my. Life what DO i want
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: to do with my, life the realization of becoming. Conscious
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: and he talked to me about the fact THAT i
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: was never going to. Forget my memory was never going
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: to be. Altered no more. Dreaming this is It you're on.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Okay and he talked to me about the fact that
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: this meant THAT i had the. OPPORTUNITY i was being
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: offered the opportunity to be working with, them AND i
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: could choose which WAY i wanted to go with. That
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: what were my, Ideas i'm you, know what DID i
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: want to? Do what were my? Interests you, know he
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: was feeling me out for. IT i think they already. Knew, Okay,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: well they.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Were explaining different things that you could. Do is that?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah you just asked me, like, YEAH i WHEN
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: i was that, AGE i wanted to be a marine.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: BIOLOGIST i wanted to be a. ZOOLOGIST i wanted to
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: be a. NURSE i wanted to be an. ASTRONAUT i
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: wanted to be a. PILOT i mean just you. Know he, said,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: well if you had if you could pick some one,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: thing what would it. Be what would be your top?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Thing AND i immediately spit OUT i want to. Fly
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: and he knew exactly WHAT i. MEANT i want to, fly,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Okay and everybody started smiling at me in their heads
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: and uh this, said of course you can. Fly AND
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: i was, like it was, like you just won. Everything,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: okay this is. It this is the grand freaking. Prize,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: okay oh my. God and he, said you're going to
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: have to be. Tested he, said you, KNOW i can't
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: promise you. Outright you still have to go through some you,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: know us checking to see that you're going to do.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: This And i'm like, Okay AND i said how long
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: will it? Take and he said it might take a few,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: months you, know and you're going back and forth with
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: us and, stuff and SO i fixed my face for.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: That it took UNTIL i was fifteen years old to
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: be given the, go you, know, Right.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: So going back to this, experience and so you have this,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: conversation you decide that you want to learn how to do.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Piloting and then what.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Happened everybody was really really. Happy everybody was grinning at
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: me and stuff and, saying oh, good you, know and
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: they were a static, actually And mama was kind of.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Proud you, know she's sitting there grinning from here to freaking. Air,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: okay well what she calls? Heirs and they, said, okay
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: well you know this is going to be a short.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Night you need some. Sleep and and he told, me he,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: SAID i am going to explain to you that tonight
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: you must. Sleep you must sleep six. Hours AND i
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: think that they gave me a suggestion THAT i was
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: going to obey BECAUSE i actually felt tired at that.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Moment and they brought me, back got into, bed AND
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: i slept solid six. Hours WHEN i woke, UP i wait,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: there come.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Back up a.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Second so you, okay.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Can you describe the process, of you, know leaving the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: moon and going.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Down to your home From talada on transferred to the two,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: seater the one that picks me. Up, okay because they
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: were going to come right down to the. House they
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: taught a can't come that low to the. Ground he
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: would fry the house with, that you, know. Radiation so
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: they brought me back that.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Way the beam of light or a ribbon like you're talking.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: About same thing brought me. OUT i came. In one
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: of them came down with. Me this time they were
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Too they just one and the the ai grays are,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: real just matter of, fact you, Know, okay, bye and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: they Went, no no, handshakes no, hugs no, love no,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: nothing just, okay you're good. Bye and they left and
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: the room went dark and, quiet and the house was.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Quiet AND i KEEP i always used to think That
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: i'm waking everybody, up BUT i. WASN'T i, MEAN i
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: never understood that they were being put into a type of,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: stasis that they were all being held in, unconsciousness what
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: was going. On so they didn't know what was going.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: On the only a thing that was really awake in
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: the house where the. Animals AND i don't know how
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: they stayed. Away you. Know sometimes my dog was waiting for. Me.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: OKAY i wasn't allowed to bring my dog until much
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: later BECAUSE i was too busy doing. Stuff but she
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: eventually started coming with me IF i wanted to.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Come all, right, well that's really. Cool so this is
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: how your experiences began from this point, On, yeah you
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: pretty much became a fully conscious. Contactee, yeah AND i
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: want to do more episodes with you to, explore you,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: know what it was like being taken to other planets and,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: yeah some some really interesting episodes with you, know time
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: WHAT i guess we'll call time. Travel, uh and, yeah
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: all the different types of ets you. Saw BUT i
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: kind of want to wrap this up because we've been
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: going for about an.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Hour, OKAY i will tell you the last thing THAT
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: i do remember AFTER i woke. Up the very last
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: thing was That i'm connected to a lot of. Life.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: NOW i cannot be separated from. HIM i mentally hooked to.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: HIM i can call him at any, time AND i
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: knew it WHEN i became. Conscious.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah so from that point on age, fourteen you
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: were taken you, know, regularly.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Weekly twice a. Week, yeah and, literally.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah just taking on, many many, adventures which you know
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: you described in the Book symmetry a TRUE ufo. ADVENTURE
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: i basically just wanted to get all the viewers. Here
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: in introduction to the, book introduction To dolly's, experiences and
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: this is how it all. Started age eight, months being,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: taken being taken repeatedly after, that, yeah aged ten, Months,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: yeah and then seeing mom at age five or, six
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: and then you, know regular encounters which we didn't really
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: get into nighttime being taken To yeah apparently another. Planet, well,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: yes another, planet but we'll get into that BECAUSE i
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: think that would be another really spectacular subject to do
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: a deep dive into and that would take easily another
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: hour or too. Easy. Yeah so, yeah this is basically
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: WHAT i wanted to cover. Today so unless you have
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: any final closing, THOUGHTS i think this would be a
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: good place to sort of wrap it.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Up, WELL i kind of one of my wishes is
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: that everybody learned how to use their abilities to wake,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: up and those of you who are contact these are
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: going to experience a lot of WHAT i, Experienced, okay
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: probably very. Similarly and ALL i can tell you is
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: that even though it sounds like it was emotional and all,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: that in the, end it's the greatest thing that ever
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: happened to. ME i can't imagine not being this way at.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: All it is almost above and beyond my. Experiences the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: joy of my existence BECAUSE i know what my, EXISTENCE
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: i see, IT i feel LIKE i hear, it AND
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: i feel the love of. IT i don't explain that
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: any other. Way that you wide open to, Everything you're
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: gifted from your own ability of what really is. Happening it's, great.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Very. Cool. YEAH i know there are a lot of
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: contacts out, there far, more AND i know the people
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: watching this whole lot of you for, sure we've had.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Experiences so, yeah, Thanks, dollie. WELCOME i really appreciate you
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: doing this interview and sharing your story with. EVERYONE i
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: know it takes a lot of. Courage you, know it's
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: very emotional for. You so thanks very.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Much you're very very. Welcome thank.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: You all, right all, right, guys that's it FOR. NOA
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: i hope you've enjoyed this. EPISODE i really want to
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: thank you for. WATCHING i truly appreciate. It until next,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: time people going, answers keep searching for the, truth and
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: most IMPORTANTLY i like to say go ahead and always say.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: It have. Fun all, right bye for.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Now eyes