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Kerry Miller previews the Final 4, Dalton Wasserman on the NFL Draft & Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Our let's get to carriemillerbleacherreport.com.
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We continue to talk Final four with with our audience.
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And now Carrie Miller joins us. Carrie, I have no idea.
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I'll just start with that. I can't wait to see how it
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unfolds. Obviously, Michigan, Arizona
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just feels like it's that might be the two best teams.
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But saying that I Uconn's been unbelievable.
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Illinois, they're they're committed to playing on the
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defensive end of the floor. That's changed the makeup of
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their team. I can't wait.
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Kerry, do you is this is maybe in the dark as you've been a
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couple of days out from the Final Four, as you've been since
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you've been covering college basketball, or do you think
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you've got it figured out? I mean, I think last year was
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tougher with all four ones getting in.
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We didn't really have any clue who out of, you know, Duke,
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Auburn, Houston or Florida was going to win it all.
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This year, like you said, it does kind of feel like Michigan,
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Arizona is the, you know, the the prize fight and Yukon,
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Illinois is more of an undercard event.
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We'll, we'll see if, you know, the right side of the bracket
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ultimately produces the champion or not.
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But before the tournament even started, Arizona was my pick.
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I was pretty confident in them. I know Michigan has looked
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ridiculously good. You know, I'd kind of lost a
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little bit of faith in the Wolverines as they kind of
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struggled to score towards the end of the regular season.
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But that has changed completely. They're having no problem
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scoring anymore. And if they're hitting threes
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like they have been thus far, I don't know if Arizona is as good
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as Arizona is. I don't even know if they can
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keep pace with peak Michigan, if you will.
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Peak Michigan and peak Arizona, both those teams are great.
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Is there anything that you point to in that game?
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But it's definitely the headliner, no doubt.
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That's the reason that got the late window because he got two
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number ones, two teams that metrically rate as good as we've
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seen in college basketball in a number of years.
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Is there anything that you say this is going to be the
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difference? This is the reason I like one
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side or the other because they're built so similarly.
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They got NBA guys, they got pros, they got size.
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Is there anything that you look at, Carrie?
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I think I just trust Arizona's backcourt, you know, the the
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bigs are going to in theory play to a draw.
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You know, Coapete prevos and you know, Tobo waka when he's in
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there, he's ridiculously good. Karchenkov has been, I feel like
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really under the underappreciated nationally just
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for as good of a freshman as he's been.
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Like we focus so much on Pete and Buries, but Karchenkov was
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awesome in that lead 8 game for them.
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So I feel like those guys can go toe to toe with Linda Borg,
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Morris Johnson and Die Mara, but I'd rather have Bradley and
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Buries then Elliot Kiddo and, you know, Trey Mckenney or Roddy
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Gale or, you know, whoever's in there for them to marry Burnett.
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But we'll see because that's how I felt before the tournament.
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That's how I felt kind of during the regular season with Kiddo,
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who, you know, he's been for three years now, a very Jekyll
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and Hyde type of point guard. If the Kiddo who dominated three
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of the first four games of this tournament shows up, Michigan
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wins. If the kiddo who completely
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vanished in that game against Duke back in February, if the
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kiddo who really struggled early in the year before Michigan
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really turned it on, if that guy shows up, Arizona wins, possibly
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in a landslide. So I think he's the, he's the
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real X Factor in this game. And I I trust Bradley more than
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I trust Kiddo. Yeah, it's a good way of looking
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at it. Guys really impressed me from
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Michigan. And maybe it's just because I
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focus when I watched him so much on Lend a Board because he's
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he's hard not to, he's hard to miss, right?
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He does everything. I think Mars had a hell of a
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tournament. He was in foul trouble in that
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Tennessee game, which clearly limited his minutes.
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I really think he's playing his best basketball in his Michigan
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career. How about that?
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Yeah, I mean, he's been pretty incredible.
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I do think it's fun that, you know, if if Michigan wins,
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either it's Harris, Reid, Michigan's former big man going
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up against Michigan, or it's more as Johnson going up against
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Illinois, where he originally started out.
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So, you know, we'll see if the Wolverines cooperate and give us
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one of those, you know, former player versus former team type
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of matchups. But yeah, Johnson's been, you
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know, similar to what I was saying about Karchenkov, like we
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kind of fixate on two or three guys and then you have that
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underrated guy who ends up, you know, really being phenomenal,
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but just doesn't get as much national attention.
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I mean, he's not as much of an offensive player.
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He's really more of an offensive rebounder and just a just a
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tough guy who's kind of at the, you know, the forefront of their
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interior defense. So that doesn't get as much, you
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know, radio talk time as a guy like Linda Borg or or a 7 foot 3
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Mara running the court for reverse alley, you put it layup
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or whatever the heck that was. But yeah, Johnson could be, you
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know, a real key in this game, especially if he's able to, to
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really limit what Karchenkov can do for Arizona.
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We'll get to Illinois Yukon here in a moment, Carrie.
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But before we get to the Yukon part of it, going back to the
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Duke side 40 years now, John Shire, one Final Four
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appearance, 2 losses in the Elite 8 and a second round exit
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back in this first season. A lot of talents gone through
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there, but a lot of young talent.
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What are your thoughts overall just about Shire and Duke?
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Obviously a program that is either beloved or hatred and not
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a whole lot of in between. What do you think of Shire and
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the Dukies going forward? Yeah, I think he's he's done a
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phenomenal job there. Just happens to crash out in
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spectacular fashion in the tournament.
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So we have questioned, you know, whether he's seen a lot of
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people saying he's a choke artist and all this stuff.
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But boy, he took that job at Duke the year after Hubert Davis
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got it at North Carolina. I don't think there's any
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question who was successful in their first four years.
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But yeah, it's between between the way they lost to Houston in
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the Final Four last year and then that lost to Connecticut on
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Sunday, It's been pretty wild to see how how tough it is for them
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to hang on to a big lead. Although I forget when it was
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that he said earlier this season somebody asked him about those
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blown leads. Like, well, how do you want to
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lose? Like, would you rather at least
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enjoy the ride or just get blown out from the gate?
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Like, at least at least we, you know, fight hard for 35 minutes,
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maybe we'll finish the fight. But yeah, that I, I think he's,
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you know, the guy for the job. I'd be shocked if he's going
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anywhere anytime soon. Interesting way of looking at it
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Is it really is Carrie Miller, Bleacher Report is joining us.
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Well, since you open up the North Carolina door before we
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get to Arizona and Illinois, who's getting that job, Carrie?
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Does it seem like it's Tommy Lloyd is just waiting till this
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is over? Does it seem like the Bulls are
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waiting for their season to come to an end?
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And before we hear what, how, who's going to get the North
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Carolina job? I have no idea.
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I know obviously they're kind of open for one of those, either
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Dusty May or Tommy Lloyd or Billy Donovan, all of whom we
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have some contractual obligations for another few days
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at least. And then then we'll see.
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I mean, obviously they didn't have anything lined up from the
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moment they fired Hubert Davis or we would have already heard
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what where they're going because there's no sense in waiting with
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the portal already not officially open.
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But it's definitely, you know, kind of like the Costco
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executive membership. And a lot of people have the
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early entry and they're getting those conversations started for
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sure. So yeah, I think it's, they're
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certainly hoping it's one of those 3, but I have no idea what
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they're going to end up getting. We're talking about coaching
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Will Wade makes his way back to LSU.
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I mean, you got 2 slimeballs now on the sidelines for your two
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most important sports with men's basketball and on the football
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side of things with Lane Kiffin. Yet there was a little clip in
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there that I maybe soften my hatred of Will Wade and he said
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we're coming back to try to hang a banner and win a national
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championship or I'm going to be the first coach fired from the
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same school twice. A little bit of, I guess levity
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and and understanding that we all know it's weird, but at
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least I enjoyed that part of the press conference, even as bad of
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a slime ball as he seems to be. Yeah, there no shortage of
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villainy in LSU, which I appreciate because I feel like
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with the the portal and NIL and everybody going, you know, one
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and done and what not, we don't. It's been a while since we had a
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proper villain in college basketball.
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Like we always go back to like Grayson Allen.
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That was like 10 years ago at this point or or Marshall
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Henderson at Ole Miss and that even that 11215 years ago.
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So if it's Will Wade, great. I don't know if LSU basketball
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is big enough for him to become that guy, but maybe he he gets
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them there. But certainly no, no shortage
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of, you know things to watch when it comes to Will Wade over
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the last five years. Henderson and Allen have both
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been gone for over a decade. That's crazy.
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Seems like I'm always, it's really every year.
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I'm like, all right, who's going to be the Kemba Walker this
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year? Like, Oh my God, that was 15
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years ago. Holy cow.
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Absolutely incredible. Well, let's get to the early
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game. It's Illinois.
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I love the fact that they're seemingly committed to the
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defensive end of the floor. We know what they can do
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offensively. Saw it all year in the Big 10
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and and then here comes a UConn team that had one of the
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shocking moments of March Madness of all time March
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Madness with the the way they dispatched Duke.
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How do you see this game, Kerry? Yeah, I'll be curious to see if
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Illinois is able to continue playing that defense because I
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don't know if they've actually all of a sudden figured things
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out after giving up. I think it was 84 points in five
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of their last nine games. Now all of a sudden they've held
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three straight teams below 60. So I don't know, something
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clicked for them on that end or if it's just the fact that they
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ran into VCU and their starting point guard got hurt, I mean,
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into the game. And then they played Houston and
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Iowa, who are two lower paced, not exactly trying to score 80
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points in a game type of team. So we'll see what connect.
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And Connecticut's not a, you know, high octane team either.
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So I think this could play into Illinois wheelhouse, but I also
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think the way that Illinois plays is good for Connecticut,
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who if they when they struggle, they struggle with committing
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too many fouls and committing too many turnovers and Illinois
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forces turnovers at the lowest rate in the entire country.
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They don't really play that physical brand of basketball
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that's, you know, going to bother Connecticut or their
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their head coach and their foul trouble and all that.
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So I think it could end up being a beneficial game for
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Connecticut. I think the Huskies pull off the
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slight upset. UConn in that one and it would
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pick up their second win against Illinois.
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They played back in MSG back in late November.
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That was a game where Wagler played 14 minutes.
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Boswell took a three pointers. I think we all know there's not
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a game in the world the Boswell should be shooting. 3 pointers
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in Illinois is different. Can you take anything away,
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anything you glean out of that first match up though?
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I don't think so. Same with if they were to run
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into Arizona in the championship.
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They played back in November as well.
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And I think Brayden Buries was like early, early season Brayden
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Buries was nothing compared to what he is now.
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And, you know, Connecticut didn't have Terrace Reed or
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Braylon Mullins for that game. So, you know, trying to look
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back to things that happened five months ago just kind of
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seems pointless. Even looking back at what these
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teams look like a couple weeks ago, almost feels pointless at
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this point. But yeah, I think certainly
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Waggler is a completely different animal than what he
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was in November. And, and he could absolutely be
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the driving force that that wins them that game, especially if
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Connecticut is shooting like they did, starting one for 18
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from 3 point range against Duke before finally finding the mark
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down the stretch. Alex Caraban Now let's say it
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doesn't end in a national championship, but lose here to
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Illinois, lose in the championship, whatever it is. 2
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titles his first two years stuck around for all four years.
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When you're talking about Alzheimer's guys that and he
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would have had an opportunity at the next level.
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But in today's environment, in the NIL, you want a two way deal
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or stick around at UConn and make some pretty good money for
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another season. Certainly changed the equation
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on that. How are we going to remember him
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as a player and just a part of this Hurley era now with UConn?
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Yeah, he's, I mean, I don't think he's in the, you know,
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lineage of a Christian Leitner, but kind of a modern day
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Christian Leitner. Because I would, I forget what
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the total number was. I remember they were talking
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about it back during like conference championship week
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that there were only like 20 players among the high majors
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who actually stayed at their school all four years.
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It was like, you know, Bruce Thornton at Ohio State, the the
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trio at Purdue and obviously Damon Lipsy and at Connecticut.
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Who's that? Damon Lipsy, Iowa State.
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Yeah, let's see as well. Yeah, they're only a handful
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anymore. So if you have one who's won,
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you know, two titles and you know, obviously is is here in a
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third Final Four. I mean, in that regard, it is
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kind of like a a modern Leitner situation.
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I think if they do win, if they win both games this weekend, I
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think he would be second only to Leitner in career NCAA
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Tournament wins as a starter. That's a that's a hell of a
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statistic, no doubt. Carrie Miller, Bleacher Report.
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Carrie, thanks for what you do for us.
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Appreciate it. Carrie Miller, enjoy Saturday.
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I know you will. Thank you.
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You got it. Take care, guys.
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Yeah. Good to talk to you, Carrie
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Miller, Bleacher Report. That's quite a quite a statue.
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Yes. Leightner's a buzzer beaten that
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never be as good as Yukon Duke was.
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It'll never be beaten, will it? It never is a long time, but my
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God. Well, it wasn't just that shot,
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It was the. Past the length of the floor.
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It was that. It was the picture of Thomas
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Hill on the side with his mouth again, Absolutely.
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CBS talk about knocking on the part, but here's maybe the most
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important thing. It was 2 blue bloods in a great.
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Kentucky Duke. Yeah.
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Yeah, it wasn't 6764. Both teams shot 33% from the
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floor. It was a great, great
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basketball. Game.
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It was Kentucky ascending for the first time in quite a while
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too, at that time as they were building back up, coming off the
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sanctions of Eddie Sutton. So there was a lot of part of
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that. Can Kentucky basketball ever
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become Kentucky? As a kid, me in the 80s,
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Kentucky basketball wasn't that of Louisville was the program
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certainly during that time period and could Kentucky get
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back there after the sanctions? And obviously they were building
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to that moment and ultimately winning a championship a couple
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years later. That's a huge component to it
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too, is the two teams that were, it was like perfect time,
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perfect game, blue bloods and then a perfect shot.
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And they're still. I know.
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And a little fake before he made the shot.
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How did he have enough time to get it off?
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Fake right, Go left, swish What? And what?
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A pass from Grant Hill. I hated Duke too.
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Did you? Oh yeah.
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Because by when the runs in the end of the tournament knocked
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him out, seemingly the back-to-back years, they got
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him. They did, yeah.
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Back-to-back seasons in the 8-9 game against the One?
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Yeah, maybe another year was a 710 game against two.
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But. Regardless, Audie Crook just
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made Sports Center. Oh yeah, yeah, that's.
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Just in. She is a face of women's college
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basketball. But I didn't like Duke because
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that was a UNLV guy, you know, UNLV gave me a lot of
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heartbreak. That was the other just because
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I love Larry Johnson. Larry Johnson was my guy and
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Stacy Augman in that group. It was after the defeat with
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Armand Gillian in 87 Tark and Tark.
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I mean it's. Got a kick out of them.
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And they eat in the towel. The College.
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Coaches too, you just think about them.
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Oh my God, the. Personality of these people and
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just how different they were in a different era.
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Now you just got I sitting over there some.
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Of the stories that they could tell.
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I mean, if they would, they wouldn't.
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No, probably not. Probably not.
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All right, Dalton rostrum is coming up next.
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We're going to get into the NFL, switch gears.
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Ken, thanks for coming on. Good to talk to you.
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Dalton, how are you doing? Oh, we're good, man.
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We're good. Obviously it's been a quite, a
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quite a wild week as you might have heard, but it's all good
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and still 3 weeks away for the from the draft.
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We're just preparing and like you mentioned, keeping the
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college show going under a different name there.
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Now, love it, though. You guys are very knowledgeable
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over there. It's not like the Pro Football
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Focus went in a different direction.
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You guys just everything left everything at the shop.
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You walked out with your knowledge and we're going to
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pick your brain about that. So it seems like there's some, I
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don't know, momentum behind Ty Simpson working his way into the
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first round. It's obviously not a great year
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to be a quarterback needy team with a good spot to draft that
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quarterback. There's Mendoza and then
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seemingly a huge gap. Is Simpson a first round?
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You're in your mind? And then I want to follow that
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up is, is who's the 3rd quarterback in this draft?
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I think Simpson's a borderline first rounder to me.
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I don't know that he's the guy that I would take a gamble on in
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the first half of the round. But I think once you get into
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the 20s and maybe you get some teams in the 30s either waiting
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for him to fall there or trading up into the 20s to get him.
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I think it's in a very similar range as we saw Jackson Dart go
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last year, right? He was, I believe, the 25th
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overall pick and the Giants traded up from the early 30s
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there to go get him. So if somebody really feels like
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he's their guy, I could see him going first round, maybe a 21 to
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Pittsburgh if they feel like he's the successor to Aaron
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Rogers. I think it's possible that he's
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a first round pick. I just wouldn't guarantee it.
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And then as far as the third guy, I think it's a wide open
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battle. I think there's a pretty big gap
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between Mendoza and Simpson at the top and then the next guy.
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So I think there's a host of them.
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If you want tools, that's Drew Aller, Some people like Carson
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Beck, me personally, I have Garrett Nussmeyer as 3, but I'm
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still not entirely sure that he'd be more than maybe a mid to
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late third round pick. Honestly, I think the injuries
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and everything he dealt with this year are a bit of a
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concern. I have Nussmeyer 3rd, but this
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is a group of probably four or five guys that you could
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consider and I would say, hey, you know what, that makes some
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sense on some level. If he can take us a little
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deeper into Mendoza, we a year ago at this time after he had
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made his announcement to Indiana, Ken and I both believe
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that they were going to have an upgraded quarterback from what
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they had the year previous, but certainly not what they got out
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of him this past season. How he projects in your mind at
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the next level and maybe some deficiencies, some things that
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he's going to have to figure out right away.
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Yeah, I think when you talk about the strength, this is a
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guy who's on an upward trajectory and continuing to
20:13
prove when you watch the year to year improvement from his first
20:15
year starting to Cal to his 2nd and then to Indiana, First
20:18
things first, his frame is awesome.
20:20
He's physically gotten bigger and stronger as he's gone on.
20:23
The leadership qualities are a plus and you saw the way that he
20:26
led that Indiana team to a national title.
20:28
Very good arm. I think a relatively quick
20:30
processor, especially pre snap, I think is where he really
20:33
excels right now. Could use some work when it
20:35
comes to A taking less hits when he's moving outside the pocket
20:38
and B just not freezing a bit when he gets to his second and
20:41
third read. But I think a lot of his flaws
20:43
are teachable in my opinion, especially with Kirk Cousins now
20:46
in the room for at least this year with with Las Vegas and
20:49
really being that mentor. I think they're similar types of
20:51
quarterbacks and Mendoza even has better athletic tools.
20:54
I think Mendoza can develop at some point into a top 8 to 10
20:57
type quarterback in the NFL. You mentioned Kirk Cousins.
21:00
I, I saw a statistic on X earlier today.
21:03
He's in the top five as far as earnings, career earnings in the
21:06
NFL for he's won one playoff game in his career.
21:10
What does he have left in your mind, Dalton?
21:13
Is he just, I don't know, there to kind of like Kurt Warner and
21:17
Eli Manning type of relationship back in the day?
21:21
Yeah, I think it is that, right. I mean, you're talking about him
21:23
at his age, and he certainly made plenty of money like you
21:26
just mentioned. But he showed you with Atlanta
21:28
last year, a little healthier than the year before off the
21:30
torn Achilles, that there's still something left in the
21:33
tank. Now is are you going to win a
21:34
Super Bowl with Kirk Cousins as you're starting quarterback?
21:36
Probably not. But you talk about a guy who got
21:38
good bridge quarterback type of money, and the intangibles have
21:41
always been there. It goes all the way back to the
21:43
days when he was at Michigan State as a backup and he was
21:46
named A-Team captain even as the backup quarterback.
21:48
I mean, those intangibles are really what keeps them hanging
21:50
around the league, either as a backup or he might be their Week
21:53
1 starter in Vegas if they want to take the slow track with
21:56
Mendoza. And you know, you'll probably
21:58
see Mendoza at some point this year, could even see him Week 1.
22:00
But Cousins is just a great guy to have in that room.
22:02
And the other thing that gets forgotten about here sometimes
22:04
is connections. Played under Clint Kubiak in
22:07
Minnesota for three years. So he knows this offense like
22:10
the back of his hand. And that's going to be a big
22:12
transition for Mendoza as well. But Cousins is there to help
22:14
that cause too. Jeremiah Love, the Notre Dame
22:17
Ronnie Back of course, is a huge conversation piece after what we
22:20
saw a year ago. Ashton Genti goes in the top
22:22
ten, however, didn't have an offensive line and it's hard to
22:25
make an impact as a running back.
22:27
What do you don't have an offensive line?
22:28
Your thoughts on Love as a prospect and just in general
22:31
taking a running back that high top half of the first round?
22:35
Far and away the best running back prospect in this class.
22:38
I think he can he at least compares if he doesn't surpass
22:41
he at least compares pretty well to some of the elite prospects
22:44
we've had over the past few years, right.
22:46
You go back to Saquon Barkley, Bichon Robinson, Ashton Ginti
22:50
last year. I think so there's some scouts
22:52
I've seen that like love better than they like Ginti last year.
22:54
So I think you're talking about in this class, especially with
22:57
the lack of elite offensive playmakers.
22:59
He's probably the best 1 and I I think he's pretty close to a
23:02
lock of a top eight pick. Yes, you need to have the right
23:05
situation. You saw that with Ginty last
23:07
year with the way the offensive line fell apart.
23:09
Didn't have the year that he wanted to.
23:10
But Love is a home run hitter with blazing speed at 210 lbs.
23:14
You just don't get his ability that often and if you're going
23:17
to take a back that high, it needs to be a special player.
23:20
I think Jeremiah Love is a special player.
23:22
Let's talk about some of the locals in our conversation with
23:25
you this week. We'll start with the the big
23:27
citrus Dominic Orange, second, second day pick and in all
23:31
likely, and I'd be surprised if he's, you know, he's not taken
23:34
in the 2nd or the 3rd Iowa State's Dominic orange.
23:37
When you watch him, what did you see?
23:40
I think you get a player, even though he's close to 330 lbs, a
23:43
player who's really sneaky athletic, you know, you kind of
23:46
get this guy who you go, OK, is he just going to plug gaps or
23:48
what? But he's got some first step
23:50
quickness to him and he can make plays in the backfield.
23:53
I agree with you. He's probably something like a
23:54
top 75 player. I think he could get into the
23:57
second round. I have him as defensive tackle
23:59
#6 I believe it is on my list. And I think he's somewhere in
24:03
that four to maybe 7 or 8 range for a lot of people in a really
24:06
deep defensive line class. I think Orange is one of those
24:08
big bodied guys. He's more versatile than his
24:11
size would let on and I think that quickness and play making
24:13
ability is really going to help him.
24:15
Another guy with local connections, though, just back
24:17
at the high school level from southeast Polk, and that is
24:20
Kaden Proctor. Now he made his way back to Iowa
24:23
for briefly, yeah, six weeks I think before he went back to
24:26
Alabama after being in Iowa City for about 6 weeks.
24:30
I think that shows you probably one of the big questions about
24:32
him, dedication, flakiness, question marks about just the
24:36
work ethic that's going to be in there.
24:38
I put in the work to get ready for the draft, but is it going
24:40
to continue once he gets those paychecks?
24:42
A lot of question marks, but in terms of talent, a lot of upside
24:45
for Proctor. What are your thoughts on him?
24:48
Definitely a lot of upside. I think the big thing for me is
24:50
that just can he keep the weight down at a manageable level to
24:53
stay at tackle? I mean, we know he's such a
24:55
massive prospect and you just flip on the tape and the first
24:57
thing that jumps out is the frame, right?
24:59
He's 6 foot 7. There's you know, he's played at
25:02
36370. Even at times it was people that
25:04
said 380 plus for him, which would obviously be heavy.
25:07
We just don't see that many tackles succeed at over 350 or
25:10
360 unless they have to move inside.
25:12
So weighing in at 3:52 at the combine, I I think was huge for
25:16
him and his prospects of staying at tackle, tackle, right.
25:18
The more likely he is to stay at left tackle, the more likely he
25:21
is to be a potential top 15 to 20 pick, right?
25:24
If they, if teams feel like, well, we don't know if he can
25:27
keep it down or he's going to end up playing in the 360, might
25:29
have to move inside, which is still a very valuable asset.
25:32
He can be a really good player and there he's a really good
25:34
pass protector. Just a matter of where he's
25:36
going to play. If he can keep it down under 350
25:38
or even get even down under 340, I think he could be a franchise
25:41
left tackle for somebody. But that's going to be the big
25:43
question is to have that plan moving forward.
25:45
A couple of Hawkeyes, offensive lineman, Jones and Dunker.
25:48
Where do you you have them? Second, late second?
25:50
Somewhere in the third. Second day picks though.
25:53
Dunker, I have higher more of a day to pick, I think a mid to
25:57
late day to pick, depending on the scheme that he goes to
25:59
because Tim Lester running that Iowa offense very much like a
26:03
Shanahan type of offense in the league.
26:04
So I think for both of those guys, it's going to be a matter
26:07
of team fit, right? I think A-Team I really like for
26:09
Dunker is somebody maybe like the Seattle Seahawks, if they
26:12
want to move them inside to guard at #64 overall, the very
26:15
end of the second round, I think that would make a lot of sense.
26:17
And then you talk talking about Logan Jones, I think because
26:19
he's a little undersized, probably more of an early day
26:22
three guy for me. But again, if you can get him in
26:24
that system, we've seen a history now the last half
26:26
decade, especially undersized centers who are really good
26:29
athletes that can fit those zone type of schemes.
26:32
I think you really could get a decent prospect out of Jones
26:35
even if he's got a sit for a year or two.
26:36
We've seen guys like that succeed.
26:38
I think about a Drew Dolman, or I shouldn't even say now, for
26:41
the Chicago Bears. The recently retired Drew Dolman
26:43
was the same kind of player, fourth or fifth round pick, who
26:45
ended up succeeding in that fashion.
26:48
Question on Mark Gronowski doesn't get invited to the
26:50
combine. Had a good workout, though.
26:52
It sounds like an Iowa City, though most of the guys do in
26:54
their own pro days. That usually happens there, not
26:57
as a draft pick, but a guy that can stick around.
26:59
He's got such a unique skill set.
27:01
We saw struggles early on in the passing game and that improved
27:04
throughout the course of the year.
27:05
But him as a runner, his dynamic is, is there a spot?
27:08
It'll be developmental for a couple of years, but Karnowski
27:11
find a home out of practice squad.
27:14
I think he can, yeah. I mean, you talk about a guy
27:16
with really good intangibles, you know, national championship
27:19
winning quarterback at South Dakota State.
27:20
And I think that was a lot of what really attracted Iowa to
27:23
him too, is those intangibles. The the ability to play under
27:26
center, which he's done a lot in his career at both of those
27:28
spots and run play action concepts, turn his back to the
27:31
line of scrimmage. So there's a lot to like about
27:33
him. His athletic ability and the
27:34
intangibles really stick out. The arm talent itself is not
27:38
elite. Certainly I think he would if he
27:40
had elite arm talent, we would talk about him probably getting
27:42
drafted. But he's the type of guy that
27:44
coaches are going to really like when they sit down and talk to
27:46
him, right? He had a very good shrine ball
27:48
by all accounts. So I do think he's probably more
27:50
of a priority UFAUDFA kind of kind of camp body type of arm
27:55
that could work his way right now into a third string
27:57
quarterback role. But you never know.
27:59
Look, the lack of depth in this quarterback class means maybe
28:01
some people have just a better opinion.
28:03
And you could see in around six or seven that Gronowski is
28:05
someone that just, again, scouts and coaches are attracted to
28:08
because of the intangibles especially.
28:10
Want to ask you about one of my favorite guys in the draft.
28:12
He kind of reminds me, although I don't I don't think he's as
28:14
big tall as Luther Burden, Zachariah Branch I watched him
28:18
at USCI, thought, Oh my God, what a what a problem He's going
28:21
to be in the Big 10. Obviously finished at Georgia,
28:24
maybe didn't have the college career in totality that some,
28:28
myself included, thought he was going to have.
28:31
Zachariah Branch, NFL. What kind of NFL career lies
28:34
ahead for him? I think it depends on on how
28:38
much a team can unlock him because he is he is very small.
28:41
He is smaller than Luther Burden and how many, how many teams
28:44
feel like they can unlock him and work him vertically down the
28:47
field? Because so much of his
28:48
production at even Georgia this past year, and he had a better
28:51
year than he did either the 1st 2 at USC.
28:53
But so much of that production came from screens and throws
28:56
behind the line of scrimmage and gadget plays.
28:58
And he's very good in that role with the ball in his hands.
29:01
He's got that running back field to him, right?
29:03
He can make people miss. He's a dynamic returner.
29:05
There's a place in the NFL some people are going to see him as
29:08
wow, I need that guy speed on my team.
29:10
He's a second rounder, you know, some are going to go in and
29:12
maybe he's more of a gadget player around 3 or 4 type of
29:14
guy. There's a role for him in the
29:16
NFL, but it depends on how much he can separate down the field.
29:19
Can he start making vertical plays down the field to
29:22
compliment everything he can do behind the line of scrimmage?
29:24
Or is he going to be more of just a lightning quick gadget
29:27
player? Want to jump into a couple of
29:29
our regional teams here? Start selfishly with my team,
29:32
the Bears. I mean, is it as simple as when
29:35
they get to into the 20s and the Bears are making that pick a 25?
29:38
Unless there's some kind of movement, it's just defense,
29:41
defense, defense. Does the injury out of left
29:43
tackle, Does that change the equation for them?
29:45
How do you look at the Bears at least early on in this draft?
29:48
I think there's going to be a heavy emphasis on defense.
29:50
You're talking about having a three picks in the top 60.
29:53
I would I would expect at least two of those are going to be on
29:55
the defensive side of the ball. They need another safety.
29:57
They need more help on the defensive line for sure.
29:59
And those are two really good classes.
30:01
You have especially you talk about the D line.
30:03
Defensive line's the deepest position group in this draft.
30:06
I would expect them to take multiple players to try to fix
30:08
that unit. But I think if there's a sleeper
30:10
position they could take, I think they could attack wide
30:12
receiver, right? They lost DJ Moore in that
30:14
trade. Obviously alumnatee Zacchaeus is
30:16
out to to Atlanta and now you're talking about, OK, you've got
30:20
Burden, you've got Odoonsay, but one more guy would never hurt.
30:23
Especially you talk about in Ben Johnson's offense.
30:25
So I think receiver is something they could look into.
30:27
I don't know that they'll do it in the first round, but it's
30:29
certainly going to be a heavy emphasis on defense for them.
30:32
A few years ago, we had Rugs, we had Judy and we had CD Lamb and
30:37
we had Jefferson. The kid that flamed out with
30:41
Philadelphia can't, for whatever reason, can't pull his name and
30:44
stop my head. But when it comes to the
30:46
receivers, it seems like in the top 15, there's at least three
30:49
names, right? There's Tate, there's Lemon, and
30:52
then there's Jordan Tyson, who played in in Arizona State.
30:57
He was injured for the Big 12 game against Iowa State, so
30:59
never saw him there, but certainly saw enough of him in
31:02
the Big 12 to realize he's a hell of a player.
31:04
Of the three big names in the receiving corps in this year's
31:08
draft, who do you like the best? I have Makai Lemon actually as
31:12
the top guy, and they're all extremely close when you look at
31:15
these evals and they're very different players.
31:18
Carnell Tate's much more of a downfield vertical threat.
31:21
Jordan Tyson, I think, is a great intermediate route runner.
31:23
And then Lemon, you talk about the shiftiness in his route
31:26
running, the ability to make contested catches even though
31:28
he's an undersized guy, and you just talk about somebody who's
31:31
just a smooth playmaker there. It's very, very close.
31:34
I have Lemon one and then actually Tyson 2 and Tate 3, but
31:38
you could argue the three of them for me in any order and I
31:40
would accept that. I wouldn't argue too much.
31:42
They're all very, very close in talent level.
31:44
When you're scouting somebody like Carnell Tate, he obviously
31:47
has Jeremiah Smith, who might be a generational talent on the
31:50
other side of them. Does that change the way that
31:52
you have to look at him? Just knowing the attention
31:54
that's going on the other side, the way the defenses are going
31:57
to go? How much does it change things
31:58
when you look at the tape of Carnell Tate?
32:01
I mean, not a whole lot to be honest with you.
32:03
I mean, obviously you have to stop #4 somehow on the other
32:06
side. And Tate was able to take
32:07
advantage, especially this year as he emerged as the number 2
32:10
weapons. Even the year before he was #3
32:12
behind Smith and a Mecca Abuka former first round pick.
32:15
I mean, that's just kind of life of playing.
32:17
That's that's the life of playing wide receiver at Ohio
32:19
State, right? But no, you, you look at Tate
32:22
and I mean, you look at just a one-on-one battles he would win.
32:24
The double moves, the ability to get himself open vertically down
32:27
the field. You know that that's always an
32:29
asset, right? And I mean, when you sit there
32:31
and you look at even some NFL teams, the Bengals with Chase
32:34
and T Higgins, right? Am I going to think of less of T
32:36
Higgins because Jamar Chase is out there?
32:38
No. Am I going to think less of
32:39
Devante Smith because AJ Brown's out there?
32:41
No. They're just, it's great to have
32:42
two great receivers like that, right?
32:44
So Ohio State obviously took it full, took full advantage.
32:47
And you know, Tate, either way, he's making the adjustment up to
32:50
the NFL. He's going to have to learn how
32:51
to beat NFL cornerbacks and safeties and things of that
32:54
nature. But he's got the ability to do
32:56
it. Don Wasserman preferred walk on
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college football show NFL analyst follow on X at CFB under
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score. Dalton Dalton, we appreciate it.
33:06
You're not going to be on the sidelines very long, my friend.
33:09
You're very knowledgeable and very good at what you do and
33:12
Trent and I will impose on you as we get closer to this.
33:14
Again, should your schedule allow.
33:16
Dalton, Thanks for jumping on, man.
33:17
Brighter days are ahead. Thank you.
33:19
Dalton Wasserman, appreciate it. Absolutely appreciate you guys
33:22
all the time. Thank you.
33:23
Good to talk to you, Dalton Wasserman, as we check in on the
33:26
NFL. One of the many, the dozens, I
33:28
don't know how many. The number was a lot at Pro
33:30
Football Focus when they were sold.
33:33
Him and a bunch of his colleagues got their walking
33:35
papers, unfortunately. Tough part of the business.
33:38
It is, yeah. It's reality and it's all mean.
33:40
Listen to this guy. He's he's a fountain of
33:42
knowledge. Absolutely he is.
33:44
We have a Monterey football season, NFL, college.
33:47
He dives in deep to both sides of it, takes a look at the
33:50
analytical part of it, the way that they kind of grade things,
33:52
but also just watching the game, too.
33:54
Yeah. And knowing that part of it.
33:55
Really enjoy our conversations with Dalton.
33:57
And yeah, let's continue those. Absolutely.
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since my squad doesn't have a pick.
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But it's not like I'm not going to watch.
34:11
I do love it. You do love it.
34:13
I really, what is it about? I don't know it, you know what
34:15
it is. It's the halfway point of the
34:17
offseason. I'm not sure it's officially the
34:19
halfway point, but in my mind it is and it's all downhill to the
34:23
kick off of week #1. Now, have you always loved the
34:26
NFL draft like this? Like I pretty much.
34:28
You got the magazines back in the day and.
34:30
I don't know if I was that sick. Certainly since I started doing
34:35
radio, I was into it. Not back when I lived in Denver,
34:39
obviously was. Yeah.
34:41
You go to the draft parties or party, I think it was at
34:47
Mcnichols. That's where the Nuggets used to
34:50
play before the Avalanche got there.
34:53
Mcnichols Arena. But no, I yeah, I love the
34:56
draft. I don't know why Trades again,
34:58
it's the it's all downhill till we get to the beginning of
35:02
football. Long way to go before.
35:05
Yeah, there is a long way to go. There's a long way to go.
35:08
I I saw the Alex, Alec Bussey, of course does mornings with
35:11
Heather, the first quarter here on Des Moines Sports station and
35:15
the Iowa Sports Radio Network. He put a transcript up of the
35:18
two coordinators. They met the media yesterday,
35:20
Bill Seals likewise, but I saw Bussey's and and a lot of the
35:25
names that were brought up I I was state players.
35:28
Trent. I knew one guy.
35:29
Yeah, it will I mean Flora. If there was two, there was a
35:32
couple, but point being, if they named 25 I knew maybe two or
35:39
three. This is 1 where you're going to
35:41
have to most definitely. Buy a program.
35:44
Have the roster next to you to figure this thing out.
35:46
You need that part, yeah. I don't know if they sell
35:49
programs anymore. Do we sell programs anymore
35:51
Because everybody's got their phone and they got the program
35:53
on the damn phone. But none the less, no, I I like
35:56
it And and Dalton's terrific at what he do, what he does.
36:00
And hopefully there'll be plenty of opportunities down the road.
36:03
He'll be on words to bigger and better things.
36:06
Give Collinsworth a lot of credit a for launching Pro
36:08
Football Focus and for hiring all these guys and giving them a
36:13
launching point to their career. But sadly, the company was was
36:17
sold. And as is the case numerous
36:20
times, when that happens, changes are afoot.
36:25
We have time for a quick call. TC.
36:26
Let's take John Cannon and he joins us.
36:29
Hello John, how are you? Well, I'm fine and I'm, I'm
36:33
calling about the Jamie Pollard announcement today for everybody
36:37
to calm down. You know, all that stuff.
36:39
And, and here's my problem with it.
36:40
I, when we to travel, my wife and I, I'm, I'm the guy in
36:44
charge of finding a hotel to stay at wherever we go.
36:47
And so I look at a lot of reviews and there are a lot of
36:51
different reasons I and I go right to the one star reviews I
36:54
wanted. I don't care about the five star
36:56
reviews. I want to see the one star
36:57
reviews and there are 1,000,000 different reasons that a hotel
37:00
can get a one star review. But if I see a pattern, then I'm
37:03
not going there, right? If I guess it pops up in a lot
37:06
of different reviews that the the front desk is surly or, or
37:09
the rooms weren't clean or you know, something along those
37:12
lines, then then that's a warning sign.
37:14
I think the problem that we have with this ISU women's basketball
37:17
situation is, yes, there are lots of different reasons that
37:20
people can enter the portal. We understand that you have 11
37:23
people who have entered and I guess one just recanted and came
37:25
back. I want to know, I don't even
37:28
need to actually know the reason that each person has done it,
37:32
but I want someone in the media to find out what are the reasons
37:36
given and if like 6 of them or seven of them are leaving for
37:41
the same reason. I think we need to know that.
37:44
Yeah, yeah. It's a mutiny.
37:47
There's no, there's I think that that's the word you got to use.
37:51
Yeah. And and if that's the case, if
37:52
they're all leaving because of the coach and Jamie Pollard's
37:55
decided, well, I'm riding, you know, riding and dying with this
37:57
coach, then that's something the fans all need to understand
38:00
before they, you know, keep putting their money into that
38:02
pot. Yeah, and for Pollard to compare
38:04
it to the football program, what would they?
38:06
I mean that that's apples and oranges.
38:07
Oh, I mean, come on. And he kind of snuck a little
38:09
dig in there at Iowa, yeah, which has kind of normal
38:13
transfer portal stuff going on. If there's 5 or 6 gals put going
38:17
to the portal, we didn't blink an eye.
38:19
No, that's the new. Reality.
38:20
That's the new reality. You're right.
38:22
Yeah, but this is what I. Think of this, if this was a men
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program, we would know, I mean we would all know this is this
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is they were able to get away with this because it's a women's
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program. There aren't.
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There's not that many media that cover it.
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And the media Birch's. Trying Birch.
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She's trying. You know, If there's a story to
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be told, Birch's going to tell it despite the fact.
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That I just want to get that in. Yep.
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Thank you, John. Appreciate it.
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No, they're not. They won't make it easy, no.
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And that's why I asked the question about the the managers.
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Do you know the answer to that? I mean, they got no.
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I get that everybody wants to climb the ladder, but the fact
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remains as very few are. One of the people that I hung
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out last weekend in Houston was one of those people.
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He also knew to keep his mouth shut.
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And now many decades removed, the stories over a couple of
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beers started to flow and right and we had some mutual
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connections. So that was very fun.
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But now I I think you understand the business.
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And if you're known as somebody that's talking, guess what,
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you're 22 and you graduate, are you going to get that referral?
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Well, if you want to stay in the business, obviously no, but the
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fact remains. Pretty much all of them do.
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Right. But I mean, realistically, like
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I wanted to be a doctor. I mean, realistically, how many
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you know are a hockey player, you know, then reality sits in
39:37
and that job, that pathway is not there for you.
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I don't. I think for a lot of them it is,
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though. That's why you do that, yeah.
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It's kind of like I, I, I would love to know this answer too.
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Why? He's going to make a lot of
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money playing in Europe. How many guys get to go play in
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Europe? Lots.
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Apparently there's there's a a hundreds of jobs every year that
40:00
are open. Oh, more than that.
40:01
Wait, there are leagues everywhere.
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Every country that you could possibly imagine, there's some
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kind of league. Now is it going over there and
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making 50? Grand, but one of those both
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those guys that went over three years ago is just assumed that
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they're a couple of years and they come home.
40:14
That's for the most part, I think that plays out unless
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you're playing it, yeah, some of the elite level leagues and
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things like. That yeah, Aaron Whites out a
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colliding tonight, the NIT and the Crown.
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Anything there that caught your eyes?
41:28
Limited schedule baseball wise, do you have anything?
41:30
There two games tonight as the Twins and the Royals are
41:34
underway. What nothing lead for the
41:35
Twinkies. Did you see any of that
41:36
miserable game yesterday? Miserable because of the
41:38
weather? Kind of like this outside.
41:40
Miserable if you're a Twins fan, too, though.
41:43
I I flipped it on like the 7th inning when they started to come
41:45
back a little bit, they were down 13, four.
41:47
Yeah. So Josh Bell hit a home run.
41:49
Did. You I was gone by then, yeah.
41:52
You should have been, yeah. It looked miserable, though.
41:54
The people that were there. There could have been 100 people
41:56
at that. No, it was very.
41:56
It was empty, Yeah. Inside the building.
41:58
Why would you go? The weirdness of it too.
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Well, and even if you went, you're out of there, Yeah,
42:03
You're not sticking around till the 9th inning.
42:05
Oh, you're soaked. You're cold.
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I got 2 plays for you. All right?
42:09
I'm going to play the Mets -117 tonight out at the Giants.
42:12
A late 8:45 first pitch there. Two teams.
42:16
They're not off to the best of starts.
42:18
And give me the fight in McDermott.
42:19
'S good pick, Creighton. Yes, I like it, Creighton.
42:23
Not so much the head. This is more of a heart, yes,
42:25
but want to see the Blue Jays move on, Want to see Greg
42:28
McDermott continue and hopefully finish on top?
42:31
I'm with you. That's gonna do it.
42:33
We'll be back tomorrow. Appreciate you being with us,
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