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Happy Hour #126: A Toast To Your Health · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stephone
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  Speaker 1: never told you a production of iHeartRadio and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: another happy hour. Kind of an unhappy hour, but you
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  Speaker 1: know it's on the line. It's on the line. We'll
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  Speaker 1: say that as always with these, if you choose to drink,
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  Speaker 1: please do so responsibly. Or whatever you're doing, do you
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  Speaker 1: do so responsibly. Samantha, watch how you're sitting on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I am still in My teeth are the worst,
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  Speaker 2: and having teeth procedures are the worst. So water, just
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  Speaker 2: straight water, H two, your favorite?
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  Speaker 1: It is my favorite, nice chilled water. Oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm missing my bubbles right now a lot, though. I
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  Speaker 2: will say that.
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  Speaker 1: That's yeah, I understand, and I feel I feel for you, Samantha,
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  Speaker 1: I am sipping on wow. Okay, so first let's do
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  Speaker 1: a content warning. This one is kind of an unhappy hour.
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  Speaker 1: We're sort of following up on our episode we did
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  Speaker 1: about disability check in because I just realized a lot
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: of you have written in about that recently and I
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: wanted to talk about that. And I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I'm like the only person who does this, but it
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  Speaker 1: is the anniversary of my dad's death, and every time
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  Speaker 1: that comes around, I drink vodka. Because that's the last
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  Speaker 1: thing we talked about, even though he wasn't a big drinker,
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: that he was talking about his experience at a local
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  Speaker 1: restaurant that is still there after the Peachtree road Race,
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  Speaker 1: which is an Atlanta tradition, and it was just a
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  Speaker 1: funny story. You shared it with me, and that's the
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  Speaker 1: last thing we talked about. But the funny part about
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: this is I forgot that I had bubbled up some
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  Speaker 1: of the flavored water that we got and not regular water,
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  Speaker 1: so it was a taste. I wasn't anticipating. It's not bad,
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  Speaker 1: but I was kind of like, what is this deliver? Yeah, yeah, yep,
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  Speaker 1: but it's nice. It's refreshing. It's very hot here, so
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  Speaker 1: it's nice. So yes, I just wanted to do I
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  Speaker 1: think we should come back into a whole episode on this.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about it in previous episodes, for sure, but
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  Speaker 1: it's just we have heard from a lot of you
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  Speaker 1: about it lately, and that's sort of this whole thing
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  Speaker 1: about women, particularly not being believed in medical settings, whether
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  Speaker 1: that is like actually at a hospital or with a
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  Speaker 1: doctor or just with other people who aren't that, because
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  Speaker 1: we've gotten some messages about things like minopause or PMS
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  Speaker 1: where some of you have reported very frustratingly that you're
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  Speaker 1: basically told there's live with it, like that's too bad,
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  Speaker 1: and you telling the doctor or whoever you know, this
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  Speaker 1: is impacting my life, like I can't function and you're
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  Speaker 1: telling me there's nothing else you can do and just
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  Speaker 1: live with it, and that going on for years, like
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  Speaker 1: having to just deal with that for years sometimes like
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  Speaker 1: over ten years, and just having to fight this fight
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  Speaker 1: and being dismissed. And I think that it is telling
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  Speaker 1: that we've had multiple emails specifically about these issues that
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  Speaker 1: impact more women are people who can get pregnant around
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  Speaker 1: like menopause and PMS, and that being a thing where
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  Speaker 1: they're like, no, that's too bad, so sad, and you
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  Speaker 1: and I have had that before. We've talked about before.
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  Speaker 1: When I first got my period, it was so painful
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  Speaker 1: that they sent me to the guyancologists. The first time
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  Speaker 1: I went to the gynecologist, it was fifteen, and I
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  Speaker 1: got my period when I was nine, so that was late,
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  Speaker 1: like after it started. But the pain was so bad
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  Speaker 1: and they basically were like, you're probably pregnant. I was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not, and then they're like m hm, and that
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  Speaker 1: was sort of the extent of it. They gave me
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  Speaker 1: birth control and sent me on my way, and then
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  Speaker 1: the birth control didn't work, and that was the end
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  Speaker 1: of that, and it just being in this thing. They're like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: once a month ish, that's what you're gonna do, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't feel comfortable taking it off. I actually specifically
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  Speaker 1: remember the first time I ever saw a woman that
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  Speaker 1: I worked with send an email that said, I'm having
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  Speaker 1: a horrible PMS pain. I can't come in, And I
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  Speaker 1: was so like, you can do that. I didn't think
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  Speaker 1: that was allowed. So I've been thinking about that and
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  Speaker 1: how much we just deal with. But also recently it
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  Speaker 1: seems that there are We've gotten a lot of book
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  Speaker 1: recommendations from you all, especially around endometriosis, and so I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking about that too, and I put them on
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  Speaker 1: our list. I want to read them. But a lot
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  Speaker 1: of their stories are like about endometriosis, but also more
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  Speaker 1: largely about this whole thing about women not being believed
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  Speaker 1: about it being expected you just have to deal with it,
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  Speaker 1: not doing like any research about it. And how painful,
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  Speaker 1: completely painful it is. And then you like go go
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  Speaker 1: in and just be told, well, there's nothing we can
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  Speaker 1: do for you, and how demoralizing that is. And again
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  Speaker 1: some of you said you had personally dealt with or
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  Speaker 1: had seen someone in your life deal with years of that,
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  Speaker 1: years of that before you finally got a diagnosis. And
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  Speaker 1: then just along with what we were talking about in
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  Speaker 1: that disability check in episode, and you and I were
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  Speaker 1: kind of just discussing I've had a lot of experiences
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  Speaker 1: like this too. I've had a lot of going in
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  Speaker 1: and just not being believed or being insulted right to
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  Speaker 1: my face about how I needed, like to lose weight,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't in shape, stuff like that. Oh boy, I
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  Speaker 1: felt like you're being emotional right now, And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: pretty young kid. Where that left a pretty big impression
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  Speaker 1: on me that, Okay, I can't communicate this without it
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  Speaker 1: being dismissed or judged in that way. And that does
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  Speaker 1: impact whether or not you go in at all, because
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  Speaker 1: we've been discussing our medical issues and I do feel
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  Speaker 1: like if I go in, I have to have like
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  Speaker 1: a proof that something is really wrong right or else
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  Speaker 1: I just don't want to go, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I grew up in a home where you
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  Speaker 2: don't go to the doc unless something is bleeding, broken
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  Speaker 2: or you're vomiting mm hmm. And it's kind of that
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  Speaker 2: kind of mentality for me as well as like you.
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  Speaker 2: And it seemed like a thing of pride too, which
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  Speaker 2: is a whole level yeah, like ableism that doesn't make
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  Speaker 2: sense anyway. It absolutely did not help you because you
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  Speaker 2: can't tell your help. Like my mom almost died because
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  Speaker 2: that kind of attitude. She did go, she wasn't one
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  Speaker 2: of the ones that we've talked about it before. She
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  Speaker 2: did finally go because she's like, this is too much,
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  Speaker 2: and the first two doctors were like, no, it's fine,
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  Speaker 2: it's just stress. And then one doctor was like, oh wait,
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  Speaker 2: you're having jow pain and you have this we need
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  Speaker 2: to take your heart and she's like what, And then
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  Speaker 2: it turned out she had a ninety seven percent blockage
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  Speaker 2: of her main artery, literally called the doctors called the
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  Speaker 2: widow maker because most people die from that type of
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  Speaker 2: type of blockage. But like her initial response was I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to doctor. I'm fine, I'm stressed too, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: there is something wrong, and that fact that it took
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  Speaker 2: her that long to tell somebody, and then people still
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  Speaker 2: didn't believe her, Like no, no, you need to understand
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  Speaker 2: most women are most likely not going to go unless
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  Speaker 2: absolutely something is bothering them, and whether it's just chronic
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  Speaker 2: pain that needs to be managed that unfortunately people don't
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  Speaker 2: take the time to study and so therefore we don't
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of at least maintenance stuff or healthy
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  Speaker 2: alternatives because there's not enough for research most likely. But
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  Speaker 2: like that kind of level of the fact that most people,
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  Speaker 2: and I will say, in our culture and our level
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  Speaker 2: of like na, na, na, we're okay, We're okay, We're okay,
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  Speaker 2: that whole like if it's you know, if it's bleeding,
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  Speaker 2: cut it off, you're going type of thing, like bands
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  Speaker 2: yourself up and get going. That attitude really is prevalent
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  Speaker 2: because a part of our like boomer parents telling us
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  Speaker 2: this and we're like, yeah, absolutely, that's exactly what it is.
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  Speaker 2: We have to do this, and or like my mother
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  Speaker 2: who wasn't believed until something was absolutely wrong and like
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  Speaker 2: almost too late, and we're like, hey, well, why don't
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  Speaker 2: you listen, And what's the use of us going in
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  Speaker 2: if this is the treatment that we get like we
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  Speaker 2: talked about my dental experience recently really has pushed me away.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to go back because of that.
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  Speaker 2: Like literally her asking me, do you just not care
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  Speaker 2: for your teeth instead of being like, yeah, oh no,
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  Speaker 2: I have enameled dispicialcy because as a child I was malnourished.
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  Speaker 2: I don't thank you to explain, and she kind of
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  Speaker 2: backtracked a little bit. She's like, oh, okay and just
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  Speaker 2: moves on. I'm like, did you not just hear yourself?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Bool?
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  Speaker 2: I really this is exciting. This is my favorite space.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I just have so many memories where
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  Speaker 1: that kind of similar you come in and then are
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  Speaker 1: kind of shamed for coming in or even feel kind
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  Speaker 1: of I had one experience. I still don't know what
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  Speaker 1: to make of this, honestly, but I couldn't move because
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  Speaker 1: of anesthetics. And the guy that was like working on
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  Speaker 1: me was like he said something very strange while I
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: couldn't move, that was like, you know, you need to
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  Speaker 1: some day some men might try to take advantage of
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  Speaker 1: you and you need to be really vigilant about it.
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  Speaker 1: And it was just so I couldn't move. The moment
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  Speaker 1: like this, I don't know why you're telling to me
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  Speaker 1: this right now, but you are freaking me out.
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  Speaker 2: What have you done? Like what the hell? Man?
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  Speaker 1: It was very scary, and so that's like another you
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  Speaker 1: won't go in. And I had another time where I
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  Speaker 1: ended up feeling very vindicated, which is not necessarily a
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  Speaker 1: healthy thing. But I went in and I was in
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  Speaker 1: such pain and he was like pressing his elbow down
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  Speaker 1: on my stomach to like sill for things. And I
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  Speaker 1: was crying and he was like, just it's fine, like
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  Speaker 1: it's fine, as fine as fine, And it turned out
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  Speaker 1: I had all these cysts like I did have like
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  Speaker 1: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of elbow, Like you can't tell anything with an elbow,
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  Speaker 2: that's like taking his foot what.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Samantha, But my dad was there, and
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  Speaker 1: it was I felt so embarrassed because this doctor basically
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  Speaker 1: said in front of my dad, like suck it up.
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  Speaker 1: It was just not good. And I've that there's so
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  Speaker 1: many experiences like that that I've heard from all of
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  Speaker 1: you lately, Like so it's it's frustrating, It's it's one
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  Speaker 1: of those things that we talked about so much where
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad, you know, we're talking about it, and we
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  Speaker 1: were finding out we're not the only ones and we're
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  Speaker 1: connecting over that. But it shouldn't be this way. It
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be that we're getting so many emails where recently
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  Speaker 1: where I'm like, oh wow, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You would think it would get better. But then we
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: talked about the fact that the new open fear is
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: being filmed or and off during like if we were
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  Speaker 2: under or something, seeing actual professionals shaming patients by doing
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  Speaker 2: TikTok videos about I'm like, why even if you've got permission,
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  Speaker 2: why are you filming people? Like I could understand if
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  Speaker 2: you're doing for research purposes with other doctors and it
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  Speaker 2: is a scientific notion of something and you've gotten written
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  Speaker 2: consent like permission, but to shame people during surgery or
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  Speaker 2: make fun of them, or like they have been caught
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  Speaker 2: because the things they do or say and not realizing
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  Speaker 2: that they're being recorded that dude, You're like, like, there's
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  Speaker 2: one thing to play like this, please just be professional?
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  Speaker 2: Can we can?
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  Speaker 3: You?
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  Speaker 2: Can you keep a professional please?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And I no joke. Samantha did not know we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about this today. I just kind of brought it
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  Speaker 1: out and we were talking about this organically before we
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  Speaker 1: even started. And I remember the very first time I
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  Speaker 1: saw these pictures of doctors like taking pictures with people
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  Speaker 1: who were under and making fun of them and all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff, and I was like, this is a new
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  Speaker 1: concern I didn't know I needed to have. But now
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  Speaker 1: I'm even less incentizzed to go in.
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  Speaker 2: Like this makes me want to go in less and
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  Speaker 2: especially like there are things that I'm like, I wish
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  Speaker 2: I never knew, like the doctors talking about these are
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: the things that you the doctors won't tell you. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: please don't tell me. That makes me not want to
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  Speaker 2: go in. I want to be safe. But the same time,
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  Speaker 2: now I'm like shame, Like before I walk in, I'm like, nah, no,
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  Speaker 2: I know that you think bad of all of us,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And another thing I've I hate and I've had to
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  Speaker 1: struggle with And I talked to my therapists about it
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  Speaker 1: because they have gain weight during the pandemic and I
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  Speaker 1: know that weigh you right at the beginning, like I
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: that has held me back too, And my therapist told
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  Speaker 1: me there are doctors who you can say like I have.
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  Speaker 1: I've struggled with this before, please do not do this,
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  Speaker 1: and they will.
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  Speaker 2: Actually like I went to somebody recently where they were like,
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  Speaker 2: that's an option, you don't have to And then also
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  Speaker 2: they're like I can walk out of the room and
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  Speaker 2: you can look. I've had that too, So interesting. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I've had a couple of vicients where like.
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  Speaker 1: That, which is good. And I just didn't even know
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  Speaker 1: that was a thing. And that's That's another another part
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  Speaker 1: of this that I have been struggling with and that
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  Speaker 1: we were also discussing before.
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  Speaker 3: This is.
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  Speaker 1: In all of our reading of books about disability justice,
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: disability rights, and our research we've done on it, there
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: are just so many things where now I look at
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  Speaker 1: it in a different way, and one of them is
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: phone calls, because I there's a couple reasons why I
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: don't like phone calls. One of them, I will admit
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: is I just don't like them, but some of them
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: are like legitimately I struggle to understand people on phone
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  Speaker 1: calls for physical reasons. And I'll find things that will
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: say like we only do it on phone call because
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  Speaker 1: of this, and I'm like, well, not everyone can do that.
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  Speaker 1: Not everyone can do that, And just like I feel
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  Speaker 1: like something has opened to me where I'm seeing more
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: and more all of these but you're not being totally accessible.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: And I mean we're a podcasts and I know we
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: don't have transcripts, so I just want to be clear,
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  Speaker 1: like I understand. But it's just something I'm noticing in
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  Speaker 1: more places, right and trying to be better about my
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: own life. I did. This sounds so small, but for me,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, ooh, I did ask someone if we
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: could swap sides so I could hear them better recently. Yeah,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh hey, and they, of course they were like, yeah, quickly,
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  Speaker 1: remind me easy, definitely, no problem. Cool. But then I
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  Speaker 1: did want to say a lot of times when I
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: think of my dad, one of the things I think
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: of is like in his final years is that when
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  Speaker 1: he went in when he found out he had cancer,
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  Speaker 1: the doctor told him you should have come in earlier,
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  Speaker 1: and he came in every year for preventative stuff, like
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  Speaker 1: every year. And I'm totally for like preventive preventative care
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: and checking all that stuff. I don't want to make
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  Speaker 1: it sound like I'm not, but that's still kind of
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  Speaker 1: the same thing because he was like, no, I do.
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  Speaker 1: I did, and to kind of turn it back on you, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: if you would come in earlier, then we could have
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  Speaker 1: caught it.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that's an etiquette no no in general,
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  Speaker 2: when someone has a life threatening disease, Well, if you've
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  Speaker 2: done this something earlier, you may have dude, I would
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  Speaker 2: say that out loud.
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  Speaker 1: It just stuck with me so much because actually my
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: parents they both did like every year they do physical
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: if there's anything that comes up, they would go and
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  Speaker 1: do it. My mom still does it, and so I
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  Speaker 1: just remember hearing that. No, it was just like another
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  Speaker 1: thing where it's like, well, even if I do go
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  Speaker 1: in apparently all DAYNT catch it so right. And I
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  Speaker 1: totally understand. I have a lot of friends in the
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  Speaker 1: medical industry, Like I totally understand sometimes you don't get it,
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  Speaker 1: you don't catch it. Human body is complicated. But just
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the way that he like phrased it.
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  Speaker 2: That's such a weird way that, especially if.
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  Speaker 1: He has his chart right, like you can see he
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: gave it.
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  Speaker 2: I really want to like And again, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: we do have friends in a medical profession who are amazing.
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  Speaker 2: They are so good and I can just go to
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: them without them seeing my personal but like that's just
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  Speaker 2: embarrassing itself. But like there's also to those like this
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: is still a profession? Is there not a level of
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: professionalism that is required, like do no harm as part
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: of the motto. Don't you think say tell someone you
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: could be alive if you've done this, as if it's
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: their fault is doing harm? Like does that just being physical?
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  Speaker 2: Are you being very very literal?
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand. Yeah, yeah, it just really stuck with
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  Speaker 1: me and I do, like I literally think about it
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  Speaker 1: every time I think about going to the doctor. So
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: it's just a lot of stuff to wrestle with, and
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  Speaker 1: I do want to. We had some of those books
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  Speaker 1: that you all suggested around this on our list already,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm excited, Slash. I'm no, I'm gonna be angry,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: but just know that we hear you and we are
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  Speaker 1: angry on your behalf and very sorry that this is
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: the state of things. But well, hopefully, well we'll talk
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: it out. I don't know, because I know, like we
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: did an episode on this very thing, I think five
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