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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, May 26 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, May twenty six, Jack Waise Happy Hour,
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  Speaker 1: and now a guy who believed a stands for Order
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  Speaker 1: ten appetizers. J Peace, Yeah, it's not wrong. Welcome man,
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  Speaker 1: it's Jack Horn's Happy Hour. Well, I'm J. P. Shadrick. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a busy show ahead. O Taser here, Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Lockhaman is here. As always, we'll hear from Doug Peterson
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  Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence to get their reaction to the opening
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  Speaker 1: of Order ten appetizers, and we'll go around the National
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  Speaker 1: Football League as we always do. Plenty of news around
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  Speaker 1: the league, some rules changes in terms of roster numbers
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  Speaker 1: for the practice squads and things like that coming up.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Lockhaman with us. Now, what's up, Jeffrey, it's all good.
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  Speaker 1: It's all good. JP. By the way, what's wrong with appetizers? Nothing?
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  Speaker 1: Especially ten of him. Yeah. That's the best way to
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  Speaker 1: go about dinner sometimes is you know, you get a
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  Speaker 1: sample order about five or six appetizers for a couple
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  Speaker 1: of people, get a side salad, you go, you call
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  Speaker 1: it tap us and you can charge two more dollars. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's the same thing. Yeah, that's a good idea. Gonna
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  Speaker 1: do I'm a big appetizer guy, especially when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to seafood from cocktail shrimp, cocktail, fried shrimp, bang bang shrimp.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm on forest from sear tunor. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So we wanted to get to organized team activities are
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  Speaker 1: here of course. The only session this week open to
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  Speaker 1: the media was Monday, and Doug Peterson Loggs met the
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  Speaker 1: media ahead of practice and explains what he wants to
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  Speaker 1: see as the offseason program continues. I think just continuing
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  Speaker 1: to grow as a football team, coming to other um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as we built towards training camp. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's probably the number the number one thing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: really is is just building that cohesiveness again. The players
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  Speaker 1: and coaches are getting getting to know each other still,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and and um, you know, I think that's
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  Speaker 1: a that's a big part of these next you know,
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  Speaker 1: three and a half, four weeks whatever we got left,
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  Speaker 1: so they have it, um yeah, getting to know each other,
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  Speaker 1: taking it from the classroom onto the field. What do
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  Speaker 1: you think of the pace of practice and everything the
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  Speaker 1: other Well, it was good and it's certainly a different
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  Speaker 1: pace than the rookie camp because the rookie camp is
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  Speaker 1: much slower, it's more methodical, there's more explanation where when
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  Speaker 1: the veterans get out there. And there by the way,
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  Speaker 1: there were a few guys that were not in attendance.
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  Speaker 1: Remember the O t A s are voluntary, and most
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  Speaker 1: of the guys that weren't there had good reasons for
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  Speaker 1: not being there. Doesn't matter. But the tempo is much
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  Speaker 1: higher compared to the rookie minicamp because that's what you
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  Speaker 1: would expect. I mean, there's guys that have been around
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  Speaker 1: and been playing football for a longer period of time
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  Speaker 1: than just the rookies, and so the veterans kind of
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  Speaker 1: established the tempo the rookies have to keep up and
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  Speaker 1: uh and I really liked the tempo. I liked the
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  Speaker 1: way that the coaching happened in practice. There wasn't screaming
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  Speaker 1: and yelling. There wasn't a megaphone telling you what period
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  Speaker 1: it was and remember to focus when you're not in
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  Speaker 1: and it's plus two and this and that. It felt serious, relaxed,
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  Speaker 1: and a very deep teaching hour and a half. And
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  Speaker 1: that's the way it should be in the National Footall League.
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  Speaker 1: And it was good to watch some of the guys
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  Speaker 1: that we haven't seen in a long period of time,
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  Speaker 1: and it was good to see some of the guys
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  Speaker 1: that were hurt last year either working in practice or
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  Speaker 1: working on the side. It was including Travis E. T
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  Speaker 1: N who got hurt. Full go and that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: Cut and moving, running, jumping, the whole deal. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: he and he looked good. I mean he had he
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  Speaker 1: had a drop one time, but look, everybody has that.
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  Speaker 1: And uh. I think the thing that surprised me the
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  Speaker 1: most is typically when you have O. T. A. S
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  Speaker 1: there's the old saying that the offense doesn't run or
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  Speaker 1: hit come out of the gate as fast as the
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  Speaker 1: defense because the offense is about timing and continuity and rhythm,
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  Speaker 1: whereas the defense it's about speed, athleticism, aggressiveness, which it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot easier to get to that speed as the
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  Speaker 1: defense compared to the offense. But I thought that the
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  Speaker 1: offense held its own. I thought Trevor looked very sharp.
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  Speaker 1: Besides the one pass that he ended up throwing right
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  Speaker 1: to Divon Hamilton on a kind of a he's trying
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  Speaker 1: to dump it off to Evan Ingram. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was underneath and it's not a very um well thought
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  Speaker 1: out throw. By Trevor in that case because he was
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  Speaker 1: thrown back to the middle across the body. Not what
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  Speaker 1: you want to do. But number fifty two is a
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  Speaker 1: large human being. Yes, he is between the five and
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  Speaker 1: the two. He is, and he did a good job.
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  Speaker 1: He caught it, it ran with it, and the defense
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  Speaker 1: had a great moment in practice. Yes, so, and glad
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  Speaker 1: to see that Trevor didn't try to make a touchdown
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  Speaker 1: saving tackle that stay away with the red jersey, don't
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  Speaker 1: don't touch the quarterback. So yeah, good to see some
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  Speaker 1: of those. Good to see some of the new faces
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  Speaker 1: that are here. Obviously the free agent guys we got
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  Speaker 1: our first chance to look at Christian Kirk had a
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  Speaker 1: couple of catches that, uh, seem to have a little
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  Speaker 1: something going. Do you buy the the whole building of
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  Speaker 1: an unfield connection now to pay dividends later in training
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  Speaker 1: camp in preseason? Absolutely you do. I think. I think
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  Speaker 1: the timing, the relationships, the communication between quarterback and all
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  Speaker 1: of his weapons is critical to build at this moment.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of guys that are getting reps
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  Speaker 1: because they're still trying to figure out who those guys
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  Speaker 1: are gonna be once it starts coming down to kick
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  Speaker 1: off time for a real game. But for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: they know who those guys are gonna be. But it's
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  Speaker 1: a it's critically important that those guys get the reps now,
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  Speaker 1: which is kind of surprising. And I know we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get to around the league later on, but you've got
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  Speaker 1: other guys and other teams in the league that aren't
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  Speaker 1: having everybody in attendance like the Jaguars do, which look,
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars had the worst record in football two years
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  Speaker 1: in a row. They need to get the work together
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  Speaker 1: like the Ravens. For example, Lamar Jackson is not in
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  Speaker 1: the O Tater at the O t a s. Tom
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  Speaker 1: Brady is doing some and not doing others. But he's
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  Speaker 1: the goat. He doesn't need to do a lot of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. But Trevor Lawrence and and his guys they
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  Speaker 1: need to get every rep possible for two reasons. One,
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  Speaker 1: it's a completely new system with the new coaching staff,
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  Speaker 1: and they need to not only to learn how to
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  Speaker 1: understand the new system, but also to communicate with their
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  Speaker 1: coaches and their teammates. I mean, that's the biggest reason why.
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  Speaker 1: And if you don't take advantage of that when you're
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  Speaker 1: the ball team that hasn't been very good, you've got
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  Speaker 1: no chance. And so it's good to see everybody out there.
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour on Tinton Next selling Jaguars dot Com.
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  Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick with Jeff Logubun. Let's hear from Trevor Lawrence,
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars quarterback, on the start of the organized team activities.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a couple of different phases. Now we're back
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  Speaker 1: into competing against the defense, and um, that's a little
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  Speaker 1: easier to measure because you can, you know, you can
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  Speaker 1: put a grade on it, you can say it was
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  Speaker 1: that successful or not, you know, complete and complete all
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  Speaker 1: those things. It's a little tougher on air. I think
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  Speaker 1: having those few weeks though to prepare and really master
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  Speaker 1: the system helps And now, like today, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: we were pretty clean. Obviously, you're gonna always have a
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  Speaker 1: few a few things here and there you want to
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  Speaker 1: clean up. But I really like where we're at. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like we're I don't want to say ahead of schedule,
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  Speaker 1: but I really feel like we're right where we need
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  Speaker 1: to be. Um the way that you know, Coach Peterson
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  Speaker 1: press all those all of our our whole staff is
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  Speaker 1: installed the offense, you know, really strategically, and um, I
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  Speaker 1: really like where we're at and the guys are picking
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  Speaker 1: it up great. The question to Trevor Lawrence here was
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  Speaker 1: how do you measure um success? Building? Is it day
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  Speaker 1: to day? You know, how do you as an offense
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  Speaker 1: and as yourself? How do you? And that was his answer. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and if you pulled thirty two teams quarterbacks, they would
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  Speaker 1: all have a very similar answer. We really like where
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  Speaker 1: we are. We're doing really well. Our tempo is great,
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  Speaker 1: We're building a camaraderie, we're building towards the season. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: so everybody has a winning may, right, everybody has a
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  Speaker 1: winning jury were undefeated and may and absolutely so. I
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  Speaker 1: mean you would expect some of the answers that he has,
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  Speaker 1: but but it's good. It's good to see the amount
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  Speaker 1: when you when you talk about the brain power of
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  Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball that they have there
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  Speaker 1: with Press Taylor and Mike McCoy and and of course
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  Speaker 1: Duck Peterson as the head coach, Jim Bob Cooter the
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  Speaker 1: passing game coordinator, there's a lot of guys on that
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  Speaker 1: side of the ball that are gonna be able to
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  Speaker 1: provide some great insight into the offense and into the
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  Speaker 1: performance of the offense and into the design of the offense.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's that's really a strong, really strong
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  Speaker 1: thing about this offense and a strong thing about Doug
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  Speaker 1: Peterson's staff. The offensive side of the ball has a
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  Speaker 1: lot of really good minds and a lot of minds
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  Speaker 1: JP that have very good experience, great experience working with
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback in the NFL, in the NFL, not at
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  Speaker 1: some college school. And that's that's great what you gotta have.
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  Speaker 1: And the defense has some great experience too, Okay, not
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  Speaker 1: as much as the offense, and that's okay, part of
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  Speaker 1: I think sometimes the one thing I think that you've
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  Speaker 1: got to be careful of is that when you have,
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  Speaker 1: when you have that many minds and that many people
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  Speaker 1: that you know, I'm sitting here talking about the great
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  Speaker 1: virtues that they bring to the offense of the offense,
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  Speaker 1: the staff, you have to make sure and I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say be cautious, but there needs to be
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  Speaker 1: a very specific set of marching orders and about job
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  Speaker 1: description because you can't have the quarterbacks coach, okay, disagreeing
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  Speaker 1: with the offensive coordinator because he's been a head coach,
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  Speaker 1: and he's been an offensive coordinator before. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: there's you've got to make sure that you know the
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  Speaker 1: old saying you can't have too many chefs in the kitchen. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you need to have the one guy that's kind of
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  Speaker 1: the head of the of the kitchen, and then everybody
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  Speaker 1: else has certain jobs and responsibilities to do. And of
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  Speaker 1: course you have the the master chef. I thought there
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  Speaker 1: was too many cooks in the kitchen, however you want
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  Speaker 1: to call it chef's cooks JP. Okay, the kitchens you
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  Speaker 1: go to as there cooks, the kitchens that I go to,
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  Speaker 1: chef like Chef Gordon, the whole thing. Yeah. Me on
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  Speaker 1: the other hand, Yeah, but I I do. I like
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  Speaker 1: the the experience that the offense has. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun to watch. I mean, there's there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of bright minds on that side of the
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  Speaker 1: ball now, and if Trevor Lawrence doesn't have the ability
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  Speaker 1: or cannot find a way to soak in all of that,
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  Speaker 1: are as much of that knowledge as possible. But I
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  Speaker 1: believe that Trevor Lawrence is going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: soak in as much as possible, and the one thing
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  Speaker 1: I want to see him out of him JP, because
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  Speaker 1: you know that we only saw the first day and
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  Speaker 1: there's a long way to go and O T A. S.
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  Speaker 1: And and and also you have the mandatory minicamp coming up
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of June. But you want to start
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  Speaker 1: to see the leadership of Trevor Lawrence, the ownership of
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence in the offense. And and that takes time.
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  Speaker 1: That's not something that just happens automatically the first day
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  Speaker 1: that he's out there with his with his new teammates
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  Speaker 1: and his new coaches. That's something that has to be built.
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  Speaker 1: The confidence has to be gained. But at some point
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  Speaker 1: you want to see that to where you see him
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  Speaker 1: starting to correct guy, starting to demand more of his teammates.
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  Speaker 1: And when you when you start to see that, I
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  Speaker 1: think that he starts to say, yeah, okay, now now
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  Speaker 1: you can feel it. You can feel how his ownership
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  Speaker 1: is making a difference. Hey, imagine this. We're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: more from Trevor Lawrence coming up, good Jaguars quarterback and
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  Speaker 1: Doug Peterson Jaguars head coach. We'll hear from g M.
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  Speaker 1: Trent balky Is as well. A little later he joined
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  Speaker 1: John Osan the Ozone podcast earlier today. The Jaguars are
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  Speaker 1: future focused and ready for a new look. In two
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  Speaker 1: ready for a great home schedule here in two luck
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  Speaker 1: nine O four six three three two thousand. We'll return
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  Speaker 1: in a moment with a little defensive talk, get logs
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on the front seven as actually and all the
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  Speaker 1: new faces there for the Jaguars defense is Jaguars Happy
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  Speaker 1: Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network right here. I'm really
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  Speaker 1: excited about the future. Obviously we all learned a lot
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  Speaker 1: last year, but being able to build on what we
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  Speaker 1: have now and really create something here, something special. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we have a lot of the right
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  Speaker 1: people and that's that's what you need, is big people,
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  Speaker 1: and we got that, so, I mean, I'm looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to it. That was Trevor Lawrence and that is the
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  Speaker 1: Hunt tonight, chapter three on the Jaguars YouTube channel and
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars Social media. But check it out
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  Speaker 1: tonight and I think it's a long one, like twenty
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  Speaker 1: minutes or something like. It's nice behind the scenes acts
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  Speaker 1: you can't twenty minutes. Yes, that's a lot. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I've been working on this for a long time, Max Hawkman,
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  Speaker 1: our entire broadcast crew and digital crew, and um, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's um, it's twenty minutes. I mean, here's a here's
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  Speaker 1: a reality because these videos that they've put together have
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  Speaker 1: been fantastic. When you say twenty minutes, it's long, when
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't feel long, it'll fly by. But it's access
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  Speaker 1: you don't get literally anywhere else. That's cool stuff. Put
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  Speaker 1: it this way. I watch it. Wow, they seriously. I
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  Speaker 1: watch it and I enjoy it. I mean it's uh,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's very entertaining. I think they do a
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  Speaker 1: great job. Whether the production on, it's awesome. And congratulations
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  Speaker 1: to all the guys that contributed to do that because
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  Speaker 1: they do a wonderful job. So check it out tonight
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  Speaker 1: on the Jaguars YouTube channel about seven o'clock or so.
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  Speaker 1: And let's move along to defense now logs. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of new faces on defense around here. Um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: draft picks, some free agent guys have come in. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's hard to tell on a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: right now because there's no contact going on but what
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  Speaker 1: stood out the most to you on the defensive side
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  Speaker 1: the other day. I think, first and foremost some of
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  Speaker 1: the free agent guys that you signed. The big guys.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to tell on them, I mean, because the
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  Speaker 1: big guys aren't pounding. You don't really kind of learn
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  Speaker 1: anything about the big guys other than man, he looks
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  Speaker 1: really big in clothes. But you'll find out more about
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  Speaker 1: them when the pads go on. But I really like
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  Speaker 1: the energy of a little coon the guy. He practices
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  Speaker 1: like I watched him on film, which means ton of energy,
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  Speaker 1: has never ending energy, is always all over the field,
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  Speaker 1: and that was good to watch. Now, Fotakasi big dude.
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  Speaker 1: You know, big dude, And I think I think the
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  Speaker 1: one thing that I want to see more of is
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  Speaker 1: that the guys that were drafted the last couple of
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  Speaker 1: years that are that are in that position to have
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity to contribute for them to step pop. You
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  Speaker 1: go back a couple of years ago, Devon Hambleton's was
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  Speaker 1: a third round pick. We were talking about this before
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  Speaker 1: we came off. And when you expend a third round
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  Speaker 1: pick on the defensive tackle, you want to start to
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  Speaker 1: see some dividends. And last year to Von Hamilton's I
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  Speaker 1: thought took a step back. Well, this is a third
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  Speaker 1: round pick defensive tackle. You want to see him take
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  Speaker 1: a step up. Okay, last year's fourth round pick J
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  Speaker 1: two fell A didn't make much of an impact, was
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  Speaker 1: hardly active for any games at all last year. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: these are two guys that play the same position of
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  Speaker 1: photo Kasi, who you went and signed in free agency
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  Speaker 1: and gave a bunch of money to in free agency
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  Speaker 1: because you felt like there maybe those other two guys
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  Speaker 1: weren't quite where you needed them to be at. If
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  Speaker 1: those other two guys are playing well, maybe you don't
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  Speaker 1: go out and get a photo COSI. So I want
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  Speaker 1: to see some of these younger defensive tackles, some of
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  Speaker 1: these guys that they've picked over the last couple of years,
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  Speaker 1: all of them, not just the defensive tackles, even you know,
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  Speaker 1: the young safety they got from Syracuse last year, Cisco,
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  Speaker 1: I want to see him take a step up. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: these are the guys that are gonna be the guys
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  Speaker 1: that either make this team better and help this team
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  Speaker 1: climb out of the whole that they've been in the
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  Speaker 1: last two years, or they don't and they've got to
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  Speaker 1: find a way to get production out of these draft
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  Speaker 1: picks that they've had in the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about just Okay, he's got a
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  Speaker 1: role because he's played. I'm talking about being a significant
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  Speaker 1: contributor to winning winning. That's there's a big difference between
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  Speaker 1: being a contributor and being a contributor to winning. At
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  Speaker 1: some point, you just gotta you gotta put Cisco on
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  Speaker 1: the field. That was part of the thing last year,
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  Speaker 1: right Well, I just didn't put him out there, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And look, look I don't really quite understand. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he was coming back from an injury at Syracuse, and
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  Speaker 1: so you understand some of the Okay, we're gonna make
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  Speaker 1: sure that he comes back and he's healthy and he's good,
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  Speaker 1: and we don't want to put too much on his table.
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  Speaker 1: And there's always a little bit of a an adjustment
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  Speaker 1: period for every rookie that comes in, and it's different
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  Speaker 1: for every rookie. And I think Cisco has tremendous ball
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: skills and you've got to find a way to get
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: him on the field. No offense to Andrew Winger, Okay,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: but Andrew Winger can't make plays on the ball like
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: like a Cisco. He can just look at the numbers,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: look at the numbers of the opportunities that both of
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: these guys had in college, and I think those numbers
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: speak very very loudly that Cisco makes plays on the
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: ball and that wingered. I think the best role for
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: him is as a sub safety, which means that he's
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: a backup and that he is one of your core
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: for special teams players and and there's nothing wrong with that.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: He can have a very long career and be a
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: very very valuable piece to this football team in that role.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Everybody's got to have a role, and I think that's
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: the best role for him. Devin Lloyd, what stands out
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: when you first see him running around with the veterans.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: We saw him a rookie mini camp, of course, but
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, here he is on the
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: field with all the old guys. I thought he blending
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: in a little bit. When I say blended in, which
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: means that he didn't stand out as much with the veterans,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: just because there's a little bit of an adjustment period.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: You're trying to keep the pace in the tempo. The
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: veterans who have been doing it for a little bit.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: And also you're trying to understand the tempo, the way
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: that you're supposed to practice, and that the way that
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the veterans and the coaches established that. So his athleticism
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: definitely still stands out. But when you go from the
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: rookie camp to where you just go, wow, that guy
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: is really athletic and he really stands out, and you
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: put him around a lot more talented athletes and other
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: talented linebackers, you're like, Okay, he definitely fits in, but
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: he's not standing out yet. That will come with confidence
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and and when he understands the system a lot more.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: But he's still in that learning phase. Remember JP, the practice,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: the only practice that we all have seen is the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: very first one, and so that's just such a small
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: sample size. And it's also the first sample size, which
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: typically is something that is a little bit slower for
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: the younger players and they're they're still in the mode
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: of taking things in and digesting them. Trayvon Walker was
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: not in attendance on Monday in the open practice. Reports
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: today that he was attending a funeral and is back
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: with the team now, So we didn't get a chance
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to see him out there with the veterans on Monday,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: but hopefully next week we will. Um. You know, then
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: there's guys who've been around here for a minute, right Um.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: You mentioned some of the middle round draft picks on
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the d line, but you like Calebon chaise On, he's
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: a first round pick. Logs like, at some point you
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: gotta get something more production out of him at that position.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: And now there's there's all these new faces coming in
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: at outside linebacker with Walker and Josh Allen is still there,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and uh, a guy like cheese On is one of
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: those guys that something out of caleban is is going
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to be fighting for a roster spot. I mean it's
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's plain and simple. I mean that's you.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: You're you're fighting for a job. I'm not. I don't
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: think he's in the situation of Okay, he's fighting for
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: for playing time. Okay, because if he's fighting for that,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: who is he going to take time away from? Is
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: he gonna take time away from Josh Allen? No, Trayvon Walker, No,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Um Smoot No. Now, last year he's he kind of
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: split time with Smoot. Smoot clearly showed last year that
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Smoot deserves to be definitely ahead of Calebn chays On.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to to down Calebn Chase and
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: he just he has to take significant steps up in
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: his game for him to earn a role as a
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: regular contributor on defense. So act, I mean, that's just
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the way it is. And right now he is. I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: don't want to say he's a low man on the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: totem pole, but he's lower in the pecking order than
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: being a regular rotation guy because you've added to that
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: position in the draft with a first overall draft pick
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: who has a ton of talent. And so I think
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: that that's something to what what what do you say
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to be determined? He's got to earn it. He's good.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: He's definitely got it now. I thought he took a
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: step up last year, but it wasn't a significant step up.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: We thought early on that he was starting to show
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: a significant step, but then as the season wore on,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: it is like, it's kind of okay, he's got to
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: be better. He would be four and a half million
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: dead cap this year. I mean, they're not gonna let
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: him go. He's gonna make the roster. Well, when I
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: when I say he's he's trying to find a spot.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: When I say he's trying to find a spot, I'd
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: say find a role, not so much a spot. That's
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: that's much difference. Sorry, and I should have explained that
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. But I mean, he is a
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be fighting for a spot. Now would
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: you would you cut a guy like that? I don't
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: see that the first round pick and you find a
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: place for it, Well, he's got to earn it. I mean,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: he just don't find a place. He's not gonna be
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: given a place. He's still gotta he's still got to
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: earn something. But the amount of money that he's gonna
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: get is guaranteed anyway, So you're gonna have to pay
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: him regardless of whether he's on the roster or not.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: So I think that comes into place that gives him
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: an advantage over a guy that even might be slightly better,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: but would be a minimum salary guy. You said, Darren, go, Well,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I mean he's a first round pick. We can't give
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: up on him after two years. We've got to give
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: him in a year three, right, So you're gonna give
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: him every opportunity getting better. But he's got to start
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: to show that he's getting better. Yeah, and where do
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: you play him? Is he's still a true outsideline? But
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I think that's great question. I think that's a great question.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And I think that he's been an outside guy. I
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: mean he's outside guy. L s U outside guys, rookie,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: y're outside guy year two. He doesn't strike me as
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: stout enough to to go put a hand on the
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: ground in this. No no, no, no, no, no no no,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking out loud here JP and that Okay. The
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: only other position that you would maybe playing at would
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: be at an inside linebacking position. But they're stacked there
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I don't know. I think that's interesting.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: So I think you sit there and you go, okay, Well,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: first of all, you need to find a way for
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: him to get better at the outside linebacking position. Boy,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: wouldn't it be great if he could cross train where
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: he could be one of those guys that could play
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: inside and outside. And then also you have to be
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: a core for special team or when I say core
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: for you know your four main special teams kickoff, kickoff return,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: punt and punt return. That that's that's your core for
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: special teams. Okay, And when you say he needs to
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: be a core four special teamer, that means that he's
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: on every one of those units. Okay. He has the speed,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: he has the power, he has the agility to play
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: on every one of those units. So you would love
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to find or or you would love to see that
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: he has the ability to be a core for guy
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and then continues to work at his craft and outside
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: linebacker and finds a way that he can contribute. Putting ahead,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: we'll hear from Doug Peterson again on what Trevor Lawrence
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: in the offense should look like at the end of
• 25:32
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• 26:21
  Speaker 1: from Doug Peterson as Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Digital Network, Jaguars fans, you know, for him just again
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: staying comfortable and getting more comfortable with the offense. Um.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: You know, I really like his his dialogue with you know,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: with coach McCoy, impressed on myself and things that he
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: likes and doesn't like him. Um, I just want to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: see that that growth in him here as we you know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: sort of wind down you know the off season and
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Europe for training camp. But you know, he's been he's
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: been focus, he's been here, he's he's been attentive, he's
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: done a good job on the football field. He's a leader.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Uh and those are the things that we want to
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: continue now, you know as we hit entertaining. That's head
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: coach Doug Peterson earlier this week, welcome back, it's Jaguars
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Happy Hour, JP Shatrick with Jeff Logman, Joe Fortunado, Brent
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: re Were along with US sand Glad gr with us
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Son Tintin, XL A M and Jaguars dot Com and
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the Jags. Social media channels Twitter, which Logs is using
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: right now. Facebook, he might be using that more and YouTube?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Do you think I use Facebook more? Yeah, you're you're
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: of that um you know um experience of life, Yes,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: experience of life. What are you trying to say? You
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: have that age? That's all. That's what I'm saying. That's
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: all I'm saying. That's it. Is there an age classification?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: So yes? So Twitter is for a certain age, Instagram's
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: for an age Facebook Facebook is a different age. I
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: think there's a statistic are you? Are you the metrics guy?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know what those metrics are, but
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing that. Okay, So give me give me your idea,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: give me your idea of the age categories of these
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: three different social media platforms. So I would say, like Snapchat,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: which I don't have anything to do with, is super
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: young like teenagers to you know, college kind of right.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Twitter is probably like college too, you know my age
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and how old? Is that old enough? And then and
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I think the Facebook is like forty two infinity. What
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: about Instagram? It depends on if you like taking photos
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: or not. I think that's probably younger, trends younger, that's
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: my guests. I don't know his view of the world.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: What do you think? So so what would Joe be since, uh,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: you know, Facebook goes to my age? Hey, Joe is
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: a little older than me. He's he still uses pony
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Express popular mechanics, right exactly. It comes in the mail,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: a JP, you know what you're getting old now? Okay,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: so you're starting a transition into this Facebook. I'm not
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: getting old category. I'm just old. Let you know your
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Facebook age. That's what it is. Man. Life happens. Reality,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: life happens. Reality hits your the face sometimes. So the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: question there for Doug Peterson was what does this offense
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: need to look like at the end of O t
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: A s like, what is the end? What do you
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: want it? When? Will you be kind of happy? And
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that was his answer there. And I think that there's
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: a there's a there's a lot of ways to measure
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: success with an offense, but it's hard to measure success
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: when you're when you're not really having a true measuring
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: stick to the measuring you know what I mean. And
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: that's why sometimes the off season can always be a
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: little you can mislead you sometimes for for lack of
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: a better way of describing it. But the one thing
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: that you want to see with the offense is that
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the components that you have to start gaining a strong
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: understanding of the offense to where and what I mean
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: by that is that people are more functional when they're
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: confident and in the know of what they're supposed to do.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Athletes can perform better when they're not thinking about what
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: they're supposed to do. They're just performing, they're just reacting,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: they're just being athletic. Quarterbacks can perform better when things
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: become second nature. So all of the components of the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: offense work better with great experience and great repetition. And
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that's what you're trying to gain in the off season. Now,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: at the end of an all season, are you gonna
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: be able to fix up great and say, okay, you
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: know we're you know if you if you're Doug Peterson ball,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: you know, we're hoping we will get to level ten
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: at the end the conclusion of the all season. But well,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: we got to like level eight and a half. Is
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: there a way to measure that? I think that's an
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: interesting question, But I don't think there's a way to
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: truly measure it because you haven't and the coaches haven't
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: seen these people perform, So what's the expectation? So I
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: think in a lot of ways, their vention venturing into
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the great unknown, and that they're not sure what a
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: lot of these players can do because they haven't seen
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: him in person. They've watched film, but some of them
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: are very young and haven't been put in great positions
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: to have success yet. So I think that that's a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: that's a it's a very open ended question that has
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of different ways to answer it. Yeah, you
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: got to see what a player's capabilities are before you
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: can really craft a scheme or something around him. And
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: here's a here's a perfect example. Okay, Travis c t
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: n Yes, Okay, you want you want to get him involved? Right,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: He's the first round draft pick last year who was
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: unable to play because he ended up having a Liz
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: frank was essentially it's kind of a midfoot sprain. He
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: had surgery, surgery to fix it. Now he's back, he's
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: been cleared to do everything. Okay, but what is your
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: expectation for him? Well, he's a high first round pick,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: so your expectation is is that he's going to be
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: a significant contributor to offense. But the reality is that
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen him yet play and at the pro level. Okay,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So where where do you expect him to be when
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen him perform yet? Hm? And I think
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: that that's part of what you need to find out
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: this year. Okay. You you would love to have this
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: great role for Travis Etian. For example, last year with
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: urban Meyer and the offensive staff they had they had
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: this vision for Travis E t N of being this
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: X factor that he's not just a running back that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you hand the ball off to. He's he's doing routes.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: So you got Jay Robbin the backfield and you have
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Travis E. T N split out why So essentially kind
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: of like a tight end where you get a mismatch
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: where E t N can get him that you can
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: get him in space and get him against the linebacker
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: who can't cover a guy who runs four four? Well,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: is that the same vision that that Press Taylor and
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Doug Peterson and Mike McCoy and and Jim Bob Cooder.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Is that the same vision that they have for Travis E.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: T N and this offense. I don't know, and you
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: can't tell from watching one practice so far. This is
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: something I think that's going to involve. But I think
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: it's an interesting question. Where do they see him at
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and where is the expectation for him to perform at.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Because he's a first round pick, we all kind of
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: have these high expectations, but the reality is is that
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: we haven't seen him perform yet. So can we can
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: we have a reasonable expectation for him? I mean if
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I think we all have a certain level, but where
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: is that level and what's and what's reason able? I
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: don't know. You know, it seems like at least the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: one day we saw him, there was no issues with
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: the foot. Yeah look good, yeah, look, I mean look
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: he looked like he was moving. Okay, did he look
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: like put it this way? Did we look at him
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: and go, boy, that guy is really special. Did you
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: get that impression? I mean, you know he's he's got something. No,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: no, no no, no, JP, did your eyes when you watched him.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, considering what they're doing out there exactly exactly,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not trying to say that that's
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: a negative. I'm just trying to say that at this point,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: what with what they're doing and with I guess you
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: could say how much he is opening it up, you're
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: not You're not seeing where you go, Wow, he's not
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: like shaking five guys and running eight yards. You're not
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: gonna see that until real games happened. So but I mean,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: at some point you're gonna want to see that when
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: it's live. But I think it's a It's interesting because
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you know there's so many different components offense that you
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: sit there and you go okay, then you have a
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: vision or you have this thing imprinted in your mind
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: about how guys can contribute. Evan Ingram, okay, we're number
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: seventeen when you When I first saw it, I was like,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: who's that guy wearing seventeen? Got big seventeen, I mean,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and so I looked at the back of the jersey
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and I saw Ingram Ingram, Who's Ingram? Oh yeah? And
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, he got a haircut. So Evan Ingram
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: got a haircut got me fulled. Okay, look and and
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: he's not a real big guy. And fact, if he was,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: if he was over working out with the wide receivers,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: and if he stood next to Lavisco Chanalt, you go, dude,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: check out the size of those two wide receivers. But
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: when you see him over in the tight end group,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you go, is he with the right group? I mean,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: because he's not a real big guy, but I think
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be very good for a quarterback. Dan Arnold
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: looks good. Dan Arnold looked really good, I thought. So
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: here's another thing we mentioned earlier. Defensive line. It's hard
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: to tell, you know that moving guys around. That's certainly
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the case on the offensive line too. We haven't touched
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: on these guys yet. Um, but there's a couple of
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: things that you you see Brandon Sheriff for the first
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: time in person, impressive. Yeah, well, look, these guys are impressive.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I think Walker Little's trimmed some weight down a little bit.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Looks like well, and what we what we saw on Monday,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: because Cam Robinson wasn't there for whatever reason, Uh doesn't matter,
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  Speaker 1: but so you know, we the expected competition at right
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  Speaker 1: tackle with Walker Little and Juan Taylor Walker Little was
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: playing left because Cam Robinson was not there at practice,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: and uh, Tyler Shatley ran with the ones at center.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: You know, your draft pick Fortner from Kentucky. You know,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: watched him practice, you know, got an up close personal
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: look at him. And then oh, by the way, I'll
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: get to the game film that I watched in a minute. Yeah,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: but in practice, there was a lot of guys that
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: are lined up in position that they're probably not going
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to be lined up at once you start doing stuff
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  Speaker 1: for real. So uh, but I will tell you if
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Joan Taylor better have a a little bit of a
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: different mentality this year, because this competition for right tackle
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: is not drummed up. This is real and he is
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: going to be fighting for a job. When I say
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: a job, starting job, okay, not necessarily a roster spot.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to get you
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: confused again, Jim, and I think that that's gonna be
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: interesting to watch. Tyler Shatley, I think is going to
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: be the starting center until he's not. And at what
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: point will that be. I don't know. I thought earlier
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that it might take some time. But Fortner is a
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: very smart player watched the film on him this week?
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: What'd you watch? What you watch for? If you're gonna watch,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: If you are gonna watch one Kentucky game and you
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: wanted to see Fortner go against the best of the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: best in the SEC, which game would you want? Well,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: considering this, Kentucky is in the SEC East, which means
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: every year they have to play the Georgia Bulldogs. Georgia
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: had the best defense, So I would want to watch
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: the game. That's the one. And I went and watched
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  Speaker 1: that game because that's the best defensive line. Mean, you're
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you're you're essentially watching Kentucky play against an NFL future
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: NFL caliber defensive line. Okay, three of those guys got
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: drafted extremely high in the first all of them round
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: pick five, first round picks. Five on the defense, three
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: on the defensive line. Right, and here's the crazy thing. Okay,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: here's really what's crazy. JP the best one that they
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: got up front in Athens. It's still in Athens, were night.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. How did heat fair like against the I
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: thought he did really well there. Now, there was a
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: couple instances where Jalen Carter okay threw him a little
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: bit happens, it does happen. But the overall performance that
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: he had in that game, I thought put it this way.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: After I watched that game, it changed my thinking about
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: when he could become the starter after watching that. He's strong,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: he's aware, he's smart, He's got very good balance, rarely,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: if ever on the ground. He uh plays the game,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I think with great adaptability. So in other words, when
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and Basselli was one of the best guys at this
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: and because Tony always understood what the player that he
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: was going against was or was not. For example, if
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: he was going against a guy that had great power, okay,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: he's not gonna try to finesse the guy. He knew
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: that the guy was gonna play with power. It's it's
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: understanding your opponent. When you watch Fortner played the game,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: especially against Georgia, you could tell that he understood the assignment.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: He understood the players that he was assigned to block,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: so he knew how to approach them. And I thought
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: he did a very good job. And it wasn't perfect
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: because Georgia's got some really good players up there, but
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I thought it was an excellent performance. And here's the thing.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I think that was a little bit surprising in that
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: game because you're watching Georgia and Kentucky play, here's a
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: great opportunity at watching Trayvon Walker. He's on that team.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: He had a quiet game in that game. I mean,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: he was okay, but it wasn't one of those games
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: where you go, wow, you know that guy, he was
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: really good. It was just kind of an okay game.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: But I will I will say Fortner had a had
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: an excellent game and it made me and I liked
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: the size of him when he blocked for the Georgia Bulldogs,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: which is a player that sometimes which by the way,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: he was the what overall pick for the Philadelphia Eagles
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: and what's his name? Ninety nine? It was which went
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to Green Bay and then he had ninety nine Jordan
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: and Okay and then who went to Green Bay late
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: in the first round when everybody was thinking they would
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: take a wide receiver because they want to do appease
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, but they didn't. They took number ninety five
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: from the Georgia Bulldogs. The other defensive tackle, DeVante Wyatt
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Okay Partner did a very good job on both of them.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: But man, when Jordan Davis wants to play. Sometimes in
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: games he can tear everybody up. But he didn't. He
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: did not against fort and Fortner handling. That's good news,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: very good because he's gonna be playing. I like that
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: every week. Um, we'll come back in a moment. Well,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I look around the National Football League. Also here from
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Jaguars GM Trent Baulky with John Osier. Earlier today on
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: the Ozone podcast, there's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Digital Network. As evaluators, we can't get caught up in
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: in the xs and ohs. You know, we're caught up
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: in the Jimmy's and Joe's. If you will, it's nothing.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: You say a lot, You bring a player in and
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: it's up to the coach to using right. You know,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: one phrase I you know, I take from coach Parcels
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: all the time, as you can't coach the team when
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you're a GM or you're an evaluator. It's not your job,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: it's not your role. Let's let the coaches coach and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: find players that fit what they want to do from
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a schematic standpoint, you know, and and trust that once
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: you've given them a player that can do certain things,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: they're gonna ask that that player does those things and
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: keep them away from things that he maybe doesn't do well.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: And that's I mean again, it's just the collaborator effort
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: that you go through to make sure you're getting the
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: right players that fit your your your organization from a
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: cultural standpoint and a physical standpoint. That is general manager
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Trent Bulky on the ozone podcast earlier today, Available now
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot com. Click the podcast link at the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: top of the page slugs or subscribe on the official
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Jaguars podcast network on iHeart Radio, iTunes, Spotify, or wherever
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you download your pods and leave us some comments and
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: a five star rating while you're at it. Why not
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: did that fox start be good? An interesting comment there
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: by Trent Balking And one thing that I would I
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: would uh because he talked about how when you when
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: you give a coach a player, if you want to
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: make sure that he's doing the things that he does best,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: which is true. But the one thing that I would
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: add to that and that sometimes what happens in the
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: process of working with a new player, there's a discovery
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: part of it. When I say there's a discovery part
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: of it, you may learn something about the player that
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: you didn't know from working firsthand with him. You may
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: discover that he also has a skill set that might
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: be good at doing some other things that might be
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: doing might be doing things on top of what you
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: evaluate and say, hey, look he really does X. Well.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Look he also might do X and Y and then
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: F really well. So you could expand or even you
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: would understand that maybe you thought he does X very
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: well and what you envisioned him doing for you, well,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: then you get him and you say, well he can
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: do X, but he does why better. I Mean, sometimes
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: there's things that you don't know about a prospect that
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: you learn while working with him, and so I would
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: add that to Trent Balking. That's part of what the
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: coaching staff role is because and when he says it
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: has to be a what did he say? The term
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: collaborate of effort very true because it's not just about Okay,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: here's the player and he has to do this. The
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: coaches also have to be able to look at the
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: player and say, look, we really like what he does
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: and what you kind of envisioned, but we also like him.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: In this role, it's up to the coaches to end
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: up making that decision. Let's take our weekly look. If
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: you're watching on Jaguars dot Com or jack social media
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: outside of t I a a bank field at the
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Football Performance Center construction process. There's some walls going up,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: they're moving some more dirt around. They're digging a couple
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: of big holes in the ground for apparently pools in
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the one part of the center and uh, we're on track. Man.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: There we go um training camp, they'll be ready to roll.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: That's ah, that's a lot of work, a lot of work.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And I can tell you this, they're working incredibly hard JP.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're I mean they work from
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: early in the morning until well into the evening weekends.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: There they've been going and there's a lot of people
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: putting a lot of hours in to make that happen.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: It's looking good. Looking forward to the final product as well,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: and not this coming training camp, but the training camp
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: after and renderings are are really neat. It's gonna be
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: one of the best in the league. And there's uh,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: there's some great ones in the league. I remember years
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: ago when when I went to the Atlanta Falcons facility
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and the Atlanta Falcons would I mean they were on
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the cutting edge. They had this new expanse of facility
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: that when you looked out, it looked out on the
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: giant expanse of fields, and then you had all of
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: these apartments wrapped around the field down at the bottom,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Like what the world is all that? Well, that's where
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: they all stayed for training camp. They had housing for
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: players for staff, and I was like, wow, that's different.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: And then we had the opportunity not long ago to
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: see what the Minnesota Vikings did. Wow, that's impressive. This
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: will be the arms race has entered the NFL. That's right,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: and the Jags are in it now, which is a
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: good thing. Let's go around the NFL quickly. Some big
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: nuggets from around the league from the Associated Press. The
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: NFL said Wednesday it will appeal a ruling denying a
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: request to move John Gruden's lawsuit against the league from
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: a public courtroom into a closed door arbitration, so it
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: stays in the public court. Gruden's lawsuit accused of the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: NFL of leaking his emails to force him to resign
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: last October, So there you go. Yeah, the league is
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: not happy about that decision. I can I can assure
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: you of that, they were hoping that it would be
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: moved behind closed doors. Colin Kaepernick got to work out
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: with the Las Vegas Raiders yesterday. Nowhere yet on out
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: when he hasn't played in the NFL and over five years.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: He had a free agent visit with the Seahawks and
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: may have seventeen through in front of some NFL scouts
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: at halftime of the Michigan spring game this past April.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Of course, Jim Harbaugh is there last played with the Yeah,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be an interesting situation to watch. Could uh
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: could a team? I mean, if I were to pick
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the perfect place for Kaepernick with his skill set, because
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: he's I view him as a running quarterback. I mean,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: wouldn't a great fit be Baltimore behind Lamar Jackson? I mean,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: wouldn't the scheme fit him perfectly if he were to
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: have If he can still run like I mean, if
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: if he could do the same things that he once did,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Can he still run like that? I don't know, I
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: don't know. Five years out, it's a long time. Some
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: leagal rule changes. Players designated for return from the reserve
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: injured list are now four games not three to come
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: back on the on the regular roster. It was the
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: number of changed to you. You're allowed I think eight
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: eight eight players that you can bring back from men
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: who to reserve. Practice squads are now sixteen players up
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: from fourteen. You can elevate individual players from the squad
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: to the game day roster a maximum of three times
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: per season now rather than two. Yeah, and and and
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: then that's smart. You should be able to do that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got them on practice squad, why
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: would you not have the ability to utilize them for
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: for competitions. I mean, it just makes no sense. And
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: here's the other reality. The league. The original design of
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the expanded practice squads was was a reaction to COVID. COVID. Okay,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: well now that I want to say, they are beyond COVID,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: but they're still dealing with some of the the implication
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: ramifications of COVID. It's still there. But here's the reality.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: There's two other leagues under spring. The league wants to
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: make sure that they keep more roster spots open for players.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I'll do it for our program today. Brent Reabert, Joe Fortunado,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: that's Jeff Lagerman. I'm j P. Shadrick enjoy your Memorial
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Day weekend. We'll see you next time as Jaguars Happy
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network.