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DA CREW PODCAST SEASON 1_ BONUS EPISODE _HOST LATONYA MICHELLE LITTLEJOHN · DA CREW Podcast

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Friday of each Monthy this is she that you don't want to miss. Everybody,
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Good evening, good evening, good evening, and welcome to another episode
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of delay but not denied The podcast in conjunction with the Crew podcast. This
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is a bonus episode tonight and tonight, I would like to bringing the gaps
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between people, you know, with transgender and heterosexual people. I would like
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to bring us all together and bridge the gap. What is transgender? Transgender
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by definition, is a person whose gender identity differs from the sex that was
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assigned to them at birth, maybe abbreviated to trans. A transgender man is
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someone with a male gender identity and a female birth assigned sex. A transgender
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woman is someone with a female gender identity and a male birth assigned sex.
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So let's get into it. The topic may be a little heavy, but
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I ask in respect for my friend and my guests, please be respectful.
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If you can't be, please just go ahead and log out now because we
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don't need that negativity. So, without further ado, Gabel, are you
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there? What's so? What's so? What's going on with you? I'm
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good, I'm good. I can't complain. So before we dive into it,
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can I get you to introduce yourself. My name is Shinnon Gabel and
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I'm trained mail, thirty five years old and I'm in two years in transition.
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Okay, so when did you know that you were not in what we
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would say, the right body. Honestly, I told my mom when I
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was eleven and I was a little boy, and honestly, my family just
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laughed and was like, I was confused that I just like girls. Let's
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see, maybe that is it. But I knew that I knew that it
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wouldn't meet right. Yeah, because the first time I actually met you,
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and you probably don't even remember, but you worked in the mall, at
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the barbershop in Westgate Mall. We had been Facebook friends for a while,
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but that was the first time I actually got to meet you face to face.
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And yeah, I bumped into you. You were coming out and I
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was like walking through and I spoke to you or whatever. But I just
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want to bridge the gap between the heterosexual people and the trans community, because
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at the end of the day, we all have feelings where all, you
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know, we all have a heart. We all you know, we're all
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going through this light together, us trans, US, lbgt Q. We
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are still people. We are still the same person before we came out,
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after we came We're still the same person. Right, So, has anyone
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ever asked you as far as you trans transsitioning into a male if you were
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a lesbian, why not just be a lesbian and go on with life.
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Has anybody ever asked you why you felt the need to at first? When
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when I when I mentioned to my family that I was about the transition,
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it was like, why you've been gay this whole time? And I was
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like, but that's the point I've been telling y'all I'm not gay. And
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it's like and they're literally looking at me. I apologize about my language,
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but literally they're literally looking at me like, nigga, you gay, you
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will feel males they're like females. And I'm like, no, I'm not
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do I'm not I'm a nigga. And they just look at me like okay.
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But as soon as they told me, I was like, you might
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as well. You like, women just stayed the same. We love you
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just how you are. I'm like, I'm not happy because when I look
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in the mirror, I want to see what I feel I should look like.
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Right, So yeah, So how is the transitioning going for you?
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You said it's been two years. It's been two years, and honestly,
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I love it. Man. I'm like a teenage boy. My wife constantly
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say that she got two teenage boys. And now I'm hyper hungry. I'm
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horny all day everywhere. I love. I love what I'm seeing because my
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faces became more masculine. My boys, my my chest, and I love
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my chest. And I haven't even had a top surgery yet, but I
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look everything is that's coming to it. And don't get me wrong, it
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do have its ups and downs. It's just the ups outweigh the downs,
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just like anything else. What would you consider to be the downside of it?
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Dysphoria? Dysphoria is a fucker like dystoria is when you feel like when
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you feel bad about yourself, like you're downing yourself. And and honestly,
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I'll be around a lot of six men, boring males, and I would
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look at myself and be like, maybe they could tell the difference, or
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maybe they could tell I was born female, you know, And it gets
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me in a in a funky moved right, Yeah, dysphoriors of mood surgeries
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are moved. But I haven't been through that yet, So we'll talk later
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when I get you did okay? Do you have that? Is that planned?
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Like in the nears? I am ready for it. I'm waiting to
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be approved by my doctor because I'm gonna name it. Okay, I am
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a blood blood transfusion before meeting and seeing is dangerous, so I had to
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get sea it's bass blood one time, so in your body only take not
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So it was like it was like, we don't know about that. But
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I'm waiting to get approved for it because honestly, I don't have much to
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take off. I'm like gonna when I take my shirt off, it looks
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like I was a bat boy that got small, right. I failure as
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far as like the surgery goes, other than taking away the brist what else
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is there to do as far as transitioning into a mail By the way,
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we take shots every day, if not every day, but every week of
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the rest, well, I take shots every week for the rest of my
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life. Okay. The bottom surgery. Being my wife, we already talked
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personally about the bottom surgery. Okay, I'm not into it because I feel
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like, if the what's the word I'm looking for, if the invention is
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not fully right, why would I Why would I? Just right, I
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ain't gonna have bottom surgery, but knit everything's need So being that you transitioned.
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How has the community around you? How? How do they treat you
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like family and friends? How were they beforehand? And and and now?
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Honestly, on the females, females, they might talk general, but then
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they still love you. They still come around. Right. It's different because
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even my clients, like they'll talk to me all you know, nice,
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being gentle and oh, you know, talk to me like I'm one of
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their homeboys. As soon as they find out that I was born female,
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It's a whole different weird vibe. And I'm like, dude, we're just
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chilling. What's wrong? And then like I don't know, it's like I
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got a diseases one. But with my with my brothers, like a couple
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of my brothers stopped talking to me because they feel like it's unnatural, shaky.
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I don't know. I guess because I'm fronting, you know, but
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my I guess they feel it's because it's unnatural and they just feel awkward around.
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So but I got a couple of brothers that love me no matter what,
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and they come around, talk to me, call me brother. On
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one of my brothers came in, introduced me to his wife and he was
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like telling your name and I was like peg and he was like no,
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no, no, no, no your name and I was like Gabriel.
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He was like that's it. And I was like, that's what's up man.
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That made me feel good. Yeah, you feel good? So are
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you? Are you planning to legally change your name? Yes, I'm working
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on that now. I'm changing it because I feel Shannon Shkaya it's somebody.
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Of course. I'm a proud Trains male. I'm proud, all right.
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I proudly accepted I was born female, right because I learned a lot of
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things from being a female. I learned how to be nursing, loving.
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I know how to tend to my wife. I know how to tend to
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my daughter. I know how to make sure my son is getting all the
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love that he needs. Even as a male, I know how to make
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sure he's getting loved too. Right. Yeah, yeah, I just I
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my bad. You could so like this was important for me because I have
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a heart for the people like I love everybody, and some of my closest
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people, like cousins and friends, they're they're gay or you know, transgender.
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I had a cousin that, for the majority of his life lived his
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life as a female and looking at him you would never know, like never
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know. I mean that was talking about there was no way. Yeah,
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I mean come out or did you just knew? So we knew. I'm
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gonna say her father stopped like dealing with her because she liked to dress like
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a female. You know, she she felt as she was a female on
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the inside. And the one thing that I will say that I hate is
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after she passed away, they buried her in men attire. Oh man,
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see that that's that was so disrespectful man. And I feel like it was
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a flap in the face too. She was because that's not how she lived
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home. Were so right, that was disrespectful her. One of them.
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Don't put me on a no girl and don't put me on nothing female.
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Right. One of the viewers watching acts if you were happy? Yes,
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yes, man. When I tell you, I'm the happiest I've ever been.
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And like I said, I'm thirty five. I don't I don't have
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a lot of experiences my whole life. I don't been around around the United
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States. I'm most type of the world, but around the United States.
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But yeah, I'm I'm very happy. Man. When I tell you I'm
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a happy husband with my kids. I naturally stable, mentally stable health.
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We're good. One of the baddest barbers ever. I appreciate it. And
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man, I look, I love my people. I look, man,
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I love my class too, So yeah, I can't complain. I'm I'm
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good. I'm just trying to get that black success to where I don't have
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to cut every day right? Right? Have you ever thought about like writing
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a book to share your story, you know, because there are people that
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are trying to figure out how they want to go about the transition like that.
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I mean, okay, I thought about that. I do have.
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I have a lot of clients that come in and they asked me how do
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I come out? And I tell them, if you feel like it's really
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for you, forget what everybody said, because if they're there for you,
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they're gonna be dere for you regardless. Why would why would it matter if
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they're not right? So I'll tell them come out. I actually thought about
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it before. Well, if you ever decide you want to write a book,
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please hit me up. I can put you own to somebody that will
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get you. I appreciate it. Writing a book is not hard. I
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wrote my first book when I found my biological family and I wrote it after
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my biological mother passed away. I will say, not everybody agreed with my
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book, and that's okay because it's my story, your story, So you
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know, just putting that out there. Whenever you decide to do it.
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You have a book, now, I you know what I mean, of
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course authors, but I never was able to get a hold of your book.
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So we're gonna get up on that because I'm we're trying to read.
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Yeah, and I'll take some points from you from your book. I got
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you and so you know this was important to me because again I care about
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people. I care about you, and you know your feelings mattered to me,
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like I don't. I don't like how people can smile in your face
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and then like be behind your back. Because I noticed when you changed your
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name on Facebook, and I don't say a lot, but I watched and
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so I've watched you transition from Shannon to Gabe, and I've watched how some
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people haven't decided to receive you in the way that you want to be received.
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I've seen the comments on pictures and I've seen people still say she her
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that part make that part, and I feel like, of course, some
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people say, hey, I don't be meaning to call you she, and
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I tell them, okay, it's okay, because at some point in the
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beginning when they say she, I create them hey is he right? See?
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But then when they start constantly doing it, I'll start calling them,
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hey, hey, what come in right? I'm not what And that's what
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I'm trying to tell you right right in the way they start getting it,
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even if I have to insult them a little bit because they've been insulting me,
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They'll end up getting it eventually, right, Because I mean, to
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me, it's like a slap in the face if if a person can't accept
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you for who you are, like, it doesn't change who you are.
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It doesn't make you any less of a friend, family member, sister,
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brother, cousin. You know, my physical just changed a little. Honestly,
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I looked like I could be shining his twin brother. Absolutely, that's
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it. Absolutely absolutely. How has all of this affected your wife? Man?
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So at first of all I told my wife. My wife was like,
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She's like, I don't think I want you going through that. She's
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like, because I love you how you are now? Right? And mind
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you my wife hetero. She's never been with LBGT anything. So when I
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first told her, she was like, I like you, how you are
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now? Right? And I was like, but I'm not happy with this
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body? Right. It was like, well, baby, you know what,
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I'm kind of nervous. And I was like why, and she said
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because she felt it was a most trans men that have a partner when they
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start transitioning, when once they start transitioning on that in the line, they
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don't end up with the same partner, right, right, So that's what
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she was nervous about. Right, And so I was like, girl,
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we've been together food at the time, it was c she is. I
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was like, I ain't nothing gonna change. She was like, all right,
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then, well let's joke. So once I did start taking my shots,
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she loved it. She love it being that. I do believe that
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you're one of the baddest barbers. Have you lost any clients? Have you
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lost any clientele because of your transition? Hell? I lost I lost a
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couple of females because they refused to say I'm a man. They they refused
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to call me he So, yeah, I lost a couple of but I
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also lost a couple of males because the people are weird these days, man,
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right, the males, they will do weird shit like hey, can
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I see it before a picture of you? Why? Why? Yeah?
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Or I had one coming to me constantly asking me questions about trains, so
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it had kind of threw me off, and I was like, dude,
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why are you almost asking me questions about trains? Like I understand if you're
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trying to be if you if you know the questions he would ask was like
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weird and uncomfortable questions, right, So then I blocked him. I blocked
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him so he couldn't book me no more. He ended up coming under somebody
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else's name. Wow, And I'm telling him, dude, no, I'm
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not. I'm not not to cut your hair. Dude, I don't feel
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comfortable with you, so no, and he's still like, come on,
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man, just cut my hair. No you you, I don't feel right
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with you. I said, I'm not. Everybody's barther. It is what
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it is. So then after he left, his brother ended up started coming,
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so I had to end up blocking his brother. Wow. Yeah.
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People are weird like the same way people treat in in my opinion, the
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same way people treat transgender people are the same way that they treat people with
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disabilities, Like they look at you strange because I was born with a birth
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defect. I have spina bifida, and I walk a little different, you
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know, And so that's like one of the first things that people notice about
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me and im And people noticed that. Yeah, people noticed that that when
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I'm talking and stuff, how and I'm dyslexic, so I say things weird
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and different, and yeah, that's what's it. But the thing about that,
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though gay, the people that love you, they don't care. I
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appreciate it, they don't care. I mean, that doesn't change who you
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are as a person. It doesn't change your heart. So you know,
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for those that they don't need it, you know, it's their loss.
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They're losing out on a fantastic friend. They're losing out on a beautiful family
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member. Also a bomb ass barber, so right right, you know,
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I just I want to see you be able to prosper in all that you
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put your hands in in a way that's comfortable for you and your family.
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I know you have children, and you know, protecting them and keeping them
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out of what I like to call grown folk is Another thing is people aggravate
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me with the whole kids. Then just because I'm training Mail, don't mean
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my son is gonna be gay, or because my or my daughter just because
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i'm transmil, don't mean my daughter's gonna not know who what a father is.
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Mad. I've been to my daughter's life since she was three three months.
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I'm the only male she know as father, right, and my daughter
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coming coming house, Papa, snack please? And and mind you she's none
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verbal, so so yes, and she's eight. So I tell them just
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because I'm training mail, don't mean my kids don't know what you know,
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don't mean my kids gonna be gayer. And because my son, he's very,
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very hetero, and he'll tell me sometimes I love women. I know.
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I know he just like me when I was younger. Oh my gosh,
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that's me all day. I want to ask you, what advice would
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you give to somebody, Let's say a young female that is preteen adolescent,
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that feels uncomfortable in their body and wants to try to have that conversation with
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their parents. What advice would you give them? Honestly, I would tell
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them it's okay to feel different. It is, but with you being a
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team and me also being a parent. Now I'm gonna kind of try to
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give you to write advice. Right, dress comfortable with don't of course,
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you ain't got to dress like a girl, but just wear some comfortable clothes
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until you're actually able to get up in get shots on your own. And
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that's at eighteen, so you an't got such a short time. It's maybe
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three years. You'll be able to get your shots and live your life how
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you want to. Honestly, they'll accept you either way. They'll accept you
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or they don't. If they don't, it's they're lost because you're beautiful.
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So and I know, you know, we don't often have people to tell
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us, you know, things like that to encourage us. But as your
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friend, I would like to encourage you to keep going, don't look back,
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keep your head up anytime. I mean, I I was born a
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female, I'm still a female, but I respect Yeah, I love it.
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And I mean, if you ever need me for anything, or you
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need to talk, even if it's just for somebody to talk to, and
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I just listened because you know, I may not always have the right things
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to say or whatever, but I'm here, and you know I want to
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offer that to you because you know that's black people. We don't have genuine
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people anymore, right, right, and that that sucks. They're really man,
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yes, and you know, look out for each other no more.
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And and it shouldn't even be that way because we are the people, right
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and we all we got basically, yeah, we are. We most hate
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it right, right, I say all the time, they love our rhythm,
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but they hate our blues. But I like that. I like that.
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I've never heard that and I liked that. Yeah, like that.
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But I'm not gonna hold you because I know that. You know, y'all
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get together and get the babies fed and put the bed and stuff to night
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is hairy pot of night. So we're about to put that on, uh
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the goblet of fire. So yeah, if somebody wants to reach out to
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you to talk to you about maybe their journey into uh trends, how can
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they reach you? If even if it's for a nice lineup, how can
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you be reached? You can either hit me up on a Facebook my name
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is Shannon Gabriel, a crazy or you can go ahead and personally message my
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my phone eight six four four zero six six six one three. That's my
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business number, and I answered it all the time takes back. You can
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you can hit me up and just want to talk. Ay, call me
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and we don't talk. We don't talk about something. I well, I
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do want to bring you back after you get your surgery done, and I
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wanna be able to keep up with what you got going on. So and
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I want to help you get this book real incause it needs to be written.
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I'm gonna be talking to you. Hey, I'm beginning on your nervous
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You'm like, oh man, this is really like yeah, I'm telling you
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I'm down with it. Yeah. Yeah, this is love. This is
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love, and I really I really appreciate this. This, I mean,
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God gave me a platform to be able to allow people to walk in their
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purpose, to speak their peace, and to do it all without judgment,
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because at the end of the day, the only person's judgment that matters is
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that of God. I mean true, you know, He's the one that
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gives us life. So and a lot of people like to tell me,
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oh, oh, your abomination and stuff like that, but I tell him,
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don't God know my journey before I know my journey? He does,
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Okay, there will go absolutely he knows you're every thought before you think it,
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so you know is that you know? So I would say, you
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know, the the naysayers and people that are negative, just give them,
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you know, tell them to get out of your space. I say,
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they don't bother beyond just black eye. You're good. Yeah. So,
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I mean, but it's been fun talking to you to night and again,
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like I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep in touch because we gotta get
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this book read. I'm ready because some people, I do feel like you
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know your story even being you know you said you were in foster care.
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You know, people need to hear those things again. And I'll share it
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with you my story and stuff too. So yeah, I can say I
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actually I'm an open book. I'll talk about everything and anything. And if
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my journey, if my past is to help anybody, hey, I'm saying,
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let's get it because everybody, everybody needs somebody to help them to the
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next step. And if I would have had somebody to push me and tell
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me, okay, well you know what he got got in this way,
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that would have been it would have made my life a lot easier. Right.
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But I mean, you know, God made you the way that he
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made you for a purpose such as this. I mean exactly. You know,
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nobody else can walk in your shoes. So you know, you like,
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we're officially making you a voice of the people now, like the president
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of the trains community, because you know that they're loved. True. Somebody
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asked me, own, why did I choose the name Gabriel? Gabriel was
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known as the archangel right he also he was known as the Messenger Angel feel
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me? So I love that name. And when sans sa means the wise
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or a leader. So that's why I put together and I was like,
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you know what, that's me. Yeah, I can't wait to help you
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get this book written because I mean, it's it's so simple to to to
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do it. You just make the time to do it. I'll make the
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turn. It's just I honestly didn't think it was gonna be simple. Yeah,
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it's it's I mean, I taught my best friend into writing a book,
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and now she's so far ahead of me writing books and so so that's
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what I'm talking about. You know, she she has her own editing company
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that she edits anything that you would need, she would walk you through.
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So you know, I can put you in touch with her. There's just
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so many people that you be able to benefit from to help get started.
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I appreciate it because, like I said, I'm ready. I'm down with
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you. Man. We're gonna get up because I'm down with it. Okay,
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I'm gonna be hearing from me. I'm gonna be hearing from me,
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man. So it's been real talking to you tonight. I appreciate you sharing
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your story, being open because I know it's not always easy because you don't
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know who's there to judge you, and you know who got some slick stuff
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to say, and you know, so you know. I wanted to give
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you the floor so you can share your story and say what you needed to
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say. I appreciate it because honestly, I enjoyed this. So yes,
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you will be seeing me again. I enjoyed this. This is this is
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cool cool cool. Well, like I always say before I end the show,
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you may be delayed in life, but what God has for you when
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ever be denied unto you. So until next time, We'll see you later.
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A Junior Day every second Monday and fourth Friday of each Monday. This
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is a show that you don't want to miss.