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History of Aliens? Pray you find out (part 1 of 2) · Journey to the Fringe

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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
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us on a Journey to the Fringe. Hello and welcome
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to Journey to the Fringe, which sometimes is
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a royalty podcast, but not today. No, today we're
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doing something else. We are your podcast hosts,
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Taylor and Chelsea, here today talking about
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aliens. Oh, you have my attention. It's actually
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been a while we've been on a Bigfoot binge. Yes.
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Not that long ago, I think. It actually might
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be over a year now. We did the greys episode.
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Well, I think that was more than a year ago.
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Yeah, probably. Giving you a background of grey
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aliens and their history. More so, like, reporting
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on them getting into the zeitgeist. And I always
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thought that this would eventually be. We're
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gonna look at other alien entities. And look,
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we actually got there. Chelsea, today we're going
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to be talking about the mantids or the mantis
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balls. Oh, I'm excited. This has been on our
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list for a long time. I think even before the
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greys were on there. Yeah. My initial intent
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is when I started doing the greys episode, the
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next one would be reptilians. But somehow this
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one ended up being the one I actually looked
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into first. And there is a lot going on with
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this entity. Really? I do know some stuff about
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them. I hear about them here and there, but they're
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not the number one. guys that well the number
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one guys you hear about are the grays you don't
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hear that much about them like i know they're
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out there i've heard this and that about them
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yeah so i'm interested to see There's a lot more
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going on than you'd expect with this one. Okay,
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I'm excited to learn some stuff Yeah, and actually
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it was because of a reddit binge that I got down
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this path Which I'll get to when we get to that
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part of the episode But without further ado,
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let's give you a little bit of a just an overview
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of what we're talking about and sorry I have
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one rant that just upsets me about not this species
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the mantis aliens but more so just praying mantises
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in general that i don't think they need the adjective
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praying in front of mantis i don't know of any
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other mantises where i'd say like which one and
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you're like you know the praying one right right
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that mantis and you would also know what exactly
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you're talking about just with mantis yeah And
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like, they all look like they're praying, I think.
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Is that why it's called that? That one doesn't
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even help. It's kind of like Groundhog. Witchhog?
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The one on the ground. Oh, that one also is on
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the ground, the normal hog. No, but you couldn't
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just call a ground hog a hog and know what you
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were talking about, though. But with Mantis,
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you can. It's one of those useless adjectives
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that you don't need there. Just Mantis would
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be fine, but I'm not in charge of naming stuff
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or the world would be far different. But I'm
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sure the person who named him praying Mantis
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would be so pissed at you right now. Oh, right
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now, yes. There is spinning in graves and places
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right now. He's cursing you. Mantis aliens, sometimes
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called praying mantis aliens, are tall insect
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-like extraterrestrials with triangular heads
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and insect -like eyes. They are often described
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as being peaceful and kind, though some people
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have reported negative interactions. People all
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over the globe have reported seeing mantis aliens.
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They don't move around that much. The nice thing
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about a praying mantis, which I should just call
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mantis throughout here, is that you kind of know
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where they stand because they don't move that
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much. Really? I don't think so. I don't think
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so. But I don't think they... Sorry, I haven't
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seen that many in person. I just don't think
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they move all that much, that fast. Sorry, I
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forgot to listen. They look exactly like the
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little bugs, right? Yeah, more or less. Interesting.
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Does that come up? Mantises are tall and slender
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with jointed limbs, triangle -shaped heads, large
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insect -like eyes, which I think Harry said,
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and some people have reported feeling calming
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from their presence and many people believe that
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they hold positions of power over other types
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of aliens, including the greys, which for the
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most part dominate the zeitgeist of UFOs, at
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least what people know about them. They stand
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upright, usually about eight to nine feet tall,
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and they may have a vaguely humanoid form, although
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they still retain insect -like characteristics.
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Their limbs often have extra joints, similar
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to praying mantises, and their hands and feet
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may be three pronged. The bodies of the mantis
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alien are sometimes green, they're more often
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brown or black, and they can also be white. egg
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shell, silver or gold. Some people describe them
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as having an oily sheen over their bodies. Some
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people describe the mantis alien as having a
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hard shell like exoskeleton while others say
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they're more fleshy and especially at the joints.
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Now mantis aliens seem to demonstrate a position
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of authority over other types of aliens when
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people interact with them, including the gray
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aliens that people commonly picture when they
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think of extraterrestrials. Most witnesses state
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that the mantis aliens communicate with them
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by transmitting thoughts. However, some people
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report that mantis aliens have spoken to them
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using traditional language, many people say that
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the mantis aliens transmit a calming sense of
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peace. But when they communicate with each other,
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they typically use a language made up of clicks,
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whistles, and trills. A number of witnesses have
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claimed that mantis aliens showed them holographic
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images of Earth being destroyed, and that might
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indicate that the mantis aliens are trying to
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intervene to stop humanity from destroying our
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planet, which is what a lot of people perceive
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about them. Often, people awake to find the mantis
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aliens standing over their beds. In these cases,
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the mantis aliens may interact with the witnesses,
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either communicating with them or drawing information,
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like memories and other experiences, from them
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telepathically. They have been reported all around
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the world, including the US, UK, Brazil, and
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Canada. And there are some what people perceive
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as unintentional encounters, where one theory
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states that this happens when the Mantis alien
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accidentally drops their ability to cloak their
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appearance. In these encounters, the Mantis aliens
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often do not interact with witnesses or may only
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interact briefly before disappearing. Alien abductions
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are most commonly associated with greys. However,
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some people report seeing Mantis aliens in conjunction
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with grey aliens and in these cases the Mantis
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usually appears to have a position of power over
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like they're telling the greys what to do. And
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they're often associated with ancient myths in
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parts of the world, including creation stories.
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And some of the most prevalent ones include from
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Africa, where some African cultures revere a
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mantis god named Kagan as the creator of the
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universe. And Egyptian, the Book of the Dead,
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souls are guided to the underworld by a mantis
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-headed deity named Abbot. In 2017, an ancient
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petroglyph was uncovered in Iran that seems to
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show a mantis -like creature. The picture of
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a squatting mantis man may be an indication that
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mantis -like creatures were an important part
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of the prehistoric mythology of the area. The
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next part of this came from, I don't understand
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the source, it's called the Council. And it gives
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a little description of what the Council is.
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The Council adjudicates reports of unidentified
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aerial phenomenon. We are not affiliated with
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any government, agency, or denominational institution.
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We are independent, structured, and cited. And
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the 2026 disclosure environment is the most consequential
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window in the modern history of the question.
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The Council exists to make a record of it that
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can be cited, revised, and trusted. That's what
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they say about themselves and they have a bit
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of a description about the mantids as well that
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adds to kind of that overall idea of it. That's
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kind of the first point that you can look at
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where somebody's actually written down insect
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-like beings. Okay, interesting. And then Carla
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Turner in Into the Fringe in 1992 and then Taken
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in 1994 documents abduction counts that include
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explicitly insect form entities. In Taken, the
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first insectoid beings appear as supervisors,
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towering mantis -like figures who oversee the
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smaller grays during abduction procedures. They're
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ascribed as six to eight feet tall, with elongated
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heads, large dark eyes, and thin jointed limbs
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that fold in front of their bodies like a praying
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mantis. Their presence changes the entire app.
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of the encounter, the greys become more cautious,
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more deliberate, as if deferring to higher authority.
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These beings communicated telepathically, their
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voice calm and clinical, lacking any human emotion.
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abductees reported that the insectoid seemed
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to study them deeply, not just physically, but
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mentally, as though examining their thoughts
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and memories. The insectoids rarely touch the
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abductees. Instead, it supervises, directs, observes,
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giving the impression of an ancient intelligence
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operating within a strict hierarchy. So it's
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right from like that early 90s. You already see
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this like very distinct pattern of what this
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being is emerge. I find that so strange. David
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Jacobs around the same time in Secret Life, which
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was written in 1992 and His subsequent work includes
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the mantid as one of three principal taxonomical
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categories and his elicited abduction hierarchy.
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He breaks it down to basically there's three
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beings, greys, reptilians, and insectoids. Because
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is there not way more than that? Oh, it's just
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this guy. Well, and this is in 92. Oh, OK. Whereas
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now, yeah, I think David Wilcock was talking
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about like 36 different species or something
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like that. Now, Jacobs repeatedly describes insectoids
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as tall insect -like beings who appear to be
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in charge of the abduction procedures, directing
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the smaller beings and overseeing the hybrid
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program. Jacobs is the first one to really emphasize
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that there was a hierarchy and insectoids were
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kind of above it all. It emphasizes that the
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abductees consistently report beings as authoritative,
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emotionally detached, and the ultimate decision
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-makers. I don't know if this is the place to
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say it. I don't know that we're in a place to
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be able to be making these observations of any
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sort of hierarchy. Well, I think like what they
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mean is like the grays are actually doing things
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and they just seem to be standing. It's just
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an observation. This guy seems to be. No, and
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that's like if we're putting like the human brain
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onto the situation you're seeing, you're like,
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oh, yes, this one's in charge. Yeah. OK. OK.
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That's fair enough. You can make that observation.
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After that, Johnny Mack wrote Abduction in 1994
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and Passports to the Cosmos in 1999, and he documents
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Manted Encounters in his clinical research interviews
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noting the consistent supervisory framing. Mack
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documented non -human entities with varied forms,
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including insect -like beings. Mack's abduction
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research notes that experiencers consistently
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report non -human entities that vary in description
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with recurring features such as large eyes, small
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bodies, and an intelligence. Mack emphasized
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cross -cultural consistencies in his writings.
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He studied roughly roughly 200 cases and found
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striking cross -cultural consistencies and abduction
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phenomena, including the presence of non -human
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beings performing examinations and communicating
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telepathically. This consistency is part of what
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legitimized insectoid reports in academic discussions.
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Mack frames entity encounters as a consciousness
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-based, transformative, and ecological. A passage
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from Abduction describes an experiencer's encounter
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with a divine light of energy and notes that
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many abductees develop acute ecological consciousness.
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This is central to Mack's interpretation. Insectoids
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or mantis -like beings often appear in these
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ecological spiritual contexts rather than hierarchical
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ones. And Mack advances the discussion by legitimizing
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experiencers and rejecting pathology. abductees
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were generally psychologically healthy and that
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their experiences were genuine phenomena, requiring
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new frameworks. This academic validation helped
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bring insectoid entity reports into serious discourse
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rather than fringe anecdote. And he positioned
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entity encounters, including insectoids, as real
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experiences, not hallucinations. And he compares
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these abductions to DMT entities and notes that
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both involve non -human intelligence and examination.
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And that is going to be something that we get
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into in a little bit here. But his willingness
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to treat these beings as phenomenal So that's
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kind of like the pathway you can see insectoids
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growing through the books, but It actually spreads
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principally through mid -90s online forums. It's
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where it gets the most traction and kind of where
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the phenomenon as we kind of know it comes from.
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Do you recall off the top of your head when it
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was the Greys? It was before this, was it not?
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Yeah, yeah, it's about 20 years before this.
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Okay. Because Betty and Barney Hill are in the
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60s and they do specifically describe Greys.
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It starts with them. Yeah, I remember that from
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the episode. Okay, sorry. from the forums. Television
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and film start to pick up on the idea of a mantis
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alien being and it appears in the episode Patient
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X of The X -Files in 1998. Other various lesser
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productions and contemporary streaming platform
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UFO documentaries have used insect form alien
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imagery reinforcing this visual template. And
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the mantid is notably less culturally saturated
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than the grays or the reptilians. It remains
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primarily a feature of the dedicated abduction
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literature rather than a mainstream popular icon.
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So apparently Edgar Mitchell, who we did an episode
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on years ago, he did actually do quite a bit
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of research into alien abductions. And he found
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that from a study of 708 people who had contact
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with non -human entities, 13 % reported interacting
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with mantis type beings, which is not insignificant.
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Whereas it's more like when you're talking grays,
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it's only about 45%. What would the other ones
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be? reptilian you know what there's short grays
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tall grays so that's 78 percent right there those
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combined and then other type is 30 percent hybrid
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of something 20 percent and then insectoids or
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mantids 13 percent and reptilians are at 13 percent
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as well ah okay this is where i thought this
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got interesting, Chelsea. They show up somewhere
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else and it's super crazy. If alien abductees
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are to be believed, there's a race of insectoid
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beings abducting humans. Naturally, such cliched
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reports of close encounters tend to be written
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off as hallucinatory nonsense despite the fact
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that those making the claims often insist on
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their authenticity. According to a new study
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in the Journal of Psychopharmacology, these odd
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confrontations with otherworldly creatures may
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have a rational explanation after all, thanks
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to a psychedelic compound called N -dimethyltryptamine,
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or DMT. Intriguingly, similar meetings with strange
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entities are often reported by people who smoke
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DMT, with certain archetypal creatures appearing
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with striking regularity. This phenomenon was
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first pointed out by the famed psychedelic explorer
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Terrence McKenna, who wrote about his encounters
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with the, quote, the machine elves, end quote,
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during his DMT trips. Since then, numerous other
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people have claimed to have met these very same
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beings after taking the drug, while other common
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DMT entities recorded in the academic literature
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include praying mantis alien brain surgeons.
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To learn more about these strange apparitions,
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the study author conducted an online survey of
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2 ,561 people who claimed to have encountered
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an entity while on DMT. Of these, 95 % said that
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they believe these entities to be conscious and
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intelligent, while three -quarters remain convinced
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that these beings really existed even after the
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effects of the drugs had worn off. As a consequence,
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80 % said that this experience fundamentally
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altered their perception of reality. Digging
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deeper. The researchers learned that most people
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were able to communicate telepathically with
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these entities and predominantly experienced
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positive emotions such as joy and love. end quote,
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writes the authors. After collating these trip
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reports, the team then examined other studies
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involving non -DMT users who claimed to have
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been abducted by aliens or had a spiritual encounter.
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Their analysis revealed that quote, For instance,
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two -thirds of respondents reported receiving
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some sort of message or prediction about the
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future, something which is also commonly reported
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by alien abductees or people who claim to have
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had a religious experience. The nature of these
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messages vary greatly, with one person being
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informed by a DMT entity that they were going
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to die on June 27th, 2067. Others, meanwhile,
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converse with DMT entities about more prosaic
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matters, including one respondent who described
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an encounter with a mystical being who, quote,
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was teaching me the rules and regulations of
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the NFL, end quote. Did not die on that exact
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day because it's being relayed 2067. Oh, I guess
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I missed that part. Yeah Entity encounter experiences
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in the absence of D &T or other psychedelics
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have been described in various contexts including
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those reported as God encounter experiences,
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religious prophecy, alien abduction experiences,
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near -death experiences, UFO experiences which
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include non -human entity encounters, and a range
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of other historical and cultural contexts. up
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a whole lot more throughout history these mantis
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beings then if they're linked with something
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like this that's a fair point but is the alien
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portion i'm taking it as that is not linked with
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the dmt kind of brain stuff only since the sorry
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80s or 90s oh my god i'm so bad at recall but
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you would think that it would come up more if
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it's because people have been doing this type
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of stuff for a long time Yeah, like I said, it
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does show up religiously, millennia ago, in Egypt
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and Africa. So it's not like this is just a new
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phenomenon, or at least you can somewhat compare
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it to that, but it is weird that it doesn't pop
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up again until the 90s. Yeah, that's the weird
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thing about it. Let's keep taking it in, maybe
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I'll stew on it for a bit. In the present survey
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and consistent with prior descriptions of DMT
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-associated entity encounters, respondents commonly
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endorse nonspecific terms to describe these entities,
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such as being, guide, spirit, alien or helper.
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with a wide variety of more specific terms, animal
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spirit, clown, demon, gnome, monster being endorsed
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at lower rates, somewhere around 10%. These descriptions
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are somewhat similar to those in non -drug alien
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encounters and abduction literature which most
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commonly describe humanoid entities but also
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insectoid, reptilian, spirit, ghost, and animal
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type entities. Other similarities between the
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present survey and surveys of non -drug alien
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experiences include that communication was most
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often telepathic or and most respondents considered
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these experiences to be positive reporting increases
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in appreciation for life, self -worth, compassion
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for others, and a decreased fear of death. Differences
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between the DMT entities' encounter surveys and
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non -drug alien encounter experiences include
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that the latter entities are most commonly described
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as grays. And that is funny, where mantis encounters
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happen under DMT, but grays do not. Nobody describes
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grays under DMT. That's super bizarre. And I
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did know that they come up in both situations,
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but I actually, I don't know, never thought together
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for this. Yeah. This is actually where I'm going
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to end this episode. And the next episode is
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just going to be encounters. OK. It is going
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to be a longer one, unfortunately. I just thought
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this was the best way to break it up. Yeah. But
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that just kind of gives you an idea of like there's
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two distinct parts of the Mantis phenomenon that
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are kind of distinctly different. But there's
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so many similarities between the two. It's just
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kind of crazy. and that's so crazy too that they
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come up together and that I know is something
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that's on our list is DMT and entities that you
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see while you're under the influence of a substance
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there's a lot of them and I don't know offhand
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if there's anything else that kind of crosses
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that boundary as well any other entities I don't
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know if you happen to know I do know reptilians
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are both but i limited this to the mantids yeah
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no i was just curious if there are any other
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entities that would cross as something that you
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see under the influence and then real yeah no
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i can't confirm like reptilian did keep coming
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up with that i didn't look into it because i
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did keep it this i've heard more mantid beings
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that being said i don't hear a whole lot about
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them i hear more mantid beings like with associated
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with DMT and stuff like that. But that's so interesting
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that it's one of those creatures that crosses
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that barrier, I guess, and I don't know what
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to make of it. Yeah, and I think you're going
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to be just as flabbergasted once we go through
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some of the sightings because they vary so much
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just because you're looking at two different
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kinds of things. And like we even said earlier,
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sometimes it just kind of appears out of nowhere
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standing in front of you, and it's not even like
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an abduction situation. would hate that and it's
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ah Okay, and that be kind of under... I don't
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know how I'm connecting the two, actually. There's
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a lot of things that I'm just trying to grasp
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at. It just seems like it's right on the tip
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of my brain. Like, what are you doing? But I'm
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not quite getting there. And are we gonna see
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in the experiences, do they kind of... How they're
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interacting and acting in both situations? Like
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abduction scenario and DMT scenario? You're gonna
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see a lot of different stuff going on. in these
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rooms, Chelsea. I'm excited to get into this.
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I'm very excited, too. Let's end it so we can
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just start talking about it. I have been Taylor,
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here with Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe.
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For now, I'll see you in the next episode.