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- 0:05Luke Littler trademarks his face.
- 0:08Welcome to Mark and Pete, and today we're looking at a darts
- 0:12player who's precious about his image, maybe for good reasons.
- 0:17This is Mark and Pete, 2 blokes with half an opinion.
- 0:21Now here's our first thought. The face of fame If you have a
- 0:26favoured famous face that draws attention to give folk chase,
- 0:31you just need a good hiding place.
- 0:34So wear a paper bag just in case.
- 0:36Well, yes indeed. What do you do when you're
- 0:39famous and your image is so worth lots of millions of
- 0:45pounds? Well, take the example of Luke
- 0:48Littler. The youngest dance world
- 0:50champion in history is applied to the Intellectual Property
- 0:53Office to trademark his face. Now, many people will probably
- 0:58be very familiar with the image of Luke Littler.
- 1:01He has risen to fame in his profession.
- 1:03Why is this important? Well, many people are concerned
- 1:06that actually when you capture the image of a person, whether
- 1:10they're famous sports star or a celebrity, it can actually mean
- 1:14that other people can effectively hijack your image
- 1:17rights. So what has Luke done
- 1:19essentially is applying to have his image trademarked.
- 1:23Mr. Pete, I think this is a very clever move, especially
- 1:26commercially where he can apply his image to many different
- 1:29things on darts merchandising. But where my thought to here is
- 1:34this really sort of opens up the opportunity to many other
- 1:37celebrities. Yes, Mr. Mark, some of them
- 1:43maybe I'm just suggesting this maybe with more attractive faces
- 1:47than Mr. Littler and, and, and not that he's not attractive, of
- 1:50course, we're big fans of his on on this show.
- 1:52But I, I, I think that his move there may well be aimed at
- 1:58people using his image, maybe in deep fakes, you know, used in by
- 2:03AI to produce things that he doesn't want to be associated
- 2:06with. Because although it won't stop
- 2:08people using it in the first place, if they're using it for
- 2:11commercial reasons or, you know, some way attacking his
- 2:15reputation, then it gives him the easier legal route to suing
- 2:22them. So I think that may be more of
- 2:25more of the motivation. However, yeah, being able to
- 2:29have your have the rights to your own image, to your own face
- 2:34does open open you up to if you're well known, there are
- 2:38lots of commercial opportunities.
- 2:40Luke Littler. Mug.
- 2:42Well no, it wouldn't be mugs, but little tiny espresso cups
- 2:45because of littler. What do you think?
- 2:48Well, nuts to you. Yes, well.
- 2:51Why impressed? Well, because yes, Luke Littler
- 2:55has multiple brands such as KP Nuts and in fact he uses his
- 2:59images on those sort of things. Of course, he uses them on darts
- 3:02merchandising, but I think that there are many of the things
- 3:05that he can apply his image to. But I think that the idea of
- 3:09being able to do this is not an easy one to maintain.
- 3:13Why? Well, here's the one of the
- 3:15biggest threats, it's AI. Because often what can happen
- 3:20is, is that things that many people can put into, you know, a
- 3:25generic chat bot or something like that to create an image.
- 3:29You will probably find that it'll draw upon various images
- 3:33that are out there on the Internet and create one for
- 3:36itself, meaning that it could simulate loot littler or any
- 3:41other well known individual. Now, of course, one of the
- 3:44things that's important here isn't just for the commercial
- 3:47side, it's making sure that it's not misrepresented because
- 3:51obviously loot wouldn't necessarily always want to be
- 3:53applied to certain products or associated with certain things.
- 3:58So the idea behind this is it gives him some kind of legal
- 4:02standing. And I think that that's, that's
- 4:04a good one. Now, I will say, Mr. Pete, that
- 4:07of course I can sort of see an whole new world opening up for
- 4:11lawyers, solicitors all around the world because it's
- 4:15inevitable, isn't it, that somewhere there's going to be
- 4:17legal claims. It is.
- 4:19So in many ways it's not just about the individual.
- 4:22It's about, you know, there are other associated professions
- 4:26that could benefit here. Yes, they could.
- 4:29Yeah. I mean, the idea of your image
- 4:32has these sort of two sides to it, doesn't it?
- 4:34In that it does mean, you know, physical pictures of you, But
- 4:38your image is, you know, what people make of you, your
- 4:41reputation. And in the Bible, it's a
- 4:44Christian thought. It's said that humans are made
- 4:48in the image of God. And the idea that you take your
- 4:51image seriously because you meant you're effectively
- 4:54representing God in the world is a way of saying that you that
- 5:00you should be good and take your responsibilities seriously.
- 5:04And if you're, if that image is then besmirched, of course, you
- 5:07should also take that seriously. This concept is true, you know,
- 5:10not just in Christianity, but many other religions, the
- 5:12importance of, of your image and in in Eastern thought, I've
- 5:18noticed saying, as listeners may not know I did.
- 5:21I worked out in the Far East for some time and the idea of face
- 5:26is very important there. The face being sort of the image
- 5:30or reputation that is perceived so that if your reputation is
- 5:34damaged, it's very, very important.
- 5:36It's and, and this is something, something that has always
- 5:42happened though, you know, people using people's images,
- 5:44physical images to then besmirch someone's image.
- 5:47But it used to be, you know, people holding up their hands to
- 5:50the paparazzi and say, don't take my photo.
- 5:52But now people it it's sort of don't generate my image, isn't
- 5:56it? Because it can be done without
- 5:57physical presence. So now we have the the situation
- 6:02that this is necessary to do this.
- 6:05It's more difficult to prove, at least in this stage, that you've
- 6:09actually violated the image rights.
- 6:12And that's where the lawyers, as you were saying Mark, happily
- 6:16step in to get a nice big paycheck.
- 6:19Well, in fact, Loot Littler is not the only one who's gone
- 6:22through this process. Now if we take some of the
- 6:25famous singers for example, throughout the world, Taylor
- 6:28Swift being an obvious one, her image has been misused by
- 6:32generation of all sorts of technology.
- 6:36Gen. AI has reproduced her image in
- 6:39multiple forms and that has caused many concerns.
- 6:43And so this lack of image rights within the law is something that
- 6:47many lawyers have actually said that not just the US, but also
- 6:51the UK, Europe and Asia need to tighten up.
- 6:54Because I think that when you think about it is that you are
- 6:58really sort of relying on your image as your business and
- 7:03whilst your skill is very much part of it.
- 7:05So in Luke's case, he's obviously very skillful at
- 7:08throwing the dart and being very accurate.
- 7:10In Taylor Swift's case, you know, it's just about singing
- 7:12songs and writing good, good tunes.
- 7:15But the fact of the matter is, if somebody comes in and
- 7:18basically hijacks your image, you could be in a situation
- 7:23where you, you as an unsuspecting member of the
- 7:26public could end up buying something that wasn't
- 7:28authenticated. And I think that's the key as
- 7:31well. It's not just about the the loss
- 7:33of business to the artist or to the expert.
- 7:36It's also to protect the consumer.
- 7:39I think that's the other side of this, isn't it?
- 7:41It's it's buyer beware. Yes, I think that's that's
- 7:46important. Yes, I think that
- 7:48misrepresenting someone is important, not just for the
- 7:51person involved in the, we're talking about Luke Littler, but
- 7:54others, but for the for people who are seeing that image, if
- 7:59they think it is actually them, the the person they want to see
- 8:02and it isn't, then they're being cheated out of being whatever it
- 8:08is, being able to see the actual person or they may, you know,
- 8:11then have a bad impression of the person.
- 8:13Depending on how the image is being used, maybe some deep fake
- 8:17use which represents the person in a bad light, then you know,
- 8:22you've got mental stress of the person, you know of the fans of
- 8:27the person. So it, it, it, it is a good
- 8:29move. It's it's sad in a way that it's
- 8:32necessary, but it is a good move.
- 8:35Well, and many lawyers are saying smart branding decisions
- 8:38are key here. And of course, you know, what
- 8:40we're really looking for and they're saying is a legal
- 8:42framework around AI and copyright as well as trademark,
- 8:46because trademarks remain one of the most effective tools to
- 8:49control commercial use of your own image.
- 8:52So whether it's on a poster, whether it's on AT shirt,
- 8:55etcetera, these are the sort of things that can help people to
- 8:59make sure that they're the artists protected and also of
- 9:02course the consumer. Unless, of course, you just
- 9:04happen to see it as an ugly mug.