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Round 2 against Houston | Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, December 28 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to jas Drive with John Oshers and Brian sex It.
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Speaker 1: Sexton James Drive starts right now herein Core. Come on
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Speaker 1: Fixed Games playing the Drive. It started at the four
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Speaker 1: yard line. They're on four quarterback sneak times for the
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Speaker 1: touchdown pick Nacks got a game and that's nine. He said,
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Speaker 1: what you doing blood? Start the Christmas weekend off that
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Speaker 1: Christma Jamal Agnew miked up on Thursday Night football at
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Speaker 1: New York is entertaining. It appears on the mic as
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Speaker 1: he is on the field. Hello and welcome to a
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Speaker 1: Wednesday edition of Jags Drive Time Brian sex It along
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Speaker 1: with John Osier heading into week seventeen and showdown with
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Speaker 1: the Hughes Con Texans on Sunday. One little bit of
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Speaker 1: news to share with you. Riley Patterson named the a
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Speaker 1: f C Special Teams Player of the Week and for
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars, this is the first That is, they had
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago the a f C Offensive
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Speaker 1: Player of the Week Lawrence and then the a f
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Speaker 1: C Defensive Player of the Week Gray Shawn Jenkins. Now
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Speaker 1: for a third consecutive week they have a player of
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Speaker 1: the Week. It's Special Teams the first time in the
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Speaker 1: history of the franchise. They've hit the trifecta of all
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Speaker 1: three positional awards in three consecutive weeks. It's impressive. And
1:32
Speaker 1: and I approached Riley after the game on on Thursday,
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Speaker 1: and I think he may have thought that I was
1:40
Speaker 1: sort of coming toward him for a negative story, because
1:43
Speaker 1: because you were coming at him to talk about anything, Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's when you talked to kickers. When I talked
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Speaker 1: to him, he was sort of kicking himself for the miss,
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Speaker 1: and I was going to him because I thought hitting
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Speaker 1: four out of five in those conditions, considering the game
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Speaker 1: nineteen to thirteen, and every kick, unlike some games in
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Speaker 1: the NFL these days, every field goal in that game
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Speaker 1: felt like it was shifting what the Jets had to
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Speaker 1: do to get back in it significantly. I mean, it
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Speaker 1: was shaping the game. So I thought it was an
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Speaker 1: impressive game. And he's a yet, he's a young kid,
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Speaker 1: hasn't dealt with a ton of media. And it was
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Speaker 1: part of me that wondered if he thought that I
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Speaker 1: was like trying to get it a negative anger um.
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Speaker 1: But I thought it was a really, really impressive effort.
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Speaker 1: And it's worth noting that they brought him in here
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Speaker 1: right before the season began, remember kicker gate. I do,
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Speaker 1: I do, And since then, I think he's fourth in
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Speaker 1: the a f c's in scoring, in the ninth or
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Speaker 1: tenth in the league in overall scoring, just quietly is
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Speaker 1: going about his business and has made most big kicks
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Speaker 1: this season. There's been a few um but overall he
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Speaker 1: had a little kick up. Missed three or four somewhere
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Speaker 1: around mid season and one in London that he missed. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: every email, oh we need to get you know, uh
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Speaker 1: settled in. He settled in and I think Doug Peterson
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Speaker 1: and Trent ball Key said, Okay, we're gonna give this
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Speaker 1: guy a chance to show us over a multi game stretch.
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Speaker 1: Can he come back from this? And again that was
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Speaker 1: a hiccup. I'm overplaying even mentioning it. But he's done
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Speaker 1: an impressive job for somebody who was, you know, at
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Speaker 1: a position where people were panicking and training camp and
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Speaker 1: it was kind of funny. Remember multiple times Doug said,
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Speaker 1: we've been through this, this is you can get a
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Speaker 1: kicker this way. It's not a big deal. And it
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Speaker 1: turned out it wasn't a big deal. And with two
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Speaker 1: games left and potentially the playoffs. Expect to hear or
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Speaker 1: see more from Roddy Patterson in the coming weeks. Now
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Speaker 1: that we're all settled in, let's hit big things on
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Speaker 1: Wednesday morning here from t I A bank Field, and
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Speaker 1: we'll start with there's for the taking. The AFC South
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Speaker 1: is right for the taking this season, and beyond is
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Speaker 1: it stacks up with a young quarterback, things are looking good.
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Speaker 1: I think that the foundation of who we are has
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Speaker 1: already been set in place. Um. Doug did a great
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Speaker 1: job alluding to what he put up in training camp,
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Speaker 1: a couple of the power point slides that he had
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Speaker 1: actually Um demonstrated to us in the beginning. So when
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Speaker 1: we laid that foundation, and now we don't deviate just
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Speaker 1: because we are, you know, the number one spot now.
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Speaker 1: So we stay the course of who we are. We
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Speaker 1: practice our habits, and we execute what we do. And
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Speaker 1: I feel like um come game, Tom Mayo show. One
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Speaker 1: of the staples of this season has been the elimination
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Speaker 1: of some nasty lingering streaks, like the Jaguars four years
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Speaker 1: without having a win against an NFC team, or the
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Speaker 1: long losing streak on the road, or the inability to
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Speaker 1: put back to back wins together. We're winning in Nashville.
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Speaker 1: This is the next one, and that is they have
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Speaker 1: lost nine consecutive games to these Houston Texans and they're
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Speaker 1: ready to put this one to bed. They remember what
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Speaker 1: happened here in October. There's a lot to play for
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Speaker 1: it this week. Any beat us last time, so any motivation,
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Speaker 1: Like everybody wants to keep it un momentum going from
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Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks, these wins, So do whatever
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Speaker 1: we need to do to keep that going. That by
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Speaker 1: being in Houston, So everything right now and being putting
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Speaker 1: that game play of Houston and whatever happens after that
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Speaker 1: is what we'll take care of when that comes. And
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Speaker 1: Big Thing three is so it now what I think
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Speaker 1: it's the most used big thing this season and truthfully
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Speaker 1: we could probably put it in here every single week.
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Speaker 1: All right, next move on to the next big thing
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Speaker 1: for this football team. As Gus Bradley used to say,
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Speaker 1: treat adversity and prosperity as the same. Both are impostors.
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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram is a guy who's had a lot of
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Speaker 1: prosperity in recent weeks. He's not letting it get to
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Speaker 1: his head. He doesn't see that coming to this team.
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Speaker 1: Either we're gonna get singing to work, We're gonna continue
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Speaker 1: to get better and try to improve him matter how
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Speaker 1: many points going on, how many games you win, and
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Speaker 1: say there by day trying to try to maximize that day.
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Speaker 1: So choose the story line you want to start with. UM.
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Speaker 1: I think the division is interesting because it has turned
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Speaker 1: so quickly from mid season when they were third place
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Speaker 1: and the only team they were ahead of was the
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Speaker 1: team that everybody assumes it's going to pick number one overall.
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Speaker 1: And it feels like a reboot to where now you
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Speaker 1: really are in control of it, and uh, they are
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Speaker 1: going to be the team quarterback wise that the rest
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Speaker 1: of the division has to go find the guy to
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Speaker 1: catch at this point. And I don't think that's uh
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Speaker 1: getting too far ahead of yourselves. With Trevor Lawrence, I
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Speaker 1: think he's about to become a top five seven quarterback
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Speaker 1: right now. He's playing like it unless he's unless what
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Speaker 1: I'm seeing as a fluke. He's gonna be a top five.
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Speaker 1: He's gonna be a Pro Bowl. Build your franchise around
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Speaker 1: the guy. The rest of the division doesn't have that. No, no,
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Speaker 1: they don't have it on the roster. I don't think
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Speaker 1: now Malik Willis might evolve into that, but from what
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Speaker 1: we've seen to him him so far, he's a long
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Speaker 1: way from being there. And the Colts have been playing
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Speaker 1: rent a quarterback, whether it was Philip Rivers or Carson Wentz.
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Speaker 1: This year it's Matt Ryan. Uh. The Texans obviously will
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Speaker 1: start over at the top of the draft. That's why
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Speaker 1: I started with the fact is that this division is
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars for the taking. I remember the great Colts
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Speaker 1: teams that you covered in in the early part of
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Speaker 1: the two thousands. It got started, and then every single year, John,
7:34
Speaker 1: they were either in the hunt for the a f
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Speaker 1: C championship or they were at least division champions right
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Speaker 1: and they were at ten eleven, thirteen win team. It
7:42
Speaker 1: feels like and a lot of things have to go
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Speaker 1: right and right, and you gotta stay healthy. Um, but
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Speaker 1: it feels like that's the window that's opening for this
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Speaker 1: team right now. And it's it's way, way, way too
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Speaker 1: difficult to predict that it will be like that, but
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Speaker 1: I think it's gounda be like that. Well, it's it's
8:00
Speaker 1: got a chance to be like that. I think bare
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Speaker 1: minimum it is going to be a situation where every
8:06
Speaker 1: year with Trevor Lawrence, you go in believe and you
8:08
Speaker 1: have a chance. And I always have to take you
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Speaker 1: to say you're gonna go to run like that because
8:13
Speaker 1: it's really hard to do and it's really rare um
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Speaker 1: but and it can change so fast. Two years ago,
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Speaker 1: even when they drafted Trevor Lawrence, I don't think anybody
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Speaker 1: was saying, Okay, the Jaguars are going to be that.
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Speaker 1: You know, it can change really fast. The team gets
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, you get an injury, boom, it's changed like that.
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Speaker 1: But he gives you a chance to to be to
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Speaker 1: start at eight and eight every year if you want,
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Speaker 1: you know, to reach that point and then decide, Okay,
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Speaker 1: how healthy we're gonna be is this year? We can
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Speaker 1: put the roster together, this year, we get the right
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Speaker 1: matchups in the postseason, you can get to that point
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Speaker 1: of feeling that way because that's really what great quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: do it. I'm not a big believer in judging quarterback
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Speaker 1: careers on Super Bowls that I mean the minority there,
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Speaker 1: but I do believe the great ones get you there
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Speaker 1: every year. If you have a ten year period with
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Speaker 1: a great one you're gonna be there eight, eight or
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Speaker 1: nine times and let the chips fall where they may. Uh,
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Brett Farve, Brady Man, you know all these guys,
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Speaker 1: and Jim Kelly is a great example of a guy
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Speaker 1: there every year. If you get there every year for
9:23
Speaker 1: ten years, you're gonna roll the dice and win a couple.
9:25
Speaker 1: Allow me just a moment of a shameless self promotion.
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Speaker 1: The story I wrote this week for historical perspective. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know it is, isn't it? Um? Mr ozone? The
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Speaker 1: In two thousand five, the Jaguars went on Christmas Eve
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Speaker 1: to play these Houston Texans, and the situations are so similar.
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Speaker 1: The Jaguars were ten and four and still fighting for
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Speaker 1: wild card because those great Colts teams were way ahead
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Speaker 1: of them in the division standings, and that particular team
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Speaker 1: in Houston was looking at the number one overall pick
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Speaker 1: in the draft, which they ended up with. They took
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Speaker 1: Alfred Williams in two thousand and six, and yet it
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Speaker 1: took the Jaguars three touchdown drives in the recorded overcome
10:01
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans that Sunday afternoon. That's a little bit different.
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Speaker 1: They had David Carr a young quarterback, and they had
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Speaker 1: um uh Andre Johnson, the great wide receiver. But it
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Speaker 1: don't think that Sunday's game. And the Jaguars, by the way,
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Speaker 1: don't write. They remember that Detroit game a few weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: And and to a man, the guys that I talked
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Speaker 1: to in the locker room the other day said that
10:24
Speaker 1: Detroit game flipped a switch in this team. They're not
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Speaker 1: going to overlook these Texans. History has an interesting way
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Speaker 1: of repeating itself, like like a very close game, not
10:32
Speaker 1: just because the Texans beat the Titans last week, but
10:35
Speaker 1: the way that they played both the Cowboys and the
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Speaker 1: Chiefs well. And they also rightly believe. You know, NFL
10:44
Speaker 1: players typically don't look at schedule and record as much
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Speaker 1: as fans and observers do. The Texans have a bunch
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Speaker 1: of guys who have always beaten the Jaguars, so when
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Speaker 1: they're preparing, when they go down on the field, they
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Speaker 1: don't see any great shakes over here. You know, you
11:03
Speaker 1: always had to prove that away, and that's a big
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Speaker 1: task this week. The key for the Texans the last
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Speaker 1: three weeks and being competitive with great teams and then
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Speaker 1: of course beating the Titans takeaways. They have eight takeaways
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Speaker 1: in the last three games. By the way, the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: also have eight takeaways in the last three games. Let's
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Speaker 1: take a break. We'll talk Texans Withdrew Doherty, the television
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Speaker 1: host for those Texans. When we return on a Wednesday
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Speaker 1: morning to Jacks Drive Time. Brian Sexton John Osire with
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Speaker 1: you from Jacksonville. Back after this. We're back on Jacks
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Speaker 1: Drive Time, brought to you this Wednesday morning by our
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Speaker 1: friends at Public's. Public says, you know is where shopping
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Speaker 1: is of pleasure. Brian and John here on Jacks Drive Time,
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Speaker 1: talking Jaguars and Texans in week seventeen. And to do
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Speaker 1: that we bring in our friend Drew Doherty from Houston
11:51
Speaker 1: Texans dot Com Texans TV. He does a little bit
11:54
Speaker 1: of everything in covering that football team. Drew, Good morning,
11:57
Speaker 1: Good morning to you guys. How you doing it good,
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Speaker 1: Nice to see you hey. Last January, the Jaguars were
12:04
Speaker 1: finishing up a horrid season. Obviously, they had fired the coach.
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Speaker 1: They were going to start the process of starting over again.
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Speaker 1: The Colts rolled in here just needing to win last
12:14
Speaker 1: January and they didn't. Some could argue that their season
12:19
Speaker 1: this year was off the rails because of that loss
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Speaker 1: that they had here in January. So I guess my
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Speaker 1: question is last January the Jaguars had Trevor Lawrence who
12:27
Speaker 1: would not let his team go to sleep at the
12:30
Speaker 1: end of the season. Who's doing that for the Texans
12:32
Speaker 1: because they're wide awake with the way that you've played
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, the Chiefs, and the Titans. Yeah, for sure.
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Speaker 1: And it's it's definitely the defense, because you just mentioned
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Speaker 1: it before the break. You know, eight takeaways the last
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Speaker 1: three games, their plus six in turnover differential in those
12:48
Speaker 1: last three games. I mean they were minus six on
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Speaker 1: the season going into that that Cowboys game, and then
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Speaker 1: they come out of it, uh, you know on Tuesday
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Speaker 1: after getting all that that that that flurry of takeaways
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Speaker 1: and their plus two and they're you know, they're kind
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Speaker 1: of on their way back up. That had been one
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Speaker 1: of the few things that a love you Smith defense
13:09
Speaker 1: and love you Smith football team had done well last year.
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Speaker 1: They were actually positive um in takeaway turnover differential despite
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Speaker 1: what the record was. So they've been getting the ball back,
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Speaker 1: they've been getting the ball away. And then this wacky
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Speaker 1: two quarterback system, which I've never really seen work as
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Speaker 1: successfully as this, and you can't really say it's too
13:31
Speaker 1: successful because they're one and two since I started doing it.
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Speaker 1: But it just gives teams a different thing that they've
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Speaker 1: got to prepare for. With Jeff dress School, who you
13:39
Speaker 1: guys know a little bit about, um, you know a
13:41
Speaker 1: little bit of a time there at Florida. But it's
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Speaker 1: mainly been the takeaways, and then just kind of a
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Speaker 1: different offense with the two uh two QB system and
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Speaker 1: it's a really good special teams plays. I mean, they're
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Speaker 1: at the end of the Titans game on Saturday, they
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Speaker 1: down a punt inside the five and that made tough
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Speaker 1: on Malik Willis. You know, he's still learning the game
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Speaker 1: as a rookie quarterback. So kind of those three things.
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Speaker 1: But like you said, the defense getting the takeaways mainly, uh,
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Speaker 1: dig down a little bit offensively for me, what when
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Speaker 1: this team's moving the ball, what can they do? Well,
14:18
Speaker 1: it's that's what That's what it is. They move the ball.
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Speaker 1: You know, they're not gonna hit you with quick strikes
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Speaker 1: stuff and end to drive after two or three plays.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be a methodical thing which works,
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Speaker 1: which is good. Um, But you're gonna get some runs
14:35
Speaker 1: when you know when when Damian Pierce is not on
14:38
Speaker 1: the field because this season is done, he's on the
14:39
Speaker 1: injured reserve. But you're gonna get a kind of a
14:42
Speaker 1: committee of guys, Daria Boomba, Wally Royce Freeman. Last weekend,
14:47
Speaker 1: he got you about three yards per carry, whether you
14:50
Speaker 1: needed one yard, whether you needed ten yards. It's kind
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Speaker 1: of like the old Wolf Garrison joke for like the
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Speaker 1: Cowboys in the sixties. But it's just one of those
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Speaker 1: offenses that they'll utilize the tight ends and it will
15:00
Speaker 1: be a different tight end each week. You know, last
15:02
Speaker 1: week it was Brevin Jordan's coming up with a big past.
15:04
Speaker 1: Jordan Nakins has been the most consistent of the tight
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Speaker 1: ends and he's kind of had his best season as
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Speaker 1: a professional who's drafted in twenty eighteen. So it's one
15:14
Speaker 1: of those type of things. And now they sprinkled back
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Speaker 1: in Brandon Cooks, he was out for about a month
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Speaker 1: he had he went on the field, so he caught
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Speaker 1: a touchdown pass late in that game on Saturday. So
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Speaker 1: they're getting help from all different types, but there's nobody
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Speaker 1: they're feeding. There's no DeAndre Hopkins clearly on this team.
15:30
Speaker 1: There's no Andre Johnson, there's no Arian Foster. Now that
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Speaker 1: Damian appearces on the on the sidelines. So it's kind
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Speaker 1: of a group effort, and it's starting at quarterback. A
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Speaker 1: group effort quarterback and Drew it was flipping over the
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Speaker 1: defensive side every time I looked up the other day,
15:43
Speaker 1: Jonathan Grennard was in the quarterback space. Yeah, so where
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Speaker 1: else is pressure coming from our plays coming from on
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Speaker 1: the defensive side the ball? Because there's not the Jadeveon
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Speaker 1: Clowney and the JJ Watt over there that used to
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Speaker 1: wreck game plans. It looks like that's by committee. Also, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: quiet giant in the middle is Malik Collins. He's a
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle. You know, when the Texans are at there,
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Speaker 1: very very worst the season, it's been a bad season.
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Speaker 1: You have a dozen losses, it's been a bad year.
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Speaker 1: But when they're at their worst, at their lowest, they
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Speaker 1: were getting smoked on the ground and that's when he
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Speaker 1: was out. He was injured early on in the Raiders game,
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Speaker 1: right after the by and missed about two three four
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Speaker 1: games and the Texans just had no answer for anybody
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Speaker 1: on the ground. He's back. He's playing really really well,
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Speaker 1: and he's getting after the quarterback. He's plugging things up
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Speaker 1: in the middle. You know, Lovey Smith said in the
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Speaker 1: off season, this guy's the engine of our defense. He's
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Speaker 1: the three technique defensive tackle and he's been playing really,
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Speaker 1: really well. But also guys getting some pressure. Some some
16:42
Speaker 1: guys who have are pretty long in the tooth, like
16:45
Speaker 1: Jerry Hughes, he's got eight sacks. You've got Mario Addison.
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Speaker 1: He'll contribute a little bit. He was inactive last Saturday,
16:50
Speaker 1: but he's he's had some some games. He had the
16:53
Speaker 1: bills and sacks last year up in Buffalo, So you're
16:56
Speaker 1: getting it from all over. And then also in the
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Speaker 1: front seven, Christian Harris, the rookie linebacker. You guys didn't
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Speaker 1: see him the first time around. He's he's playing lights
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Speaker 1: out and just keeps getting better each game. Does this team?
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Speaker 1: I mean the Texans um they've beating the Jaguars nine
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Speaker 1: games in a row. Yeah, But I also have experience
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Speaker 1: with seasons like the Texans are going through. There's so
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Speaker 1: much going on. Maybe that's sort of a thing doesn't
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Speaker 1: uh hold much water as a game approaches. What's your
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Speaker 1: take on how they feel about this game. It is
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Speaker 1: that streak important to them or is just too much
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Speaker 1: else going on to worry about it? You guys know,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they can hardly remember what they
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Speaker 1: ate yesterday at lunch. I mean, let alone a streak. Um.
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Speaker 1: I think they're just trying to put a great film
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Speaker 1: on tape. And you know, they're great play on tape. Um.
17:44
Speaker 1: You know, they're professionals. And some of them don't know
17:47
Speaker 1: if they're gonna play football ever again, and they don't
17:49
Speaker 1: want that to happen. Some of them don't know if
17:51
Speaker 1: they're gonna play for the Texans, but they do want
17:53
Speaker 1: to play here next year. So they're just trying to
17:55
Speaker 1: put put great film on tape or play on film.
17:58
Speaker 1: I'm mixing these things up. It. You know, they're just pros.
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Speaker 1: I I don't think that streak means anything to them.
18:04
Speaker 1: I don't know how much it means to the Jags.
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Speaker 1: But um, you gotta you gotta remember a lot of
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Speaker 1: these guys weren't even here last year, let alone to
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Speaker 1: three years ago, and that thing was really churning. Yeah,
18:15
Speaker 1: that's the same thing here. There are some players who
18:17
Speaker 1: have been around enough to kind of understand they haven't
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Speaker 1: beaten the Texans, but overall they're not worried. They just
18:22
Speaker 1: want to keep rolling towards what they hope is a
18:24
Speaker 1: division title. They're tired of being asked the question to
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Speaker 1: be honest with you about games dating back way beyond them.
18:30
Speaker 1: How about just a final thought, Drew, You've covered that
18:32
Speaker 1: team for a long time, and I would imagine there
18:34
Speaker 1: was probably no one more fun to cover than J. J.
18:37
Speaker 1: Watty announced his retirement yesterday. Can you just give us
18:39
Speaker 1: a little soliloquy on what what met to the Texans
18:42
Speaker 1: and and anything you want to share about him? Greatest
18:46
Speaker 1: player in franchise history. Uh, his play has the greatest
18:50
Speaker 1: play in franchise history with that pick six in a
18:53
Speaker 1: missile at his face from point blank range, Andy Dalton,
18:56
Speaker 1: he catches it, rumbles into the end zone, and it
18:59
Speaker 1: was an absolute party the rest of the way through
19:02
Speaker 1: that game. And then he said, you know, I did.
19:05
Speaker 1: I've done some you know, events with him off the
19:08
Speaker 1: clock and where he's spoken to folks and he kind
19:10
Speaker 1: of takes any question, and he said his best game
19:14
Speaker 1: was the next week when the Texans actually lost in
19:16
Speaker 1: the playoffs to the Ravens. And he had multiple sacks,
19:19
Speaker 1: multiple tackles for loss. This was a you know, a
19:21
Speaker 1: knockdown drag out. But he really set the tone. I
19:25
Speaker 1: met him at the airport the morning after he was drafted,
19:27
Speaker 1: and he set the tone for what he was gonna
19:30
Speaker 1: do because we're following him, got him miked up where
19:34
Speaker 1: in the limo he gets out, he comes up to
19:36
Speaker 1: the offices, he meets Wade Phillips and the defensive line
19:39
Speaker 1: coach and the rest of the defensive staff. And after
19:41
Speaker 1: they exchange pleasantries, Wades like, well, you want to go
19:44
Speaker 1: downstairs and get some food, and he's like, no, I know,
19:48
Speaker 1: my time is limited. Because this is in the middle
19:50
Speaker 1: of the lockout. They had that one day where everybody
19:52
Speaker 1: was in the building and then they were locked out
19:53
Speaker 1: and they didn't know when they were coming back. He said, no,
19:55
Speaker 1: I I know, my time is limited. Can we just
19:57
Speaker 1: go in the play look and see what I need
20:00
Speaker 1: to start working on? And they were kind of like okay,
20:02
Speaker 1: and they went into the defensive meeting room. They got
20:05
Speaker 1: some sandwiches up there. Anyway, he got fed. But it
20:08
Speaker 1: really set that tone because you knew this guy was different,
20:12
Speaker 1: and boy, howdy was he different. I mean, who knows
20:14
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do next. I imagine there's gonna be
20:16
Speaker 1: some Hollywood and mm he's hosted Saturday Night Live. So
20:20
Speaker 1: he was just a terrific, terrific performer on and off
20:24
Speaker 1: the field, and um, you know, salute to a phenomenal career.
20:28
Speaker 1: And I imagine the Texans will waste no time and
20:30
Speaker 1: put him in the Ring of Honor and get him going.
20:33
Speaker 1: You would think, so, yeah, there's there's not been any
20:35
Speaker 1: uh not been anything said yet, but yeah, he I
20:38
Speaker 1: would I would imagine he goes in next season. You know,
20:40
Speaker 1: I don't think there's gonna be any hesitation on our part.
20:42
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20:46
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Speaker 1: Come on, this is the easiest one. Oh, rest stars
21:42
Speaker 1: play start. Um. You know it's generally speaking, I'm for
21:52
Speaker 1: arresting when you can, because I'm not a big believer
21:56
Speaker 1: in the you know, people like to say, well, if
22:00
Speaker 1: you rest them, then all of a sudden, you're talking
22:02
Speaker 1: about let down the next week. And my theory on
22:06
Speaker 1: that is the quote letdowns they happened in the postseason.
22:10
Speaker 1: When you're playing good teams, you're more apt to have
22:15
Speaker 1: a letdown because the other team is good too. Uh.
22:18
Speaker 1: Teams have good games and bad games. Uh. There was
22:21
Speaker 1: always debate when I was covering the Colts because they
22:23
Speaker 1: would you know, most years, they would have stuff clinched
22:27
Speaker 1: by the end of the season and they would pull
22:29
Speaker 1: their starters to get them rest for the playoffs. And
22:31
Speaker 1: they lost some playoff games, but they were also playing
22:34
Speaker 1: much better teams than they usually did during the regular season,
22:37
Speaker 1: so sometimes they lost. Uh, this week, I don't think
22:41
Speaker 1: you rest stars this week if you're the Jags, because
22:46
Speaker 1: there are wild card possibilities out there. Most likely, Uh,
22:53
Speaker 1: it would depend on end of game. But by the
22:56
Speaker 1: time you're done playing the game, you know all that
22:58
Speaker 1: it's gonna be alive. But mostly because if you win Sunday,
23:04
Speaker 1: then you set yourself up to not only get in
23:07
Speaker 1: as a a f C South champion by beating Tennessee,
23:11
Speaker 1: but by tying Tennessee. Do you do's the Tennessee Cowboys
23:14
Speaker 1: game tomorrow? I'd have any bearing at all on your decision.
23:19
Speaker 1: What what the Titans doing it? I meaning of the
23:21
Speaker 1: Titans are beaten? No real incentive there. Well, does that
23:25
Speaker 1: impact you at all? The only thing you might play
23:28
Speaker 1: into it is if the Titans rest all their guys,
23:32
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, they've got two weeks rest
23:34
Speaker 1: coming in. But I don't think you can worry about
23:36
Speaker 1: that they're playing. They're playing so many backups right now anyway,
23:39
Speaker 1: it's not like they can rest them. Yeah. Uh, Mathematically,
23:42
Speaker 1: from what I can tell and from what I've read
23:45
Speaker 1: that game doesn't matter in terms of the a f
23:47
Speaker 1: C South, it doesn't have anything anything to do with it.
23:50
Speaker 1: But um, and it may be one thing with a tie.
23:54
Speaker 1: But my understanding is it's the tie part that's intriguing
23:59
Speaker 1: to me, because meaning, if you win this week against
24:03
Speaker 1: the Texans, then tying Tennessee it can get you in
24:07
Speaker 1: as well. That may not seem like a big deal
24:09
Speaker 1: because games aren't using d in ties, but if that
24:13
Speaker 1: game is close and you're in overtime and and all
24:16
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know you can get in by
24:19
Speaker 1: playing for a tie that's not that extreme. Possibly games
24:23
Speaker 1: going overtime, and if that can help your strategy somehow,
24:27
Speaker 1: by by killing o'clock nine having to take a chance. Um,
24:32
Speaker 1: I my sense is the Doug he the first time
24:37
Speaker 1: he asked about this, he mentioned getting nine wins. I
24:41
Speaker 1: think there's such a momentum here that that's gonna trump
24:44
Speaker 1: everything else. And my sense is also if there's one
24:48
Speaker 1: guy or two that's really beat up, uh, then you
24:52
Speaker 1: might pull one guy maybe maybe sheriff who's been who's
24:55
Speaker 1: really been dealing with stuff, somebody like that. Maybe I
24:57
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna have a baseball hat game. I
25:00
Speaker 1: can't really add a lot to it other than this,
25:02
Speaker 1: if you happen to have a lead in the third quarter, well,
25:05
Speaker 1: let's see literally old college game, right, let's see see
25:07
Speaker 1: j Beeth Throd in the game. Let's give Trevor out,
25:09
Speaker 1: you know. But again, in the NFL, you can only
25:11
Speaker 1: send so many guys because on an active roster of
25:14
Speaker 1: forty five teams come back. Absolutely do. Yeah, but only
25:18
Speaker 1: if you find yourself in that situation. Okay, here's mine,
25:21
Speaker 1: and this is Doug Peterson or Trevor Lawrence, who right
25:25
Speaker 1: now is more difficult to plan for. And I say
25:27
Speaker 1: this because I really I've always enjoyed watching Kyle Shanahan
25:31
Speaker 1: and the way he sets up offense, isn't his father
25:33
Speaker 1: Mike before that? And to watch Doug Peterson right now
25:36
Speaker 1: is to watch a master. And of course Trevor Lawrence
25:39
Speaker 1: is playing at such a high level. Scratching your head, going,
25:42
Speaker 1: who's more difficult for me to plan for? If I'm
25:43
Speaker 1: the head coach, the quarterback or the other head coach. Yeah,
25:46
Speaker 1: it's it's it's tough because it's so intertwined. I mean, it's, uh,
25:51
Speaker 1: it's not as hard to know if you're planning for
25:52
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence or Doug Peterson sort of one and the same.
25:55
Speaker 1: I think the I think the bigger point is they're
25:57
Speaker 1: really hard to game plan for right now, and he is.
26:00
Speaker 1: You know, for seven weeks I'm getting questions about what
26:04
Speaker 1: I thought they were going to use the tight end?
26:05
Speaker 1: Why aren't they using the tight end? Moore and Doug
26:07
Speaker 1: kept saying it's not about a single position, and you
26:12
Speaker 1: could almost hear him saying, we'll get to it. It's there,
26:15
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. And sure enough, the tight ends a
26:18
Speaker 1: huge part of the offense. And I thought early in
26:20
Speaker 1: the in the first half against New York, um, I
26:24
Speaker 1: texted a friend of mine, said, he he is game planning. Man.
26:27
Speaker 1: See you know what out of this game U not
26:32
Speaker 1: a knock on solid. But I thought you saw Doug
26:34
Speaker 1: Peterson's experience four days rest. He knew exactly what to
26:37
Speaker 1: go forward to, exactly what to go after. Um. He
26:41
Speaker 1: really coach the little drag route with Evan Ingram with
26:43
Speaker 1: a quick read. I mean, I'm enjoying watching him set
26:46
Speaker 1: the tone for the game, the game within the game.
26:48
Speaker 1: Right to watch the way that Doug is playing the chessboard.
26:51
Speaker 1: And by the way, talking to guys in the locker
26:53
Speaker 1: room this week, Uh, they all know it. They all
26:55
Speaker 1: know what advantage they have with this coach. And Jamal
26:58
Speaker 1: Agnew said to me on Mond Day he can't wait
27:01
Speaker 1: to get in here on Wednesdays and get his look
27:03
Speaker 1: at the playbook and the game plan to understand what
27:06
Speaker 1: Doug has got planned for that week's opponent. I'm always
27:09
Speaker 1: a big believer Brian that, uh, for the most part,
27:13
Speaker 1: it's players, not plays, um And that most coaches, many
27:17
Speaker 1: many coaches sort of all are in the in a
27:21
Speaker 1: big group. That's intertime intertwined also, right, But well, and
27:25
Speaker 1: we're all in a big group, you know. But as
27:27
Speaker 1: in anything in life, the top two or three and
27:30
Speaker 1: the and the bottom two or three. Sometimes the bottom
27:34
Speaker 1: two here are really bad. Sometimes the top two or
27:35
Speaker 1: three are really good. Doug Peterson might be one of
27:38
Speaker 1: those top two or three in terms of play calling.
27:39
Speaker 1: That makes a big difference. All right, when we come back,
27:42
Speaker 1: we'll wrap up Wednesday shotal preview of Thursday action as
27:46
Speaker 1: we approach a very pivotal game for the Jaguars. Okay,
27:49
Speaker 1: I get it, it's not as pivotal as winning the division,
27:52
Speaker 1: but in terms of momentum and playing well and breaking
27:54
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Speaker 1: a pivotal game and it isn't really in the pure
29:02
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29:04
Speaker 1: how it's not going to decide that much. But it
29:07
Speaker 1: feels pivotal John because this franchise has not beaten that franchise,
29:11
Speaker 1: because when they've had opportunities before to stake a claim
29:14
Speaker 1: to something like the division, they haven't quite got it done. Yeah,
29:17
Speaker 1: and and uh again, Doug will talk to him thirty
29:20
Speaker 1: and I'm sure he'll get in a little bit of
29:23
Speaker 1: his thoughts on how to approach this game, but I'd
29:27
Speaker 1: be surprised if he approaches it much different with a
29:32
Speaker 1: with a more veteran team than maybe you say, Okay,
29:35
Speaker 1: we're gonna pull back and know they can get it
29:37
Speaker 1: going again. But this team, you know, it seem hasn't
29:40
Speaker 1: won that long. You know, like up until a month ago,
29:46
Speaker 1: we were talking about this team as a struggling team.
29:48
Speaker 1: Couldn't figure out. Uh, momentum is often the next day
29:52
Speaker 1: starting pitcher of the old thing. But I think with
29:54
Speaker 1: this team there is the momentum. And Uh, there's a
29:59
Speaker 1: little bit of a a feeling amongst some emailers to
30:02
Speaker 1: me of well, I've gotten many emails. A matter of fact,
30:06
Speaker 1: what we got this Tennessee is not playing well, we're
30:07
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and yeah, that's not well no, because
30:13
Speaker 1: that game, if it's for everything, is gonna be tough.
30:18
Speaker 1: I mean, that team knows how to play, they have
30:20
Speaker 1: veteran players, and I think Dick Peterson is thinking that way,
30:22
Speaker 1: and I don't think he wants any of that to
30:25
Speaker 1: seep in. So I think the pedal will stay down
30:28
Speaker 1: all right, And that'll do it for our show tomorrow.
30:30
Speaker 1: We'll be back with a Thursday edition. We'll have big things,
30:33
Speaker 1: we'll have around the locker room. We'll have you Willie,
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