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Dr Bob McClure Tackles Some Tough Issues · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: How you doing. I'm good. How are you coming in
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  Speaker 1: on two wheels?
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  Speaker 2: Coming in hot?
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  Speaker 1: Swear it to goodness?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know that's see. I am so insulated
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  Speaker 2: from the wars of traffic because when I'm driving, you
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  Speaker 2: can count the number of cars I encounter on one hand,
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  Speaker 2: and then when I'm done, I'm going the other way.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How you been, Bob McClure with me. Doctor McClure is
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  Speaker 2: the president of the James Madison Institute. I'm doing fantastic, sir.
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  Speaker 2: How are you. I'm doing well. Merry Christmas early, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and we say that around here, of course we do.
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  Speaker 2: Let me get your reaction. This is off the script.
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  Speaker 2: I told you a couple of things I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: talk excuse me, talk about your reaction to what happened
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  Speaker 2: in Miami last night. They elected a Democrat as mayor
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  Speaker 2: for the first time in thirty years.
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  Speaker 1: I was surprised, full disclosure. I know Emilio, the Republican nominee. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what happened? Negativity wind?
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  Speaker 2: Did the voters that are happy with Donald Trump stay home?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think that has been a big part
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  Speaker 1: of it. I don't know enough yet to know what
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  Speaker 1: happened last night, what was the final number. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to remember how close.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know how close it was. I just know
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  Speaker 2: that it's the first time in three decades and I've
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  Speaker 2: now this is me. I look at it within the
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  Speaker 2: context of Florida, and I say, this is a wake
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  Speaker 2: up call for Republicans. Am I overreacting?
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  Speaker 1: No, you're not at all. I do think there's a
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  Speaker 1: couple of things that happen. I think people who are
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  Speaker 1: pleased or people who are happy tend to not vote
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  Speaker 1: as much. Okay, you live it every day. I live
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  Speaker 1: it every day. Oh yeah, any of your listeners listen, uh,
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  Speaker 1: live it every day. So we're we're like anomalies, like
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  Speaker 1: we're not. Most of the population, most of the country
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really care, pay a lot of attention to politics
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  Speaker 1: now reading the headlines right right right now. They have
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  Speaker 1: very definite views, but they don't live it every day,
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes they just don't show up. And when your
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  Speaker 1: guy or gal is winning, Governor DeSantis or Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 1: you have a tendency not to show up. It's when
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  Speaker 1: you're angry, it's when you're put out, it's when you
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  Speaker 1: were feel wronged. When you see perceived bad decisions by
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  Speaker 1: corrupt politicians who are in power, that's when you have
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  Speaker 1: a tendency to vote. I don't have enough data yet
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  Speaker 1: to know what happened last night, but I am surprised.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a county. Well, it's not the county,
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  Speaker 1: it's a city. Never mind, I was gonna say it's
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  Speaker 1: a county. But the mayor there, France, you know, has
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  Speaker 1: been Republican, you know, for a long long time and
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  Speaker 1: perceived as very popular, even ran for president for a
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  Speaker 1: brief minute, Francis Suarez. I was very surprised. Uh, And
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  Speaker 1: I'll just have to get more data to find out.
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  Speaker 1: But to your point, Preston, you're right. The Republican Party
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  Speaker 1: in the state of Florida, even though it has been
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  Speaker 1: in charge for thirty years. Let's say, since Jeb, they
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  Speaker 1: need to take this seriously. Every day they must earn it.
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  Speaker 1: It's that Nick Saban idea of the process. You right,
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  Speaker 1: focus on the process every day. Otherwise there are a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things that could happen because people are angry,
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  Speaker 1: whether you agree with them or not.
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  Speaker 2: Dr Bob McClure and I chatting it up in the
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  Speaker 2: break and I threw them a curveball here because you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'd shared some things I wanted to talk about. But
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  Speaker 2: really all of that on the list, for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't matter, doctor McClure, if we don't have the position
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  Speaker 2: and the authority to do it. And so the next
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  Speaker 2: set of elections are everything to the agenda. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: your thoughts, you know, I wrapped up by saying what
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  Speaker 2: I've been saying for literally every year since I started
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  Speaker 2: this show. The Republican Party does not know how to message.
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  Speaker 1: They don't And to be clear, the James Madison Institute
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  Speaker 1: just you know, is a nonpartisan organization, but we believe
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  Speaker 1: in movement conservatism, which is free markets, limited government, free enterprise,
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  Speaker 1: personal responsibility right and to the extent that those principles
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  Speaker 1: do or don't reside in the Republican Party. And the
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  Speaker 1: fact that the Republican Party runs everything in Florida, there
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  Speaker 1: is this kind of notion that we're we're Republicans. Republicans
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  Speaker 1: act poorly just as much as Democrats, absolutely, both at
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  Speaker 1: the state and the national level. So I needed to
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  Speaker 1: get that out there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you remove dn R from the entire equation
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  Speaker 2: of our discussion, it still boils down to those principles
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  Speaker 2: and ideals being messaged so people understand them. We were
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  Speaker 2: just talking about the fact that Netflix nearly half the
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  Speaker 2: programming that Netflix throlls out has LGBTQ for children, for children,
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  Speaker 2: the children's programming, they start messaging young. And the messaging
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  Speaker 2: part of the equation for the conservative argument is just
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  Speaker 2: is just flat out missing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and healthcare is a perfect example. So Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: gave the Congress, who is a do nothing congress. They
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  Speaker 1: passed the one big beautiful bill, which is incredibly important,
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  Speaker 1: and then they act like there's nothing else to do.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much more to do on healthcare, more on taxes,
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  Speaker 1: how about a budget, a budget, novel, idea past judges.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's so much more to do, and you
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  Speaker 1: can't rest on your laurels. You know, like they passed
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  Speaker 1: the one big beautiful bill, but there's so much more
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  Speaker 1: to do. So there's it's really a do nothing congress.
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  Speaker 1: But Donald Trump, to your point about messaging, gave the
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  Speaker 1: Republican Party a perfect example. Why don't we give them money?
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  Speaker 1: He said, those healthcare dollars straight to the individual. Why
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  Speaker 1: are we going to a health insurance company? Or through
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  Speaker 1: the federal government via Obamacare. Why don't we just give
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  Speaker 1: the money straight to your listeners, straight to them.
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  Speaker 2: US Senator Rick Scott was on the show yesterday. That's
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  Speaker 2: exactly what he was talking about.
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  Speaker 1: It's a brilliant idea and it's simple. You know what
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  Speaker 1: it is. It's a health savings account. It's basically you,
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  Speaker 1: if through your employer okay, or if you own your
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  Speaker 1: own business, you fund your health care instead of giving
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  Speaker 1: money straight to the insurance company, fund your a health
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  Speaker 1: a health savings account. And it works like car insurance.
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  Speaker 1: There is a a you know, deductible. Did you pick
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  Speaker 1: anything over the deductible that the health insurance company pays for?
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  Speaker 1: That's the way it works. And if you are unemployed
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  Speaker 1: or stuck in the safety net and you can't do it,
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  Speaker 1: guess what the federal government will fund that account for you.
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  Speaker 1: You can't run to Vegas with the money, you can't
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  Speaker 1: touch it for anything else. But why are we going
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  Speaker 1: online to pick this Obamacare program and get these subsidies.
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  Speaker 1: Give the money straight to the list to your listeners,
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  Speaker 1: and then guess what they can pick and choose who
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  Speaker 1: and how they will be treated. Costs will come down
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  Speaker 1: and care will go up.
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  Speaker 2: Then the regulatory environment is set by the states and
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  Speaker 2: the federal government to say, Okay, we're going to get
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  Speaker 2: some competition.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna get a free market involment. Right, and it's
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  Speaker 1: in the power of the individual. Right now, the individual
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  Speaker 1: has no power. They are at the mercy of the
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  Speaker 1: federal government and the medical bureaucracy.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine going to restaurants every day, friends, without prices on
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  Speaker 2: the menu, right, that's what we do in our healthcare system.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, WFLR on your phone with the iHeart radio app
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  Speaker 1: and on hundreds of devices like Alexa, Google Home, Xbox
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  Speaker 1: and Sonos and Ihearts radio station.
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  Speaker 2: Oh the time, just fleeked fleeting, No flees by it
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  Speaker 2: too fast. I can't say it.
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  Speaker 1: It's all right.
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  Speaker 2: I just talked for a living sound like an idiot,
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  Speaker 2: just every other time, Doctor Bob McClure with me from
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  Speaker 2: the James Madison Institute. The governor came out with an
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  Speaker 2: AI proposal. Just a snapshot reaction from that. What do
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  Speaker 2: you think.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Governor's on the right track with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things. The devil's going to be in the
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  Speaker 1: details of what the legislature does look, your listeners know
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  Speaker 1: this AI is affecting every aspect of our entire lives. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we have the opportunity for it to affect us in
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  Speaker 1: a positive way. There are you know, there are a
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  Speaker 1: couple of things related to AI that I think your
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  Speaker 1: listeners need to understand from a ten thousand foot level,
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  Speaker 1: because we don't have a lot of time. In my
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion at JMI, I understand what the govern
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  Speaker 1: where the governor's coming from. He believes that the State
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  Speaker 1: of Florida can do a better job of regulating and
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  Speaker 1: having AI used properly in our lives in the FEDS
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  Speaker 1: can right, because look at the Fed's track record. I
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  Speaker 1: agree with him, he's right. Having said that, I think
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  Speaker 1: there are a couple of things we need to just
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  Speaker 1: think through. Just think through. One is I believe states
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  Speaker 1: should handle outputs of AI. That is to say, if
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  Speaker 1: they if there's fraud committed by an insurance company, that's
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  Speaker 1: a state issue. If if AI has been set up
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  Speaker 1: to be discriminatory in job applications because they're using AI
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  Speaker 1: for job applications, that is against the law. Different states
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  Speaker 1: can establish standards for outputs of a Okay, FRA how
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  Speaker 1: they choose. Right, California can do what they want, you know, Illinois, Florida,
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  Speaker 1: we can all do it. Having said that, though, Preston,
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  Speaker 1: we need a floor of standards at the federal level.
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  Speaker 1: Think of car safety standards or fuel economy standards. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: think of Amazon. Whether you're in California, Washington State, or Tallahassee, Florida.
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  Speaker 1: You go on Amazon, you order your vitamins or your
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  Speaker 1: your mirror or whatever. It works the same way in
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  Speaker 1: every single state. Right now, what's different the taxing component,
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  Speaker 1: sales taxes. That's an output at the state level. California
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  Speaker 1: drives up the cost of everything they do. Florida lowers
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  Speaker 1: the cost and makes it easier. But we need a
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  Speaker 1: floor at the federal level. Okay, we can't have fifty
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  Speaker 1: different forms of a I right. Well, it'll bleed state lines,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. So establish a federal floor, yeah, okay, and
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  Speaker 1: then govern outputs by state and it won't kill ingenuity.
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  Speaker 1: So for example, I'll give you one more example. There
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  Speaker 1: have been almost two thousand different bills filed across the
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  Speaker 1: country regarding AI. It's like fifteen hundred to two thousand. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: half of those are in four states California, Illinois, New
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  Speaker 1: York and maybe Jersey. I can't remember the four state
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  Speaker 1: because they want to strangle AI and innovation. There's so
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  Speaker 1: much good, whether it's diagnosing cancer or managing traffic patterns,
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  Speaker 1: or of making things more efficient and less expensive. But
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  Speaker 1: of course California, Illinois, New York want to strangle ingenuity.
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  Speaker 1: Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. To use
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  Speaker 1: a horrible cliche. States should handle outputs, but the FEDS
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  Speaker 1: should establish a floor, much like they do with car
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  Speaker 1: safety and car fuel stand Okay.
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  Speaker 2: As you look ahead, I mean, obviously this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be a component of the next legislative session. By
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  Speaker 2: by doing this, the governor has signaled this needs to
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  Speaker 2: be discussed.
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  Speaker 1: And he's right, he's right.
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  Speaker 2: What do you see as from the from the chair
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  Speaker 2: as president of the James Masson Institute, what are the
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  Speaker 2: big issues that the legislature needs to make sure are addressed?
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  Speaker 1: Property tax issue is going to be huge. The governor
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  Speaker 1: has made that his priority, and I think, but does
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  Speaker 1: that matter given he's a lame duck? Now oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it certainly matters, okay, and it matters for the Republican Party.
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  Speaker 1: And when it comes to elections next year. To your
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  Speaker 1: I think, I think it's a huge issue. What I'm
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  Speaker 1: curious about is because you'res as good at analyzing the
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  Speaker 1: waters politically of this state as anybody I know. Does
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  Speaker 1: it matter that it's Ron DeSantis's idea at this point?
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  Speaker 1: In other words, will that carry any weight or is
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  Speaker 1: it now on its own?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, I think it carries a tunnel weight. I think
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  Speaker 1: the governor is still incredibly powerful. He's running through the tape,
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  Speaker 1: he's not slowing down. He's not a lame duck. He's
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  Speaker 1: got a new idea. He's in a new part of
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  Speaker 1: the state every single day. Right, this is not Lawton
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  Speaker 1: Childs God rest his soul, turkey hunting in the back
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  Speaker 1: county of Jefferson County and nobody can find him. Right,
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  Speaker 1: this is not it. And Governor Chiles was a fine person.
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  Speaker 1: So Governor DeSantis is moving fast. It doesn't matter because
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  Speaker 1: if they get something monumental or significant done right, victory
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  Speaker 1: has many fathers. Failure is an orphan and everybody can
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  Speaker 1: claim credit right on this issue. And is the governor
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  Speaker 1: of the driver. Yes, So property taxes housing is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be another one, Okay, it's gonna be a huge issue.
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  Speaker 1: Housing is gonna be huge because the cost of housing
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  Speaker 1: is primarily what's driving it up as not the state
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  Speaker 1: or the feds. It's the local level. It's permitting, its
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  Speaker 1: weight times, it's pay go, it's you know, all of
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  Speaker 1: those things that are driving up the cost of a house.
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  Speaker 1: So housing, property taxes, education reform.
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  Speaker 2: Do they need to focus it in some way, shape
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  Speaker 2: or form or make sure a portion of it addresses
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  Speaker 2: entry level housing?
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  Speaker 1: No, they need to. If you if the way the
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  Speaker 1: market works, just build more housing. The inventory is low.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what politicians, particularly local politicians, don't understand. You
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  Speaker 1: don't have to build affordable housing, which is code for
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  Speaker 1: crappy housing nobody wants to live in and the builder
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  Speaker 1: loses money. Yeah, we don't need that. Just build more
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  Speaker 1: housing and then guess what, People move into those houses
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  Speaker 1: that they want there's more inventory, and then others move
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  Speaker 1: in to the other houses that have just been left behind.
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  Speaker 2: And because of availability prices then moderate.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, people think you have to build oh, we
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  Speaker 1: have to build cheap housing, affordable housing. No, you have
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  Speaker 1: to build build housing that is affordable. Those are affordable
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  Speaker 1: housing and building housing that is affordable. Are not the
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  Speaker 1: same things? Yeah, okay, So build housing that is affordable
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  Speaker 1: at any level, rich, middle income or lower income, and
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  Speaker 1: the market will shift and they will slide in and
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  Speaker 1: prices will come down because inventory is up. But it's
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  Speaker 1: the local governments too often that drive up the cost
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  Speaker 1: of housing through all of the regulations and the taxes
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  Speaker 1: that they do.
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  Speaker 2: The next time you and I meet, we will be
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  Speaker 2: in the legislative session. It'll be fun.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe it, man, it's right around the corner.
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  Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, Happy New Year.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you my friend. Merry Christmas to you as well.