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Ghost of the Gold Dredge · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Speaker 1: A paranormal investigator did catch an EVP that whispered go,
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  Speaker 1: but like to where I don't know, So I'm like
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  Speaker 1: he said go. I don't know if maybe he was
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  Speaker 1: telling him to leave or like saying go, like start
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  Speaker 1: this thing up.
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  Speaker 2: Let's dig for some gold.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I feel like we need just like a teensy
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  Speaker 3: bit of clarification.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or maybe he was trying to say gold and
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  Speaker 1: he just didn't have the energy to get the last
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  Speaker 1: two letters out.
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  Speaker 2: Oh shit, he was a goal duh. Yeah, we don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Hi Caitlin, Hi Cassie, Hi creepy people.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 1: This is PNW not p pingn W, pn W Hans
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  Speaker 1: And then we also do a tarot reading at the
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  Speaker 1: end of every episode for some deeper insight into our
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  Speaker 1: topic that we do. All right, well, are you ready
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  Speaker 1: to just get into it into some shit?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: I am, because it's coming from me. So what could
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  Speaker 1: it be?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to Sumter, Oregon. Have you heard of it?
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  Speaker 2: I've heard of it. Oh well, that's kind of surprising.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. Probably anybody from Sumter is like, really.
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  Speaker 1: What, I've only heard of it because we used to
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  Speaker 1: go visit, like my grandparents in Union, which is another
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  Speaker 1: very small eastern Oregon town.
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  Speaker 2: Are they close to each other?
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  Speaker 1: They're semi like an hour ish away or so by,
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  Speaker 1: like LaGrande and.
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  Speaker 2: What is it like, Baker City is over there? I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, a bunch of other made up places, a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of Easterners.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, it's about three hundred and thirty three miles
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  Speaker 1: east of Portland, Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: Which I liked that it was three thirty three.
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  Speaker 3: Three thirty three.
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  Speaker 2: I was holding back. Why don't hold back. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's a magical number. Yeah, it's true.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what's at six hundred and sixty six miles?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it depends directionally. That would be interesting, curious.
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  Speaker 3: We'll figure it out. Two hundred and sixty six miles
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  Speaker 3: to the east of Portland.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I'm on it.
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  Speaker 1: Figure it out. Put the creepy people on it. They
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  Speaker 1: can get back to us.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. Perfect.
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  Speaker 1: So Sumter was one of the first gold mining towns
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  Speaker 1: in the PNW and there might be some dogs pissing
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  Speaker 1: me off in the background. I'll try to not talk
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  Speaker 1: while they're being crazy, but if you hear something, apologies,
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  Speaker 1: what was I saying?
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  Speaker 2: I was one of the first mining towns.
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  Speaker 3: In the Yeah, so I was gonna say gold Rush.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, gold Rush days.
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  Speaker 1: Gold was discovered there in eighteen sixty two, which I
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  Speaker 1: don't know like the dates around gold Rush.
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  Speaker 3: The eighteen hundreds broadly.
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  Speaker 2: I assume it was like the sameish time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but by the early nineteen hundreds they pretty much
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  Speaker 1: cleared it out, which I think was kind of typical
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  Speaker 1: of gold mining. They kind of went in and dug
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  Speaker 1: everything they could out and left. Yeah, but there were
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  Speaker 1: still gold flakes in the nearby Powder River.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it makes sense though, because what would happen
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  Speaker 3: is it's not that it's not so much that they
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  Speaker 3: wiped out all of the gold. It's really just that
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  Speaker 3: it would get it down to where it wasn't so
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  Speaker 3: easily accessible. You weren't just like you know, making a
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  Speaker 3: crazy you know, money hand over fist by man and.
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  Speaker 1: Man in which I have a funny story at the
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  Speaker 1: very end. It's actually hilarious about miners I love it,
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  Speaker 1: but something to look.
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  Speaker 2: Forward to, excellent. So there wasn't really.
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  Speaker 1: A great way for them to mine the gold flakes
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  Speaker 1: out of the river. So in nineteen twelve they built
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  Speaker 1: a dredge, and then two more in nineteen fifteen and
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  Speaker 1: nineteen thirty five. Oh wow, So they say it's basically
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  Speaker 1: like a ship on dry land, the dredges, dredges, dredges.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm saying like it reminds me of
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  Speaker 1: the Grudge. Yeah, bull, I can think of when I think.
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  Speaker 2: Of the dredge.
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  Speaker 1: The dredges were assembled on the Powder River, but they
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  Speaker 1: were able to travel through Sumter Valley to older, dried
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  Speaker 1: up parts of the river bud too. Oh, they weren't
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  Speaker 1: just like floating on the water. That makes sense, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: And okay, so these things were like huge. I was
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  Speaker 1: picturing when I first heard. I don't even know if
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  Speaker 1: i'd heard of a dredge before, Like I think maybe
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  Speaker 1: i'd heard of it, but I don't really know what
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  Speaker 1: it was, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I was
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  Speaker 1: picturing like like in construction of the bucket clothing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know, like that kind of size. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what is that called? I should know. My family's fucking
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  Speaker 2: like pavers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh they're gonna be like, why doesn't she know the
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  Speaker 1: names of equipment?
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  Speaker 2: But it's fine. Uh, like a loader or a back hoe.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, the thing that digs into the ground.
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  Speaker 2: It's got the big bucket, yeah, like a loader or
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  Speaker 2: a back hoe. Yeah, and it digs up earth.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like picturing that kind of size. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why it just but they're huge.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, given the time, I think you could be
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  Speaker 3: forgiven for thinking it might be something kind of on
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  Speaker 3: a smaller scale.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the dredges had seventy two buckets that.
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  Speaker 2: Weighed a ton each.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa so like kind of like the buckets on those
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  Speaker 1: things we were just talking about that they had seventy
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  Speaker 1: two of them that weigh a ton.
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  Speaker 2: Each, which is a ton.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and I was like, it's a literal ton, Like
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  Speaker 1: I'm not just saying ye oh wait a ton, Like
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  Speaker 1: wait a little much. So the buckets would cut channels
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  Speaker 1: into the old river bed that water could then flow
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  Speaker 1: through from like the current river or like the water
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  Speaker 1: underneath the earth. Yeah, and then it would kind of
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  Speaker 1: keep the dredge afloat and keep it moving crazy. Go
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  Speaker 1: to the website I sent you in the chat so
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  Speaker 1: you can like see it, see the size of it
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  Speaker 1: and everything.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, you know what this reminds me of. Chris
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  Speaker 3: will be so proud when he hears this. It kind
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  Speaker 3: of reminds me of the ride at Disneyland.
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  Speaker 2: It's like Mark Twain's faery. Oh it does look like
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  Speaker 2: a fairy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, most fairies do not have like it. What
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  Speaker 3: kind of in these black and white photos looks like
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  Speaker 3: almost a chainsaw on their fronts?
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  Speaker 1: Say that, Like where the buckets are looks like a
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  Speaker 1: literal chainsaw that just is sawing through the.
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  Speaker 3: Earth in black and white photos, they really kind of
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  Speaker 3: do look like the teeth of a chainsaw, depending on
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  Speaker 3: the angle.
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  Speaker 2: Like they're wild looking.
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  Speaker 3: They are truly a little bit terrifying to behold.
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  Speaker 2: Like I kind of want to see it in action.
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  Speaker 1: There's one photo it's down a little ways, but you
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  Speaker 1: could see like a person standing by it, so you
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  Speaker 1: got kind of get.
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  Speaker 2: Like the like a sense of scale.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, scale, No, it honestly in this photo where there's
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  Speaker 3: the two guys kind of like leaning on and sitting
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  Speaker 3: on like the old timey truck. Like in front of it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you see that one. Yeah, Like it looks
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  Speaker 3: like it's like almost the scale of like a three
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  Speaker 3: story house or something.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and they're a little closer to the camera so
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  Speaker 1: they look at figure exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does give you a little bit better of
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  Speaker 3: like a sort of sense of the scale, like you
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  Speaker 3: were saying.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, did you see the one. It's it's like
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  Speaker 1: two up from that one. There is like a little
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  Speaker 1: person down on the right hand corner.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I think this is the one you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy. It does like that one is.
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  Speaker 1: It looks so ominous, you know, it's hard to like
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  Speaker 1: find the person in that photo.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I really like the one of it's
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  Speaker 3: like down below a couple. It's like a modern day photo.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly they've like restored it. The one the picture that's
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  Speaker 3: taken in twenty sixteen, Like that photo is already ten
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  Speaker 3: years old.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll talk about the restoration.
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  Speaker 2: In a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: So the dirt that was dug up would go inside
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  Speaker 1: the dredge and it would sift out the gold flakes mechanically.
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  Speaker 1: The leftovers or tailings got dumped behind the dredge. The
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  Speaker 1: dredge could go through two hundred and eighty thousand cubic
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  Speaker 1: yards per month. I think I have another little like
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  Speaker 1: how much they traveled in a little bit. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure exactly how much that is.
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  Speaker 3: That's like, it's just not in terms that we usually
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  Speaker 3: think of likes traveled yards. I'm not really sure, but
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  Speaker 3: it just doesn't translate in my brain.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. You guys can picture it. That's what the
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  Speaker 2: that's the information. That's that.
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  Speaker 1: The tailings are still there to this day, and the
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  Speaker 1: piles are over ten feet tall and you can see
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  Speaker 1: them from satellite imagery. So if you go back to
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  Speaker 1: that picture.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what the pilings look like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all the places like it dug up and
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  Speaker 1: spat out dirt and just left it there.
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  Speaker 2: So it kind of looks like a maze.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like a labyrinth. They should just turn
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  Speaker 3: it into a labyrinth. Like the bones are already there,
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  Speaker 3: let's do this bone.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that would be fun, like a haunted Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think you can hike through there.
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  Speaker 2: I think I say it later.
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  Speaker 1: The three Gold dredges operated seven days a week, twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hours a day for three hundred and sixty three
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  Speaker 1: days a year. So like, I wonder what the days
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  Speaker 1: they took off Christmas obviously, I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean that's what I want to know. Thangiving are those
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  Speaker 3: are the burning questions that I have?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Or New Year's Day is a New Year's say? Thanksgiving?
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  Speaker 2: You guys? What do you think? I don't know, Probably
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  Speaker 2: wasn't fourth of July. Oh look I themed it. Ah,
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  Speaker 2: there you go. Gosh, I wonder if there's a way
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  Speaker 2: to find out. I don't know. I feel like that
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  Speaker 2: would take a little too much digging.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know where you would find that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you could go ask a historian maybe. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it had a three man crew swapping out every
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  Speaker 1: twenty four hours. So these poor three men had to
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  Speaker 1: work twenty four hours straight.
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  Speaker 2: That's a literal nightmare.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like being an er doctor or like working
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  Speaker 3: on like one of commercial fishing boats.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess it's kind of like that like
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  Speaker 1: boat like exhausting the three dredges, only the three dredges. Ooh,
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  Speaker 1: that's not like something tidally.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it honestly sounds so ominous, like I'm I'm just
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  Speaker 3: going to keep saying that the.
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  Speaker 1: Three drudges only traveled a combined eight miles. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was a little over eight miles, So like that
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  Speaker 1: makes me think it's very slow, Like they couldn't cover
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  Speaker 1: eight miles isn't a lot?
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  Speaker 3: It would definitely be like a slow moving vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: I think from nineteen twelve to nineteen fifty four.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean realistically, like you're not looking for speed, right,
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  Speaker 3: because they're performing a task like as they go, it
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  Speaker 3: makes sense that it's like they're not looking to travel
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  Speaker 3: a great distance.
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  Speaker 2: They're looking. Yeah, they're crawling.
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  Speaker 1: Excavate, yes, yeah, but that makes more sense to me
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  Speaker 1: than the cubic yards per.
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  Speaker 2: Month does yet.
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  Speaker 1: But they dug up ten to twelve million dollars in
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  Speaker 1: gold until they shut down in nineteen fifty four. They
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  Speaker 1: stop due to environmental concerns and operating costs becoming too high,
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  Speaker 1: and even making that much, the company was in debt
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  Speaker 1: at the end.
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  Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Hey, Cassie, what I haven't done a deep
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  Speaker 3: dive on, like fact checking this, but I googled it.
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  Speaker 3: The Sumter Valley Gold Dredge operated continuously twenty four hours
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  Speaker 3: a day, but routinely shut down operations for two days
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  Speaker 3: each year Christmas Day, yeah, and.
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  Speaker 4: Fourth of July. Is it really fourth of July? That
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  Speaker 4: is so funny? Ah, it was meant to be the theme.
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  Speaker 4: It's fourth of July week.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, you did a thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad we like because I didn't really think about
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  Speaker 1: asking that question until I was reading it to you.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm glad you looked honestly, that's really cool. So
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  Speaker 1: I have another more fun facts for you.
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  Speaker 2: Excellent.
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  Speaker 1: So at the time, gold was thirty five dollars per ounce, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and then when I looked it up today, even it's
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  Speaker 1: wrong in the article I was reading. So today it
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  Speaker 1: says it's over four thousand dollars per ounce. Oh shit,
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  Speaker 1: in the article said like seventeen hundred, and it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: from that long ago. So I don't know what's going
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  Speaker 1: on with gold right now. But apparently if you have
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  Speaker 1: someone you should probably sell it.
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  Speaker 3: Or I don't know, I don't know, like maybe the
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  Speaker 3: markets are doing something crazy and actually.
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  Speaker 2: You should hold to sell high. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's it going to keep going up? Is it can
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  Speaker 1: go back down? I don't know what's up with gold.
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  Speaker 1: It fluctuates, and I don't understand.
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  Speaker 3: Listen as a party who owns only the gold inner
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  Speaker 3: jewelry box and very little at that. I'm very interested.
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  Speaker 3: I would be just tickled if somebody who listens actually
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  Speaker 3: has like a little bit more information or like know,
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  Speaker 3: how about, uh, what's going on in the gold market.
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  Speaker 2: I went on with gold, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on will gold?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Sure we could look into it and figure it out.
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  Speaker 3: But the reality is that we already looked into the
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  Speaker 3: you know, two days that they're shut down operationally, and
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  Speaker 3: we we got the answer we wanted there. So I just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the sad reality is we're just not gonna.
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  Speaker 2: We're not gonna.
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  Speaker 1: That's gonna take more research than that, I think than
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  Speaker 1: a quick goog.
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  Speaker 2: I do have a feeling about that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get back into the drayages. So the
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  Speaker 1: third and last dredge was built in nineteen thirty five,
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  Speaker 1: called Sumpter number three. They weren't very creative with the names.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't have like a nice ship name.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of a bummer. But Woman number three, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and she.
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  Speaker 1: Was actually made from parts of the first two dredges
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  Speaker 1: that had been disassembled, so they all three weren't running
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  Speaker 1: at the same time. This one itself dug up about
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  Speaker 1: four million in gold.
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  Speaker 2: Damn.
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  Speaker 1: It was abandoned to deteriorate until it was added to
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  Speaker 1: the National Register of Historic Places in nineteen seventy one.
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  Speaker 1: The dredge and surrounding lands were preserved, and Oregon State
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  Speaker 1: Parks opened the Sumter Valley Dredge State Heritage Area in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four. So it is still there today and
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  Speaker 1: you can go and visit it and tour it.
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  Speaker 2: It looks cute. I know I want to go. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think I want to know.
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  Speaker 1: I know I've been to Sumter, but I don't think
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  Speaker 1: we've been to the Gold Drudge. I don't know, Mom,
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  Speaker 1: did we go.
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  Speaker 2: I think you'd remember that with you although I was
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  Speaker 2: really young.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe not, because it just might have looked like
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  Speaker 3: a I don't know, like a weird dry lake bed may.
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  Speaker 2: What is this?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, but my mom would know. She'll
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  Speaker 1: tell me. She'll comment on the patreon as one of
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  Speaker 1: the largest and most successible gold drudges in the US.
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  Speaker 1: Visitors can take a guided tour of the dredge. Like
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  Speaker 1: I just said, you can hike through the tailings left behind,
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  Speaker 1: so you can hike through them, apparently, because that's what
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  Speaker 1: it was said. It's from my research. You can also
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  Speaker 1: take a gold panning lesson, which is so freaking cute.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because you know, this entire time that
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  Speaker 3: we've been talking about it, and you were saying like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they started doing the dredging, and I was
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  Speaker 3: thinking about it, and I was like, you know, it
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  Speaker 3: makes sense that all of these mining towns, once they
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  Speaker 3: kind of got what they could from like the more
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  Speaker 3: traditional type of mining, it makes sense that a lot
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  Speaker 3: of them were like kind of all but abandoned because
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  Speaker 3: the alternative, unless there was a dread, ultimately was like
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  Speaker 3: panning for gold, and obviously people did that. That's, you know,
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  Speaker 3: such an iconic part of the.
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  Speaker 2: Whole gold rush.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it doesn't seem like the most efficient.
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  Speaker 2: Endeavor. Yeah, but I want to pan for gold. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm down.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I think my dad does it in his little
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: creek by his house. Nah huh, yeah, just like for funzies.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever found any Oh, I don't know.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: He finds a bunch of rocks, though, like a bunch
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: of cool.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, there's a lot of there's a
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: lot of other cool stuff that you know, if you're
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: into that geological jazz.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: So we're talking about this today because I thought it
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: was such a unique place to be haunted.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Like who haunts a gold dread? It's so cool, it's
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: very cool.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I definitely think in any instance where there's like some
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: sort of like major scale like agricultural or industrial, you
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: know scale operations, like there's probably gonna be casualties just
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: based on the.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Time and the working conditions.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: And yes, yeah, I agree with you, but I'll let
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: you get into that.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I will.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: So, yes, this gold dredge has a ghost aboard, and
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: he even has a name, just one, just one. There's
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: just one ghost, okay as far as people know, or
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: they just combine them all and call him this one
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: name that they call him Joe Bush. And I'm not
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: sure if there's any relation to any other famous bushes, famous.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Bushes like the Burning Bush or.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, like George, George W Kate and then
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I was going to sing sing Kate Bush into the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: gold song be digging up that gold be dredging up
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that baby.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I actually love that. Thank you. I worked really hard
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: on that song.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Although there is no record of a Joe Bush anywhere
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: working on or around the town or something, I think
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: people have searched for him that they haven't been able
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: to find anything. The legend is that he was part
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: of the crew who died on board, and it seems
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: like it could be a pretty hazardous job. But there
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: were only two deaths recorded on all three dredges. WHOA
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: really yeah, I mean recorded.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what goes on unrecorded.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: We hope nothing but Disneyland also, yeah, drag them off
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: the property, right.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: They dredge them off the property.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: One wasn't even a work related incident, so I guess
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: someone just passed away of some other cause. Oh I'm
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: not really sure what it was. But the one that
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: happened that was work related happened on the first dredge,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: But the same equipment where the accident happened was used
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: in the third dredge, so it's possible it's holding on
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to some energy.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I'm inclined to say so I did.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say what happened to him, but he
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: got sucked into some gears.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, you have to imagine that's exactly what happened.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, I didn't want to like I don't know, No.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I mean it is, but it's like, you know, I
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: don't know, I totally get what you're saying, because it
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: is like sort of this like heinous thing that happened
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: to the person.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: But it's like at the same.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Time, it's like, well, I mean it's a dredge and
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: you know rough how it kind of operates. I don't know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: maybe you imagine what happened, and I don't know, there's
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: only so many possibilities, right, Like, I don't.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Know, you guys picture it.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: This man's name was not Joe Bush. But I was
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: kind of thinking, like no one really asked is going
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to like ask the spirit its name and get an answer, right,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: not typically unless you're like a psychic, then maybe you'll
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: get the name. But so I figured they just like
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: gave this ghost a name, so it might not there
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: obviously would be record of like a made up name,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's funny because when you said, you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: there's no record of him, I'm like, he's a literal ghost.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Like what if maybe they just misheard the ghost or
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: when they wrote it down they spelled it wrong. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: what if his legal name was like Josephs or Giuseppe
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: or jobin Bouche like Phoebe.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Buffet like oh yeah yeah, or Jobin jobin Bouchet, Totsma ghosts.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, but crew have been telling stories
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: of spooky events on the dredge since it was built
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: in the thirties. In this last third Dredge, I'm not
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: sure about previous dredges. I don't know if there were
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: any stories from that, but they blame Joe Bush for
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: things that went wrong on the dredge, like losing power
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: or missing tools or water randomly turning on.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, I know.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, is this just a oh something went
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: wrong it's the ghost or is the ghost actually doing it?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: There's no way to know. There's no way to know.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: But they also say that Joe may have caused mechanical
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: failures to save people. Oh like maybe someone was about
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to get hurt by some equipment, maybe some gears, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: then he like shut things down to avoid that.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so like a benevolent spirit.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which kind of does make me think like maybe
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: he was the one who passed away in the accident.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I'm like that lends credence to the idea that like
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: there was retained energy when they transferred the equipment from
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: one dredge to another. I'm just saying that's interesting. That's
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: my working theory for now.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I like it. I like the theory.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: A former crew even like to reminisce about him at
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the annual Dredge workers union held reunion held every June.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many of them are.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Left, Yeah, I mean I have to imagine not too many.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they still have it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: The dredge is shut down in like what you said,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: like the fifties or something fifty four.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know how old the article was.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I was reading that say they still that they have
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: the workers reunion, but hopefully they still do. Hopefully there's
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: still a couple of them. Because there was like a
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: local story about the ghost and they had some old
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: some former workers.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Quoted in the article, and they just it was cute.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: They were just talking about the ghosts, being a little
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: sassy about it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I liked it. Historical cuteness.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Visitors to the Dredge still report feeling cold spots, hearing
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: strange noises like footsteps grinding gears, which now kind of
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: seems a little ominous. Uh yeah, maybe I will leave
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that part in. I was just gonna cut it out,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: but maybe you should.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: That is so creepy. No, and that like that really
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: ties it together. Otherwise it's kind of like, okay, well
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: it's a dredge like that could seem like just kind
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: of an imagined you know what I mean.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like with the context.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: The full context, that makes it so much spookier.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, sorry for laughing.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: When I said that the man, the poor man was
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: sucked into the gears, it was very uncomfortable laughter. Yes,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: so these people hear the visitors today, that's what we're
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: What they hear.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: They hear doors slamming, even when things are locked up too.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Oh I don't like that.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: So just some like ghosty ramblings and rumblings around the Dredge,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: just shenanigans. Joe has also been blamed for stealing lunches,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if this was the workers lunches
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: or like nowadays, people's lunches either way, Joe, don't touch
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: my sandwich.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: I'm super not okay with that. If you mess with
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: my food, we.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Are not gonna be friends.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Keep away. We need a ghost proof lunch box. People
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: have felt like they're being watched, or felt a hand
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: on their shoulder, or heard a man's laugh, which that
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: could be some like residual too of just like workers
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: chilling and working and laughing and the laughter echoes throughout.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Time, all right, I mean I guess, or it could
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: be a straight up ghost. We don't know.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Could be that certainly could be.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: That laughing at you because he's took your lunch, or
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, it could be. It could be.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I'm like, is it uncomfortable laughter? Maybe, like like I mean,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: you said it, you were laughing uncomfortably talking about the
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: person that died, which I'm like, listen, anybody who listens, Like,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: if you don't know by now that a lot of
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: our laughter is just deeply uncomfortable, then I don't know
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: how to help you first of all.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, maybe he's uncomfortable laughing with us.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, could be, could be.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: In the infamous words of simply read, if you don't
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: know me by now, then you will never never never
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: know me.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Ooh, that's deep.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you will never never ever know me.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: A park ranger said he heard someone breathing behind him
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: in an otherwise empty room. No, oh, the control room
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: is the control room.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Another saw the lights flickering even though the power was off.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I really don't like situations like that, yeah, because it
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: makes me feel like there is no rhyme or reason
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: we control nothing in this universe, and I simply cannot
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: have that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, can we just not, like, don't mess with the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: lights because I Okay, I did something dumb last night.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm house sitting out in the woods and just
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: with like three dogs all by myself, and I decided
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to watch Scream seven because I hadn't seen it yet.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: And it's I was like, screams, aren't that scary?
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: They're like it's scream It's.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Like, I mean, it's like horror movie light right right.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I was like scared, really, Yeah, And I kept hearing stuff,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: like I'm sure it was like birds or some shit
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: on the roof, but I kept hearing things. And then
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: so he goes around in like houses and he'll like
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: turn off the lights and people are like why, or
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: he'll turn on the lights like really bright so you
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: can't see ill. I was scared. I love it was great,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: but I was like mistakes were made. I could have
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: watched this at a different time.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is a really good movie.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Though I was like, huh, these deaths are interesting, Like
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: who oh who came up with this? Because I'm entertained
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and horrified and grossed out, I could barely watch it.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: But I was like, man, this is like it's an
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: interesting this anyway.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Huh, good to know.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: That's my story about lights. But that's why I'm scared,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, it could be a murderer. So like,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: ghosts don't mess with the lights, so we can tell
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the difference and protect ourselves.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be just super helpful. Ghost face. It
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: all connects.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: So you're probably not gonna like this part either.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, great, great? I cannot wait.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: When the lights were flickering on and off, when that
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: park ranger saw the lights flickering on and off, there
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: was a thunderstorm, and so I'm like, well, was he
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: just being the thunder mabe or making the power go
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: on and off? But he said the breakers were off,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: so that's interesting. But then later he found a wet
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: footprint inside leading towards the exit. It was raining, I guess,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if the ghost like was out
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and the rain and came in, or maybe he's just
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: like constantly soggy because he worked in like a soggy environment.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I I no, no, no, thank.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: You, Joe Bush soggy Man. Joe was said to stand
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: on the viewing platform in the engine room. His apparition
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: has been seen in worn overalls, workers boots, and a
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: miner's cap, so that's kind of cool. Like I don't
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: know if people maybe are just seeing that because they
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: were told he was a miner.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Or I don't know.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, I do think there's something too like if
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: you have like maybe heard stories or if you like
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: kind of know too much about a potential haunting. Sometimes
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I'm like, is that kind of implanted?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: But then sometimes it's.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, I don't know though, It's like if a
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: bunch of people have kind of the same story, I
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: don't know that's true.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: We need our creepy people to go experience this and
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: then write right, because then we'll know for sure that
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: it happened. Yeah, because we trust you guys, and if
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: you hadn't heard, we do take emails of stories from anywhere,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be the p ANDW to PNW
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Haunts and Homicides at gmail dot com, and then we
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: read them in our Creepy People Chronicles episode talk about you,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: and do a little tarot reading for you. So no
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: one has really reported anything harmful or really scary coming
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: from Joe. I mean we kind of talked about it.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Nothing like a little creepy like with the lights and
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the footprint, but like nothing that feels malicious. Yeah, a
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: paranormal investigator did catch an EVP that whispered go, but
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: like to wear I don't know, So I'm like he
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: said go. I don't know if maybe he was telling
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: him to leave or like saying go, like start this
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: thing up, let's dig for some gold, right.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: I feel like we need just like a teensy bit
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: of clarification.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or maybe he was trying to say gold and
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: he just didn't have the energy to get the last
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: two letters out. Oh shit, he was a gol dum. Yeah,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: we don't know. Most people think he is more of
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: a protective spirit.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels fair so far.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: That's all for my ghosty stories, but I do have
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: a couple of little fun things for you. So Joe
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and the Dredge were the inspiration behind a a.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Y a thriller that young adult A young adult. Yeah.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: The Skeleton Creek series, Oh, which is kind of cool
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: because looking at like the trailings left behind, like it
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: looks like it could be like like rib bones or something.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Ooh it does, and you said it has good bones
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: for a labyrinth. It does.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, are the Skeleton Creek series by Patrick Carmon, And
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: he even went out on a tour of the Dredge
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: before writing the books, which like, I hope.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: You would do that, you know, Yeah, you gotta, you gotta.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: But that's cool, Like I kind of want to read
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: them even though they're like young adult.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I mean we've always said we're kind of juvenile, so
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: that's true.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I'll just wedget in between all my smut. It's fine.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: And then I found one of the articles said that
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: it was featured on season one, episode one of sci
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: fi series ghost Mine.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: And then when I looked it up, it was actually
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Crescent Mine in Sumter. Oh, but it was about and
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think I didn't watch whole thing, but I
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: don't think they talked about the.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Gold Dredge or anything. Oh so I kind of like.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Fast forward through it and I didn't see pictures or anything,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: but I watched like the first five or so minutes
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of it. So they were trying to reopen this mine
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: after a crew left due to ghostly activity. And the
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: head miner's name is Papa Smurf.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, stop it. That is hilarious.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know if that's true or if
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: it's just like for the show that the first crew
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: left for. But they said that it's a haunted mine, right,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: and their crew left, so they had they had paranormal
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: investigators come on with them with actual crew of real
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: miners or so that the show makes it seem.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Or so.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's real. It's a documentary style, you know,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: just whatever. Yeah, So it was really funny though, because
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: so the miners are kind of super sick. Just they
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: say about certain things like you can't whistle in a
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: mine or just like stuff like that.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of superstitions like on boats. In my mind, yeah,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: like all of those kind of like, I.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Wonder if there's any dredge specific superstitions. Ooh, we'll have
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: to go to the reunion and ask them. Maybe it's
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Joe Bush. He's the dredge superstition. You have to be
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: nice to him. But anyway, So one of the superstitions
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: that miners have is that like women or bad luck
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: in the mine.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, so what's.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Really interesting is the woman thing. That's also like a
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: maritime superstition.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like no women on boats. Yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I think there are just freaking bunch of men who
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: just were like, we don't want women in our space.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Are we so sure that it's actually like bad luck
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: or unlucky or is this just a boys club?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what's really interesting and this would apply,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: I'm sure to some degree, Like for this type of
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: machine or craft, is it is universally considered bad luck
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: to rename a boat. Oh, there's like a whole ritual
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: if you have to rename a boat.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like I had heard that before, but like, yeah,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: that's that is interesting.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: There there's a whole ritual.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, very interesting. There's also something about bananas.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Because of the spiders. You don't want to know trenchilla
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: is on your boat.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: It does appear that that plays into it.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd heard that.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: It's the random one of those random facts that you hear,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and it just sticks with you.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: But what about the banana boat? What did they do?
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: They lather up in sunscreen and hope for the best.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: You's got to get on the boat.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, So this is really funny because they had paranormal
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: investigators come on the show and one of them was
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: a woman. So all these miners started like being like,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: oh my god, you can't bring this woman into the mind.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: And she's a redhead that you can't have a redheaded woman.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: They made this big deal about it. Why does the
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: red hair make it worse?
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I listen your day walkers, but.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: That's all I have about this cool haunted gold wretch,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: very spoken gold Ridge. That sounds like it a fancy
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: English person's last name.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah it does, like gold Ridge Preparatory School.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, something kind of like fancy.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Well, hopefully that story was exciting for you all. Are
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: we gonna do some taro about it? Yeah? Wow, I
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: wonder what we're gonna get.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sending you old timey mining Town Energy, gold
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Ridge Energy.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: It's kind of interesting. We both sort of went like
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: old timey, Oh I want real old timey.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: But well I'm excited for that.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, where in our spread here in front of
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: my keyboard, are you failing?
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: How about like the by the four by the four?
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Like down? I know it's kind of up, but yeah,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: befourth of July.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, So we drew the emperor in reverse.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's interesting because the emperor you think, is
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: like probably wearing gold.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: You would think it does look like it's like a
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: mountain lion or something.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Is it like in the desert ish area?
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: It does look like it. And I was thinking that's
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: very eastern Oregon. Yeah, mountain in the background, it is
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: a mountain lion.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you never know, we thought it was a
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: hawk and it wasn't. Well yeah, okay.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: So the little story in the little book, the Emperor
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: surveyed his domain from atop the peak. He held authority
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: over this land, and none could challenge him. He didn't
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: feel gratitude exactly for his unassailable position at the apex
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: of the food web. That would have required him to
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: acknowledge that he could have been born as something lesser,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: some fearful herbivore, cowering in the shadows and bolting from danger. Oh,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: but he did feel responsibility. This was his mountain, his land,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: his creatures, and when he took one as tribute, he
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: did so with the knowledge that he could only occupy
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: the apex because the land itself supported him.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Ooh, I was thinking of like humans like mining for gold.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Right, that feels yeah, that feels like very symbolic.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the land supporting their gold habit and they built
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: special machines to like go after it.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, dude, this is the fourth major arkana.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Oh really, it's number four. That's funny, happy for everyone.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Before I just realized that because here's the thing that
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: I should probably I am actually embarrassed about that. I
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: simply can't with the Roman numerals.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm usually pretty good at reading those, but
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking I'm not.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I actively have just been like I don't, I don't care,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I don't care to learn them, and uh, I don't
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: see I.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is ivy all right.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Our keywords are leadership, masculine power, mature men, and material success.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Well that fits all those masculine miners. Yeah, mature men
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: material success. Yeah, it definitely seems like that lines up
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: as the title suggests. The Emperor is a figure of
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: supreme authority. He's usually shown as a mature man seated
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: on a throne, as a warrior bearing a shield and sword,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: or outdoors where he wields power in the natural world.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Ooh.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: In some decks he wears royal robes and a crown,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: in others a suit of armor to signify his position
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: of strength. Clearly, he's a figure to be reckoned with,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: which definitely feels on point with the whole Dridge situation. Yeah,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: he's the savvy executive, the brave warrior, the responsible civic
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: leader who has reached the summit of authority and achieved
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: worldly power. The emperor is an archetypal father figure, just
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: as the Empress is a mother figure. If the Emperor
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: is reversed, you may be in conflict with the established order,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: perhaps at your job or with your family, religion, or
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: ethnic group. This card can represent a person who's overbearing, chauvinistic,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: or self righteous, or conversely one who's cowardly, indecisive, or
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: lacks confidence.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it shows a loss of power or status and
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: subsequent feelings of weakness or vulnerability.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, the business did eventually end in debt, so
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like maybe there was some of that
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: going on.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you should mention that in a reading
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: about money. You may lack the acumen to make or
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: manage money successfully.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: God, but they made so much. They made like twelve million,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Like how happens?
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, but that's over, like the life of Yeah,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: the operation and twelve million dollars if you manage it poorly,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: still can be zero dollars at the end of the day.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Just like what was all that tearing up the land
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: and like making these permanent marks in the land.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: If like it didn't even I don't know. Yeah, I
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: guess it dispersed into the society or whatever.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: But still yeah, or a lack of self confidence may
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: prevent you from getting ahead financially. Sometimes this card shows
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: a situation in which you must stand up to adversaries
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: and protect what's yours.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Ooh, protecting things. That's like what Joe Bush is They
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: think he's protecting. Yeah, some people say he's protecting the
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: goal that's still in the valley.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: If the reading is about your job. You may feel
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: pressured to accept responsibilities you don't want or don't feel
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: capable of handling. Perhaps you've lost a job through downsizing,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: or you lack the energy required to reach your goals.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: This card can indicate a need for more experience, drive,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: or skill.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't want to be a ghost still working
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: in the afterlife, but like maybe he just felt pressured
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: to hang around and save people, and then he didn't
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: have enough energy to finish his word gold.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: If you're trying to please someone else or fit a
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: role that's been dictated to you, it may be time
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: to take the reins yourself. In a reading about love,
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: this card suggests coldness, criticism, or an overly controlling nature.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: One person in the relationship is the boss who calls
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: all the shot.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: He'll take your lunch too right.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Sometimes the reverse emperor shows immaturity, lack of commitment, or infertility.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Guys, women are bad book.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, there's a little extra excerpt. Be aware of
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: stifling and stagnating rules and regulations. Learn when it is
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: time to question the obligations and mores of society. And
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: that is a quote from Barbara Moore's the Gilded Tarot Companion, which.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Oh is gold. Yeah, you nailed it, gilded.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: That's interesting because it just makes me think of like
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: it ended due to like environmental concerns, which are like,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you see the satellite imagery, they tore
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: shit up.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Does feel kind of valid?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not great for the wildlife and the land.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, well I feel like that card was perfect.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: The number four. We did it, Yeah, nailed it. It
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: was gilded. You know, it's a whole thing. Damn we
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: did it again.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: I know. But the background looking like eastern Oregon is
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: kind of cool to Yeah.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: It literally looks like it's a mountain lion up at
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: like the top of like kind of a peak, and
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: presumably down below is like the valley.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: The valley, Yeah, the vialley.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Just saying, well, now we have another like super random
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: place to visit on our list.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is no shortage next time we're over in
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: eastern Oregon.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh boy, I mean it is.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: It is beautiful there.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: It is all right, Well should we say goodbye, let's
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: do it, have a creepy yaes day. We'll see you
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: next Thursday, unless you like, blow yourself up doing fireworks.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Please don't do that.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Oh god, I don't even suggest that.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to save them. I'm trying to warn them
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: against doing that.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, take this, this episode is truly a cautionary tale.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess maybe if you're about to plow yourself up,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Joe Bush, might you know, just put the fire out.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: But I mean, honestly, he just shouldn't have to intervene
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: on other people's behalf. Like, let him have an afterlife already,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: you know you're let him have an afternoon.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: But yes, yes, let him have his after life.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, either way, an afternoon and after life whatever.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Just let him relax, for the love of all things.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a little more relaxed now that it's
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: not actually running, so he probably doesn't really have to
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: save people anymore. But I mean, here, there'll be some
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: jerk offs that visit.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: You never know,