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- 0:08Speaker 1: It's October. Retailers will try to panic you by telling
- 0:11Speaker 1: you that it is 84 days until Christmas. But you
- 0:14Speaker 1: know what you can do in 84 days? Learn another language.
- 0:17Speaker 1: So if you spend your time wisely rather than shopping,
- 0:21Speaker 1: in 84 days you'll be able to say, I thought
- 0:24Speaker 1: it was your turn to organise Christmas in an entirely
- 0:27Speaker 1: other language. So you're here now, you're using your time wisely,
- 0:31Speaker 1: you're on No Dribble, strap in! Hello and welcome to
- 0:46Speaker 1: No Dribble, the podcast where we talk about how long
- 0:48Speaker 1: it is to Christmas and we talk about netball and
- 0:50Speaker 1: so much more. My name's Carolyn Swindell.
- 0:53Speaker 2: I'm Liz Ellis and I won't be putting up my
- 0:55Speaker 2: Christmas tree until three days prior to Christmas.
- 0:59Speaker 3: Oh, what?
- 1:02Speaker 4: Oh, God, I chose a language that you know.
- 1:13Speaker 1: Well, clearly not that well. I've forgotten the word for day.
- 1:15Speaker 3: But anyway. Good to be here.
- 1:18Speaker 1: Nice to have you here. So, Liz, sorry, three days
- 1:22Speaker 1: before Christmas. Now, I know we've talked about this in
- 1:24Speaker 1: the past. Catherine goes early in November. I'm a bit
- 1:27Speaker 1: of a stickler for the 1st of December but will
- 1:30Speaker 1: go a day or two either side of that in
- 1:33Speaker 1: order to accommodate my stepdaughter's schedules for when we put
- 1:36Speaker 1: the tree up. But you are what?
- 1:38Speaker 3: I don't know. I was answering a text message.
- 1:42Speaker 2: Oh.
- 1:43Speaker 1: When do you put your Christmas?
- 1:44Speaker 3: Three days before Christmas.
- 1:45Speaker 1: Three days before Christmas.
- 1:46Speaker 3: Three days before Christmas.
- 1:48Speaker 2: So sorry, I was answering a text message from someone
- 1:50Speaker 2: who's coming to the stadium to meet me to drop
- 1:52Speaker 2: off something that my son left at their place. So
- 1:54Speaker 2: this is the stuff that all women have to do,
- 1:56Speaker 2: multitasking before Christmas. So you say that everyone's going to,
- 2:01Speaker 2: you can learn a new language and leave it to
- 2:03Speaker 2: somebody else to organise Christmas. Let me tell you, if
- 2:05Speaker 2: I didn't organise Christmas, there would be no Christmas. So
- 2:08Speaker 2: I think you asked me about my tree. My tree
- 2:10Speaker 2: goes up sometime between three days before, but five days before,
- 2:14Speaker 2: but that's because we have a real tree. And if
- 2:16Speaker 2: you put it up too early, it's a bit droopy
- 2:18Speaker 2: and sad by Christmas day. So I like to have
- 2:21Speaker 2: the tree that lasts through Christmas into New Year's day.
- 2:25Speaker 3: And then we sort of pull.
- 2:26Speaker 2: It down at some point after that and hope that
- 2:29Speaker 2: we don't get too many creepy crawlies from outside coming
- 2:33Speaker 2: inside with the tree.
- 2:34Speaker 3: Was that the question you asked me?
- 2:36Speaker 1: Gordie, tell us about your tree and when you put
- 2:38Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, that's not bad. You've managed to ask
- 2:41Speaker 1: your way through the exam again.
- 2:43Speaker 2: That's how I got a university degree, 51%, 1% of
- 2:47Speaker 2: wasted effort.
- 2:48Speaker 3: Anyway, I digress. Gordie.
- 2:50Speaker 5: Okay, so we host, Rose and I host an ugly
- 2:56Speaker 5: T-shirt Christmas party annually at our place.
- 2:59Speaker 2: Nice.
- 2:59Speaker 3: And it falls always around early December.
- 3:03Speaker 5: So we have to make sure that we've got the
- 3:06Speaker 5: place decorated prior to that.
- 3:07Speaker 3: So ideally early December it goes up.
- 3:11Speaker 5: But the other thing is, and this is the debate,
- 3:14Speaker 5: if we go away for Christmas, I always have the
- 3:16Speaker 5: dilemma of should you put.
- 3:18Speaker 3: The tree up if you're not going to be here?
- 3:21Speaker 2: Yeah, but then like you're in a house that doesn't
- 3:23Speaker 2: get a tree, which is a bit sad.
- 3:26Speaker 1: But you don't take your tree with you.
- 3:28Speaker 3: Like I.
- 3:29Speaker 1: my tree will be up at home and if I'm
- 3:31Speaker 1: having Christmas somewhere else, I'll make sure there is a
- 3:33Speaker 1: tree of some description there. But I love putting up
- 3:38Speaker 1: our tree. I love having it up. I've got, this
- 3:40Speaker 1: is very exciting. I bought a new tree this year.
- 3:42Speaker 1: We had the other one for like 15 years and
- 3:45Speaker 1: it was sort of held together by gaffer tape. And
- 3:47Speaker 1: then last year on Christmas day, I thought I'm going
- 3:51Speaker 1: to buy a new tree and I decided I would
- 3:55Speaker 1: wait until Christmas day to buy it. So to get
- 3:57Speaker 1: a discount. So I had done all of this research,
- 4:00Speaker 1: what I wanted, what's the maximum size that will fit
- 4:02Speaker 1: in the space that we put it and the like.
- 4:04Speaker 1: And I jumped online and I ordered the one that
- 4:07Speaker 1: I wanted at 10 o'clock on Christmas morning. Ten days later,
- 4:11Speaker 1: still hadn't heard from them. I had the order confirmation,
- 4:14Speaker 1: still hadn't arrived. And then I contacted them and they went, oh, sorry,
- 4:18Speaker 1: that's out of stock. we'll give you a refund. It's like, no, no.
- 4:23Speaker 1: And then there was another one that was exactly the
- 4:24Speaker 1: same model, but was pre-lit. And I said, well, I'll
- 4:28Speaker 1: take that one. And they went, that's more expensive. You'll
- 4:31Speaker 1: have to pay more. And like, clearly what had happened
- 4:33Speaker 1: is they got my order and buggered up. They had
- 4:35Speaker 1: the stock when I ordered it and then sold it
- 4:37Speaker 1: to other people. And so I said, well, given you
- 4:42Speaker 1: can't fulfill the order, I would have thought you would
- 4:44Speaker 1: have given me that at the same price, but how
- 4:47Speaker 1: about I meet you halfway on the price difference? And
- 4:49Speaker 1: they said, No. And I said, right, so I've shopped
- 4:52Speaker 1: with you for 30 years on and off and for
- 4:56Speaker 1: the sake of 30 bucks, you're going to go, nah,
- 4:59Speaker 1: walk away. So I, yep, walk away. So I'm never
- 5:02Speaker 1: going to somewhere of Kensington again. But I did get
- 5:10Speaker 1: a new tree and I'm very excited to put it
- 5:12Speaker 1: up this year, but I will wait for December.
- 5:14Speaker 2: 84 days. 84 days. I can't even think. There's so
- 5:19Speaker 2: much to do in the next 84 days that I
- 5:21Speaker 2: can't even think about that. Can we talk about netball
- 5:25Speaker 2: or something else?
- 5:27Speaker 1: Well, something I would like to talk about that is
- 5:31Speaker 1: definitely netball related. So we talked about Kylie Minogan, how
- 5:34Speaker 1: sensational she was. This coming weekend is the NRL grand
- 5:38Speaker 1: final where there will be no entertainment because Tones and I,
- 5:43Speaker 1: for a million bucks, didn't want to play the one
- 5:46Speaker 1: song that we all know. And I will say, Kylie
- 5:49Speaker 1: Minogue played Locomotion, right? She didn't poo-poo that and say,
- 5:55Speaker 1: I've just got to play or pay all my new stuff.
- 5:57Speaker 1: But the NRL has said, we're going to have no
- 5:59Speaker 1: one and give a I kind of like that. And
- 6:08Speaker 1: I think that there are a lot of people who
- 6:11Speaker 1: go and don't pay any attention to the entertainment. And
- 6:13Speaker 1: I think certainly at the netball grand final, there seems
- 6:18Speaker 1: to be doing any entertainment is just an opportunity for
- 6:22Speaker 1: people to criticize. But I would like to open this
- 6:26Speaker 1: to discussion as to whether the NRL has done the
- 6:31Speaker 1: right thing here. Is it better to go, look, we'll
- 6:33Speaker 1: have nothing rather than a rush job at the last
- 6:35Speaker 1: second and something half-assed?
- 6:39Speaker 3: For me personally, I love the entertainment.
- 6:42Speaker 5: I actually think it takes the grand final just to
- 6:48Speaker 5: another level. Personally for me, because of the time difference
- 6:53Speaker 5: in WA, particularly for an AFL grand final, which happens
- 6:56Speaker 5: at 2.30pm, So here it happens at 12.30 and everything
- 7:01Speaker 5: starts from 11am. I am glued in front of the
- 7:04Speaker 5: TV at 11am. And if anyone's making noise in the house,
- 7:08Speaker 5: I can't stand it. So I love the pre-game.
- 7:11Speaker 3: That sounds fun.
- 7:12Speaker 1: Yep.
- 7:13Speaker 3: This is why Susan doesn't have children. Unless we're getting
- 7:16Speaker 3: drinks or something, right? Like that's fine. But I really.
- 7:20Speaker 5: Enjoy the whole pre-game process. I like to watch the
- 7:25Speaker 5: NRL to see what they're doing.
- 7:28Speaker 3: I really do enjoy it.
- 7:30Speaker 5: But when you ask the question, is it the right
- 7:32Speaker 5: thing to do as opposed to doing a half-baked idea,
- 7:34Speaker 5: like why have they left themselves in.
- 7:37Speaker 3: a position that's half-baked.
- 7:38Speaker 1: Kylie was locked in in March. It was locked. Kylie
- 7:42Speaker 1: was announced in March.
- 7:44Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
- 7:44Speaker 1: That's what I drank in. Why is this happening in
- 7:47Speaker 1: the middle of September for the beginning of October, NRL?
- 7:50Speaker 1: Like that's, I don't understand.
- 7:52Speaker 3: It's crazy, isn't it?
- 7:53Speaker 2: But I think the other, like the irony is that
- 7:56Speaker 2: Tones and I didn't want to sing a song about
- 7:58Speaker 2: performers being forced to sing a song.
- 8:01Speaker 5: No.
- 8:02Speaker 2: No. No. The irony is too delicious. You couldn't make
- 8:05Speaker 2: this up. But yeah, I would have thought like more
- 8:09Speaker 2: than 10 days out from your event, you'd have your
- 8:10Speaker 2: grand final entertainment locked in.
- 8:12Speaker 5: And Peter Volantis is right, right? So when you go
- 8:16Speaker 5: to the grand final, you do go, you're going for
- 8:18Speaker 5: the game. And, you know, it's highly likely that this
- 8:20Speaker 5: week's grand final between East and Newcastle or sorry, the
- 8:23Speaker 5: Roosters and Newcastle will be a fantastic game. But I
- 8:27Speaker 5: think like sports codes now, you want, your grand final
- 8:31Speaker 5: to be like it's entertainment. I think anyone who thinks
- 8:34Speaker 5: sport is about pure sport is probably a good 40
- 8:37Speaker 5: or 50 years behind because sport is entertainment. And You know,
- 8:41Speaker 5: for the last four or five years with Super Netball,
- 8:44Speaker 5: Suncorp has sponsored the halftime entertainment. So like even like, yes,
- 8:49Speaker 5: we're not getting Kylie or Tones and I, but we
- 8:54Speaker 5: get the people who we can afford because you want
- 8:55Speaker 5: to give people when they turn up a good show,
- 8:58Speaker 5: but also people watching at home, you want them to
- 9:00Speaker 5: see something a bit different as well, right? So it
- 9:04Speaker 5: does beg a belief because the NRL is like a
- 9:07Speaker 5: sporting behemoth, obviously, between them and the AFL. It's quite staggering.
- 9:12Speaker 3: Here's a question for you both.
- 9:16Speaker 5: So at the AFL, the pre-game entertainment is at the start.
- 9:22Speaker 3: Before the game, right? What's NRL, before the game normally?
- 9:28Speaker 1: Yeah, yes.
- 9:30Speaker 3: Super Bowl, halftime. Halftime, yeah. Super Netball, halftime. Halftime. What
- 9:36Speaker 3: do you like or prefer or think?
- 9:39Speaker 1: Well, I'm really interested in, so this is sort of
- 9:43Speaker 1: related to what you've just asked, sorry, but the players
- 9:47Speaker 1: at the AFL Grand Final, they will go onto the
- 9:49Speaker 1: field and warm up and then it's a solid hour
- 9:53Speaker 1: or so before they're back on playing the game, which
- 9:56Speaker 1: I think must be a real challenge from a sort
- 9:58Speaker 1: of strength and conditioning perspective. coaching type thing, you know,
- 10:02Speaker 1: keeping the trainers, keeping them warmed up and ready to go.
- 10:05Speaker 1: But I don't know, I thought it was a spectacular
- 10:10Speaker 1: balance at the AFL between obviously look at this incredible
- 10:14Speaker 1: entertainment and now we're going to watch the footy. And
- 10:17Speaker 1: to me it felt like a really, like a big
- 10:19Speaker 1: G up. There was nothing that interrupted the flow of
- 10:23Speaker 1: the game and then, you know, there was analysis at
- 10:27Speaker 1: half time and that, you know, I always think that's
- 10:30Speaker 1: very interesting. So I prefer the pre-game stuff because I
- 10:36Speaker 1: think then it's like, well, the people who are there
- 10:38Speaker 1: for the sport, you can just show up and miss
- 10:41Speaker 1: the pregame if you're that fussed about it, but it
- 10:44Speaker 1: just builds up to that moment and then the sport
- 10:47Speaker 1: is showcased.
- 10:49Speaker 3: Yeah, and it helps to build the atmosphere, right?
- 10:50Speaker 2: If you've got a great singer who everyone's singing along
- 10:53Speaker 2: and everyone feels good. So I actually haven't thought about
- 10:56Speaker 2: it before, Gordie, but I think I do prefer, I
- 10:59Speaker 2: think I prefer pre-match.
- 11:00Speaker 3: And then I'd like to have relays at halftime because
- 11:02Speaker 3: I love relays. Well, yeah. Between like fast people in
- 11:04Speaker 3: the game. That's my thought. So yeah, I reckon it's interesting, Caroline.
- 11:07Speaker 5: I think it's harder for athletes to warm up at
- 11:10Speaker 5: halftime when your body's been at full capacity and then
- 11:14Speaker 5: you can extend it. So in Super Netball, you get
- 11:16Speaker 5: an extended halftime period only in the grand finals.
- 11:19Speaker 3: To, you know, for the, for.
- 11:21Speaker 5: The halftime entertainment and that's all fine and teams manage,
- 11:24Speaker 5: but it is harder to get the body going after
- 11:25Speaker 5: you've been flat chat, then you, you know, you warm
- 11:28Speaker 5: up and then you can read.
- 11:30Speaker 3: Sort of warm up.
- 11:31Speaker 5: You haven't been excelling at high intensity at the start,
- 11:35Speaker 5: you know, before the game starts. So for me, I
- 11:37Speaker 5: would love the pre-game entertainment at the start to get
- 11:41Speaker 5: the crowd.
- 11:41Speaker 3: Up and about.
- 11:42Speaker 5: And then I reckon you get locked into your sport,
- 11:46Speaker 5: the AFL or the netball or whatever it is. And
- 11:48Speaker 5: then halftime, I love how the AFL do the race
- 11:51Speaker 5: with the players for the, you know, like they have
- 11:53Speaker 5: the sprints There's so many things netball could do just
- 11:56Speaker 5: to keep the court entertained, but bring in the players
- 11:59Speaker 5: and stuff like that, but not have to overly extend
- 12:02Speaker 5: the halftime break unnecessarily.
- 12:04Speaker 1: Because I think that it's the Soccer World Cup in
- 12:07Speaker 1: the US recently, there was some controversy there because for
- 12:10Speaker 1: the first time they had to extend the length of
- 12:12Speaker 1: the halftime break in order to accommodate the entertainment. And
- 12:17Speaker 1: the soccer purists, who won't like me calling it soccer,
- 12:20Speaker 1: we've been through that in the past, but They didn't
- 12:22Speaker 1: like that because it's usually a much shorter half time. And, yeah,
- 12:27Speaker 1: I mean I don't– I can– I'm sympathetic to that,
- 12:31Speaker 1: that it's like we're here for the sport. And I think–
- 12:34Speaker 1: you know, I suspect what we will see now is
- 12:38Speaker 1: the AFL Grand Final, the pre-game entertainment. I think Kylie
- 12:41Speaker 1: said a new benchmark and I imagine next year they
- 12:43Speaker 1: will look to meet that or exceed it the way
- 12:46Speaker 1: they do at the Super Bowl.
- 12:49Speaker 3: That's impossible. Sorry?
- 12:51Speaker 1: Impossible.
- 12:54Speaker 5: They've reached their pinnacle and sure, certainly not coming, sure
- 12:57Speaker 5: it's not coming to the AFL Grand Final.
- 13:01Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's interesting. I don't know where you go
- 13:04Speaker 1: from Kylie Minogue, but yeah, I think they've now gone,
- 13:08Speaker 1: this is what you, what the standard you can expect.
- 13:11Speaker 1: And it would be helpful, I imagine, for the NRL
- 13:14Speaker 1: if it had been the week before Kylie. What are
- 13:18Speaker 1: we going to do?
- 13:18Speaker 5: The other thing I would, I'd, kind of support is
- 13:21Speaker 5: I love Australian artists. Like I really hope that we can, like,
- 13:25Speaker 5: don't get me wrong. Like overseas artists are great. They
- 13:27Speaker 5: cost a lot of money, but Aussie artists, like there's
- 13:29Speaker 5: some great old bands, bring back some of the old bands.
- 13:32Speaker 3: They did it.
- 13:33Speaker 5: They did it during COVID from memory when, how we
- 13:36Speaker 5: were looking this up the other day. So when Perth
- 13:38Speaker 5: hosted at Optus Stadium, the AFL grand final, they brought
- 13:41Speaker 5: in all of like Australian artists.
- 13:44Speaker 3: And I'm pretty sure Tones and I would set that
- 13:46Speaker 3: one to be blatantly honest with you.
- 13:48Speaker 5: And they bought like, I don't know, a lot of
- 13:50Speaker 5: Aussie local and whatever artists because people couldn't travel because
- 13:53Speaker 5: of COVID.
- 13:54Speaker 3: And I loved it. I thought it was great.
- 13:56Speaker 5: So I also liked the fact that we, you know,
- 13:58Speaker 5: we can support Aussie artists for our Aussie events as well.
- 14:02Speaker 3: That's the other thing.
- 14:03Speaker 2: And I think the interesting thing about the Rugby League saying, oh,
- 14:06Speaker 2: we're just going to give that money to junior footy.
- 14:08Speaker 3: Like Rugby League, Why can't we have both? Why can't
- 14:11Speaker 3: we have a great artist and why can't.
- 14:12Speaker 2: We give more of your $ 60 million profit to Junior 40?
- 14:15Speaker 2: Like you could do it all.
- 14:16Speaker 3: Anyway, I think it was just something to, oh, no
- 14:19Speaker 3: half-time entertainment. Look over here, a sparkly thing.
- 14:22Speaker 1: And it is sort of like we're going to give
- 14:24Speaker 1: a million dollars to ourselves instead of giving you entertainment,
- 14:27Speaker 1: isn't it? But there's certainly a lot of ABC listeners, Susan,
- 14:31Speaker 1: who agree with you that it's like, well, hang on,
- 14:33Speaker 1: is this like surely there's somewhere between Tones and I
- 14:37Speaker 1: falling over and giving all the money to Junior Rugby League.
- 14:41Speaker 1: Surely in the middle there's some Australian artists who we
- 14:44Speaker 1: could showcase and give an opportunity to.
- 14:46Speaker 4: Agreed.
- 14:47Speaker 1: Anyway, very entertaining and I am very interested, Elizabeth, that
- 14:54Speaker 1: for the first time I've understood, I've never bothered to
- 14:56Speaker 1: listen to the words of Dance Monkey. To me it
- 14:58Speaker 1: is like Baby Shark. So I didn't realise there was
- 15:03Speaker 1: another layer to the meaning, the messaging in Dance Monkey
- 15:08Speaker 1: and the deep irony of that. But we're going to
- 15:11Speaker 1: take a break and come back and talk a little
- 15:13Speaker 1: bit about some nipple.
- 15:16Speaker 3: Dance for me, dance for me, dance for me.
- 15:18Speaker 2: I've never seen anybody do the.
- 15:22Speaker 3: Things you do before. They say move for me, move
- 15:26Speaker 3: for me, move for me.
- 15:35Speaker 1: Okay, so Susan Gordian, while we have you here, we
- 15:38Speaker 1: cannot pass up the opportunity to talk about what is
- 15:42Speaker 1: happening in Super Netball Club land right now, what the
- 15:45Speaker 1: pre-season looks like. But I want to talk about something
- 15:47Speaker 1: first that made my jaw drop on the weekend and
- 15:50Speaker 1: I'm sure made a lot of Victorians gasp with excitement
- 15:56Speaker 1: and many with fear and is that next year, Kate
- 16:00Speaker 1: Eddy and Lucy Austin will be playing in the VNL
- 16:04Speaker 1: for Casey Demons.
- 16:06Speaker 3: Wowza.
- 16:07Speaker 1: Amazing.
- 16:08Speaker 3: Good on you, Renee Ingalls.
- 16:11Speaker 1: So they, Casey Demons, you'll remember we gave an update
- 16:14Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. Thank you very much to Georgia
- 16:15Speaker 1: Radjic for giving me the information that I could give
- 16:18Speaker 1: you the update. But Casey Demons lost the grand final
- 16:21Speaker 1: in the VNL this this year by 11 goals to
- 16:26Speaker 1: the Hawks. So I reckon they've very much got their
- 16:29Speaker 1: eye on that prize next year.
- 16:31Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be interesting too because I've, well, I don't know,
- 16:36Speaker 2: but I'll be interested to see what Victoria do regarding
- 16:38Speaker 2: their reserves team in the Super Netball reserves and whether
- 16:44Speaker 2: Kate Eddy and Lucy Austin drop into that to play.
- 16:50Speaker 5: Which could then impede some of their Casey Demons time.
- 16:53Speaker 5: That's the interesting one to watch as well.
- 16:56Speaker 1: Do you know anything about the eligibility of those reserves teams?
- 17:01Speaker 3: Yeah, like Super Netball Reserves is just, it's like no internationals,
- 17:06Speaker 3: I think.
- 17:06Speaker 2: Yep.
- 17:06Speaker 5: About the only rule but yeah what you do what
- 17:08Speaker 5: you choose to do with it is up to your
- 17:10Speaker 5: club because because of what you're trying you know like
- 17:12Speaker 5: the whole concept is making sure that there's avenues for
- 17:16Speaker 5: super netball players if they're not getting court time to
- 17:18Speaker 5: drop back in relative to how the fixture works and
- 17:21Speaker 5: timing plus also for your pathways coming through so it
- 17:24Speaker 5: meets both purposes and so you would imagine like Kate
- 17:27Speaker 5: Eddy and Lucy Austin are no time soon retiring and
- 17:30Speaker 5: they've made it very clear that they want super netball
- 17:32Speaker 5: contracts and so they need to be doing everything possible
- 17:35Speaker 5: and getting the highest level of play that they can,
- 17:39Speaker 5: which is Super Netball reserves outside playing Super Netball. So,
- 17:42Speaker 5: I mean, Casey Demons is important because they need court
- 17:44Speaker 5: time and it's unreal. And hello, they're going back and
- 17:48Speaker 5: Renee Ingalls is coaching for the first time, former Aussie Diamond.
- 17:51Speaker 3: So that's all terrific. But I would imagine they'd also
- 17:56Speaker 3: probably step in and play reserves.
- 17:59Speaker 1: So does every... super netball team have a super netball
- 18:03Speaker 1: reserves team or is it by state?
- 18:06Speaker 3: No, every team.
- 18:07Speaker 2: Okay.
- 18:08Speaker 1: All right. So, so clearly there with the Mavs, so
- 18:11Speaker 1: there will be a super netball reserves team for them
- 18:14Speaker 1: and the Sirens will have a super.
- 18:15Speaker 3: Okay.
- 18:16Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 18:16Speaker 1: So, so this, this may be more announcement than court time.
- 18:21Speaker 3: Like No, no, I think they would play. Like, I
- 18:24Speaker 3: actually think they would play. I can't think when Victoria
- 18:26Speaker 3: play there stately what night it's on. So that's all
- 18:29Speaker 3: relative as well.
- 18:30Speaker 5: And then to understand also how much time as training
- 18:33Speaker 5: partners they'll spend inside the Mavs environment, because every club,
- 18:37Speaker 5: that's a bit different depending.
- 18:40Speaker 3: So load management comes into play, et cetera, et cetera.
- 18:43Speaker 5: But I would imagine... Yeah, they'll get some time. Casey
- 18:46Speaker 5: Demons will have them qualify.
- 18:48Speaker 3: Don't worry about that. They'll qualify for finals, so that'll
- 18:50Speaker 3: probably all work out well.
- 18:51Speaker 5: But then, yeah, where is it that they then show
- 18:54Speaker 5: up at Super Netball Reserves? And categorically for me, I
- 18:57Speaker 5: want them playing Super Netball Reserves. Our reserves competition, this
- 19:01Speaker 5: is the knock-on effect of how tough it is to
- 19:04Speaker 5: get a contract at Super Netball now, in particular off
- 19:08Speaker 5: the back of the New Zealand rule adjusting contract. significantly
- 19:13Speaker 5: and you know again I just want to say to
- 19:15Speaker 5: every athlete out there please don't take your contract for
- 19:18Speaker 5: granted you don't know how long you're going to get
- 19:21Speaker 5: it for it could go in the blink of an
- 19:23Speaker 5: eye and that's what contracts at Super Netball should be
- 19:27Speaker 5: about bloody hard to get bloody hard to hold on
- 19:30Speaker 5: to and you've got to be at your best always
- 19:32Speaker 5: to maintain but then what you want is your Super
- 19:35Speaker 5: Netball reserves competition stepping up in standard quality opportunity etc
- 19:39Speaker 5: so I hope they play Super Netball reserves.
- 19:43Speaker 1: And there can't be any internationals in Super Netball reserves.
- 19:46Speaker 3: Is that what you just said? Yeah. I mean, I'm
- 19:48Speaker 3: so long out of the GM job. My brain's like
- 19:51Speaker 3: not in GM.
- 19:51Speaker 1: We're giving you these questions without notice.
- 19:55Speaker 5: I don't think you're internationals. I've got a feeling if
- 19:58Speaker 5: you're a Diamonds.
- 20:01Speaker 3: You can't.
- 20:02Speaker 5: I don't know if that's true or not. But anyhow,
- 20:06Speaker 5: there's no issue with Kate Eddy playing. Lucy Austin, I
- 20:08Speaker 5: can't see an issue either.
- 20:11Speaker 1: Oh, well, I mean, I guess that is another positive
- 20:14Speaker 1: knock-on effect of the internationals who are coming into Super
- 20:17Speaker 1: Netball is that the Super Netball reserves competition will inevitably
- 20:23Speaker 1: become higher quality, won't it?
- 20:26Speaker 3: So it should and it needs to.
- 20:28Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 20:30Speaker 5: I mean, people have been screaming this forever and a day.
- 20:32Speaker 5: Julie Fitzgerald will be one of the biggest ones on
- 20:34Speaker 5: the bandwagon of this. I have been for a long time.
- 20:37Speaker 5: And I know Netball Australia, and Liz, I say this
- 20:39Speaker 5: even with you on the call, Netball Australia, I understand
- 20:41Speaker 5: its importance.
- 20:42Speaker 3: The problem is it's a financial cost.
- 20:44Speaker 5: Like it's not a cheap exercise to run a second
- 20:48Speaker 5: tier competition at the standard or sorry, at the extent
- 20:53Speaker 5: that we would like to run it. When you've got
- 20:56Speaker 5: to fly all over Australia to do this, like, you know,
- 20:58Speaker 5: Super Netball itself is an expensive exercise to run, let
- 21:03Speaker 5: alone then a Super Netball Reserve. So it is in
- 21:05Speaker 5: a bit of a modified format at the moment, but
- 21:07Speaker 5: irrespective of format, you want the best in there. You
- 21:10Speaker 5: want it as high quality as possible and you want
- 21:13Speaker 5: it there so it's pushing what's happening at Super Netball.
- 21:16Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 21:17Speaker 1: Oh, that's very exciting. As always, because I just get
- 21:22Speaker 1: distracted with Sue here and we like to ask all
- 21:24Speaker 1: these questions without notice, time is marching on. But, Sue,
- 21:28Speaker 1: could you just tell us now, so there's a number of,
- 21:32Speaker 1: so for instance, you have Amelia Ann Eccanasio who I
- 21:35Speaker 1: think made herself unavailable for Silver Fern's selection a year
- 21:38Speaker 1: or two back but is now coming over to Fever.
- 21:43Speaker 1: So what's happening in the Super Netball clubs at the
- 21:46Speaker 1: moment is Outside of those players who are required for
- 21:50Speaker 1: international duties. Where are you guys at? What are you doing?
- 21:53Speaker 3: Well, so they're all on annual leave. Everyone's on annual leave.
- 21:56Speaker 5: And contracts commence, new contracts commence on.
- 22:01Speaker 3: The 1st of October.
- 22:02Speaker 1: Yep.
- 22:03Speaker 3: Okay.
- 22:03Speaker 5: In theory, you're still managing athletes on old contracts or
- 22:08Speaker 5: current contracts. But most are on annual leave anyhow. So most,
- 22:12Speaker 5: as you see, just look on their social media. Like everyone,
- 22:15Speaker 5: we all should feel jealous.
- 22:16Speaker 2: They're gallivanting around the world, having an absolute ripper time,
- 22:19Speaker 2: sending back the best European photos that they possibly can.
- 22:22Speaker 3: So good on them. And then on the 1st of October,
- 22:26Speaker 3: the new contracts start.
- 22:28Speaker 5: And again, most, because of the rules that sit with
- 22:31Speaker 5: annual leave, most clubs have to put their players on
- 22:35Speaker 5: annual leave in the October period as well to make
- 22:38Speaker 5: sure we fulfil the the number of annual leave weeks
- 22:42Speaker 5: required in a given year because a lot of players
- 22:44Speaker 5: have international commitments and so on.
- 22:46Speaker 3: It's a real juggling act.
- 22:48Speaker 2: It's very individualised for every club, as in every player.
- 22:53Speaker 5: But then a lot of clubs usually hit the tracks
- 22:56Speaker 5: around about the 1st of November. And so I know
- 23:00Speaker 5: that's what we're doing at Fever. So 1st of November
- 23:02Speaker 5: hits and our pre-season starts and someone like Amelia Rand,
- 23:05Speaker 5: she heads over ready to start on the 1st of
- 23:08Speaker 5: November and she's leaving her kids and husband back in
- 23:11Speaker 5: New Zealand for the first seven weeks six seven weeks
- 23:13Speaker 5: until Christmas so it's a bit of a nervous time
- 23:16Speaker 5: for her um and that's tough yeah tough but she's
- 23:20Speaker 5: also excited about the fact that she can get to
- 23:23Speaker 5: come over and just focus on herself the professional athlete
- 23:26Speaker 5: and try and get the best possible pre-season and she's
- 23:29Speaker 5: she's such a professional Amelia Ann so you know that
- 23:33Speaker 5: She's going to focus and do what's required of her
- 23:35Speaker 5: in that pre-season. Then she goes back and then brings
- 23:37Speaker 5: her family over in January. Some of the other players,
- 23:41Speaker 5: of course, the Jamaicans and the English, they're playing in
- 23:44Speaker 5: a series over two games in England, two games in Jamaica.
- 23:47Speaker 5: So a lot of those players are tied up in
- 23:49Speaker 5: their respective programs at the moment. The England players coming
- 23:54Speaker 5: off annual leave, they've just gone into camp. The Jamaicans,
- 23:57Speaker 5: I think, have got sort of little small camps happening
- 24:01Speaker 5: But most plays sort of come back in or, yeah,
- 24:03Speaker 5: around about the November and you get a good eight
- 24:05Speaker 5: weeks in before Christmas and then they bugger off for
- 24:08Speaker 5: a couple of weeks over Christmas and then usually come
- 24:10Speaker 5: back raring to go in January. So it's a long
- 24:13Speaker 5: pre-season and as you're kind of counting the weeks down
- 24:17Speaker 5: as you get towards the start of the season, when
- 24:19Speaker 5: you reflect back the number of days you've been in pre-season,
- 24:22Speaker 5: it's huge.
- 24:23Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's pretty much. So from annual leave and
- 24:26Speaker 3: then sort of over the.
- 24:27Speaker 5: November, December period, very individualised between international programs, the diamonds
- 24:32Speaker 5: the same and then some starting back.
- 24:34Speaker 3: So some clubs only have two or three players.
- 24:36Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 24:38Speaker 3: It's a really, yeah. Which, you know, can be a
- 24:41Speaker 3: really good thing for some of those players.
- 24:42Speaker 5: Probably is, as we were talking earlier in the week,
- 24:44Speaker 5: those players that sit sort of down the ranks a
- 24:47Speaker 5: little bit that you're trying to get the next layer
- 24:49Speaker 5: out of them. That part of pre-season is so important
- 24:52Speaker 5: for them.
- 24:53Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a great way to start a new job,
- 24:55Speaker 1: isn't it? Okay, this is your first day. What we
- 24:57Speaker 1: need is for you to go and have a holiday
- 24:59Speaker 1: for a month. My mate did a marathon, run a
- 25:03Speaker 1: marathon training program. Day one, rest day.
- 25:05Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 25:07Speaker 1: It's like, all right, I could do this.
- 25:09Speaker 3: I give up after day one. That's enough. Yeah, I
- 25:12Speaker 3: started a marathon training program.
- 25:13Speaker 1: I've mastered this.
- 25:15Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excellent at it.
- 25:16Speaker 2: Easy.
- 25:17Speaker 4: All right.
- 25:17Speaker 1: Well, that was outstanding, Susan. Thank you very much. Very
- 25:21Speaker 1: much always appreciate your insights. We're going to take a
- 25:24Speaker 1: little break now. I'm going to come back. I haven't
- 25:26Speaker 1: asked the goat, but I'm actually going to ask the
- 25:29Speaker 1: goat and the gourd. Okay.
- 25:32Speaker 5: Okay.
- 25:45Speaker 2: All right.
- 25:46Speaker 1: So I have a lovely message from a young man
- 25:50Speaker 1: who has asked us for some advice about his netball career.
- 25:55Speaker 1: So his name is Samuel. It's hi, Kath, Carolyn and Liz.
- 25:58Speaker 1: I thought it was nice that he included me in
- 26:00Speaker 1: that and thought that I might have something useful to say. Samuel,
- 26:03Speaker 1: I will tell you up front, I know nothing about this,
- 26:05Speaker 1: so I will be learning about it as you do.
- 26:08Speaker 1: Together we will get smarter. I'm a 13-year-old netballer from
- 26:11Speaker 1: Ballarat and was wondering if I could get some of
- 26:13Speaker 1: your insight on boys' netball pathways. As you would know,
- 26:17Speaker 1: once boys turn 13, Netball Victoria's gender rules mean we
- 26:20Speaker 1: can no longer play in junior comps. While there are
- 26:23Speaker 1: competitions like the VMMNA, there are no real opportunities to
- 26:27Speaker 1: play in country leagues due to the restrictions, so I'm
- 26:30Speaker 1: not sure how you can really progress your skills to
- 26:32Speaker 1: get up to that level. I've recently joined an adult
- 26:35Speaker 1: mixed netball team, which has been beneficial, although it is
- 26:38Speaker 1: a very harsh jump from under 13s. With boys netball
- 26:41Speaker 1: starting to get a bit more interest, what do you
- 26:43Speaker 1: think might need to be implemented so that boys could
- 26:45Speaker 1: get a little more opportunity? Also, do I try out
- 26:48Speaker 1: for the SSV under 15s team next year? I'm participating
- 26:53Speaker 1: in an Inspire Netball Emerging Talent Academy, so would that
- 26:56Speaker 1: help with selection? I'd love it if you could just
- 26:59Speaker 1: quickly suggest some ideas. He said, doesn't even have to
- 27:01Speaker 1: be on the podcast, but Samuel, I thought that actually
- 27:03Speaker 1: your question would be of interest to a bunch of people,
- 27:06Speaker 1: but I think it would benefit other young boys struggling
- 27:08Speaker 1: to find opportunity to progress. Thank you so much. That's
- 27:10Speaker 1: from Samuel in Ballarat.
- 27:12Speaker 3: Oh, nice work, Samuel.
- 27:14Speaker 1: Yeah, good work.
- 27:16Speaker 2: I'll kick off and just give a general overview and
- 27:18Speaker 2: then Gordie, you might be able to speak more to
- 27:19Speaker 2: the pathway sort of stuff. So I think there is
- 27:24Speaker 2: no doubt that that netball needs to build pathways for
- 27:28Speaker 2: young boys and men into the elite.
- 27:30Speaker 3: And at the moment, the elite.
- 27:32Speaker 2: Of men's netball is governed by the Australian Mixed and
- 27:36Speaker 2: Men's Netball Association. I think I've got that right. And
- 27:39Speaker 2: we are talking to them about how do we bring
- 27:42Speaker 2: everything together and get the best outcome for everyone. And
- 27:45Speaker 2: there is no doubt that we need to build a
- 27:48Speaker 2: comprehensive men and boys strategy so that we become a
- 27:51Speaker 2: place where men and boys come and play.
- 27:53Speaker 3: Now, that is happening a lot.
- 27:55Speaker 2: I even know from experience at my association that we've
- 27:59Speaker 2: got a really strong men and boys program and our
- 28:01Speaker 2: association team have won state.
- 28:03Speaker 3: Champs over the past couple of years.
- 28:06Speaker 2: And actually some of the men and boys play in
- 28:08Speaker 2: our Div 1 competition. So it's a bit different from
- 28:13Speaker 2: other associations, but in a country association, you sort of
- 28:16Speaker 2: have to make the opportunities where they exist. So I
- 28:20Speaker 2: think there's a bit of work to do to ensure
- 28:22Speaker 2: that we don't just bolt one thing into another thing
- 28:25Speaker 2: or that it's sort of a bit sort of smashed
- 28:29Speaker 2: together and hope for the best. I think from a
- 28:31Speaker 2: governance point of view, there is a bit of work
- 28:33Speaker 2: to do to make sure that you get the best
- 28:35Speaker 2: outcome for netball in Australia and for the young men
- 28:39Speaker 2: and boys who want to come through. So that will
- 28:42Speaker 2: take time and it will take a bit of money.
- 28:44Speaker 2: And as we all know, our sport doesn't have the
- 28:45Speaker 2: money that the sports with the bigger broadcast deals can
- 28:48Speaker 2: throw at you know, developing a strategy to ensure gender equity,
- 28:53Speaker 2: but it's certainly something that is sort of top of mind.
- 28:57Speaker 2: Having said that though, there is some really good work
- 28:59Speaker 2: being done at state level for these pathways. And I think,
- 29:03Speaker 2: I think if I'm right, Samuel plays in Victoria and
- 29:05Speaker 2: I don't quite know what the pathways are there, but
- 29:08Speaker 2: I know in New South Wales, for example, there is,
- 29:10Speaker 2: you know, men's teams underage and then opens a play
- 29:14Speaker 2: at state champs. And I love being at State Champs
- 29:16Speaker 2: and being able to watch the Div 1. This year
- 29:19Speaker 2: it was like I was watching the under-15s and 17s
- 29:22Speaker 2: and Opens Div 1 and all the Divs. And then
- 29:24Speaker 2: it was great to watch the 17s boys and the
- 29:27Speaker 2: men as well. So it was fantastic. So it just
- 29:30Speaker 2: creates a great atmosphere. So, Gordie, I don't know if
- 29:32Speaker 2: you've got a bit more insight into the pathways.
- 29:35Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, Lizzie, the way that you've explained it
- 29:38Speaker 5: is probably quite similar. in most states where you say,
- 29:42Speaker 5: you know, like at Ballina, you've got sort of.
- 29:45Speaker 3: Something quite specific.
- 29:47Speaker 5: I think that happens in a lot of states where,
- 29:49Speaker 5: because there is this gap between once I turned 13
- 29:52Speaker 5: as a male player until kind of open, it's a
- 29:56Speaker 5: bit like hit and miss. And I think One thing
- 29:58Speaker 5: I'd say to Samuel is I think Victoria do quite
- 30:01Speaker 5: a good job with their pathway men's program, but there
- 30:04Speaker 5: will still be significant gaps. But it would be important
- 30:08Speaker 5: probably to connect with Netball Victoria to see if there
- 30:10Speaker 5: are any associations that have something a little bit more
- 30:14Speaker 5: targeted for anyone that's 14, 15, 16 and 17. I
- 30:18Speaker 5: know in WA we do have some smaller programs where
- 30:21Speaker 5: boys are can go. That's not huge, but it is
- 30:24Speaker 5: another step. Um, the question I think Samuel asked about
- 30:28Speaker 5: is in the Aspire Academy.
- 30:29Speaker 3: Does that help? Yes.
- 30:30Speaker 5: I think that's a great little step for you. I
- 30:32Speaker 5: know the guys that run Aspire and very reputable and
- 30:36Speaker 5: doing a great job and, and former men's players, one
- 30:39Speaker 5: of them.
- 30:40Speaker 3: So I think hang in there.
- 30:41Speaker 5: And, and I think the other thing is, is that
- 30:45Speaker 5: go and have a chat with some of the boys
- 30:47Speaker 5: that play in the open men's, you know, they've all
- 30:49Speaker 5: been through.
- 30:50Speaker 3: The exact, exact same experience.
- 30:52Speaker 5: Um, what Samuel's experience would be no different to most
- 30:56Speaker 5: other guys that have come through, you know, the men's
- 30:58Speaker 5: pathway and had to find answers where there aren't.
- 31:02Speaker 3: Solutions, I guess, at the moment.
- 31:03Speaker 5: And so You know, reach out and see what you
- 31:06Speaker 5: can with some of the other boys. But whatever you
- 31:08Speaker 5: can do in terms of being in academies, trialling for teams,
- 31:12Speaker 5: wherever you can, you go and do it.
- 31:14Speaker 3: Absolutely. But, you know, you are– we're going to keep
- 31:17Speaker 3: working on it. Yeah.
- 31:18Speaker 2: And also, Samuel, that like– I know it's hard stepping
- 31:22Speaker 2: up from under 13s into– like a mixed team but
- 31:26Speaker 2: you are learning so much and I always say to
- 31:29Speaker 2: young athletes if you can play against older people they're
- 31:32Speaker 2: not going to be as fast as you but they're
- 31:34Speaker 2: going to know so much more about the game and
- 31:36Speaker 2: how to position their body so even if you're getting
- 31:38Speaker 2: your butt kicked you're still learning and improving and getting
- 31:41Speaker 2: better so that's certainly and good on you for stepping
- 31:43Speaker 2: up and having a crack in the older division.
- 31:46Speaker 3: And that he loves netball. Yay.
- 31:48Speaker 1: And I mean, certainly it's obviously, you know, I would
- 31:52Speaker 1: have thought going to become a more popular sport with
- 31:54Speaker 1: parents as we understand more and more about the impact,
- 31:57Speaker 1: you know, the traumatic brain impacts that happen from the
- 32:01Speaker 1: more head contact, head clash sports and the like. And,
- 32:05Speaker 1: you know, I guess Samuel has it tougher to being
- 32:09Speaker 1: in a regional area that there may not be as
- 32:11Speaker 1: much as is happening down the road in Melbourne. But
- 32:14Speaker 1: some great advice there. And Samuel, thanks so much for
- 32:17Speaker 1: sending it in. And you're dead right. These are the
- 32:19Speaker 1: sorts of questions that do benefit other people. So it's
- 32:22Speaker 1: great when someone will ask a question like that. And,
- 32:25Speaker 1: you know, great that we had Gordie here for it today.
- 32:27Speaker 1: So thank you very much. I think that's all we've
- 32:30Speaker 1: got time for today. I want to just have a
- 32:33Speaker 1: couple of little messages. Remember, Gordie is doing the Macca
- 32:36Speaker 1: Cancer 200 in a couple of weeks' time. And if
- 32:39Speaker 1: you are able to kick in to support cancer research,
- 32:42Speaker 1: particularly dribblers from the West, but obviously dribblers everywhere, we
- 32:47Speaker 1: know Gordie does us all a wonderful favour, very regularly
- 32:50Speaker 1: dropping in and sharing her wisdom. So if you can
- 32:53Speaker 1: kick in a bit to get behind her fundraising for
- 32:56Speaker 1: the Lycra What I See, is that the team?
- 32:59Speaker 3: Lycra What I See.
- 33:01Speaker 1: So the link is in the show notes, today's show notes,
- 33:03Speaker 1: and she will also put something up in our Facebook
- 33:06Speaker 1: group and has promised to keep us updated along the way.
- 33:09Speaker 5: I'm not sure they're going to like her what they
- 33:11Speaker 5: see when they see the updates.
- 33:13Speaker 1: But yeah, do get behind that.
- 33:16Speaker 5: I'm a bit worried about putting that outfit on for
- 33:19Speaker 5: the first time, you know.
- 33:20Speaker 3: I would be worried about seeing the photos, dude.
- 33:22Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 33:26Speaker 1: There's a place for everything on the internet, Susan.
- 33:28Speaker 3: Someone will love it. This is true.
- 33:29Speaker 1: But yeah, so please get behind that. And at the
- 33:33Speaker 1: time of recording, there are fewer than 20 tickets left
- 33:35Speaker 1: for our event on Constellation Cup Eve here in Sydney
- 33:38Speaker 1: on the 24th of October. So go to nodribble.com.au to
- 33:42Speaker 1: get your tickets for that. Liz, did you just indicate
- 33:46Speaker 1: that you had a.
- 33:47Speaker 3: I got nothing.
- 33:47Speaker 2: I'm sitting here in the equipment room and I'm listening
- 33:49Speaker 2: to the grand final being played outside.
- 33:51Speaker 3: I've got no idea who won.
- 33:52Speaker 2: I've got no idea what's going on and I'm worried
- 33:54Speaker 2: I'm going to get locked inside this stadium because they're
- 33:56Speaker 2: all packing up and leaving.
- 33:57Speaker 1: Everyone's packing up and sending her home. You'll be like
- 34:02Speaker 1: that Tom Hanks movie where he's in the terminal for
- 34:04Speaker 1: months on end.
- 34:05Speaker 2: Yes. Well, if I walk out, you know what I'm
- 34:08Speaker 2: most worried about, that I'll walk out and the alarm
- 34:10Speaker 2: will go off and I.
- 34:12Speaker 3: Won't be able to find my way out.
- 34:14Speaker 5: I can't wait to watch the recording next week when
- 34:17Speaker 5: you're still sitting.
- 34:18Speaker 3: There in your green T-shirt.
- 34:19Speaker 2: Yes.
- 34:22Speaker 1: Well, hopefully your family will come looking for you.
- 34:24Speaker 3: Oh, no, they won't.
- 34:25Speaker 2: That's the sad thing. They'll be like, yes, peace and quiet.
- 34:30Speaker 1: Well, that's all we've got time for today. Thank you
- 34:33Speaker 1: for joining us on No Dribble. As always, it has
- 34:36Speaker 1: been sensational to be in your ears this week. My
- 34:40Speaker 1: name's Carolyn Swindell.
- 34:41Speaker 2: I'm Liz Ellis coming to you from the equipment room.
- 34:44Speaker 2: And Sue Gordian coming to you from the other side
- 34:46Speaker 2: of the country. Yeah. Cheers.
- 34:48Speaker 1: Well, have a great week, guys.
- 34:50Speaker 2: Bye.
- 34:51Speaker 1: Yeah, bye.
- 34:54Speaker 5: Okay, so guys, what I didn't say to you on air,
- 34:57Speaker 5: I had to go to the chemist and I think
- 34:59Speaker 5: they've told me you've got to buy this cream for
- 35:01Speaker 5: the ride.
- 35:02Speaker 3: I can't remember what it's called.
- 35:04Speaker 5: Anyhow, I was talking to one of the guys that
- 35:05Speaker 5: I was riding with and he was saying, like, you
- 35:08Speaker 5: have to rub it everywhere. Like, and I mean this nicely,
- 35:11Speaker 5: but they've got to lift up and rub in around
- 35:13Speaker 5: all the tracks. So I've got to get this cream
- 35:17Speaker 5: and give it a good rub.
- 35:18Speaker 1: Is it a chafe cream or is it a numbing?
- 35:21Speaker 2: I think it's a chafe cream. But I think it
- 35:23Speaker 2: has a numbing, like.
- 35:25Speaker 3: I don't know. Oh, my God.
- 35:27Speaker 1: Well, I reckon read the instructions very carefully.
- 35:31Speaker 2: Oh.
- 35:35Speaker 3: And don't buy Denco rum by accident. Hey, I won't
- 35:39Speaker 3: be doing a live video. I'm putting in the chat.
- 35:41Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I was going to say, maybe we don't
- 35:42Speaker 1: need that one in the Facebook group.
- 35:45Speaker 3: Only fans. Gordie on Only Fans.