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Epstein Files: Down the Rabbit Hole (w. Dr. Leslie Dobson) · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. Today, we're going to be talking
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  Speaker 1: about some very serious themes on the show of suicide,
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  Speaker 1: sexual violence, violence, So please listen with care, and we
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  Speaker 1: are going to list resources here on the screen for
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  Speaker 1: you to seek out if you feel like you need
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  Speaker 1: those resources.
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  Speaker 2: Take care of yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Albrand.
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  Speaker 1: And then we're going to be talking about soup, transracialism.
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  Speaker 1: I set the airport Secret Lives of Mormon Wives that time.
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  Speaker 1: I was crying on the floor Melissa's office. We have
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  Speaker 1: a wild interview with doctor Leslie Dobson talking about Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein conspiracies. And I'm going to answer all your questions
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  Speaker 1: from the DM, so stick around. I was in Jupiter.
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  Speaker 1: I don't and so I'm texting Charmaine and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: where did you get this edible from? She gave it
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  Speaker 1: to me, Where did she get it from? We don't
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  Speaker 1: know where it came from. We can't figure out where
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  Speaker 1: the edible came from that I took. We don't know
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  Speaker 1: the provenance, you.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know the origin story. No, and now took it?
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  Speaker 1: Are things that bad? Where I'm just eating drugs that
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  Speaker 1: I thought.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I just buy it in her bag
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  Speaker 2: had lints on it.
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  Speaker 1: So she did find it in her bag and she
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  Speaker 1: came to me, but it was in a little dime bag. No,
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  Speaker 1: there was no lint on it, but it was in
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  Speaker 1: a little dime bag. And so she gave it to me.
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  Speaker 1: But it was like a year ago, so it's just
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  Speaker 1: been in the cabinet, in the cupboard, and I'm like.
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  Speaker 3: This is like the equivalent of when you were, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when you were a kid and your grandma
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  Speaker 3: had like a candy in her purse.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, And like literally was I think I was
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  Speaker 1: in a toy Star with Charmaine. We were shopping, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and she was like, oh, do you want the edible?
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  Speaker 1: My friend gave it to me or something, and so
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  Speaker 1: but I was I was truly seeing sounds. I'm hearing colors.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like that.
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  Speaker 1: And I texted her, I was like, where did you
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  Speaker 1: get this?
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  Speaker 2: Because you want another one?
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  Speaker 1: She was like, let me text my friend and find out.
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  Speaker 1: And then he couldn't remember. So now we've got a
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  Speaker 1: whole chain going around looking up for the origin story. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: how is your weekend, gorgeous, look at you? A vision?
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  Speaker 1: A vision.
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  Speaker 2: There was something I wanted to say to you, and
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember what it is.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, Okay, was it a slur?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe?
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  Speaker 1: As usual as usual? Actually this weekend someone yelled at me,
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  Speaker 1: did you have a coming? I was going to d C.
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  Speaker 1: So I was headed to d C.
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  Speaker 2: Why are we going to d C?
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  Speaker 1: Amtrack? I spoke at an event, okay, and so I
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  Speaker 1: had to take miss amtrack okay. And since the airports
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  Speaker 1: are cocked, truly a hot mess in America right now. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: Amtrak has really taken a brunting as well.
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  Speaker 3: I mean an Amtrak already. The infrastructure is not terrific, right.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's hanging on by a thread. You're
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  Speaker 1: lucky if you have two rails for the train. So
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  Speaker 1: it's about, I want to say, a throng of two
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  Speaker 1: hundred people waiting for the actual track to be announced, right,
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  Speaker 1: because everyone waits for the track, and it's all New
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  Speaker 1: York DC types. So people are just like standing there
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  Speaker 1: on their phones, very bored, waiting waiting for the track
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  Speaker 1: to be announced. I hear someone yell hey, everyone stops
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  Speaker 1: and turns because there's nothing else going on in the
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  Speaker 1: train station, and I turn and this guy's looking right
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  Speaker 1: at me, locked.
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  Speaker 2: Eyes eyes, and he goes because, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My wife loves your videos. So now everyone on the
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  Speaker 1: platform turns looks right at me.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he's got an only fan.
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  Speaker 1: Who is this guy?
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  Speaker 2: I'm this guy?
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  Speaker 1: I'm No one else knows who I am except this
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  Speaker 1: one man who he doesn't even know who I am?
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  Speaker 2: So how did he notice shout you out?
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  Speaker 1: He must have seen something, but he was like my wife,
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  Speaker 1: not even me.
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  Speaker 3: I could give a shit about you, but my fucking
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  Speaker 3: wife never shuts up about you.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's stereop. I'm red, I'm in like jeans, T shirt,
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  Speaker 1: hat like, I'm not really dressed. I don't look I'm
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  Speaker 1: not in the Michael foot drag. I'm not in a suit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't actually look like what do you mean like
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  Speaker 1: the way that people would recognize me?
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  Speaker 3: Wait, do you mean to tell me that you fancy
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  Speaker 3: yourself to be this unrecognizable pird?
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  Speaker 1: No one would ever catch it, no one would ever
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  Speaker 1: clock it.
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  Speaker 3: Totally random thing about being recognizable. I remember so before
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  Speaker 3: I had weight loss surgerios, I was looking at a
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  Speaker 3: picture and had showed it to a friend of mine
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  Speaker 3: who didn't know me before, and she was like, you
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  Speaker 3: don't even look like yourself. And I reject that so much,
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  Speaker 3: like this idea that I am a completely different.
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  Speaker 1: Person you look not that, not that you don't. It
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  Speaker 1: looks like a different version of yourself.
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  Speaker 2: But not like who's that person?
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  Speaker 1: Honestly. The thing that's like more alarming when I see
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  Speaker 1: those photos your hair is it's like different. Yes, it's colored,
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  Speaker 1: it's straightened, or it's treated. It's treated, it's treated. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that I'm a bald ass bitch. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the term. And so I'm sorry, I'm all
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  Speaker 1: blow it out, Yeah, blow it out. Okay, wait, so
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  Speaker 1: back to you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. This is not about me.
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  Speaker 3: So do you really do you think that people think
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  Speaker 3: that you look very different in person than I just not.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't so when if I'm at the courthouse and
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  Speaker 1: the juries are getting out, multiple people, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I love your videos, Michael. Yeah, people recognize me there
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  Speaker 1: because I'm like in the context where if someone sees
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  Speaker 1: my video then I'm like within the context, okay, but
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  Speaker 1: here I really was like I think I was like
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  Speaker 1: kind of hung over from that out of bawle. I'm
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  Speaker 1: in my gym and like jeans and t like I'm waiting.
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  Speaker 1: I'm on an Amtrak platform. I don't know. For some reason,
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  Speaker 1: I just didn't think I wasn't ready for it. So
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  Speaker 1: then he says, can I take your photo? I said sure,
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  Speaker 1: so I go. I go to lean in for a
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  Speaker 1: selfie and he just takes a photo of me standing
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  Speaker 1: there with.
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  Speaker 4: My dogs so close you're leaning.
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  Speaker 5: In likes like, hey high.
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  Speaker 1: But I think I really made I hopefully made her day.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you are You are the spouse of the man
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  Speaker 3: I saw Michael on the Amtrak platform.
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  Speaker 2: Could you please reach out to him?
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  Speaker 1: She was, he was. Everyone was very nice in the situation.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so alarming.
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  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, but but reach out to him. It'll
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  Speaker 2: make him feel better.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone on the Amtrak was like staring the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they want to know what kind of videos that
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  Speaker 2: you're making? Yeah, did you see that?
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  Speaker 3: I just just saw this that the CEO of Only
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  Speaker 3: Fans bought it?
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  Speaker 2: What he died? He bought it?
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  Speaker 3: Oh he died? He Okay, he's no longer with us.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what happened, like.
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  Speaker 1: An autoerotic asphyxiation, thing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's google it and find Yeah, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna get c J.
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  Speaker 6: C J.
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  Speaker 1: If you could just search only fans on your work
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  Speaker 1: computer and let us know what comes up.
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  Speaker 2: We promised nothing will happen.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you my credit card. Just what comes up,
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  Speaker 1: We'll give you Karen Kilgriff's credit card, and you let
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  Speaker 1: us know. One comes up, and we're free.
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  Speaker 2: Curious, We're just curious, curious.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I used to have an esthetician who had an OnlyFans page.
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  Speaker 1: Really was it like poor, like like zip popping?
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, she was.
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  Speaker 3: She was my waxing and stuff. Oh her only No, sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that she was putting on for waxing people.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, it was her. She had said
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  Speaker 3: to me, She's like, guess what, I have an only
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  Speaker 3: fans page.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, you do? And I was so deeply curious. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't it was but I never signed up for it,
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  Speaker 3: but I really wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: But I felt like.
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  Speaker 3: If I would be, it would be like a breach
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  Speaker 3: of some kind. I mean, if she's telling you about it,
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  Speaker 3: I feel And I asked, I'm like, what do you
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  Speaker 3: do on it, and she was just like she said
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  Speaker 3: to me, but she couldn't believe were the things that,
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  Speaker 3: in her case, it was men paying her to do whatever,
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  Speaker 3: that the things that men would pay for. Somebody gave
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  Speaker 3: her five hundred dollars for her to sit there in
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  Speaker 3: her bra and underwear eating soup. And I was like,
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  Speaker 3: that's it.
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  Speaker 2: And she was like, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh honey, I'm doing that for free? What I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: that on live right?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta start ticketing these events. This is unbelievable to.
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  Speaker 2: Eat soup underwear on her bed.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite super I love soup.
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  Speaker 2: I could eat soup everything.
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  Speaker 1: I could eat soup. Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, my favorite soup is wipe being and es girl.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. Beautiful, so good.
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  Speaker 1: And any of those greens, they're all in season right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's like late winter. This is the best time to
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  Speaker 1: be doing all under soup.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Really he is.
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  Speaker 3: He's a particular eater. He likes what he likes, okay,
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  Speaker 3: and he doesn't love soup. He does like, bisk make
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  Speaker 3: me a lobster bisk okay, big yeah, yeah, yeah, My
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  Speaker 3: bougie ass.
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  Speaker 1: Man bride can make. Bride can make corn chowder, and
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  Speaker 1: his grandfather taught him how to make it.
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  Speaker 2: I love corn chowder. It's really it's so good.
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  Speaker 1: It's very good.
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  Speaker 2: The problem for me, there's a lot of dairy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need three gallons of corn chowder and a
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  Speaker 1: household of two people. Nope, because now I'm eating corn
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  Speaker 1: chowder for two weeks straight.
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  Speaker 2: No, and now you hate it?
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  Speaker 1: And that is so can we make a ration, like,
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  Speaker 1: let's ration the corn chowder?
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  Speaker 2: Why did you just have the recipe?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not it. I can't. I can't give input in
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  Speaker 1: the kitchen if he's cooking, okay, I don't have standing
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  Speaker 1: to litigate. Why not in that courtroom? We we have
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  Speaker 1: a division of powers in the house like it is
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  Speaker 1: by Cameralism. There is the house, there is, and never
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  Speaker 1: the twain shall meet. I can't be given him because
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  Speaker 1: then he'll be in here trying to tell me how
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  Speaker 1: to slice a shallotte, and that is I'm holding I'm
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  Speaker 1: already holding a knife. Let's not Yeah, let's duck by mandolin. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let's do a sidebar. I know we wanted to revisit
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  Speaker 1: transracialism because we really just dropped that in the common section,
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  Speaker 1: like it was hot and I knew nothing about it,
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  Speaker 1: and you found out live here on the scene. I
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  Speaker 1: knew about transracialism.
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  Speaker 3: Was nothing zero. Admittedly, I also know very little about it.
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  Speaker 3: I just sort of fell into it and was just like,
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  Speaker 3: what is this?
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  Speaker 1: But that's the point of the algorithm, right, It just
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  Speaker 1: it just drops you into that burke and.
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  Speaker 2: Then before you know what, you're in a next rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 1: I'm texting the lady at the Birken store and I
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  Speaker 1: don't even want one. Okay, tell me about transracialism.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So I got a text message from someone that I know.
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  Speaker 3: They have asked that I keep their privacy, so I
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  Speaker 3: will do that, And this is what they said to me. Hi, Melissa,
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  Speaker 3: I listened to your most recent episode and was interested
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  Speaker 3: by your and Michael conversation on transracialism and being transgender.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to give you my thoughts on it. First.
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  Speaker 3: I'll start by saying that I am speaking from a
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  Speaker 3: biased perspective on the matter, but I do think there
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  Speaker 3: is an important difference between the two. Both gender and
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  Speaker 3: race are essentially made up social constructs that don't even
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  Speaker 3: have the same different definitions from culture to culture and
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  Speaker 3: even from person to person. But to me, what makes
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  Speaker 3: being trans different than being transracial is in the actions
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  Speaker 3: and decisions in the people and the two communities are making. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: when someone like Rachel Dozeal decides to become a black
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  Speaker 3: woman and takes up a position as president of the
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  Speaker 3: Spoken and the blaci P chapter, that comes at the
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  Speaker 3: expense of a community that she does not belong to.
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  Speaker 3: On the other hand, the transgender community is not doing
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  Speaker 3: things like that. We are not speaking on behalf of
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  Speaker 3: CIS women or CIS men, And I've personally never heard
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  Speaker 3: of a trans person who argues that they are trans people.
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  Speaker 3: For the most sparks speak only on behalf of other
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  Speaker 3: trans people. This is where I see the difference. But
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  Speaker 3: I always have more to learn, and perhaps there's a
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  Speaker 3: perspective that I have overlooked. Even if you don't read
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  Speaker 3: this at all, I wanted to share my thoughts. I
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  Speaker 3: absolutely read this, and to the person when they know
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  Speaker 3: who they are, I adore you completely and thank you
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  Speaker 3: so much for listen, Thank you so much for participating.
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  Speaker 3: And our plan is we really have to really get
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  Speaker 3: into this. We're looking for some experts. If anybody out
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  Speaker 3: there knows anyone by all means, please shoot us an email, because,
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  Speaker 3: like Michael said, this sort of came into my algorithm randomly.
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  Speaker 2: I fell into like a rabbit hole over it.
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  Speaker 3: But I am no expert, and I think that it's
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  Speaker 3: a it could be a really interesting conversation for us
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  Speaker 3: to have.
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  Speaker 1: I think so. And I think I think that's interesting
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  Speaker 1: because it's about behavior, right, It's not about it's almost
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  Speaker 1: not about identity. It's what you do with that identity. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So this person was making the comparison between like trans
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  Speaker 1: people are just transliving thriving, and then some transracial people
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  Speaker 1: like Rachel Doll's dole as all are then usurping areas
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  Speaker 1: that of.
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  Speaker 2: The think that's a huge that's the big people of.
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  Speaker 1: Color communities, right. Interesting Okay, because it's.
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  Speaker 3: Not just that she decided Richard does al decided to
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  Speaker 3: live her life as a black woman, but she went
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  Speaker 3: into what has has been a historically black space and
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  Speaker 3: was like I'm the expert and took a spot, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and took a spot that did not belong to her.
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  Speaker 1: And also I think was like speaking on behalf of
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  Speaker 1: right because she was like.
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  Speaker 2: It's me right, she was speaking I told you like.
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  Speaker 3: The thing about her hair transition really really bothered me
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  Speaker 3: because of somebody who went through it.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, I was just like, how dare you? How dare you?
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  Speaker 1: This is your algorithm is showing this is what's going
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  Speaker 1: on in our news feed, in our tiktoks, our instagram reels,
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  Speaker 1: what is happening. So you were taking a break from
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  Speaker 1: the newspeed, from the algorithm.
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  Speaker 2: I was, are you back, I'm kind of back.
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  Speaker 1: The little beat a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am back.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard, you know, it's one of those things where
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  Speaker 3: you take a break to sort of preserve your sanity,
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  Speaker 3: and the news is always it always feels so everything
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  Speaker 3: just feels so dire, right, So you take a break,
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  Speaker 3: But then you're walking around into the world and you
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  Speaker 3: don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: And I also don't love that feeling.
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  Speaker 3: Not that I'm an expert in anything, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: being relatively informed I think is important.
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  Speaker 1: Well, last night I was getting into bed and something
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  Speaker 1: within me said, you should.
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  Speaker 2: Open Instagram right now, Something within me.
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  Speaker 1: Something with me, the demon in me, said open Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: And I did, and you did.
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  Speaker 1: Brad's already passed out. The dogs talked away in his
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  Speaker 1: bed and there I was, and I open it and
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  Speaker 1: it says updated one minute ago. Okay, the Air Canada
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  Speaker 1: and the stairs collision. So now I'm seeing it and
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  Speaker 1: it's the worst thing that can happen to an influencer.
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  Speaker 1: I'm seeing it and everyone's asleep, and I can't talk
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  Speaker 1: to anyone about it.
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  Speaker 2: So what did you do?
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  Speaker 1: I went, Okay, but it was unbelievable. What I was like,
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  Speaker 1: this is crazy. I need to talk to someone about this.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess the plane was landing, yeah, and there
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  Speaker 1: was already an emergency at LaGuardia, correct, and so they
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  Speaker 1: shut it down. Yes, And so the stairs were headed
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  Speaker 1: to some other emergency and the Air Canada plane hit
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  Speaker 1: the stairs. Okay, both pilots.
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  Speaker 2: Pilots died. I know. That's that's awful. I know awful.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and it's and it's obviously, you know, any.
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  Speaker 3: Loss of life is terrible, right, but it's not just that.
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  Speaker 3: It's also the repercussions of this accident. So I had
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  Speaker 3: a colleague who's supposed to fly in from somewhere. Now
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  Speaker 3: they're stuck where they are, and yeah, and they won't
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: be able to get back in until tomorrow. And I
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: mean and it's it's I think it also shows us
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: how fragile our infrastructure is for everything.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: And how reliable it is upon the federal government, right,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Like exact planes at LaGuardia, Yeah, and their success at
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: landing are directly connected to whether or not the federal
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: government has funding, right, Like, we can't just sort of
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: like break these pieces.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Apart now you can't.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: They're at an airport is directly due to the funding
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: bill being right paused. So I thought that was interesting.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: I mean TSA and ICE agents today. Today's we record
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: on Monday. So I've already made a couple of videos
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: today if you want to check them out online about
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: what's going on in airports. I've been reposting this is
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: very much breaking news. But TSA agents are not getting paid.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Some of them are still at airports in America. But
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: ICE agents are now going to be in American airports
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: as of today Monday right now.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Is the idea behind that to take the place of
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: the TSA agents that are not there, or is it
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: some other role that they're no going on?
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Fucking knows what they're supposed to be doing and what
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: they're doing there because they're supposed to I guess this
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: is be stop gap for staffing. I don't even think
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: the president could say why he has ICE agents in airports.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: They're supposed to be serving as TSA agents, but literally
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: it's the first day they're there, and we're already seeing
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: them arresting migrants in airports as he masked. Some are masks,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of them are not. And so there's videos
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: of them running away from photographers at the airport because
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: they don't want to be photographed. Gee, it's almost like
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: you're doing something they're not supposed to do that you
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: have to run away from a photographer. If you're running
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: away from a photographer, maybe you're not doing the wrong
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: You're doing the wrong thing.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you know, couldn't happen to better people
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: as far as I'm concerned.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: And the thing is is that I made a video
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: and about this is what if you're anyone other than
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: a US citizen, don't travel at least for a week
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: or two, see what happens. Let's just like we already
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: know every time these people in air quotes, people are
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: deployed to a city, that they do something they're not
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: supposed to do. Right, we already know. They don't care
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: about the Constitution. They don't care about the Fourth Amendment,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: they don't care about anyway. They don't care about your
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: First Amendment right. They can and will detain you if
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: you are just a person of color. They don't care.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: So everyone freaked out when I made that video, and
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: they were like, well, what about my trip? And I'm
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: on a contract and I'm supposed to go on a
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: cruise and my sister's cousin has to is on a
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: has to travel for work. I meant what I said, hmm,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: do not travel. I will, and I said it. I
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: will always be the most careful of the opinions of
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the voices in this space. My job is to keep
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: you out of removal proceedings. Once we're there, it's a
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: lot harder for me to help you. Right. There are
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: plenty of things I can do in immigration court and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: help you in a removal proceeding, but let's not let
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: it get there. Canceled the trip.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: There's a difference between like being taking a precaution and
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: being safe and having to like claw back and like
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: figure out, let's avoid an emergency situation if possible, no
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: matter how convenient so that is still what I suggest
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: people do, despite the overwhelming number of people who reached
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: out asking me about their specific situation.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Are you sure I am.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna me, I'm gonna I'm gonna double down. I'm
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: gonna tend toes down on this one and say, wait
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: two weeks and see what they're doing. It's day one
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and I'm already watching a woman being tackled in Oakland,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: so let's like take let's wait, let's wait. I want
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: to keep you safe. Sure, that is like where I'm
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: coming from here. So that was the one thing that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: was really all over my feed today. Yeah, Pam BONDI
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: though subpoena, good subpoena, good by Robert Garcia and good
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: She's like, I'm not doing it, which means eventually, if
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: you avoid subpoena, is enough a warrant for your.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: You get arrested. So you know what, don't go, Pam,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: don't go. I would love to see that photo. Now,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: wait to see this woman with no extensions, no filler
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: in an orange jumps out.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I've got a spot for you on my lock screen
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: when you're ready, when we get that photo, I would
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: love for that.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: You're going to take Jack off your screen for Pam.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: For Pam Bondy getting purp walked into. Absolutely, I would
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: take anyone. No one in my life is more important
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: than that visual. My husband will tell you, he'll agree.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Speaking of spouses, have you followed the Secret Lives of
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Mormon Lives Trauma this weekend?
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Oh it's not the chick who the bachelorette?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Throwing stools and taking names. So we've got what's
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: her name, Taylor Frankie Green.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: So these are not things that I watch right Like,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm not a bachelorette person. I'm not a Secret
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Housewives or anybody person, the secret house.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Of whatever it is. I this is just don't tell anyone.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I'm a stay at homest.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think are not things that I'm interested in.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: But again, if you're on social media, it came across
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: and I did. When I saw her throw in the stool,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I went back to look at this little thing, like,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: what is happening here?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: You know what I wonder?
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I I wonder because think about this is a huge franchise.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: It makes a ton of money, yes, and I wonder
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: who's going to lose their job over this?
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Because the person was not vetted.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: We found out it was Taylor Frankie Green because they
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: canceled The.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Bachelor, Right, but do you know what I'm saying?
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Like they you know, like I always wonder about that,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: like what what is the vetting process?
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: What are the questions that are asked or not asked?
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: No one is Yeah, yeah, well because no one's more
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: dangerous than a white woman on reality TV, Like that
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: is going to be the most treacherous person you're.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Going to meet, unless it's a white woman at your
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: job who's crying. Go ahead.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: That it's really real, you feel do you You seemed
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: like you had more to say on that something. No,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: that's all white women. I kyk, You've told me a
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: bit about these situations. Yeah, white women cry at work
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: and say that black women were being mean to them, or.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: They just cry like there's nothing like I mean, I've
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: had people crying my well, yeah, I've had people crying
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: my office. But they're crying in my office. But it
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: was me, Yeah, it was Michael. Michael was crying in
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: my office because he put what did you do?
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I got a migraine? I had a really bad migraine.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: But what did you do?
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: So we went to Alyssa, that's what right, And she
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, Alyssa, what do I take for migraines?
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Because she's a migraine girl all the time. And she
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: was like oh, and she opens up her purse and
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: she gave my four no four like Bob have now
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: polished tumble out along with like a couple of things
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: of like CBD right of like topical. And she's like,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: so you put them here, here, here and here they
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: were highly mentilated.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, it was peppermint oral or something, and Michael somehow
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: gets into his arm.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I put it on and then I rubbed my eyes.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: And now he's crying in my office on the floor.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at ling on the floor and I'm like,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: what Michael says, help me? So this is what I did.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: This is what I did, and I'm gonna sell you
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: how I knew what to do.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: But I I bring over my garbage pails and I
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: open a bottle of water.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: And now I'm waterboarding and I.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Look at this is I couldn't see much because I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: had a migrant and now I have oil in my eyes.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Now he's blind.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I do have a visual if Melissa looking at me
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and I do feel like, at one point year old,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: your eyes like I'm going to have to douche this
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: man's eyeball, Like I can't believe I'm doing.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: This at work, But you have to ask me, Melissa, Melissa,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: how do you know how to?
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: And everybody and my family knows this story.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: When my brother was about five years old, my brother
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: crazy glued his eye shut.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: No, this's a plot point on season two of The Pit.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: This happened did episode one.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my brother crazy glued his eye shut and my
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: mother my father was at work and my mother at
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: the time was in graduate school and she was doing
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: like her last thing and my and my brother comes
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: out and he's crying with one eye shut like this
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: bigger and then my mom looked at him and looked
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: at me, and she said to me, Melissa, fix you on.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: So I had to take my brother. So my brother
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: was like five, so I must have been like sixteen
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: years old. Tay my brother into the bathroom, and I
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: probably scalded the shit out of him because now I've
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: got his eye under hot water and I'm putting vaciline
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: on it, and I took a paper clip.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: To like pick off, but you know what, he's fine,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: can see again? He could see again.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: That's like full treo, is this is actually? Nurse Jackie like,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: this is.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I remember I remember once just talking to a therapist,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: but I wasn't talking about this because I was fine, right,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: But he was like, Melissa, that sounds very traumatizing, and
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I'm like, is it?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: This is like, this is like your jury story from
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: last week. You were underreacting to life babe and your
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: jury story last week. You were like, yeah, so yeah, anyway,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the mob stuffed this guy in a trunk and dragged
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: him across.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: It was this random yeah who stuck this poor man
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: and in the trunk of his car and.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Drove him across.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Was he okay?
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: What happened the man? Yeah, yeah, he's okay. He was okay,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: but that eye off, he didn't come out.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. What was what it was? For me?
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: What was boring was the process, right. It was lengthy,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: and nobody was like, I object. It was none of that.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: It was just like, oh, they were like and what
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: was he wearing? Any stuffed do in the trunk of
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the car, And you were like, God, this is get
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: me the fuck out.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: You're boring.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: No, I know. Okay.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Anyway, that's how I knew how to save Michael's eyes.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: So if you have an eye problem, I'm your girl.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Chief of Optalmology a brief Recess at iHeart Studios, Melissa Malbranches.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Oh good, all.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Right, we'll be right back. Let's take a break. I
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: do now my eye itches. As you say, a welcome
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: back to Brief resays, this is under oath. We're going
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to do a deep dive. We've got an incredible guest
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: on today's show. We have doctor Leslie Dobson. She's a
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: forensic clinical psychologist. She's worked with individuals and maximum security
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: suffering from severe mental illnesses. She does forensic evaluations, assesses
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: sexual abuse allegations, and focuses on the validity of post
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: injury emotional, cognitive, and behavioral functioning. Thank you for joining us,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: doctor Dobson. I thought it would be great to have
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you on the show today to talk a bit about
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: the Epstein files and what we've sort of seen happening
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: with the case in America. I know that you have
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: done a few of these interviews sort of talking about
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: is Epstein alive, what's happening with this autopsy? I would
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: love to just sort of get into it with you.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Melissa and I talk about this a lot, so this
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: is really an area of interest, especially as everyone is
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: learning more and more about these files as we sort
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: of dig into the actual documents.
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean my opinion would be now, I think
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: I would even testify to this that I opine to
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: the fact that he is still alive.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I think what's so interesting, right, There
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: are a lot of people on the internet who are
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: saying that, but I think you're one of the few
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: people who is drawing upon what I know from cross
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: examining and examining doctors and forensic texts in court. You're
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: really relying heavily upon your expertise in your area of practice.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: So I thought it would be cool if we could
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: sort of go through it a bit today and talk
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: about whether or not this report from his hanging ruled suicide,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: what brings true to you where you see the holes
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and errors in this case, I can.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: Draw upon a little bit of his attempted suicide a
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: few months prior as well.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into it.
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: We have to like take apart the trees, but we
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: have to see the forest for the trees at the
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: same time. And I think holding that duality is difficult
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: for people, and that's why there's so much controversy around
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: all this.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: And that's oftentimes what we're doing in court, right in
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: a criminal trial, Yes, we get the expert in on
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the really specific details. We're looking at the images, we're
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: looking at the autopsy report, but we also have to
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: look at the person. We have to look at the
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: corpus of the evidence, we have to look at the circumstances.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: We can't just look at one specific detail, right, So
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: why don't we get started. Let's do this full trial style.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Let's credential you as an expert. Tell us about who
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you are and your profession. Let's get right into it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: Oh okay, a little wa dere here. Yes, doctor Leslie
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: Dobson a real license psychologist, even though people on the
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: internet don't believe it.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: No, I have a bable believe I'm a lawyer either, So.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: It's fine, God forbid.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: We have personalities into our jobs. I got a bachelor's
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: degree in psychology. I have two master's degrees, one arguably
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: regrettable in Freudian dream interpretation psycho analysis. But I got
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: to travel a lot to do it. Yeah, and then
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: I have a doctorate in forensic psychology and a fellowship
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: in high risk sexual offenders.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you really are the expert in this space, then,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is really someone who has studied and
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: is credentialed as an expert in this field.
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: Definitely. I've testified in over fifty trials. I've been deposed
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: well over sixty times at this point, and I both
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: criminally and civilly. But I worked for the government for
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: a long time, which gave me access to the nasty
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: fuckers of this world. And then when there was a
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: hit on my life, I decided to go into civil
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: litigation and get out.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good for you. Yeah, to stay safe. It's
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: really hard to be a badass expert and also not
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: be alive.
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I can't carry my gun in there.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. So looking at the Epstein files, looking at
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the death of Epstein, the official ruling was suicide by hanging.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: What is your first response to hearing.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: That it doesn't make sense. The bone breaking does not
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: line up with typical hangings by suicide. The way that
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: it looked on his neck, how it was angled, is
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: not how it should have been. It should have been
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: angled upward, looking at the grid where he allegedly had
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: hung himself. I've responded to hangings, and in state hospital systems,
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: you don't take the person down. You do not immediately
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: try to save them because they may be trying to
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: kill you. It could be a trick. So you always
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: wait for a second person to arrive and before you
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: save their life. It's really fucked up, I know. But
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: your safety is more important than theirs.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Interesting, and so that's protocol.
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: Oh, it's protocol. You do not singularly break up a fight.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: You do not singularly do anything that has potential risks
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: violence to you.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And you would say that that's kind of like an
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: industry standard that everyone is on the same page about that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: Yes, I mean that's the Department of State Hospital Training.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, wow, Okay, that's incredible.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: And so that's really interesting.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Actually, So if you are an employee at a prison
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: or something and you walk into a cell and you
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: see the person, as far as you can tell, the
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: person is still alive because there's movement, you are not
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: permitted to cut that person down. You have to wait
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: for your partner to come. So by the time that
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: person comes.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Right, that that person might actually be.
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: Dead, right, And you know if I break the glass
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: and I get the cut scissors and I pull my
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: alarm and the alarms are going off, and I go
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: in and cut him down. What if he wraps his
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: legs around my neck and breaks my neck? There's violence
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: every single day.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I could. That's right, it could be a trick. Wow,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: that's amazing. I didn't really think of that.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: But sad we have to live in the defensive way,
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: but they brutalize us as employees in the state hospital
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: system every single day.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Wow. Right, So in the SEO, what happened. The guard
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: did cut him down. The guard took him down.
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: Right, and it was high enough up that you would
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: have seen a line, right, it would have had an
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: upward trajectory. When you self asphyxiate, you're going to be
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: forward facing, and that's how it was described. And then
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: the rope would be up behind him or the teared
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: torn towel. Now, the first time he tried it, it
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: wasn't successful. I haven't seen pictures of the first time,
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: but it was a similar description. And then the second
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: time somebody would have come in, there would have been
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: two people coming in. Oddly, the cameras glitched the first
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: suicide attempt and the second. That's so strange, right, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: so you would cut the rope and then you would
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: immediately start CPR.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: So what happened in this situation? Then with Jeffrey Epstein?
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Did they do follow any of those protocols?
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: From what I read, they cut him down and he
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: had already died. I don't know if they I hadn't
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: read anything about CP And there was no alteration to
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: his rib cage or his muscles where you would, you know,
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: you could usually break some ribs, you mess stuff up,
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: you'd have some significant bruising with real CPR.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: And before he allegedly committed suicide, there were issues with
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: his body that were not present in the autopsy report.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, he had small testes.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I'm kidding.
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: The fake body had small testes.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, So Michael, control yourself, she said, the fake body, right, So,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: but do.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: You think that because I'll tell you. When I had
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: heard that Epstein had died, had died by suicide, my
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: first inclination was he didn't die by suicide.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Somebody killed him.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: That is that is that was as opposed to me
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: believing that he wasn't dead, that the whole thing was
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: a hoax. I was like, he didn't kill himself, somebody
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: killed him. So but you're telling us that your belief
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: is that he is not dead at all.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: Yes, and not only from ripping apart the autopsy. Talking
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: to morticians, you know the yah one of the doctors
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: who's been doing this for fifty years and said, how
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: bizarre this is. Okay, that could lend to murder. Sure,
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: but now we're looking at this massive Epstein network and
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: international network, pulling in the KGB and Israel and Norwegian assets.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: You don't think this guy had the power to know
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: he was going to go to jail and then get out.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, the prison guard got five grand before they
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: even knew he was going there. His estate won the
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: eighty million dollars Powerball a week after he went into prison.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: It's there's just too much information to say that he
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: didn't have his wherewithal did just get out of prison.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Melissa and I are looking at each other like this
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: is believable. Yeah.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: You know I was saying this to Michael earlier. You know,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I listened to an interview that you gave recently. And
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: I think the thing about it is that we don't
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: want to believe that any of this is true.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying, In the sense of, like,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: you know, listening.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: To this idea that Ebstein and his cronies they were
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: cannibalizing people, right, it's one of those things that you
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: want to believe is so far fetched that it couldn't
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: possibly be true. Same thing with this idea that you know,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: he was so powerful that he knew all the right
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: people in all the right places to like smuggle him
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: out somehow, it sounds like something that is made up.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: It sounds like something that you've seen on the big screen, right,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: because we've seen movies where somebody's going to do like
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: a prison break and they fake their death, they cart
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: the body out in the coffin of someone else. You know,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: we've seen those stories before. But this idea that this
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: is something similar ish happened here, it feels so unbelievable
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: that you want to believe that.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: It's not true. Does that makes sense?
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: Well I do, And I think it's you know, it's
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: hyper normalization. I think the dump of the data was
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: purposeful and the amounts were purposeful. There are images that
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: have been taken offline that were there. So I think
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: they wanted to quickly shut everyone up and then bomb
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: Iran and hope it went away. And you know, I
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: do believe that we distract in politics, and it's true.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: It's too convenient, right, I mean, every time we hear
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: about a dumper about images or a really damning email,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: suddenly it's taken down off of the website and then.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: There's some other calamity elsewhere that happens to sort of
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: you know, they're like they're trying to bait and switch us, right, like, oh,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: look at this other shiny thing.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, don't focus on this thing, right, It.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Makes too much sense often, right, And I think that
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I know that recently they there have been some subpoenas
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: that have gone out for people to testify for guards
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that were there the night of this alleged suicide. Can
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: you speak to that a little bit?
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: Correc so that the House Oversight Committee has subpoenaed at
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: least one of the guards who was there that night,
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: and in particular, she has received payments from the Epstein
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: estate in amounts of five thousand dollars.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: That is not that much money done, like that is
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: not enough to cover up that.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: It feels like that's not enough money for this person
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: to risk all of this, Right, five.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Thousand dollars you're dealing with really dangerous and you'll get
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: five thousand dollars right, Like, it just feels right.
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: So then what was the money for? How many? How
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: many times did she get it?
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: Are there multiple accounts? Do we know she's a good
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: person to question?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I five thousand dollars is usually at the amount that
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't flag too much attention in bank statements. Oftentimes in
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: cases I've dealt with, it's usually you want to like
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: people are keeping transfers on the smaller side because it
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't trigger any sort of IRS scrutiny.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I thought it was under ten thousand, yeah, like nine thousand, yeah,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: on the lower scale, right, I.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: Mean ten thousand is the limit to go to Mexico.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: But now you're telling us how to do it, not
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: the how to guide.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: So do we believe as far as this particular prison
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: guard that it was only a one time five thousand
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: dollars payment? And have they been able to explain why
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: did she get that five thousand dollars at all?
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: She hasn't spoken to it. She hasn't explained. They haven't explained,
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: but it's in his financial records that were exposed, and
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: Congress plans to ask about it, Okay, you know. And
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: then he also he also purchased two ambulances shortly before.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: And then there's another prison guard who sent an email
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: that's in the files and the FBI referenced it. I
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: think he used four chan or discord to state that
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: they moved a body in at midnight, right when the
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: cameras got out.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I saw about that, yeah, and so okay, so we
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: have these little dribbling bits of evidence that are sort
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: of like dropping in here and there. What do you
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: think happened? Like, what is your hypothesis?
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: I would just assume he walked out with his friends
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: and they brought in another body. And that's why we
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: have three doctors who did the autopsy with varying information.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: And now he's had plastic surgery, changed his face and
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: living in Russia.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean again, it just sounds like one
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: of those things that you don't want to believe is
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: true because it sounds like something that you would see.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: In But then when you lay the evidence out, it
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: does make a little too much sense, right, I mean,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: an extremely powerful person involved with other really powerful people,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: who is now in a relatively low security prison situation.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it does kind of make sense.
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: I mean, when Charlie Sheen came into La County Jail,
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: he was on a wonder one. It's fucking Charlie Sheen, Like,
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: we could not take our eyes off him. Right, You
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: don't leave someone like Jeffrey Epstein alone for a second.
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: You have a one to one eyes on you are.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: You're writing on a little log all your fifteen minute
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: check ins. You know, you're documenting everything that wasn't happening.
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: That's completely unimaginable.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: And he was technically classified as someone who was supposed
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: to be on suicide watch because.
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: He had just tried.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, was he on suicide watch
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: before the previous attempt or once that attempt?
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: It was after that?
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: It was after that after that, Okay, months prior. You know,
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: we could say, you know, he had a little practice,
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: he got better at it and succeeded. But it doesn't.
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: It doesn't look like an actual suicide to the doctors
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: who for fifty years haven't been investigating hangings and dead.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: By There's been a lot of talk in the Epstein
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: files about cannibalism and people eating people, and I know
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: that you've worked on cases that involve cannibalism in the past.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Could you talk a little bit about those cases and
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: sort of your experience and how that applies here.
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: Sure, I've had patients, all of they've all had mental illness,
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: severe mental illness, from schizophrenia arranging to if you want
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: to say psychopathy is a mental illness, we would call that.
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: We would say they had antisocial personality disorder and narcissistic
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: personality disorder, and then we would give them the psychopathy inventory.
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: They would rank high and then that's how it would
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: determine it, because it's not a diagnosis. But between both
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: of those individuals. I have come across many in the
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: state hospital system, in jails and prisons, and especially at
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: Coalinga State Hospital. That's where we hold the sexually violent
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: predators in California who have eaten people for avariety of reasons.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think so there's kind of three categories
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: of cannibalism. It would be the survival you know, airplane crash,
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: we got to eat people to survive, the Yellow Jackets
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: right right, that should freak me out more than meeting
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: them in real life. But that, and then we have
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: the ritualistic, satanic, ritualistic, and.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: We see that a lot in pop culture. We see
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: that on TV, we see that in movies, right right.
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: And then you know what is cannibalism is drinking blood?
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: Under that category, we don't really have the ca real
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: definition for what it is. Is it if you cook it,
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: does it? It doesn't count? But then you have the
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: more psychotic.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Yes answer, Yes, if you cook a person doesn't count.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Of course, why is that? I don't even understand why
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: that's a.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Question the lawyer I should have asked that just for
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: everyone watching, if yes accounts.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: I'm like very stuck on this. I can't believe that
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: that's a question. Who asked that question? Get them in
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: the studio.
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: If they ask me these questions all the time.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: You know what I cooked it, it don't count, you
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: know it?
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Just again, it just sounds so wild, right that people
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: are asking questions like that.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: It's easier to be like, y'all are crazy, discredit the
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: person giving you the information because the information.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Is so ridiculous.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: But it's one of these things that, Like, I mean,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: that's happened throughout history, right, We've always had people discrediting
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: and saying that you're crazy for saying that, and then
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: fifty years later everyone's like, oh, yeah, no, they were
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: right right in prison Galileo.
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: And I fully grasped that there are targeted smear campaigns
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: and Hillary Clinton and Pizzagate. You know, nobody kind of
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: believed it, and maybe they used that, you know, as
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: a political attack. But there's also very real elite individuals
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: and satanic rituals that drink blood and kill children on
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: purpose and eat parts of their body that tax in America,
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: well largely in other countries. I mean, I didn't think
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: we'd hear about it so much in the Ebsteine files,
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: but the for thousands of years they've been doing this
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: in these rituals and these you know, private clubs. You
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: could say, I don't.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Know, this is too crazy, it is crazy.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: But I just I'm wondering what is what is the purpose?
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Like why why is this the thing? Right? You have
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: this very elite group of people, there's this club.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: And you know, and I always wonder, like, where is
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: someone in life where they decide that that's the thing
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: that I'm going to do to get you to join
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: my club. And then the other person was like, yeah,
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: that's a good idea. I'm gonna I'm going to do that.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Whatever happened to annual dudes? You know, like whatever happened
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: to be? Whatever happened to typing?
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Well but no, but seriously, I am curious, like what
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: is what is the purpose of I mean, I think,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: let's say that I choose to accept this notion of
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: a ritual. Okay, I may disagree, but I accept that
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: that's what it is. But this idea of belonging to
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: a like this elite club or this elite group of people,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: what is.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Based on what? You know?
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: What is the reasoning behind this? Why would somebody think
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: that that's what you need to do.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: I think with the Epstein case, and it's this is
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: different than a lot of the cannibals that I've met.
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: But with the Epstein case, youth and life longevity were
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: a big thing. Right. He was trying to make the
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: perfect baby, you know, a Drena.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Crown, all this designer babies or.
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: The designer babies, right, But I think, so you've got
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: the longevity, But then I think you have to really
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: think about the spirituality and the ritualistic nature of people,
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: and that human sacrifice has been a thing throughout the
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: history of humans and when you reach that group or
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: that level in that sacrificial moment is going to bring
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: you to that next level of religiosity. In my mind, delusion,
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: But they believe it.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: And so as you're sort of looking at the Epstein case,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: at the everything that happened in the prison where he
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: was being held, and now this autopsy report, what really
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: stands out to you, is there anything else in that
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: autopsy report where you're like, this is totally something that
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: people need to be talking about that they're not picking
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: up on.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: His prostate was there in the box, but in the
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: files they said his prostate was removed. They said his
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: urethrow was on one side of the tip of his
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: penis oddly placed, and his penis was egg shaped. That
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: wasn't noted in the autopsy of the body that they
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: determined was his. There are tattoos, and people argue saying
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: he had stick on fake tattoos. He did. He also
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: had real tattoos that weren't noted in the autopsy. And
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: then we have the more conspiracy not that we're already
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: in it, but of his nose changing, his eye shape,
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: changing his lips, his ears. I mean, people have gone
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: to town comparing his ear lobes. I don't know how
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: if your ears changed when you die.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: But there's a photo of him after his death where
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: it almost looks like he's smirking. It looks like a
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: faked photo of him. In the cell.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of AI. Yeah, there's definitely AI, like
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: you know. And then we've got Palm Beach Pete who's
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: getting a lot of attention lately, who looks just like him.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this guy in Palm Beach who's been driving
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: around in a convertible and he looks exactly like Jeffrey
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Impstein and everyone sees him and is freaking out. It
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: looks just like him.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Wow, our producers just showed it. Wow. Okay, Well.
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: He's using it to his benefit yeaheah Yeah.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: So where do you see all this?
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Heading?
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Right? Like, we've got so many we have more questions
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: than answers when it comes to the files. Will there
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: be some sort of accountability in this case? Because it's
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: so clear this administration wants this shut down. They don't
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: want to talk about it. They want everyone to move on,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: and every time they do that, everyone just starts looking
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: at it closer.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Right, give him more attention.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I think also asking why in other
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: countries people are going to jail, they are losing their jobs,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: you know, right, what's his name got unprinted or whatever
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: you call it.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've removed him.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: From right, So there are people who are.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Feeling the repercussions of just having known this man, whereas
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: in this country nothing, it feels like nothing is happening.
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: I think there's actually a lot more happening than people
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: know about. I mean, the UK is now demanding unreducted
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: files so that they can investigate inmate Andrew, So that
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: will move forward. Let's see if they get the files,
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: let's see if they get pushed back. But other countries
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: may need to help us out in that regard and
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: start trying to obtain the information themselves. But I think,
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: you know, and tell me if I'm wrong, because I'm
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: not the lawyer. But I think the key is building
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: a rico. You know. I think we've got to start
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: from the bottom up. We have doctors who have a
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: lot of information that are still practicing at in Ohio,
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: at UCLA, Princeton, Stanford. We have dentists, we have groundskeepers,
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: we have a chef.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Columbia University Medical Center. There as someone who was affiliated
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: with Epstein and the women that he abused, and she
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: was a doctor who would treat the women. Right. I
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: mean this has been a long standing, intricate network of professionals,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: business people who were all a part of this network.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: It's not just one person.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Right, It's not just him, and just like Glaine Gallain, yeah, right.
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: So if you I think it was I think it
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: was stupid to depose the Clintons.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think they intended to depose the Clintons.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I think they said, oh, we're going to depose them,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: thinking that they were going to say no. And then
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton snapped off her press on nails and took
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: off her earrings and Chris hostomped, grabbed post stomped right
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: into fucking yeah.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: And she dropped up Bill and was like listen, yeah,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: she said.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Buckle up, Buttercup, Like, I don't think people thought that
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: they were going to testify.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Did you did you listen to it? I did?
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: End right after they agreed to testify. We've got a
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: clip of Trump being like, oh, you know, I always
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: liked respected Bill. I thought he was a nice It's.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Like right after he was like, you better, you better.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Testify, And then they asked him after Bill said yes,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: he was like, you know, he's always been such a
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: nice guy to me.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: He's a strong president.
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: I mean Hillary, Yeah, she showed that she was like
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: a rock star, telling them that they were all idiots
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: and how a lawyer. You know, you want to set
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: up a pattern, you want a corner, me, let me
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: help you out.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: But then Bill, I mean utterly pointless until the moment
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: he saw the pictures. Yeah, and then the admiration for
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: those pictures told the world he's been on that island,
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: and he had some more guests.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, really yeah, he was a little bit too
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: excited to do a walk down memory Lane. Well, and
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: the other thing was an island.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: What I thought was super interesting about this because I
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: watched it was his attorney was sitting next to him
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: and at one point she grabbed the pictures enough.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, But it was more like give this
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: to me, you know what I mean. It was it
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: was more like that. It was more like you stupid
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: You got to keep this form guys. You got to
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: keep these photos away from him too much.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: I wonder with the work that you do, it's you know,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: it's a very heavy emotional lift. How do you take
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: care of yourself? Because I feel like so. One of
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: the things I'll say is that I have, at one
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: point or another, started and stopped to look at the
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Epstein files that I see online, and it is overwhelming.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: It is overwhelming for me. And similarly, I was listening
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: to this interview that you gave and again I had
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: to stop. I picked it up again, but I had
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: to stop because it's overwhelming, and I just wonder you
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: are doing this work, this really hard, necessary work, because
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: somebody needs to tell us what's happening. Right.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: How do you take care of yourself? How do you
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: have the appetite for this?
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: I eat a lot of beef jerky. No, I'm my
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: husband's a psychologist. I do pilates a lot. I love melates.
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: I think it's better than meditation. Having to hold yourself
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: in the air and not die is phenomenal to get
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: out of your head. But I've had great mentors, and
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: I've had great training and I've learned over time to
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: leave work where work should lay, and I have active cases.
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: Now I have two reports that are going to trial,
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: and I have to finish them this week, so I
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: have my own distractions, even though they're still dark. There's
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: still the rape cases. There are difficult cases.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: But we win.
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: I win all the time. I win settlements for people.
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: I bring justice to victims. I close schools, I take
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: money from the Catholic Church, I close dioceses. I put
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: people behind bars, and every moment of that erases the
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: trauma I endured to get there, and every child I save.
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: I just did a Hey international case, a child abduction case.
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: So now I'm working all around the world, and ninety
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: nine percent of those cases fail. The kids get sent
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: back to the violent parent. We won. I got heard
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: well enough, I tested everyone psychologically well enough to explain,
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: and that to me, those winds make it worth it.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Sure, No, it's just you know, I just can't imagine it,
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: and I don't know. I feel like I want to
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: say thank you because it just feels like really really difficult, constantly,
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: like uphill work.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you get a lot of pushback on the
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: internet for your videos or from other experts, even because I.
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah nottimes, not from other experts. Independent journalists do
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: like to write hit pieces on me and like the
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: Wall Street Journal things like that. But other experts were
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: in line with how we view this, and we support
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: each other. But I get a lot of death threats
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: and those aren't from experts. Those are just from people.
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: So you know, I have a dog sent from Serbia
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: who speaks German, I conceal and carry, you know, I
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: have people that watch me. So yeah, I have to
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: take tractrations.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, So in your opinion, as you're sort
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: of looking at the overall Epstein situation, and I just
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: want to ask, like, and you it sounds like you
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: have a lot of experience with these types of systematized
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: abduction of children. What are you seeing here in this
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: case right as an expert in this area of practice, Like,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: what are you really seeing as you observe the Epstein
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: situation from the outside.
• 56:45
  Speaker 6: I'm seeing the world drastically trying to normalize the age
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: of consent, to minimize pedophilia and to minimize the severity
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: of child trafficking across the world. And you know, a
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: lot of people hate on Tim Tebow. I don't know
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: much about him, but his organization has done a phenomenal
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: job really pointing out trafficking and the dangers of it.
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: They put money behind it. The statistics are really solid.
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: You know, if you were to google it, you might
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: see one hundred thousand kids missing in America a year.
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: I'd say it's well over three hundred thousand. Where the
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: fuck are they all going? Yeah, you know I've had
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: people sell their children. I mean, that's how a Lot
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: got to Epstein was they sold their child for the day,
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: a lot with the hope of becoming someone becoming famous.
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: You know, white people went to the Playboy mansion and
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: then got trafficked. But a lot of parents, you know,
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: the most likely person to traffic a child is the
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: biological father. And trafficking doesn't mean gone for good. It
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: could just mean sell for an hour. Right, we have
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: to see what we also have to understand what this
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: term trafficking means. Right.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: A lot of people think it's some sort of like.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: The person has disappeared somehow, right, Yeah.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Which is sometimes the case.
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: Sure, and these girls had babies. We don't know where
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: the babies went, but a lot of the survivors who
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: still have not been interviewed by Pam Bondi or the
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: DOJ have a lot to say, and they all have
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: open investigations. And that's, you know, that's the movement we're
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: not seeing. That's movement we can't see because they are
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: actively going through these cases.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Two things I want to ask you, so have you
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: had an opportunity to speak to Epstein victims and to
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: hear what they say and to document what they say
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: many many okay? And what happens with that information? Are
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: you just holding on to it or is there a plan?
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Because I think that's one of the things that I
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: think about quite a bit, and I've talked about this
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: with some friends, Like I feel like we're not hearing
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: enough from victims and is that because they want to
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: protect themselves or are they being stifled?
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: They're terrified of being sued for billions of dollars because
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: we're talking about billionaires coming together with billionaires, and also
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: they have open investigations going on, and so they can't
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: tamper with the investigations. So when I do talk to them,
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: I get limited information. Of course, it's not going to
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: harm any of their cases, but I text a lot
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: of congress and I've been able to get a lot
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: of their cell phone numbers, and I will just rage text.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people on the internet
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: would like to rage text cons.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Do you get responses from them at all? Is anybody
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: responding to you?
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, definitely. I mean I think out here in California,
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: Robert Garcia has been incredible. I think Eric Swalwell has
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: been incredible with this. You know, Eric Swawall voted to
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: have the congressional what sexual harassment stuff exposed? When so
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: many people voted against that. Yeah, that was very strange
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: to me, Like a ton of women voted against congressional
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: sexual harassment allegations exposed.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I saw that. That was unbelievable. And then it was
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: like one of those things whereas the next day no
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: one was talking about it anymore.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they made it exact way.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: And this is sort of my sorry, my last question
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: for you. And I don't even know if you could
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: really answer this question, but a few minutes ago you
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: said something about how, you know, we're trying to sort
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: of normalize pedophilia and sort of have it sort of
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: become more acceptable. Why do you think that we are
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: this way, because when I think about it, immediately I
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: repulsed and I'm like, oh, that person belongs under the jail, Like,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: get rid of this person forever. Why do you think
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: that there is this tendency to either go easy on
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: these people, because it seems like if there was something
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: we should all rally around is the protection of children, right,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: people who are innocent? You know these are I mean
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: they're babies, they're kids. Why do you think that we
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: have such a hard time in throwing down the Gauntland
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: and saying absolutely not.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: Because you can only sell drugs once, but you can
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: sell a child's body over and over again. So that's
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: in an email in the files.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: So it's money.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: It's money.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: It's money.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: It's not you and I. Right, we're not. I don't
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: know if you guys are billionaires. I'm not. But you
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: know I don't own giant corporations. I didn't start Victoria's Secret.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: It's them, it's Les Wexner.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well, thank you for coming on the show.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: On that note, Yeah, it was really lighthearted.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on. Do you have anything you
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: want to plug, anything you want to promote. I know
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: you have a book, out you want to maybe.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: Mention that, Oh it's kind of more like a pamphlet.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: But I did write a small book on setting boundaries.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: With your friends.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: Maybe you should set boundaries with the Epstein files.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, anything you want to plug and where can we
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: find you on the internet.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: And the book's called The Friend Cleanse if anyone really
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 6: does want to set boundaries with their with their friends,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: toxic friends, but on Instagram and TikTok, if I'm not
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 6: violated because of ebscene. And then my website, it's good
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: to check my website. I'm going to be co producing
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: several television shows and hopefully getting my own show soon,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: and so you know, just check back and see what's happening.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: But also I encourage everyone to vote, and you can
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: go on my website and you can see where I
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: have a link to the Courage candidates and thother candidates
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: that are running for Congress who have a fucking background.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: That's great. We love that.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: We love that.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I would love to check that out. Thank you for
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: calling that to our attention. All right, well, thank you
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: so much for wonder.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Really, this was really interesting. Nice
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: to meet you. Nice to meet you, Leslie thanks, take care.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: That was I mean, and even me and I see
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: all this shit in court all the time, and I'm
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: still like, this is too much for me to hand.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: It's one thing to sort of know that there are
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: bad people out there, right, but this is this is
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: beyond people.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: I think we always think of the villain as like
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: the guy with the sche mask holding the bag of
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: money with the dollar prints printed on. It's the burlap bat.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: And this is like, oh no, it's actually like the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: billionaires of America together in this network of like hedonistic heedophilic,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: like and there's also covers. It's just like, not only
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: are you being asked to believe and I'm not saying
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: that I don't believe her, No, no, no, Not only
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: are you being asked to believe that people are so
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: disgusting and awful that they would do something like that.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Depravity is what institutionalized, and the institutions are compromised as
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: part of it, right, Like these systems are run so
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: deep that they're a part of that. The prison system
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: could be part of a cover up Like that is
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: just like so shocking and unbelievable, and people to really
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: digest that. So the Epstein file drop. I think that
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: was strategic, right, they released everything at once so the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: public was overwhelmed, and then it would the news cycle.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: They'd be constantly competing with the news cycle. Yeah, that
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: was crazy. I'm shook.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: I actually don't. I don't quite know how to feel,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? I'm like disturbed, but
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: also like again, and it's not that I don't believe her,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: it's more like my mind is blown that these people
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: walk among us, right, that these are people. And I
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: had seen something somewhere where somebody was like, we should
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: be looking really hard at anybody who's a billionaire, because
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: if you are a billionaire, there's something that you did
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: that is not on the up and up, and that's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: how you got that.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if I believe that to.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Be true, but it would sort of correlate with what
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: you're saying, right, like, these are these it's the people
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: at the very very top who have all this money
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: and therefore have all this power and they're able to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: get away with doing these types of things.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Right. It's like I think about this a lot in
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: like a legal context when it comes to a class
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: action lawsuit and I get a check in them out
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: for three dollars for something horrific that a company did,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, this is just like a rounding
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: error in their budget. Like justice for them was like, uh,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: was like a decimal point that they misplaced on a
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: spreadsheet somewhere. We imagined that billionaires in America got there
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: because they were smart and talented and not crazy. Right,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: that's actually I think we're learning not true.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: No, don't. I actually don't think that.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's true either. But I think for
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, they assume, oh, if you're a billionaire,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: you're really wealthy and successful, it's because you were smart
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: enough to do it to get there. But I don't.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: I think we're a sort of culture is realizing that
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: that is not at all the cases, not the case.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: That's actually a lot of billionaires can be crazy and
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: psychotic and not smart and actually really stupid. So I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: think that's what we're sort of rubbing up against here.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: This is tails from the dams. We're going to answer
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: all the KOOKI creat is the wild things you send
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: me in my DMS and Melissa DMS friends.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: What I always say while Michael is a lawyer. He's
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: not your lawyer, so get your own ready. Okay, I'm
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: going to read this onecause I think is really funny.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: So these are reviews that people left.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: These are These are reviews, and if you.
• 1:06:19
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• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or Spotify, we will read some of your
• 1:06:25
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• 1:06:26
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• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: and we appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready.
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  Speaker 3: So this is from the episode that we had with
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: Yanna from America's Next Top Model, and this is from Laurie.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Laurie says, sorry, I hate to be that bitch, but
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: it's barkeeper's friend, which I'm not sure one would use
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: on liquisite. It's for metal, which would scratch the enamel CODINGLA.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: I think she says sorry to be that bitch. I
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: don't think she's sorry. I I'm that bitch too, So
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sisterhood Laurie.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: But Laurie does redeem herself and says the following, I
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: love Michael and Melissa's friends in real life energy. They
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: brighten my Thursdays.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Thanks Laurie, I will.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: And that is a good point though, because it wails scratch.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: I think there's metal in Barkeep's friend, and that's like
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: the exfolian that you're using to get up, so you
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: don't want.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: To use that. Maybe I was also not calling it
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: by the right name.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: It was probably like Barkeeper's bestie or something. I don't know,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: something I probably was.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I correct people all the time too, though, So if
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: I have something in my teeth, Melissa will be like
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: you always I have to. Well, I was pounding that
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: almond croissant earlier, okay, and I had powdered sugar all
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: over me.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't catch it, but I caught it, okay, and
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  Speaker 1: I knew, but I was like, if.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't catch you had a little something on your use.
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  Speaker 1: It stuck in my stubble and Almossa caught it before
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  Speaker 1: we started rolling. Yeah, that's so Laurie. We're right there
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  Speaker 1: with you, honey, Laurie. Okay. This is a heated rival
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: reclip when we were talking doing a deep dive compeated rivalry.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: This is from Jessica. Jessica just says one line. Scott
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  Speaker 1: absolutely bottoms once in the show after Kip gives him.
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  Speaker 2: The socks, which is that all it took.
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  Speaker 1: He gave him socks and he immediately bottoms. But I
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: will say he doesn't bottom in the books. He does,
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  Speaker 1: so he's not first in the books. So that's what
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  Speaker 1: I was saying, that the Old Testament and the New
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  Speaker 1: Testament are different.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it happens.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay, it happens. I who among us hasn't bottomed
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  Speaker 1: after receiving a parasolic?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, some people don't even get sucks.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: That's true. A lot of people are bottoming for nothing.
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  Speaker 3: I love this because it feeds right into Michael's vanity.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: So this is from every woman has a man in
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: their past who made them crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I stand by this.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Red Rose says, this camera and lighting is so amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all look like AI.
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  Speaker 1: Thank oh, hell yeah, thank you? Oh my god. We
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: did a full He explained all the lightings before we dive.
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  Speaker 1: Because I and I want to know. I want to
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  Speaker 1: know what it looks like. I went to Sephoria. I said,
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  Speaker 1: give me the stuff for the camera. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: this stuff for every day. Every day I'm seeing friends own.
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  Speaker 5: No makeup look. I want the makeup look. I don't
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: want the no makeup blod but I also had to today.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: I had to stop Michael Inness. I'm like, you're going
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: to look a little too dusty. Dusty. We don't want
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: that little Corpsey a little. We don't want cop not
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: the true Blood. No, okay. And then one more, This
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: is from Madame Lexi. These were a fun enjoying the show.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: Love their New Yorkiness.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: If you know, you know it's true, it's true.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: My dad's even more New Yorkie than I am.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I when I grew up Long Island, Long
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Islands Island, and when I talk to him sometimes I'm like,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: oh my God, like it's just to come out of me.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, interesting, Keep it up, Devus, keep it up.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Diva Divah. This one's subject Diva. Michael and Meliss are
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: so good together. It's so funny. Diva is my new
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: vocal stem. That is, I I want to make a
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: ring tone, but I don't know how to do it
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: of the Diva ring tone, and then it's going to
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: go off in court.
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  Speaker 2: Well, make sure it doesn't, Michael.
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  Speaker 1: You know me, and you know I'm not going to
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: make sure. I'm gonna I'm gonna forget to do really
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: my zero went off during this show recording and when
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: I was out in LA. It's just a normal Apple one.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: I feel like I could make it though, we could.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: You could probably do that.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: We'll get the head attack in here.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: I have a ring tone.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: I have like ring tones for everybody. You do, Yeah,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: yours is just regular. Yours is the my ring tone
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: for everybody. For the gen pop is?
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: What's it for your mom?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: A door bell? Oh she's here? Yeah? My brothers is.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: There was this song a long time ago called your
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: little brother. Okay, so that for him?
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: Andres is it sounds like a computer, like a robot.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because he's a robot. Yeah, he's speaking of Ai. No,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: it's true, he is. Yeah, No, I get it. So
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: we talked about the needle squishies last week.
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  Speaker 2: Did you get it?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: So I went back to the store. Well, I saw
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: that sign and before I could even get inside, I
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: look down. There is a red dot laser pointed directly
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: at my chest. I'm not kidding, okay, And I look
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: up about six hundred meters away. There she is the
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: owner of the store, sniped me, huh. But on the door,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I'm this is serious. This Bard series now on the door.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: There's a sign that says, if you want a nido,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: don't come in here, get lost, get ben and it
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: said it said no more needles. And the FedEx delivery
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: that I kept. She kept telling me come back for
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: the FedEx delivery. It said missing. The FedEx delivery is missing.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: So I think one of these little rascally youths stole
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: the needle package probably, and it's just wild in selling
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: in the trunk. Hey man, I got needles for you
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: don't have to.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: Really do you want? I think that's what you are?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: They all are? They all clear?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: No, they're different colors. Because she had one sample one
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: and she held it up like the Hope diamond. You
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: know how they do about an auction. It was kind
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: of like that she had. She had art handlers. Yeah,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: she's holding it up really, And so I sent the
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: photo to my niece, who cannot be satiated. There is
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: no there's no under. An eleven year old isn't going
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: to under. She's like, I don't care find it. She's
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: like get in there, Sue, Like what are you going
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: to do to get.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: The handle it?
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: When Michael and bradw this look my favorite Metaline story
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: when Michael and Brad were getting married.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: They were a little bit late, and I was talking
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: to Madeline.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: And we relate to the ceremony.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were late to the ceremony, and it was.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: There was a whole drama because I left Brad's suit
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: in the city and it was a destination wedding, so
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: he did not About thirty minutes before we've got two
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: undre people assembled, we realized we don't have his suit.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: We have like jeans and a T shirt and I'm
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: dressed like this. So it really was like a rags
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: to riches story that we were getting. We put him
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: in a cab and sent him to like a nearby
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: suit store, right like local on Long Island, and I
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: called ahead of time and I spoke to the woman,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: and this woman with such excitement she had been waiting
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: her whole life to receive the call an emergency gay wedding.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: She was ready. She was seriously. I think there was
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: like a button on the desk that she hit and
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: like the wall behind her, oh yeah yeah, And like
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: there were of clothing and she's like what size, and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: she had them hemmed and ready to go. By the
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: time he got there, it was ready and he was
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: at the ceremony two minutes late.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: Right, But according to Madeline, I was like Madeleine, where
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: are they?
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: And she was like, I don't think they're coming.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: She was like four or five years old, and.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: She was going around telling people we weren't coming to
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: our own wedding.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: They're not coming, but like, but like I need for
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: people to understand. Like she was this little bitty things
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: glasses and like so cute, but also like like she's
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: like I really think so, like standing steadfast in her conviction.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: They were not coming to the wedding. I don't think
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: they're going to make And then I asked her to
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: spin and she did, Yeah, she's like, this is my party.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Actually, I was.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: Like, it's been for me. She did, but they're not coming.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: All right. So if someone messaged me directly on the
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Internet asking me about I don't know that that's so weird,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: like I was Grinder or something that wasn't it was
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: the Internet. I just want to keep them anonymous. They said, Hey, Diva,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: I would like to remain anonymous. Thank you for keeping
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: think you for not sending me your social Security number
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: like some people. Do you have any information about EAD renewals.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: So an EAD is an employment authorization document that immigrants
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: use so they can work. For TPS holders who are
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: from L Salvador, so TPS temporary Protected status. It's basically
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: like a ruling that USCIS Customs says, hey, if you're
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: from this country, you get sort of like temporary status.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: We're not going to deport you right away. So this
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: person has TPS from L. Salvador and they have an
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: EAD renewal. The TPS is still valid until September, but
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: the eed expired March ninth, so they're trying to figure
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: out what to do when TPS is still ongoing but
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: the eed expired. So if that's the case, you can
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: reapply for a new EAD. But I do think you
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: might have mixed up this question because from my understanding,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: TPS for El Salvador is still in effect until September
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: ninth this year, twenty twenty six. So if your EAD
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: has expired, you can apply for an EAD renewal now
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: because TPS is still technically in effect for El Salvador.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: So that's the answer. So you're not shit out of
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: luck like you thought you were. That is actually something
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: that you can fix. And they wanted to say thank
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: you for what you and Melissa do. You're such a
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: breadth of fresh air trying times keep grooving.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Thank you. It's very sweet.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: You're often grooving.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I do the best that I can.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't groove too hard because then you've
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: got to go to the chiropractor. I know, all right.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: This is Briefree says thank you for joining us. I'll
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: see you in court. I this has been an exactly
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: right production recorded at iHeart Studios, Posted by me, Michael.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: Foot and me Melissa Albrand. Our producer is CJ.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: Ferroni.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: This episode was edited by Nicholas Galucci.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain, and our guest booker
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: is Patrick Cottner.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Our theme song was composed by Tom Brifogel with artwork
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: from Charlotte Delarue Manessa Lilac with photography by Brad Obono.
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• 1:17:19
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