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Thursday September 3 2026 | Flock Wars, Clancy Verdict Watch · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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  Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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  Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M & M.
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  Speaker 1: Hot topics in the news and wisdom from life. It's
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  Speaker 1: Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is M & M Extra.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm back after my buddy had to fly solo
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of days. I'll be flying a little
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  Speaker 2: solo as well. I mean, this is kind of weird.
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  Speaker 2: We get into this rhythm. We love the daily, the
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  Speaker 2: day-to-day M & M Extra. I'm Mike Gallagher. He's Mark Davis. And,
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  Speaker 3: Well, Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Davis, did you miss me?
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  Speaker 3: I did. I always do. And yet, and I think
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  Speaker 3: you and I have talked about this, that the magic
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  Speaker 3: is this. This is the real deal. This is what
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  Speaker 3: people clamor for. But when you're here by yourself, it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of like, okay. See, we can get along here.
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  Speaker 3: There's something kind of, you know, cats away, mice going
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  Speaker 3: to play, see what's going on, see what happens. It's
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  Speaker 3: a little different vibe. It's almost like you doing your
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  Speaker 3: own show versus me doing my own show for just
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of time. And it is its own
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  Speaker 3: creative thing. And there's going to be a bit of
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  Speaker 3: that because I've... And so we're not we're always yanking
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  Speaker 3: the curtain back. I fill in for every show known
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  Speaker 3: to man except yours because the time overlaps so much.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 3: I did. Got up in the middle of the night
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  Speaker 3: to do Larry O'Connor a couple of days ago. That
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  Speaker 3: was lovely. We also have the Alex Marlowe podcast. And
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  Speaker 3: I got to do those. I backed off of them
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  Speaker 3: because they tape at exactly the time we do this.
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  Speaker 3: But so Tuesday, Wednesday of next week, I got a
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  Speaker 3: couple of those. I'm gone the week of the 21st.
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  Speaker 3: You're gone most of next. So anyway, if ever you're
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  Speaker 3: just looking at one of us, know that that's just
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  Speaker 3: our level of devotion to make sure you people have something.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's fun because this is the first time in
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  Speaker 2: my career. Where I've really appreciated a partner. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you and I are not used to a two-person show.
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  Speaker 2: This is new for you. It's new for me. I've
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  Speaker 2: had a history of it. I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 2: ever been partnered with anybody over your illustrious career.
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  Speaker 3: People have tried.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it happened with me in New York City. And
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  Speaker 2: let me tell you something. You talk about a bloodbath.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: This was, you know, the Valentine's Day massacre where they put–
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  Speaker 2: Let me quickly tell the story before we dive into
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  Speaker 2: some of the headlines on a Thursday. I was partnered
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  Speaker 2: with a guy. I was hired. Initially to do evenings
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  Speaker 2: at WABC in New York. And I remember Tom Likas,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the radio guy out of L.A.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: Who's blow me up, Tom. He's a bombastic guy.
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  Speaker 3: Lots of personal relationship stuff and about women and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: He was a shock jock, right?
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  Speaker 3: A really good one. A really good one. He was
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  Speaker 3: a talent.
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  Speaker 2: And loved radio. I don't think he's still doing it.
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  Speaker 2: I think he really has stepped way back.
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  Speaker 3: He did something online for a bit. Might still be,
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  Speaker 3: don't know, but traditional radio. But always loved the guy.
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  Speaker 3: It turned out the last few years, of course, he
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  Speaker 3: was a Trump hater, but that wasn't what he was
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  Speaker 3: known for.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't do politics. He did men, women stuff. He
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  Speaker 2: was a real smart This is probably an exaggeration, a
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  Speaker 2: real smart stern. He was very committed to the medium
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  Speaker 2: of radio. Had a story. I could go to dinner
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  Speaker 2: with Tom Likas. He'll tell a story about every radio
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  Speaker 2: person in America. He knows every station. And we crossed paths.
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  Speaker 2: He worked at, I think, the same station I did
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  Speaker 2: in Albany, WGY. He also worked, I think, in different...
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  Speaker 2: Long story short, when they hired me at ABC, it
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  Speaker 2: was during a very tumultuous time there. Bob Grant was
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  Speaker 2: in the process of being fired. And they hired me
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  Speaker 2: to originally do like the evening shift. And look, they
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  Speaker 2: were at the time the biggest talk station ever.
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  Speaker 3: In the country.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this was the home of Rush Limbaugh. So
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  Speaker 2: seven to midnight, I think, is the shift. And I
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  Speaker 2: was all set to go.
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  Speaker 3: Where did they find you? Can you take five seconds on?
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  Speaker 3: I know. But how did that phone call go? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: what an opportune moment for them and for you. But
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  Speaker 3: how did that connection get made?
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  Speaker 2: A guy named Frank Raphael, who was an executive at
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  Speaker 2: Sirius XM. And Frank's been around the business for many,
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  Speaker 2: many years. He had a summer home in Saratoga Springs.
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  Speaker 2: I was doing afternoons at WGY in Albany, which is
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  Speaker 2: in the Saratoga Springs market. Big, huge, 50,000-watt, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: 100,000-watt blowtorch station. Look at Yasmin finding B-roll of Tom Likas.
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  Speaker 3: She's so good. Imagery of big time. She's a wizard.
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  Speaker 3: She is so good.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you the Tom Likas moral of the
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  Speaker 2: story here in just a moment. But Frank heard my
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  Speaker 2: work at GY in Albany, got word to the folks
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  Speaker 2: at WABC. They were looking for somebody. He said, I
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  Speaker 2: know a guy. And before you know it, I got
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  Speaker 2: the call and went down and interviewed for the job
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  Speaker 2: and got the job at WABC. Well, Likas tells me.
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  Speaker 2: I'll never forget this. So I'm going to do evenings.
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  Speaker 2: Bob Grant was in the afternoons. Bob Grant.
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  Speaker 3: The legendary caustic conservative Bob Grant.
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  Speaker 2: Caustic conservative is an understatement. I mean, he would say
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  Speaker 2: to a caller with a foreign accent. No, no. I'll
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  Speaker 2: never forget. I heard this once with my own ears.
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  Speaker 2: The caller had a foreign accent like a young black woman.
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  Speaker 2: But she had like a lilting accent, right? And he'd say,
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  Speaker 2: where are you from? And she said, well, I'm from
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  Speaker 2: the Bronx.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: He'd say, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, originally, he was trying to get to Jamaica
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  Speaker 4: or Barbados because he was anti-foreigner.
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  Speaker 2: Look, he was ahead of him. And there are Bob
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  Speaker 2: Grant stories. He was the cheapest guy on earth. Rush
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  Speaker 2: Limbaugh one day did a big shtick with McDonald's. And
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  Speaker 2: he bought like 40 Big Macs to hand out to
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  Speaker 2: the whole crew at WABC. Bob Grant went down, stole
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  Speaker 2: all the Big Macs, put them in a bag and
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  Speaker 2: left with all the Big Macs. Cleared them out. That's
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  Speaker 2: not cheap.
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  Speaker 3: That's thievery. I'm cheap on some things, but I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a klepto.
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  Speaker 2: Remember the carpet tiles that radio stations used to have?
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: Because you want to lift them up to put wiring
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  Speaker 2: under the floors. I know this is on the floor, right? Well,
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  Speaker 2: there was a huge box of carpet tiles that went
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  Speaker 2: missing one day from WABC. Nobody knew what happened to
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  Speaker 2: the carpet tiles. Well, fast forward, they had to go
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  Speaker 2: out to Bob's house. He had like a little studio
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  Speaker 2: that they were trying to help him with. There was
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  Speaker 2: the box of carpet tiles. He stole the carpet tiles
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  Speaker 2: from the radio station and took them to his house
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  Speaker 2: in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 3: Is he a raccoon? What is going on here?
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  Speaker 2: He was a piece of work. He was so cheap.
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  Speaker 3: How cheap was he?
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  Speaker 2: We both had the same agent at one time. And
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  Speaker 2: the agent told me the story. Every month you got
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  Speaker 2: to pay the agent 10% commission, right?
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Out of your paycheck. That's part of the gig. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Bob was so cheap, he wouldn't let them deduct it
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  Speaker 2: from the payroll because that was going to be an
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  Speaker 2: extra step. He wanted to give a check to the
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  Speaker 2: agent but wouldn't mail it. Instead of putting a stamp
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  Speaker 2: on an envelope, he hand-delivered the check every month to
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  Speaker 2: the agent over on Broadway because he refused to mail
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  Speaker 2: the check. Just funny stories like that. Long story, but
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  Speaker 2: he was a legend. Everybody who knows talk radio knows
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  Speaker 2: Bob Grant. Bob Grant was the king of talk radio
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  Speaker 2: during the 70s and 80s era, whatever that was. And
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  Speaker 2: Tom Likas, when I was up for the job at
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  Speaker 2: WABC in the night, at nighttime, Likas calls me and says,
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  Speaker 2: I hear you're up for a job at ABC. I
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  Speaker 2: hear Bob Grant's in trouble. Bob Grant got in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: You want to know why he got in trouble?
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 2: Disney had just taken over WABC.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And Disney, of course, was a little bit– they weren't
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  Speaker 2: quite accustomed to the world of caustic talk radio. And
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  Speaker 2: Bob Grant.
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  Speaker 3: Got on the air.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember when– was it Ron Brown who was
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  Speaker 2: killed in a plane crash? Remember the education secretary years ago?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: He was killed in a plane crash. I forget where
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  Speaker 2: the plane crashed. But he was the education secretary, as
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  Speaker 2: I recall. Bob Grant got on the air and said,
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  Speaker 2: there's a report that a plane had crashed and Ron
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  Speaker 2: Brown was on the plane. There was said to be
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  Speaker 2: one survivor. It might be Ron Brown, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be optimistic or something about being optimistic that
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  Speaker 2: Ron Brown was killed.
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  Speaker 3: Secretary of Commerce. It was 1996.
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  Speaker 2: Where was the plane crash?
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  Speaker 3: Did you see where it was? Croatia.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Croatia.
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  Speaker 2: So, and he said on the air, he was basically,
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  Speaker 2: he said, Ron Brown is probably, was something about he
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  Speaker 2: was probably killed in the crash. But but I'm an optimist.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Disney said that's the end of that. And he
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  Speaker 2: was out. He was out. Well, so I get hired
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  Speaker 2: at about that time. Yeah, I'm going to wind up
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  Speaker 2: doing afternoons for Bob Grant. They were going to promote me.
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  Speaker 2: And Tom, like has called me and said, whatever you do,
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to be the guy to replace Bob Graham.
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  Speaker 3: You don't ever, right. You don't ever want to be
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  Speaker 3: the variant. You want to be the person after the person,
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  Speaker 3: because that's right. Next person is going to just get nothing,
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  Speaker 3: nothing but criticism and hatred.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and then that solved itself because then they wound
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  Speaker 2: up giving me mornings. I wound up in a short
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  Speaker 2: period of time getting morning drive at ABC, and I
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  Speaker 2: was flying solo, and I was doing fine. Well, then
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  Speaker 2: they decided, nah, you know what? Mike needs a partner.
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  Speaker 3: No, he doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't, but they tried, and they gave me
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  Speaker 2: a newswoman named Penny Krohn.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And Utah, I could do a whole book on Penny stories.
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  Speaker 2: She would come into work and her mission was not
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  Speaker 2: to know anything about anything going on in the world
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  Speaker 2: because that was going to be Mike's job. And she
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  Speaker 2: was going to react blank. It was like Larry King,
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  Speaker 2: not reading the books before I.
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  Speaker 3: Read the book.
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  Speaker 2: That's my question. Better if I don't know what I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about. But that's what her attitude was. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to know anything about the stories that are going on.
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  Speaker 2: I'll let Mike explain the story on air and then
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  Speaker 2: I'll respond.
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  Speaker 3: I'll react to them. I'll react to them with authenticity
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  Speaker 3: in real time.
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  Speaker 2: So that was rough. And then that brought me to
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  Speaker 2: a guy who actually is a friend of mine to
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  Speaker 2: this day, Lionel. But Lionel was doing afternoons. I was
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: doing mornings. Lionel wanted mornings. So his agents worked on
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  Speaker 2: ABC to get him into mornings. Well, they decided to
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  Speaker 2: partner us. Well, about a month after we were together,
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  Speaker 2: then his agent started working on getting me pushed out.
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  Speaker 2: It was like a chapter of Macbeth around there.
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  Speaker 3: It was crazy. You are a big talent that takes
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  Speaker 3: up a lot of oxygen. I'm pretty well the same beast,
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  Speaker 3: I guess. You sure are. He's his own force of nature.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just too much. I mean, because you are
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  Speaker 3: really good. He's really good. But that was just a
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  Speaker 2: Look, I was willing to try to make it work
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  Speaker 2: and he just didn't.
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  Speaker 3: And that's OK. That was up to him.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, but I it was a wild, wild ride
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  Speaker 2: and it didn't work. And, you know, bless his heart.
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  Speaker 2: All right. I've stumbled upon the surefire topic that'll light
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: All we got to say are flock cameras and data centers.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: It's the summer of flock cameras and data centers.
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  Speaker 2: And Governor Ron DeSantis weighed in. I want to play
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  Speaker 2: this for you. I don't know if you saw this
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  Speaker 2: clip or not, but he got a lot of attention
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  Speaker 2: with speaking out against what he calls the potential abuse
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  Speaker 2: of flock camera surveillance. Now, keep this in mind. It
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  Speaker 2: was just revealed Fox News Digital did a big investigation
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  Speaker 2: that just dropped showing that the No Kings protest networks
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  Speaker 2: are behind the opposition to flock cameras and AI data centers.
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you why. The same hard left network...
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  Speaker 2: This is leading the battle against data centers and flock
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  Speaker 2: surveillance cameras. Listen to the groups that are involved. Code Pink,
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  Speaker 2: remember them?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They have, based on reporting over the past several years
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  Speaker 2: from street protests and investigations, Fox News Digital has identified
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: the protest movement's evolution. The first phase was in January
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: of 2025 with Trump's inauguration. Remember when they had the
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Tesla takedown protests?
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Couldn't figure that out, right? They were torching and throwing
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Molotov cocktails at Teslas and breaking windows of Tesla cars.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Those weren't organic. That's the code pink, the socialist of
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: America crap, the no kings protesters. Mark, I want you
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: to read this article before you react to it in
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: its entirety because it They're saying that there is a
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: very concerted, non-organic effort to turn the tide against AI
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: centers and the flock cameras. Why?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if they feel that they're– look,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: let's face it. Data centers are sort of an explosion
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: of capitalism. Could it be that it's an anti-capitalist protest?
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: It could be anything. And the thing that's been fascinating
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: about data centers and flock cameras, what makes it such
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: talk show gold is, here's my thing I always say,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: find 100 people. who are pro or anti data center,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: pro or anti flock camera. And you don't instantly know
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: what political party any of them belong to. Especially the
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: flock camera thing where you can find liberals who don't
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: like them. Tallarico just came out and did a flock
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: camera thing that I could have said, or that Rand
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Paul could have said, because I'm trying to walk a,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: not a middle ground, but just to kind of a,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: I want to address the privacy concerns of the flock
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: cameras and, while still maybe maintaining some of the benefit
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: that law enforcement realizes for them.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Let's dissect what I think the greatest governor in America,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis, had to say about his concerns over flock cameras.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: Here's the thing that on the on the flock and
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: like a lot of our law enforcement that have used
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: it at the local and county level, you know, I
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: think are using it to focus on criminal. I don't
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: think it's their intent to do to do general surveillance.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: But I will tell you, if we had all this
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: around the country when COVID happened. you absolutely would have
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: saw those turned on people who were outside of lockdown
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: orders in California that were, oh, you didn't take your vax,
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: you can't go here, you can't travel. I mean, if
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: you look at polling during that period of time, And look,
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: I'm not trying to be partisan. This is just how
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: it broke down. There were way more Democrats in it
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: support this. You had a majority of Democrats that thought
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: people that didn't take the MNRA COVID shot should be
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: detained by law enforcement authorities, not allowed to go to
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: shores like really, really crazy stuff. So when you're dealing
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: with this as a policymaker, you've got to look, OK.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: How's it being used? I guarantee you every sheriff in
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: Florida can point to examples where it's been used appropriately
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: and probably effectively. And I have no doubt that that's
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: the case. But you also have to say, okay, how
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: could this be misused? And how could people, how could
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: a private company misuse the data, but also law enforcement?
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: We know there was an officer in Florida who was
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: using the LPR data to track like an ex-girlfriend or
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: something like that.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think we have.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: really strong penalties at all for that type of misuse.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: So I've called for legislation that will protect Floridians from
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: allowing the state to turn in to some type of
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: digital prison, digital surveillance state, where somebody knows everything about
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: what you're doing every day of the week. You know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: you want to get in your car and you want
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: to go down to Bucky's in St.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Augustine.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: It's really none of the government's damn business if you're
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: doing that, right?
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, let's just be clear.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Now, hard to argue with those. He's not wrong. But
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: he's also, I also, and I like the guy a lot, obviously.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I hate to object to what he said. But that's
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: a gotcha line. That's a clickbait line. Oh, you want
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: to go down the street to go to Buc-ee's? The
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: government shouldn't know what you're doing. The government, we are,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: there is a surveillance state in America right now, whether
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: we like it or not, with or without flock cameras. Right.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: And the flock cameras are more sophisticated, as I understand it.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: And I've tried to study these and understand what they
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: take to license plates. And they basically can analyze the
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: license plate data. Well, surveillance does that now.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: But it's a very different type of surveillance. This is
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: a whole new level of government-fused dragnet capability that is
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: way different than the already, admittedly, already existing network of
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Ring cameras and iPhones. and CCTV that's hanging on every
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: business on the streets of New York. So explain that difference.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Explain the difference.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: The instant searchability and easy access and tradability across multiple
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: platforms of government. That's it. It is a whole new
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: level of instant, easy accessibility by people who have proven
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: themselves corruptible. If COVID hadn't happened, I don't think this
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: topic's that big a deal. We've seen how bad it
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: can get. And you've had a really good point that says, listen,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: anything can be abused. And you're right about that. And
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. But
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: the people who are alarmed at the possibilities for this
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: to be misused are not wrong.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you what the flock cameras are
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: capable of achieving. On August 25th, outside Louisville, Kentucky, a
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: young girl named Danity Green, a Valley High School student,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: was shot and killed at the bus stop. There were
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: two arrests made in connection with her shooting death. City leaders,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: including a Democrat who's not a fan of flock cameras,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: are crediting the flock cameras for for helping to find, apprehend,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: and arrest the suspects. In their efforts to track down
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the suspects, the city leaders and the police... gave a
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: whole bunch of credit to the flock camera system.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I don't doubt it.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: That's been a hot topic in Kentucky.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I don't doubt it. That's why I don't want to
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: unplug all of them. That's why we'll somehow, somehow preserve
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: the benefit while addressing the privacy concerns, if that's doable.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: The mayor of Louisville said flock cameras played a critically
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: important role in apprehending these individuals who were responsible for this.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Were it not for the Flock camera, we probably wouldn't
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: be here today. And let's look at what they did.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: This is important to know this. Of course you're right
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: about the potential for abuse, and of course there's concerns
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: about privacy. The assistant police chief, Brian Edelin, told reporters,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: technology played a crucial role in helping detectives develop leads,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: connect evidence. Tools such as Flock technology played a vital
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: role in this investigation. They used the flock cameras to
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: identify the vehicle and the license plate. They were able
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: to track the movements of that vehicle as it left
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Louisville and crossed a bridge into the state of Indiana.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Homicide detectives then reached out to the Jeffersonville PD, asked
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: for their assistance in locating the vehicle. Within a few hours,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: they located it and made the arrests. See, when I hear, Mark,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: how much law enforcement appreciates this flock camera technology, I
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm on board. I mean, all right, there's abuses.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Lock them down. Figure out the right punishment. Make sure
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: that you've got some guardrails. But like I said, like
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: you said, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I'd like to find a way to do that. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I would think that as we graduate into the next
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: phases of these debates, as I think the data center thing,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say the data center thing is
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: going away. But I think all the concerns about water
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: and power have been largely been assuaged. And I think
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: soon enough we're going to have them up in space
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: or something like that. On the notion of law and order,
• 24:38
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• 24:43
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• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I did a little– just a little dig into what
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: might happen with this jury. And for everybody that's– we're
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: doing this in the 11 o'clock hour central, the noon
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: hour eastern time on this Thursday, the 3rd of September.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: And by the time people– by the time this drops
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: in the afternoon on Apple and Spotify, we may have
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: a hung jury or who knows what. If indeed it
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: does wind up being a hung jury today. I think
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: it's going to drive me crazy and I don't want
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: to make stuff up and I don't presume that I
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: know what's going on in there, but there's just a
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: gut feeling in me. It's nine women and three men
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: and I don't want to stereotype, but I just can't
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: peel myself away from the notion that if even three
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: or four of those women feel like they've just got
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: to keep the sisterhood going by standing up for this
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: assertion of postpartum psychosis, that to somehow not do that
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: makes them dismissive of the entire postpartum phenomenon. I'm scared
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: to death that feelings and biases have poisoned what to
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: me seem a really obvious case of a woman who
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: should fry for what she did to those children.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Well, nine women, as somebody just texted on our live
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: chat here on our YouTube channel, nine women and three
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: men says it all. That's why you've got maybe the
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: headache that you've got. And this has come down. And
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I've said this over and over again. Women callers to
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: my show seem to side with Lindsay Clancy. Men callers
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: say what you just said. She should fry. There's a
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: real split here. It reminds me. of the day we
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: just talked about pre-born when Roe v. Wade was overturned,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: and my phone... I don't know about your callers, but
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I was getting blown up by callers who were women callers,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Republicans saying they'd never vote for another Republican again. What?
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: They were furious. They were furious. Women caller after caller
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: after caller saying, you can't take this right away from me.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Were you getting trolled in the following way? No, I'm
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: sure they were sincere. But the part where they told
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: you they were Republicans.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Well, look, did did we lose the midterms? Did the
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: did the big red wave not materialize because of Roe v.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Wade being overturned? So I think there's I think there
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: are issues like like abortion and the Lindsay Clancy postpartum
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: psychosis drama that come down, you know, among the sexes.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: There's a battle. There is a there's a there's sort
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: of a gender debate. split here where women say, I
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: get it. I've had a baby. I know what it
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: can be like. I don't, and I, to me as
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: a guy, who would never be able to handle childbirth.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Trust me, I'd be in the ICU for a year
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: if I had to go through that. Look, I don't get,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I'm the same way, I feel exactly the same way
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: you do.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: I don't understand.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I think it has, it gets back to the degradation
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: of life. We don't, the sanctity of life doesn't matter anymore.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: No, and if there's an agenda, if there's some pavement
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: to pound, an agenda, you know, if you're upset about healthcare,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: let's kill, you know, the healthcare industry. What were you
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: talking about on the radio earlier today? Oh, the Aaron
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Piacente stabbed in Times Square by that crazy woman who
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: then was subsequently shot by cops justifiably. People thought that was–
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: you know what? I'm going to– more curtain peeling. In
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: forbidden satire text to you, I sent you that story
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: about where the banking woman had been killed and I– again–
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: very satirically and darkly said, well, at least this starts
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: a conversation about ATM fees.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Well, but, but, but it wasn't, but it wasn't even satirical.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: There was already a Palestinian American filmmaker who, who immediately
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: after the 32 year old bank vice president of bank
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: America was killed. Tweeted out support for the woman who
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: killed her. It's obviously Bank of America, the evil capitalist pigs.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, maybe because of like divestiture and because Bank.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Of America is involved in evil.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Bank of America is bad. Bank of America, right. Funding genocide.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: They were part of Israel. They were supportive of Israel.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: So it was.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is how evil we are.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: On that happy note, we got to make way for
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: another busy day tomorrow. We got, by the way, a
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: big theme. And I love our Friday themes, Mark. And
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: you had a great suggestion. Can we dive into a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: deep dive into the establishment Republicans? Many of whom want
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: to block, it seems, Ken Paxton from becoming the next
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: senator from Texas.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I will see you and raise you one for Establishment
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Friday as we talk about how the Republicans are trying
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: to purge themselves of the establishment through the MAGA movement.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Whereas the Democrat establishment is probably the more sensible people
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: who we'd kind of like to see retake the reins.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Why is that different in one case than the others?
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: So for the Republicans are going through and even what
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: the Democrats are going through. Join us tomorrow, Friday, for
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Establishment Friday, one of the hotly sought-after theme episodes of
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  Speaker 3: M & M Extra.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I like it. We'll see you tomorrow. Have a great day, everybody.
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