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#409 "What Happened?" Sex is Meaningless, Love is Love, Men are Women and Pedophiles are Normal, with Crime Investigator Tom Hampson · Claymore: Become Who You Are

• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Become who you Are.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: The production of the John Paul 2 renewal center.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jack Rigard, your host, and I am so excited to have our good friend Tom Hampson back.
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  Speaker 1: Tom, as you remember, helps me unpack a lot of the craziness going on in the world today.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: Tom just has a depth of knowledge.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: He spent so many years undercover a child porn, child sex trafficking, many other things.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: And so buckle up and get ready for today's episode.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to be with my good friend Thomas, Sherlock Holmes.
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: Hampson.
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: So Tom has been doing a lot of great undercover work, which I'm not going to go into right now because we want to.
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: I want to get right to this topic and maybe we'll bring up some of the crime investigating he's doing, uncovering a lot of great stories.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: But anyways, what happened, Tom?
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: You wrote what happened and I want to dig into that.
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: You started off the article by stating two weeks ago, governor Pritzker signed HB1286 allowing any multiple occupancy restroom to be identified as an all gender multiple occupancy restroom at the discretion of the building owner or leaseholder.
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: And then you go on to say any one of any gender could use it.
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: And why was this law introduced?
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: Why did it pass?
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: And as you start to unpack that, tom, it's getting insane out there.
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: I'll just bring up a couple of things.
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: I just read that it was a woman that tweeted this.
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: She said I took my 14 year old to the doctor on Friday.
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: As if the renewed mask charade wasn't bad enough, halfway through, the doctor asked me to leave Over my dead body.
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: I said to the doctor this is my child and anything can be discussed with both of us.
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: She then, in front of me this, proceeded to ask my child if there are any questions about gender identity.
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: I said nope, I stopped her right there.
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: I said we're not going to continue to fuel this madness, and she's got up and left.
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: It's amazing, tom, what happens.
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: The doctors now and I hear this in so many cases want your child to leave, or you to leave your child with the doctor so they can ask him personal questions about confusion on gender identity, and so I think that's why this article was so important to me, because you really unpack in here what went on, how it started and how we got to this insane mess that we're in right now.
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: And the last thing is another article I'll just read you just a headline breaking A male was just crowned homecoming queen, beating out four girls in Missouri school.
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: So Oak Park High School, the students in Kansas City, missouri, just got sent a message loud and clear Boys are just better at things than girls even better at being a girl and so they just crowned her homecoming.
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: You know, tom, the insanity goes on and on and on, but you got all the way back to Alfred Kinsey here, so I'm going to just throw this in your court.
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: You decide where you want to pick this up, but it is give me your comments on this insanity first, and kind of dig into where this all came from and maybe touch on this what exactly this law is that Pritzker just signed.
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: Well, it's the first step in removing any kind of barriers to like any spaces between men and women.
• 3:58
  Speaker 2: I think the ultimate goal is to have locker rooms and gym facilities and bathrooms and everything be shared spaces by men and women.
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: It's a complete hedonistic lifestyle that they're going after, and it started with Kinsey and his crew that were looking into the supposedly scientifically looking into sexuality, when in fact their entire study was skewed to find the kind of results that he wanted to find, because he himself was notoriously was bisexual and very promiscuous.
• 4:42
  Speaker 2: Not just he always married, he didn't just have sex with his wife.
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: There are some indications that he may have been.
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: He may have had sexual relations with kids, although that's not been done.
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: He certainly was complicit in the sexual exploitation of children by many of the subjects that he used to study childhood sexuality, because a lot of this comes from his findings that children are sexual from birth and so Now when he says kids are sexual from birth, I mean we know that they have a sex at birth, but he really meant that they were sexually active in some way or form of faith.
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: Look, you have kids, I have kids.
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: What does he mean by this?
• 5:37
  Speaker 2: Well, he means that in what really they on the left they mean, and the same thing with international Planned Parenthood, they've come out with the sexual rights of the child.
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: There's an international sexual rights of children that they have a right to engage in sexual activity at whatever age.
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: The idea is that children, at any age, should be able to enjoy the pleasures of sex.
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: That's what they're talking about, that they are sexual.
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: They have a right to experience sexual pleasure whenever and with whomever they want.
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so when I was four and five years old, I don't think I was running around trying to figure out how I'm going to enjoy sexual activity yet, right, I mean.
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: But this is the insanity.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: You and I, you know it's almost preposterous, but you and I work in exposing what we call stolen innocence, really taking the innocence away from our children.
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: And we talk about these national sex ed standards.
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: They literally are pushing this down to preschool and kindergartners.
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: Now it's almost insane, Tom, that we're allowing this as a culture to let this happen.
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, huh?
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to realize too, though, that Kenzie.
• 6:53
  Speaker 2: Then there are organizations.
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: There's an organization about the I think it's the American Law Institute has model statutes for different for every state, for different kinds of crimes.
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: They have model statutes of what's recommended that should be in every state, and one of his proposals back then was that the age of consent for sexual activity should be eliminated altogether so that there should be no age of consent.
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: But then the initial American Law Institute came out and said well, we won't make it no age limit, but we'll put it at six.
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: That the original recommendation after the Kenzie report came out was that children should be allowed to consent when they're six years old as the age of consent.
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which we all know this is just setting us up for just a grooming process, right?
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: I mean it's?
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: totally.
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: It was totally intended to make children's objects of sexual desire by anybody and it shouldn't be punished.
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: So just the very idea, the very proposal to do that should have made people somewhat suspicious of these people's motivation.
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: And when somebody recommends something outlandish like that, you got to wonder about that person, not necessarily question your own thinking on something.
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: But anyway, he started this out, so he had this, this foundation of having kids involved in sexual activity whatever, with whomever they want, and then, as that idea started to filter through our culture, which was really very favorably received by people all over the world because if this applied not only to kids but also to adults, adults should be free to experience sex and you know it's not having any, any inhibitions about it and we're sexual beings and we should, we should have fun doing it.
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: So so is that?
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: it was well it was so it was well received.
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: I know you don't, you're not familiar with the commasutra, but it became.
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: The commasutra became a big popular item.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: It was a or a teaching for people was promoted by Playboy magazine and many other, many other places where People became focused more on sex after the Kensington report came out and then, as a result of that, they started having these Seminars on how to you know how the church should deal with it and how the medical community should deal with it.
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: And All these new findings by Kenzie how should we incorporate that into our regular everyday life so that really started the whole process of breaking down our any any kind of inhibitions people had over sexual activity, both within and within outside of marriage?
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you, when you think about this, tom, you know, I think you know, when you say that this was accepted so readily, you see that that, just that, this, we, you know we could blame Kenzie and and of course he did come out with this, but I but, well, from what you just said, we use these things through history, you think, okay, well, how does this get taken up?
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: How does this one guy, who's, who's, who's, literally a, a sexual pervert, at the end of the day, and and and.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: I'm totally anybody yeah, anybody can read this and find this out.
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: How does this get picked up?
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: And how does everybody accept it?
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: And you go.
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: You know it's almost impossible, right?
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: This one guy with this idea that's almost preposterous, that that anybody can consent, and kids that Almost from birth should be enjoying sexual pleasure.
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: How does it get picked up?
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: Well, it gets picked up because, because people want it, that's right, picked up right.
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, how do?
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: how do these committees get formed?
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: Because, because they're all out there promoting it.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, who's gonna do this stuff?
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: Well, you, you know.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: I tell you what it takes one Multi-millionaire or one crazy billionaire to start putting money behind this stuff and he can get people to push this out into the culture.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, what do you say about that, tom?
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: Well, one of the the funder, the primary funder for this initially was the playboy was playboy Mm-hmm, in fact yeah.
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: Hugh Hefner considered and he said he wanted to be Kenzie's pamphlet here, so he would see Kenzie's and.
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what he did.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: He promoted these.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: I see a playboy magazine became very popular.
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: It was it was a sophisticated publication.
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: So they say that top people, intellectuals, interviewed in playboy magazine.
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: So you could, you could have an excuse to read it and also Look at it.
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: Just to read it, not necessarily just just to look at the picture.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: So it was something beyond just a girly magazine.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all that's what it was, it was promoting, it was making, making the idea of Engaging and in just totally licentious behavior a sophisticated, sophisticated thing.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: And the church picked up on it too.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you, you mentioned in your article what, what can you take us through that, tom?
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: You know you.
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: Here's what you say.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: Most people see it as normal variation of human sexuality.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: Today, even some churches bought into this view early on, as recounted in the book for getting how to blush, united Methodism, methoded Methodisms, compromise with the sexual revolution by Karen booth.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: So you go on to say the United Methodist Church even funded the sellout by backing two of its ministers and you, you mentioned them to work with the glide foundation and later the national sex Formed.
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: You want to unpack that a little bit because, like you, said these main stream, basically mainstream Protestant Church right.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: Well, they're, you know it was.
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: It was a big church and and they funded these guys to work with.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: It was basically they went out to San Francisco, mcelvena and Laird, and they were working with the homosexual community or trying to bring them into the church and and so and they funded their ministry out there and out of that, out of that the national sex form, in in the glide foundation, they began to go into the greater sexuality issue.
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: So it was not just because because Kenzie had said that sexuality is on a continuum from straight to Homosexual, so that really his idea was that Only 10% of people were straight, 10% of people were Homosexual, and and then there was a variation In between.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: So it kind of like formed a bell curve sort of thing.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Is what his idea of what, of what sexuality was?
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: It's totally nonsense, it's not just absolutely not true and there's no, there's no foundation for it.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Any any of his Real research that he did, which most of it was not real, it was just cherry-picked kind of ideas, but the but the thing was that that the church bought into the idea that it was on a continuum and so they had to get into that, into Understanding that better, and so they had McElvena and and Laird a Sutton out in San Francisco working with the gay community, and then they, they.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Now, what was the idea behind it, though, tom so?
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Would you mentioned that they were out there to bring so homosexuals into the church?
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Was the idea is, was was, was it?
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Do you think it was initially not to embrace Homosexuality per se, but to bring them into the church to bring them to Christ, or was it what?
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: What was, what do you?
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: think I think was Originally supposed to be.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Initially they were supposed to be working with them to bring them into the church and to not necessarily endorse homosexuality, but to kind of kind of Get them into the church, get them into a relationship with Christ.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: That's what.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I would presume, that that was the original intent.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: But then that that intent became, became perverted, and it was really those two guys in Ted.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Mcelvena later went on and formed the, the.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: What it was at the he formed his own college I can't think of what the name of it is right now.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: There was affiliated with the Kenzie Institute that Focused totally on sexuality and he gave they wound up giving PhDs out to all kinds of people.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Well, you said they even had a movie that they brought out right.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, well they, they developed this movie that was called the.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: It was for the purpose of the Sexual attitude.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Readjusting or readjustment has been known as two different things and layered.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Sutton is the one that really created the movie and it was not a single movie.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like intended to be shown on one screen, it was intended to be shown on multiple screens set to music.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Usually I think it was classical music that was played during the showing of this film and also they had a light show that went along with it.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: So light music and multiple screens of videos, and these videos had all different kinds of sexual activities that were going on on them, both individual sexual activities, group sex, same sex, not opposite sex.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: They even had the bestiality depicted on there and the idea was that they wanted to desensitize people to all manner of sexual activity because all of it fell into a normal spectrum and the church bought into that and the Methodist church bought into that and later the Lutheran church also bought into it because they were involved in it.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: So look it, I'm Catholic, so I'm not following you here.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: So we go from trying to talk and have a dialogue with homosexuals, bring them into the church right, which I would think is a good movement, opening the church up to everybody, right, that's what the church is.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: We call sinners.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: But then to bring them into Christ, right, you know not to manage their sins, but the power to overcome their sins, right.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: And so here, how did they go from there to this film that are desensitizing, as you say in your article, which is exactly what they're doing, even with bestiality?
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, how did they go from there?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: And then, how does somebody in the United Methodist church or the Lutheran church or whoever?
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: How do they look at something like this and go, yep, that's good, let's do that right.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at, the biblical thing is right from Genesis one time, if you get away from Genesis one and two, you go down.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I mean it's amazing how fast we can go down.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I mean you and I have to laugh, I think, sometimes, because it's so absurd.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: You think how could people that spent their whole life in the church give a see how Sluice talks about this?
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: He said once you make a commitment to Christ and he said he was one of the saddest.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Basically that's not exactly the words he used, but reluctant, I think, is what he said.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Christians that ever lived he goes.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: When I realized I was being called into the Christian church, he goes.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I was reluctant, I was sad, I was depressed, I didn't wanna go, but I knew the truth was there.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Later on he would say once you're in there and you understand the truth, you would think people would stay there and tell something big, shook them back out of it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: But no, it's a vulgar movie that gets to these people.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, are they that ready, tom?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I mean this is a little different than where I thought I'd go with this with you, because you wrote such an incredible article.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I'll make sure I link the whole article in the show notes because people really should read this, the whole article.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: But I mean, is it that fast that we slip off the reality of the truth?
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: And the truth is what?
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Let me just state this and get it out of my system the truth is only a man and a woman can reproduce, and that's what our sex is for.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: It's not a continuum.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: There's no other way this happens, right?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: So this is not a continuum.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: It's just a man and a woman come together and then they're open to life and they bring out.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Now and then a baby will be.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: It's called procreation and it takes a lifelong commitment because a child comes into this world and we all know that the best way to raise a child is with a caring, loving mother and a father.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: This is not a continuum, this is a very we call it marriage in the family.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And now we just again.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a pervert like Kinsey or Playboy Magazine, I'm talking about churches that will count to this to the point.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I guess now, tom, you can't even recognize some of these churches anymore.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: No, it's true, it's really been.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: This is the thing that has blown up the churches all over the world, including Catholic churches.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Catholic churches and immune to no it's not and I can vouch for that, my friend.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I think the only way to really to get an idea of how this works is that if somebody were to come out with this just amazing, multi-year, incredibly documented study today that said, you know what the best thing for everybody is?
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Just to eat ice cream?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm, you know, I would, I would like, I would fall into that right away, you know.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I say that sounds good to me.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I got this study.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: That backs me up.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: And I think that's what happened with the Kinsey thing.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: And then you have all these educated people promoting it and saying this is the right way.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: This is, this is Kinsey saw this.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: This is the way things really are, and why be inhibited?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: You can do anything you want.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: This is normal, this is the way God made you, and so why be any different?
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: And so it became appealing to people, and I think that's where and anybody that said different than what Kinsey said they were anti-science.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Well, look at the COVID thing.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Well, you're anti-science if you don't wear a mask.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you know, that's a good point, and so we have all this kind of here's the point I was making earlier, where we want to embrace these things, or at least these.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: You know this evil is always standing, I think, in the wings and they use something like this Kinsey report as a catalyst just to move forward with what they already wanted to do.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: And the same thing you saw with COVID Tom.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: You know that COVID was an accelerator, right.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: You know, these people are waiting in the wings to take power to do whatever they want, and they use these catalysts and we see this through history.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: You know people use catalyst.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: And the other thing I'll just mention is when you see this, with this desensitizing going on, that you're you know, and now we're desensitizing adults with this movie, but now this is exactly what we're doing to grade school kids now, and so we pulled this.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: This is what really really bothers me.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Look, it's sin has been around for a long time.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: There's nothing new there.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I think what's new is that, as a country and as a you know, the Western world itself has just accepted this lie that you can steal a childhood innocence and it doesn't make any difference, and you can actually go all the way down to a young person that should be skipping rope and playing football and laughing.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I pass the school almost every day when I'm riding my bicycle or jogging or something, and it's not too far from me and I see all these kids playing and it's so beautiful to see that, tom, and in my heart it goes, you know, really goes out to these kids and their families and stuff when we pushed this garbage.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: This is really garbage to these kids and you know, again, if you're an adult and you decide to do something, you know, go do it and you know.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: But to promote this to kids, I mean, and nobody stand up for this.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: It's just.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know, tom, it's.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: My stomach is really starting to turn over the last couple of years with this when I see what they're doing to children.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Well, see, the thing is, sin is appealing.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: That's the whole idea.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: It looks good until you get into it and then it winds up leading to people's destructions, and we've seen that all over the place.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: The people that are feeding us, the kids most of them, I think believe that they're doing the right thing, believe that they're doing the children what's good for them, that it's a good thing for them, that it's not a bad thing.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: But the people that are doing it are at least, at the very least, misled, if not evil themselves.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Do you think those comments are misled?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: or are complicit with evil.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: They are actually being used by evil to do this to kids.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, these are adults that were kids at one time.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, whether I accept it now as an adult, I still have to think.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: You know, I was five years old, six years old, seven years old, eight years old at one time.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I have to have enough common sense, you would think you know, to say no, you know, you don't push this on kids Now.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Now I get it if you say, okay, the kids 16, 17, 18 years old and it's starting to get a little older, and now you say, okay, well, you know, we don't want a Puritan attitude toward this and our sexuality should be embraced, and it should be embraced, but it has to be embraced with the truth and what it's for.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Again, right, again, you know, going all the way back to scripture.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: And again, everybody doesn't agree with this, obviously.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: But you know, you know our sexuality is for babies and bonding, and if you get away from babies and bonding you can get into all kinds of distortion.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: So again my question becomes and your point is well taken but don't these people realize, when they were looking back at themselves as kids, tom, that they realized there's something wrong when you, when I was five, six, seven that if somebody tried to sexually abuse me or do something, this is not a good thing.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: The thing is that this kind of this kind of sexuality that was being promoted for kids was not one that was.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: That was presented as though it was abuse.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: It was presented as though this is something that's good for kids.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: One of the things in my late friend, but still, what age are you talking about?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Though, these are still young kids.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: And this is one of the things that when you read the Kenzie report, he's got a table in there that shows the number of orgasms the child has in a 24 hour period and it has it by age.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: It's got even six months always down to six months old.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: And so and I read that, I read that report when, when we did the investigation of sexual exploitation of children back in the seventies, and so I read that report.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I I'm sure I looked at that table but I didn't think much of it.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: But there's a whole bunch of tables in there and you get bored looking at these things and you just kind of read what the results were.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: So the finding is that children, you know, experience favorably sexual activity when even as early as six months old, is what the is what the report would have said, the narrative of the reports and so.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: But Judith Reisman looked at it much more closely.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: She's my, she was a good friend of mine and died a couple of years ago and she was mocked for years, decades actually, for condemning Kenzie and in the study that he did and the findings that are being used to promote sex education, all kinds of all kinds of terrible things in our culture now, based on just if nothing else, based on that, on that table 34, which shows the orgasms kids have in a in a 24 hour period of time at different ages.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: And she took the next step and said how did they get these kids?
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: How did?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Where did these kids come from?
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: How did they determine the number of orgasms they had?
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: in or who's manipulating them, Right, I mean?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: somebody's doing this and how did?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: How did they do that?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: So, basically, it was.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: It turns out that there was.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: He, kenzie, hired pedophiles to record their abuse of kids.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Now, this is not a scientific study.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: This is, this is this is ridiculous.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: And how did they determine whether or not a child was experiencing an orgasm or not?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Well, sometimes it was crying, screaming, basically indications that they were not very happy, but they characterized them as being signs that they had an orgasm.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Now, when you look at that just that one table alone and how he designed the study to make it seem like it's a professional, look at this, at this issue that one thing that is completely degenerate and perverted should discredit the entire study that he ever did.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Just that one thing.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: And and yet that that study is continues to be used to this day to back sex education, to back even things like this, this all gender restroom.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: It's all of that is behind all the things that we see right now.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: That study that Kenzie did, and it's a complete garbage of a study.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: It's un-replicable.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: You cannot replicate it of any of it, not just about the, just about the kids.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: There's no way to replicate that study.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: It is total garbage.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: And yet that's being used to promote what's happening in our culture today, and it was used to promote the church bending its very doctrine to accommodate Kenzie's characterization that sex is a continuum.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and Tom, again, you know it's hard for me to fathom.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: You know, look at, I grew up in the 60s and the 70s.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Right, the sexual revolution was going on, but I still look back.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Look at, I get caught up in that too, you know, it's just.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a certain mindset that comes out of that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Right, we start to look at each other as people to use instead of people to love.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Right, the opposite of love is not hate, the opposite of love is using someone, and this is exactly what they're promoting.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you do tend to get in with the frog in a proverbial pot and sit there long enough and you start to think that this might be correct.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: And I still look back, even in my young days.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I still look back and I remember the beauty and power of seeing a woman, you know, and seeing that's something so powerful, so beautiful, so special about that.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I remember even trying to walk up to a woman I was attracted with, and I'm talking about when I was 15, 16, 17, 18 years old, and so these are, you know, the same age girls and thinking I almost I couldn't hardly move my mouth.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: They were so beautiful and you know, and I knew you know, everybody's saying this is just about sex, this is about no, no, no, I'll tell you what.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: You know there's something powerful and mysterious about that right and the beauty of these hearts, and if I ever had the guts to finally get the word high out, and she smiled at me, I mean it does something to your heart, right?
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: And so I look back at those days and even even in my early teens, still having that touch of innocence, it's so beautiful.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: And we're just stripping that away and turning it into a to use.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, do people, do you think, tom, understand that these people are just using one another?
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: And if you get caught up in the sexuality as a young person, whether you realize it or not, but you get caught up in the lie, we're telling young people to use one another, not to see each other as with human dignity and as a human person, someone that you would give your life to and love, but someone that you're going to use and abuse sexually.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I mean that's what we're doing and so many people seem to accept that.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I'm astonished, I guess.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: What they make a point of doing in these sex education programs now is to underscore the need for consent.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: So if there's consent, then you're not using them right.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: But that isn't true, because the consent comes from someone who isn't capable of making a reasoned judgment to give consent.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: They're not even legally able to give consent, but they are being fooled into believing that they have the capacity to do it.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, what?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: And kids can go through gender transition without their parental, without parental permission in many states.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so now we get to you know Pedical procedures.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you talk about what we would call utilitarianism, right, consent meaning I use you, you use me, it's still used.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: You know, whether it's both of us consent to using one another or I just rape you or you say, no, that's okay to basically rape me, right, because I give you my consent.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Right, I mean you're still using.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: So that just two people still using each other.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: You know, tom, when we go out and speak to young people high school age and stuff there's no doubt what we're talking about here has been accepted by many of them.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: But when you start to talk about authentic love, you get some incredible you know there's so much, sorry, incredible feedback.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, these young people are looking for something more.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I think we, you can't get away from this.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: What we were talking about here is is the foundation of who we are as human beings, and when you allow this stuff, these lies, to be told and start to use each other like this, you know it's a.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: It's a whole breakdown and you mentioned it in here.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Let me just see where you have it at here.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a gross decline in decency and morality and as a direct result of will for willful inaction by our churches.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: It does no good at all to bring people into church if they're not disciplined and taught a biblical worldview.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: According to a study by Barna, only 17% of practicing, regularly attending Christians have a biblical worldview.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: The percentage drops Dramatically if all who profess Christianity are included.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: So you mentioned that in here, tom and and, and I mean we haven't been taught by the churches and we've been just allowed to allow that the culture Into the church.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: In many cases, instead of bringing the gospel into the culture, we've done the opposite, and then in the churches that still stand by a biblical tradition and biblical morality, we're not preaching it.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Right, well it's, they know they're not preaching it, they're not.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I also point out in the article that how many of these pastors in Illinois actually spoke out against the, the adoption of the Sex edification standards in Illinois?
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: How many spoke out against this, this all-gender restroom bill?
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Did have you heard in it?
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Did you hear any?
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Not enough message by any pastor.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Not enough, yeah, we I mean so, but you got to search them out, tom, you got to search them out and they have to in their courageous when they do wasn't.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: My church is one that's a Bible believing church, but our pastors never said a word about it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and you're right.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know I have a.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I go to a Couple Catholic Churches, one you know near me, and you know they're very careful in what they say.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: They're preaching the gospel, you know.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, when these bills and stuff came up, yeah, you're right, I mean they weren't strong enough, they weren't a warning enough.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Now I do have to to to say, our bishop here in Iraq for diocese, and Maybe he did enough, maybe didn't do enough, people would say, but he did write very strong letters and brought him to all the parishes and and and and when he writes a letter like that gets into all the bulletins, he expects the priests in those parishes to pick up on that letter and then, to you know, either read it or come up with their own homilies around that.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: And so I have to say that he did take a stance on these things.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And it's not easy because, because, even within the church, within the church's hierarchy, they'll, you know, they'll condemn them.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these, these, these other bishops and cardinals you know we have the German bishops Are all for our same-sex marriages.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Well, see, this is a.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: This is the thing that really bothers me, and now I I'm not sure how many of the pastors in church is hold a biblical worldview.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, I know, I know, I know, I'm investigating.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I've investigated a lot of religious people who have engaged in the sex exploitation of children and and there's no way that any of them hold a biblical worldview.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: No, it's if they, if they think they do, they're just fooling themselves because they are Engaged in the kind of conduct that the Bible specifically speaks against.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Well, you're seeing now the result of this and, as we wind up here time, you're seeing the result of this, which is the breakdown of, of marriage in the family, the breakdown of the church, which which which then coincides, of course, and leads into a breakdown of culture which breaks down the whole nation.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: And so what you're seeing here are the results of this, which is this is not Kumbaya and playing games anymore.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: You're you're seeing the tyrants of the world use these ideologies and the weakness and marriage in the family, the weakness in the church, to just take down the rest of the, the country, and and I think that's where we're headed if we don't turn this thing around and and Look at, we're on, we're on a glide path to To lose in our freedoms, to lose in our country.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: And look at where.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: All you got to do is read the US Declaration of Independence and the in the Constitution to know that that our founding fathers said you know, our Constitution is predicated on a moral and religious people, and that was from Adams and Madison said that that if, when you take virtue out and people no longer strive to be virtuous people, that this Republic will fall.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: And and that's just two out of many of them, right, and so that's what's happening.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: They understand this, that that the tyrants will rule if Morality's taken out.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: And then you have all these people that are just clamoring to have sex with kids and with each other, and you know how many orgasms can we have, and they run around trying to find a hole in the tree.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: If they don't have anything else, they don't care.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, their life comes down to this, tom, these hedonistic.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: You know selfish ways to use and abuse and look at people they don't really care and at the end of the day, they become you.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: You know useful idiots and, in the words of the Marxist, you know and and so.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: So you have a couple camps right.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: You have the world elites pushing all this stuff down with all their money and you have a population of mass population that have normalized, the fall, normalized in, and At the end you're gonna see the end of the our freedoms.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Are we gonna be able to say this thing or are we going down with the ship?
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: here.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it only takes.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: It only takes two election cycles to change things.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if people see what they motivate people only takes two election cycles to do it If you, if you get people actually to vote the right way to get the right people in office.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: So I think there's always hope.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: But I think it also starts with, first of all, educating people on what's going on and in Pointing out what they could do to change it.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: It's not, they don't have to be Engaged in national politics.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: All they got to do is get involved in their local areas, just just in their own communities, stay involved in learning about what's happening.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: People have got to stop Relying on somebody else to do the job.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: We can't, we can't count on experts, whether it's a teacher or a doctor, to just do what they immediately say that we should do.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: You have to get second opinions.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: You have to have enough knowledge yourself to be able to question what they're doing and what they're saying.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: This whole pandemic thing should have opened up everybody's eyes.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Our freedoms were destroyed in this country during the pandemic.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Businesses were shut down.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: People lost their livelihoods as a result of it by the illegal closing of commerce in this country and changing the election rules unilaterally by elected officials and within the church our leaders in the churches, you know, I don't know so much about the Catholic church, but certainly the leaders in the evangelical churches are unilaterally making decisions not to act that are affecting everybody In a negative way.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: By their failure to speak out against some of these evil things that are going on in our culture, they're condemning the rest of their congregations to being completely ignorant about it being damaged by what's happening.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so at the end of the day, you know, and I think it all starts with the individual human heart, tom, everything starts with the individual heart.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: It leads out to the way we look at other human beings, especially in our own families, and then to educate our children to this, you know, to have a moral and a virtuous base.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: You know that you can't just leave them in a vacuum, you can't abdicate responsibility to your point to these so-called experts.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: And if we don't start with our own hearts, tom, I don't think it's gonna happen.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, you know, we have to look at this.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: This is a big picture.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Is these are human souls, right?
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: This is a battle for the human soul, and I think we're all gonna.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Anybody that doesn't stand up for the innocence of children and allows this stuff to happen to the most innocent and vulnerable among us is gonna be held to that standard, because everybody should be doing that at a minimum, to say, you know what, not on our watch, not to our children.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: And look, if we can't do that, tom, that you know what, we're gonna lose our eternal souls anyways, brother.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't really matter, the rest of it won't matter, right?
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Well, everybody better start adopting a biblical worldview pretty quickly, because that's our advice, people right, we're leaving here.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: And you know what Everybody knows from this podcast.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: That that's always been our advice, you know, and you gotta step up into it.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: And if you didn't think you needed to before, I think you look around the world now and I think you might reconsider.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Thomas, thank you so much, thanks for being with us today and thank you to everyone that's joined us today.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Don't forget love everyone in the truth and speak the truth in love.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: God bless you.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Talk to you soon, everybody.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Bye-bye, roads Oof Woo Ahh, come on, they've got a smart-ass, perfect choice.