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10/26/26 - Hour 1 · The Huddle

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Speaker 1: Now, gather around because it's time to huddle up.
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Speaker 3: We know exactly what we got to do. All right?
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Speaker 3: Let's go out and kick some shit. One, two, three.
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Speaker 5: We got some big plays coming.
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Speaker 4: What the hell's going on out here?
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Speaker 1: Yellow Weasel. We're calling the plays, all right?
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Speaker 3: It is time.
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Speaker 5: What is?
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Speaker 3: With Drew Olsen.
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Speaker 6: When he spoke, he commanded your attention and he commanded
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Speaker 6: your respect.
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Speaker 1: Bill Schmidt.
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Speaker 2: That son of a gun is thick. And Armin Sarian.
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Speaker 2: Daddy Sarian.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the huddle.
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Speaker 5: He steps up, scrambles right, going to take it himself,
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Speaker 5: throws right side of the end zone, got Tucker grabbed,
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Speaker 5: tumbled and grabbed, touchdown, but did he come across the
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Speaker 5: line of scrimmage on the throw? Apparently, I don't see
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Speaker 5: a flag, it's a touchdown Green Bay.
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Speaker 6: 3-2.
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Speaker 3: Runner takes off, it's a hit and run to perfection.
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Speaker 5: Milwaukee's on the board and guess who's done it? William
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Speaker 5: Contreras comes through again and he says, of.
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Speaker 3: Course I did. On the 3-2 pitch, makes it.
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Speaker 5: Strikes a base hit to right center field.
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Speaker 3: It's 4-2. They've got it in hand.
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Speaker 5: Well, the handoff to Gibbs up the middle.
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Speaker 7: It's center right.
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Speaker 3: Gibbs covered up.
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Speaker 7: Ball came loose.
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Speaker 5: It's up for grabs and a pileup inside the tenure
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Speaker 5: of the 8th guard line.
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Speaker 3: It's Green Bay football.
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Speaker 7: The Packers recover.
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Speaker 5: Ground ball to cross.
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Speaker 2: Through the legs of Aranda.
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Speaker 3: Everybody's safe and it's 4-3. Behind the corner. Pace in two.
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Speaker 5: Here comes Hicks, he doesn't want.
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Speaker 1: To run at all, but it's no question.
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Speaker 3: He's out at home.
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you.
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Speaker 5: What, I don't know if you've seen it.
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Speaker 3: I'm just seeing.
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Speaker 2: It right now. That was awful.
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Speaker 4: That's an awful, awful call.
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Speaker 6: He just kind of ran into Goff and not.
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Speaker 2: Even running into him. He was getting up off his knees.
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's how much force he put into it.
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Speaker 2: That's brutal.
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Speaker 4: That's a fly ball to deep center field.
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Speaker 2: DeLuca's going back. He's at the track.
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Speaker 3: And it's gone! It's Sal Berwick!
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Speaker 5: Tying down time!
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Speaker 3: Third down in a tight pocket.
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Speaker 5: Throws the left side. He's got his man down the
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Speaker 5: left sidelines. Jacobs breaking a tackle inside the 10, but
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Speaker 5: he stepped out of bounds.
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Speaker 3: Oh, and they call it a touchdown. It is a touchdown.
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Speaker 5: Goff looks it over, takes the snap, hands it off
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Speaker 5: to Gibbs.
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Speaker 4: Yes! He's tackled on the play.
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Speaker 5: Gibbs hit by Keyshawn Nixon.
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Speaker 3: And also in on that play, Jordan Riley. Excerpt into right,
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Speaker 3: and it's Milwaukee in front. They turn game two upside down.
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Speaker 7: Daniel Whelan down on one knee. Snap.
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Speaker 2: Placement.
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Speaker 3: Swing to the leg. And it is no good.
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Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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Speaker 3: No good.
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Speaker 5: And the Lions rejoice at the sideline below us. 35-yard
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Speaker 5: field goal.
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Speaker 7: No good.
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Speaker 6: Here it is.
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Speaker 3: Placement. Kick is up. And it is good.
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Speaker 5: And the Detroit Lions have defeated the Green Bay Packers.
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Speaker 3: Here at Ford Field, 20-17. How did he go?
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Speaker 2: He did!
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Speaker 3: What a comeback! What a.
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Speaker 5: Start to the World Series in Milwaukee!
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Speaker 2: 2-0 Brewers! On to St.
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Speaker 1: Pete!
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Speaker 4: Welcome into the Monday edition of The Huddle. Drew Olsen
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Speaker 4: along with Armin Sarian. Billy Schmidt is on assignment today.
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Speaker 4: He is boots on the ground in Tampa. He's on
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Speaker 4: the Suncoast getting ready to.
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Speaker 8: Join us and get ready to watch Game 3 of
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Speaker 8: the World Series tonight.
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Speaker 2: Landed in Tampa to join our guy Hunter Baumgart as well.
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Speaker 4: Were you tracking both of their flights, Armand?
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Speaker 2: Trying to, you know. The increase in flight activity. from
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Speaker 2: Milwaukee to Tampa International has made it a little tougher.
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Speaker 2: I mean, especially after I hear that the Brewers sent
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Speaker 2: five planes, thanks to Priester Aviation for their help on
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Speaker 2: that one as well. So trying to figure out which
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Speaker 2: planes were going there and which thought I was tracking is,
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Speaker 2: of course, Brewer fans are making their way south, Drew,
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Speaker 2: by any way, by way, planes, train automobiles, by hook
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Speaker 2: or crook. This should be a big Brewers contingent as
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Speaker 2: they're flying to Orlando, to Tampa, from Chicago, from Milwaukee.
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Speaker 2: any way they can to get down there. And as
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Speaker 2: you can see, the ticket market cratering at the old
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Speaker 2: musical at the Suncoast Dome. Actually, you brought that up.
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Speaker 2: And then the Thunderdome, but now Tropicana Field.
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Speaker 8: So, what do we make of this Monday? All I
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Speaker 8: can think of is it's Dickensian. The best of times,
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Speaker 8: the worst of times.
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Speaker 4: Brewers, everything's going the Brewers' way, and it has been
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Speaker 4: for most of this delirious run the last couple weeks. They're, what,
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Speaker 4: 9-1 in the postseason now?
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Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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Speaker 2: The only loss coming to the Padres in Oh, please
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Speaker 2: don't let that change. Wouldn't that be nice?
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Speaker 8: Nine and one in the postseason with one loss after
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Speaker 8: two wins at home against the Padres. So that would
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Speaker 8: put them, you know, to do that again, they would
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Speaker 8: have to lose tonight with fastball Freddie on the mound
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Speaker 8: against Bobby Diesel.
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Speaker 2: Which he's been good.
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Speaker 4: Where are we, though? It's like it's the best times.
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Speaker 4: It's the worst times. It doesn't get much better for
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Speaker 4: the Brewers.
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Speaker 8: Everything's going their way, including some controversial calls that they overcame.
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Speaker 8: Packers could not overcome a slew of controversial calls. And
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Speaker 8: they lose a frustrating decision to the Lions yesterday at
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Speaker 8: Ford Field. They'll get a chance for redemption on what
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Speaker 8: will either be a glorious victory Thursday or an off
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Speaker 8: day in the World Series on Thursday night. Wayne Larrabee
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Speaker 8: is going to join us to talk about that about
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Speaker 8: 20 minutes from right now. And then Billy is going
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Speaker 8: to join us at 3.30. Tell us what it's like.
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Speaker 8: He'll set the scene for us in the Hunter Baumgart
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Speaker 8: live from the ballpark at 4.25. So a lot of
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Speaker 8: mixed emotions, Armin, because the Packers thing is still important
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Speaker 8: to people. And it's frustrating the way they've started. The
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Speaker 8: Badgers won a thriller, as other people were occupied watching
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Speaker 8: the World Series. Badgers beat USC on Saturday night, Camp Randall,
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Speaker 8: a field-storming victory.
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Speaker 4: So, you know, where are we here?
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Speaker 8: It's like you're giddy about the Brewers, frustrated about the Packers.
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Speaker 8: And I guess with the Packers, and I mean, a
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Speaker 8: friend of ours, former co-worker here at the Megaplex, rails
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Speaker 8: against replay all the time.
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Speaker 4: And replay giveth and taketh away.
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Speaker 8: Replay put game one in peril for the Brewers because
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Speaker 8: Cooper Pratt's spike wasn't touching the base on the neighborhood play,
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Speaker 8: which is an interesting development these days.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they claim.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then.
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Speaker 2: And then you have, what, Jackson?
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Speaker 4: Rays fans are upset about the check swing that ended
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Speaker 4: game two.
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Speaker 2: Of which I'm convinced after seeing the... I don't know
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Speaker 2: if you caught Joey Votto's explanation that that's an old
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Speaker 2: batter's trick to flip the bat straight up in the
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Speaker 2: air to hide the check swing. Yeah. That was probably
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Speaker 2: a check. Like, so there's a lot of ways you
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Speaker 2: could go about that. I know, you know, some people
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Speaker 2: still are looking at the cheerio slide into home. Maybe
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Speaker 2: that could have been. Although I think that was probably
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Speaker 2: the right call because it bounced. But yeah, all those things.
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Speaker 2: Are you... Are you angry with replay today? Are you happy?
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Speaker 2: Do you not care about anything but the Brewers? I
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Speaker 2: think a lot of people probably thinking, well, I wish
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Speaker 2: the Packers would have won because that was a game
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Speaker 2: they could have won. You could have gone five and two.
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Speaker 2: It was there for the taking, but it is a
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Speaker 2: three-point loss at Detroit. These things do happen, and we
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Speaker 2: have bigger fish to fry.
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Speaker 8: It's a three-point loss, but if the Brewers were out
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Speaker 8: of the equation, we'd open the phone lines, which.
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Speaker 2: We do every day, 24-7. Last night on Packers OT,
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Speaker 2: we did.
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Speaker 4: NicolayLaw.com, talk and text line 877-794-1973. And people would be
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Speaker 4: complaining about just some jaw-dropping calls that hurt the Packers.
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Speaker 4: And it's continuing a theme. I think with the Packers,
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Speaker 4: the theme.
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Speaker 8: And when we ask Wayne today, I'm sure he'll agree,
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Speaker 8: the theme has been of the season, has been penalties
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Speaker 8: and drop passes.
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Speaker 4: Overarchingly.
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Speaker 8: Well, the lack of a run game has been... Lack
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Speaker 8: of a run game is systemic.
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Speaker 2: I'd say that.
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Speaker 8: But the penalties and the drop passes are things that
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Speaker 8: you can... conceivably control and the Packers lead the world
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Speaker 8: in penalties and they lead the world in penalty. Not,
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Speaker 8: not all penalties are created equal.
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Speaker 2: Definitely.
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Speaker 8: There's a false start. And then you score a touchdown
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Speaker 8: the next play. It's not that big a deal, right?
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Speaker 8: But the Packers penalties have come in the second half,
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Speaker 8: especially in the fourth quarter.
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Speaker 4: On third down, extending drives.
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Speaker 2: Taking away turnovers, Drew.
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Speaker 4: Negating, nullifying turnovers.
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Speaker 2: Last night again, since week one.
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Speaker 8: Third down, get off the fields. It has been happening
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Speaker 8: at a stunning rate. And I'm still flabbergasted by some
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Speaker 8: of what I saw yesterday. The intentional grounding on Jordan
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Speaker 8: Love was unconscionable.
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Speaker 2: Incredibly absurd.
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Speaker 8: Two of the roughing the passers on Jared Goff were
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Speaker 8: equally bad.
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Speaker 2: You weren't satisfied with the pool report?
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Speaker 8: The unsportsmanlike conduct on Devontae Wyatt for continuing to play
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Speaker 8: football when Amon Rossi and Brown did as well.
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Speaker 2: Bizarre is the only word for that.
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Speaker 4: And a referee got kicked in.
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Speaker 8: The stomach, got mad, threw a flag from his back,
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Speaker 8: flat on his back, threw a flag out of anger,
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Speaker 8: and none of the other crew members saved him from
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Speaker 8: himself and talked him out of it. Because and then
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Speaker 8: the pool report that said the referee didn't hear the
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Speaker 8: whistle and how can guys in helmets hear the whistle
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Speaker 8: if the referee didn't?
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Speaker 4: And what did Devontae Wyatt do wrong?
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Speaker 8: He suplexed the guy who had already been tackled.
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Speaker 4: Well, no one knew that because no one heard a whistle.
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Speaker 4: They call that the next action or something. It's bizarre
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Speaker 4: the way things played out for the Packers.
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Speaker 8: And writ large, it's not just, and that was in
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Speaker 8: the national window, but it shone a light on what
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Speaker 8: is becoming a crisis in the National Football League. The
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Speaker 8: officiating and the inconsistency of and the the subjective nature
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Speaker 8: of some of the calls, it's driving people crazy. And it's, it's,
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Speaker 8: they're in the danger and they're not going to lose
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Speaker 8: any market share or anything, but it's driving the great
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Speaker 8: product into the ditch and it needs to be addressed.
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Speaker 4: I don't think it will be. It reminds me, this
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Speaker 4: is the.
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Speaker 8: Worst officiating has been these first seven weeks of the
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Speaker 8: season to me since replacement ball and Wayne and Larry
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Speaker 8: and Wayne's talked to us before the rule books gotten
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Speaker 8: too big. And now there's a lot of, a lot
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Speaker 8: of drums are beating and Billy is one of them.
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Speaker 8: who thinks that they need to have full-time referees. They
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Speaker 8: need to pay the referees a full-time wage so they
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Speaker 8: can quit their jobs as lawyers and school administrators and
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Speaker 8: podiatrists or whatever else these guys are. I've never been
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Speaker 8: in that camp because I don't know. These guys could
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Speaker 8: watch film more than... I know they watch a lot
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Speaker 8: of film. They get training and they do it in
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Speaker 8: the off-season. But if they're full-time and they don't have
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Speaker 8: to work their other jobs... Is that going to make
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Speaker 8: their eyesight better? Is it going to make their judgment better?
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Speaker 8: Is it going to make them more mobile, the 60-year-old
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Speaker 8: insurance agency owner? Is that going to make him more
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Speaker 8: mobile and able to swivel his hips more and get
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Speaker 8: around and see things? I don't think that is– I
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Speaker 8: know that it is kind of ridiculous that the NFL
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Speaker 8: is the only league where they don't have full-time officials.
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Speaker 2: It's also not as necessitated by time and place because
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Speaker 2: there's less games.
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Speaker 8: They work one day a week. They ostensibly work, what,
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Speaker 8: 20 days a year? Is that worthy of a full-time job?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think for me where I come down on it, Drew,
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Speaker 2: is like you could make that move, and I don't
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Speaker 2: know enough to know if it would work or make
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Speaker 2: a difference. Work is the wrong word. Make a difference.
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Speaker 4: I bet the under on it. That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 4: If it's the same.
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Speaker 2: Guys, we'll give them more training.
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Speaker 4: We'll make them better.
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Speaker 2: My point is this, though. If you're trying to satisfy
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Speaker 2: a growing customer base or audience base to your product,
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Speaker 2: If you're trying to salve their anger, what else can
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Speaker 2: you do? I don't know that there's anything else you
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Speaker 2: can do at this point because you have humans calling
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Speaker 2: a very physical game that's based on contact, that's based
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Speaker 2: on judgment calls. There's no, maybe basketball, there's no other
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Speaker 2: sport that's based so much on judgment call. Now, I
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Speaker 2: don't know what else you can do. And that's where
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Speaker 2: I differ with a lot of people is that they'll
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Speaker 2: say like, well, you have to do something. When will
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Speaker 2: something be done? I don't know what they can do
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Speaker 2: to improve this because the reality is they're just trying
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Speaker 2: to fix it by over-legislating, which makes the problem worse.
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Speaker 2: And the idea that it will kill the game and
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Speaker 2: kill the product and the product is dead, I 100%
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Speaker 2: disagree with. People are going to watch the NFL no
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Speaker 2: matter what, Drew. No matter how angry they get each week.
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Speaker 2: I just can't be convinced that this product isn't Teflon
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Speaker 2: at this point in American society. It's the most successful
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Speaker 2: product in the world. It's the most profitable product there is.
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Speaker 2: I totally agree about the officiating being horrendous. And it just,
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Speaker 2: it's definitely seems like this is tribal. I know this
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Speaker 2: is biased. It seems like they're picking on the Packers
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Speaker 2: this year. I don't know why. I usually don't say that,
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Speaker 2: but these numbers are kind of absurd. The amount of ruffings,
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Speaker 2: the amount of important calls going their way that are
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Speaker 2: totally questionable. But what in reality can be done to
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Speaker 2: fix this problem? I don't know.
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Speaker 4: That's the question.
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Speaker 2: And I don't think there's much. If you said we're
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Speaker 2: going to full-time officials, at least you tried that. And
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Speaker 2: that's where I would maybe lean toward that side of it.
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Speaker 2: Would it actually matter? I don't know. And I don't,
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Speaker 2: your logic isn't flawed that it doesn't make much sense
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Speaker 2: that it should. But Billy's theory is like, well, they'd
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Speaker 2: be studying all the time. Then maybe that would help.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Maybe, maybe. Like I said, it's not going to.
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Speaker 4: Not going to improve their eyesight or their physical abilities
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Speaker 4: to get around.
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Speaker 2: And their opinion. That's where pictures lie. When humans are
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Speaker 2: calling the type of game they are, you could show
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Speaker 2: 10 of us the same picture. Yeah. And we all
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Speaker 2: have different things.
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Speaker 4: In different angles, camera angles lie as well.
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Speaker 8: Because there were angles where Cooper Pratt's foot looked like
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Speaker 8: it was off the bag, and then there were angles
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Speaker 8: where it looked like his cleat kind of scraped the bag.
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Speaker 4: We're getting down to micrometers because of the replay.
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Speaker 2: Right. But when we demand a better product and we
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Speaker 2: demand accuracy, that's what has to happen. So where's the utopia?
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Speaker 2: There isn't one.
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Speaker 4: The facts are the facts.
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Speaker 8: The Packers lead the NFL by a wide margin in
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Speaker 8: penalty yards. And Minnesota, conversely, at the top of the division,
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Speaker 8: Packers are at the bottom of their division now at 4-3.
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Speaker 4: Minnesota, unbeaten, 6-0. Is at the top.
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Speaker 8: And that win probability added stat, which is your favorite
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Speaker 8: stat this side of war, WPA. The net WPA from
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Speaker 8: subjective calls, weeks one through seven in this season, the
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Speaker 8: Vikings have benefited the most from subjective calls. Their win
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Speaker 8: probability added when you balance calls against them and calls
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Speaker 8: for them.
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Speaker 4: The number they came up with was plus 124. Wow.
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Speaker 2: And I'm sure a lot were from week one. I
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Speaker 2: remember all those, that one drive. And look, they're undefeated.
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Speaker 8: They've had 27 of those calls for them and 11
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Speaker 8: against them.
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Speaker 4: The Chargers are second.
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Speaker 2: Now, the Vikings, just if you think of the numbers,
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Speaker 2: the Vikings are at plus 124.
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Speaker 4: They lead the world. The Chargers are second most lucky,
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Speaker 4: I guess, or disciplined, lucky, both. They're plus 76.
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Speaker 2: So the Vikings are almost twice As lucky when it
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Speaker 2: comes to subjective calls as the second most lucky slash
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Speaker 2: discipline team.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 8: The Packers, 32nd last. I mean, I'm glad. Keep that
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Speaker 8: number in mind. The Vikings are plus 124. The Packers number.
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Speaker 4: Minus 82.6.
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Speaker 2: And if it wasn't that, I'm almost glad because if
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Speaker 2: it wasn't, those numbers weren't what you just gave me,
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Speaker 2: I'd almost be upset because it sure feels that way, right?
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Speaker 2: It sure feels that way.
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Speaker 4: So there have been 22 calls for the Packers in
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Speaker 4: this subjective calls and 36 against them.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, all these like whiny bears and
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Speaker 2: Vikings fans that always complained that the Packers get every
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Speaker 2: call because of the league's darling. You can't argue that anymore.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 2: The emperor has no clothes on that argument. I mean,
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Speaker 2: they're getting picked on this year. It seems like, um,
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Speaker 2: obviously a lot of reaction to that, but I think
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Speaker 2: to your original point, Drew, I think that is frustrating.
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Speaker 2: A lot of fans from yesterday where it could have
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Speaker 2: been a great weekend. Oh, it's still, still was. Let's
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Speaker 2: be honest. We, I think we'd all take a regular
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Speaker 2: season loss for the Packers if it meant a Brewers
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Speaker 2: World Series.
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Speaker 4: Well, for sure.
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Speaker 2: So I think that's where people come down to it.
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Speaker 2: But the frustration over those calls, and yes, you could
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Speaker 2: have won. Yes, listen, you can't miss high school kicks. Okay,
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Speaker 2: 25 yards, 32, you can't miss those kicks. Packers might
16:58
Speaker 2: have won if you just made those two kicks.
17:00
Speaker 8: Made the two kicks, yes. So all these factors combined. Yeah,
17:03
Speaker 8: and that adds to the frustrations. The Packers played well
17:05
Speaker 8: enough to win. There was at no point yesterday did
17:07
Speaker 8: you feel, or did I feel, like the Packers were
17:10
Speaker 8: in control of the game or firmly deserve to win.
17:14
Speaker 8: Because it struck me that yesterday's game was going to
17:15
Speaker 8: be whoever has the ball last is going to win.
17:18
Speaker 4: Right? That's the way it was going.
17:20
Speaker 2: Yes.
17:21
Speaker 4: In my estimation, as it unfolded. That's the way I felt.
17:24
Speaker 8: But to have the game and to, you know, referees,
17:32
Speaker 8: they're at their best when you don't notice them. And
17:34
Speaker 8: it's impossible not to notice referees because every time, and
17:37
Speaker 8: it's PTSD for all of us, but it'll be interesting
17:40
Speaker 8: to get Wayne's perspective. Because it seems like every time
17:44
Speaker 8: there's a play of significance, you temper your immediate reaction
17:48
Speaker 8: to it and you're looking for flags.
17:50
Speaker 2: That's it. That's a great point, Drew. That's a great observation.
17:53
Speaker 4: So you're not even enjoying the product as much as
17:55
Speaker 4: you would.
17:56
Speaker 2: That kills the product, yeah. It kills the product. And
17:59
Speaker 2: maybe it's a self-inflicted PTSD thing. You almost never had
18:03
Speaker 2: that in a sport like baseball. Ironically, you did in
18:06
Speaker 2: game one, right? Where the winning celebration was... was taken away.
18:11
Speaker 2: But that's super rare. You don't really have it in
18:15
Speaker 2: basketball unless they're reviewing a buzzer beater on if it
18:18
Speaker 2: left the guy's hand. Or maybe they can review things now.
18:24
Speaker 2: But in football, that's a unique thing where it does
18:29
Speaker 2: affect your enjoyment when you have to watch for that
18:31
Speaker 2: flag to pop up. It's just incredible. It's just incredible
18:36
Speaker 2: the way it's felt every week so far this year.
18:39
Speaker 2: And that's why, you know, as frustrating as it is,
18:41
Speaker 2: the Packers lost in the manner they did. They were
18:44
Speaker 2: trying to go 5-2. After the start they had to
18:46
Speaker 2: this year where they really struggled, you're still 4-3 after
18:49
Speaker 2: all that happened. It isn't the worst thing in the world. Now,
18:52
Speaker 2: it is because you're looking up in the division, and
18:54
Speaker 2: if that's your goal, everyone's higher than you because this
18:56
Speaker 2: division does not lose, basically. I mean, this division does
19:00
Speaker 2: not lose unless they're playing each other. So those are
19:03
Speaker 2: your frustrations.
19:04
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was a pivotal game in terms of can
19:07
Speaker 8: the Packers still win the division?
19:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's going to take an inside straight of sorts.
19:12
Speaker 4: They're going to need help. It was a pivotal swing
19:16
Speaker 4: game yesterday. And it was the first game that the
19:18
Speaker 4: Lions played in the division. That's bizarre, too. And the
19:23
Speaker 4: Lions have only played six. They've had their bye. Yeah, exactly.
19:26
Speaker 2: They're a weird team, too, but we're not talking about
19:28
Speaker 2: the Lions. They're a weird team, too. They are. Listen,
19:33
Speaker 2: if the Packers win that game, if the Packers make
19:35
Speaker 2: a very makeable kick, we're talking about 95%, right? Probably
19:39
Speaker 2: when you're talking about, you're talking once again about Dan
19:43
Speaker 2: Campbell going.
19:44
Speaker 4: For fourth and one.
19:45
Speaker 2: Of course.
19:46
Speaker 8: He deserved to lose more than the Packers deserved to
19:48
Speaker 8: lose for his actions. And the Packers playing with their
19:51
Speaker 8: third string center.
19:52
Speaker 2: That was probably the best part of the John Williams.
19:55
Speaker 4: John Williams was fantastic.
19:57
Speaker 2: I'm calling him Hot Rod.
19:58
Speaker 4: Hot Rod Williams.
20:00
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
20:00
Speaker 4: The star out of Tulane in the Cleveland Cavs.
20:03
Speaker 8: Right, right, right.
20:04
Speaker 4: So hit us up, 877-794-1973. The baseball's been delicious, though,
20:08
Speaker 4: and a lot of people would make that trade, the
20:10
Speaker 4: deal with the devil. We will let the chips fall
20:15
Speaker 4: with the Packers if the Brewers can have this gilded
20:17
Speaker 4: path that they seem to be on. Now, let me
20:19
Speaker 4: ask you this, Armin. As the Eeyore, as the guy
20:21
Speaker 4: who's always looking for the clouds on the horizon.
20:22
Speaker 7: Oh, yes.
20:23
Speaker 4: How do you feel up 2-0? Are you still completely nervous?
20:26
Speaker 4: Are you at ease?
20:27
Speaker 2: Is it over?
20:28
Speaker 4: No.
20:29
Speaker 8: Does it have to end in Tampa this week for
20:32
Speaker 8: you to be satisfied and happy? I know there are
20:34
Speaker 8: a lot of people secretly wishing that the Brewers would
20:37
Speaker 8: win in six so they could celebrate at home.
20:39
Speaker 2: Right. I'm not with those because I don't want to
20:41
Speaker 2: risk losing. Now, I'll say this. If it has to
20:44
Speaker 2: be that, I'm going to be absolutely happy and delirious
20:46
Speaker 2: and satisfied. I'd be satisfied forever. If the Brewers win
20:50
Speaker 2: this series, I'll be satisfied no matter how it happens.
20:53
Speaker 2: It's not going to bother me one way or the
20:55
Speaker 2: other as long as I do. The nervousness in me,
20:58
Speaker 2: of course, wants to win it right away. We want
21:00
Speaker 2: to win as soon as possible because you want to
21:01
Speaker 2: risk losing. So I'm completely happy. I'd be overjoyed if
21:05
Speaker 2: they did get it done in Tampa, if they get
21:08
Speaker 2: it done at all, but especially in Tampa. It's not over.
21:10
Speaker 2: There's too many 2-0 leads in the series that I
21:13
Speaker 2: remember that went for and against us that I can
21:16
Speaker 2: cite as my little cherry-picked examples in my head to say, hey, no, no.
21:20
Speaker 2: But obviously 3-0 is a different stratosphere. But you're obviously
21:24
Speaker 2: happy and excited to be up 2-0. You couldn't have
21:27
Speaker 2: it any better than what you have right now. You
21:29
Speaker 2: have to tell yourself that intellectually, even though it's still nervous.
21:31
Speaker 2: The nervousness, and Billy's not here, but he'll attest to
21:33
Speaker 2: it when I say it, it's smelling those cookies in
21:35
Speaker 2: the oven. That's my cookies theory, and it's always going
21:38
Speaker 2: to be that.
21:39
Speaker 8: Yeah, Freddy Peralta against Bobby Diesel tonight, and it's, in
21:42
Speaker 8: essence to me, and I'll say it, it's an elimination
21:45
Speaker 8: game for the Rays.
21:46
Speaker 4: If they lose, they ain't coming back.
21:48
Speaker 2: That's how I feel. 3-0 is 3-0.
21:50
Speaker 8: And if they lose tonight, if they were to win tomorrow,
21:52
Speaker 8: then you're still in a commanding, commanding position.
21:57
Speaker 4: I'm with you. I would prefer that the series not
21:58
Speaker 4: come back. Wrap it up there. Finish it as expeditiously
22:02
Speaker 4: as possible. A sweep would put a stamp on it.
22:07
Speaker 8: Trust me, it won't make it any less sweet that
22:09
Speaker 8: it's not here. And again, this Rays team is pretty good.
22:12
Speaker 8: The breaks have been against them. The Brewers are a
22:13
Speaker 8: wagon right now. The Brewers are getting the breaks. The
22:15
Speaker 8: Rays certainly are capable of winning a couple games here.
22:20
Speaker 4: They've been making some mistakes. Brewers haven't played a clean
22:23
Speaker 4: game either.
22:23
Speaker 8: It's been a fascinating series on that front because both
22:25
Speaker 8: of these teams were so good during the regular season.
22:27
Speaker 4: And they've been, not themselves, but the Brewers are making
22:32
Speaker 4: the best of things.
22:33
Speaker 8: Whereas the Packers, adversity comes and then the snowball rolls
22:38
Speaker 8: down the hill in a bad way. So the Packers
22:40
Speaker 8: just can't... The Packers, they had the lead in the
22:44
Speaker 8: second half again yesterday.
22:45
Speaker 3: 14-10.
22:46
Speaker 4: Then it was tied and they ended up losing.
22:50
Speaker 4: Again, horrific circumstance.
22:52
Speaker 8: And as frustrating as the referees were, the Packers had
22:55
Speaker 8: a turnover under five minutes left, were gifted the ball,
22:59
Speaker 8: and gained three yards and missed a field goal. So
23:04
Speaker 8: it's on them as much as anything. They didn't overcome
23:06
Speaker 8: themselves or the referees. But again, two things can be true.
23:10
Speaker 8: You've got to hold those conflicting thoughts in your head.
23:11
Speaker 8: The Packers should have won that game, and the refereeing
23:13
Speaker 8: was atrocious, and it's reaching a crisis in the national
23:16
Speaker 8: football league. When we come back, we're going to talk
23:17
Speaker 8: to the voice of the Packers, And our friend, Wayne Larrabee,
23:21
Speaker 8: will join the party next. And then we're going to
23:24
Speaker 8: probably end up taking some angry texts about the refs
23:27
Speaker 8: and then just looking ahead and we'll serve as a
23:29
Speaker 8: pregame show, a hype train for what's going to happen.
23:32
Speaker 8: Game three, lots of cheesers in Tampa, including our own
23:35
Speaker 8: Hunter Baumgart. He joins us at 425. He'll have a
23:37
Speaker 8: show for you between five and seven, a two-hour pregame
23:40
Speaker 8: extravaganza leading into first pitch tonight. And Billy Schmidt, who
23:44
Speaker 8: is with his wife, Allie, down in Tampa, going to
23:47
Speaker 8: the game tonight.
23:48
Speaker 4: And then coming back, he'll be with us tomorrow. But
23:50
Speaker 4: he's going to join us at 325 with a scene setter.
23:52
Speaker 8: Get yourself a comfortable chair and a cool or hot
23:55
Speaker 8: beverage of your choice and just settle in.
23:57
Speaker 4: You're in the huddle, Fox Sports Radio, Wisconsin.
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24:13
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Speaker 8: and YouTube. Drew Olson and Armin Sarian. Bill Schmid is
24:20
Speaker 8: in Tampa. He has touched down and getting ready to
24:23
Speaker 8: go attend game three of the World Series. But right now,
24:27
Speaker 8: we're talking about the Packers and the Lions and looking
24:29
Speaker 8: ahead to Packers and Panthers. And joining us, our pal,
24:33
Speaker 8: the voice of the Packers, friend of the program, Wayne Larravee,
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24:47
Speaker 4: Wayne, welcome to the program.
24:51
Speaker 8: All I can say is we've been talking about all
24:52
Speaker 8: year the theme of the year for the Packers. A
24:56
Speaker 8: shaky running game, a historically shaky running game, drops by
24:59
Speaker 8: the receivers and penalties. And none of those things were
25:03
Speaker 8: alleviated yesterday. Oh, and we mixed in some missed kicks
25:06
Speaker 8: as well. I got to start with the officiating though.
25:09
Speaker 8: We have never been a second guest play calling or
25:13
Speaker 8: blame it on the refs show here.
25:15
Speaker 4: That's not my vibe.
25:16
Speaker 8: It's not Billy's or Armand's, but it's hard to, we've
25:18
Speaker 8: been talking about it league wide. It's hard to avoid
25:22
Speaker 8: what happened yesterday with the calls that went against Packers
25:24
Speaker 8: and just the whole tenor of officiating in the league.
25:27
Speaker 4: I think that's where we have to start today.
25:29
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't agree with you more, Drew. I've been
25:32
Speaker 6: saying this for weeks now. It's not just Packers games.
25:35
Speaker 6: And I understand much of our audience watches the Packers primarily.
25:39
Speaker 6: But if you watch games around the league like I do,
25:42
Speaker 6: this is something that is not indigenous to the Packers
25:45
Speaker 6: or their games. It's around the league. It's over-officiating over
25:50
Speaker 6: the top. And the only way, and I said this
25:53
Speaker 6: last week, the only way they can ruin this beautiful
25:56
Speaker 6: game is by over-officiating And that's exactly what they're doing
26:00
Speaker 6: across the National Football League. Now, you look at yesterday's
26:03
Speaker 6: game in Detroit. The inconsistencies. They let these teams play
26:08
Speaker 6: in the first half. Two accepted penalties combined by both teams.
26:16
Speaker 6: One for five yards on each team. But in the
26:19
Speaker 6: second half, my goodness, 11 penalties, 121 yards, seven penalties
26:23
Speaker 6: against Green Bay, 76 yards. And, of course, it's never
26:29
Speaker 6: about how many penalties. It's what the penalties cost you
26:33
Speaker 6: and where do they come in the context of the game.
26:36
Speaker 6: And the Packers have had really bad luck in those
26:38
Speaker 6: two areas.
26:39
Speaker 2: And that's what I think is frustrating most fans is
26:41
Speaker 2: the timing of a lot of them. It seems inconsistent, Wayne.
26:45
Speaker 2: And Drew and Billy were talking about it last night
26:47
Speaker 2: on Packers OT as well. What actionable steps could the
26:50
Speaker 2: league actually take to improve this? Would full-time officiating be
26:54
Speaker 2: an option? I know Drew and Billy debate that a lot.
26:58
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know.
26:59
Speaker 6: No, I think it's a matter of there has to
27:01
Speaker 6: be a little bit of judgment in this. And I
27:04
Speaker 6: think what the league has done, what the initiating arm
27:07
Speaker 6: of the league has done, is trying to take judgment
27:10
Speaker 6: out of the process. You know, for example, the Brandon
27:14
Speaker 6: Cisse pass interference that cost him an interception. If you
27:19
Speaker 6: look at that play, yeah, he gets run into by
27:22
Speaker 6: the receiver. Yeah, he's got his hands on his shoulder pads.
27:25
Speaker 6: But did he do anything to gain an advantage? Did
27:28
Speaker 6: he shove Amon Ross St. Brown out of the way?
27:31
Speaker 6: Did he hold Amon Ross St.
27:32
Speaker 7: Brown?
27:33
Speaker 6: And the answer, if you watch the replay, is no
27:35
Speaker 6: to both of those questions. So consequently, it's a play
27:39
Speaker 6: the official didn't really have to throw a flag on.
27:41
Speaker 6: But technically, he had his hands on him. And so
27:45
Speaker 6: by the letter of the law, the official had to
27:48
Speaker 6: throw the flag. And here's the other thing I've said
27:51
Speaker 6: many times over the last several weeks. We all blame
27:54
Speaker 6: the officials on the field. But understand this. If they
27:58
Speaker 6: make a judgment call and don't throw a flag, they
28:01
Speaker 6: will be downgraded by the league office during the week.
28:04
Speaker 6: So this is something that the league has to look
28:07
Speaker 6: at from the top on down.
28:09
Speaker 8: That's very well put. Wayne Larrabee joining us here on
28:11
Speaker 8: the huddle. Yeah, the ecosystem needs fixing.
28:14
Speaker 4: I don't know. For me, it's like if those guys
28:16
Speaker 4: had to quit their jobs as.
28:18
Speaker 8: President of their own insurance agency or bank vice president
28:22
Speaker 8: or school principal, Does that make their eyesight better or
28:24
Speaker 8: does it make them more physically gifted in terms of
28:28
Speaker 8: training to turn their hips and be able to see
28:30
Speaker 8: more plays? I don't know if that's going to help
28:32
Speaker 8: that much. It might make people feel better about the
28:36
Speaker 8: officiating or that it's more under control. But you're right, Wayne.
28:39
Speaker 8: And the subjectivity of it has always been there. But
28:43
Speaker 8: what's a penalty?
28:43
Speaker 4: What's not? Perfect example with Cisse. Not all penalties are
28:47
Speaker 4: created equal.
28:47
Speaker 8: And it seems like the Packers penalties extend drives or
28:50
Speaker 8: cost them turnovers.
28:52
Speaker 2: Right?
28:53
Speaker 8: And the CSA play, I saw a play in the
28:55
Speaker 8: middle of the field with a back judge looking right
28:57
Speaker 8: at it where a defender held Matthew Golden's arm and
29:01
Speaker 8: he forced him to try to make a one-arm catch.
29:03
Speaker 4: And it was in plain sight. It wasn't just normal
29:06
Speaker 4: hand fighting.
29:06
Speaker 8: It looked to me like he was gaining an advantage
29:08
Speaker 8: and preventing an attempt at a catch. And that was
29:12
Speaker 8: no call, nothing to see here, folks. And even like
29:15
Speaker 8: Brady and, uh, And Kevin Burkhardt kind of glossed over
29:18
Speaker 8: it and like, Oh no, that was, that could have
29:20
Speaker 8: been called like, yeah, well, what are we doing? If
29:23
Speaker 8: one's a penalty and the other isn't, that's where the
29:24
Speaker 8: frustration comes in and no one can trust what they're seeing.
29:28
Speaker 8: And Wayne, what's killing me about they're sucking the joy
29:30
Speaker 8: out of the game. Because when you see an exciting play,
29:32
Speaker 8: your first reaction now is, all right, what are they
29:34
Speaker 8: going to call?
29:34
Speaker 4: Where's the flag? I guess it stands for now. The
29:40
Speaker 4: experience is being ruined in my eyes.
29:42
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't agree with you more, Drew, and you're right.
29:45
Speaker 6: I mean, every time now something, a big play happens,
29:48
Speaker 6: you're looking for the flag. They're going to stop this play,
29:50
Speaker 6: aren't they? You know, it's gotten that way, and it's
29:53
Speaker 6: that way across the league, folks. It's not just the Packers.
29:57
Speaker 6: You know, I don't care what the numbers overall say.
30:01
Speaker 6: It's never about the numbers. It's the penalties they call
30:03
Speaker 6: and when they call them that change the complexion of
30:06
Speaker 6: a game and or a season.
30:09
Speaker 8: Okay, the numbers of this game, Packers won the turnover
30:12
Speaker 8: battle 2-1. Time of possession, the Lions won by three seconds.
30:16
Speaker 8: It was a back-and-forth game, typical knockdown, drag-out, NFC North battle,
30:22
Speaker 8: kind of.
30:22
Speaker 4: What we expected.
30:24
Speaker 8: Maybe lower scoring than we expected, but kind of what
30:26
Speaker 8: we expected. Uh, Packers though, five for 15 on third
30:30
Speaker 8: down mitigated somewhat by going three for four on fourth down, uh,
30:34
Speaker 8: but one for four in the red zone. And again,
30:36
Speaker 8: that's been a season long theme. And when you miss
30:38
Speaker 8: two kicks like that and you lose the way they did,
30:40
Speaker 8: we're going to focus on the kicking game. What stands
30:42
Speaker 8: out to you the most Wayne is, um, officiating aside
30:46
Speaker 8: and take that out of the equation.
30:48
Speaker 4: Where did the Packers come up short that cost them
30:51
Speaker 4: this victory?
30:53
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I don't think they took advantage of
30:55
Speaker 6: the Detroit secondary. I was impressed with the way the
30:58
Speaker 6: Lions played defensively in the secondary. They came in last
31:01
Speaker 6: in the league in passing yardage allowed. They were giving
31:05
Speaker 6: up 68% completions. They were getting torched through the air,
31:10
Speaker 6: 29th in opponent passer rating, and yet the Packers weren't
31:14
Speaker 6: able to do a whole lot. You know, the big
31:17
Speaker 6: two for Green Bay. I'm going to give you these stats, okay?
31:22
Speaker 6: Matthew Gold and Christian Watson, way off of their numbers,
31:26
Speaker 6: their combined numbers on a regular basis, 11 receptions, 20 targets,
31:32
Speaker 6: just 11 receptions. That's a little bit better than 50%
31:35
Speaker 6: completion rate, and it should be much higher than that.
31:39
Speaker 6: 96 yards, well below what these two guys do on
31:42
Speaker 6: a combined basis, no touchdowns. They average 8.7 yards per reception.
31:47
Speaker 6: So I was really surprised about that aspect of it.
31:50
Speaker 6: But the other thing is this. If the Packers can't
31:54
Speaker 6: run the football any better than they are now, as
31:58
Speaker 6: this season will wear on, it'll get harder and harder
32:02
Speaker 6: to get numbers through the air, okay? Because teams are
32:06
Speaker 6: going to be able to scheme their defense a different way.
32:09
Speaker 6: They're not going to have to worry too much about
32:10
Speaker 6: the run. The safeties are going to set. You're going
32:12
Speaker 6: to see two safeties high a lot. You're going to
32:14
Speaker 6: see zone coverage a lot because teams are not going
32:18
Speaker 6: to be worried so much about the run. they're going
32:20
Speaker 6: to be taking away the pass, and if they do that,
32:22
Speaker 6: they feel like, well, make the Packers beat us on
32:25
Speaker 6: the ground, and they probably can't. That's what the other
32:28
Speaker 6: team will be saying as we go along. Now, Josh
32:31
Speaker 6: Jacobs got some run yesterday, and I thought, you know,
32:36
Speaker 6: maybe a little, maybe he was a little rusty, but
32:39
Speaker 6: I didn't see he had much more to run through
32:42
Speaker 6: in terms of holes to run through than I've seen
32:46
Speaker 6: earlier in the season with the other two backs, and
32:48
Speaker 6: so I You know, we were all hoping, OK, Josh
32:51
Speaker 6: Jacobs is back.
32:52
Speaker 7: Now the Packers are going to rush for 150 yards.
32:54
Speaker 6: And that didn't happen. Now, maybe it will down the road.
32:57
Speaker 6: Maybe it will on Thursday night. Josh is shaking off
33:00
Speaker 6: some rust. But actually, he was more effective as a
33:03
Speaker 6: receiver than he was as a running back in this offense.
33:08
Speaker 6: So but I think you really, you know, Kansas City
33:11
Speaker 6: has the same problem. Kansas City got torched last night
33:14
Speaker 6: with 20 to three. I mean, that was not even
33:17
Speaker 6: as close as that final score would indicate it last
33:19
Speaker 6: night because the Chiefs couldn't run the ball. Seattle stopped
33:22
Speaker 6: the run, and that was it. Kansas City couldn't throw
33:24
Speaker 6: the ball. Teams are going to scheme Green Bay differently
33:28
Speaker 6: if the Packers show they cannot balance their offense, and
33:31
Speaker 6: I know that's a huge concern for Coach LaFleur and
33:34
Speaker 6: his offensive staff.
33:36
Speaker 8: Given the way the game unfolded, though, losing Sean Ryan
33:38
Speaker 8: early and then Jacob Monk right after that.
33:40
Speaker 2: I was going to say, two centers you lost.
33:42
Speaker 8: They held up pretty well with Armand's calling him John
33:46
Speaker 8: Hot Rod Williams.
33:47
Speaker 2: Hot Rod.
33:48
Speaker 4: Hot Rod Williams. That's a reference. At center, I was
33:51
Speaker 4: just glad he got the ball snapped and did okay.
33:54
Speaker 8: The Lions got their starting center back from injury yesterday,
33:57
Speaker 8: and he caused two fumbles.
33:59
Speaker 7: Yeah.
34:00
Speaker 4: And the Packers third string guy.
34:01
Speaker 8: Who barely even, well, we don't see practice once camp
34:05
Speaker 8: is over, but I remember him in camp, mostly a tackle,
34:08
Speaker 8: and he screwed up a couple snaps, and then we
34:10
Speaker 8: didn't see him in practice anymore and center. So I
34:13
Speaker 8: guess he is the emergency, and he gets some work
34:15
Speaker 8: back there. But, Wayne, that could have been disastrous, and
34:18
Speaker 8: they kind of avoided that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Larry gave him his offensive lineman of the game
34:24
Speaker 6: award because he came in, like you said, Drew, cold. And,
34:28
Speaker 6: you know, handled all the snaps. There wasn't a problem,
34:32
Speaker 6: you know. And, hey, listen, you can expect a problem
34:35
Speaker 6: or two when you've got a guy who's been a
34:37
Speaker 6: tackle most of the year. Now he's got to play
34:38
Speaker 6: center right on the spot, no preparation. And yet, you know,
34:42
Speaker 6: I thought he held up pretty well. I thought the
34:44
Speaker 6: line held up fairly well, too. You know, Detroit had
34:48
Speaker 6: a sack. They had six quarterback hits, but only one
34:51
Speaker 6: tackle for loss. And, you know, I think the Packers
34:55
Speaker 6: line held up okay. In this circumstance, it's just, hey,
35:00
Speaker 6: the grit, the determination, Larry said it best on the air.
35:04
Speaker 6: You can't question that. The Packers brought that to the table.
35:07
Speaker 6: They brought physicality to the table. But there were opportunities
35:11
Speaker 6: to win this game. And the Packers, when those opportunities
35:14
Speaker 6: showed themselves, weren't able to get it done. That was
35:17
Speaker 6: the disappointing aspect of this game.
35:19
Speaker 2: That's right.
35:19
Speaker 8: And they didn't, you mentioned it in the pregame and
35:21
Speaker 8: last week with us, getting Jared Goff off his spot.
35:24
Speaker 8: They didn't get a lot of heat on Jericho.
35:26
Speaker 2: They didn't.
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Speaker 7: No, they didn't.
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Speaker 4: They didn't rough him up.
35:28
Speaker 6: Lucas Van Ness working against maybe the best. Well, one
35:32
Speaker 6: of the best tackles in the game. Panay Sewell, very
35:35
Speaker 6: quiet game. At one point off the.
35:37
Speaker 7: Air, I said to Larry, is Lucas Van Ness in
35:39
Speaker 7: this game?
35:40
Speaker 6: Because you know what? I mean, he just, you know,
35:42
Speaker 6: you didn't see much at all. And, you know, Van
35:45
Speaker 6: Ness had no tackles. He had one quarterback hit.
35:48
Speaker 2: So Sewell locked him up.
35:50
Speaker 4: Speaking of, are they in this game?
35:51
Speaker 8: Like Packers had Aaron Glenn active. allegedly and Kevin Zeitler
35:57
Speaker 8: inactive for yesterday. And a lot of folks were thinking
36:00
Speaker 8: that this would be the Kevin Zeitler weekend. Josh Jacobs
36:02
Speaker 8: is back and let's see what the running game looks
36:03
Speaker 8: like now. Will the Sean Ryan injury prompt anything? Do
36:08
Speaker 8: you think Wayne, do they have to now go to
36:10
Speaker 8: Kevin Zeitler? You're beginning to wonder why they took him
36:12
Speaker 8: off the couch in Eagle river and why they didn't
36:15
Speaker 8: just let him pay him 4 million to come in and,
36:17
Speaker 8: and be a coach during practice to.
36:20
Speaker 2: Help the young guys.
36:20
Speaker 4: Like what are we seeing here? And where does that,
36:23
Speaker 4: that line go from here?
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Speaker 6: Somebody said to me when the inactives came out, said,
36:27
Speaker 6: I want the job where I get $ 4 million a
36:30
Speaker 6: year to be inactive.
36:33
Speaker 7: I thought that was a great line.
36:36
Speaker 6: But, no, I think that what the Packers have been doing, Drew, and, hey,
36:40
Speaker 6: there could be some changes this week.
36:42
Speaker 7: Who knows? And the status of Sean Ryan going forward.
36:45
Speaker 6: He's got what appeared to be an apparently significant ankle injury.
36:49
Speaker 7: I don't know.
36:50
Speaker 6: I didn't hear anything today yet. But– there could be
36:53
Speaker 6: some moves on the offensive line, but what they've been
36:55
Speaker 6: trying to do the last several weeks, three or four
36:58
Speaker 6: weeks now is keep the same group together. Continuity is
37:01
Speaker 6: so important on the offensive line and they're trying to
37:04
Speaker 6: get these guys to play together, get that continuity and
37:07
Speaker 6: hope that it would get better as the season went along.
37:10
Speaker 6: You know, we're just not seeing a lot of room
37:12
Speaker 6: for the run game. And if they can't get the
37:14
Speaker 6: run game going, it's going to get harder to pass
37:17
Speaker 6: the football, even against some of these bad pass defenses
37:20
Speaker 6: like Dallas and Detroit.
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Speaker 2: Wayne, I thought it was another good night for the defense,
37:24
Speaker 2: forcing some turnovers against a team that doesn't do it
37:26
Speaker 2: a lot and keeping the Packers in this game consistently.
37:29
Speaker 6: And Armin, Jared Goff was on the verge of throwing
37:32
Speaker 6: a couple of interceptions in that game, and he hasn't
37:34
Speaker 6: thrown an interception yet this year.
37:36
Speaker 2: One got called back by the penalty, yeah.
37:39
Speaker 7: Yeah, one called back by the penalty. There was another one.
37:41
Speaker 6: I think there was a dropped interception by the Packers
37:44
Speaker 6: also in that game. No, I thought the defense played
37:47
Speaker 6: admirably and they played well all year. Jonathan Gannon, I
37:51
Speaker 6: think because of the receiving core that he was facing,
37:55
Speaker 6: didn't bring as much pressure off the edges as he
37:58
Speaker 6: has in some other games. But, you know, every game
38:02
Speaker 6: is different. Every game plan is different. And Detroit presented, obviously,
38:05
Speaker 6: with Amon Ross, St. Brown, Jamison Williams. Isaac Teslaw was
38:10
Speaker 6: very quiet, but he's an effective receiver for.
38:12
Speaker 7: Them on the outside.
38:13
Speaker 6: And then Sam Laporta, You know, I mean, next to
38:16
Speaker 6: McBride in Arizona might be the best or one of
38:19
Speaker 6: the best pass-catching tight ends in the game today. So
38:22
Speaker 6: with that having been said, with those targets out there,
38:26
Speaker 6: you know, you really risk taking a cornerback and blitzing
38:29
Speaker 6: them off the edge, although Keyshawn got a tackle for loss.
38:33
Speaker 6: You know, they made some plays, but weren't able to
38:35
Speaker 6: bring the pressure the way they normally would, I think,
38:37
Speaker 6: because they had to make sure they had these guys
38:40
Speaker 6: covered downfield.
38:41
Speaker 8: All right, final question here for Wayne Larrabee. There's no
38:43
Speaker 8: time to wallow. The Packers play Thursday night against Carolina.
38:46
Speaker 8: Carolina at home yesterday got absolutely slaughtered.
38:50
Speaker 7: Boat raced.
38:51
Speaker 8: By Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay scored 26 points in the
38:54
Speaker 8: second quarter. Baker Mayfield was the winning quarterback. He was
38:57
Speaker 8: 7 for 11 for 64 yards and a touchdown. They
38:59
Speaker 8: rushed for 258 yards on 49 attempts. Now, does this
39:06
Speaker 8: mean that the Packers have to try to establish some
39:07
Speaker 8: kind of running game against that defense? Would you rather
39:10
Speaker 8: face a team coming off a 43-13 victory on Thursday
39:12
Speaker 8: night or a 43-13 home loss?
39:15
Speaker 4: Who would you rather face?
39:18
Speaker 7: I would rather not face an NFC South team.
39:20
Speaker 6: Why?
39:21
Speaker 7: Well, people say, well, it's a bad division.
39:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, but all of those teams are capable of knocking
39:26
Speaker 6: off anybody in the league. Look what Atlanta did in
39:30
Speaker 6: Green Bay a few Thursday nights ago, and look what
39:32
Speaker 6: they did yesterday to San Francisco. And I understand the Niners,
39:36
Speaker 6: all these injuries and everything, but that didn't prevent them
39:38
Speaker 6: from going, what, 6-0?
39:40
Speaker 7: No, come on. These teams are really capable.
39:42
Speaker 6: Tampa Bay. blew away Dallas to get their first win
39:46
Speaker 6: of the season, and then they blow out Carolina. Carolina
39:50
Speaker 6: gave up 59 to the Bears on opening day, and
39:54
Speaker 6: yet three, four weeks later, they buried Detroit. They dominated
39:59
Speaker 6: Detroit in a Sunday night victory. You never know what
40:02
Speaker 6: you're going to get with these NFC South teams. I'd
40:06
Speaker 6: rather not even bother with them, but the Packers have
40:08
Speaker 6: this one on Thursday night, and the thing about this
40:11
Speaker 6: game is Drew is that I think Carolina will come
40:13
Speaker 6: in here.
40:14
Speaker 7: I think they'll try to run the football again.
40:16
Speaker 6: That's how that, that was the formula for them in
40:18
Speaker 6: a 16, 13 win last year. The guys really wasn't
40:22
Speaker 6: as close as 16 to 13 Carolina dominated in the
40:25
Speaker 6: trenches in that game.
40:26
Speaker 4: That's what I remember as well.
40:27
Speaker 8: It's going to be an interesting week, obviously a quick week.
40:30
Speaker 8: There's no Packers availability today, I guess, uh, Lafleur tomorrow.
40:34
Speaker 8: And then the coordinators on Wednesday, if I'm not mistaken, um, uh,
40:38
Speaker 8: They can talk about the offensive line. We'll know some
40:41
Speaker 8: more things heading into Thursday, I believe. Wayne, on the
40:45
Speaker 8: way out, what do you think about the Brewers? Do
40:47
Speaker 8: they have a sweep in them? Can they end this
40:49
Speaker 8: series in Tampa?
40:52
Speaker 6: Why not, Drew? I mean, they're down 4-0 the other night.
40:56
Speaker 6: That was nothing. That just meant it would be a
40:59
Speaker 6: little more dramatic in the end. No, they're playing terrific.
41:03
Speaker 6: I think Tampa's a very good team as well. Wouldn't
41:05
Speaker 6: surprise me if Tampa got a game down in Tampa,
41:09
Speaker 6: maybe even two, I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise
41:12
Speaker 6: me if that series comes back to Milwaukee. But on
41:14
Speaker 6: the other hand, I'd be, I wouldn't be surprised at
41:18
Speaker 6: all if the Brewers got it done in Tampa in
41:21
Speaker 6: these next three nights. So just, you know, it's been
41:24
Speaker 6: tremendous to watch them play and how much confidence they're
41:28
Speaker 6: playing with. That's the thing you got to look at,
41:30
Speaker 6: how much confidence they are playing with. And they're playing
41:33
Speaker 6: on such an edge. And it hasn't been just for
41:36
Speaker 6: the playoffs. They finish, as you guys well know better
41:38
Speaker 6: than I, they finish the regular season strong as well.
41:42
Speaker 6: So this is no fluke. They're not on a heater.
41:46
Speaker 6: This is how they're playing, and this is who they are.
41:48
Speaker 6: They're going to win the World Series, guys. It's just
41:51
Speaker 6: a matter, will they bring it back to Milwaukee? Do
41:54
Speaker 6: you want them to take that chance and bring it
41:56
Speaker 6: back to Milwaukee?
41:57
Speaker 2: No chances.
41:58
Speaker 8: Arm is nervous, but in order to lose the series,
42:00
Speaker 8: they'd have to lose four out of five, something they've
42:01
Speaker 8: only done like twice since April.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
42:04
Speaker 4: From your mouth to God's ears, Wayne. Just saying, just saying.
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Speaker 8: Wayne, thanks for joining us. We look forward to Thursday
42:09
Speaker 8: night at Lambeau.
42:11
Speaker 7: Well, we are, but go Brewers in the meantime. We're
42:13
Speaker 7: looking forward to that as well.
42:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, can't wait till tonight.
42:15
Speaker 7: Thanks, Wayne. You got it, guys.
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42:28
Speaker 4: You're in the huddle, Fox Sports Radio, Wisconsin. It's the
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Speaker 4: Monday edition of The Huddle.
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Speaker 8: Fox Sports Radio Wisconsin, Drew Olson, Armin Sarian, Bill Schmid's
42:35
Speaker 8: going to join us in about half hour. Hunter Baumgart
42:38
Speaker 8: joins us at 4.30. They're both in Tampa, and it's
42:41
Speaker 8: rare for me in sports to have FOMO. Because it's like, oh,
42:45
Speaker 8: it'd be great to go on the road. It's like,
42:46
Speaker 8: after all the years I did it, it's like, well,
42:48
Speaker 8: it's just another trip, another hotel. But I'd like to
42:50
Speaker 8: be in Tampa now, not only for the weather.
42:53
Speaker 2: But to experience the madness of Brewers fans and what
42:55
Speaker 2: might be.
42:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, of what could be.
42:58
Speaker 2: Just like JDM Shane going down there tomorrow with four
43:00
Speaker 2: and five with Rowan.
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Speaker 3: All right.
43:02
Speaker 2: A lot of people chiming in.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: You know, I could be selfishly, we always say media
43:07
Speaker 8: starts with me, but I could say, well, you know,
43:12
Speaker 8: maybe if it was in game six, I'd get to
43:13
Speaker 8: see the clinchings.
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Speaker 4: I'm not that way.
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Speaker 8: If the Brewers are going to win, win it on
43:18
Speaker 8: your own time, and I'm not worried about my own personal,
43:21
Speaker 8: whether I have to be there or not.
43:23
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no question the experience would be special
43:25
Speaker 2: to win it at home. But I rather think that
43:28
Speaker 2: we would be celebrating it no matter what happens, what experience.
43:32
Speaker 2: And I don't think it'll change in one bit, so
43:34
Speaker 2: I don't care. However, yeah, I mean, if you could
43:38
Speaker 2: play sports gods and do whatever you want.
43:39
Speaker 4: The Packers' last Super Bowl did not have a home
43:42
Speaker 4: game in the run.
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Speaker 7: No.
43:44
Speaker 4: At least the Brewers have had some runs.
43:45
Speaker 7: No.
43:46
Speaker 2: And do we remember it differently?
43:47
Speaker 1: No.
43:47
Speaker 2: I mean, so listen, it is what it is. The
43:51
Speaker 2: job's in front of them now. So there's going to
43:54
Speaker 2: be a great Brewer contingent, Brewer fan contingent, excuse me,
43:57
Speaker 2: down there. It seems like from all the facts available
44:01
Speaker 2: to us that so many Brewers fans, you know, anecdotally,
44:04
Speaker 2: we've seen the flights, we've seen all that. Should be
44:06
Speaker 2: a good crowd there supporting the Brewers there, Drew. So
44:11
Speaker 2: I think we're all excited about that as well.
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Speaker 8: Ben on the NicoletLaw.com talk and text line, 877-794-1973. He said,
44:18
Speaker 8: if the Brewers lose any game, the only one I'm
44:20
Speaker 8: okay losing is to fastball Freddie.
44:23
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I like Freddie, but I also think that
44:25
Speaker 2: I'm going to not feel anything for him. I like
44:28
Speaker 2: him a lot. I'm proud that he's got the LCS
44:30
Speaker 2: and that he's done well. I still want to win
44:33
Speaker 2: this game, obviously. Would I be okay losing? I'm not
44:35
Speaker 2: going to feel good if we lose. That's just not
44:37
Speaker 2: going to happen.
44:38
Speaker 4: Here's the thing.
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Speaker 8: Are you really losing to Freddie, who at the most
44:41
Speaker 8: is going to go five or six innings?
44:43
Speaker 2: Starters are just like... The idea of a starter is
44:47
Speaker 2: just a reasonable facsimile thereof when it comes to the
44:50
Speaker 2: World Series. It's just three or four innings, and you're out.
44:53
Speaker 8: It's gotten to the point where starting pitching, that's a
44:57
Speaker 8: regular season thing. You could just go with bullpen days.
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Speaker 2: And Smoltz hit on it the other day. And yeah,
45:04
Speaker 2: it's hard to explain. It's my dad and my uncle.
45:06
Speaker 2: They're not even looking for five innings out of these
45:08
Speaker 2: guys really that much anymore. They're three or four, and
45:11
Speaker 2: then we're going to get to different looks, different bullpen guys.
45:14
Speaker 2: It was the 2005 White Sox crew that had four
45:16
Speaker 2: complete games from starters, I think, to win or something
45:19
Speaker 2: like that. Those days are long gone. And we know
45:21
Speaker 2: what Freddie is able to do, but we also know
45:23
Speaker 2: that sometimes he gets saddled with the pitch count situation.
45:27
Speaker 2: The thing is, the Rays will be desperate tonight. They're
45:29
Speaker 2: going to probably look at it like a Game 7.
45:32
Speaker 2: They have to win a Game 3. They're going to
45:36
Speaker 2: look at it that way. We don't know what they're
45:38
Speaker 2: going to try and do and push. I suppose if
45:40
Speaker 2: Freddie's cruising, they're going to try and push him as
45:42
Speaker 2: long as they can, but Yeah, you're right. I mean,
45:45
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be losing to Freddie. It's unlikely he'd be
45:48
Speaker 2: crushing you for eight or nine innings. It's just not
45:50
Speaker 2: how it goes anymore.
45:50
Speaker 4: Yeah, not at all.
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Speaker 4: All right, mentioned, Billy's going to join us. He is
46:20
Speaker 4: traveling to the game. He didn't get to go to
46:23
Speaker 4: a World Series game in Milwaukee. There might not be
46:24
Speaker 4: another one in this round, in this go-around. But he
46:28
Speaker 4: is going to be at the game tonight at the Trop,
46:31
Speaker 4: wearing Brewer's gear and hollering with the rest of the cheesers.
46:34
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be a full-fledged invasion.
46:37
Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, it just seems too much obvious
46:41
Speaker 2: to me. Like, everybody's going down there. The tickets are dropping.
46:44
Speaker 4: Sure seems like it. Brewer fans were on this early.
46:46
Speaker 4: It sure seems like it. Yeah, they found the workaround.
46:48
Speaker 8: It's cheaper to go there and spend the airfare than
46:50
Speaker 8: it was to attend the games in Milwaukee, which, by
46:52
Speaker 8: the way, were spectacular. The atmosphere was fantastic. We'll talk
46:56
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