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New Video Evidence Lee Harvey Oswald Was Near JFK Limo During Assassination — James Files Corroborates · Unleashing Intuition Secrets

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  Hello everyone, it's Michael Jaco with Unleashing Intuition Secrets.
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  Joined once again by James Files, and Pamela Ray and Jim Scott.
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  We're gonna be talking about some new things that have come out just recently.
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  There's a lot of stuff we talked about.
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  Lee Harvey Oswald they made him into a patsy.
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  He was part of this assassin team and so forth.
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  But he wasn't a shooter.
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  He was there at the scene and evidently they have video now, or
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  they've had video for a long time, been hiding it from us where he was
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  close to the limo during the shooting.
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  So they actually have video of that, and we're gonna play a little clip of that.
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  But before that, thanks guys for coming in again.
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  This is a great time.
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  James, we're so glad you're still hanging in there and you can still speak, although
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  you don't wanna show your face right now.
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  We're gonna keep you behind the scenes right now, but you're gonna
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  be speaking back there and Jim Scott.
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  Yeah,
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  thank you for having us today and wanna say to you and to your
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  audience, all the listeners, and hope they find it interesting today.
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  Absolutely.
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  And Jim?
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  Yes,
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  Jim Scott.
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  Oh, hey brother.
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  How you
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  doing?
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  I'll say James for you and I'll say Jim Jake's
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  trying to talk to Jim Scott.
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  Too
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  many gyms.
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  Yeah.
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  Go ahead and speak, Jim.
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  It's,
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  It's really interesting when we have Jim Manning on as well, and it's three gyms.
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  I know
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  It's a beautiful day in Central Virginia today, and I'm really
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  looking forward to the call.
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  Your audience needs to get a pad of paper and a pen because we're gonna give out
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  some websites and some information that's gonna be critical that they may wanna be
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  involved with those that maybe don't have a copy of primary target JFK already.
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  Or there's another thing that it really hasn't been available much in the past.
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  It's an autographed copy of the DOJ interview and it's titled, did James
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  Files Kill President John F. Kennedy.
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  And this is like 90 page DOJ interview that validates that he's the grassy
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  old shooter, and you can get like an autographed copy from Pam.
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  And then the JFK, also, but she'll give the the website and everything.
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  There's a share and donate thing on their webpage.
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  And that if they're ready to take a note, here, we'll pause here in the near future.
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  And the other book, which really I actually Pam wrote a
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  book called To Kill a Country.
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  And yeah, there you go.
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  What an awesome book.
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  And you can get an autograph copy from James now, and the one
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  that's nearly impossible to get is harder to get than the book Ed.
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  But to kill a country, they're just basically not available.
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  I found this one on eBay and I got it pretty cheap, but they're like, Reed, some
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  copies are registered, are selling for 400 bucks now, and this to kill a country.
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  If there was one on eBay, I imagine it'd go for two or $300, at least.
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  And if you want a copy of the DOJ interview I don't know.
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  When did that happen, Jim?
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  Pam.
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  That was the first, it was a confession of an assassin.
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  1994.
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  Yeah.
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  94.
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  Yeah.
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  And your DOJ interview, when did that happen?
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  That was in 94.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  But anyway so it's been around, but it wasn't available to the public and,
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  no.
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  He's able to make copies of it now.
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  And the cover page,
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  It was a transcript of the confession of a thousand video.
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  Okay.
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  And the manuscript man.
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  The manuscript, it's got the side notes and everything where the government looked
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  at it and checked over by a, there you go.
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  A C Griffin.
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  Yeah,
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  that's right.
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  And it verifies a lot of things.
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  I'm
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  the Crow agency.
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  They charged, I think it was 90,000 or a hundred thousand
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  dollars to investigate me.
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  Yeah.
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  And MPI picked up the tab on that 'cause they wanted to know it was.
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  Was for real, or I was bullshitting him.
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  Yeah.
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  And so they said, investigate this man from one end to the other end.
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  Yeah.
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  There's a lot to talk about.
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  We're gonna let you decide one way or the other what you want to do.
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  And Michael, if you want, I sent you some pictures to guide the
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  conversation, but there's a lot of stuff that I sent a list to you.
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  Yeah.
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  And if you wanna bring those things up and James can just talk about it and
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  Yeah.
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  Let's start with that one video with Anna Paul.
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  So I was talk, we were talking about that before the show and that kinda leads us
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  into, current events, I guess if you will.
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  And how things are starting to move and the direction that we've always
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  trying to try to get 'em to move into.
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  Of course, a lot of people have spoken out about this over the years, but this
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  is probably one of the better things that this point that we've seen that
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  hopefully can get more involvement.
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  So this was it says NBC News primetime says that NBC has a secret tape that
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  shows Lee Harvey Oswald near JFK's vehicle when the assassination took place,
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  which would mean he wasn't the shooter.
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  What do you say about that?
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  James,
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  I always said he wasn't the shooter because we have a
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  police copy of the Perpen test.
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  It was given to Lee Harvey Oswald, and there's no way that he fired shot
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  from rifle from a rifle that day.
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  Wow.
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  So I know that like a day or two before that he was showing you around,
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  you've talked about that in the
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  past.
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  Oh yeah.
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  We spent five days together.
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  Five days.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah, because I learned all the side streets, back streets, railroad
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  crossings train the times the trains would cross in case we was
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  involved in a high speed chase.
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  Wow.
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  I didn't wanna go down the street, have a train curling, the
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  track's there and get blocked off.
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  I didn't, I wanted to know everything.
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  I didn't wanna run down a dead end street.
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  Yeah.
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  And give you guys some insights.
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  That's the way when I was in special Forces Steel Team six,
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  high, the highest level of tier one.
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  When I was working for the CIA, we would get briefs by guys like that all the time.
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  We would come into a country or for a target or a mission or whatever,
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  and someone would brief us, and then we would conduct the the mission.
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  So that's pretty much what James is talking about right there.
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  So James is pretty much involved in, and I've seen these groups over my lifetime
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  in the military at the highest levels and in the CIA there were groups like
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  James Assassin teams and so forth that would come in and conduct missions.
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  So I saw them over the years.
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  So he is, he was working for the military.
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  He was working for the government.
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  Now, I know a lot of people think that, oh he's an evil man,
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  but that's not the case guys.
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  He was not, he was part of a very highly trained trained at the level
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  that I was at the very highest levels and probably went through
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  some of the same training that I did.
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  And that's the way the military.
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  There's a parallel military and a parallel government that's running.
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  And they, incorporate guys like me sometimes.
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  'Cause I would Now James, did you have regular military support
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  some of your missions in the past
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  and some of them yes.
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  When I worked in Vietnam and also when I was in the the Middle East in Pakistan,
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  working there outta there because the main road in the Afghanistan got their
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  supplies come through Pakistan there.
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  Yep.
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  And we was trying to shut a lot of that down.
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  Wow.
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  And I didn't like the Middle East and I didn't like working there.
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  Yeah.
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  It's not a fun place.
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  But yeah, I worked there a lot myself in both of those countries as well.
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  Let's, we'll take the jungle any day over that.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh yeah, definitely.
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  So let's look at this video and then maybe we can discuss a little
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  bit about Lee Harvey Oswald.
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  Okay, Patsy,
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  he actually has a video that's never been seen before.
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  We're actually going to be a set, sending a letter requesting that
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  from NBC because it allegedly shows Oswald near the vehicle when the
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  assassination took place, which means that he couldn't have been the shooter.
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  So again, we're tracking down all this information.
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  But look, there's even a CIA document that came out that Mr. Morley pointed
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  out that actually said that the CIA never bought the lone gunman theory.
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  And so I think the American people had an inclination as to what we were saying, but
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  we never had the hard evidence until now.
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  And so it's important to note that in a free and fair society,
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  how could you operate or have a agency operating in the shadows?
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  And so kudos to President Trump, also Director Radcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard
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  for pushing for this transparency.
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  It is going to be generational changing that they've done this, and we hope
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  to bring forward legislation too, to ensure that this never happens
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  again for future generations to come.
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  You're saying a, B, C has been keeping this tape of Oswald under wraps.
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  Correct.
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  In fact director Stone actually told us that he was, showed this tape
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  that it was a secondary copy, and that he said that this could blow
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  open the entire GFK investigation.
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  What I will also tell you though, Jesse, is he said that NBC's been
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  very much so guarding this tape.
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  And so I believe that tape belongs to the American people.
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  We are going to be sending a letter asking for that tape, and I would
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  encourage everyone to ask NBC to release that tape to the public.
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  It's important not just for our investigations, but so the American
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  people know the truth as to what happened with John F. Kennedy.
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  All right I think they will release it.
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  'Cause I believe the president will probably put it on
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  true social pretty soon.
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  All right, Congresswoman Anna Paul Luna.
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  Hopefully
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  Fox promotes it.
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  Yeah,
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  there you go.
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you so much.
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  Have a great weekend.
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  All right.
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  What are your thoughts guys?
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  I've never I'll put it this way.
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  I was with Lee Harvey Oswald that week, and I've always said that Lee
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  Harvey Oswell never fired a shot.
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  Lee Harvey Oswell was innocent of that, but everybody keeps saying,
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  Lee Harvey Oswell elected alone.
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  And Bob, I needed the shot and this and that.
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  So
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  it's like I got on the back of the book, 100 years today, they're still
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  gonna say, Lee Harvey Al liked it alone, and there was no conspiracy,
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  not if we can help it.
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  And I got that in writing on the back of my book.
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  That's, yeah, that's that because, there's a lot of control of the history
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  and so forth, and that's unfortunate.
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  Yeah.
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  Jim Scott, what do you th what do you say?
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  Hey I just, there's a guy, I understand his name.
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  I think his name was Billy Lovelady.
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  He worked in the school book Depository, I think.
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  But.
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  If it's the video that I'm thinking of he would and they're
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  referring to this particular case.
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  Some JFK researchers have debunked this video saying that the
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  guy's name is Billy Lovelady.
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  Some people are saying that they, that maybe photoshopped
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  the video or something like that.
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  But if it's not that video and it's clearly Lee Harvey Oswald in the
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  crowd along Elm Street watching the Kennedy assassination, obviously
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  he was not on the sixth story.
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  Most people believe that because he was seen by a police officer
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  in the second story lunch room.
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  The lunchtime was between 12 and I guess maybe 1230 or whatever time they had.
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  But there, there was a woman eating her lunch in a car that
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  watched Jimmy take the shot.
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  Yeah,
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  In the parking lot.
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  So there were people that's, that was their lunch break.
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  Some of them chose to go out and watch the president drive by.
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  But you have to keep in mind, he was more than a half an hour late.
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  He was supposed to have been through there like at 1130 or something like that.
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  And he was gonna be at the trademark at noon for that luncheon where
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  he was gonna make the speech about the Roswell and the UFO stuff.
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  And so maybe, I don't, I'm not sure which video 'cause I haven't seen
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  it, but I guess if they release it and show it, and it's obviously
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  Oswald, it's gonna totally change the thing, but you would think that's
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  important.
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  This is
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  that since 1994 that you've got the grassy Knoll shooter explaining
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  in detail how Kennedy was killed.
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  Why do they need a video showing the Lee Harvey?
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  They almost all these stories the government tells, they keep going back
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  and the beginning of the story starts.
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  Best
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  part.
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  That we're gonna research whether Lee Harvey Oswald had a Coke beer.
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  Understood.
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  Clark,
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  What's that, Pamela?
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  So the woman's name was having lunch.
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  Her name was Constant Perche Taylor,
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  the woman that in the car eating sandwich
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  watching.
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  Yeah, she's eating the sandwich.
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  We found out through Michael Brown
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  and
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  seven hour ago She died
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  a couple years ago.
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  Yeah, just a couple years ago she died.
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  Yeah,
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  she died August 24th, 2016.
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  Yeah.
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  So here's this woman that w was an eyewitness years ago
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  and saw Jim take the shot.
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  What else do you need?
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  They want to control the narrative.
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  I
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  was afraid to tell because
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  she
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  thought she would die like everybody else.
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  Yeah, sure.
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  Now, when Dick Clark was alive, he the.
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  Did an interview with me and he ran his, he had made a special as a miniseries
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  like I forget how many weeks it took, six weeks or 10 weeks it took.
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  But each miniseries was like a two hour deal and he was going there it on TV
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  and the government told him if he aired it, that they would pull his license.
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  Dick Clark, the American band stand and the New Year's guy that Dick Clark.
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  And also a year and a half, two years ago, the FBI was being
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  sued because they had a film.
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  'cause they filmed everything that day.
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  And true or false, I don't know for sure, but I was informed that I was on that
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  film that they had me on the grassy Knoll.
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  And I don't know what happened to the lawsuit.
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  I don't know if it's still going or not.
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  Chana Willis' father was a master chief in the Navy, and he was like
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  in charge of some kind of top secret photographic unit that was his MLS.
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  And he had taken he had in his career, had been involved.
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  He went with Admiral Byrd to the pole for Operation High Jump.
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  He was with the Generals on Guam when they interviewed slash interrogated slash
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  tortured the Japanese generals wanting to know where the Japanese gold was at the
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  end of World War II and then hung them.
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  Cha has got photographs of that.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  And he was on the, he was in Deley Plaza and just like Z Bruter, he
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  filmed the JFK assassination and that's probably the best film of all of them.
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  And it's in the possession.
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  If they haven't, I don't think they've destroyed it, but it's in the possession.
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  It's in the CIA archives.
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  I understand.
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  And only a handful of people get to see it.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  Amazing.
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  Deeper, deeper insights.
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  Let's jump into those photos that we're talking about and then
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  we'll go into some other details.
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  Let me see.
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  Get 'em and pull off here.
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  Pam
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  and
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  Jim, can y'all, you can't see the photos, can you?
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  No.
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  Uhuh.
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  Okay.
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  I'll tell you, I'll tell you what it is when they come up.
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  Okay.
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  And then we can generate conversation.
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  Very
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  good.
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  If it shows right in here, you can see it.
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  That's a Barry boys picture.
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  The first picture is the Operation 40 Group in Mexico City.
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  When you're with Felix Rodriguez.
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  You wanna talk about how you got into Operation 40?
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  George Bush Sr. He recruited Luis Beda Caris and me.
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  We were the first two to go into that group, and it was supposed
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  to be an intelligence group where we gathered intelligence.
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  That was the cover story, but it is a worldwide assassination group, which
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  meant we could go anywhere and get anybody we wanted that they wanted done.
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  Government sanction.
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  Yeah.
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  So there you go.
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  You have Bush Senior who would eventually be the head of the CIA
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  probably for, all the great work he did for this parallel government.
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  And you got recruited by him and other people got recruited by him, so
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  His culpability in this.
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  This murder and all the other murders, if you wanna go there as well.
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  He's top of the list.
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  A lot of people don't like George Bush, Sr. But I like the man because
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  like when this was down there in Florida together, he told all of us,
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  no matter where you commit or at, he said, it could be moved by an airplane.
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  You'll have it in 48 hours, I promise.
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  And they never let us down.
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  So why was it, so let's jump back.
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  So here's the recruited group.
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  Lee Harvey Oswald was part of this.
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  No.
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  Bird means separate.
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  Yeah.
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  Lee was not a member of Operation 40, was he?
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  No.
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  Yeah, that's
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  right.
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  That's good to know.
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  Now he worked in Russia.
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  He was trying to get I would assume CA got him there somehow to, gather black
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  plan and he went into Norway, I believe.
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  There we go.
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  All right.
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  So it did, I guess he didn't get enough information for, from him.
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  So they brought him back.
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  The Russian wouldn't leave the story that he told him because he was sent
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  there to give him disinformation.
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  Yeah.
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  Wow.
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  Because Lee worked, did on a spy base there in Japan,
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  Agie.
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  Incredible.
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  Wow.
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  So anyway, they, the Soviets, they didn't want to Lee.
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  And basically speaking of what I understand is they bought his, they
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  gave him a ticket and sent him and Marie back to the United States.
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  Maria, she was the colonel's niece, I believe.
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  Wow.
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  And I think she's still alive, didn't she?
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  Yeah, she was last I heard, which is a couple years ago.
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  I know people that have spoken with her.
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  They say she's a really nice
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  person.
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  What do you wanna tell?
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  Hey
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  Jim Scott, you got anything on this?
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  This photo?
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  Yeah.
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  Can you hear me?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Can you hear me?
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  Okay?
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  This photo also links the beginning with the end.
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  The the three guys on the left side are Felix Rodriguez.
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  James was with him Bolivia, when they captured Cha Avaro,
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  that picture's coming up.
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  The next guy is Porter Goss and he was the, ended up being the
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  director of Century Intelligence for George W. Bush, I'm sure, at the
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  direction of his father to control.
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  And the third guy, interestingly enough, is
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  Seal.
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  One second
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  excuse.
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  When they found out that Porter Go was part of Operation 40, they
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  made him resign from the CIA.
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  Oh, wow.
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  His,
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  that's interesting.
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  Yeah,
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  because he was linked to the operat reporting.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Impressive.
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  The third guy is Barry Seal.
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  The third guy is Barry Seal.
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  And later, near the end of our story tonight James spent some
• 19:20
  time flying with Barry Seale.
• 19:22
  You wanna tell him what you did with Barry and that links Hillary Clinton and
• 19:25
  the event that made James go to prison.
• 19:31
  Okay.
• 19:31
  I'll ask you that.
• 19:32
  Whatever you want me to,
• 19:34
  You want to tell 'em about the link between Barry Seale and
• 19:38
  flying into Mena and Hillary and
• 19:40
  Barry bury me both as flying weapons, hospital supplies, ammunition, anything
• 19:46
  that the rebels could use, clothes, money.
• 19:49
  We flew down there to 'em in Central America and South America and on
• 19:53
  the way back we flew drugs back in
• 19:55
  to Meina, Arkansas
• 19:57
  to mena.
• 19:57
  Yeah.
• 19:58
  Bill Clinton and Miller
• 20:00
  Sometimes Barry and me flew together and sometimes he flew
• 20:03
  his plane and I flew my own plane.
• 20:09
  Wow.
• 20:10
  And when I was flying and one time there, sometimes that'd unload there
• 20:15
  and I'd leave the plane on the runway, they'd take it and they'd unload it and
• 20:19
  I'd go have lunch and the guys would pick me up and take me out, come back.
• 20:24
  And then the one day I walked out to the, walked up to the limo, I opened the door.
• 20:28
  And who was in the car?
• 20:30
  Hillary Clinton.
• 20:32
  And now she grew up in Park Ridge over there by me.
• 20:35
  She was a cheerleader.
• 20:36
  I knew her.
• 20:37
  We dated a couple times.
• 20:39
  She was a little younger than me and but she liked the car I had and this and that.
• 20:44
  And so we went out a few times, but I never had any sexual affairs
• 20:48
  or nothing like that with her.
• 20:50
  I never even kissed her.
• 20:52
  You
• 20:52
  would have, her family was the closest associates of the people next
• 20:56
  door, which belonged to the outfit.
• 20:59
  And you do not make marks or stir up muddy water within the organization of Chicago.
• 21:06
  You treat the people with respect.
• 21:10
  So anyway, so Travis, Hillary, you want me to kill a bill or
• 21:13
  do you want Bill to kill me?
• 21:15
  And she just left and she's looking at the state trooper in the front seat
• 21:19
  and she said, don't worry, I own him.
• 21:21
  But the reason that she put a contract on me was I was one of the last
• 21:25
  people that could put her on the runway with a planned load of drugs.
• 21:29
  And me and Arkansas in
• 21:31
  Mee, Arkansas
• 21:31
  was governor and she was birth Lady of Gov of Arkansas.
• 21:36
  Huh?
• 21:36
  Yeah.
• 21:38
  So she hired the police officers to kill James.
• 21:41
  That ambushed him and he was in that gunfight with him that
• 21:44
  ended up landing him in jail.
• 21:45
  That's why I wanted to link that first picture with the
• 21:48
  kind of the end of the story.
• 21:49
  There's
• 21:50
  Clinton body count, there's a whole bunch
• 21:52
  of, I need to turn my motion detectives off.
• 21:54
  I'll be right back.
• 21:55
  Locked it, my
• 21:57
  landscaper's here.
• 22:00
  That's incredible.
• 22:02
  So that's a claim, another claim to fame that you have having dated
• 22:06
  Hillary Clinton is that, that's crazy.
• 22:10
  When I got out prison, I met friend of mine who's associated the outfit,
• 22:16
  Nick Keller and a few other people.
• 22:19
  We was up in breakfast together.
• 22:22
  And so one guy that was with us, he went to the White House at least once a week.
• 22:28
  So he told to tell Hillary that I, the Jimmy Sutton, which was the name I used
• 22:33
  back then, that Jimmy Sutton said hello.
• 22:37
  So the guy went to the white House and he saw Hillary and there's a bunch of
• 22:41
  other people around, and he said, oh, by the way, said, oh, friend of yours, Jimmy
• 22:44
  Sutton, since his regards and says hello.
• 22:48
  She didn't ask him.
• 22:49
  She just turned his stuffed out of the room.
• 22:56
  Wow.
• 22:56
  And I blamed the CIA for quite a while there.
• 22:59
  I thought that they sent somebody and I was sitting down, I wrote a
• 23:01
  letter to the CIA and I told 'em, I said, I'm buried as appointed.
• 23:06
  And I said, I thought I was worth a hell a lot more than $50,000.
• 23:10
  I says, you send somebody for that price or that little bit after me.
• 23:14
  I said, I'll eat 'em for breakfast and send it back to you in a shoebox.
• 23:18
  And they gave me a reply and they said they never.
• 23:23
  Tried to kill to kill me.
• 23:25
  They said that was somebody else.
• 23:28
  And so then it was leaked to me, or the, one of the guys
• 23:31
  come to see me from the agency.
• 23:34
  And he said it wasn't the agency.
• 23:36
  He said it was Hillary.
• 23:37
  Wow.
• 23:40
  She had a lot of power.
• 23:42
  Because when I was in the CIA we were using basically these passports.
• 23:46
  They were diplomatic.
• 23:47
  Passport s
• 23:48
  are tied to the Bush family.
• 23:50
  Oh yeah.
• 23:51
  And so she, so we would travel back and forth, overseas with these
• 23:56
  diplomatic passports that gave us immunity and all kind of stuff to
• 23:59
  do the stuff that we were doing.
• 24:00
  And when she became the head of the, state Department, she canceled our
• 24:06
  ability to get those diplomatic passports.
• 24:09
  So she was screwing with it.
• 24:10
  She had a lot of power.
• 24:11
  Obviously she was screwing with the CIA back then.
• 24:14
  Oh, yeah.
• 24:15
  She pissed me off over Benghazi.
• 24:19
  Yeah she's definitely,
• 24:19
  when she refused, when she didn't send them people help,
• 24:22
  that really aggravated me.
• 24:23
  I was in prison at the time, but it really, it pissed me off though.
• 24:29
  Yeah.
• 24:29
  So Bush, Sr. Was supporting and protecting you guys.
• 24:33
  What happened with Hillary coming after you like that did, was he
• 24:37
  out of the picture or something?
• 24:39
  No, he was still in the picture, but he got me up of the one shooting.
• 24:45
  Right before that, I got stopped by the state police or the local,
• 24:50
  it was, I think it was the locals.
• 24:52
  Anyway, I forget the little town there in, it was zone Route 12 and I had a
• 24:58
  shoot out there and George got me Bush, he got me off on that one, no problem.
• 25:06
  But the second time when the Ostertag, when he took a round one inch from
• 25:10
  the heart and damn near died, they couldn't do nothing for me on that one.
• 25:16
  Ostertag was a 12 year veteran.
• 25:18
  Gary Bitner was a 10 year veteran.
• 25:21
  They were on the fourth in Round Lake Beach, Illinois.
• 25:24
  And I've got copies of the police report and everything else on it.
• 25:27
  And whole case, my case is in the, one of the books that Pam wrote.
• 25:32
  And lo I've got way they handled me in court.
• 25:35
  It was, tragedy itself, of course, that really had nothing coming.
• 25:39
  But I didn't like the idea of being more in a jumpsuit when it
• 25:42
  should had on civilian clothes.
• 25:44
  And I didn't like the way they put me at the table where the cer sits.
• 25:49
  And they had the ceno grafter in the witness shear, and
• 25:53
  they had the thing blocked us.
• 25:54
  The people couldn't see a chain and shackle and bolted to the floor.
• 25:59
  And then they had all the extra duty, the extra security in the courtroom on me.
• 26:04
  They had six of the prison guards from Stateville.
• 26:07
  They had six of regular coppers in there.
• 26:11
  And all of 'em are heavily armed with machine guns and shotguns.
• 26:15
  God.
• 26:16
  So
• 26:17
  they were messing around.
• 26:18
  It took the jury three minutes to find me goly, let me put it that way.
• 26:21
  It's not ping the jury
• 26:26
  paid off ju
• 26:27
  at all.
• 26:30
  Now the government don't secretary tell me, but I got a lot of police reports that
• 26:36
  confirm who I was and everything else.
• 26:38
  Tell them you had 200 cops on the payroll.
• 26:40
  Yeah, I had over 200 cops on the payroll.
• 26:43
  I ran chop shops loan, she and murder contracts.
• 26:46
  Yeah,
• 26:47
  my jackets.
• 26:48
  I did a lot of that.
• 26:49
  Chicago, Illinois.
• 26:50
  Wow.
• 26:52
  Give your story a little validity.
• 26:54
  When I was in the CIA we were training, not me particularly, but some of the
• 26:59
  guys that I'd worked with were trained.
• 27:01
  They were bringing, weapons and, ammo and all that stuff.
• 27:04
  Like you guys were doing, you and Barry Seals were doing down in south America.
• 27:07
  We were doing that in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, all kind of places.
• 27:12
  So we're seeing local militia groups.
• 27:15
  And then, so that was the up and up that was the legitimate stuff.
• 27:19
  And then we saw these guys that were running the drugs.
• 27:23
  We couldn't get involved in that.
• 27:24
  We saw that.
• 27:25
  We're like, what the heck is going on with that?
• 27:28
  And they're working right next to us in their own compartmentalized
• 27:31
  thing, running drugs.
• 27:34
  It was insane.
• 27:35
  So there's like this parallel thing, like you talk about James, where
• 27:39
  you know, no, we didn't do that.
• 27:41
  We weren't involved in that.
• 27:42
  That's probably the good CIA and then there's the parallel CIA, which
• 27:46
  as we all know is maybe not so good and probably not at all, but very
• 27:50
  military.
• 27:51
  Yeah.
• 27:52
  So this is,
• 27:53
  we were known as mercenaries and they changed the name, I believe in 77.
• 27:57
  They went to contractors.
• 27:59
  Exactly.
• 28:00
  They renamed it.
• 28:01
  Yep.
• 28:01
  Same people.
• 28:02
  Just a different name.
• 28:03
  Yep.
• 28:05
  So Ground Branch was doing a lot of stuff and they, and I was a contractor
• 28:09
  ground branch was a contractor.
• 28:11
  Were contractors for ca.
• 28:13
  So that gives them deniability.
• 28:15
  All kinds of crazy stuff.
• 28:16
  But
• 28:16
  oh yeah,
• 28:17
  just like you they can hang us out to dry in a heartbeat if we gotta, if something
• 28:22
  happened, they would wash their hands.
• 28:25
  Plausible.
• 28:25
  Deniability.
• 28:26
  Exactly.
• 28:27
  So it's, you think that you're working for the good side and
• 28:31
  they're gonna take care of you.
• 28:32
  But you're a good example.
• 28:33
  That's not the truth.
• 28:34
  They
• 28:34
  still, you outta hurry, you're spendable.
• 28:36
  Absolutely spendable.
• 28:37
  Very steals.
• 28:39
  Expendable.
• 28:41
  And they'll make something up and destroy your credibility.
• 28:44
  Oh yeah.
• 28:44
  He was stealing money from us and all kind of crazy stuff.
• 28:47
  He was running his own program.
• 28:48
  Probably wasn't doing any of that
• 28:50
  I was disappointed in the movie.
• 28:52
  They made it about Barry Seals, believe me.
• 28:54
  Very disappointed.
• 28:56
  But I lost the team and I ran, which I won't go into details on it at this time.
• 29:02
  Wow.
• 29:02
  But Pamela was with me.
• 29:04
  We went to this one new life church there when we lived in Chicago on Damon Avenue.
• 29:10
  And so they learned a little bit about my past and we had a lot
• 29:14
  of church shootings at that time.
• 29:16
  They had asked me if I would come in one night and meet with their people
• 29:20
  and give 'em a few details and help 'em out with their church security and
• 29:24
  what they should do and everything.
• 29:26
  And I said, yeah, I don't mind.
• 29:29
  So then I, Pamela, thank God she went with me to this meeting.
• 29:36
  They did not ask me one question about search church security.
• 29:41
  The whole thing was a girling me or what happened that I ran.
• 29:46
  And I would say five people know about what we were doing
• 29:50
  there and what went down.
• 29:51
  People, when I say five people, I mean by KE in Washington, tell me
• 29:54
  what the whole thing was about,
• 29:56
  what they interrogated me about.
• 30:00
  And they a second nuclear
• 30:03
  facility in Iran.
• 30:04
  Yeah, don't worry about the facility on that.
• 30:06
  I ain't getting into that.
• 30:07
  Anyway they, Pamela says, you want, you wanna know about how it got
• 30:12
  saved or you wanna know about this or that, or whatever, it was all
• 30:16
  about church security and stuff.
• 30:18
  They said, no, we ain't interested, we only wanna know about Iran.
• 30:21
  And I was thankful that Pam was with me because if I would've went home and
• 30:26
  told her what happened, there's no way in hell that she could have believed me.
• 30:31
  But she heard it and she's right there and with me what had happened.
• 30:35
  And they grilled me for over an hour.
• 30:36
  And I got up and I finally walked out and told them I had no power.
• 30:40
  I wouldn't talk to them.
• 30:42
  I wouldn't give 'em one answer on it.
• 30:46
  Like James is talking about.
• 30:47
  That's the way I am too.
• 30:48
  There's,
• 30:48
  yeah, there's
• 30:49
  operations that you're involved in which are legit and people
• 30:53
  are still possibly involved.
• 30:55
  Kudos to James.
• 30:56
  'cause he still keeps, keeps it on the down low about That doesn't reveal.
• 30:59
  I'm the same way.
• 31:00
  But I will talk about the bullshit, right?
• 31:03
  Yeah.
• 31:03
  And that's what you've been doing.
• 31:04
  So good for you.
• 31:05
  Yeah.
• 31:06
  Thank you.
• 31:07
  Yeah, thank you.
• 31:08
  But,
• 31:08
  Zach Shell and the FB agent admitted that when they interviewed a lot of people on
• 31:14
  the bottom, I dunno, was page 50 51 or 52 at the bottom of the side notes they
• 31:18
  got at the bottom of the page was where they had kid kidnapped me, tortured me
• 31:24
  for a couple of days and they admitted they failed a break me to speak of
• 31:28
  any crime that I had been involved in.
• 31:32
  And I tell you what, right
• 31:35
  little, when I wrote a note had call my wife up.
• 31:39
  And tell them to go get Gorilla and to bring get me outta the hospital.
• 31:44
  Oh,
• 31:44
  gorilla was mad Lieutenant.
• 31:46
  He come and got me.
• 31:48
  He picked me up outta the wheelchair.
• 31:50
  They told him we wanna keep him for observation in the hospital.
• 31:53
  He said no.
• 31:54
  He said, I take get Mad Boss on.
• 31:56
  And so he's sitting in my living room with a Remington Model eight
• 32:01
  70 with a polling stock on it.
• 32:04
  And this polling stock said law enforcement only.
• 32:08
  He sit there for a week and I kept gun cars at the end of the block
• 32:11
  and in the driveway, the Broadview police came by, see how I was.
• 32:16
  They said, if you need more help, more protection, they said, we'll send a
• 32:20
  couple squad cars over to stay with you.
• 32:24
  And it took me a week before I could even talk when lic hearing
• 32:28
  me home and I was black and blue from one end to the other end.
• 32:35
  Wow.
• 32:36
  Incredible.
• 32:36
  And you haven't had any fun until you had your belly button tickled with
• 32:39
  an electric fraud from the inside,
• 32:41
  the FBI.
• 32:42
  And that was the f fbi.
• 32:43
  I and Zach FBI admitted that he been there, but he took no part in the torture.
• 32:50
  And then you said does that make a right?
• 32:53
  So Zach, she and I became very good friends.
• 32:56
  We talked regular on the phone.
• 32:58
  We've had, we'd go out for dinner, we get together.
• 33:02
  Neither I've been Texas or when he was up this way north.
• 33:07
  We like I say, we became very good friends.
• 33:10
  But Zach, I respected him because he never lied in court.
• 33:14
  He didn't plant no evidence, some or anything.
• 33:20
  There's a picture of Zach later that I sent you, Michael.
• 33:23
  And also the primary thing that the reason that they my understanding
• 33:27
  that they kidnapped Jim and to questioned him was they wanted Charles
• 33:31
  Nicolette's ledger that had the list of something like 66 names in it,
• 33:36
  that as a team that they had hit for the mafia, one of which was John F.
• 33:41
  Kennedy.
• 33:44
  The hit list,
• 33:45
  the seventies was a very bloody time for the outfit Chicago.
• 33:52
  I go through more of the pictures.
• 33:54
  Yeah.
• 33:54
  Let me share this one real quick.
• 33:56
  This is from James's one of James's books.
• 34:00
  That you and Pamela did interview with history to show you guys that, the,
• 34:04
  there is corruption within, all branches.
• 34:07
  Of course, the military as well.
• 34:08
  Like we're talking about.
• 34:10
  This is a general general Edward La Lansdale, who at that time,
• 34:15
  deputy Director of Special Operations for the Pentagon.
• 34:19
  So he's involved he was involved in all this stuff, working both sides.
• 34:23
  He was like on the, everybody thought he was on the up and up,
• 34:25
  but he's working this parallel military and parallel government.
• 34:31
  So this is some of the stuff that James is disclosing in his work.
• 34:36
  Very frustrating, right?
• 34:37
  So we all, most of us think that all this stuff is only up and everybody's
• 34:41
  good, but that's really not the case.
• 34:48
  So let's go back to, let's go back to the pictures.
• 34:53
  Jim, you still there?
• 34:54
  I'm here.
• 34:57
  Jim Scott.
• 34:58
  Okay.
• 35:00
  Like I said, too many Jims.
• 35:02
  That's it.
• 35:03
  So we're gonna, we're
• 35:04
  files or Scott.
• 35:09
  So now we're gonna talk about Charles Nicoletti.
• 35:12
  The picture that we're showing right now, James and Pamela is that window that you
• 35:17
  can see Nicoletti in that one window.
• 35:24
  I can speak a little bit on it.
• 35:26
  Yeah, go ahead, Jim.
• 35:27
  Perfect.
• 35:28
  Okay, so this is the famous James Ike Alt Genes photograph.
• 35:33
  And if you were to zoom in on the windshield of the limousine,
• 35:38
  the front one, you can see that.
• 35:42
  John F. Kennedy has already raised his hands to his throat.
• 35:47
  And then you can see if you go a little bit to the left, you can see that Conley's
• 35:53
  head is turned to the right already.
• 35:56
  You can see the side of his head is left ear it, that's the secret.
• 36:01
  There you go.
• 36:01
  Right there.
• 36:02
  And then you see the Secret Service agents.
• 36:05
  They've heard the shot and the ones on the right side of that Cadillac that
• 36:09
  was called the Queen Mary by the Secret Service, they've started to turn around.
• 36:14
  And then the building that's from behind is called the Dell Text Building.
• 36:19
  And if you look at the fire escape there's a spotter sitting on the second
• 36:24
  floor and the window that's open just below that spotter, no, not right there.
• 36:33
  The guy sitting on the fire escape, you see him?
• 36:37
  Right there.
• 36:38
  Alright.
• 36:39
  Yeah.
• 36:39
  Right below him, the window's open.
• 36:41
  And the bottom window's right there.
• 36:43
  That's where the shots came from, that Charles Nicoletti fired.
• 36:47
  Johnny Roseli was in that room with him.
• 36:49
  Jim, you want to tell him about that room?
• 36:52
  The room was rented a week in advance.
• 36:54
  Not rented, they contracted in it to have the room remodeled
• 36:58
  and repainted and everything.
• 36:59
  And that was the excuse to get the people out of there so the
• 37:02
  room would be available for us.
• 37:05
  And tarps were in there.
• 37:07
  The scaffolds were in there for painting and everything, so I
• 37:10
  was never in the room myself.
• 37:12
  But Chuck and Johnny got in there.
• 37:13
  They, Eugene breeding was there for one reason.
• 37:17
  That was the, he had the key to the room.
• 37:20
  It was kept locked and he opened it.
• 37:23
  Chuck and Johnny went in.
• 37:25
  Eugene was allegedly, he locked the door behind them and when
• 37:29
  the shots were over, he went and unlocked the door, let them out.
• 37:34
  And because they didn't want anybody walking in on 'em while, they was
• 37:38
  taking the shots or getting ready to do
• 37:41
  their thing.
• 37:41
  Now, Jimmy was there ever a shot fired from the the book depository?
• 37:47
  I don't believe there was.
• 37:49
  Yeah, I don't either.
• 37:51
  You, everyone is compartmentalized guys.
• 37:54
  You have your mission, you do your thing and then you move.
• 37:57
  So that's what all these guys did.
• 37:59
  They prepped for this.
• 38:00
  Now they actually had prepped to actually assassinate Kennedy in Chicago.
• 38:04
  Is that correct?
• 38:05
  Yeah.
• 38:06
  But it did, it, it everything didn't, pan out.
• 38:09
  So that's the way these missions are.
• 38:11
  You have multiple, plan A, plan B, plan C, plan D and you're
• 38:16
  sometimes you're constantly moving to do your mission, and things.
• 38:19
  The reason it didn't pan out in Chicago is Tony Karta put a lid on it and said,
• 38:23
  no, it will not happen in Chicago.
• 38:25
  He said, we won't even be able to work or make a dollar.
• 38:28
  He says, have, do it somewhere else.
• 38:33
  Because I had selected the spot, which is Joseph's restaurant in Hillside, Illinois,
• 38:39
  alongside the Eisenhower Expressway.
• 38:44
  So you, you were involved in that one too yeah, that's, oh
• 38:46
  yeah.
• 38:47
  Very interesting.
• 38:48
  Yep.
• 38:49
  But
• 38:49
  not the
• 38:50
  plot.
• 38:50
  That was in the fall of 1963.
• 38:55
  It was the one that was in the spring.
• 38:58
  So there's always disinformation involved in these.
• 39:02
  Now you are obviously involved in it.
• 39:05
  That's to me there's, it's cut and dry.
• 39:07
  There's no question whatsoever.
• 39:08
  And anyone that wants to refute this is, it's ridiculous.
• 39:11
  It's night and day.
• 39:13
  It's now there's all these other things that they try and leak in.
• 39:17
  Tell us about that
• 39:18
  red, I
• 39:19
  heard that the French were involved in all kinds of crazy stuff.
• 39:22
  Tell us about all that silliness that goes on
• 39:24
  propaganda.
• 39:26
  The one party was forget his name, EZ or something.
• 39:28
  Another, he is supposed to have been there, French ship man.
• 39:32
  But they broke that one down.
• 39:33
  They proved that he was in Paris that day.
• 39:35
  Lucy Sarin.
• 39:39
  But they had all kind of names.
• 39:41
  They would, they liked to muddy the water.
• 39:43
  Yeah.
• 39:44
  Red earings,
• 39:45
  Same thing with two nine 11.
• 39:47
  So they have all Oh,
• 39:48
  yep.
• 39:49
  All these different, things that they flush into the system to, yeah.
• 39:53
  Dis populate everything.
• 39:55
  Yeah.
• 39:55
  For nine 11, they had Bin Laden, one of the key players in it, that he was
• 40:00
  this and that, and then the terrorist.
• 40:02
  But Bin Laden worked with the CIA.
• 40:04
  Yeah.
• 40:05
  And
• 40:06
  Tim
• 40:06
  Oman, when they got through, they put a blackout, black, no planes
• 40:12
  were flying outta the country that night or anywhere else.
• 40:14
  But yet, the one plane that left has been Laden's family.
• 40:18
  They flew them outta the family out to keep 'em safe.
• 40:22
  There's no flights.
• 40:22
  How come that family went?
• 40:24
  Why would they let somebody go when their son is one of the most
• 40:27
  wanted terrorists in the world?
• 40:30
  Good point.
• 40:32
  Because they're all in on it.
• 40:33
  He
• 40:34
  had all the men on it.
• 40:35
  Bin Laden was not killed that night when they went over there and pulled that raid.
• 40:39
  And he wasn't buried at sea.
• 40:41
  Al Laden died at the Mayo Clinic up there in Minnesota.
• 40:47
  He had cancer real bad.
• 40:48
  They didn't get him out soon enough because they were
• 40:51
  using him in for information.
• 40:53
  And he shows you they don't care about you, but as long as you're
• 40:55
  making information for 'em and getting them what they want,
• 40:58
  They'll sacrifice your life in a heartbeat to get their, get information.
• 41:04
  Put.
• 41:05
  Now, I was there when the person or the entity that was posing as
• 41:10
  Bin Laden was shot by my old team.
• 41:13
  Yeah.
• 41:14
  Do you know anything about that?
• 41:15
  Any further insight?
• 41:16
  No.
• 41:17
  Uhuh.
• 41:18
  Just from, no, I was
• 41:19
  in prison when
• 41:19
  that
• 41:20
  happened.
• 41:20
  Stuff and go, yeah, this is probably the way this went down.
• 41:23
  That wasn't bin Laden.
• 41:24
  And whoever was posing it to him, he got the bullet.
• 41:27
  'Cause there was
• 41:29
  A case officer, CI, a case officer that interviewed the women and she was
• 41:34
  telling me, and some other people we're gonna, we're gonna find out so much.
• 41:38
  And she came back and she was ashen faced and she was tightlipped
• 41:42
  and she never said anything.
• 41:44
  So I was like, okay that's all bullshit that happened in that place then?
• 41:48
  When they interviewed one of the word, one of the had people from the agency
• 41:53
  come visit me at Stateville Prison.
• 41:55
  Bin Laden, when they entered the room, his AQ 47 was against the wall.
• 42:00
  He was standing there with his hands up and he no threat because
• 42:05
  he didn't want to get shot.
• 42:07
  And they shot his wife in the hip.
• 42:10
  They thought she might be wearing a bomb vest or whatever.
• 42:14
  This, what the hell?
• 42:15
  You shoot somebody and they help because they're wearing a bomb vest and
• 42:17
  you're worried she might set it off.
• 42:19
  You tap 'em three times right in the forehead.
• 42:23
  Yep.
• 42:23
  We was trained for all that.
• 42:25
  Exactly.
• 42:26
  You stop the nerve
• 42:27
  backs and you don't, you shoot somebody the thing still set up the bomb.
• 42:31
  Yeah.
• 42:33
  So
• 42:34
  Falses
• 42:35
  in that report.
• 42:35
  There's so many false in it.
• 42:37
  Yep.
• 42:37
  And I got that somewhere around here in one of the boxes downstairs.
• 42:42
  All this other stuff that explains the details on how and why was not Bin Laden
• 42:50
  incredible.
• 42:52
  It's just like this book here so far, the stuff that I've talked to my wife,
• 42:57
  I break her life because we was gonna write a book, darkest COVID operations.
• 43:02
  She's decided she don't want to hear no more.
• 43:04
  She don't wanna know nothing else about it.
• 43:07
  She never understood the type of life that I led.
• 43:10
  Yeah.
• 43:13
  And a lot of people found it hard to believe.
• 43:15
  And you can walk up and you can kill a guy that you don't even know.
• 43:19
  People wonder, how can you do that?
• 43:20
  You're
• 43:21
  trained,
• 43:21
  you gotta dislike the guy
• 43:22
  since Camp Hero Euro, right?
• 43:26
  Yeah.
• 43:27
  They start training you young.
• 43:30
  It's just like in nascar, when you're, when the kids are four years old
• 43:35
  and their fathers are in the racing business, they start training that kid.
• 43:38
  They put him in a go-kart.
• 43:39
  He is four years old, he can't run very good, but he can drive like hell.
• 43:44
  He goes that to the midget, to the all legend cars.
• 43:48
  Then he starts driving in the OR series.
• 43:50
  Then he moves on up to the truck series.
• 43:53
  Then he goes to the Xfinity series and then he goes to the Cup series.
• 43:58
  You had kids, 18 years old, driving cub cars that are running 200 miles an hour.
• 44:03
  Good point.
• 44:04
  Good analogy.
• 44:05
  Yeah.
• 44:05
  And so for your youth, you were groomed for this, weren't you?
• 44:09
  Oh, yes.
• 44:10
  Yeah.
• 44:11
  All the way.
• 44:12
  All the way.
• 44:13
  Yep.
• 44:14
  Jim, you wanna tell us about the game?
• 44:18
  I was gonna say it.
• 44:19
  This might be a good time if we've gotten a piece of paper and a, and
• 44:22
  an ink pen for Pam to talk for just a second about the website Now.
• 44:28
  Get the books that we talked about before and the the manuscript on the interview
• 44:34
  and the copy of primary Target JFK, Pam.
• 44:37
  You want to tell 'em the website and.
• 44:40
  All your audience said they can write this down.
• 44:42
  You can.
• 44:43
  Yeah.
• 44:43
  It's JFK murder, James files all one word.
• 44:47
  Dot weebley.
• 44:48
  W-E-E-B-L y.com.
• 44:52
  That's the main one.
• 44:53
  And then there's the different pages where you can get the book,
• 44:57
  primary target or interview with history or support and donate and go
• 45:02
  to the part where there's artwork.
• 45:05
  And that's the same page where you could get the book that Ja, or
• 45:09
  that Jim Scott was talking about.
• 45:12
  That was basically a trans transcript of the a 1994 interview with a
• 45:19
  bunch of research added to it.
• 45:22
  So it's all in one.
• 45:24
  One book about a little less than a hundred pages that's available, but
• 45:30
  it's all on the website JFK murder james files.weebley.com, and that's
• 45:35
  where you can get our book, primary target sign, copies of that, either
• 45:39
  soft copy or hard copy, or our older book interview with history.
• 45:45
  That's what is available at the website.
• 45:49
  Michael, you might wanna show I, in that email I sent you the
• 45:53
  picture that's labeled Jackie.
• 45:56
  Yeah,
• 45:56
  and I think it's Jackie
• 45:57
  crying.
• 45:57
  It's actually titled Jackie Crying.
• 46:00
  That is a piece of artwork that James files did when he was in
• 46:04
  prison with pencils, with colored pencils, and it's the, I think the
• 46:09
  sheen that is on her hair and the reflections, to me, it's remarkable.
• 46:14
  I had no idea until I saw that.
• 46:15
  It's amazing.
• 46:16
  I'm glad you guys have this available.
• 46:18
  I'm a, I'm gonna purchase this right after this show.
• 46:20
  Thank you.
• 46:21
  This is gonna
• 46:21
  be, but yeah, there's Jackie and then there's the JFK and the Texas flag.
• 46:28
  Those are artwork, original artwork from James files, but they're
• 46:31
  limited edition and they come with a certificate of authenticity that
• 46:36
  James files signs and thumbprints.
• 46:38
  So it's directly from him.
• 46:41
  It's part of history.
• 46:43
  I got a funny feeling those pieces of artwork are gonna be worth a mint someday.
• 46:47
  I think actually, I think they're way underpriced right now, but.
• 46:50
  We're not trying to be crazy about it, but we're just trying to Yeah.
• 46:53
  Get a little thing going for June
• 46:56
  five.
• 46:56
  Yeah.
• 46:56
  We're gonna help you out here, but yeah.
• 46:58
  Yeah, we, I, like I said we've been talking about this for I think,
• 47:01
  well over a year and you were guys we're working on getting it
• 47:04
  available, so I think, we'll, yeah,
• 47:06
  we got it available finally.
• 47:08
  The printer was, he was busy, but we finally got it all.
• 47:13
  Got it all out there.
• 47:14
  I would think that they're gonna sell out pretty quickly, but the, I how many
• 47:18
  are you guys doing total?
• 47:19
  A hundred.
• 47:22
  It's a limited to a hundred and there's a certificate that goes with it so
• 47:26
  that it won't be any more than that.
• 47:30
  Yeah.
• 47:30
  I'm looking forward to mounting that, so that's gonna be very beautiful.
• 47:33
  Thank
• 47:33
  you, Michael.
• 47:35
  Very excited about it too yeah.
• 47:36
  Thank you guys.
• 47:40
  Audience.
• 47:40
  Somebody else was like, oh, do a GoFundMe.
• 47:43
  I'm like, no, we wanna sell the artwork.
• 47:45
  It's part of history.
• 47:46
  And you have something.
• 47:47
  It's not just, oh, here, donate.
• 47:49
  And, thank you.
• 47:50
  Yes,
• 47:50
  thank you.
• 47:51
  But it's a piece of history and it's a piece of art.
• 47:53
  So yeah, we thought people would like that.
• 47:57
  That and the the books are fantastic.
• 47:59
  And thank you.
• 48:01
  Go to the website, guys.
• 48:01
  There's a lot of information here.
• 48:02
  You can do some really good research just by reading what
• 48:05
  Pamela has put into the the website.
• 48:07
  Very good.
• 48:08
  And as you guys see here, there's nice little collage of pictures
• 48:12
  that runs so you can Yeah.
• 48:14
  Just so they can
• 48:15
  You're to help these guys out, buy their books so they get signed.
• 48:19
  And James actually on primary target, he's got his fingerprint, in there.
• 48:26
  So different page.
• 48:27
  That's fantastic.
• 48:29
  Tell 'em about your fingerprint in the FBI.
• 48:33
  The FBI has got me fingerprinted over hundred times.
• 48:36
  Yeah.
• 48:37
  If they wanna make it authentic it's his real thumbprint.
• 48:42
  Hey Mike.
• 48:45
  My life is probably pre concluded by the FBI authenticated it.
• 48:50
  Most of it where the government denies knowing me.
• 48:53
  The FBI admits, yeah.
• 48:55
  I did this and I did that because of the things they know about
• 48:58
  the criminal activity.
• 49:00
  Yeah.
• 49:00
  In Chicago especially.
• 49:02
  Yeah.
• 49:02
  They probably
• 49:03
  said, like I said, he is a good friend of mine.
• 49:05
  We were having lunch in Charlie's restaurant on Roosevelt Road in
• 49:09
  Forest Park, and it was a mob hangout.
• 49:12
  It used to be, anyway,
• 49:14
  the old armory where they had a bug with the FBI and Sam Jna,
• 49:18
  the zach leans over and he whispers my ear and he says, Jesus.
• 49:22
  He says, I didn't know that you had 28 years with the CIA.
• 49:26
  And I said, yeah.
• 49:27
  And then he was telling me when we used to buy truck loads and meat
• 49:30
  from you, he says, I didn't even know we was parking them across
• 49:33
  the street in front of your house.
• 49:36
  Wow.
• 49:36
  Yeah.
• 49:37
  That's how good the anyway, the coverups are yeah.
• 49:40
  There's many people have no idea.
• 49:42
  You know what I've done and probably what you've done, you're gonna go to the
• 49:47
  grave with a lot of stuff and so will I.
• 49:49
  Oh, yes.
• 49:50
  I will take the darkest up with me till my grave.
• 49:53
  Yeah.
• 49:53
  Which
• 49:54
  I figure would be probably within six months.
• 49:57
  No, it'll be longer.
• 50:00
  He and Mad Mike are going for the hundred.
• 50:04
  We'll,
• 50:04
  so we're not done yet.
• 50:06
  That's
• 50:06
  right.
• 50:06
  Mad Mike were right.
• 50:08
  Yep.
• 50:10
  Yeah.
• 50:11
  Missionary from South Africa.
• 50:13
  If I hadn't have been in a federal prison at the time when he pulled the raid on
• 50:16
  the S islands, I'd have been with him.
• 50:20
  Oh, wow.
• 50:21
  You know about that raid, I imagine?
• 50:24
  Oh
• 50:24
  Yeah, man.
• 50:26
  And Mike had his office there in Durban, South Africa.
• 50:30
  They talking about South Africa.
• 50:32
  Do you wanna comment about the the Blue train massacre?
• 50:36
  No.
• 50:36
  That I'm gonna stay away from
• 50:38
  You signed A NDA with
• 50:39
  that?
• 50:39
  Yeah, that was highly classified.
• 50:45
  Just give 'em the gist of what it was.
• 50:48
  Without going into the gory details,
• 50:51
  how do you do without going into gory details, you wreck the train
• 50:54
  and you shoot the survivors,
• 50:57
  huh?
• 50:59
  Yeah.
• 51:02
  The train was derailed with explosives is my understanding.
• 51:08
  Hey.
• 51:09
  Okay, Jim, we'll change the subject here for a second.
• 51:11
  What you're looking at here is a gun outta my collection.
• 51:15
  And Jim, for years talked about
• 51:17
  XP 100.
• 51:18
  Yep.
• 51:18
  The prototype of the XP 100.
• 51:21
  This actually is not an XP 100.
• 51:24
  This has a Remington 7 22 rifle action.
• 51:28
  And it's got, you'll notice Jim talked about for years that, that his gun
• 51:33
  had a wooden stock with finger grips.
• 51:35
  When Remington went bankrupt, this gun was hidden in their archives.
• 51:41
  This is the first XP 100 prototype.
• 51:45
  It's got a Remington 7 22 action.
• 51:47
  And it exactly James f said, it's got a wooden stock with finger grips and it's
• 51:52
  chambered in 2 22 Remington, not 2 21.
• 51:57
  Remington Fireball.
• 52:00
  Notice right at the end of the action.
• 52:03
  It's got an extremely thin barrel that goes now all the XP one
• 52:08
  hundreds that came after this, they took the Model six 60 action and
• 52:12
  start and just marked it XP 100.
• 52:15
  They put a dog leg bolt handle on it, that, that's like a shop
• 52:19
  made, raised aluminum vent.
• 52:23
  It's not a vented rib, but a rib that's got the sights on
• 52:25
  it and it's just aluminum.
• 52:27
  It's not black or anything like that.
• 52:29
  That is the prototype for the XP 100 and it's in, I own it, it's in my collection.
• 52:34
  And I think I sent you the picture of the me firing it and you can see the fireball
• 52:40
  that comes out of the end of the barrel and they decided to go to a smaller
• 52:44
  cartridge, the 2 22 Remington, fireball, and there's other pictures in there.
• 52:49
  Those, if you wanna scan across those.
• 52:51
  But that is the very first one made.
• 52:54
  And I also have XP 100 number one.
• 52:59
  Amazing.
• 52:59
  I think the, by the way, James files for anybody in your audience that doesn't
• 53:03
  know it, he used a CIA issued Remington XB 100 to shoot John F. Kennedy.
• 53:10
  And James, tell 'em who issued you that weapon.
• 53:14
  David Ab Phillips.
• 53:17
  Your CIA controller.
• 53:20
  Yeah.
• 53:20
  He was a deputy director, I think at the time for the, what they
• 53:24
  call the central hemisphere.
• 53:26
  This is another gun that's in my collection.
• 53:28
  This is the normal later model XP 100 that was available to the public.
• 53:33
  They sold for $99 and I had James autograph it for me and date it 1122 63.
• 53:41
  And he had a Leopold three power scope.
• 53:44
  I think that one is a two powered scope because they're the M seven three
• 53:48
  powered scopes that they had in 63.
• 53:52
  They're very hard to find.
• 53:54
  And that's a little later model two, power scope.
• 53:57
  But that's if you can imagine that gun and there's another picture if
• 54:00
  you go keep flipping through 'em, there's one that's very similar.
• 54:03
  That's it right there.
• 54:04
  That's similar to the one that James used.
• 54:08
  He carried it on in a black briefcase.
• 54:10
  It had a wooden stock except it had the finger grooves.
• 54:14
  George Calor modified the pistol, took the zeel, the Brown Zeel factory
• 54:19
  stock off and put the wooden stock on it, and then Scope mounted it
• 54:23
  with a Leopold three power scope.
• 54:26
  And then it was in a, fitted in the briefcase.
• 54:29
  And that's what he, after he shot Kennedy, he ducked behind the
• 54:32
  fence and put the fireball back in the briefcase and walked off.
• 54:36
  I know you can't see the picture, Jim, but it looks a lot like the one
• 54:39
  that you actually used to kill JFK.
• 54:42
  Yeah.
• 54:44
  Now the 22 round Yep.
• 54:46
  Is not a very impactful round, it doesn't do as much damage, but this round was a
• 54:52
  special round that was mercury filled.
• 54:55
  And once it, it hit its target, it basically blew up the target as you saw.
• 55:00
  So that's a difference.
• 55:02
  This, that was very early on where they started having these
• 55:05
  mercury filled rounds and so forth.
• 55:07
  I didn't start seeing some of those rounds until, in the eighties.
• 55:11
  So this is very interesting.
• 55:12
  So this is way ahead of the curve as far as specializing.
• 55:15
  But George Calor known as Wolf Man, he was the one that did the mercury on him.
• 55:22
  Wow.
• 55:24
  And there's a very interesting story there, Joe West.
• 55:27
  He dragged me down and he called it.
• 55:29
  Had Stateville had me contact him, and I was on a visit and I refused
• 55:34
  to answer the phone call to go to it.
• 55:37
  The next day, I called Joe s back and I said, you wanted to talk to me?
• 55:41
  And he said, yes.
• 55:42
  And this point, Kent, the champ case was still pretty well heading there.
• 55:47
  It wasn't much out there.
• 55:48
  And he said, I want to talk to you about JFK.
• 55:51
  And he mentioned a couple things and he said, wait a minute.
• 55:54
  If you want to talk to me, get your ass on an airplane, come to State
• 55:57
  War Prison, I will put you on my visiting list and you come see me here.
• 56:02
  I'll not talk to you about this over the telephone.
• 56:07
  So he had asked me about that and he wanted to meet
• 56:10
  Wolfman and talk to Wolfman.
• 56:12
  So I told him, I said I'll call him and talk to him.
• 56:15
  So I called Wolfman and he thought it over for a week or so.
• 56:20
  He said, guy's, okay.
• 56:21
  Said if you stay to the guy's, okay, said, I'll talk to him.
• 56:24
  So I said, okay, I'll call Joe s and give him your phone number.
• 56:27
  And you guys set up the appointment.
• 56:29
  The date I called Joe s the next day, gave him the information,
• 56:36
  told him to see Wolf Man, and they made an state to see each other.
• 56:43
  And the day before he was supposed to meet with Joe West, he been to the
• 56:48
  doctor and he had a complete bill of health in good shape, good health.
• 56:53
  And he walked out his front door and he had a heart attack and he died there.
• 56:59
  He never got to talk to Joe West.
• 57:04
  Do you think there was foul play?
• 57:06
  I know there was foul play.
• 57:09
  Think they used the the dark gun on him?
• 57:12
  Probably.
• 57:13
  Yeah.
• 57:14
  Or the,
• 57:14
  I have a video back them, a heart attack where they did the and I let, now that
• 57:18
  we're talking about that let me bring that up and we can show that little clip
• 57:23
  where they were having they were asking the CA about this heart attack gun.
• 57:28
  And they, they basically said yeah, we got a heart attack gun.
• 57:31
  And so I'm gonna play that clip for you guys right now.
• 57:35
  So that's good, James.
• 57:37
  'cause I think a lot of people that get outta line have been hit by the
• 57:41
  heart attack gun and they also have
• 57:43
  Oh, yes, definitely.
• 57:44
  A lot of people.
• 57:46
  Yeah.
• 57:46
  There's a whole
• 57:47
  book
• 57:47
  J
• 57:47
  Okay.
• 57:47
  The Dead Wees heart attack machine.
• 57:51
  'cause they've used a heart attack machine on me.
• 57:53
  And it didn't, fortunately it didn't work on me.
• 57:55
  It seized my heart up, but I was able to work through it.
• 57:58
  But helicopter was flying alongside me and and hit me several times.
• 58:04
  So these are real things that are out there.
• 58:07
  Oh yes.
• 58:08
  Let me share the screen and thanks for validating that.
• 58:12
  'cause I know people over the years are like, you're crazy, Mike.
• 58:14
  But yeah, this is the real deal guys.
• 58:17
  Also I had to find one time they wanted me to find to find out
• 58:20
  if there was such a thing as as a poison that was undetectable.
• 58:24
  Especially one that seemed to mimic a heart attack that would
• 58:28
  kill someone, but it would appear that they had a heart attack.
• 58:31
  I did find such a thing.
• 58:33
  Does
• 58:33
  this, and it would be gone with it.
• 58:35
  60 minutes, the body would show no poison at all.
• 58:40
  Yep.
• 58:40
  And that's what they're talking about that here.
• 58:42
  Very good.
• 58:43
  Wow.
• 58:43
  Yeah.
• 58:44
  You know this stuff a lot more than, even way more than I 'cause you were
• 58:48
  involved in the assassination program.
• 58:50
  Pretty cool
• 58:51
  chairman.
• 58:51
  And a special one was developed, which potentially would be able to
• 58:56
  enter the target without perception.
• 58:58
  The poison was frozen into some sort of dart and then it was shot
• 59:03
  at very high speed into the person.
• 59:06
  So at, when it reached the person, it would melt inside them.
• 59:10
  And the only thing would be like one little tiny red dot on their
• 59:13
  body, which was hard to detect.
• 59:16
  There wouldn't be a needle left or anything like that in the person.
• 59:19
  But also the toxin itself would not appear in the autopsy.
• 59:23
  Yes.
• 59:24
  So that there was no, no way of perceiving that the the target was hit
• 59:28
  permit any.
• 59:31
  So there you go, guys.
• 59:33
  Now at the CIA headquarters, they have a history museum.
• 59:38
  And you walk through there and they show you all the different things they've
• 59:41
  used over the years over the decades and decades of contraptions that they've
• 59:46
  made to, jail and assassinate people.
• 59:49
  They're experts.
• 59:52
  Yep.
• 59:54
  Right after Wolfman had been killed Joe West had just rushed to the hospital and
• 1:00:00
  they was working on his heart, and he had a visitor, somebody come in there
• 1:00:05
  to see him, and they injected the poison into the IV line, which finished him off.
• 1:00:11
  But right before that happened, his wife and daughter was
• 1:00:15
  there and he wrote them a note.
• 1:00:17
  He couldn't talk.
• 1:00:18
  He wrote a note, he says, quick.
• 1:00:20
  He says, get me outta here.
• 1:00:21
  They're trying to kill me.
• 1:00:23
  The nurse told 'em, and I've got this up.
• 1:00:26
  It was on a email thing that was sent to me.
• 1:00:30
  The nurse told him, she said, oh, everybody thinks we're trying to kill him.
• 1:00:34
  And 45 minutes later, Joe s was dead
• 1:00:38
  on the court case about exhuming JF K's body to prove that there were more
• 1:00:43
  than one shooter that died with it.
• 1:00:47
  Oh, I told Joe West when he come to see me at Stateville, and
• 1:00:51
  he told me he was trying to get Ken of Kennedy's body exhumed.
• 1:00:54
  I says, you never get it exhumed?
• 1:00:56
  I said, now what you've got there for evidence?
• 1:00:59
  I said, what you have to do is go to court and file again.
• 1:01:03
  And say that, you know that for instance or for sure that mercury
• 1:01:08
  round was used and there's trace of mercury inside the body of the
• 1:01:12
  skull have it dug up and they'll dig it up, but the body won't be there.
• 1:01:18
  I said, when I'm telling you can't get you killed.
• 1:01:21
  And he was dead within a couple months after that.
• 1:01:24
  Wow.
• 1:01:25
  But he had the case file in court and we got that in one of our books.
• 1:01:29
  He primary target.
• 1:01:30
  And,
• 1:01:30
  That, that's a good point James, because we share like you did, you shared with
• 1:01:36
  someone and that can get people killed.
• 1:01:38
  That's another reason why.
• 1:01:39
  Oh yeah.
• 1:01:40
  We don't share a lot of stuff.
• 1:01:41
  So a lot of people think that, oh, you're just, trying to protect
• 1:01:44
  yourself 'cause you're scared.
• 1:01:45
  They're come after you.
• 1:01:47
  No, we have higher
• 1:01:48
  back lose.
• 1:01:49
  They ain't gonna get much outta me.
• 1:01:50
  You know what I mean?
• 1:01:51
  I ain't got that much life left.
• 1:01:53
  I'm 84 right now.
• 1:01:56
  Another problem with that is they'll come after, even if you
• 1:01:59
  reveal on your deathbed, they'll still come after your loved ones.
• 1:02:01
  After, if you reveal.
• 1:02:03
  Yeah.
• 1:02:03
  Yeah.
• 1:02:04
  So it's probably never gonna be heard by from you.
• 1:02:06
  No.
• 1:02:06
  So that's why I've never told panelists any of my darkest
• 1:02:10
  corporate operations that I ran, and I ran some of the mees ones.
• 1:02:13
  They were really bad,
• 1:02:15
  man.
• 1:02:15
  I
• 1:02:15
  wish some of the things they did, I don't even know.
• 1:02:17
  My daughters didn't know I did
• 1:02:20
  because we're in a situation now.
• 1:02:21
  What are your, since you have some, obviously some DP insights on Iran what do
• 1:02:26
  you think about the current war right now?
• 1:02:29
  Oh, right now it was all for it When Trump went in there, but they stopped
• 1:02:34
  because he should have taken out their economy to right off the bat,
• 1:02:41
  close their seaport down, get rid of the Air Force, get rid of their all
• 1:02:46
  economy, do it all in one, one sweep,
• 1:02:49
  yeah,
• 1:02:50
  All the plans we've got, we get to nail all them places and shut it down.
• 1:02:56
  But he stopped it.
• 1:02:57
  He's got enough time to restock and this and that and bullshitting with him.
• 1:03:01
  And for me, I live by two rules.
• 1:03:04
  Number one, I don't negotiate.
• 1:03:07
  Number two, I got a problem.
• 1:03:09
  I kill it.
• 1:03:13
  I love about it.
• 1:03:14
  I should find it.
• 1:03:15
  We think alike.
• 1:03:16
  And so I would've done the same thing, but I think there's a bigger picture going on.
• 1:03:19
  He's trying to show the world what's going on, and and he's basically getting
• 1:03:24
  people in position so when he does hit him, it's gonna be yeah, like you're
• 1:03:28
  talking about, it's gonna, you're gonna hammer them like no one's ever
• 1:03:31
  been hammered ever before in history.
• 1:03:32
  I think I, I said all along there's gonna be boots on the ground.
• 1:03:35
  There's no way.
• 1:03:36
  'cause these guys are animals.
• 1:03:37
  They're savages.
• 1:03:38
  They're gonna have to kill 'em.
• 1:03:39
  You got 15,000 Marines already there.
• 1:03:42
  Yep.
• 1:03:42
  Waiting to be lunch in.
• 1:03:45
  Oh my God.
• 1:03:47
  15,000. Yeah.
• 1:03:49
  Yeah.
• 1:03:49
  That's just counting the Marines, that's not counting
• 1:03:51
  the 82nd airborne that's there.
• 1:03:53
  Exactly.
• 1:03:53
  It's not counting SEAL teams that are there.
• 1:03:55
  Exactly.
• 1:03:57
  And it's not counting probably have within all of these cities and so forth special
• 1:04:02
  groups that are ready to cooperate and help and make things happen a lot faster.
• 1:04:07
  Yeah.
• 1:04:09
  Yep.
• 1:04:09
  And as a tragedy, what happened?
• 1:04:10
  The SEAL Team six?
• 1:04:14
  Yeah.
• 1:04:14
  That really is the, it's like the evil side of the government, decided to
• 1:04:19
  Obama should have never made them public and put it out there on the
• 1:04:22
  TV screen, had em at the White House through that, because it's endangering
• 1:04:26
  their families and everything.
• 1:04:28
  Yep.
• 1:04:30
  Very tragic.
• 1:04:31
  And then the helicopter going down.
• 1:04:32
  I'm very, I'm still very suspect about that, but I know Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:36
  Talked to some people that gave them some deeper insight.
• 1:04:39
  There was a woman that was in a, one of the special aircraft that
• 1:04:43
  can see what's going on the ground.
• 1:04:45
  And she said that she saw them dying slowly.
• 1:04:48
  And I'm like, no, I don't think so.
• 1:04:50
  Not after what I heard from Jim Scott.
• 1:04:52
  Jim, I don't know if you can reveal what you heard about the helicopter.
• 1:04:57
  Are you talking about extortion one seven?
• 1:05:00
  Yes, sir.
• 1:05:02
  Okay.
• 1:05:02
  Yeah.
• 1:05:03
  Actually one of my pilots flew in that squadron.
• 1:05:07
  I'm the safety director of high voltage aviation now.
• 1:05:10
  And we have MD 500 helicopters and we do power line work.
• 1:05:14
  And I'm not going to expose the identity of this pilot,
• 1:05:18
  but he was in that squadron.
• 1:05:20
  The Extortion Squadron was a Colorado National Guard Squadron.
• 1:05:25
  They weren't the one 60th and they were flying in direct support of
• 1:05:29
  the seals and the other special ops guys that were flying in there.
• 1:05:34
  Two things he told me interesting was one about the crash of extortion.
• 1:05:38
  One seven.
• 1:05:38
  He seen the video, it was being videoed because they had the drone
• 1:05:43
  was up videotaping the entire thing.
• 1:05:46
  Yeah.
• 1:05:46
  There was a guy with an RPK machine gun about five stories up behind
• 1:05:50
  and it was zeroed on the lz.
• 1:05:52
  And actually when Extortion seven got shot down, that was the third helicopter that
• 1:05:57
  had flown in that LZ and had been damaged.
• 1:06:00
  But anyway the pilot in command, I'm not gonna mention his
• 1:06:03
  name, but he flew the CH 47.
• 1:06:05
  He was a instructor pilot for the high altitude mountain ops training
• 1:06:11
  out in Colorado, and they fly a very steep, confined area landing approach.
• 1:06:15
  It's a slow.
• 1:06:17
  Gradual controlled so that if you run out of power available, you could,
• 1:06:21
  turn away and go down the mountain and, not crash into the mountain because
• 1:06:24
  landing at really high altitudes in a helicopter, you can run out of power.
• 1:06:29
  So he's flying this slow approach and when he got near the edge of the, where the, it
• 1:06:34
  was an LZ on one side on the mountaintop, and then a cliff on the left at one of
• 1:06:39
  the Afghanis fired an RPG, and it came up and it struck the, one of the retreating
• 1:06:46
  blades, the flute chance in the movie.
• 1:06:48
  It shows it coming in the back ramp, like coming in the aircraft, with the
• 1:06:53
  ramp down in the it didn't do that.
• 1:06:55
  It actually hit one of the retreating blades about six feet
• 1:06:59
  from the tip and cut the blade off.
• 1:07:02
  And with that loss of lift or that blade, it caused a major
• 1:07:05
  imbalance of the aft rotor head.
• 1:07:08
  So they would've lost lift, and then the back end would've squatted
• 1:07:11
  down, and then it basically fell down the cliff side and tumbled and
• 1:07:16
  crashed into a rocky, intermittent stream at the bottom of the cliff.
• 1:07:21
  Almost as soon as the, it hit the, it was full of jet fuel almost, just
• 1:07:26
  what they'd burned to get there.
• 1:07:27
  It
• 1:07:27
  exploding
• 1:07:29
  and there was a huge fire and explosion.
• 1:07:31
  It burned for 12 hours and almost at the very second where the fire went out,
• 1:07:39
  it started raining and it rained really hard, and that little dip at the bottom of
• 1:07:45
  that cliff was in an intermittent stream.
• 1:07:49
  And my guy said that the helicopter was under 12 feet of water for about a week.
• 1:07:55
  Jesus.
• 1:07:55
  So there was no way they could have rescued those guys.
• 1:07:58
  And I think they did DNA tests on their corpses.
• 1:08:01
  They couldn't even recognize anybody.
• 1:08:03
  They were all burned beyond recognition.
• 1:08:05
  But that's what happened.
• 1:08:07
  RPG cut the blade off and then it fell and crashed and then burned,
• 1:08:11
  and then it was under flood waters.
• 1:08:13
  And like they were able to recover that stuff like a week later.
• 1:08:17
  And one thing I wanted to point out this book entitled The Inheritance written
• 1:08:22
  by Christopher and Michelle Fulton.
• 1:08:25
  This book is about the Cartier wristwatch that John F. Kennedy was
• 1:08:30
  wearing when he was assassinated when he was hit, either in the back
• 1:08:35
  of the throat, whichever one it was.
• 1:08:37
  And he raised his hand, he exposed his wristwatch.
• 1:08:41
  And when Jimmy's bullet that had the, that George Calor made hit
• 1:08:45
  him in the temple and splashed, they got mercury on the wristwatch.
• 1:08:50
  The wristwatch was given to Robert F. Kennedy.
• 1:08:54
  It was an 18 karat gold round Cartier wristwatch kind of a dress watch.
• 1:08:59
  It had a leather band and it got mercury on the crystal.
• 1:09:03
  Okay?
• 1:09:04
  There's striations in Mercury on it.
• 1:09:06
  Nobody knew what that was.
• 1:09:08
  And I think if I'm correct, 10 days after the operation.
• 1:09:12
  Jim, you can comment after this.
• 1:09:13
  I finished his comment.
• 1:09:15
  The only people that knew that Kennedy had been hit in the head with a
• 1:09:18
  mercury bullet was Jimmy James files, George Calor and David Atley Phillips.
• 1:09:26
  When Jim got debriefed at 63rd and Lawler, the CIA aircraft hangar
• 1:09:31
  at Midway Airport, it was a taped debriefing about how he killed Kennedy.
• 1:09:37
  He mentioned that he used a special bullet that Wolfman made for him for the XP 100
• 1:09:42
  when that happened later on years later.
• 1:09:46
  Everybody wanted to know whether they, the government wanted to seize
• 1:09:49
  it because they say it was evidence.
• 1:09:51
  You know what I mean?
• 1:09:51
  And really what they're doing is they're trying to cover up what happened.
• 1:09:54
  But Robert F. Kennedy gave that wristwatch to his illegitimate son, okay?
• 1:10:00
  And then that guy sold the wristwatch at Sotheby's later for a million dollars.
• 1:10:05
  But anyway, they tested that wristwatch and it had mercury on the face.
• 1:10:09
  And I think that's one of the pieces of evidence that absolutely proves, because
• 1:10:14
  I believe it was in the 1994 debriefing that Jimmy explained that he'd used a
• 1:10:20
  special mercury bullet to kill President Kennedy, but nobody else knew that.
• 1:10:25
  And how in the world could he have managed to, all those years later, put mercury
• 1:10:30
  on John f Kennedy's wrist watch when it had been in the family's custody.
• 1:10:35
  So that's a piece of evidence that most people don't know about.
• 1:10:38
  But this book, the Inheritance explains everything and.
• 1:10:43
  It proves that Jimmy was telling the truth, and there would've been
• 1:10:46
  Mercury, and that's why they, they buried him at sea because he's
• 1:10:50
  not in his grave at Arlington.
• 1:10:52
  No.
• 1:10:53
  Jim, have you still got the a copy of the police report or where the
• 1:10:58
  FBI was where the kid got arrested when the FB went there after the gun?
• 1:11:03
  I do.
• 1:11:03
  It
• 1:11:03
  was the round beach area.
• 1:11:05
  Yeah, I do.
• 1:11:06
  And it's what happened was it, they didn't note on the arrest
• 1:11:09
  report that they seized the pistol.
• 1:11:11
  That's the actual gun that Jim used to kill Kennedy.
• 1:11:14
  But they only
• 1:11:14
  used, they only registered the ammunition.
• 1:11:17
  That's right.
• 1:11:17
  They said that they'd seized a box of ammunition and they said
• 1:11:20
  it was 2 21 Remington Fireball, which we know that's what it was.
• 1:11:25
  It before a lot of people thought it was a 2 22 Remington when Jim explained
• 1:11:30
  somehow the story got screwed up a little bit in the beginning, but Jim
• 1:11:34
  knew that the prototype was made in two.
• 1:11:36
  22 Remington, the very first one.
• 1:11:38
  Oh, when I said 2 21, everybody thought I misspoke because most
• 1:11:42
  people had never even heard of a fireball, or they had never heard of
• 1:11:46
  a bowl action pistol, single shot.
• 1:11:49
  And they took it for granted that I gave you the wrong number,
• 1:11:52
  but it, 2 21, I stood by it.
• 1:11:55
  They found two 20 twos and they accused me of changing the number on it.
• 1:12:00
  No, the whole thing was it 2 21?
• 1:12:03
  And I've never changed that story from day one.
• 1:12:07
  The two 20.
• 1:12:08
  It was actually made first in 2 22 Remington, but the ones they
• 1:12:12
  fielded were sold to the public.
• 1:12:13
  And the ccia a got, they were all 2 21.
• 1:12:16
  Remington.
• 1:12:16
  Fireball.
• 1:12:17
  Yeah.
• 1:12:17
  And it's just, it's a slightly shorter case.
• 1:12:20
  The 2 21,
• 1:12:20
  we ordered 1000.
• 1:12:21
  It's the agency ordered 1,500 for the agency and 500 for the FBA.
• 1:12:31
  Who knows where those guns are today.
• 1:12:33
  But
• 1:12:33
  yeah,
• 1:12:33
  The ones that are really collectible are the ones that have a serial
• 1:12:36
  number that's lower than 1,504 digits.
• 1:12:39
  Serial number.
• 1:12:40
  I own number one.
• 1:12:45
  So let me like jump a little bit here.
• 1:12:47
  Now, Jimmy, I know you took some of the guys that were part of Marilyn
• 1:12:52
  Monroe operation you took 'em to the airport and they flew out
• 1:12:56
  right
• 1:12:56
  now, could they have actually injected poison into Marilyn Monroe to basically
• 1:13:02
  that?
• 1:13:02
  I don't know for sure.
• 1:13:04
  Okay.
• 1:13:04
  Because I didn't ask.
• 1:13:05
  I just delivered him to the airport and I picked them up.
• 1:13:09
  And what happened out there?
• 1:13:11
  I don't know.
• 1:13:11
  'cause I couldn't comment on it 'cause I wasn't there to see it.
• 1:13:19
  And what did the people tell motel stories about.
• 1:13:22
  It's hurting me to believe half of what they tell me.
• 1:13:25
  Yeah.
• 1:13:25
  But you know yourself, what they taught you, the agency you believe nothing that
• 1:13:29
  you hear and you only believe half of what
• 1:13:32
  absolutely.
• 1:13:33
  Yep.
• 1:13:33
  And just like the other part, character assassination
• 1:13:36
  precedes physical assassination.
• 1:13:42
  That's true.
• 1:13:43
  So on those same lines did they character assassinate JFK to you guys so that
• 1:13:49
  you would be more apt to shoot him,
• 1:13:54
  Before we come?
• 1:13:55
  They blamed him for the bay of Pigs failure and everything else.
• 1:13:59
  And even I blamed him for the be a pig failure.
• 1:14:02
  'cause he didn't send in the support that the Cuban needed.
• 1:14:05
  Hide
• 1:14:07
  that treason.
• 1:14:07
  And they changed the landing for the invasion because we had a nice place
• 1:14:12
  picked out and then they put it.
• 1:14:14
  The BPS there.
• 1:14:15
  They went to Chandler Bay, which is the swamp.
• 1:14:20
  James was the field from the beginning.
• 1:14:23
  Oh
• 1:14:23
  no.
• 1:14:23
  Yeah, there you go.
• 1:14:23
  I was gonna ask, see if you'd say that.
• 1:14:26
  Yeah, say that what they wanna do in the Marines,
• 1:14:32
  the war,
• 1:14:35
  they were talking about sending in the Marines.
• 1:14:38
  Do what now?
• 1:14:39
  Yeah.
• 1:14:39
  They had Marines on ships right off the shore.
• 1:14:41
  And they wanted to do that.
• 1:14:42
  And they had a couple of airplanes that were painted up, like Cuban airplanes.
• 1:14:47
  They were like B 20 fives or something.
• 1:14:49
  And they flew 'em, I can't remember where they came out of, maybe,
• 1:14:52
  I think it was Guatemala.
• 1:14:54
  Yeah, correct.
• 1:14:55
  Guatemala.
• 1:14:55
  Nick there.
• 1:14:57
  Yeah.
• 1:14:58
  And they flew in there and they didn't,
• 1:15:00
  they asked for some air support and he wouldn't give it to them.
• 1:15:04
  Yeah, it was designed to fail.
• 1:15:06
  And then they were gonna go to Kennedy and say.
• 1:15:08
  Hey, it is not working out right.
• 1:15:10
  We need the Marines and we need this other support.
• 1:15:13
  And he told him right from the beginning, he said, no, I'm not.
• 1:15:16
  If you can do it with mercenaries and the Cubans and be successful, do it.
• 1:15:21
  But I'm not gonna get, he is kinda like Trump, he wanted a, he was a peace
• 1:15:26
  president, he didn't want the Vietnam War.
• 1:15:28
  And as Jim pointed out before, they already had these big contracts with
• 1:15:32
  a brown and root to do the port, build the port and build airports and all
• 1:15:36
  these, millions of dollars in contrast.
• 1:15:38
  Wow.
• 1:15:39
  Yeah.
• 1:15:40
  Raytheon.
• 1:15:42
  Yeah.
• 1:15:42
  When we owe it to the cheer government, the chi government.
• 1:15:46
  We took l and out of power to put Pene in.
• 1:15:50
  We ended 80 years of decent government.
• 1:15:52
  Not good government, but decent government.
• 1:15:54
  But we were getting our ass kicked down there regular, and we went had
• 1:15:59
  3000 cutouts flown in from Argentina.
• 1:16:02
  Ugh.
• 1:16:03
  The 3000.
• 1:16:04
  They were all like Germans, but they were good soldiers.
• 1:16:06
  But we was having a rough time down there.
• 1:16:11
  Now, do you think president Trump right now is he's, look, it looks
• 1:16:15
  like we're gonna take over Cuba.
• 1:16:17
  Do you think, because President Trump has a, has basically said, many times
• 1:16:21
  he's JFK, cleaning up JFK maybe.
• 1:16:24
  Yeah.
• 1:16:25
  Yeah.
• 1:16:26
  Do you think that this is we've had, ever since then, we've had problems
• 1:16:29
  with Cuba, and you've talked about it on my show, how they do drug running, all
• 1:16:32
  kind of crazy stuff sadly into America.
• 1:16:35
  But do you think that
• 1:16:37
  Yeah,
• 1:16:38
  because we didn't take care of them then it's, that was a huge mistake.
• 1:16:41
  And now we're having to to do it again.
• 1:16:45
  Yeah.
• 1:16:45
  Yeah.
• 1:16:46
  I think it was a mistake the first time.
• 1:16:48
  Yeah.
• 1:16:48
  But we was we believed that the Cubans would rise up the population after the
• 1:16:54
  invasion we had there would take over and we'd have all kind of support.
• 1:16:59
  We didn't have any, but I didn't find out until, I believe
• 1:17:02
  it was 77, either 75 or 77.
• 1:17:07
  We were en route to Chile, Michael Vernon, Talley, and me and a
• 1:17:11
  couple of Cubans young kids.
• 1:17:14
  And we was going down there to Sesse Castro.
• 1:17:17
  When the kids got appendicitis, we had to put him in the hospital in Peru.
• 1:17:22
  And Michael called me up to the side.
• 1:17:24
  I said they said We gotta scrub this operation.
• 1:17:26
  It's, we're shit out scrub it.
• 1:17:29
  I said, why?
• 1:17:30
  I said, hell, how can out shoot either one of them?
• 1:17:32
  We already had the camera mounted inside the TV cameras.
• 1:17:35
  The gun was mounted inside the TV cameras and everything.
• 1:17:39
  And Michael got me off the side to him.
• 1:17:40
  He said, we're wasn't gonna kill cast Joe.
• 1:17:42
  I said, what the hell are we going for?
• 1:17:44
  He said, you was said, we're going down there.
• 1:17:47
  He said, we're going to when the kids shoot got up to shoot Castro, he said
• 1:17:51
  I was gonna intercede, shoot both them.
• 1:17:54
  He said I would also be, which Michael Berna worked for the DINA.
• 1:18:00
  And he was Lieutenant Colonel and he also worked for the agency, but he
• 1:18:04
  said he'd be hero of both parties.
• 1:18:07
  The secret police and cheer also the agency.
• 1:18:11
  And at that time when it was over with and after we had the assassination, they're
• 1:18:16
  an Embassy Row marito, his wife, she said, my husband for the agency for the CIA
• 1:18:24
  was the killing machine, she says, but now he is a talking machine with a fresh,
• 1:18:32
  crazy,
• 1:18:33
  I like Michael Burn, but his wife tried to get me to kill him while
• 1:18:36
  we were down there in Chile.
• 1:18:39
  So you remember ASU in Afghanistan, he was killed by a camera.
• 1:18:44
  Do you think?
• 1:18:45
  Yeah.
• 1:18:45
  You think the CIA was involved in that?
• 1:18:47
  Oh yeah, definitely.
• 1:18:48
  Wow.
• 1:18:50
  Holy smokes.
• 1:18:51
  See that?
• 1:18:52
  That's what's, that's the beauty of these conversations, James, because
• 1:18:55
  we can bounce stuff back and forth and you can answer some questions
• 1:18:58
  that are been hanging for decades.
• 1:19:00
  Wow.
• 1:19:02
  Huh.
• 1:19:02
  I think Charlie Kirk was killed by a camera gun.
• 1:19:05
  The guy was behind him to the right.
• 1:19:08
  And I shot, I
• 1:19:09
  know about, because that was locked up, so I couldn't,
• 1:19:11
  no.
• 1:19:12
  Charlie Kirk?
• 1:19:13
  No.
• 1:19:13
  I'm
• 1:19:14
  know Charlie Kirk is hunting, but like I say that I didn't follow it.
• 1:19:19
  I don't know that much about Charlie Kirk or anything else, but
• 1:19:22
  you were in prison.
• 1:19:23
  You were in
• 1:19:23
  bed?
• 1:19:23
  Yeah.
• 1:19:24
  Yeah, I was in bed anyway, but that I know nothing about it.
• 1:19:29
  Couldn't comment on
• 1:19:29
  last September.
• 1:19:32
  No, what I'm just I'm commenting on it.
• 1:19:34
  I wasn't
• 1:19:34
  trying to get you
• 1:19:35
  to comment on
• 1:19:35
  I'm, I think it's all bullshit.
• 1:19:37
  I think the whole thing is bullshit.
• 1:19:39
  That's my thoughts on it.
• 1:19:40
  Kinda Trump getting shot in here.
• 1:19:42
  I think it's all bullshit.
• 1:19:43
  It was all show and I think Charlie Kirk's assassination was all show
• 1:19:48
  but maybe I'm open, maybe not, but that's, black blood coming out of
• 1:19:53
  your throat, it's, that's not normal.
• 1:19:56
  Yeah.
• 1:20:02
  Alright, so let's any other things 'cause we might have to start wrapping it up.
• 1:20:06
  I got another show to do here in a little bit, but hey,
• 1:20:08
  have a National archives letter proving that
• 1:20:12
  you Okay, Jim.
• 1:20:12
  Jim, did you tell Mike about the archives letter?
• 1:20:15
  You, I think you get copies, don't you?
• 1:20:18
  No I didn't.
• 1:20:20
  The last batch of GFK files that was released within those files, my
• 1:20:26
  social security number, my social security number was in there.
• 1:20:31
  Wow.
• 1:20:31
  And it got released and we received a letter from them notifying me that my
• 1:20:37
  number, social security number had been made public and to let them know we
• 1:20:41
  could change it if need be or whatever.
• 1:20:43
  And then from the Veteran Affairs, I got a letter from them under the name of Sutton.
• 1:20:50
  I bought my social security number with.
• 1:20:53
  The social security number, was the same under both names.
• 1:20:57
  Interesting.
• 1:20:58
  Wow.
• 1:20:58
  And we've got
• 1:20:59
  the latest here.
• 1:20:59
  Hey, Jim, can you make comments about just in general terms, tell everybody
• 1:21:03
  what happened to Chappaquidick because that links the Kennedy's, the ccia who
• 1:21:07
  didn't want another Kennedy in the office and he was gonna run for president.
• 1:21:12
  Teddy,
• 1:21:14
  I was in Florida at the time, living down there in by Homestead and Frank
• 1:21:18
  Sergi, he come by the house and he says, Jim, he says, do me a favor.
• 1:21:23
  He says, yeah, what do you need?
• 1:21:25
  He says, you got my back.
• 1:21:26
  He said, I got something I gotta do.
• 1:21:29
  And I said, always got your back.
• 1:21:30
  I said, you've had mine.
• 1:21:31
  You saved my ass a few times.
• 1:21:33
  And he said, you wanna know what it is?
• 1:21:34
  He said, I don't care what it is.
• 1:21:36
  So we went up there and we met Howard Hunt there once we got there.
• 1:21:41
  And they killed the girl.
• 1:21:43
  She didn't have any water in her lungs, so she didn't drown on the
• 1:21:47
  reason she had air to breathe.
• 1:21:48
  They tried to make the story where she got in the front seat to the back
• 1:21:52
  seat where there's a pocket of air.
• 1:21:55
  And like I said, that didn't, that dog don't hunt because if she could get
• 1:22:01
  in the front seat to the back seat.
• 1:22:03
  The window in the car was open.
• 1:22:05
  Why didn't she go out the window and the water was, that wasn't that deep.
• 1:22:09
  'cause the car wasn't submerged all the way.
• 1:22:11
  Yeah.
• 1:22:11
  The roof of the car was still sticking up and Howard Hunt put a bag over
• 1:22:17
  her head and killed her while Frank Sturgis held her arms by her side.
• 1:22:21
  And he didn't grip her arms or anything, he just had his hands open.
• 1:22:24
  The pumps of them.
• 1:22:25
  I pressed them against her side and she couldn't break loose.
• 1:22:29
  Ted Kennedy brought her out there 'cause he thought that she was going to be talked
• 1:22:33
  to, that people wanted to talk to her.
• 1:22:35
  And Mary Joe that had no idea she was going to be killed.
• 1:22:39
  And Sturgis and hunt the two that killed her.
• 1:22:43
  I stood there and watched.
• 1:22:44
  I was guilty as the rest of them, but she had no idea what was
• 1:22:48
  coming on, what was going on.
• 1:22:51
  I, the only thing that was concerned me was I drove the car off the
• 1:22:56
  bridge and tried to flip the car.
• 1:22:58
  But the water was too shallow right there.
• 1:23:03
  Now you
• 1:23:03
  said before I drove the car at the breach, I had the windows down so I could get
• 1:23:09
  out because it was very hard to open the car door when you're in the water and
• 1:23:14
  the water's pressing against the car.
• 1:23:17
  Yeah.
• 1:23:17
  And she was already dead in the backseat.
• 1:23:19
  She was dead and in the backseat of before ever drove the car off the bridge.
• 1:23:24
  That's Mary Jo Egney and then Ted, he was not in the car
• 1:23:27
  when it went off the bridge.
• 1:23:28
  He watched it happen.
• 1:23:30
  Yeah.
• 1:23:30
  Which is ironic because the reason why waited
• 1:23:33
  is because you guys had to get the ferry off, so they may made
• 1:23:35
  him wait.
• 1:23:36
  Yeah.
• 1:23:36
  The ferry didn't start till, I dunno, six o'clock or six 30 that morning.
• 1:23:40
  And Howard Hunt took Teddy off and he told him exactly what to say and Ted Kennedy
• 1:23:46
  was scared to death of Howard Hunt.
• 1:23:50
  Now are you talking about E Howard Hunt?
• 1:23:52
  The
• 1:23:52
  E Howard Hunt?
• 1:23:53
  Yeah.
• 1:23:53
  Yeah.
• 1:23:54
  Holy smokes.
• 1:23:56
  He was the fall of that.
• 1:23:57
  Yep.
• 1:23:58
  He was yeah, he was
• 1:23:59
  in Watergate.
• 1:24:00
  Yeah.
• 1:24:00
  And CIA Watergate
• 1:24:02
  scandal.
• 1:24:02
  So was James.
• 1:24:04
  James was at Watergate.
• 1:24:06
  Wow.
• 1:24:06
  Yeah.
• 1:24:08
  Yeah.
• 1:24:08
  Wasn't found the Watergate.
• 1:24:10
  I was just sitting outside in the car and Barry Seals and
• 1:24:13
  we had that second team go in.
• 1:24:16
  The first team was to go in there.
• 1:24:17
  We already, I felt bad about it because I was letting Brake Sturges go to jail
• 1:24:22
  when I could have warned him, but I wouldn't dare you break the contractor
• 1:24:26
  Breach of promise with the agency.
• 1:24:30
  And Barry Seal asked me if I was gonna go with the second team, and I said, hell no.
• 1:24:36
  And he says, why?
• 1:24:37
  He says, you want me to shoot somebody?
• 1:24:38
  I'll go in here and shoot 'em.
• 1:24:39
  I said, but I ain't going in there and to steal nothing.
• 1:24:42
  But when we were stealing the training film's, what it was all about was the
• 1:24:46
  training film that we made at lake Pen.
• 1:24:49
  Where we'd jumping outta the back of a deuce and a half.
• 1:24:52
  George Bush was there, Lee Harvey, Jerry Hemmings, all of us, and we
• 1:24:57
  ripped roll out the back of the deuce and a half took position we
• 1:25:02
  regarding the out perimeter, and yet we're all looking back at the camera.
• 1:25:06
  So the camera got a good shot of all of us.
• 1:25:09
  We all wanted to be a movie star, I guess by looking into the camera.
• 1:25:14
  They wanted some dirt on you in case they needed to like, control
• 1:25:17
  you.
• 1:25:17
  And they got the film back.
• 1:25:20
  It was the night, the kil Barry Seals.
• 1:25:23
  Wow.
• 1:25:24
  They shot his car full of holes, A white kettle, like he was in, I don't
• 1:25:28
  know why he put his head down on the steering wheel and just accepted it.
• 1:25:33
  Me, I would've had to, I would've had it in reverse and I didn't
• 1:25:37
  give a shit who I run over.
• 1:25:38
  I'd have been getting outta there one way or the other.
• 1:25:40
  Oh yeah, me too.
• 1:25:41
  Yeah.
• 1:25:42
  Huh.
• 1:25:43
  But Barry just gave it up and laid down, laid his head down on the steering
• 1:25:46
  wheel, and they shot the hell out of him.
• 1:25:50
  Threw over 100 round spurt into the Cadillac.
• 1:25:53
  Jesus.
• 1:25:55
  The interesting thing was when we first started talking about this
• 1:25:58
  was that Barry was in that first picture with the Operation 40 group,
• 1:26:03
  right?
• 1:26:03
  Yep.
• 1:26:04
  And then, so they're running drugs into Mena, Arkansas many years later.
• 1:26:08
  And that's the credibility.
• 1:26:09
  And he's at Watergate with Barry Seale.
• 1:26:12
  So you got these Operation 40 guys that were in Mexico City already planning
• 1:26:16
  to kill Kennedy in January of 63.
• 1:26:19
  And then here they are up in the seventies running a soft coup to
• 1:26:24
  throw Richard Nixon outta office.
• 1:26:26
  'cause that was a coup just like Kennedy.
• 1:26:27
  Yeah.
• 1:26:28
  It was just a soft coup.
• 1:26:29
  They didn't kill, they didn't kill him.
• 1:26:32
  They just, the five of the six guys that got arrested at
• 1:26:34
  Watergate were CIA employees.
• 1:26:38
  Not only that, but tell him Jimmy, about how they e Howard Hunt's
• 1:26:42
  wife was killed in the airplane.
• 1:26:46
  With this one guy there called him Johnny Bench, what was his last name?
• 1:26:50
  Hunt.
• 1:26:50
  You remember that bad calf Midcalf?
• 1:26:52
  Yeah.
• 1:26:52
  Johnny REDCap her midcalf.
• 1:26:56
  He was put on the plane to kill both of 'em.
• 1:26:58
  Dorothy, Huh?
• 1:26:59
  And
• 1:26:59
  Michelle Clark.
• 1:27:00
  Yeah, Michelle Kar and the airplane.
• 1:27:04
  And they put a ladder inside the tanks, plane registered, had plenty of fuel
• 1:27:08
  and it didn't, and so they got the port to turn around there at Midway.
• 1:27:14
  And so they went in circle and come back in for second approach.
• 1:27:17
  And that's the plane went outta gas and they crashed the 72nd Walcott.
• 1:27:22
  I was home in Broadview, Illinois at the time the plane went down.
• 1:27:27
  Usually it was a 25 to 30 minute drive from there to the 72nd
• 1:27:32
  Walcott from where I lived.
• 1:27:34
  And that day I made it like, I dunno, 12 minutes.
• 1:27:38
  I had the, blew it out, my car lid flashing and everything else.
• 1:27:40
  I was blowing the horn and I was grabbing like crazy.
• 1:27:43
  And I got there and the ing was up.
• 1:27:45
  They had to tape up that says crime scene.
• 1:27:48
  And I asked one of the guys, I says, I showed 'em my id.
• 1:27:51
  They said, your people are over there.
• 1:27:53
  Oh, what the hell's going on?
• 1:27:54
  She says, I come.
• 1:27:55
  There're not gonna re rescuing the people.
• 1:27:57
  They said they're searching for a briefcase.
• 1:28:00
  And Michelle, she had she knew the phone at home would be ador at me.
• 1:28:03
  She knew the phone would be tapped.
• 1:28:05
  So she went down the corner, used the payphone, called Michelle and
• 1:28:09
  told her what she had, and told her what kind of briefcase to go get.
• 1:28:12
  And they'd make the swap on the airplane and find the Chicago.
• 1:28:17
  And dorothy had no idea they'd have the telephone payphone wire tapped.
• 1:28:22
  So the agency knew about it.
• 1:28:23
  And so they planned that and they put you on the med cap on there.
• 1:28:27
  And Dorothy, it was either derm.
• 1:28:31
  Remember he killed one of the women and he didn't know the plane was
• 1:28:34
  sabotaged, but he'd killed one of them.
• 1:28:37
  But the plane went down and he had gotten into the tail of the plane,
• 1:28:42
  which is the safe place, man.
• 1:28:45
  He was very upset when he found out the engine.
• 1:28:47
  He t tried to wipe him out too after killing Dorothy and Michelle.
• 1:28:51
  See
• 1:28:52
  Dorothy, he was a very unhappy person.
• 1:28:56
  E Howard Hunt got Dorothy to he had a stash of materials and,
• 1:29:00
  he was thrown in jail.
• 1:29:01
  Yeah.
• 1:29:02
  He, while he had already blackmailed the Nixon government for, million dollars
• 1:29:05
  to, to pay for the Cubans so that they could look while those guys were in jail.
• 1:29:11
  Yeah.
• 1:29:11
  I wanted to take care of their families.
• 1:29:14
  So then he tried this flag.
• 1:29:15
  Now Nixon, the second time around to turn him loose, Nixon wouldn't do it.
• 1:29:21
  So he Howard not, yeah, Howard not, he had his wife Dorothy go there
• 1:29:26
  and go pick, retrieve this material, the briefcase and everything.
• 1:29:30
  And he was making it popular and Michelle was gonna blow the story
• 1:29:33
  wide open, ended at all kind of shit and everything in there.
• 1:29:38
  Lot of operations.
• 1:29:43
  So the trade craft
• 1:29:45
  I'm getting pretty well tired and beaten.
• 1:29:46
  I'm having a hard time even thinking now talking.
• 1:29:50
  Okay.
• 1:29:50
  But I'm gonna have to lay back down because
• 1:29:55
  sitting there has took a lot out of me.
• 1:29:58
  We thank you,
• 1:30:01
  but I wanna thank you for having a stone today and talking about
• 1:30:04
  it and going down memory lane,
• 1:30:07
  thank you Mike.
• 1:30:08
  Thank you for your service because I had a good idea what you went through
• 1:30:14
  and we've walked the same path.
• 1:30:16
  Put it this way, we travel some of the same ground.
• 1:30:20
  Definitely
• 1:30:24
  have a good
• 1:30:25
  night.
• 1:30:25
  I dunno if you have nightmares or not, but I still have bad dreams.
• 1:30:34
  Yeah, call me tomorrow.
• 1:30:37
  Okay.
• 1:30:39
  Talk to you later, brother.
• 1:30:41
  Okay brother.
• 1:30:42
  Call me
• 1:30:42
  before
• 1:30:42
  the race.
• 1:30:43
  Have a good day.
• 1:30:44
  All right.
• 1:30:46
  Thank you guys.
• 1:30:48
  Thank you.
• 1:30:49
  Bye-Bye.
• 1:30:53
  You, you wanna go for another minute or two?
• 1:30:57
  Yeah, let's share that, that website one more time.
• 1:31:01
  Okay.
• 1:31:03
  It's their website is JFK murder, M-U-R-D-E-R James files,
• 1:31:12
  J-A-M-E-S-F-I-L-E s.weebley.com.
• 1:31:17
  And Weebley is spelled W-E-E-B-L-Y two E. So it's jf k murder james
• 1:31:26
  files dot weebley W-E-E-B-L y.com.
• 1:31:33
  And you can you can donate if you want to help 'em.
• 1:31:35
  They're struggling financially.
• 1:31:36
  They have been for a long time.
• 1:31:37
  When James got outta prison in 2016, after doing 25 years when Hillary Clinton
• 1:31:44
  tried to kill him he, had nothing.
• 1:31:46
  And Pam came across.
• 1:31:48
  There's books.
• 1:31:49
  There's the primary target JFK that one right there.
• 1:31:53
  You can get that autographed, you can get this transcript.
• 1:31:57
  And I think they're looking for a donate.
• 1:31:58
  I think it says it on there, but I think this one is like a hundred bucks.
• 1:32:02
  It's 90 some pages.
• 1:32:04
  Their book autographed.
• 1:32:06
  I it, we used to be $80 autographed and he put his thumbprint in there.
• 1:32:11
  I got him to put his trigger finger in some of mine, which
• 1:32:14
  I thought was a cool twist.
• 1:32:16
  That a trade craft where they killed oh I'll mention that too.
• 1:32:20
  There's a limited number of those colored pencil things that he did
• 1:32:24
  in a prison cell at Statesville.
• 1:32:26
  It's Jackie crying after the assassination.
• 1:32:29
  And that reflection, the sheen that you see on her hair is actually.
• 1:32:34
  Drawn in there.
• 1:32:35
  That's not a reflection of light on the picture.
• 1:32:37
  It's really an incredible, as simple as it is, and it's got his autograph.
• 1:32:41
  And I think that, and a couple of the other things like the book
• 1:32:45
  with his autograph are gonna be worth a lot of money someday.
• 1:32:47
  Can you imagine having a book written by John Wilkes booth on how he killed
• 1:32:52
  Abraham Lincoln and what the situation was, the political situation that was
• 1:32:57
  autographed by John Wilkes Booth with his fingerprint in it, what that would
• 1:33:01
  be worth today, but going back to the plane crash, they had arrested e Howard
• 1:33:05
  Hunt at the Watergate and thrown him in jail and he, got convicted and got
• 1:33:10
  sentenced to years and everything, and they were letting him rot in prison.
• 1:33:14
  And the CIA kind of eats its own, and I know, you know that some of
• 1:33:19
  the, some guys get treated rotten or they'll go do some very heroic things
• 1:33:23
  and then the next thing they do, they'll kill 'em some kind of way.
• 1:33:25
  So they can't talk about it, but what they do is they, you take a,
• 1:33:28
  an airplane and when it's refueled, you stick a bladder in the fuel
• 1:33:33
  tank and inflate it and seal it off.
• 1:33:36
  And then you fill the tank with fuel.
• 1:33:39
  But most of the tank is this bladder of air.
• 1:33:42
  So the fuel gauges in the cockpit say that the aircraft is full of fuel, but
• 1:33:47
  the, maybe two thirds of the fuel tank is empty because it's a, an air bladder.
• 1:33:52
  It's just a trade craft wave.
• 1:33:53
  So if somebody's flying, over mountains or over ocean or something like that,
• 1:33:58
  and you wanna make 'em, then when they crash and the aircraft burns,
• 1:34:01
  that little bladder burns up in the fire and there's no evidence of it.
• 1:34:05
  And it takes a really good investigator, especially if it smacks the water.
• 1:34:09
  Even when you ditch an airplane, like the way the Malaysian airplane was
• 1:34:13
  flown, controlled, they have a thing called an uner Uninterruptible copilot.
• 1:34:19
  And that airplane was flown with the passengers in it that were dead.
• 1:34:24
  If you wanna do a show on that, I can brief you on that,
• 1:34:27
  that airplane was taken over.
• 1:34:28
  You can, some of the Boeing aircraft and some of the Airbus
• 1:34:32
  aircraft can be flown by what's called an uninterruptible copilot.
• 1:34:37
  And you can't con, you can't, the people in the airplane can't control it.
• 1:34:39
  They take control of it with a computer.
• 1:34:42
  The flight controls don't work anymore.
• 1:34:44
  And if you wanted to fly airplanes into a building, you
• 1:34:47
  could do that if you wanted to.
• 1:34:49
  But the Malaysian airplane took off and it flew up toward Vietnam,
• 1:34:53
  and then it went up to it ascended to something like 42,000 feet.
• 1:34:57
  And it stayed up there only like 15 minutes.
• 1:34:59
  And then it came back down almost to the surface of the water and flew out over
• 1:35:02
  toward the Indian Ocean and disappeared.
• 1:35:06
  And my understanding is they were flying it with the uninterrupted copilot.
• 1:35:10
  But what you do is you take the airplane to altitude and then you
• 1:35:13
  turn off the pressurization system and everybody dies from a hypoxia
• 1:35:17
  in about two or three minutes.
• 1:35:19
  So now everybody on the plane is dead.
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  You got no witnesses.
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  You fly it to wherever you want it, you can land it automatic landing on a runway,
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  maybe Diego Garcia, maybe someplace, one of those military airfields in near
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  Midway Island or whatever, someplace.
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  And you land the airplane and then you can do whatever you want.
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  But the thing you had in the cargo hold, it had about a ton
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  of stuff that had been stolen.
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  One of those RQ nine reaper drones that had been ambushed when they were
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  moving it from the field to Bagram to be flown back to the States.
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  And the Taliban got ahold of it and they sold it to the Chinese for $9
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  million and somehow they got it to Malaysia and that flight was going to
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  Beijing with that controller unit in it.
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  And they knew it, and they wanted it back.
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  So that's how they did it.
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  They basically, they hijacked the,
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  what's that?
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  Do you think that's how he did 9 11 2,
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  how it's possible.
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  It's it's probable actually.
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  Yeah.
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  And I know I've got a friend also, this is totally off the subject to James files,
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  but he worked on the World Trade Centers.
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  He would they had a contract.
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  He was working for a company that was told they were installing
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  a 1 38 KV trunking system.
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  And they went in there and for weeks, they were different companies on diff
• 1:36:44
  that had seven or eight floors a piece.
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  It was completely compartmentalized, but they were drilling holes in the elevator
• 1:36:51
  shafts to mount this Trunky system.
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  And they were knocking holes in the concrete floor.
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  He said big enough to put sheets of plywood through.
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  And they worked on it only at night from 11 at night to
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  four or five in the morning.
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  And then they had to leave and he did it for weeks.
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  And both buildings were prepped and he left.
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  They were supposed to be at the, fBI building in St. Louis the next Monday.
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  And then the next day when it hit, they were told that the contract
• 1:37:18
  at the the building, the federal St. Louis had been canceled and
• 1:37:24
  they were giving their checks.
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  And one of my buddies told me, he said we've got our tool trailers and all
• 1:37:29
  this stuff out here, all the tools and all that stuff that, and the
• 1:37:32
  trailers that belong to the company, what do you want us to do with that?
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  And they said, just keep it.
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  Wow.
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  How about that?
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  Yeah.
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  So he went home with a trailer full of tools and but, and then the
• 1:37:44
  next day he sees the building is run into by airplanes, apparently
• 1:37:50
  that, and then the building falls into its shadow, straight down.
• 1:37:54
  And you got these little puffs coming at the side of the building as it's fallen.
• 1:37:57
  And everybody that sees that knows anything about implosion,
• 1:38:01
  demolition of buildings.
• 1:38:03
  It's so blatantly obvious that the building was prepped
• 1:38:06
  ahead of time and blown up.
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  And the steel beams were cut with, I understand.
• 1:38:10
  With a new type of nano thermite.
• 1:38:12
  And then see they cordon off the area and they had I think it was
• 1:38:17
  what's the name of that company?
• 1:38:17
  We work with 'em once in a while.
• 1:38:20
  Something in Jennings.
• 1:38:21
  But anyway, they had the contract to do the cleanup and they get in
• 1:38:24
  there and get all the concrete and the steel and stuff outta there.
• 1:38:26
  And supposedly it was bought for scrap by China or something like that.
• 1:38:31
  So whether it was, but there basically was no investigation and they didn't
• 1:38:35
  want anybody to see that steel.
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  'cause you could see where it had been cut by a thermite charge.
• 1:38:40
  Oh yeah.
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  That, that would've been easy to detect.
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  But isn't that funny that they dropped those buildings and they
• 1:38:46
  didn't do an investigation killed.
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  Thousand people know
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  how these work.
• 1:38:54
  Say that again.
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  Sounds like I'm
• 1:38:58
  doubling for some reason.
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  It's a problem that we know
• 1:39:05
  bad things.
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  Let mute my thing.
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  I'm wondering if we're, so how about,
• 1:39:15
  alright, let's call it so show.