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The Relapsed Heretic | Joan of Arc · Beheaded

• 0:05
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is season two, episode four.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Megan Moore and I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: And it's December.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's already December, guys.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: The holidays?
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: We're real close to the end of this awful year.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: And today we are continuing women empowerment.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we were really excited about the one we have in store for you guys today.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: I realized after the fact that we've done a lot of women this season.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, I know.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: And like it was like not intentional.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I love it a lot, but it's not like we sat down and we're like, oh, who are the most powerful women in history?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do that.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: But looking at our season and what you have ahead, like we have some pretty badass women.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like we've already covered amazing people, and I'm so excited.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really like I was nervous at the beginning of this because I feel like it's such a big daunting topic that I had to learn a lot about, you had to learn a lot about, but it was really fun learning about it.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I really enjoyed it.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: We'll reveal it in just a sec, but hints, it is French.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: She's woman.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's all you get for now.
• 1:04
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you want another hint.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's very hot.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there's only one picture of her that was actually created.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm winking.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: A winking, okay.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Get it?
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: She's hot.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: You'll get it later.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: You'll get it later.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: You'll you'll be in on the joke list.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, Elizabeth, how are you?
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's been um it's been a wonderful holiday season.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: I go back to Denver again for Christmas, which again.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Decided to do that.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of time in Denver this year.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's gonna be nice to be home with my family.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I know like, you know, travel's gonna be interesting, but I always stay safe.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: I feel I'll be there for like a week.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's you know what, your family I'm sure appreciates this time and just like enjoy the flexibility that you can even do this because we're working from home, we could take our laptops and really go wherever.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: I I have like a goal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: My and you know my goal.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how I'm gonna work it out.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: I want to get an Airbnb of a like a cottage in like York or Kent or some just beautiful place in England.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: I want an English countryside cottage for like three weeks.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like the holiday.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I get it, you have to go and you have to quarantine for 14 days.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's like that's fine.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: You want to do this alone, right?
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: You've told me you want to just go by yourself.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: I prefer to go alone.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: I I told my husband I wanted to do it last year, pre-COVID everything.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: And he was like, three weeks is a really long time.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, How about a week and then I come out and join you?
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, no, I need solitude.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: I want I want to I want a fireplace and I want like a little garden in the backyard.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I just want to write and read and podcast alone.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, it's just Megan.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um I have some things to talk about today.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: I saw a squirrel.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, I want to just like read like my 23rd book on Anne Boleyn and Yeah.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think that sounds lovely.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, I was gonna say, I also want to be like Jake and just join you after a week.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think you like in theory, yes, it's great to be alone, but I think you'll also want someone to join you on your excursions at some point, and I think that someone should be me.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: I I would be down for that.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: I do feel like at one point in everyone's life they need to be alone for a little bit.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: A hundred percent.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: I have never been alone.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's you'd fix that.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that okay?
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: Background on Megan Moore.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: I got married pretty young.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: I was 23.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: And that's very young, Megan.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think in today's age, I got a lot of criticism for it.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: You're still together.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I feel like I've gotten past the hump.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: So we've been married, it'll be eight years in December.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: We've been like dating like overall together for 12 years.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like once you hit this certain hump where it's okay, I'm not leaving Jake.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: I love Jake.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're nowhere in our like future do we see divorce.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: But if something really goes south and I have like we end it, I feel like I got over the hump of the stigmatism where it's like, oh well, she married young.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, no one made it say I made it far.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because you were young and immature.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're now 30, 31.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: 31.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's fine now.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now you can leave him at any time.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I'm sure he's really reassured by that.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um that's you guys have a great relationship, it's very nice.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, no, but anyways, like my point of this was like, I really just want to be alone.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: Some people think that's weird.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean, a little bit background on Elizabeth Black here.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, I I feel like I've been in and out of a lot of different relationships, like throughout my whole life.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, since I was 11, Megan knows she always makes fun of me.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, You're forced to be a little bit more than a big one.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: That is too young.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: I was actually 10.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, I was 10 years old.
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  SPEAKER_01: My first kiss was at 11.
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  SPEAKER_01: We were in love.
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  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful little relationship.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, his name was Jake.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: Is this the guy who got hit by the train?
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: Sad, yeah, very sad, gruesome.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was after, way after I like knew him.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: After their love.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, after our love story when we were very young.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: No, but um now we're turning this into a weird thing.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, but anyway, long story short, I I've you know, I'm obviously 32 and not married.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm I you're 32?
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just kidding, I knew that.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you knew that.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: Rubbed my face.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, I like being in my 30s.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: I really do.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: I love it more than my 20s.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I I don't know.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not, I don't know if I'll ever get married.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I just like I loved my independence when like before I was in my long relationships, you know, that I've had in the last decade.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I had a time where I moved to Arizona and I bought a townhouse, and like I was, yeah, I was 22 when I bought my townhouse, like newly 22.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, I know, and I'm such a hypocrite.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's too young.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: Too young, not normal.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: So before you were married, I had a house and I was just living my best life, like, you know, like alone, like fit like fixing up my house, and that time of solitude was so important, and like you just like learned like I can do this, like I can be on my own, and I can do all these cool things, and I like traveled a lot.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was a teacher at the time, which was funny if you knew me because we already do.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like you were guarded.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: You would be the worst teacher.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like the worst for kindergartners.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was I honestly it was okay, but I did not.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: Did you torture them?
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: Did you tie them up onto chairs and you're like you're gonna shh like hear your little shit?
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, I was I was okay, but I looking back, I was like, what the hell were you thinking?
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: You do not like kids.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: But at the time I thought I did, you know.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, long story short, uh, solitude's very important.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe that works.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: I get a week, you come for a week, yes, and then Jake can get the final week.
• 6:30
  unknown: Perfect.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: Again, like, yeah, potentially this could work during quarantine because working from home, I can bring my laptop and just work like US hours, but then I feel like nothing will be open.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not the right time.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go and I'm gonna go experience like Tower of London and all of that.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: And even if it is open, I don't know.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: I I really want to enjoy it.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll we'll do our trip.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: I know we've always talked about our trip, and I'll let you go early to experience your alone time or whatever.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: But let me write the great American novel first and then uh give me a week.
• 7:03
  unknown: Okay.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm done.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: You can come now.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh okay.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: Follow-ups from last week.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we Who were we even who was it last week?
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: Stenka, Stanka Racine.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: Two weeks ago, technically.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, it's true.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: We're too lazy to do every week.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not about lazy.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: We have very demanding schedules and we're working women, and it's hard.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: Hard to get together all the time.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a lot.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, uh so Stefan Stepan slash Stenka Racine, who is our Russian rebel pirate.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um we didn't like have formal follow-ups really, but I did talk to Elena, who if you remember from season one was in our uh Romanov episode, and I just wanted some like basic general questions.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Have you heard the name like Stenka Racine?
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: I tried to say it Russian so she knew.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, Oh, she's like, the first thing she says, Oh, Stepan Rasprutin, yeah.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, no, not Rasputin.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: We've talked about him before.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: She was like, oh no, no, no.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, but his name's Stepan, right?
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, yeah, Stepan, Stanka is his nickname.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: And she goes, Oh yes, I've heard of him.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: We're on a nickname basis with him, clearly.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: You clearly don't know him as well as we do.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: But I was like, uh, what did I say to her?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: I said, how would you describe him?
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what what was he to you?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm trying to get her to say, like, pirate rebel.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: And she goes, he's village person.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh, okay.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like a peasant.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: True.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: Not not incorrect.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I said.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, so like a peasant.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, Oh, yeah, that's the word in the English, peasant.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, we don't have that word, we say person from small village.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: Your accent.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's offensive or not, but I like it.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think it sounds just like her.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: It really does.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I get a kick out of it.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: But so I was like, okay, cool.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, would you call him a pirate?
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: And she goes, We don't have that word in Russian, but he's like bad guy rebel guy.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he is.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, good.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, all right, well, that's good that you kind of know who he was.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I guess seeped in your Russian tradition, you at some point learn about him.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's the bad guy.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then I said, Was there anything in the red square like dedicated to him, like a plaque or like a something, you know, with his name on it?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: And she goes, Well, what do you mean?
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Well, he's executed there.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's got to be something that says something about him.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, So many people killed there.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, all right, cool.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: And that was our follow-up from our last episode.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm glad she learned about him and she knows about him.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: And okay, it gives me because I've never heard of him before that.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: So no, so he's worse about myself.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't grow up in Russia.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, oh, one other follow-up from him last time.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh I had told our listeners that my dearest mother, mommy dearest, was coming to visit for Thanksgiving, and I'm sure you're all dying to know how that went.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: We all survived.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: Was your house clean enough for her?
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: It actually was a really fun weekend.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: She had nothing negative to say, was very pleasant.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: Elizabeth got to meet her for the first time.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: That was fun.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: We really liked her.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: We went to being us.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: The only thing we could do was go to the Titanic exhibit because we're like, what's a good historical museum to go see that's a little bit morbid?
• 10:00
  unknown: Yeah.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: It was kind of a cool exhibit though.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: You saw like artifacts that they like uh arch we try to say archived, but like they um excavated.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Excavated.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, yeah.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's the word.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I get well, you'd you call it excavated if you found it in the bottom of the ocean?
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Found whatever.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: They found discovered these objects.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was really cool.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we've there was like um old letters, old like bill folds, uh perfume bottles, like you know, uh some stuff from like the chandeliers.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Cool part.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: So you would recognize this from the Titanic movie at the very foot of the grand staircase in first class.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: There's that lamp with the cherub, like the little baby angel.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um they had that, but not the Titan, the like the real, not the movie, right?
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: The actual one.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: It so they did a comparison of like the picture from the movie and then what it actually looks like, which of course it's been laying at the bottom of the ocean for year, you know, a hundred years almost.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that was the coolest part.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: I loved that.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: I loved it.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like not exactly an exact yeah, the one in the movie isn't of an exact replica, but it's close enough.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: You get the point.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: It was that was the coolest part of the entire exhibit.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: And um the actual iceberg that they had.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if it's not the real iceberg though, like I phrased that incorrectly.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not stupid.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: I know it's not the real iceberg.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't think that was the iceberg.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: But they had an iceberg to like look at it, see like what was and it was actually cold.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: It was ice, and it was like, this is basically a replica not size-wise, but like this is an iceberg.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Never mind, I'm gonna stop talking.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: The ice was cool.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: I liked the ice.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: The ice was really nice.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, no, we had a wonderful time with Megan's mom.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: We went to brunch first and then went to the exhibit together.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think of Lisa?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: I love her.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, she's so funny, and she's so much like you in so many ways, just like the little, like, like not quirky thing she says, but like funny, witty, like just things she would insert here and there.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: And when we got back from the exhibit, um, Megan's dad was was at her house and he's like, Oh, how'd you guys like the Titanic exhibit?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I I kid you not, like Lisa just goes.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, you know, I was just expecting to see like a body or like a ship with blood on it.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: She didn't say that.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: I did not hear that.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: I just I just cracked up because I was like, that's such a Megan thing to say.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: My mom is like almost as morbid as I am.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: I get all of it from her.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, isn't there a lifeboat with just like blood spatters on it?
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I said.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I don't know that there would just be blood hanging out on a lifeboat, but she's great.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: My mom is the one who introduced me to history and reading, and she's she's very well versed.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: She knows so many things.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's very street smart.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: I just finished the book.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: I just finished the book Dead Wake by Eric Larson, which is about the Lucy Tanya um ocean liner sinking, uh, which was like a couple years, I think it was four years after the Titanic sunk.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um so she and I talked about that.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I talked like we were like comparing and contrasting how like the Lucy Tanya sunk versus the Titanic, and it was just so cool to have someone who like had that wealth of knowledge, and I was like, really, you know, I'm in this world right now where I'm all I'm thinking about is ship sinking.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: So you know, it was fun to talk to her about it.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's pleasant.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: Happy holidays.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: Can't wait for her to come back.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um do you want to announce our um snacks?
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, sure.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say our execution-e, but yes, snacks, they're important.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so snacks today we have a beautiful Sauvignon Blanc from France.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: We're trying to look at the area, and it literally just says France.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's from France.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, okay.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's enough for me.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and uh it's really tasty.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: We're drinking some right now.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then Megan made two things.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: She made these really nice brie puffs with pastry puffs.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, but they're really, really good.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: We devoured them real fast.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: You can find these brie stuffed pastry puffs.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: We don't have to tell you where it is because you know where it is.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Trader Joe's.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: I was I rarely moan when I'm eating.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: I moaned.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: It was so good.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: It just explodes of hot, warm briefs.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, it was fabulous.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, and then you can talk about the other thing.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: I tried to make a French thing like appetizer snacky thing.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I saw on a blog on Pinterest a French salai cake.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: S-A-L-E.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying it wrong.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's a savory cake, so it had like cheese and olives and ham, I think.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: Ham and so it's it's not a sweet cake.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was a fail.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: That was a Pinterest fail.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: It was like spongy and a weird consistency and bland.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: We don't like to waste food, but we threw it away.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: We threw it out, but the picture the pictures look good.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: You had a bite of a slice.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: No, I had the whole slice.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: You ate that whole thing?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you didn't eat the whole thing.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: I took a bite of it.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't the worst thing.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: You made it sound like it was.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the worst.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like if it wasn't bad and the cheese blints thing we had for Miss Katie Howard.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: We have hits and misses.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: We will always share.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: We're not only a podcast on executions, we are also a food review for Trader Joe's.
• 15:06
  unknown: Yeah.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's why we're getting all of our new listeners.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh, let's hear about the Trader Joe's part.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: Just fast forward through everything else.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um okay.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: And why so why are we doing French themed?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because we have Lady of the Day, Lady of the Century, Lady of the Lady of the millennia, Joan of Arc.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: Joan of Arc! She's amazing in every single way.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: We love her so much.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: And we have been thinking about this episode for a very long time and you know, doing the full research and watching these documentaries.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, talk about them in fact with her.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like thrown around the term like badass and whatever.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: But this girl, seriously, I don't know.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think she might be the she takes it to a new level.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm trying to think of like who would be comparable to her nowadays, just in the sense of like a woman who leads an army and is just like, but she's so young.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's a teenager.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure I know that there's so many powerful women out there right now.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: I just like I just think Joan Navarre kind of like set really high expectations.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: For the era, too.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is a set the bar really high for being a badass bitch.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh my god.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: And like, you know, just she didn't accept her gender role or what was expected of her as a woman.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: She wasn't educated, you know, and she just led the French army.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, she's amazing.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna obviously go through all the details.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we'll start with her early life and get into it.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, tons and tons of information available about her, so we'll try to make it as instinct as possible.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: We're already at like almost 20 minutes, so we're gonna have to try to figure out how to Well that was just Trader Joe's talk.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's get going.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Joan of Arc, born 1412.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, middle ages.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna set the background a bit.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: So she's in France, she's in a very um, she's a peasant, her parents are her dad's a farmer.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Village person.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she's a village person, and she's um in an eastern um town in France called Dramerie.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Dramerie?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Dramerie.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Dramerie sounds drummery um okay.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: The background is the hundred years' war is going on right now.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: And to give you some contact some context, this war started in 1337, literally over a hundred years long.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's basically like it started off as an inheritance dispute between France and England.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: And basically the English wants dual monarchy, so they're just invading the shit out of France.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: And at the point when Joan of Arc is born, and where all of this comes from, is it's mostly English occupied.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: So imagine living in your country, but another king is the one calling the Shah's, and they're like, Oh, we're gonna own this land too.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: This is ours.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it was essentially a civil war too in France, because like the south of France um was full of the I'm gonna say this wrong, the Armanacs.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: The Armanacs.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so the Armanacs were all at the south, um, and they were the ones that wanted to keep you know France French.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: They wanted a French king, and they didn't want the English in there, which makes sense.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is French, please get the English out of here.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: But in the north, including Paris, was the Burgundians, and they were the French that were actually loyal to the English.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: So England, like England had its own territories within France, but then on top of that, you had this northern part of France, which are French people, but they're like, oh no, like our loyalty is to England and the King of England.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: So they're they're not only France is not only going to war with England at this point, but there's also this big civil war going on, too.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting because so Joan of Arc's family is living in this little town in the east of France called Drameret, and there's this tiny little segment that's just surrounded by the Burgundium.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: Burgundians.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so they're the Armanac, like tiny like colony in the middle of just this Burgundian territory.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: So they're Armanac, like that if we can remember anything through this whole episode, the Burgundians, the Armanacs, Joan of Arc is a Armanac.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: And her little town is like this little isolated area surrounded by the Burgundians.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: The Burgundians.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we're gonna fast forward just a little bit here.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um 1425, she's 13 years old, and this is really when her story starts.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: She says it was sum it was summertime, she's in the garden, it's a beautiful day, and she starts having visions of saints and figures coming in.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: She's hearing voices, she's hearing voices.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: She's saying that the voices are coming from her right side, which is the direction of the of the church.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: The light is coming from her right side, but also the light is all around her.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: And she says it is none other than the archangel Michael, but he showed up with Saint Margaret and Saint Catherine Catherine of Alexandria and the angels.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: So she's approached by saints and angels, and they're telling her that you need to support Charles VII, who is the dolphin of France, right, not yet king, but he's basically the eldest son.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's the eldest side.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: He represents the uh every time I'm gonna forget how to say it.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Arminac?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: Armanac.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I need to put it on like a board in front of me because once I read it, I remember it.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: The way I remember is like almanac.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Almanac, Armanac.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'll try that.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um so the angels start telling her, you need to save France from England.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: You need you're gonna bring Charles the Seventh, the crown, and the French are gonna take control.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so imagine being 13 and you're like, yeah, okay, I'm gonna be the one.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: I got don't worry, I got this.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: I got this.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be the one who saves everyone.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: And she wasn't, you know, apparently freaked out by these voices.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was, it wasn't a thing at the time to be like, oh my gosh, I'm crazy.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and similar to our Elizabeth Barton episode where we talk about the nun of Kent and how she had these visions and these voices and things.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was more about, okay, it's not um it's not a bad thing to get voices, but who's talking to you?
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Is it God Himself?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Is it angels?
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Is it a demon?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: So that was more what was in question about it.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it wasn't the weird part that you're getting visions.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: They were like, oh yeah, you get visions, cool.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have voices, great.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, are they good or bad voices?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Is the only real question.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's also just kind of wild that I mean, of everyone, it's a 13-year-old girl.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: She's illiterate, she's a peasant, yeah, living in the countryside of France in the Middle Ages.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: And this is gonna be our heroine who saves France.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: I just love it, it gives me chills, the whole thing.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: She's so confident from such a young age.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: And at first, she didn't tell anybody about these visions.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: She very much believed in it.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: She said after she saw the vision, she wept.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: She wanted to go with them.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: Again, she wasn't afraid.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: It was a very comforting vision that she had.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but so she kind of keeps quiet about it until three years later, she's 16.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I guess that's when you know, like, it's really weighing on you.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know what?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: God told me I gotta do this, gotta keep dragging my feet here.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um burning desire.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: Burning desire.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure, like, you know, when you lay in bed at night, you're like, dang it, I got to do this.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: Another day passed, and I haven't saved France.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Three years later, here I am.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Still not saving anyone.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: So 16.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she goes into town and she petitions for an escort to take her to the French court.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: She wants to meet Charles VII and Dauphine face to face, tell him about her vision, be like, yo, Charles, Chuck, I'm your girl.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be the one who's gonna be a good one.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: Give me some men, give me some horses.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Give me an army, I will I will do it, I will fight.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, they think she's a fool.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: And she's a 16-year-old girl.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: Go back, you tot.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: You tot.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they basically tell her, like, you know, give this girl a slap on the face.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: She does not know what she's talking about.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's just it's a hard no.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: She doesn't give up.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: She waits a year.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: Again, every night.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, dang it.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm almost 17 years old and still not the savior of France.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's frustrating.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: So she returns in February.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: At this time, it's um 1429 is the year that she comes back.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's February 1429.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: But she's not, she she doesn't make the same mistake.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: She shows up with two soldiers, two knights, right?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, two Burgundian knights, which is crazy.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like the guy is on the other side of the fence from you.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: But that's how charismatic, confident, and powerful she was.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's like, Well, if you need me to have backup, sure.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: And at this point, she starts sharing with people in the town what her goal is, and they start believing her.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: So they start giving her armor and they're kind of backing her up on this.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, let the girl speak.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the people she's talking to, and she says, I must be at the king's side.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: There will be no help without me.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: And she's saying, I need to go see the Dauphine, and they're still kind of laughing at her.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: At this time, though, she goes, Okay, well, I will show that I'm a prophet.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: She predicted a defeat of a battle.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's called the Battle of Ralph Ralvre.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: Hundreds of miles away from where they are.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: And mind you, this is like before Twitter, this is before social media, anything.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: They had no idea what was going on.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: And she told them, Um, we're gonna be defeated in this battle, and they find out much later, days later, I don't know, weeks, I don't know.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: That it happened that she was right.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: Also, side note, I feel like they probably had a good chance of being defeated.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'll give her that much.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, What's a vague thing I can say to really win these people over?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: In the next battle, you will be defeated.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna lose because you need me.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because you need me.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and they're very impressed by that, so they agree.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you know what?
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: We'll do it for it.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they give her six men to escort her, and this is really important because again, she's a young teenage woman.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: She's surrounded by enemy territory.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: The Dauphin is located in what's the Chenon?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Chanon, Shaunin, Chanin.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're American.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: They get it.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so sorry.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um they it's 250 miles away.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: I lost my spot.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: There it's about 250 miles away.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: So to protect her, she dresses as a boy.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, very important.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is kind of what Joan of Arc is known for of her cross-dressing, which has a purpose.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's not necessarily just because she is like, I want, I don't want to comply with gender roles and I want to be a boy.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's more or less of um a dress, it doesn't protect you.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: And when you're a female out there in the middle ages, yeah, well now am I gonna be wearing a dainty little skirt and be walking around with protection.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's like your armor, you know.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: So she cut her hair, she looked like a boy, she wore um boys' clothing.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she had short, dark hair, short dark hair, and then they basically like she had so many supporters who gave her armor and weapons, and she learned how to ride a horse, and this is like the Joan of Arc that we know of just like trotting through.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: The images that you have, exactly.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: The images you have of Joan of Arc where she's just in full armor, ready to go.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: So she goes to Chinon, sees um Charles the Seventh, and again, this is 250 miles away, so she was all the way there and just needs a private meeting with him.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: And she finally gets her private meeting because he's heard so much about her, obviously, and she's very persistent.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: But he's not convinced, obviously, right away.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: And why would you be?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's a 17-year-old girl coming, you're like, okay, you're in boys' clothes and armor, and you're thinking you're gonna lead my army.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: But he was one of those people who was more open-minded than a lot of people in this era.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: He was kind of grasping at straws, like he was very religious, very devout, and was looking for signs and looking for something to tell him that, like, you know, he needed to take France back.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: So he was, in a way, kind of searching for someone like her.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like he was open to that.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they were running out of hope though, too, because they were not doing that great at the time before she showed up, and and they needed some they needed some miracle to step in.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, Well, maybe this is our miracle here.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: So, again, for for a couple weeks, they were a little hesitant but optimistic.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, We're not really sure what this girl's about.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: So they questioned her, they asked her a lot about her visions and her voices, because she at this point, again, she's very much telling everyone, like, no, this is what I'm meant to do.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm three weeks.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so three weeks of questioning.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: And she doesn't change her mind.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: She said, like, I'm on a mission from God, like, I know exactly what I want.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, give me an army, I will I will do anything.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: And what was the thing she said exactly?
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: She said, like, I'm going to um I'm going to put essentially put you on the throne.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to make you um the king of France.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so he said, Okay, well, let's put her to the test a little bit.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so he had a mission for her, and he was like, you know what?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: Orleans, which they say it very French.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Orleans.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Orleans.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: Orleans.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we're gonna call it Orleans, because again, hi, we're from Arizona.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry about that.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, that's like it was a critical city because it was right in the middle of France, like right, you know, on the border of the Civil War, essentially.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: So uh at the time it was uh run by the Burgundians, and they said that's a that city we need because once we get Orleans, we're gonna have the areas around it, we're gonna move our border further north and kind of push these Burgundians up.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: So he's like, you know what?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Show me what you got, girl.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you're gonna go to Orleans, and if you can take it, awesome.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I believe you, like, I that's the sign that I needed, that's the faith that I needed.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't, who cares?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we just lost a 17-year-old girl in battle, doesn't matter.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're in the siege anyway.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: But also, I'm gonna take a back star just because you mentioned this earlier, uh huh.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: How it wasn't even so much of a question of like, are you crazy and saying that you're not at all?
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: For for Charles, it was okay, we totally believe you're seeing things, but are you seeing demons?
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: Or are you seeing angels?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, are you gonna take down France with your demons or are you like a saint of God and you're gonna help us?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because if if she were seeing demons, he doesn't want to put his trust and faith into someone who's a heretic, right, and who's like actually working with the devil.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: He wants to actually know that she is getting the messages from straight from God or from a saint or from an angel.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what like cracks me up on all of this.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like, are you a fake, which is with Elizabeth Barton, that was more the scenario of like, is she just lying and maybe this isn't all real?
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, oh, we believe they believed it.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: But uh who are you talking to?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, continue.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: He's on the other end of that telephone.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so another interesting sign that really reassured him that uh he was making the right move was she found a sword in St.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: Catherine's church.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: So it was the sort of sword she used in battle, and she knew exactly where to find it in the church.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like she came in the church, she knew exactly it was behind the altar because one of her voices had told her that.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and they were so impressed by this because they were like, oh, like maybe she is right.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like she's she's predicted certain things, she knew exactly where this sword was.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um so the sword has become somewhat of a legendary thing where people think like that's kind of the altar.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like pull the gryndorf, like she's pulled that thing straight out of the stern hat.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's like kind of like you find uh, you know, the Excalibur.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's that's a Harry Potter reference for those who don't understand.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they get it.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um so so that was another thing, like, okay, girl, like again, go off, take Orleans, like show us what you got.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so when she arrived in Orleans, like again, she's in armor, which some people uh who were on the um uh Armanac side, they were the ones that were like, wow, like she's our savior.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: And they knew right away just looking at her, like seeing how bold she was and how fierce and confident she was.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: They were very proud of her.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were, you know, it wasn't even like, okay, who's this woman?
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, prove it.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: They immediately gravitated towards her.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: She had this weird aura about her that they knew, like, she's here to save us.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and then the people on the Burgundian side saw her and saw her in men's clothes, and some of them called her the Armanac whore.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: They also said that she was like an abomination because technically I I think it is in the Old Testament in the Bible where it says like a woman in men's clothing is an abomination of God or something like that.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: I love it how they call her a whore, and she's probably the farthest.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Literally, yeah, she's literally the colour.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay, then I know so.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Don't throw that word in my face.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so anyway, so she gets um, she finally gets to Orleans, and then uh like again, the Dauphin of of France, uh Charles the Seventh, he's having doubts at this time.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Okay, we're there, she's there.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: But he was really hesitant to actually start a battle.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: She was there for like, I think four days by herself.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like he wouldn't send men to help her.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they didn't give her the backup like he said he would.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: He said, I'll give you an army.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, um Where's the army?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the army was outside of Orleans, like at their base.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: So he he did give her an army, but he didn't like officially release them to into battle yet.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: So she's there and she's literally shouting in the streets.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like she's just like, like, come on, like, you know, we can take you kind of thing.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like she was like, you know, ready to go.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: So finally, the captain um of the army was so convinced that she was the one to save them that he uh he went off to the Delphine.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: He went all the way back and said, You need to release these soldiers.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, let her go to battle.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: She's ready.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's the opportunity that you said that you would give her.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: So on the 4th of May, um, and do you know what year that is?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's 1429 still.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, 1429.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he she she he's like, Okay, release the soldiers.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: Release the soldiers.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: So um she she goes into battle, it's like a three-day battle.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: So by the 7th of May, she wins.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: She had a minor injury, she did get like an arrow through, I think the area like above her shoulder, between her neck and shoulder.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: About a flesh wound.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: But a flesh wound.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and the English captain fell.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like he literally fell into a river.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think the Liore River.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so she she won the battle, she proved herself.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, and it was the first time she'd seen men die, it was the first time she'd gone into battle, and somehow she just possessed this great skill to like she wasn't scared.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: So cool.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, she was she was skillful with the sword, like she knew what to do, she like knew who to kill.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: She's an amateur though.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: She's a complete amateur, she led the entire army.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: She was such a strong leader, and so if that's not a sign, I don't know what it is, because they were like, Okay, I get it.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: So at this point, she has like a ton of followers, and so they were able to take over Orleans or Orleans, and um sh her whole thing, as Elizabeth said, is let me, you know, I will win you the crown of France.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna get you coronated.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: And because they won that battle, they went in as bright as day into what we call dreams.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um that's traditionally where most where all the French monarchies were coronated.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh funny enough though, the English were still there.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: They were still there.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was like an English um, it was almost like an FU to England.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: They went in anyways.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like, all right, well, we just took Orleans, we took all the land around Orleans, and now we're like marching to to Reims to get this coronation going.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: So Joan and the Delphine go there, they get him coronated, and he's officially the king of France.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: And that's gotta be like the most victorious moment because that's what she said she would do.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: That was her entire purpose.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: She's standing right there next to him.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, and something we didn't really clarify, um, this is kind of like her her staple image is her white banner.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: So she's known for, again, sporting that that boyish look.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: She's got her hair short, wearing this glamorous armor, and she's got this white silk banner that she just charges through with on her horse, and she's like waving this flag.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of like I think in most depictions that we see of her today, she's got that banner.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: Such a cool visual.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Especially because it is white and it's silk, you know, so it shows like she's on the side of God.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like she's on the side of France, and she's here.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's here to be the savior.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so so they're in Reims, the coronation happens, um, and after that, she writes to the Duke of Burgundy, who's again part of the Burgundian uh side, and she asks him for his recognition of the new king.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, Alright, like he's now the king of France, you know, bend the knee to him, essentially.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so he dismissed her.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: He was like, Who's this girl?
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I know, yeah, you took Orleans, and yeah, sure, you got a crown for your king.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but what have you actually done?
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so she, you know, after that was like, Well, I'm gonna take Paris because Paris was the next big city, and if she could take Paris, that's the capital.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's yeah, that's the capital.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have France at that point if you can take Paris.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so she she then marches on Paris.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: At this point, it's September, which if you think of like her whole year, I mean that's crazy.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you literally like go, you introduce yourself to the Delphine, you're like, hey, uh, if it's okay, I'm gonna lead your army, win you a battle, and then get you a crown.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then she does those things.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then in September, she's like, Let's go get Paris.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: She started this, so she first got the petition to even go see the Dauphin in February.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: She showed up in March because it's th 250 miles away and they're walking.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then from March to September, think of what we did 2020 between March and September.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well, 2020 terrible.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: What did we accomplish versus Joan of Arc is taking down entire ambushing entire cities?
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: Chinese Creek six seasons.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: Same.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Basically comparable.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's basically the same.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: We're basically like Joan of Arc, just as brave.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's September, and she's just highly impatient.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: So she decides to invade Paris um September 8th, which is the holy feast day.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: So she chooses to very intentional idealized day, very intentionally, because she's like, this again is like adding to her legacy of I'm here to be a savior.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm here as like uh someone taking out, you know, a mission for God.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so she finally gets there.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately, in the very first day of battle, she's hit in the thigh with an arrow.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Ouch.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't that the battle too.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think she's like, she was like announcing something, you know, to the Burgundians, being like, We're taking this city, like, we're here to fight.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: And they said, Shut up, you tart, or something like that.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's like, We're gonna come in and kill you without any mercy unless you leave.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they're yeah, that's it.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: They called her a tart and then they shot her with an arrow.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: So it was such a bad wound that she did have to be carried off of the field.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: The worst part about this though is the king, who she just made king, said, Okay, you're done in Paris.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: Gives her one day.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: Gives her one day.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: She said you needed to take Paris down in a day.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: I gave you a day, and you failed.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, um, excuse me, sir.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: I need at least four.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: For like taking out an entire day.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: A day.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it just reminds me of just like being just a girl in the career world, too.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh my gosh, they challenge you.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like if you're a guy, you're allowed as many fuck-ups as you want.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, okay, it's okay, Bill, you know, get them again tomorrow.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you go into Paris tomorrow, try again, like, you know, lick your wounds and then go back.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're a girl, it's like, well, you had shot.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we gave you that opportunity.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: And you really didn't prove yourself.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't take take Paris in a day, so maybe go back to what you were doing.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: I I can't personally say for the company I work for, but I think I've been at companies before though.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: Ours is very women in power.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: Very women in power.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: Female CEO, like most of the executives are women.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: So ours, our company, thank you.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: But I have absolutely experienced that before.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Where they have very little patience.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: If you fail once, well, I guess you're not fit for it.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I can't hang with the big boys.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh so anyway, so uh essentially the king, who's king because of her, decides, yeah, let's just give up on Paris.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then after that, there's a six-month truce.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: So literally, they don't take Paris, and then he's like, guys, can we just stop the fighting for a little bit?
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: So England, you know, and the Burgundian area and the king of France, now I'll say, let's just relax for six months.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: So they just take six months off.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but but think in perspective of things.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: We're in the hundred years war.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: So out of a hundred years, maybe every five years they just have a tree.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: Six month break feels appropriate.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: I suppose.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know you could do that.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like for every seven for no, for like every 25 years, you get six months off.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's like PTO, like you build it up, you work some, you get some off, you get it.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: Pretty burnt out, get some off.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't take Paris, so let's just all chill for a little bit.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: Put a pause on the timer.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: And they all but they all comply to this.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: No one breaks the rules.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: I guess.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: Which is great, including Joan.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Joan didn't do anything.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because she's a good girl.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: She was, yeah.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: So uh six month truce.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm sure Joan loves the six month truce and is just waiting patiently in her bed every night.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, she she was like ready to go, still like wondering when the next thing was gonna happen.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: So finally, the next thing that does happen after this truth is she goes to a city that's like northeast of France.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean sorry, of France, of Paris.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Paris.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, called Compignet.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: Is that how you say it?
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: Compine?
• 39:40
  unknown: Yes.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: Compine.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: Stop while you're ahead.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: One of our so she goes to this other city, and this time she goes really without the support of the king, because now she obviously has lost a little faith in him saying, Oh, you really had a patient.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think she was sitting there for six months.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: So this is now springtime.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: This is May 1430.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: She's only been at this for about a year.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like itching for some more English blood.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that's exactly what happened.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: So she went in it a little bit too quickly, I think.
• 40:12
  unknown: Yes.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, didn't quite work out for her.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so they went in ambushing hard and they got she got captured.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: She got literally pulled off of her horse by multiple men.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: Multiple men.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: They just saw her, they took her.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder how tall she was.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: I picture her as almost like a Brienne of Tarth kind of girl.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: You do?
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: I picture her more petite.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think that makes it even cooler.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: If she's petite, that's pretty awesome.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because Megan and I are both petite, and like I'd like to think of- We're both like five foot one.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: We're small but mighty.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: We are small but mighty.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I I'd like to think of her like that, but I don't know, to be that domineering, you might be.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: I won't get caught up on her on her height and way in BMI.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, so she gets taken off of her horse and she gets imprisoned by the Burgundians.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: Again, like this is also partially England, like English, and the Burgundians, they've got her in their grassy.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: She, and this wasn't like an instant she went to trial, which we've had examples like this before in our in our previous episodes, where it's a lot longer than we feel like, like than we imagine.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think of she's sitting for months and months just waiting for what's gonna happen.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: She's ignorant, she doesn't know what's going on, she doesn't get any news from the outside world, and the entire time while she's imprisoned, she's just holding on to this hope that a miracle will happen.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: She's you know, a prophet of God, and someone's gonna come and save her.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: Something miraculous will happen.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: She made several escape attempts.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, at one point she jumped out of the tower, which was a 70-foot drop.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's insane.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: How tall is 70 feet?
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's seven floors, right?
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: That I is that I don't know actually.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's no four floors.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Think of someone who's six foot tall.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: You think of floors seven feet?
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: I guess not.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's like the drop in Jurassic Park at Universal Studios.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, I don't know that, right?
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure like the I don't think you say that like that's a thing we should all know.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like the Jurassic Park drop.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I feel like, or like Splash Mountain.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like that's about 70 feet.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's fair, I guess.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: I really don't know.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: I can't.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe follow it.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: How big 70 feet?
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: I will write a note, but because I want to know, not because you're telling me to write it down.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um so she jumps not injured, mind you.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: She was fine, but yet still in prison.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't really help her out.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um and also I'm writing down this note that says, How tall is 70 feet?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, 70 feet?
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say I know in person.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: For comparison, like comparison to 70 feet.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna laugh at this note later.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she finally go gets to her trial and it's overseen by the English people.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: And let's just start by saying this trial started off unfair.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing about this trial is fair.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: The greatest part, she's not up for trial for being for war crimes, war crimes, or anything to do with any kind of killing.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: For actual crimes that maybe she could have been actually been in prison for, but it's all about heresy and a cross-dressing.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not even kidding with you.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's ridiculous.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, and again, the heresy part of it is was it the devil she's speaking to, or is it the angels?
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: We know it's someone, but it but if it's the devil, then she's a heretic.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: So this whole time they're just looking for evidence of her visions and uh, you know, uh voices, wondering, okay, what exactly is this?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Where does this come from?
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: Looking for evidence into it and asking her a million questions.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: And it was great because she was very, very resistant.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: So after all this time just waiting for something to happen, when they finally do start questioning her and putting her on trial, she doesn't swear the complete oath.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: She's kind of saying, you know, I might not answer your questions.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm going to refuse some of the things she's doing.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: She wasn't intimidated.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: And here's the thing, too.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: She's with all she she's the only woman.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: She's still wearing her gorgeous clothes.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: She refused to wear a dress.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: Her hair is still cut short.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: She's up against all of these men.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: Where did she get her haircuts?
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: Does she do it herself?
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: She has a sword.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: She has like a small knife.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: She has a moulin, like a moulin version.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: She goes, Okay.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Just wondering.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: Every every about six, six to eight weeks.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: She just kept it so short all the time.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was nice, Bob, kind of like mine.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but she's up against all these men, all these like middle-aged older men.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: She is 19.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: 19 years old at this time.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: She started all of this when she was 17.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: She's now 19.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she was denied any legal counsel.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there was really no evidence at all.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: And her entire like panel of judges were all completely biased.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: They were all they were all English or Burgundians.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like what she had no shot.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what do you think is gonna happen at this point?
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, and all they're doing too is really just ambushing her with questions.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're trying to throw her off and like catch her up in a lie, or like have again something she says just clearly point out that it's the devil speaking to her.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: Weeks of interrogation.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: So finally, and she wasn't even really willing to talk about the voice as much.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: So she finally comes around and says, Okay, there are voices, because for a while she wasn't gonna say anything, she just refused to answer a lot of questions.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: But she finally comes around and says, You know, I I do talk to a voice that is from God and his angels.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, Okay, so who exactly are we talking about?
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: Are they saints?
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is this God Himself?
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: She says, Well, I've been talking to St.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: Margaret and Saint Catherine, and she goes as far as to say that she saw their bodily presence.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like the first time she saw them, she said they were with crowns and richly dressed.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and she didn't know at the time that there was kind of an argument going on in the scholarly church community that they're trying to like they're debating if you see a spirit, what does it look like?
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so there are a lot of people are saying, well, if it's a bodily form, it might be the devil.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: And if it's a erythral form that you can't really identify, it's an angel.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like angels are more spiritual, right?
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: Demons are look like physical beings, like they're in the same room with you.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_01: So they're asking her these questions, just trying to say, okay, and tell us more.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: And what were they wearing and what did they look like?
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: And she's at this point, again, a little more forthcoming.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_00: And she's she doesn't realize that the more details she's giving as they're pulling it out of her, like a thread on a sweater that they just keep pulling.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she's just incriminating herself more because in her mind, she's like, Yeah, I have details of how real they were.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: And the I could have been, it could have been you sitting in the room next to me.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: She doesn't realize the more details she's giving, the more they're like, Okay, this is a demon.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because if it were an angel, it would be more of a spiritual aura, not a physical reality.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: So literally the devil was in the details.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and she didn't realize this as she's giving all this information.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the other thing that they did that I thought was interesting is they kind of ask her these scholarly trick questions that someone as a an illiterate peasant.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: You good?
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, I was sipping my wine.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, sorry.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it's biggle as an illiterate peasant would have no idea like how philosophical this question is.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: But they asked her, Are you in God's grace?
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: And either way, she's screwed.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because if she says, Yes, I'm in God's grace, means okay, I was speaking directly with God, but they're saying that wasn't God, and then she's lying, or she says, No, I'm not in God's grace, in which case she's not a good Christian, and then she's always speaking to the devil.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then she's with the devil.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she actually had a pretty smart response, I feel like.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: She says, I would be the saddest creature in the world if I were not in God's grace.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, ooh, I like that.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of like a big thing.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: She did a good job.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, for not having legal counsel and she's 19 and she's just a villager, like that's a pretty smart way to respond.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: And and the other cool thing, the reason we know all of this is there's a book.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: There's a very documented, it's almost like you could be in the courtroom.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: They have an entire book handwritten.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, they did not have Microsoft Word, but um, an entire account of every transcript of her interrogation, her questioning, the trial, the sentencing.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's very detailed.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: And the script is beautiful, like the actual handwriting, it looks like token font, you know, from Lord of the Rings.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's beautiful.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: Saw it in person.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think question?
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think that one of the reasons that Joan of Arc is so like such a prominent figure, iconic figure, that there's like movies and just everyone's heard of Joan of Arc.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think it's because of all the documentation that they have?
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think she would have been legendary in the way that like maybe William Wallace is legendary, you know what I mean?
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I don't think there would be as much like not I don't want to say pop culture, but yeah, like movies and all these things about like you know, her her how her life ended, if it hadn't been for that.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because there was so and I think the thing is you know more about her through those texts because it has her exact answers.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: So when you read them, you're not like, okay, this isn't some simple girl like answering these questions of these old men.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like she's smart and witty and like has these interest like interesting things.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: In some things like if she didn't want to like answer the question, she'd be like, move on.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they would ask next.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: I forget what they came next.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was um it was something like It was like did i I'm paraphrasing, but it was like, Did you intend to siege this city on the day of the holy feast?
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it was.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, Move on.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: Move on.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm not gonna give you the time of day to answer this lawyer or not, I know what I can answer and what I don't want to answer.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I think she would have been more mythical had it not existed.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like she so she would have still been around, but I think that like brought her to life more because people were able to see how like powerful and willful and just like strong she was through the text, you know.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um so comes the day of her sentencing and they put her up on a stage and this is where it gets sad to me.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: The whole crowd is there.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: They uh sorry, they they pass her off actually into like English hands now.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: The Burgundians, she's now with the English, and um, she's up for her sentencing.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: And all along they kept saying, you know, you can recants.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: You can just confess it and you say that you lied.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll reduce your sentence.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they and of course they have like an ulterior motive, they're like, they want to save her soul from her lies and blah blah blah.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um but so she's getting nervous.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's starting to get nervous because this whole time she is waiting for a miracle, she's waiting for God to save her, she's waiting for you know, her French king to save her, she's waiting for somebody to come to her rescue.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: They've always kind of threatened her too.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like they threatened to torture her and they kind of showed her the tools that they would torture her with.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: And they never actually ended up torturing her, but they did say if found guilty, the the punishment is burning at the stake because you're a heretic.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when it finally got to her.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: Once they told her that her sentence was going to be burning at the stake, she kind of snapped and she did recant, which was like so unlike her, you know, and she just finally was so nervous.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: And you're 19.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: Someone's telling you that you're there lighting matches next to her, so should take about 30 minutes for you to fully burn up.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: I shouldn't laugh.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know, it's terrible.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, but so so in her kind of just sudden panic, which was not like her because she was always, again, calm, confident, like always went in, knowing that she was, you know, higher, like part of a greater purpose.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: This is the first time we've ever seen anything where she's just nervous and and she's a girl and she's okay, well, I I'll sign a confession.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: And she signs this document they just push in front of her, which is again very unlikely.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think she knew what she was actually doing.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think she was a small form of panic, and you know, they took advantage of her in the situation.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um and they also, you know, just really quick to rewind just a second, they like they pressured her so much to the point where they weren't even questioning her outside of her cell.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: They would come to her cell at random times and question her in her cell.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: So it's almost like at any point they would just come and bother you with all these questions.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: So at this point, she's she's chained up, you know, she's being bombarded with questions all the time.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: So it's gotta be so exhausting and like such a tense environment.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: And she finally just broke a little.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: So she goes back to prison and they said, Okay, you're thank you for signing this.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you're not going to burn at the stake, you're gonna live in this prison for the rest of your life, and that's your own.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: She's in prison for all your sins.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so they went back, they put her in a dress, she took off her boyish clothes.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, this is interesting, they like shaved her head because they're like, You can't have this short hair anymore, so they just shaved her head.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, So you look more like a guy.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so after that, she essentially went nuts.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_01: She, you know, was so upset with herself.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if the fact that she's wearing a dress, she cut her hair, she did all the things that she didn't want to do, as in, you know, sign the confession and her can't, and she finally just starts saying, like, also though, so this is May 28th, right, 1431.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: They also think within those couple days, something must have happened.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_00: And the whole reason that she didn't wear a dress was for to protect herself against men, right being in the Middle Ages.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and there were witnesses who like later were like, I'm pretty sure she was assaulted or raped or something in her cell once she put the dress on with her shaved, sad head.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's really sad after that.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: Scary beef or vendetta, which is terrible.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um but but it did make it change her entire like um the the person who was interrogating her through all this, you have his name as like Pierre Cowchan.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: I know I don't have the name written down, but it was something like Cauchan.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: Cauchan Cushon.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um he came back to her a couple days ago, like, hey girl, how you doing in prison?
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, like, she was not her normal self.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like normally she's very direct and intent with her words, and now her words were all tangled and not making sense.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, nothing makes sense.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_01: So like something happened that changed her.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: She became hysterical, you know, and she did finally tell him, she said, you know what?
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, God is angry with me.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I betrayed him.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, I well, the one thing I really liked that she said was that she damned her soul to save her life.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: So she find and she so she goes back to what she was originally saying of like, no, this is true.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: I am having voices and visions, and what I you know, I I I was scared of the fire and I you know I panicked, but God is like, you know, God has told me that I betrayed him now, and like I can't live with myself, like burn me.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like gosh, like this is like the human question.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: Would you rather?
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_00: Here's the would you rather would you rather live a life in prison feeling like you betrayed your faith, and then when you do die, you're going to hell, and you're Jesus Jesus and God is upset with you.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_00: Although they do forgive.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: Are we talking Old Testament words?
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_00: I've got New Testament words.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_00: Or do you face the fires and you go out as a saint?
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know my answer always.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: I know, and you know my answer.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_00: Because we've got Anne Boleyn heritage and Thomas More heritage, so ding ding ding, match on.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um so she she does recant and they called her a relapsed heretic.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's my not my favorite part of this, but just so funny that they literally just are like, oh, she's a relapsed heretic.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's a thing.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: We gotta go through a few weeks of detox, maybe.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: We'll put her back and read it.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: But no, they don't they don't help her, they kill her.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: Not to get to the punchline here.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um her execution date is May 30th, 1431.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_00: Her executioner was Jeffrey Tharaj.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_00: Little bit of background on Jeff here.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_00: Jeffrey was in the position for 25 years.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_00: Very, very um well thought of, um, very experienced.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he did say that there was some difficulty attaching her.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what that means.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if she was struggling.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't really see a lot on like her composure that you said anything.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: There was not a lot of mention of her, yeah, like how she behaved right before.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we do know that they put her on a pretty high like post so everyone can see that they're burning a heretic.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, so you know, brought her to the pyre.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what was his name again, the executionist?
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: Jeff.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: Jeff.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: Jeff Jeffrey Throsh.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: Jeff puts her up on the stake.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, and I mean they they they had a few times where like the the flames were kind of uh too much, so they like sub like they submerged the flames a bit so they could keep showing the body.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_00: They wanted to see her face, exactly which is really sick.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, and then Jeffrey did say that he felt very sympathetic towards her because even though he has executed hundreds of people, he um thought like maybe I am burning like the messenger from God.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then what does that mean for me?
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: He I don't think he felt so great with it.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, but um one thing that he did do is so like they waited until she did perish, was fully into ashes.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um well her at first just her clothes burned off, but she had died, and I'm sure from smoke and oh yeah, you know that honestly, if I was ever burned, I would that's my inhale.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: Inhale you just suck all the air in and you hopefully you pass out of the fumes.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I don't want to experience the actual burning.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_00: This is our first burning that we've talked about.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_00: Unless you want to think about Richard Roos and his boiling water, but no, but this is like the first time in flames.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, and so then he waited until her clothes burned off to show everyone look, she's just a woman.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like she's not your fading.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_00: A, she is a woman because I know she was charged for cross-dressing, but B, like she's she's not an angel.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right, she's not here to save you.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_00: She's just a she can die like everyone else.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then they continued to burn her body.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_00: They they did the burning uh for a total of three times.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: And they wanted to get it her down to ashes, and then they threw the ashes in the river because they didn't want anybody scooping up the ashes as relics, and like because I'm sure there were still supporters in the crowd.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_00: She still had supporters towards the end.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: The king kind of disappeared and didn't say anything about her.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, what happened to Chuck after all?
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: Can't trust him.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck Chuck.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck Chuck, get him out of here.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, she gave you that crown.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so, but you know, I I forget how soon after it was.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_01: 25 years.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was only 25 years after the Hundred Year War, and they finally decide, oh, remember that Joan of Arc trial?
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like, let's look at that again.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: And they bring everything back, and this time they're like, oh shoot.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_01: She actually wasn't a heretic.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_01: Looking at all the evidence again and all the things she said, she was getting these voices from God.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that makes it worse or better.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think I read that it was her mother also who like didn't give up and really and kept bringing it up.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_00: I remember reading that.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe, maybe I'm making it up.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, 25 years later, and now you're innocent.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you've been burned at the stage.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: Burned at the stake, exactly.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, so after that she became again very much like an I an iconic part of history.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like women really looked up to her, soldiers really looked up to her.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um in 1920, she became a Catholic martyr officially.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, obviously a very short life, you know, and very terrible things happened to her at the end, but what a life.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you think about being in the Middle Ages, would you rather live, and this has been one of our questions before, like a short life or you're a legacy and you do all these amazing things, or you know, no one knows who you are, and dies that life in the countryside.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_01: So we all die at some point, might as well die young and very powerful.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: I have one more fun fact.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_00: I get to say fun fact this time.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so there was a prophecy that was told before Gen of Arc was a per, you know, was that all these things.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: Some say it was actually Merlin, like the Merlin who said this.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um but the prophecy was And Merlin was real.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_00: Merlin was real.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_00: He was a pagan I mean, kind of.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't think they called him a wizard, but he was like a pagan um conjurer.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: Propheci prophe, thank you.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_00: Professor.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: Prophesizer.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: He was a prophet, kind of like a sorcerer.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe that um but he said France will be lost by a woman, but saved by a virgin from the borders of Lorraine.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_00: And that's basically her.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if I'm gonna trust anyone's opinion, it's Merlin.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, for sure.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_00: Or Dumbledore, one of the two.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: Or again.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: Any wizard, really.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe a wizard with a long beard.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I believe him.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_01: Pointy hat.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I have a quick segment for you though, real quick.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you do?
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_01: I do, yeah.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, our escape route.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember our escape plan?
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the one that we did last season, and we were talking about if you were in the situation, how would you escape?
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I'll be.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_01: Mussolini.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about how you would escape at the end.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_01: So how would you escape if you're in her situation?
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because she obviously did anything she could to escape.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: Jumped out of a station out of a 70-foot tower, which we will find a comparable height for that, so you know and can see it in your mind.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think for me, I'll let you think about yours.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: I know mine.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, okay.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think for me, because I am Joan of Arc and I have this cute boy haircut and cute boy clothes, I would fool everybody and I would go in woman's clothes in disguise.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_01: Because no one would know.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: The cross dresser's double crossing.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, double crossing cross dresser.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I would sneak out and I would be like uh, you know, like the simple little peasant woman just going through and like cleaning the cell and like sneak out because no one would would have any idea.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_01: They'd come to the cell and be like, where's Joan?
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I don't know, I'm just here cleaning the cell.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then Because they have maids in the cells.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, gotta I don't know.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: There's at some point some woman that probably goes to the.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be in a weird little disguise, I'd disguise my voice, and I'm like, oh Joan, I think she's a good one.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: Or better um, like Toad, like the you know.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I was gonna say that's how Mr.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_01: Toad is.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: Mr.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: Toad's wild.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_01: If you've ever read The Wind in the Willows, yeah, or seen the movie, that's how he gets out of prison is he dresses like a woman, and that's what he does.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's like a little cleaning woman.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I would do.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_01: What would you do?
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: Same thing you always do.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_00: Play dead.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: When in doubt you said last time.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: When in doubt, play dead.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think I would just pretend like I died in my sleep.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Count of Monte Cristo, and they take you in a bag, and then when you they're you're outside in the bag, you grab the keys and then kill 'em.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_00: Run.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then just run.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_01: Always good plan.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, before we end tonight, we have something exciting.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: We do.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_00: We do.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_00: Remember we talked about this.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm surprised.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm in on the surprise.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_00: So we are now season two, episode four.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_00: We've had quite a few people that we've talked about.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_00: We've had what, 13, 14, 15?
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_01: We've had 17 year as Joan of Arc when she took Orleans.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_00: Her age.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_00: Her age.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_01: I said that in a weird way.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: That was a stretch.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, we have 17 executiones that we've talked about so far on Beheaded.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_00: Challenge for you.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_00: All of our listeners, regardless of where you are, first person to accurately send us a message on Instagram at beheaded.podcast.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_00: Send us the list of all of our executiones, not just in the order of when we've uh when we've talked about them.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's way too easy.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_00: You have to list them in sequ sequential order of execution dates.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_00: Of execution dates.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_00: Of their timeline.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, I like that.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_00: First person who can private message that to us gets a prize.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_00: Gets a prize.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_00: Happy holidays.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we'll reveal next time.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_00: Don't forget to like us.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like us in like reality, but also like physically like us like our like our things.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like our things that we do.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_00: Follow us.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we need some more reviews on iTunes and review us on iTunes, follow us, like us, message us, and direct message us.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_00: Our list of executiones weren't for a lot, I know, but it's a great prize.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm excited about the prize.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_00: So that's your challenge for what we're leaving you off with.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna have a great show in a couple weeks.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, Elizabeth, any final words?
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, yeah, today I have one quote from Joan of Arc, which I want to leave you with.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_00: I was not expecting this.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let me start over.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_00: Elizabeth, any final words?
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_01: I am not afraid, I was born to do this.