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Principles of Overlanding: Truck Camper vs. Trailer vs. Expedition Vehicle vs. Van · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overlain Journal podcast. I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host Matt Scott, with my good buddies Scott Brady co
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  Speaker 1: host and Brian dors here. There's actually not two people
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  Speaker 1: that I talked to more in the world than these two,
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  Speaker 1: so this should be a good one. Today we are
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  Speaker 1: talking about choosing your I guess home on wheels for overlanding,
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  Speaker 1: so we're going to be talking about truck campers, expedition vehicles, vans, trailers,
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  Speaker 1: basically everything that you can live inside. We have Brian
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  Speaker 1: here with us who's kind of done all of these
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  Speaker 1: different things, and we're really excited to have you here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for being on the podcast. Brian. I've known
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  Speaker 3: you a long time and I remember you know, you
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  Speaker 3: started off with a van, you moved on to a
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  Speaker 3: custom camper that you helped design and bring to market.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you've had vehicles that you built out with
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  Speaker 3: roof tents. You've kind of done the whole spectrum.
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  Speaker 2: So never a roof to nedof tent. A BNTH in Mexico,
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  Speaker 2: but it wasn't mine and I've never had one on
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  Speaker 2: any of my vehicle. Just want to keep that record sto.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's good to.
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  Speaker 1: Know Brian Dort doesn't like roof tents.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't deny it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe we start off with kind of the truck camper.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's the more common, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's also a little underrated. Like I
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  Speaker 1: think the van thing has kind of taken everybody by storm,
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  Speaker 1: so to speak. But the truck campers are really like
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  Speaker 1: they're really convenient. Like you still get like a vehicle
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  Speaker 1: that you can use on a day to day basis,
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  Speaker 1: runn into town, you know, move your friend's couch, and
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  Speaker 1: then you put the camper in the back. Like you've
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  Speaker 1: got the Scout. Which scout do you have?
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  Speaker 3: It's the Yoho pop up and I've I had a
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  Speaker 3: full size Scout as well.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, in your GMC.
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  Speaker 3: On the GMC, I like have a pickup like for
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  Speaker 3: North America travel. I prefer a pickup because I use
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  Speaker 3: a pickup every day here in Prescott, and the truck
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  Speaker 3: camper allows me to take it off in about fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 3: It's really easy to take on and off if I've
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  Speaker 3: got someone helping me out. So that's what I like
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  Speaker 3: about it is the fact that, especially if you start
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  Speaker 3: off with a full size one ton or three quarter
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  Speaker 3: ton truck, you got plenty of payload. Yeah, you can
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  Speaker 3: get a lot more capability than you can get out
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  Speaker 3: of a sprinter van for example. So you can have
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  Speaker 3: a much more capable platform. And then it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a jack of all trades. I can take the camper
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  Speaker 3: off the back and haul my motorcycle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And also just talking about the base vehicle, like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that there is a vehicle for sale in
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  Speaker 1: North America that is more refined than the pickup truck. Like,
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  Speaker 1: this is the land of the pickup truck. Like, it
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  Speaker 1: is the most competitive segment for the Big Three. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is the money maker for the Big Three. It
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  Speaker 1: is the thing that they have the most you know,
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  Speaker 1: and n and reasoning to put the engineering behind. They're
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  Speaker 1: generally very reliable. They have to be. I mean, people
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  Speaker 1: rely on these things. You know, a lot of businesses
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  Speaker 1: do work, right, I mean, yeah, there's like the nice
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  Speaker 1: version of these things, the lariats, the king ranches, all
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  Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff. But you know, America is
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  Speaker 1: built off the back of a pickup truck. And I
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  Speaker 1: think man for North America like it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: really underrated thing. Like I've been looking at these four
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  Speaker 1: wheel campers has been a thing I always like to
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  Speaker 1: stress how much more affordable a lot of these options
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  Speaker 1: can be when you look used and four wheel campers now,
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  Speaker 1: like a fifteen thousand dollars budget for a four wheel camper,
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  Speaker 1: like you can healthily get you know it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be ten years old. But you know, you don't ever
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  Speaker 1: want to buy anything that was advertised by somebody with
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  Speaker 1: I lived on the road with this, because there's like
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  Speaker 1: eight million ones that Saturday the garage somewhere. Sure it
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  Speaker 1: never got used yet by one of those, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But by the time you buy the tent that Brian hates,
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  Speaker 1: the roof rack that you have to put on top
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  Speaker 1: of it, the fridge, everything to build out your setup,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of that just comes in a in a
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  Speaker 1: four wheel camper. You use it, you do whatever you want,
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  Speaker 1: and you sell it and I don't know, you probably
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  Speaker 1: aren't going to lose much money on it.
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  Speaker 2: Slide and truck campers have been around for a long
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  Speaker 2: time and they create a massive amount of advantages. The
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  Speaker 2: big one being you can have a truck and you
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  Speaker 2: can have a expedition vehicle really quick, and you can
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  Speaker 2: switch it, like you're saying, fifteen minutes, just swap it out.
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  Speaker 2: It allows you to both. I think we were talking
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  Speaker 2: about a van. A van is a little less so
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  Speaker 2: when they're built out, it's kind of a van you
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  Speaker 2: live in, right. Some of them are more configurable than others.
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  Speaker 2: But with the truck camper, you have that base truck.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the trucks in the US market are kind
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  Speaker 2: of meant for industrial or doing work, and then they're
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  Speaker 2: tarted up to make it for the consumer with all
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  Speaker 2: the fancy electronics and big screens and all the things.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the stuff that goes wrong with them. The
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  Speaker 2: drive trains and the rest of the trucks generally hold
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  Speaker 2: up really well all the way across the board.
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  Speaker 3: Do you how do I say this?
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  Speaker 1: I completely lost my train.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, what did you put in your liquid death?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't put anything in my life death.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we don't want to go down the
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  Speaker 2: rabbit hole here as a witch truck to buy it,
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  Speaker 2: because I've owned one of at least each. I know
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  Speaker 2: both of you have had a variety of pickup trucks
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  Speaker 2: as well, and they all have their pros and cons totally.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is an area we agree on. Like, I
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  Speaker 1: really like the RAM stuff. They have ample payload. I
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  Speaker 1: think they're probably the best performers off road. Solid axles
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  Speaker 1: front and rear, coil sprung front rear, availability of leaves,
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  Speaker 1: Like you have a thirty five hundred, Yeah, I have
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  Speaker 1: a twenty five hundred, but you have a quarter master.
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  Speaker 3: The new power wagon diesel too. I mean it's like
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  Speaker 3: dual lockers on a full sized truck.
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  Speaker 1: And if you want to go international with these things,
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  Speaker 1: they have now fantastic you know, petrol gas versions they
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  Speaker 1: do of the vehicle and they're cheaper and they often
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  Speaker 1: have more payload as well because the engines are con
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  Speaker 1: literably lighter the diesels in these big trucks. You know,
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  Speaker 1: with the SCR and DPF systems, they do get a
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  Speaker 1: little uh touchy in certain environments.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: If you're just in Europe and you're running on you know,
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  Speaker 1: European ultra low self or diesel, you find but you know,
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  Speaker 1: Bolivian diesel is not going to agree with your DPF.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you definitely have to have the vehicle for
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  Speaker 2: the environment that you're going to go do. There's in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion, there's very few vehicles that are really true
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  Speaker 2: worldwide overland vehicles. Like we were talking about, we both
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  Speaker 2: have diesel rams here in the US. It's perfectly fine.
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  Speaker 2: It's North America in general, like that truck will just
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  Speaker 2: do the job. Sure Mexico these days, like.
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  Speaker 3: It's really totally big deal, totally.
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  Speaker 2: It does everything I needed to do for the adventures
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  Speaker 2: I have planned here in North America.
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  Speaker 3: So this was interesting. There was that trip that just
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  Speaker 3: went down West Africa where they tried to beat the
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  Speaker 3: beat the record of of doing the West coast of Africa,
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  Speaker 3: and they they have Ultralo Soul for diesel grenadiers and
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  Speaker 3: all they needed was one thousand kilometers of range, and
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  Speaker 3: they made it all the way down going from big
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  Speaker 3: city to big city. Because you figure in the cities
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  Speaker 3: all the bureaucrats they want the new Beamers and they
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  Speaker 3: want the new Mercedes or whatever that's got the ultra
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  Speaker 3: Lo soul for diesel. So if you're remote, even in
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  Speaker 3: West Africa, you have a problem. But as soon as
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  Speaker 3: you can get into a bigger city, you can get
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  Speaker 3: ultra Lo sol for diesel, so it's less of an
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  Speaker 3: issue like Sudan still a problem. Bolivia is still a problem,
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  Speaker 3: but it's becoming less and less common.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's important to focus on this,
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  Speaker 1: I guess at the start of the podcast because all
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  Speaker 1: of the subsequent vehicles that we're talking about, this does
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  Speaker 1: apply to we're going to kind of transition to expedition
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  Speaker 1: vehicles and vans and well, what are you towing a
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  Speaker 1: trailer with? Most likely a truck, you know, for people
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  Speaker 1: that are listening in, you know, in North America even overseas,
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  Speaker 1: I think you have a high luxorthing that you want
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  Speaker 1: to te with. But I mean, what's your what's your
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  Speaker 1: favorite truck camper that's on the market right now.
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  Speaker 2: Bryan favorite truck camper?
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  Speaker 1: So like slide in or slide in slide or flatbed?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that's tough. I mean flatbeds opens it up
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. The Ata Terra's really rad for they
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  Speaker 2: have both, but the flatbed specifically with the amount of
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  Speaker 2: volume that has a layout. I really like. The Scout
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  Speaker 2: stuff is really good. I mean it's built well, it's
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  Speaker 2: a good price point. I think they're really configurable, I think,
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  Speaker 2: which is a great point of those Man, did you
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  Speaker 2: look to those super tramps. That's I was just going
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  Speaker 2: to say a super tramp. So I have experienced one
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  Speaker 2: of those for a long weekend. Amazing campers, Like they're
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  Speaker 2: really well built.
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  Speaker 3: And huge inside. I was shocked by the space, the
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  Speaker 3: space efficiency of it. They did a good job of
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  Speaker 3: like not adding too much junk inside that made it
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  Speaker 3: feel small.
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  Speaker 2: And the material choices and everything in those are really
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  Speaker 2: really good. Some of the cabinets are metal, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if I love that choice in some ways,
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  Speaker 2: they're like a little loud on them, on them, and
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  Speaker 2: the touch, like the feel of it wasn't as good
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  Speaker 2: as maybe composites or some other thing or would on
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  Speaker 2: the inside. But everything else about that camper I really liked.
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  Speaker 3: And then there's a Canadian one with that Overland Explorer vehicles.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those seem to be like just I'm not gonna,
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  Speaker 1: you know, poop poo a four wheel camper, but they
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  Speaker 1: seem to be like a better four wheel camper. They're
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  Speaker 1: considerably more expensive than camp They're very expensive. They're very
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  Speaker 1: well insulated.
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  Speaker 2: Four season is better on those than a lot of others.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think if you were if you were
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  Speaker 1: going to be doing some cold weather travel those and
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  Speaker 1: like the super tramp look really fascinating to me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for that real serious international stuff, that
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  Speaker 3: seems to be one of the better. Right, That's what
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  Speaker 3: Richard and Nashley have And they've had trip right now
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  Speaker 3: and I've I've grilled them on it because we need
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  Speaker 3: to know, like we need to be able to express
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  Speaker 3: like how are they And they're like, We've had no
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  Speaker 3: troubles with this thing.
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  Speaker 1: I've been talking to my wife Laura about a truck
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  Speaker 1: camper for a future trip maybe the stands and I
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  Speaker 1: think the biggest thing she has against and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to say myself, is they're just not sexy, like like
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  Speaker 1: I mean, not that it necessarily matters, right, of course it.
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  Speaker 2: Does, but it does like you look back at your
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  Speaker 2: vehicle and go, oh, that's what's mine. That's cool.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like when I look back at like a
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  Speaker 1: you know what I should buy is I should just
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  Speaker 1: get a four wheel camper and throw it on the
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  Speaker 1: back and go because you know, you land back in
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  Speaker 1: the US and you could sell it within twenty four
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  Speaker 1: hours in whatever port city you land. It is right
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  Speaker 1: if you didn't want to keep it like they're very
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say disposable as in the transactional transactional, right,
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  Speaker 1: I just just just move on with it. But the
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  Speaker 1: super Tramp is the only one that I've seen where
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that looks good. They do some color matching,
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  Speaker 1: they have some interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Colors, automotive quality finishes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're built really well to have been in that
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  Speaker 2: factory as well, and they're really interesting the way they
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  Speaker 2: do it, and they seem to be really on it
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  Speaker 2: right and doing process improvement all the time and that
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing, and not all manufacturers are doing that. Obviously.
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  Speaker 3: They're a neat small family run business and they really care.
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  Speaker 1: As a as a company, I do want to shout
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  Speaker 1: out Super Tramp like they are. You know, they just
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  Speaker 1: came out with an ex vision vehicle that's like on
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  Speaker 1: an F three fifty, which I think is it's what
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  Speaker 1: everybody's been asking for, but just I think margins and
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  Speaker 1: price point, no one's really been able to deliver.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I wish these guys the best, Like they're doing some
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  Speaker 1: really really cool stuff and I think I think more
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  Speaker 1: people should pay attention an interesting go on.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, I think going back to your sexy comment
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  Speaker 2: about making it look sexy. I think there's kind of
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  Speaker 2: two ways to do that with a truck camper. One
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  Speaker 2: is to the way not to do it is add
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  Speaker 2: every accessory known demand, hanging off the sides and everywhere else.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's way it's too easy to do right.
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  Speaker 2: But also matching the camper with the truck not necessarily color.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's cool, but a lot of campers just
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  Speaker 2: don't look right on certain trucks, Like they have to
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  Speaker 2: fit right on the truck, be the right height above
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  Speaker 2: the bed rails as well as the right height over
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  Speaker 2: the cab. So it's still all functions and you're not
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  Speaker 2: getting rubbing, but it looks right. Some of them you're
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  Speaker 2: like that camper doesn't belong with that truck.
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  Speaker 1: And like prospectors get really weird. Like there's certain flatbeds,
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  Speaker 1: like I mean, i'll just say it, like the Pea
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  Speaker 1: Core flatbed. When you put a four wheel camper on
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  Speaker 1: the back, there's like three feet it's exaggerating, but it's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's funny. You know, there's a lot that you
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  Speaker 1: can do with that space. But I do get your point.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that would be a great setup, right, it
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  Speaker 1: like go down the road like a you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, bad a good equipment. But that's the other angle
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  Speaker 2: that I say to make it sexy is do the flatbed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: not all flatbeds are created equal, obviously, but do it
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  Speaker 2: a proper flatbed that gets your center gravity low and
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  Speaker 2: gets that fit properly on whatever platform you're doing. So
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  Speaker 2: the cab over.
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  Speaker 1: There's definitely flatbeds meant for campers, and there's flatbeds meant
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  Speaker 1: to be sure flatbeds they're optimized for angle. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: a good departure and things like that. It's really easy
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  Speaker 1: to get over payload with those flatbeds because they.
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  Speaker 3: Give you a lot more storage. So people tend to
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  Speaker 3: just like you know, fill up the available space. I
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  Speaker 3: would say, like from my perspective, since I am a
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  Speaker 3: truck camper owner, Like for me, I just like the
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  Speaker 3: fact that it's I can reconfigure the vehicle very quickly.
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  Speaker 3: The cost of entry is fairly low, Like even a
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  Speaker 3: really nice keen eye Scout is about thirty eight thousand bucks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So whereas you can get super tramps get up into
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  Speaker 3: the fifties and sixties, four whel campers, you can find
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  Speaker 3: used in the ten to fifteen range. You know, four
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  Speaker 3: wal campers also need to be you know, part of
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  Speaker 3: the discussion because they've been doing it a very long time.
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  Speaker 3: They're a great price point made in the United States.
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  Speaker 3: They just have only recently been really updating stuff. So
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  Speaker 3: like they have their new camp out which has more
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  Speaker 3: of a smooth sided finish, so it looks a little
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  Speaker 3: more modern. It's a lot more configurable on the inside.
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  Speaker 3: But they've got a bunch of different options so you
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  Speaker 3: can even get them just as a shell, which you know,
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  Speaker 3: I've always thought was cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it is worth noting kind of the
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  Speaker 1: wedge camper thing, but we're not we're not really talking
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  Speaker 1: about that. I think the wedge camper is a great
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  Speaker 1: roof tent alternative. My problem with them having built one
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  Speaker 1: is you end up spending truck camper money to arguably
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  Speaker 1: have less. Like maybe there's a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: weight savings, but sure there's a weight, but then you
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  Speaker 1: know you're doing you still do the battery systems, and
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  Speaker 1: you're still trying to find a way to mount all
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  Speaker 1: of this stuff, and then you can't take it out.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you can, you can easily spend you know,
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  Speaker 1: seven to fifteen thousand dollars in the wedge camper and
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  Speaker 1: you don't have anything inside of your truck yet.
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  Speaker 2: I think you can easily make a wedge camper into
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  Speaker 2: a truck camper essentially and spend similar But I think
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  Speaker 2: a wedge camper that benefit is you can do it
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  Speaker 2: the other way and do a backpacker setup essentially inside
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  Speaker 2: at whatever comfort level you want and really configure it
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  Speaker 2: and keep it light and nimble and smaller footprint and
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  Speaker 2: shorter height and all those things that allow it to
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  Speaker 2: be a more trail ready vehicle. Yeah, they really loaded
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  Speaker 2: down truck camper, like start getting in a situation, especially
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  Speaker 2: in the East Coast, to really fit down trails.
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  Speaker 1: It gets definitely.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't don't make things something that they're not. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: if it's a wedge camper, keep it as a wedge camper,
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  Speaker 3: don't there simple don't try to make it into a
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  Speaker 3: truck camper. If you want a truck camper, buy a
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  Speaker 3: truck camper.
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  Speaker 2: I'd argue, though, there's again it's it's use case. So
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  Speaker 2: if you want a small, nimble vehicle that's super capable
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  Speaker 2: off road, and that's your goal is to go to
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  Speaker 2: those really hard places, and say you're solo traveling or
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: a couple, a wedge camper with a proper low center gravity, batteries, water,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: all the things in the bed at the same price
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: point is maybe a better option than a truck camper,
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: as long as you, as a couple or your traveling
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: partners are okay with losing some of the luxuries you
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: might get in a truck camp or the space to
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: stretch out, the nicer toilet that's separate from the sleeping
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: area of that kind of thing.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, to transition a little bit into our
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: next thing. Those in duro campers where they actually replace
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: like the whole bed there is no flatbed. Those are
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: really interesting. They're I think they're about they're a little
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: over one hundred grand, but I see those on like
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: you know, ram chassis and those look super cool.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: That's interesting though, because if it's one hundred grand and
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: you're forty grand into a used truck, like lightly used truck,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: fifty grand into a.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Light set definitely like a van alternative. Yeah, that's interesting.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: You know, they're they're nicely finished inside, their they're pop tops.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: They just like aesthetically they kind of match the vehicle.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I think that those are those are definitely worth, you know,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: a look, like if you're not quite if you want
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: a little bit more than a truck camp, but you're
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: not quite in like the expedition vehicle, you know, segment,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: because they just the price just skyrockets from there, right,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I mean the next thing's where we talk about they go,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: you know, a million dollars is not like an unusual
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: figure to hear for some of them. Those are definitely
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: worth a look, and people travel in them, Like I
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: see there's a couple couples that I follow and and
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: they're beating the crap out of those things, and they.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Do you guys, think it's worth any of these options
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: if it doesn't have some of those luxuries, Like in
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: my mind, like why spend so much money and have
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: so much weight? If it doesn't have a shower, if
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: it doesn't have a toilet, if it doesn't have like
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: I'd be curious what you guys think, Like I think
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: I've seen some very expensive, very complex builds. Yeah, and
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: they still got to go poop in the woods, Like
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: does it make sense to you guys to have.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of influencers prioritize like these big
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: dumb electrical systems that are insanely applicated over everything because
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: they get free stuff from companies and you don't need it.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Like like the twelve hundred amp hours of battery in
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the back of a wedge camper is useless if you're
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: in a you know, at a Guatemalan truck stop and
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: your wife still has to use that toilet. Yeah, I
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: think you do have to prioritize some of the liveability,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: because I think that's really what you're getting, like you're saying.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Mike, Yeah, I wouldn't even like, even in my that
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: tiny little scout, I have a way to take a shower,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: and I have a composting toilet in there, Like I
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: have a way to air condition it, I have a
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: way to heat it.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if showers are like as essential because
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: then you have to have like a lot of water,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you know, you can kind of clean your pits and
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: your bits. Yeah, in the privacy of the space, I
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: think essential.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: So someone that lived in a truck camper and built
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: a custom truck camper for exhibition truck like thing truck camper.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: For a long time, I didn't have a shower. I
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: had outside shower yet, and I didn't have huge volume
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: of water capacity. I think I had thirty gallons or something,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: it wasn't which is enough to live on. But again,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: it just depends on where, like who you're traveling with,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: and what your threshold is for luxury, what what you need,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Like I definitely even today, like a hot shower that
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: you can just stand under for a long period of
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: time is a huge luxury, Like that's so amazing. That
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and Wi Fi were the two things I always said
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: when I lived on the road full time that like
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: are the ultimate luxuries. They just always so. Now now
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, we all have Startlink. It just is
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: what it is. It's the only player in that space
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: right now. But yeah, I mean I spent a lot
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: of money on that build and it had a cartridge
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: toilet and yeah, it just I made a space for
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: that and planned that into the build. I think it's
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: really key to have a toilet in the in the
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: ring like it, like, especially if you're going full time
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: and we're sampling lots of food from all over the world,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: like you're gonna get sick, You're.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Gonna get and you're gonna be so glad you have it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: And also we have a responsibility as travelers if we
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: can reduce our impact, if we can, if there can
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: be one less cat hole that we dig outside of Moab.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I think that that's because there's a.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Lot of people that go through these places, Like you know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: New Zealand has the self contained certification for camper vans,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Like in a lot of places they have to have
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: this self contained certification because you just think the volume
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days a year, somebody's camping
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: in that spot. Now normally maybe you can't tell that.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: And that's good because it's been it's been you know,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: good land stewardship. But I think there's a people need
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to probably start packing out to Pooh Yeah for sure.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's super simple now they got great Like
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: I use this little Trellino toilet that's like it's super
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: tiny and it fits in the scout. And then there's
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: a wonderful is the name of the company that makes
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: the shower. It's a it's like a little foldable shower
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: pan and a curtain that hangs from the roof. Yeah,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: and I have a name O shower that I put
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: some hot water in and it's like it's a surprising
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: luxury to Like.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Rin Oostike from Okay four Wheel Drive loves those wrap
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: on toilets, swears by them. He has one in his
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: new Grenadier pop top build. They're really nice. Those look
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: really cool. They're really nice there because you can just
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: throw it in the garbage.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they're very expensive. They seal each use in
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: a single seal package, which is great because you have
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: no smells at all, which is amazing. But each like
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: it's special plastic and you got to pay for that,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: so you're buying it's a lot upfront and it's a
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: lot each use. Is the only problem with those. Otherwise
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: they are awesome, really good. The other thing I do
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: the similar is I always have a couple of wag
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: bags around, Like I've done self support in the Grand
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Canyon and stuff like that, and you literally have to
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: pack out your poop. So having a wag bag in
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the glove box of the truck and in the back
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: door card of like in the cup holder on every
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: vehicle I've ever ye smart. I just have it because
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: you can always pack it out no matter how what
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: your acts is to a toilet, like am My Lexus
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: g X four sixty kind of overlandy rig. I could
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: sleep inside, but no toilet in it. But I had
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: those wag bags always handy, so you don't have to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: dig a cattle, especially if you're sick or whatever. You
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: always have an option.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think like moving into the exhibition vehicle stuff,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: that's where those vehicles start to be a little bit
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: more fully featured. Oh yeah, you know, I mean, if
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: you don't have a bathroom, shower, sink, pretty considerable water storage,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: you know, you're you're you're really starting to blend like
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: some of the moveability and a portability and maneuverability of
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: a truck camper with the benefits of like an RV.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Right they sit somewhere in the middle, you know, usually
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: higher quality than an RV. Usually usually that's that segment's
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: really expanding right now. I mean, as we sit here,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: like a couple of days ago, win a bag, ye,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna poop poo that acra arca r
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: rka aar ka. It looks interesting.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: It's like you saw a lot of vans do.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: And the thing with the revel is, you know, kind
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: of the van hipsters. Oh, at first, Oh, we don't.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: We don't like it. We don't like it. But every
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: generation they just improved that vehicle. So it's interesting to see.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: You know, I think Winnebago really is seems to balance
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the needs of everyone quite well.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I mean there's always going to be the earth roamers,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the truckhouses, the Bliss mobiles, that kind of stuff. But
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: you know those they have these doors that open at
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the back, so throwing mountain bikes or whatever in the back,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: even if you're just storing the vehicle or parking.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Being smart about a few of the innovative features on
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: a new arcat for sure, the rear huge like kind
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: of ambulance doors or wherever they come off the back.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: And then the dynet is huge and you can really
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: adjust that space. You can take out basically the whole
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: rear dnet area and that can be storage for motorcycles
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: by all that. Yeah, so that's pretty cool. I have
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: a couple of the things I'm not so yeah.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Like we were talking about that the bathroom is like
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: midship but it you know, it's kind of like the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: earth cruisers were were Earth Cruiser when you walked in
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: the door, your entrance way was the shower, pants, and toilet,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: which I think, Yeah, that's interesting.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Clever use of space that has to be there regardless
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: of mudroom, right right.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've put it in the entrance to the bed
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and there's like a curtain that you slide to keep
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: your that's supposed to keep your sheets and everything from
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: getting wet. And then there's another curtain on the other
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: side and the toilet and.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: It's sort of transparent comes to the back, which is
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: kind of hot.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's still a lot of money, you know when
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you think of a revel which is going to effectively
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: about half the price of this thing that has an
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: enclosed toilet space, which I have to say, like like
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I kind of want that, Like I think that I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: hope they do well it, but I would just never
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: consider pull out toilet. I mean I saw when they
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: in their video as they like pushed it back in.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: It's like wobbling on the on like the slider rails rails,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, man, like like there's.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll give it to him. That was that's probably
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: a prototype and that's early. We haven't seen touch the
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: thing yet. We'll touch it over the next post.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but isn't that that's the argument for the expedition camper.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: I think I think there's two things that people look at.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: They can buy an industrial chassis, so they some people
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: view that as a as a benefit, and then the
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: other the other benefit is that you're getting closer to
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: r V level comfort, which is going to be a
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: full uh dry or hopefully dry bath, sometimes a wet bath.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: But that's really what people seem to be buying when
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: they get an expedition camper. Is that level of comfort.
• 25:58
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• 27:35
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• 27:37
  Speaker 3: A lot of people buy very expensive expedition vehicles because
• 27:40
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• 27:43
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• 27:48
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• 27:51
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• 27:52
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• 27:56
  Speaker 3: I've met one. I've met a lot of Earthroamer owners
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: that love travel in their truck and they could care less,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: but they do want to have the comfort. They want
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: to be able to live in this thing full time. Yeah,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: but that's the advantage.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the way you're talking about the truck
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: camper of like there's kind of some basics you need
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: to have in the truck camper. I do think when
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: you're spending that kind of money, there are just some
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: creature comforts and like solidity to those creature comforts that
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: you expect. Like I personally just want I want an
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: actual shower room. Yeah, you know, I want some decent storage,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: some drawers, that kind of thing, because you really can
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: live out of these things comfortably long time, Like that
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: is the goal. You know, the you drive the PanAm,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: you drive around the world, you drive across Africa, whatever
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: whatever the dream is, or maybe you're just driving to
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Alaska or doing weekend trips. I mean, that's what we
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: do weekend trips. Now it's fine, you know, not everything
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: is an expedition, but to be remote with the comforts,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: like Barry Andrews used to say, and I said remote.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't say comfortable, he said, I said remote, not primitive.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: But I mean, you know what, what's your What are
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the big players? I guess I mean you have Earth
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Romer that arguably not the OG, the OG in the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: space like they're still around.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: They still make some of the larger, more luxurious ones
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: of the class. There's adv Mobile who does kind of
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: custom to the client, usually on F five fifties, RAM
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: fifty five hundreds, some industrial chassis. They're really cool, like.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: They're Michigan last they're Michigan based. Yeah, I've looked at them.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: They're they're a little industrial.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very euro style for sure. It's kind of
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: the you take the composite box and then you make
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it your own, make it what you want. You can
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: do the cab over not or popped up or not.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Most of them are heardsided.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I believe that they.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: We obviously have kind of the new newer player on
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the block, which is a truckhouse and they're killing it
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: right now. I just went through their factory and the
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: av platform is amazing under it, and then they're just
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: doing it right. They're building it to another level of
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: engineering that we haven't really seen in this space in
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: North America at least, I know euro Camper and Bliss
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: are trying to think. There's a couple of big ones
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: in Europe that are really high end. But truck House
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: is doing it right. Like that's they're super cool and
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: they're not crazy expensive. They're not cheap, but they're not
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: crazy expensive. No, Like I think you could get like
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the nicest thing they sell for under six hundred.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of money, don't get me wrong. Like
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: it's a lot of my budget at the moment, but
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: that's an amazing value for the quality of the problem.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I would agree. Ross Monster does a cool pop top.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Baja is the one that I kind of
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: have my eye on right now. It's a hard sided camper,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: but it's a hard sided pop top. Right, it's the Excel, right,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the ba XL. Yeah, well there's the Excel and there's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: like the Trail. I actually like the Trail because I'm
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: telling you, these these big MPT tires just suck. They're
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: they just add a lot of driver fatigue and and
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: you know, they're in, they're in. They're in necessity for
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: the weight of a lot of these vehicles. We've you know,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: we've we've talked about this on the podcast before. But yeah,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: those things are like interesting, they're they're in like the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: mid three fifties.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I think they're cool.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are going to start
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: going from vans and looking at those.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: And Ross Monster sells quite a few units. Yeah. The
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Adrenalines another small, like more boutique made in Utah. I've
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: driven those trucks. Those are really and you know, the
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: good family that runs.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: It guys, Yeah, they really.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: They really care about making the.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Only guy that has worse vehicle a d D than me.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: The honor of Adrenaline Camper total. They're really nice though,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: the supernestly Yeah, and they're and they're very they're kind
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: of that more industrial where they're they're not going to
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: be fragile.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Like you can bring them a chassis and they can
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: build you something. And you know, they have an F
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: five fifty, they have a RAM based one. They'll put
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: them on a unimogue kind of similar to like the
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: adv Mobile.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got to bring it back to to
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: super Tram, right. I mean they got the Megatron now,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: which is yeah, rad rig well sorted similar price point.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of options, which in my mind,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: I think you have to come back to something that's serialized.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I think that you want to avoid. We've all all
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: three of us have built some custom stuff and we've
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: all paid the price. It's just like it seems like
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: a great idea.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: What would Scotty get of those of if you could
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: have any expedition veiew. I'm going to ask everybody this question.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I think before you before you answer that, you got
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: to look at the expedition truck camper. Expedition camper is
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: such a wide range, so we kind of got to
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: categorize that a little bit. Is you kind of have
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: one ton trucks, right, you have the medium duty trucks,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: so FI fifty's ramp five hundred, stuff like that chassis,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: and then you go up to bigger stuff like the
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Globe ex Fission Vehicle EPIC.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Which is on it Storyteller things.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Storyteller owns GXB now, so they built that
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: it's huge and awesome, Like it's actually way easier to
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: drive than it looks like. I got to enjoy it
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: off road. But it's a month. It's a lot of truck.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is huge, Like.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: It's a totally different which I.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Think, really it really is blowing up. I mean to
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: answer your question, like, just because it's important for us
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: to be candid with our audience, I don't think I
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: want any of them. M Like, I'll take that eleven fifty.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: You know it's going the other way.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I just I just I think that a lot of
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: times what ends up happening is, you know, I built
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: the vehicle that was really ideal for me. So the
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Quartermaster is a pickup truck I can drive every day.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: It's not too big. I kind of it's super funky,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: which I'm weird, So like, I just there's I like
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: the payload of it. I like the fact that it's
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: solid axles. I like the fact that it looks square
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: and boxy and quart it's such a scotty vehicle. And
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: then the scout is simple. The scout is a pop
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: up so I can still put it in a container.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: I want that truck to be able to go anywhere
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: in the world tomorrow if I want to stick it
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: in a container. So, but you know, the the pick
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: the expedition camper thing is absolutely fascinating to me. I
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: love it.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: There're becoming a little RV adjacent.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I just don't. I just don't. I don't see a
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: need for me. For me, it would be very difficult,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: says the guy who actually travels. Yeah, it would be
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: very difficult for me to want to travel in something
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: big like that.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I have noticed in planning trips having
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: one of these vehicles, you really have to consider where
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you're going. I mean, you're you're precluded from a lot
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: of small towns, You're precluded from anything. You know, your
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: risk profileness just skyrockets quite quickly.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, we took one all the way down to
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Panama years ago, an earth rom or a big one.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I was driving the smaller thrumber, but we had a
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: bigger earth Rummer with us, and we had to have
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: these lengths of PVC pipe to lift the power lines.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: The power lines up and over it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: It changes travel too much for my taste. But I
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: can see why people. But I can see why people.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: I can see why people love them though, because they're
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: also super comfortable. Yeah, And I think if you look
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: at a guy like Sinway Xavier those that are listening,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: he's been on the podcast a bunch of times. This
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: guy is very minimalist, and he loves that truckhouse, Like
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: he loves it so much. I think he's living in
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: one right now. Yeah, so for him, it meets a
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: lot of his needs. So that's kind of cool that you.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Should like him. You have one, right, does all all
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the readers know exactly our listeners know exactly what you're I.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, but like I have an Earth Rommer, Like
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I think if it wasn't an Earth Rummer, it's going
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to be for me, I'd be looking at either a
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Blissmobile or I would be looking at the truck house.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Like the truckhouse is the really easy answer for me,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Like it would be what translates to my life the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: most right now. Like I like how simple it is.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I like how that team has really analyzed like the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: failure modes of everything, because I mean, I've had one
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: of these films six years now, and you definitely do
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: think well, I do think that as you use them more,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: you realize they're pretty reliable. The earth rummer. We've never
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: had anything on the earth rumer side really break forward side. Yeah,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: you know, some of that's not necessarily Ford's fault. But
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I like the truck house. It's very familiar. Yeah, but
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I look at unimogs like like a U five hundred
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: with a Blissmobile because you can invest, you can buy
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: the camper, right, and I like that they have a
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: dry bath. I think that that's pretty nice. I think
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: that the space is used really well. I don't know
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: if I want a cab over truck necessarily, but you can.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: You can take the asset and you can put it
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: on different vehicles. Right, if you wanted to put it
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: on a RAM fifty five hundred for the US, you
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: could do that and then literally put it into a
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: container and have a chassis in Europe.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I mean that's a little eccentric, right, But I wonder
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: if any one's ever ever done that. My friend Colin
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: has genuinely Okay.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: That's cool, because you know, I've heard people have made
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: that argument for thirty years of like why to get
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: the container style camper? And I'm like, has anyone ever
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: ever actually done that? Yeah, like full disclosure.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Like I'm pretty good buddies with Spencer who runs Bliss
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Mobile in the US, and he's constantly doing this for people. Okay,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: that's cool, Like it is something that people do, Okay,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: you know it. Yeah, like Colin bought his first. My
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: buddy Colin bought his first. It had a man chassis
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: and needed all of Europe with it, and then sent
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: it to Canada.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: And box.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Just know that the truck and the box and then
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: the truck went back to you know, traveled around Canada.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Couldn't get it into the US because US citizen. Yeah, sure,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: whatever the laws are. But the camper's fine. So you know,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: brought the camper across the border the right way and
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: then it went onto another truck.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: That's cool. That's cool.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And then we got to talk.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Is that an expedition camper or is that just a
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: truck camper because it literally bolts up to a flat
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: I think if you spend more than one hundred grand
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: on it, it's an expedition. Yeah, what would you have?
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: So for me, it's really tough.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: So like for your current situation with Kate and with
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Sweet Little Road, I mean the current situation.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I went with a trailer in an R and B,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: which we'll get to in a little bit. And it's
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: because I have a kid. So with three people, more
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: than two people, I personally don't think I want to
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: do an expedition truck.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: It would get tight.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: It just be too tight for full time, full time
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: with more than two people, with two people Exbibion truck
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: all the way, one hundred percent. I want to park
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: in one single like spot and not have to detach
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: a trailer and do all the stuff that trailers have
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: to do, which we'll get into. So it's a tough
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: one for me that the quick answers is a f
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: three to fifty or a one ton truck chassis or smaller.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go bigger. I am like you, Scott,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I don't want I want something I can get around
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: and maneuver.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: And one to meaning like thirty five hundred and thirty
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: to fifty or eight kind of thing. Sure it would
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: be the long it would be the biggest truck I
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: would do. So for me, truckhouse is the is the
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: quick answer A million percent. A four door truckhouse av
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: on forties like that thing is just super capable. It's maneuverable.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: I just drove one. It's like so easy to drive,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: like highway, back roads whatever. The only downside of that
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: truck for me and the way that I travel is
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I require multiple mountain bikes and multiple kayaks. Where do
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: you put kayaks on that thing? You have to build
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: a custom rack on the back off a hitch or
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: something and have vertical and I have some longer boats.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: So that's the limiting and changing how I travel, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: that's where I have a problem. So that's where i'd
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: start looking at either an adv mobile custom rig or
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: a ross monster with the pop top so I could
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: get it just low enough to put racks on the
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: top and put my long kayaks on stackers. Again again,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: it's use case like. For me, travel is an amazing
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: part of life, but I use it as a conduit
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: to go do it outdoor adventures, so whatever that is.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Kayaking is my passion, whitewater, but kiteboarding, surf kayaking, mountain biking,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: rock climbing, and you gotta I gotta have that gear
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: with me, and so I gotta have whatever rig I have,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I have to be able to to shit in it.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I got to be able to sleep in it comfortably.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: It has to get me over rough terrain, and it
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: has to carry my gear. If it doesn't carry my gear,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: there's no point. So it's tough. So exhibition vehicles, I
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: don't currently own one because of that and my last expedition.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: The last vehicle I built was an exp is what
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: we called it. It was built at the XP Camper factory.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I built the molds for the panels to create a
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: box essentially with a pop top on the back. So
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I had it how long?
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: How long was I was like eight foot?
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: The box was eight foot. It was an eight foot box. Yeah, correct,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: So it was eight foot square essentially on the back
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: of it, but had no cab over. So I had
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: to build it custom because nobody really did that. So
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: it was pop top and no cab over. The cab
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: over I built a custom rack that threw bolted through
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: the cab in order to hold my kayaks and mountain
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I remember them, and then the top down. So with
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: that truck in theory could fit in a shipping container
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: and that was the goal was like maybe you had
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: aired down a little bit. It was only on thirty threes,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: no lift, and there's a lot of things I would
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: do differently these days, but that truck I had to
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: do all that custom stuff because it just doesn't exist.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Most people that travel on this tend to to buy
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: big expedition trucks tend to be older people that have
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: money and time right, and they don't necessarily carry as
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: many big toys, and the big toys is tough.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: It adds an equation not to be an ad.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: But Bliss Mobile does have an eight foot rising roof box,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: which we can do.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: But it's still tall. It's still it's still relatively tall.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to put a roofrack on top of
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: that and put kayaks on it.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying like it was very similar to
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: what you had. It's just it's a rising roof instead of.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Like a pop top. Big difference is that one pretty
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: much you're not going to live in unless it's popped. Mine.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I could fully stealth camp in the entire thing was
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: designed so the top you don't have to pop it,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: and you could do every function inside the camper, which
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't currently exist.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: So the stealth camp thing used to be a real
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: big like advantage of like the van life. Like I
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: remember when like Foster Huntington like started this hashtag of
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: van life and what the heck is that? And you
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: could just kind of like pull off on Highway one
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: and and camp. It's interesting how it's how it's changed.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Like the vans kind of moving into that world have
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: just blown up. I mean they're the you to drive,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: they're the most accessible, but they're the OG, right like
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: the vans th G like og. Yeah, sure, just sleeping.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's outfitted or not.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: But since the very first van exactly, Yeah, basically when
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Van number one was made, people were sleeping in.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: It for you, you know.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I mean vans I think are just like very accessible
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: for people. And the sprinters drive great example, feel really
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: comfortable driving them. They get reasonable fuel economy. You see
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that are new to the to
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: the space. You know, maybe they're inspired to hit the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: road and travel. They don't come from a background of
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: four wheelean or anything like that. You see a lot
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: of these people end up in vans, and frankly, like
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I see why.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Generally vans aren't as capable, but they're way more accessible.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Anybody can hop in a van and just drive it.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: It drives generally like a car. That's one of the benefits.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: And a lot of them even fit in a standard
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: parking spot, like if you get a one forty four,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: you know it fits in a regular parking spot.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: That really depends on what you want to do with
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I mean that's where I started all this before I
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: knew what overlanding a sportsmobile and.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: That was like back in the day, and it was
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: like it was like, oh my buddy, Brian, he has
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: a sportsmobile at a four by four sports nobile.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: So live thirty threes like pop top extended body E
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: three fifty, which they still make E series but they're
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: only cutaway is now available new, so it's really hard
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: to find good condition older ones. But they're way more
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: capable because it's basically a truck versus the modern vans
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: that are they're vans, their delivery vans. It's not built
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: on a truck chassis, which is basically an an E
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: series is it's a truck with a van like van
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: body squished on the front of it.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: And sportsmobiles are cool or the field vans now. I
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: mean I drove all the way through Copper Canyon one
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: of those things. It was super awesome.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: It was good.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I look at the field Van then I just think
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: that those things are super cool. They did a good
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: job with those, yeah, you know, because they're slightly wider, right,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Like they take the cutaway body and then they're talking
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: about the classic.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's their new classic. They only do an
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: extended body. It's three inches wider on each side. In
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: the back looks like the standard van body from the
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: E series. They follow the lines perfectly, but it's all composite.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: So that's a volume, like huge, way more volume inside
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: and it has the traditional pop top that they've been
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: known for. The thing is rat in all the ways.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: It's got it.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: You know, what do those sell for? Like if you
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: were kind of turned key on one of those, I'm.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Gonna misquote this. I want to say it was around six.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: They're about eighteen or two years out, eighteen months or
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: two years out a post. I talked to Johnny at
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: field Van quite a bit about those, because I still
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: drool on him every time.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: I say those are sweet.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: It's so cool. It's just a really and the four
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: x four system on him was overbuild. They're on thirty fives.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I think it's like an Atlas, twin Stick and the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Dino Track. They get really into the E Series fans.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean frankly, like the Sprinter to me
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: is like very utility, Like well it's not maybe that's
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: not the right word there is. They just they do
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the job right, very functional.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: There's more luxury and room in most of these other
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: commercial vans because that's what they're designed for, is volumetric space, right,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: But the E Series was never really about that.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: The series, I don't know, it kind of like excites
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: me more like they're a little bit more contrarian of
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: a choice these days, and in a world of you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I mean you go to like tell your iDeer Moab
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: and there's eight million sprinters passing you, right, and they
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: all kind of look the same. Like I think that
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see people have forgotten about like
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the E Series and like field Van and that kind
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: of stuff. Like I mean, I do like the field Van, Sprinter,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Sprinter things at the pop top, you know, a little
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: easier to drive.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Does the new chassis Cutaways that have the seven to
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: three ye Godzilla.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Motor right, it's only to ask no de seloption.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great motor.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Too.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: You could take that around the world.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: So so that's the hot market. You're you're all gonna
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: see this at Expo here in a couple of days.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: But there's a lot there's I don't know how many're
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: gonna be there, but I think there's gonna be at
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: least three or four East Series cutaway van expedition rigged
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: things hitting the market in this year in twenty twenty six.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: One or two of them have not been announced publicly yet.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: There's a two that did recently, Geo Trek Geotrek I
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: think is one of them. Basically, they're got a independent
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: attachment point for the body on the back is what
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: their main thing is. That allows the chassis to flex
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: a lot and they get a ton of articulation out
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: of the thing. I think up thirty sevens and they're
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: using you Joint stuff. So you Joint has figured out
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: the E series and how to do four wheel drive
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: systems and all from basic to really badass. So I
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: think you're going to see a lot more of that
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: now that But who knows how long the cutaway is
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: going to be available. The E Series has been around forever,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: supposed to end in twenty eighteen, was the last official thing.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: It didn't, and they've upgraded it kind of one and
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: a half two times since then with the interior and
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: the electronics and the motor and all the things. So
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: who knows how long that'll be around. Right now, ambulances
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: and those type of industries are keeping it alive because
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: it's such a durable chassis that people still want it.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So's the what's
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: the benefit? Like, what's the key consideration around these vans?
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Like why why would somebody buy that over a slide
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: in truck camper or an expedition camper. What's the advantages?
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I think they're easier to drive. I think you have
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: all in one living space.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: I think a little bit of cab over so you
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: get some additional we like overall living space out of
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: a smaller package.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you end up like a one forty
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: four sprinter is roughly the same wheelbase as like a tundra, yeah, right,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: or and.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: The most living space in the same footprint by far
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: any of the.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Semi camp over yeah.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: And I also think that they're casual, you know, in
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: the way that I was saying, I like a four
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: wheel camper because it's it's transactional, like you can buy one,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you can use it, you can sell it. You know,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: not everybody does this forever. Yeah, a lot of people
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: have an idea of a of a big trip. They're
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: big thing that they're doing. I mean, you know, like
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the Winnibigo' revel is the one that I always like
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: look at, like there's a million of them, you know,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: there's always somebody looking for one.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Easy to resell sounds like easy to resell can
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: be easier, yeah, I mean more so than something custom.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: It's a bigger market, right van. The van market is
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: bigger than ex vision.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Trucks, like, yeah, for sure. You know, they can also
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: be very affordable. I mean you can look at some
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: of the like the RAM Pro Master based things, and
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: you're looking at, you know, vans that are transacting brand
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: new in the sixties now they don't have much for
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: off road capability, but you may.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Know because a pro Master's front will drive, the front
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: wheel drive and the kind of have that l Yeah.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Anyways, but like I see Europeans driving those things in
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: the United States all the time, and they're doing the
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: PanAm with it or whatnot. I don't know, Like I've
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: always been van curious, I've never so the.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Van life is the good life. I still swear by
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: van life. The problem is capa ability to get real
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: capability in a van chassis is near. It's not impossible,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: but it's really really hard. You have to do something
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: like an E series even it was an angle halt
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: all round, yeah, Eagle Health all run. They're making like
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: thirty seven's proper Troops speed transfer case on a sprinter.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: So you take a US sprinter, you send it Germany,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: they do all the cool stuff, send it back things epic. Right.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I've driven one one hundred thousand bucks, yeah, right, with
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: nothing in it. That's without a toilet.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: And that's for the modification that doesn't include that at
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: that point, why it doesn't include the van. But basically
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: making a g wagon out of a sprinter, Yeah, but it's.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Still not it's still a bread band with flexible chassis,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: like really capable and huge amount of comfort you can
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: create in a capable vehicle, but it's really hard. It's
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: rare to have a van that has the capability if
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: you really want to go far. I always say like
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: that last two three percent of travels on those really
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: hard adventures. That's where a lot of my memories, core
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: memories come from. So for me, I have I want
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: to vehicle. They can get me those last little bit
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: even though seven percent of the time I'm not using
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: that capability, Like, I still want to have it in there,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: and it's cooler to have the capability.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Well, and remember we've were dealing with so many more
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: people outdoors now, so if you can get three percent
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: further than a sprinter van, you're going to have maybe
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: a view all to yourself.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: That's that's the thing we like about like the exhibition
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: vehicle that Laura says all the time is it just
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: gets us a little bit further than like the trailers.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: It gets us further than the vans. It doesn't get
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: us as far as usually like a truck camper or
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: wedge camper or roof ten on a Tacoma or whatever.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: But you know, you do have to consider the places
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: you really want to go, but also how much that
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: is worth it to you, right, Like one vehicle is
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: never going to do absolutely everything.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: You know That's where trailers get interesting is you can
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: have a base camp and you can have something that's
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit more capable to go further. I think
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: that that's and I mean, that's kind of what you're
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: doing in a way.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know, let's talk trailers for a
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: little bit.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Sure, let's hop into trailers. Yeah. I'm currently living full
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: time on the road with my wife and four year
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: old in a twenty five foot travel trailer, so proper RV.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: It's a very nice one, but it's not it's still
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: an RV. It is not an expedition vehicle. It's not
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: built as such. But I'm towing it with a RAM Prospector,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: not the XL, the regular one. So thirty SEVENS seems
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: to be the perfect package. I'm in love with that truck.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: So it's a twenty six RAM thirty five hundred Diesel
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Laramie Level two with all the bells and whistles on
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: thirty SEVENS, bumpers, snorkel. It's got a smart cap on
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the back, which is awesome, protects all my gear, and
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: then four crossbars on it, so I got six kayaks
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: on there at all times and the mountain bikes and
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: everything in the back.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Six It looks absolutely ridiculous.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: I have it down to six like that took a
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: lot of work to get sold over in the water.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: You would float, it would self, right, the truck itself right, Yes,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: So what's what's the brand? What's the brand of the trailer?
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: It's a Lance trailer, so I bought it used on.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: I didn't know Lance made trailers. Yes, I knew they
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: made campers.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: They're known for truck campers right in this space. But
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: although they make lots of trailers and they have for
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: a long time, they're kind of I don't.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Want to be known for quality.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and they they were changing owners again when
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I bought mine, but I ended up buying just to
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: use one of the market like the thing stickers at
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: crazy money, like ninety thousand dollars, but they don't ever
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: transact at what they sticker for. So I think the
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: previous owner bought it one one person owned it and
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: slept in it seven nights before I bought it, so
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: it's basically brand new, even though it was a used trailer.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: He bought it for like fifty five or sixty from
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: a dealer, and then I bought it used for around
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: forty five grand. Wow, so a lot of money because
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: you could buy the same exact trailer from some of
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: these big RV manufacturers, brand new sticker around fifty to
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: fifty five and you can buy them for thirty three
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: thirty four grand, all day, every day any dealer in
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: the country. We shopped heavily. I researched this stuff. I
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: didn't know the RV market inside and out like I
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: do now before I went down this rabbit hole and
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: this camper. There's pretty much none. There's two manufacturers that
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: make them that are four season, that actually work in
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: four seasons outside RV which are made in Oregon. They're
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: a little they feel like an rvside.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: My father in law had one and a lot of
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: things fell off of it, but otherwise it.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Was they're built better than most RVs that are coming
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: out of Indiana, but they're and they're better insulated, they
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: have way better systems for four season camping, and that
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: was why we were looking at them, and they're still
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: they're also very expensive. They're in that like seventy to
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: one hundred grand range for a twenty five footage trailer.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Lance is similar, little nicer interior, feels a little more homey,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: feels a little more expedition truck, but it's literally screwed
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: together and pine wood and cheap veneer instead of glued together,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: stapled together and fiberboard like you get out of a
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: lot of basic RVs. And that does make a difference,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: it does, for sure.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: But what's the length of the camper?
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Twenty five feet okay, and that's pretty big. It's kind
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: of medium small actually in the camper world, I went
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: really hard to find one that would give me enough
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: space for all of us to live in, but also
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: be relatively maneuverable where I could park it just about
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: anywhere and fit in normal RV parking spots and stuff
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: like that. It's been the right size, I think. The
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: way it's set up, it's a murphy bed with a
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: queen at the front. It's got a dynet three sided
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: dynet on a slide out in the middle, and in
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: the back it has like a full bathroom, separate shower
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: from the toilet, but full bathroom, and then a rear
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: bunk beds that are a crossways east west in the
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: back of the thing, so three bunks and my kid
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: gets the top bunk and the bottom two bunks are
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: for all my gears here kayak hear all that stuff.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: So it allows us to have the kid go to
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: sleep in the back, I can do work in the
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: middle or watch TV or whatever, and my wife can
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: sleep in the front all the same time. Wow, which
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: is unhurt. You can't do that in expedition camper, right,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: you can't do that in a truck camper. So for
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: full time living, that's been awesome. Like, we've been really
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: really grateful for you. Did you flip the axle or
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: put some different tires or anything on it? We didn't know.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: We thought about all that. I might put a better
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: tire on it. Next. The tires are wearing a little weird.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: They're just some trailer, good year trailer tires. But the
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: way the suspension is on this specific trailer, it's not
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't lend itself to that, sadly, but it's pretty good
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: suspension off road. It doesn't have a ton of clearance,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: but has some I'm not going to drag it down
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: that many rough roads straight up. It's built like in
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: our gravel road.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Remember that Bruder trailer here, Oh my god, that thing
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: was insane. Yeah, it had like insane independent suspension. It
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: was like forty eight fold systems. I mean this was
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: before forty eight volt was like a thing. It was
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: like a spaceship for the time when we saw the
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: one that I just saw, it actually has a water maker.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: It makes water from the air.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Like it you can park in the middle of nowhere
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: and that's a brooder. Yeah wow, so it has it
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: has that crazy it'll it'll pull in air from the
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: outside and remove the houses, remove the remove the water
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: from that.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: That would work really well in Australia for a lot
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: of like beach camping and kind of stuff.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: So yeah, you could technically you could be permanently remote
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: because you have tons of solar water maker. Yeah.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I guess on one end, like you have
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: what you and Brian as you kind of have more
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: of the traditional RV style trailer with a really capable
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: like a V prospect or trucks so you can go
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: and you know, do your little trips you know, out
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: from there. But you know there's trailers span this like
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: huge range, right, I mean, like I've always thought you know,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: some of these, like I was like the at Chaser
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: trailers for example. I mean it was everything that you
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: would do for like a basic vehicle build. I mean
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: not a basic vehicle building.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: You're right. I think that's the roof.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Tent, the water, that kind of thing that was all done.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I mean now you have like the Patriot campers, which
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: I think are pretty cool.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: But even within those, they have the basic trailer, Like
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: there was kind of an upgraded Chaser, right with more features,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: and now they have the new ST five, which, yeah,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: you can live inside.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like Matt Pryor who's driving around the world and
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: it's Grenadier with you know, two little kids. They've got
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: a Patriot and you know, it's allowed him to have
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: just like a completely separate stock Grenadier. Yeah, and then
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: he has this, you know, this trailer that can go
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: anywhere and his vehicle's not super overloaded. They can leave
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: the trailer somewhere and go in town.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: And the Grenadier has the advantage of a pretty big
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: towing capacity, so you can, yeah, you can kind of
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: tow those things around. Again, I come back to like,
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: if you're going to tow a trailer, it's sure as
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: hell better have a hot water shower in it. Otherwise,
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: what you know, if you don't include those additional comforts, Yeah,
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: all you're doing is adding space that you're just gonna
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: fill with other stuff. It's like, it's like, just build
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: it into your car, as opposed to spending fifty sixty
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars to toe around a rooften. I don't that's
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: That would be my cree. Think of some of these
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: like Australian you know, camera trailers, like they're very expensive tents. Yeah,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: you know, like for me, if it doesn't have a door,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not towing it. And I think that's why Patriot
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: just came out with the ST five and the ST
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: seven is that they needed to have something that was
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: that where it makes sense to tow and pay for
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: something that expensive is it's got to have some comfort,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: it's got to have some amenities that you can't build
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: into a standard vehicle build.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: I think you need to differentiate between that too. Like
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: a off road trailer with a rooftop ten or some
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: type of tent system that pops off of it is
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: very different than any kind of trailer off road or
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: on that you sleep inside of and has a bathroom
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: and all of that. Those are very different. And I
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: would say that the rooftop tent type thing, you can't
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: really compare that in this discussion we're talking about vans
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: and truck campers and stuff. You talk one that has
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: the other features.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very like they're they're very specific to like Australia,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: like I understand where you would want to have, you know,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: a Patriot camper if you were crossing the Canning Stock
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Route or you know the Simpson Desert or something. You know,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Like they're rugged. A traditional trailer is either going to
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: be too heavy, you're going to rattle the thing to death.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: They are super durable.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: But I don't know if we like I feel like
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: in the US, it's like we're doing more like technical
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: sport driving and then like pavement or kind of ducking
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: down a forest service road. And I'm not sure.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Even the brewder though has both. Right, So the brooder
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: like yeah, you sleep inside of it, but you generally
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: live outside in that thing like the kitchen and everything's outside.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: It's very that Australian or South African style where you're
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: you're camping. You just happen to maybe have a bed
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: inside and maybe have a shower inside, but it's still
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: a camping like that's different than an RV trailer like
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: I have, like I'm not living outside like everything's indoors.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: I can live outside of it, like you can put
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: a you know, a stove outside and barbecue or whatever.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: But it's basically like having a rolling house. That's different
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: than having like even these truck campers that we've talked
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: about so far, you're living inside, like you're not. You're
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: not camping out outside in a tent yep. Even my
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: last my Lexus GX for sixty, I had a sleep
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: platform like a Gooseki or sleep set, so I sleep
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: inside of it. No rooftop tent ever, Like I'm not,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not completely against you.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: You got stuff you want to put on the topks
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: I can only fit about six on that. But you know,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: I mean the trail, the trail. The trailers make sense
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: in my mind, I adding comfort and convenience. They really
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: do make sense. I just I think with all this stuff,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: like I think even about the truck camper, the one
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: big differentiation between my truck camper and an earth roamer
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: is the fact that I need to do like two
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: or three steps at least to make any of those
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: things work. So if I want to use the bathroom,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: I've got to unstrapped, I got to pull it out
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: of the little cubby. I gotta do the thing. I
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: got to put the bag in, whereas you in an
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: expedition camper, there's no friction. You go straight to the toilet.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: If I want to take a shower, I gotta unzip
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: the bag.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Great when you have like truck stop Indian food.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but like so that, I mean we're coming back
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: to like you can have like I have a heater,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: ab an air conditioner. I have all those things, but
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: they all take steps an effort to get to and there.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: None of them are going to be as easy and
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: frictionless as like in a camper.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Really important.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: I think the most underrated of all the four different
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: things we've talked about, I think the truck camper is
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: the most underrated. You know, kind of like you know,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: home on wheels, right. It ticks all of those boxes
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: of comfort. It allows you to have, you know, in
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  Speaker 1: many cases of shower, a toilet, a little sink. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you're you're you're elevating your comfort beyond you know, just
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  Speaker 1: just a vehicle or or a vehicle build. I think
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  Speaker 1: the value money is good on them, you know. I
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  Speaker 1: think expedition vehicles the value for money equation you're not
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  Speaker 1: even really thinking of yeah, you can't.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to hard.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you know it's it's it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to it's I.
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  Speaker 2: Think there's kind of three factors here, and you've touched
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  Speaker 2: on some of them. One is price right, So with
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  Speaker 2: a truck camper, you can disassociate the truck camper from
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  Speaker 2: the truck. So now you have two assets instead of one.
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  Speaker 2: In a van or an expedition camper, it's one asset engine.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty much nobody wants them.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know about that, but I'm just
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  Speaker 2: saying they plummet. Like you your truck when your engine
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  Speaker 2: went one hundred percent, have to put a new engine
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  Speaker 2: in it. Because it's mated to the camper. You can't
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  Speaker 2: take the truck camper off trash or or have the
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  Speaker 2: insurance total the truck and then redo it. It's just
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  Speaker 2: not an option. Same with vans. A lot of vans
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  Speaker 2: like once you build it completely out and you go
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  Speaker 2: overboard with all the build out, you that's worth way
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  Speaker 2: more than the chassis it's on. And then if the
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  Speaker 2: engine wears out or the transmission wears out, you just
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  Speaker 2: have to repair that stuff. So it's a that's part
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  Speaker 2: of the equation. The other part of the equation is
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  Speaker 2: your friction, like you were talking about, and convenience and
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  Speaker 2: luxury level of what you want to do and how
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  Speaker 2: I think part of that is like each individual and
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  Speaker 2: how they feel about that, Like whether a composting toilet
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  Speaker 2: or a full toilet that flushes and goes to the outside, Like,
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  Speaker 2: that's a different level. You need a full shower inside
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  Speaker 2: that you can have full running water like that requires
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  Speaker 2: huge volumes of water to on board, great and black
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  Speaker 2: and clean water.
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  Speaker 1: It's like all of this, this entire episode was set
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  Speaker 1: up in order of best for travel to least good.
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  Speaker 2: But yet I'm traveling full trailer.
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  Speaker 3: Well but you know, and you you should be commended
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  Speaker 3: for that, Brian, because you no totally think about it,
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  Speaker 3: Like you made a decision to rent your home, your
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  Speaker 3: super cool house in Portland and to get on the
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  Speaker 3: road with your family and to go experience the things
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  Speaker 3: that you love to do and to show your daughter
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  Speaker 3: the things that you love to do. And but that's
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  Speaker 3: that's why we should be doing these things, if we
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  Speaker 3: do them for the right reasons, which for you was
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  Speaker 3: like I want to be out in nature. I want
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  Speaker 3: to show my family what that means to me, Like
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  Speaker 3: that's doing it for the right reasons. If you know,
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  Speaker 3: if if you spend a million bucks on an expedition
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  Speaker 3: camper and it gets used three times a year, maybe
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  Speaker 3: you're not doing it for the right reasons.
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  Speaker 2: You know. So maybe me though, if it gets you
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  Speaker 2: out three times that you want to on out, maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's perfectly okay. You know. You gotta go around, around
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  Speaker 2: and around, And the reality is, again it comes down
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  Speaker 2: to a number of people and all that. Like think
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  Speaker 2: about Graham Bell and his family and how they brought
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  Speaker 2: him up in a Defender one thirty with two rooftop
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  Speaker 2: tents or one big rooftop tent, Like that's epic, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like they forego a lot of comforts but still had
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  Speaker 2: that experience. You don't need any of the things we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about. And if there's no one answer for everybody,
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  Speaker 2: there's so many factors involved in it. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: an RV. The thing is falling apart in some ways.
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  Speaker 2: I keep fixing it.
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  Speaker 1: I spent all weekend fixing he did.
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  Speaker 2: He helped me all weekend fixing it. It's and they're
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  Speaker 2: little things. It's not like the end of the world
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  Speaker 2: because it is a nice RV in terms of RVs,
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  Speaker 2: and I take care of my stuff. But I would
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  Speaker 2: love to be in an exhibition truck and not be
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  Speaker 2: dragging a trailer all over the country like I would
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  Speaker 2: love to be. But I picked the right truck to
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  Speaker 2: tow the right trailer around. I do eighty over the
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  Speaker 2: mountains and don't care. And then iron Hook, don't even
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  Speaker 2: air down and go get sunset shots in Moab with
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: this truck on hard trails. It doesn't care. Again, it
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  Speaker 2: depends on what you want to do. I want the capability,
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  Speaker 2: and I needed the space for the three of us.
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  Speaker 2: I know what my wife needs for living, and I
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: knew what my four year old needs to live, and
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  Speaker 2: then me for my sanity and full time job and
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: that I had and now freelancing for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: I need to be able to work late at night
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 3: Trailer allows me to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Has like multiple toy boxes.
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  Speaker 2: She does have multiple toy boxes.
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  Speaker 3: She's going to be.
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  Speaker 1: Five by the time she listens to that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, And if you look at the three of us,
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  Speaker 3: you're pulling a trailer. You have an expedition camper and
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  Speaker 3: I have a truck camper and it's exactly what we
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  Speaker 3: each need in order to get outdoors. And like you
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  Speaker 3: love my greyhound, loves exactly my earth, but his earth.
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  Speaker 3: You have told me for six years how much you
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  Speaker 3: love that vehicle, and it gets you out, It gets
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  Speaker 3: you outdoors. So I think that's the key to it
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  Speaker 3: is buy the right vehicle for yourself. You know, Please
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  Speaker 3: don't overspend money on the truck. If you if you've
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  Speaker 3: got ten million bucks in the bank and you want
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: to buy an eight hundred thousand dollars expedition camper, that
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  Speaker 3: is not a stretch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a stretch.
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  Speaker 3: So buy what you want, of course, but don't overspend
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  Speaker 3: on the vehicle and the camper, which means that you
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  Speaker 3: can't experience the travel, the traffic, the purpose. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: come back to the purpose, you know, get out with
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  Speaker 3: your family, get out with the people you love, doing
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  Speaker 3: something you love and it surprisingly they all work in
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  Speaker 3: their own way.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I still miss the van life and me
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  Speaker 2: straight that life is the good life. But is the
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  Speaker 2: right answer for now and everybody's got their own modes.
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  Speaker 2: Just get out there. It doesn't it doesn't matter if
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: you if you have a way, go adventure and travel.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be full time, doesn't have to
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  Speaker 2: be just on the weekend. Do whatever works for whatever
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  Speaker 2: the lifestyle situation you are. And again, don't make it
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  Speaker 2: a thing. Like everyone always asked, how do you do it?
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  Speaker 2: Make it a priority. If it's a priority, If it's
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: your a priority, you can do it. Money matters, sure,
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  Speaker 2: but it doesn't like you can. I bought a three
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand mile used van initially and had no money.
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  Speaker 2: I would broke. I had no debt, but I had
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: no money, and I hit the road and lived under
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: the poverty line for like six years full time. It
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: was fine. I never left wanting. I got to go
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  Speaker 2: do the things I wanted to do barely, but I
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: worked enough to make it happen as I went. And again,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: it's whatever stage in life you are, get out and
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  Speaker 2: do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want it bad enough, you can make
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  Speaker 3: it happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Well, hopefully that was helpful everyone.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we thank you all for listening. We'll talk to
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  Speaker 3: you next time. Audios pease