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Patriots Unfiltered 1/20: Texans Recap, Areas to Improve, AFC Championship! · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 4: Ball noer for sure, definitely one of the O G
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  Speaker 4: ball knowers as well in the media. But yeah, he
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  Speaker 4: called it BS that Roberts Plaine claimed that the Chargers
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  Speaker 4: players were confused by what the Patriots were doing defense.
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  Speaker 3: So you know again called him a liar. What is
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  Speaker 3: he calling bs.
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  Speaker 4: That he thought that didn't do anything creative.
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  Speaker 5: Or didn't tell that was my Splaine that, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 5: agreed for as you said that he called Splaine a liar,
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  Speaker 5: right right, Yeah, I think I think, Hey, I'm with friends.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's okay, you can.
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  Speaker 6: Be with fingers.
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  Speaker 4: Can you call him a liar somebody? I don't don't
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  Speaker 4: need to argue about this, Samantha, I really don't know.
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  Speaker 3: That's his opinion while he's wrong, okay, but that doesn't
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  Speaker 3: make him a lie.
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  Speaker 4: Well it does because the film is the film. There's
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  Speaker 4: no way to interpret film differently, not not not really
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  Speaker 4: Like if you know you're watch you're using.
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  Speaker 3: The word liar in the wrong way. That's that's well.
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  Speaker 4: I would say, Greg Cosela is now lying. I happened
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  Speaker 4: to see the splaying quote before I watched the tape.
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  Speaker 4: I thought that's bs. I think that's a lot of garbage.
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  Speaker 3: Not the quote, but the fact that they were confused,
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  Speaker 3: So anybody know.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't want to like belabor it because I thought
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  Speaker 6: it already had gone on too long. But when Evan
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  Speaker 6: actually read the tweet, the word liar was never doo h.
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  Speaker 7: It is Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium. The Patriots are
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  Speaker 7: on the way to the AFC Championship. Haven't beaten a
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  Speaker 7: really good team in the Uh what's the name of them?
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  Speaker 3: If good? You forgot that he was about to call
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  Speaker 3: them the Texas Rangers. But yeah, so, I mean here
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  Speaker 3: we are going to the AFC Championship. Unbelievable. That was
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  Speaker 3: a wild game. We knew the Texans had a good defense,
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  Speaker 3: but the Patriots are overmatched on the front line. They
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  Speaker 3: were overmatched for much of that game, and it led
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  Speaker 3: to a white knucklock for most of the game.
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  Speaker 4: But here we are.
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  Speaker 3: It's Evan, it's Barks, it's Deuce, it's Me, it's Alex
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  Speaker 3: the mats in the booth, And yeah, I mean, what
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  Speaker 3: else is there to say about this game that we
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  Speaker 3: just watched a lot?
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  Speaker 1: I guess, unbelievable. Just you know, the Patriots defense, to me,
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  Speaker 1: I got to give them flowers first, because they've just
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  Speaker 1: been outstanding. I mean, and going back and grinding some
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  Speaker 1: of the tape yesterday, I just I was so impressed
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  Speaker 1: by both defenses. And you know, to really see the
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  Speaker 1: Texans how they were builled all week as such a
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  Speaker 1: good defense, and then to really see it on tape
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  Speaker 1: with those guys, how they click, they get downhill, they
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  Speaker 1: wrap up, they tackle with aggression. I mean, to Toal,
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  Speaker 1: he sees it, he goes They're all good. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's just no real weak links.
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  Speaker 3: It's playoffs and it's defense. I mean, that's what you
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  Speaker 3: need in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: You know, playoffs. Defense wins hopefully championships.
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  Speaker 3: But so luckily the Patriots have one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, at some point, maybe the Patriots defense will get
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  Speaker 4: talked about like some of these other great defenses do.
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  Speaker 3: Here we go.
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  Speaker 4: My guess is that that probably won't happen again because
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  Speaker 4: you know, Jared's didham and that of it all. So
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  Speaker 4: maybe in the Super Bowl, if they win the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 4: then we can talk about the Patriots having a good defense.
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  Speaker 4: But they they've just been outstanding. I mean, they're giving
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  Speaker 4: up one touchdown drive in twenty four possessions. In the playoffs,
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  Speaker 4: change is a twenty seven yard touchdown drive off a
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  Speaker 4: turnover by the Patriots offense, which I'm sure we'll get to,
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  Speaker 4: and I just think what's so remarkable about what they've
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  Speaker 4: done is they've completely flipped their formula on its head.
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  Speaker 4: So during the regular season, they're playing all this soft
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  Speaker 4: zone on first and second down. They're giving up a
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  Speaker 4: lot of yards on first down especially, and then on
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  Speaker 4: third down they were pretty good and they're getting into
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  Speaker 4: some of their man coverages and being more aggressive and
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  Speaker 4: that sort of thing. But it was a lot of
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  Speaker 4: ben don't break, you know, don't give up the big plays,
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  Speaker 4: don't get beat that way. And now in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 4: first down has become an aggressive down for them. They're
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  Speaker 4: playing a lot more man, they're blitzing a lot more,
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  Speaker 4: and they're trying to win first down, and then on
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  Speaker 4: second and third down, they're kind of winning more with
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  Speaker 4: structure than with schemes, so it's totally flipped on its
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  Speaker 4: head what they did in the regular season. So that
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  Speaker 4: mix has really worked for this personnel because they're getting
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  Speaker 4: teams into second and third and long by winning first
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  Speaker 4: down consistently. So it's been really cool to see how
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  Speaker 4: Zach Kor has kind of rose to this occasion and
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  Speaker 4: really I think left no doubt about his standing of
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  Speaker 4: the defensive coordinator of Terrell Williams doesn't return next year.
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  Speaker 4: He's been terrific. The players have been terrific as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh good, good point. Do you think that this
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  Speaker 3: flipping the script is something where they went into the
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  Speaker 3: place saying, listen, this is what we did the regular season.
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  Speaker 3: People are no, we did this. We have to do
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  Speaker 3: something different so that we're not predictable. Or is it
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  Speaker 3: just something that you know you would think, well, being
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  Speaker 3: aggressive is something you should always do if you can
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  Speaker 3: do it, if you can get away with it, So
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  Speaker 3: why didn't they do it in the regular season as much?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think there's an element of that,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean I think we saw flashes of them,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sending I remember and forget what game it was,
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  Speaker 1: like Carlton Davis coming on a blitz on you know,
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  Speaker 1: first down and got burned everything.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's time to time. But but in terms
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  Speaker 3: of percentages, Evan's right, you know, it's it's it's you know,
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  Speaker 3: a wholesale change.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think the biggest difference is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when you're going up against the cam Wards and the
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  Speaker 4: Dylan Gabriels and the Spencer Rattler, right, you know, like
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  Speaker 4: sending all this pressure and doing all these things on
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  Speaker 4: first down, those teams are not going to be able
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  Speaker 4: to sustain drives. They're not going to be able to
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  Speaker 4: consistently drive the field on you time and time again
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  Speaker 4: to playoffs. You know, these are better teams. They're better quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 4: Although the two guys they've played haven't played like it,
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  Speaker 4: they are better quarterbacks than what you've faced. And so
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  Speaker 4: now I think the real sort of unearthing of this
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  Speaker 4: plan of what they had in mind with this defense
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  Speaker 4: is starting to come out a little bit more Like
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  Speaker 4: we can get into all the first down.
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  Speaker 3: Philosophy, but wouldn't a lesser quarterback like give you the
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  Speaker 3: confidence to be even more aggressive and just end this
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  Speaker 3: thing early.
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  Speaker 4: I just think that that's it's right now, it's working.
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  Speaker 4: But you're you're flying close to the sun. You know,
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  Speaker 4: like if you send pressure and you get beat over
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  Speaker 4: the top, it can be a seventy five yard touchdown
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  Speaker 4: as easily as it can be second in tent And
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  Speaker 4: when you play a game against these bad quarterbacks, like,
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  Speaker 4: there's just no reason to be that aggressive, you know,
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  Speaker 4: just they're going to make So we're just gonna sit
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  Speaker 4: here in our coverage and we're gonna count on the
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  Speaker 4: fact that cam Ward.
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  Speaker 3: Is going to don't take chances if you don't have to.
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  Speaker 6: To the play that Mike just talked about, and you're right,
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  Speaker 6: it's one play of a whole season worth, you know,
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  Speaker 6: small sample size, but that first play of the game
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  Speaker 6: in New Orleans, you're playing one of the teams that
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  Speaker 6: Evan's kind of describing, make them drive on you, and
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  Speaker 6: you gave them a fifty yard chunk play in the
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  Speaker 6: first play of the game, right, because anybody can complete one.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that the philosophy for the Patriots throughout
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  Speaker 6: much of the season was let's make sure they complete
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  Speaker 6: eight or nine to get out and score not one
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  Speaker 6: against these quarterbacks, and for the most part it worked.
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  Speaker 6: Now to me, it's about the line of scrimmage. They've
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  Speaker 6: been dominant upfront and it's across the board. It's like
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  Speaker 6: all six or seven of those guys, they're just owning
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  Speaker 6: the physicality at the line of scrimmage. They're owning the
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  Speaker 6: line of scrimmage. Both games, the opponent has not been
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  Speaker 6: able to run at all. And I made the comment
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  Speaker 6: on the postgame show, we had made a big deal
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  Speaker 6: of that fifty rushing yards thing. No one's been able
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  Speaker 6: to run for fifty yards like that's like they had
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  Speaker 6: seventeen yards the other day, like fourteen carries for seventeen yards.
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  Speaker 6: But what he marks like this is blowing that fifty
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  Speaker 6: yard thing out.
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  Speaker 1: Of the water.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think this would have happened dominant Milton Williams
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  Speaker 3: and Spoiling hadn't come back, And I got I was
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  Speaker 3: going to just highlight Mint Milton Williams.
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  Speaker 1: I think he is an absolute stud and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what I expected him to be coming over from
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles, but I don't know if it was this,
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  Speaker 1: because he looks every bit the game wrecord that they've
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  Speaker 1: needed him to be he's consistently in the backfield. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: at least a couple in my head, remembering like he's
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  Speaker 1: just walking the garden to the backfield and the running
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  Speaker 1: back's already got to make a cut two yards deep
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  Speaker 1: and then he just you know, and the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the team swarms to it. I think he is if
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  Speaker 1: we didn't realize it during the season, realizing now what
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  Speaker 1: a key piece he is to this defense. But I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to go back real quick to the point
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  Speaker 1: the boys were was what do they do this week
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  Speaker 1: against Jared Stidham. Do they go back to maybe take
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  Speaker 1: the foot off the gas a little bit and try
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  Speaker 1: to make it to him execute, or do they do
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  Speaker 1: Fret's thing and continue their playoff I watch, I.
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  Speaker 4: Think they have to do what they've been doing because
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how many points the Patriots are going
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  Speaker 4: to score on that Broncos defense. So if I'm the Patriots,
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  Speaker 4: I'm thinking maximize possessions. This might be another game where
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  Speaker 4: the defense is going to have to play really well. Now,
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  Speaker 4: it should be easier in theory, I guess. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, like you're talking about it before the show,
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  Speaker 4: dos like how much worse? Can Jared s didn't play
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  Speaker 4: than CJ. Stroud did on Sunday?
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  Speaker 3: I guarantee he'll be better.
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  Speaker 4: I don't guarantee that, But how much worse?
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  Speaker 3: Is not going to have a twenty eight quarterback rate
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  Speaker 3: he had a I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not going to guarantee he's.
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  Speaker 6: Going to be able to say as a blanket statement,
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  Speaker 6: I'd find it awfully hard to believe that a guy's
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  Speaker 6: capable of playing as badly as Stroud did Sunday? But
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  Speaker 6: how much better than that?
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a difference Like Stroud through four picks,
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  Speaker 4: which is awful, but like could Stidham complete like forty
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  Speaker 4: percent of his passes and have absolutely no semblance of
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  Speaker 4: anything positive?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 1: But did both of those right?
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  Speaker 4: But like, I don't know. I just I think the
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  Speaker 4: turnovers is one thing.
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  Speaker 3: But do I have to do I have to, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, give a little lesson here?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, I mean, can you can you say it?
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's I know, but everyone's saying that this is getting figured?
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  Speaker 3: Is you know coming in and this is a layup?
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  Speaker 3: It ain't I'm telling you right now. Teams rise up,
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  Speaker 3: especially good teams with good coaches, they figure it out,
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  Speaker 3: they they work around it, and this is going to
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  Speaker 3: be a tough game. Going to be a tough game.
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  Speaker 4: I agree, but not because of Diddam. Like I, I
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  Speaker 4: think the Broncos defense.
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  Speaker 3: Is because they're a good team with a good coach.
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  Speaker 4: They're good, They're a good defense.
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  Speaker 6: I'm down on the defense, to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 6: I'm down on almost everything I've seen from Denver since
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  Speaker 6: they kind of got on the radar, you know, everybody
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  Speaker 6: started talking about and they want a bunch of games
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  Speaker 6: in a row. And I don't think they're frauds. So
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  Speaker 6: before or anybody like starts making fun of me for that,
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  Speaker 6: I think they're a good team. I think they're like
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  Speaker 6: all the other teams, like they're all good. But defensively,
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  Speaker 6: I've seen them play down the stretch maybe three or
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  Speaker 6: four times, and I haven't been overly impressed. What I
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  Speaker 6: was watching from Houston down the stretch and then what
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  Speaker 6: I saw Sunday impress the hell out of me. I
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  Speaker 6: don't look at this defense is anywhere near that caliber,
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  Speaker 6: and I know the numbers indicate that they're close. I
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  Speaker 6: just the one thing that I would be concerned about
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  Speaker 6: with Denver, and I'm sure Evan's going to get into
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  Speaker 6: all the ex's and o's far greater detail than I'd
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  Speaker 6: ever want to even try. That's probably more accurate. They
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  Speaker 6: get after the passer, and probably your biggest concern through
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  Speaker 6: two games offensively is the inability to a protect the
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  Speaker 6: passer and B have may handle the pressure with his
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  Speaker 6: presence protect the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that.
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  Speaker 6: To me could be a great equalizer if Nick Benito
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  Speaker 6: or someone has a couple of strip sacks. Otherwise I
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  Speaker 6: think you're gonna move. I mean, Buffalo Josh Allen played
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  Speaker 6: one of the worst playoff games, maybe the worst playoff
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  Speaker 6: game of his career. They put thirty on the board.
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  Speaker 6: They turned the ball over five times and put thirty
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  Speaker 6: on them.
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  Speaker 3: But in between those turnovers he was playing great.
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  Speaker 6: But he was awful in the game.
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  Speaker 4: For him, I think I think they it's a different
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  Speaker 4: type of chance. No, No, it's a different type of challenge.
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  Speaker 4: You know, like Houston wins with structure and and just talent,
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  Speaker 4: flat out talent. Denver cooks it up a lot more
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  Speaker 4: like Denver is uh, you know, they they're they're doing
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  Speaker 4: a lot of things on tape that are are very exotic.
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  Speaker 4: They're running a lot of match coverages, they're running a
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  Speaker 4: lot of pressure schemes. They blitz a lot like this
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  Speaker 4: is a vance. Joseph is a you know.
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  Speaker 3: He is really He's one of those guys.
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  Speaker 4: He's one of those guys that really cooks it up.
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  Speaker 4: Whereas Houston the time of his life, Houston, you kind
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  Speaker 4: of knew what you were going to get. It was
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  Speaker 4: just whether not you could block the edges right like that.
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  Speaker 4: It was really came down to that. Whereas with this
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  Speaker 4: Broncos team, like you can go into a blender a
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  Speaker 4: lot quicker, I would say against the Broncos because you're
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  Speaker 4: not going to understand what you're looking at from a
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  Speaker 4: schematic standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: Then with Houston, it's so much on Drake to me,
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  Speaker 1: and that's yes, you're looking at Stidham and what's in
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  Speaker 1: front of you. But I mean, if this team legitimately
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  Speaker 1: wants to have a chance to win a Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 1: Drake's gonna have to be better. And I said on
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  Speaker 1: the show when we take pu TV yesterday that you know,
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  Speaker 1: we had some MVP type moments, but it wasn't an
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  Speaker 1: MVP type performance from him, not at all. And I
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  Speaker 1: wonder Tavin's point because we said last week it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a lot mentally that he was going to have to
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  Speaker 1: digest with the line of scrimmage. It was just that
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  Speaker 1: these guys, I just think they don't get blocked. You
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  Speaker 1: got to move them.
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  Speaker 3: But he cannot have him sit in the pocket. He's
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  Speaker 3: got to you gotta move him around.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't think the pressure was all that bad.
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  Speaker 6: I thought, I kind of.
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  Speaker 4: I think Campbell. I think Campbell got whooped all right,
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  Speaker 4: like just putting it objectively a couple of times, and
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  Speaker 4: but overall, he was only under pressure on like twenty
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  Speaker 4: five percent of his dropbacks.
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  Speaker 6: The way he's handling the pressure that was the right.
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  Speaker 4: Side of the offensive line was fantastic. Morgan Moses pitched
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  Speaker 4: a shutout on the right side on Daniel Hunter for
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  Speaker 4: most of the game. So I don't think that this
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  Speaker 4: was one of those games where it was like he
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  Speaker 4: was under siege for four quarters. The bad plays were
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  Speaker 4: just really really bad. Yeah, you know, like we had
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  Speaker 4: three really bad strip sacks that just can't happen that
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  Speaker 4: probably in a normal playoff game, you lose because of I.
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  Speaker 1: Saw, And there's only one instance this coming to mind,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know if you saw more of it,
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  Speaker 1: but I saw some return of the drift into pressure
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing and drift into his guys. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was one of the strip sacks. We kind of
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  Speaker 1: went right into Moses right like, and his arm hit
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  Speaker 1: right on his back.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I g that one was the one that was backed
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  Speaker 4: up on his own goal line, and you know it,
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  Speaker 4: he's super lucky that they recovered that. And that wasn't
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  Speaker 4: a fumble six or setting them up at the two
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  Speaker 4: yard line or something like that, which is usually well,
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  Speaker 4: they scored the two yard lines, so I shouldn't say
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  Speaker 4: an automatic touchdown, but usually it is. But outside of
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  Speaker 4: those like two or three catastrophic plays, I actually didn't
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  Speaker 4: think the offensive line played all that poorly in this game, Campbell, notwithstanding.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there are four fumbles. Those are big plays. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But I just I go back to you're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. It's not gonna be good enough
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  Speaker 1: for usus whether it's the Seahawks or the Ram, especially
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  Speaker 1: the Seahawks with their defense, but against the Rams, they
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  Speaker 1: can score. They've got pieces, So you know, it's not
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  Speaker 1: just about getting through this next round. It's about and
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I said to Evan, I feel he hasn't played MVP
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: level sixty minutes these first two playoff games. So that
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: makes me think like he should be due. He should
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: be due for a bounce back. I know it doesn't
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: make sense to say, oh, you're gonna go on the
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: road in the ANFC Championship and all of a sudden,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: you're gonna play good, But they just need more from him.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: They're gonna need more for him to win this year,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: to make success.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: The team has had on the road this year means
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: anything a little bit, I do.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they have confidence, and I mean i'd
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: also say, though, I think Denver is Denver's defense is
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: probably gonna take more onto themselves that they have to
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: play better. They're gonna play with a little bit of
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: extra energy too.
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: I think so, and I do wonder and I guess
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: sixteen minutes it's gonna happen. Does Drake May you know, like,
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: because you're gonna scoff at this, I know you are.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, here we go.
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: I don't think he has to do as much in
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: this game because I don't think they're going to have
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: to score.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: As much in this. I like that point. I know
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: what you're saying.
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think you play to the fact that
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: jareds Didham's playing and the other two. So Greg, I know.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: We've with a conservative play calling.
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: Well, if that's what it takes to get him to
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: protect the ball. Yes, And I think that there was Listen,
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: I don't know what was being said. Okay, it's dangerous
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: to like look from the press box down on the
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: sideline and interpret what's going on, but I kind of
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: felt like there was a time there in this set.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: And I talked about this in the postgame show in
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: the second half that Mike and Josh were talking Rabel
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: and McDaniels, and I kind of got the impression it's like,
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: you know, we gotta we gotta run the ball, and
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: Josh is like, Mike, we can't run it. I mean,
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: you're watching the game. We haven't been able to run it.
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: We're in third and you know, second and eight, second
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: and nine. Every every possession. What did they have nine
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: to three an ounce in that game?
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I think six six, So.
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: I see we did. So Yeah, I think that they
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: need to be more conservative. If May is showing any
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: signs of not having the ball security because I really
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: and this is the part you're gonna the only way
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: they can lose this game is to do what they've
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: done in these two games and put the ball on
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: the ground constantly. They don't see any way that they
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: do not have a turnover in Denver and lose this game.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know, But you don't think that bo Nitz
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: is that great?
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: I don't, but he's significantly better than the guy who's
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: playing now do we know that?
• 17:57
  Speaker 9: Yes?
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: How because the other guy can't play for any of
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: the teams that he's been on.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Well, he's been like he's been behind some good quarterbacks.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Who is he behind Brian Hoyer? He backed up Brian Hoyer.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Who is he behind here like Cam Newton and Brian Hoyer? Yeah?
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: I know, but in Vegas because he's also I don't
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: want to go.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Back to the shot here.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I don't want to go back in the history of Jarrison,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: but I think he fell out of the doghouse for
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: some off field reasons, you know, with the injury, the
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: wedding and all that.
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: Why is that trailing him? But I'm just saying, why
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: there's that trailing him in Vegas?
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: And I don't think he's had a chance in this
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: league to prove himself either way good or bad.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I think when you're in the league as
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: long as he has, you should have gotten a chance
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: to play.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you also get.
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: You if you deserved a chance to play, you would
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: have gotten it. My point of view, he's had career
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: starts in what eight years? How many years have been
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: in the league?
• 18:59
  Speaker 8: Five?
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Nineteen?
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, six, five or six?
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: What year did you get you get drafted nineteen right,
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: nineteen twenty one to two to three to four, twenty five?
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: That's seven years?
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Well, yea twenty six is we don't count yet, it
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: hasn't happened, you know, twenty five, yeah, five and by
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: nineteen so that's six, right, five and one five plus
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: one to.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: Six, nineteen, twenty twenty one, twenty two, twenty three, twenty
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: four to twenty five. That's seven seasons. Math Again, I'll
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: reiterate it, well, seven seasons, four starts at least three
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: teams right now.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: I hear what Paul is saying to him. He's right,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: But I think at the same time, I do have
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: respect for Sean Payton, and I think that I agree
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: with that that Sean Payton will have a really good
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: first fifteen where they're probably going to move the pocket
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: a bunch and get the ball out of his hands,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: and she's going to get tried to try to run
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: the ball and they might have some earliest success in
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: the game.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, I just I just want to ask the question now,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: you know, get it out here. Now. If he comes
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: out and he does pretty well, is because the Patriots
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: defense thinks, now he did him I'm talking.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Can I see it?
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, yeah, what's pretty If he comes out
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: and he's like, you know, sixty five percent passing and
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: he's not turning the ball over many yards, I don't know.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: I don't like if he looks at.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: But like sixty five percent passing for like eighty yards,
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: yeah great. No, I'm not going to say anything about
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: the Patriots defense. Does he put like twenty eight points
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: and throw for you know, to eighty with sixty five
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: percent passing, then I'll say, eh, yeah, all it took
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: was a quarterback to not poop himself and the defense.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Look, there's a long way from a good first fifteen
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: to too eighty and sixty five percent passing exactly. And
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: now it's sort of my point was like I I
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be shocked if he comes out and plays pretty
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: well to start the game. Now they're going to have
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: plays that they've practiced all week that he's going to
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: feel comfortable running. It's always the challenge of once you
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: get out of the script, like how does it go
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: for there? Sure for all teams, and I don't know
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: if you know, the good quarterbacks will be able to
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: play well through four quarters. I don't know if Sidham
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: is going to be able to do that. But I
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be surprised if Sean Payton has something ready that
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: he probably would have called the same game with Bo Nicks, honestly, Like,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: you know, I think there's.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Similar theff styles.
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: I think Stidham probably has a better arm, but I
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: think Knicks is the better player in terms of overall
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: package and obviously what he's done with games on the
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: line and you know, late situations. He's been really good,
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: right like six.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Or seven fourth quarter comebacks this year, and he's got.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Five fourth quarter comebacks, seven game winning drives. That's the
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: most in the league. And I think that's a big
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: part of it, is that intangible quality of the clutch
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: in that factor but Nix is more mobile and it's
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: not particularly close. You know, Stidham's not a statue, but
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Knicks is really nimble. He can get out on the pocket.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: He's more comfortable, I would say, in a lot of ways,
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: throwing on the move, throwing from different platforms, arming, different
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: things like that. That's not Jared Stidham's game. They're going
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: to have to get Jared Stidham to sit in the
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: pocket and make throws, whereas like twenty five percent of
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: bo Nix's throws around.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I restley don't know what Jared Stidham's game is.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Jared Stidham is a pocket quarterback. He's got a good arm.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: I think that if he's cleaned, like a lot of
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: NFL quarterbacks, you know, he can hit throws down the field.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: But it's just from his college tape, from just everything.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I watched some of his preseason last night, I you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: went back and watched a couple of his starts in
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: twenty three, which we were Sean Payton still in Denver. Now,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: this Broncos team now is a lot better than that
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Broncos team was in terms of surrounding talent. I think
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: the only other thing I would add is this is
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: the best offensive line they've faced yet. That's what I
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: was buy am a country mile.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: So would that prevent you I wanted to get into that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: I'm glad you opened the door. Would that cause you
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: to maybe rethink some of the pressure stuff that you've
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: been doing, because this line seems more equipped to handle
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: some of that stuff, whereas certainly the Charges look like
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: they had never seen one before four, And at times
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: the Texans looked pretty leaky too.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Now I think they've been kind of blitz happy in
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the postseason, and I would say that might be how
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you have to do it. Yeah, I think just pick.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: That would go the opposite way, you know, I would say,
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: let him try to pick me apart. I'm gonna I'm
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: going to say that you protect the past it Well,
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: I'm going to give you that, and I'm going to
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: really pick and choose my spots with my pressure, and
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: I'm going to just rely on him not being able
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: to pick us apart.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, if Chase On plays like he's been playing,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: maybe they can still get pressure with four. I don't
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: know if he's going to have a picnic back there.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: If you don't try to bring some extra heat on
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: him because it's a really good offensive line. They have
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: two first team All pros.
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: Nix was only sack twenty two times all year.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: It's two.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: That's a pretty low number.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Two first team All pros. You know, Garrett Brough bowls
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: at left tackle, miners the left guard, right guard. Now
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: the center's hurt, so that that's one area that you know.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: They were on their third string center in overtime against
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Buffalo last week. I don't know if it's going to
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: be the backup or the third string, but maybe if
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: you put Barmore or Williams right over the center and
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: have him rush on that guy, then you could get
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: some pressure with the four man rushes. But I think
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: you risk the fact of like him just kind of
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: sitting there with all day.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: And we've seen some bad quarterbacks go down the field
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: on this defense. Not to say that they're the same
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: defense right now, but that I mean, I get what
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Paul's saying, and I do agree with spinning the dial
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: a little bit. There were times I thought where they
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you know, dropped everybody out rushed three last week that
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you know, caught CJ. Stroud off guard. But I agree
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: with Evan that was the point I was going to make.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, their their offensive line is really really good,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: you know, but they don't really have like a go
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to weapon either right now. Like you know, if I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: had stid him and I felt great about my running
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: back JK. Dobbins. Is they activated him off of you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: designated to return, so he might come back. But you
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: know what's up with Troy Franklin. He went out of
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: that game. He's I mean, he's a pretty reliable, dangerous
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: piece there in the slot. So but is he can
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: be able to push it downfield the court and something
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: and Marvin Mims and a from Little Jordan, Little Jordan Humphrey.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Jordan Humphrey.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that that's the one thing that
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: you know, just looking at the matchup, like they became
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: very pass heavy this year with bo Nicks their top
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: ten in pass right, they're top ten and drop backs
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: per game, I think they're like seventh or eighth in
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: the league and drop backs per game. So when you
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: look at their team, you know, they threw the ball
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: seventy three percent of the time against Buffalo on first
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: and second down last week. They're not going to be
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: able to do that with a backup quarterback, Like, they're
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: going to have to find some sort of run game
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: to balance it out, because if you ask Jared Sidham
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: to drop back fifty times on Sunday, then the Patriots
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: will blow them out. So, like, you have to find
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: a different way to do it, I think, and I
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: think that's the most interesting part of this matchup to me,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: is like, how does can Denver find a running game
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: that is productive to kind of offset the fact that
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: they don't have a quarterback that they can drop back
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I thought Tongo looked pretty good too. He looked like
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: the guy.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: You could say a name on that defense and you
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: would be like, yep, that guy played right. Like literally
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: every single.
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: Offense the defense was was very impressive. And you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: one thing to keep in mind here too, is you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: the Patriots got fortunate with the concussion protocol last week
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: with Gonzo, who responded with another really solid game. Now
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: you have to worry about what Carlton Davis's situation is
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: going to be. I guess we'll probably learn a little
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: bit more about that tomorrow.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Yep, But it sounds like from you guys, if you're
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: gonna miss have a game where you're going to miss
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: your cornerback. This is it.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: But you still I mean, I mean, I am going
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: to say it's still the AFC Championship game, right when
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: you when you take when you take your good players.
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: So I'm very consistent when you take your good players
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: out of the lineup, and it generally weakens your team.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: So I say, Carlton Davis out of the lineup makes
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: the Patriots secondary less dangerous than it was last.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Week, for sure. And I mean I think I would
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I would worry about him chucking it up to Mims
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: running down field. I mean, they might get to a
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: certain point where they're desperate, but those are some big
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: body guys that can who we saw last week, they
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: can make Playston's a good player.
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, he's not the most consistent, like number
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: one guy out there, but.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: A lot of passes for a number one guy.
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: But he's you know, he's you know, a volume guy
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: who averages you know, about fourteen yards of catch. That's
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: pretty good numbers.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: I would assume that, you know, last week, they didn't
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: shadow the receivers because Nico Collins didn't play in the game,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: and so there's really no reason for it. I think
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Gonzo's got Cortland Sutton in this game, Like I think
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: you have him travel with Courton Sutherland because you know
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: that that's really the engine of their passing game is him.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: And I would also say, like Harvey out of the
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: backfield is sneaky good yep as a scat back, so
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: you have to be careful about little dump offs into
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the flats, especially with a backup quarterback like those are
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: those are a quarterback's best friend. When you throw the ball,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: you know, to your scrimmage and the guy breaks the
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: tackle and goes for twenty, so you know he's he's
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: that's on my.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: Playing overtime too. Is that one that got the drive going?
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: Really?
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: He made a couple of guys miss ended up picking
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: up about fifteen yards and that's when then the passing
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: appearances came and the game was over.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Very McDermott got fired, very very.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Quickly coaching Cage.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: So the red al ray all right.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah McDermott out halfway now the head coach of Miami yep, yep,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Sala got hired Titans coach of the Titans. Who else got.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Hired other than Harbaughs? So far that in Atlanta, right, fans.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think four of those jobs are filled, but
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: now there's still six openings.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel like the Titans were trying to
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: get like I was calling them t move Rabel, Like
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: they're like, let's get the let's get the Rabel kind
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: of guy back again.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: You know, I can't believe the Bills fired McDermott and
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: promoted Brendan Bean like that to me is absolutely crazy.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: They he literally failed up like I I like it's
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: his fault. Like the team, the roster is not as
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: good as it used to be, So I don't really
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: understand how the GM the first right is the one
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: that that survives that. But that's something. They're gonna open
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: a new stadium and they have no idea who the coach.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: I know, Tom's really weird that they did that with
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: with being I would have thought that would be a package.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Joe Brady promoted.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Is that possible as possible?
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: It's possible. I think that would be a bad move,
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: but that's that's possible.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: I know Tomlin said he doesn't want to coach this year,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: but I got a feeling that's just posturing, like.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, until the until.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: The until every until every job is filled for it.
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: I think that's in play.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Well, what would you guys do with Josh Allen? I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: just think that's interesting because I think he's had some
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: success with Joe Brady and they had a little bit
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: of a lull with what Dorsey, you know, and they
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: got rid of him and they brought Ready back in,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: like you know, do you I mean, but you kind
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: of have to get a new OC, right, like you
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: can bring back Dah and keep the ocring David.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't want a guy with no head coach experience
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: to inherit what I think is a team that's capable
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: of playing deep in the playoffs. I would want a
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: guy with more even Dable. I know it was only
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: what three years, three and a half years, but it
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: was with the Giants that to me would be more
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: significant than Brady. Plus I know that Allen won an
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: MVP with Brady, but I think he had his best
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: success with Dable. Yeah, so there was something there. I
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: think that worked with Dave Rolman. But either one of
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: those two guys, the more important thing for Buffalo is
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: going to be you have to find someone to run
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: the defense. Because we could talk about Josh Allen's turnovers
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: all you want, they can't. They every one of these
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: playoff games they allow thirty plus points and that's when
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: they go home. And they were supposed to be a
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: defensive oriented team, you know, with a defensive minded head coach.
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: I think that's probably as big a reason as any
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: is why ra is out of a job.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: And their past defense has been great, yeah, and it
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: was great again this year.
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: They can't get pressure, especially when the games are well.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that their scheme, the way that
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: they you know, line up up front, run the same
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: front they've ran for fifteen years, and like at some
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: point it's like, you know, I remember guys on the
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Patriots offensive line being like we're getting the four to
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: three over, like that's what we're getting, and it's like, yeah,
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: you know where the weaknesses are, you know where to
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: run the ball against them. Their run defense has not
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: been very good really at all for the last four
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: or five years. So I'm just surprised that they, like,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: you know, Fred mentioned Tomlin like, well, do you want
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: like that kind of guy, like, because that's what McDermott is, like,
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: do you want the defensive guy, program builder, you know,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: that sort of guy or do you want like the
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: type pants guy that's going to come in.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And really right handcuffed you out Josh to a type
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: pants guy, remake him.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: A little bit right, right, Like, I don't know which
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: way you go. I mean, it's not a great coaching
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: carousel for the type pants guys. There's no Ben Johnson
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: in this group.
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: And I do think Dabel or Brady would be good
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: for Josh Allen, But I'm talking about like what's best
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: for the team as well.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: The guy from Indiana, I don't know. I mean, well, yeah,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: he doesn't want to go.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: I don't think anybody could afford that.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he says is not interested in it.
• 32:00
  Speaker 9: Yet.
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: The money, well, that contract and signs he is. Just
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: that contract that he signed, he just signed like major money.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean and regardless, the defense is going
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: to change. I mean, that's McDermott's defense, So that is
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a given that they're going to have to reconstitute that
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: defense into something.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Evan's point like, they haven't do something about their personnel,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: and they.
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: That's why they promoted the Brandon Bean thing is weird to.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Me, right, and now they might be looking for different
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: personnel too.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Was closed real real quick.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: I was just I was reading something about this this morning,
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: and I had forgotten, like how many times Brandon being
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: got really really pissy with the media, you know, talking
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: about the wide receiver room pretty you know, in this
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: this current offseason, winding about how hard it is, you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: cap wise, like all these things that really aren't things
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: anymore that other teams have been able to overcome. I
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: think it was one of your boys, Evan, Ben Benjamin
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: and Solac. He wrote a really comprehensive piece about like
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: kind of you know, the fall. You know, mcdermot's the
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: fall guy. But you can look at Bean and you
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: can look at Alan himself at some of these shortcomings
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: when it matters most, and some of the quotes from
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: Brandon Bean, like I forgot about some of that stuff,
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: and he just is one of these guys. Nothing's his fault,
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: you see why he stayed. He's sitting next to the
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: Pagoulas and he's saying, I gave him all of this
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: he has that we have this roster. We have that roster.
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: He's not doing anything with him. It's the age old thing,
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: the GM sitting next to the coach.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: All right, eight five to five Pats five hundred is
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com. Sweeney in Providence
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: just a friendly reminder that Paul thinks c. J. Straud
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: is a very good quarterback.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: How he knew that was coming?
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I deserve these I thought he was too, And
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I honestly, I don't know where it is.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: I think the Patriots deserve some credit.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I saw somebody like me, you know, just right.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: He's still trying to get back to that level he
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: had as a rookie. And you know, last year I
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: felt like he was still good, but you know, Dell
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: got hurt. It felt like he was holding things together,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: you know, with a thread. And I just I'm surprised
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: at how he's looked here, feeder and mess.
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: He's I mean, I can't. I don't have anything to
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: say on a positive nature about anything he's done in
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: these two playoff games. He's been awful. But I give
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: the Patriots defense credit for some of the stuff that
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: happened Sunday.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, Chase was just on him so fast. It's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: just forcing bad decisions.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: His feeter and mess like his feet under pressure. He
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: throws from wonky platforms consistently. It's not even just the turnovers,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Like he's just missing flat out missing open receivers.
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: Turnover worthy play number for him.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had six, that's it.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Six.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, felt like he had six in the first quarter
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: and hadn't turned it over right, But you know, he's
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: just It was worse watching it back than it was
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: even live, Like, you know, missing receivers in the end
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: zone on that goal line sequence, he missed two, the one, three.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: To the you know down underneath, and then he came
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: off the front side of a read a little bit
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: too quickly. I think he was sped up at that
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: point then, like you know, missing guys because his feet
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: aren't set properly and he's feeling the pressure come in
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: and his feet are all over the place. I really
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: like Tamika Ryans, and I think he's a great defensive coach,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: but that team's going nowhere.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: The quarterback, they got a lot of work to do
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: with him this offseason. I said it to Evan at halftime,
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: I'd have made the change I was thinking about it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: I would have put Davis Mills in. I don't know
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: what it would have mattered, because I don't think Davis
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: Mills is any good, but to Fred's point about Stidham,
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: I cannot imagine a guy playing a worse game than that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: I was as bad of a performance as I.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Was thinking that first drive, second half, they'd make the decision.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: But he actually looked pretty good on that first drive.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you remember, I mean even at the end
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: of the game when they were backed up in their
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: own end zone and you know, I'm like, oh my god,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: this is scary for these guys right now, letting the
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: first play of the game.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: They rolled him out the first play of the game
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: and he misses.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was That was one I said to Paul
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I know on the postgame show that one of the
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: big differences in this game was that the Patriots recovered
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: too of their own fumbles and they also returned.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Oh listen, that game could have turned very easily, man.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: But the other thing that I think was was a
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: big difference was that the Patriots made three amazing catches
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: on touchdowns and the Texans missed like six layup catches
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: that you know, I'm thinking of at least one where
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: they got him on the back side sleeping again with
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the tight end just sitting there and right through his hands. Yea,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: you know, they had drops and the Patriots made the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: tough catches Jonathan and Fontana.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: One critique I have about the game is a lack
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: of play action for McDaniels. Last week, you guys talked
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: about getting into heavy personnel, taking play action shots deep
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: would have benefited the offense, and I don't remember if
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: we got any of that, and especially with Will Campbells
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: struggles in this game, more play action just made more sense.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: They couldn't run the ball, though, so I don't know
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: if you want to turn your back.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: On I thought that was the only attempted one pass
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: out of the six O line, and I thought they
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: would do more of that. I thought they would put
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: seven eight guys in the protection, run two man routes,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: try to load up the protection, maybe move the pocket
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: a little bit. They did try it once and Will Anson,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Sack and Drake may got through, but it was because
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: the coverage was they got it on the back end.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: They covered it well. But I was a little bit surprised.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: I think play action is an easy crutch of just
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: like when things aren't going well, just call more play action,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Like it doesn't always work like that, But I thought
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: that in this game if you had one critique of McDaniel's,
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: I was surprised there weren't more you know, max protections,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: move the pocket, you know, those types of things.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: I would just say, like, I don't think they played
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: very well offensively. I don't think that the perform you know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: play calls, you know, I would I wouldn't argue with
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: any like what play action the email are saying more
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: moving in the pocket. I do think that they took
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: shots down the field, which I was expecting and hoping for.
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: And I think they did take a handful of shots
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: downfield and had some success with them. I think it
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: was a big part of the game.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: But you know, like.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: One of May's fumbles, the May fumble where he ended
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: up having to it was like a broken play. He
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: hands the ball to no one because he turned the
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: wrong way or the running back went the wrong way.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: I don't know which was which. He then it's a
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: broken play and he sort of recklessly dives forward for
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: no reason and ends up fumbling. Like that's just bad
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: play all around. You missed your assignment. You know, maybe
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: two people maybe.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Like the person out of the belt and.
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: Just take what you know, Okay, the plays it's a
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: blown play, Like we don't have to make like eighteen
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: yards out of this. It's a blown and then you
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: make it bad to worse. You know, Evan talked about
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: some of the times in the pocket where the pressure
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: wasn't quote unquote that bad. One of them I think
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: looked like it was supposed to get me out really quick,
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: Like the linemen looked like they were cutting and he
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: ended up holding the ball. Mike, you talked about the
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: one when he kind of drifted himself into Morgan Moses
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: and they got pushed back and that led to one
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: of the fumbles. They just didn't play that well. Like
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: we can blame it on Josh, but I think that
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: they need to play better period.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Also not just a quarterback. Some of the pocket maneuvering
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: mechanics from May, some of it has reverted back to
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: rookie season stuff where he's drifting, where he's not cognizant
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: of where the pressure points are. Look when Will Anderson
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: comes off the blind side in like a half a second,
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: like there's nothing you can do about that. But you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: I thought on the other two strip sacks, you know,
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: having some sense of where the pressure is and how
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: much time you've spent in the pocket and at some point,
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: like it's time to get two hands on the ball
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: and either take a sack or try to scuore it
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: out or something. But you got to protect the football.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: I thought two of the three strip sacks he tried
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: to load up and I don't even know where he
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: was throwing the ball, like he was trying to throw
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: it down the field and he's loaded up, and Will
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Anderson and Daniel Hunter are just on top of them,
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: and it's like, you know, those are the ones that
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: can't happen.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: To defend Josh again. Like, so you had that drive
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: I want to say, late in the third quarter, which
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: he started off with one of those little sort of
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: misdirection boots get him out of the pocket, little dumped
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: to Austin Hooper, a nice drive started like fifteen yards.
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: Then I think they tried a similar concept on the
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: next play and it didn't work as well. Like that's
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: the play that Will Anderson almost took his head off,
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: or you know, I think it was Will Anderson. So
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: when you're playing against teams like that, they're good too,
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: so you can try a lot of different things. I mean,
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: Mike made I think the best point. The three touchdowns
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: were really well defended, and the throws were good, and
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: the catches were even better, and in the case of Booty's,
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: was one of the best catches you'll ever see. Those
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: Those are three dynamite catches by Diggs, Booty and I.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Don't think people elite.
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: I don't think people realize how good the catch that
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: Douglas made. That ball got tipped and he maintained his
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: concentration and was able to catch it and stride and score.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: We talked about it on the post game show. Every
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: play was contested. See a defense, the defensive live, So
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: you got to give him their praise. The Texans their defense.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Well, and is a man amongst boys, Like I'm watching
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: him is just the same thing last year. I mean,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: you block him for a second, he ain't. That's as
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: much as you're gonna get because he is like a
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: magnet to the ball. It's it's it's fun to watch,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I mean it really is, especially when you win. You
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: don't have to think about him destroying your head.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: You know, to give away the ball as many times
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: the Patriots did and still beat them. No, it's and
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: that's they got just must be pretty good, all right,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: A lot of blind.
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: The Patriots covered the fumbles right, A.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Lot of a lot of blind going uh on. In
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: the emails, uh Dylan writes in my favorite part of
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: the pu shows is when I write in, is when
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: I get to watch Paul pooh pooh my takes and
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: then Evan goes to the locker room and Paul complains
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: about Evan poop pooing his takes. Last week, I wrote
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: in saying I had no faith in Stroud and outside
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: of the scoreboard, I thought the defense could step up
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: against the Texans, and I stand by it, fully aware
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: that Paul will also poo poo this take as well.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Now you're wrong, right.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Every time we make an opposing QB play bad, it's
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: because of that QB and not because of our defense.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: But that's okay. Every team needs some motivation and I'm
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: glad that our defense will continue to be underrated moving forward. Deuce,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: not sure if it was intentional, but the most postgame interview,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: but the postgame interview with Splain where you're stuck in
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: a reference to Splain leading them was hilarious. I whispered,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: lead them, Did you know you were doing that?
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I heard it, and I said, oh, I didn't consciously.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Do it, really, but I got credit to my subconscious
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: for getting it in there.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Someone else pointed out and I was like, I did, Yeah,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: all right, good I heard it.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Lastly, Can you imagine if back in July after training camp,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: I said to you, I hope Mac Collins went back
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: from injured reserve before the AFHC Championship game. That's an
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: important piece of the offense. It's amazing how far we've
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: come in six months. What an amazing season for a fan.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: I hope Mac Collins is out there too. I think
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: that that has mattered. I'm not saying he's prime Randy Moss,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: but I think, yeah, you know, his big contested body,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: you know the catch radius like over the middle of
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: the field, especially like they haven't really been able to
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: hit those like deep digs and stuff like that over
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: the middle of the field.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: You feel a little better when you're sending him to
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: dig out the nickel rather than you see. I mean
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: all effort, for sure, but when it's a guy who's
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: like six.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Or five, and I think Josh McDaniels is going to
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: be happy to have him back too, because it sounds
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: from what he's saying that he gives him options like
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: he's kind of his chess piece.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely bad. I think we've all come
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: to that.
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: I think they've really missed them in the run game
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: for sure.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that he's been missed.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: So like he can practice this week. Yeah, like there's
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: no guarantee he's gonna play though.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Poor practice.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: No no, And Rabel pointed out Josh Farmer too, not
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: that he's an impact player.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, make sure listen.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: One thing I will say about the defensive front, and
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Rabel has mentioned it, like they it's heavy substitution patterns,
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: and I think Rabel thinks that that's really helping them.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Guys are coming off fresh, they're coming in. He's putting him,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: you know, in or Core Kerra. You always say Core,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: it's Core. Yeah, he's putting him in in places to succeed,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: you know, like this is what he's good at, this
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: is the situation. And I remember like guys like Jarvis Green,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: those were guys like you'd be put in a spot
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: that was good for him and he'd succeed. And I
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: think that's what's happening we're seeing.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: I mean they played five guys. They played five guys
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: on the interior at least, and like Milton, Williams and
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: barn were still play a ton of snaps, you know,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Tonga and Durden were more like fifty to fifty in
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: this game. And Durden's been really, really good. And then
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: like Leonard Taylor kind of like plays like his like
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: ten or fifteen just to kind of spell the other guys.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: But it's really those big four, you know, now Tonga's back,
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: you know, Barmore, Williams, Dirden, Tonga, Yeah, Ponder, Ponder plays
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: on the edge.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm including the edge in the front.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Well, so that's Chase on and then on the other
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: side you have Ponder and Jennings and whatever's left of
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Harold Landry.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I include the whole liveing, not just the interior.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, so I guess then they play eight guyes.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet I would say your point, Fred, the
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the amount of energy that they asked these guys to
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: play with, I think, you know, you want to have
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: that rotation. And you know, a guy like Dirten who's
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: emerged and gotten some extra playing time. I mean, he's
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: not going to be a superstar, but when you have
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: some depth that you feel good. I mean, Evan said that.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: What I thought is just no matter who you put
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: in there, they're all kind of playing together. And you know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: they don't have the superstar talent that the Texans had
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: last week. But when a defense all plays together and
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: they're all aggressive and there aren't you know, guys getting
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: pushed back and seams in the front, the sound football defense,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: it's fun to watch. And that's what they're playing right now.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: I would definitely take the Patriots interior guys over Houston's.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, their edge guys are obviously a lot better,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: but I think the Patriots interior defensive line is one
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: of the best in the league.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Rick in Kentucky. What's up, Rick.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Hey?
• 45:52
  Speaker 10: Rick Hey, guys, I'm I'm pretty pretty much an overly
• 46:02
  Speaker 10: compassionate guy, and.
• 46:03
  Speaker 11: There's one person that I'm really happy for with this
• 46:07
  Speaker 11: year's run, and that's Mike do So because when Mike
• 46:12
  Speaker 11: joined the crew, things went to the crapper. If I
• 46:19
  Speaker 11: was would have thought, darn, am I a Mike jinking
• 46:22
  Speaker 11: this thing? I mean, I mean that the team was
• 46:25
  Speaker 11: winning games with their eyes closed since the Linked administration
• 46:30
  Speaker 11: and enter Mike, and then then so I'm I'm Mike,
• 46:33
  Speaker 11: I'm happy for you. I'm serious, I'm serious, I'm serious,
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: I'm serious, and I'm going to do something that, uh,
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: I'm going to be a hypocrite because when Patriot fans
• 46:47
  Speaker 11: do this it drives me crazy. I'm going to ask you, guys,
• 46:53
  Speaker 11: who are we rooting for if we win?
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Because I'm Seattle rooting for Seattle. I want no part
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: of that Seahawks team.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: No, So okay, so you know we'll play your game?
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Thanks?
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Who do we want to.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: What do we want to watch? I want Seattle?
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: What do you two want?
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I'm torn because I love Seattle.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: There's nothing torn about this. I can't believe you said.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: From perspective, which is that you want the Patriot a
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: matchup for the Patriots, and I respect.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: So what would be easy?
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I can't believe I would have said, give me the Rams.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: But now with Sharbone out, he's their second best offensive player.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: No he's not. Yeah, Jon and Kenneth Walker their two
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: best I think.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I think is I think he's better than Kenneth Walker too.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: You think he's better than Kenneth Walker?
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: You guys watched the value to the team.
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: I think Sharbon a obviously not watching any of the offense.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: If you're afraid of them.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: I didn't say I was afraid of them, but I mean, so,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: so you think Sharbon is better than ken Walker.
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: I think they're both running.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Offense lately.
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, I think he's given him more more plays. Paul,
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: you're correct, So I mean it's an opinion, So I
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: think you're wrong. Has that sound.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Way more dynamic with him out?
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: I'm a little less, but there's there. Their offense. I mean,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: their defense is ferocious. So that's why I'm scared of
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: the Seahawks Rams. On the other hand, I mean their offense,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: the people they have on it, Like, yeah, I'm glad
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: that our Patriots defense is playing the way it is
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: right now. Because you're either team, you're gonna need like
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: herculean effort to be either one of those teams. Puka
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Naku is the best offensive player in the league probably,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I mean last year. I watching the catches he comes
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: down with consistently.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: I get.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I get the point of I think the Seattle's defense
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: is probably the best unit left in the playoff, So
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a stretch to say that,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and I respect Mike McDonald's on there. I also like
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks, and I have friends who and so there's
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: just a you know, there's the nonsense part that you
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: know these guys don't enjoy. But for me, I think
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: that's a cool rematch. I know the Rams would be
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: round three in the super Bowl, so he's kind of
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: seen that a couple of times. But i'd also think
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: stam donald in the super Bowl.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: Well that's the we'll see, we'll see.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: That's why I picked Seattle.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I understand picking Seattle for for that reason.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: I just think Seattle in all three phases, has a
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: chance to do what they just did to San Francisco.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: On any given week, I think you're going to be
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: more in a in a in a fight with the Rams,
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: like I think that that's a game that probably comes
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: down to the wire. Seattle, I think has a chance
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: to bo race pretty much every.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Either either team. The Patriots will be the underdog, yeah
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: going in. Yeah, and I think it's sobbing rooting for
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: injuries in the NFC Championship.
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: As auffs, you don't want to hear this, so Seattle
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: and the Rams and the look aheadline are favored by
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: three and a half over the Patriots.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Both teams will be favored by three and halfs I were.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Saying, correct, and the Patriots of the home team.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: That's a lot of It's kind of a lot of
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: respect for the Patriots. I'm surprised that that that's all.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: It is, like a little bit Seattle is scare.
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: Didn't want to talk about what the lines is for
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: a Super Bowl. The Patriots haven't qualified for you?
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, I can't look at Drake's performances the last
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: two games and not think about if you were to
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: face that Seattle defense, of how much more you would
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: need out of him, and that that whole offense would
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: just have to pull together in a way that maybe
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: we have any.
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: Maybe I'm wrong, but I look at it exactly the
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: opposite way I look at Seattle doesn't make you have
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: to do that. The Rams probably will. The Rams will
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: probably make you have to keep up. The Rams defense
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: is not as good as Seattle. No, I don't think
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: anybody would argue otherwise. Seattle's defense is much better than
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: the Rams. But the Rams offense probably is going to
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: make you keep up, and that's what's going to to
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: me put more pressure on Drake May. Either you can play,
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: you know, a workman like, you know, keep it out
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: of harm's way kind of game and have a puncher
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: his chance against Seattle easily as long as you just
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: don't ruin the game on your own.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm referring more to it that you can't fumble
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: the four times no matter.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Which I don't. You know, it was a baseline that.
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: It's much like you know, for all the for all
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: the heat opinions, for.
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: All the heat I got for the c J. Stroud thing,
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: and bring it like I was wrong. I couldn't have
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: been more wrong. I said a million times, if he
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: fumbles five times and throws a pick again, they're going
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: to lose.
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: Now.
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: I didn't think he would do that again.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: He did so again. If Drake May fumbles four times
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: and throws another pick, they're going to lose. They're probably
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: not going to get away with that again. But I
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: don't think he will because I think he's been too good.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: And am I sleeping? Are people sleeping on the Rams defense?
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: Do?
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: We don't like the Rams defense? Remember them?
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: But it's not.
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: The secondary. Yeah kind of thinking different. Yeah Turner, Yeah,
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: guy from Everett, the rookie from Everett, Josiah Stewart's been
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: pretty good for them.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Dance Daytona. What's up Dan?
• 52:30
  Speaker 12: Can you guys hear me?
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 52:31
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Hey, So that game was amazing. I ain't gonna lie.
• 52:36
  Speaker 12: Besides all the obviously the turnervers by Drake, I was
• 52:39
  Speaker 12: really shocked to see that.
• 52:40
  Speaker 11: Again.
• 52:40
  Speaker 12: I thought he would would have cleaned it up coming
• 52:43
  Speaker 12: off the Chargers, but it's kind of as I expected.
• 52:47
  Speaker 10: Houston.
• 52:48
  Speaker 12: That was a Vauntage defense Like that was crazy, like
• 52:51
  Speaker 12: seeing Drake under the rest and then seeing Booty and
• 52:56
  Speaker 12: and the digs making the catches. But to your point,
• 52:59
  Speaker 12: Paul and Evan and you've fred, I would not be
• 53:04
  Speaker 12: scared of either team's defense. The reason I say that
• 53:08
  Speaker 12: is because, yeah, Seattle does have a great defense. Rams
• 53:13
  Speaker 12: have a decent defense too. But if we're able to
• 53:16
  Speaker 12: play like we've been playing these last two games, we
• 53:19
  Speaker 12: you know it shut All these national media is up.
• 53:22
  Speaker 12: Like I don't know if you saw the posts from
• 53:24
  Speaker 12: ESPN they posted all of them picking against the Patriots.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I hadn't seen it.
• 53:30
  Speaker 12: Yeah, they posted that makes that makes Drake May and
• 53:35
  Speaker 12: Mike Rabele and the Patriots look good if if they
• 53:37
  Speaker 12: can show out comes February eighth, and even in against Denver.
• 53:42
  Speaker 12: So that's all I have to say. But I think
• 53:44
  Speaker 12: the Patriots could take either or. And everybody being scared
• 53:47
  Speaker 12: of the Sea Hawks or the Rams. I think it's ridiculous.
• 53:49
  Speaker 12: It's professional football.
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: Okay, thanks Dan Israel, I'll defend you, Fred. I don't
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: think people are saying they're scared, no, scre It's like, which,
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: you know, I think there's a reasonable.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: I am scared. The team isn't scared.
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: No. But I don't even think like most people that
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: talk about this stuff when they say, like I would,
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: you know, I would rather play the Rams than the Seahawks,
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: or the Seahawks than the Rams. It's not like, oh,
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: I'm afraid of playing the other one. I'm you know.
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: And again, like the offensive performances in these two games
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: isn't probably going to be good enough, but they need
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: to play better offense.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: As Christians in la Hey Christian.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Hey, you guys, Hey, you guys, hey, you guys.
• 54:31
  Speaker 10: You know what I am.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: I'm a little bit angry today for a couple of reasons.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: One is the national media and this dialogue, especially led
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: by this Kyle Brandt on.
• 54:41
  Speaker 10: Good Morning Football.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Whatever it is, what's he doing?
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: They have this the dialogue that the Patriots might be
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: the first team to make it to the super Bowl
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: without having played anybody or without having played a complete team.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: And if we win the super Bowl, we should have
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: an asterbisk next to our name.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: Who said that? No one said they should have an asterisk.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Kyle, Kyle Brent said that this morning.
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: Mike, that's Mike's friend, He'll he'll talk to him.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Kyle brand said that the Patriots should have an asterisk
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: next to their.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: He said those exact words.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Why, well, why did he say that?
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Because we haven't played a complete team yet in the playoffs.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: That's our fault, that seems.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: I thought going in the charges were a pretty well
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: rounded team, their offensive just.
• 55:25
  Speaker 13: Staying okay, they had the two linemen out right, yeah,
• 55:29
  Speaker 13: and then with the textives they had their guys out
• 55:32
  Speaker 13: and now Jared's didn't going to be out that that's
• 55:35
  Speaker 13: not something that.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: We that we chose as a team. So why why
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: should he say that, Well we win, it should be
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: asked because we haven't played a complete team.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: I don't you have to call him and ask him.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, Kyle br I thought he was a
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: nice guy. He's not nice anymore.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: It's not nice anymore.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: In my book, he's on our list. Go get them,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Patriots fans.
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: You're right, Fred, We're back and you guys are Yeah.
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: It doesn't mean what other people's opinions. When other people
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: have opinions that are different than mine, they they don't
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: really piss me off.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Disrespect though, disrespect Christian.
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: What difference does it make if you can control it
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: that he thinks that they haven't really been like pressed
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: against a really well rounded team, Like what what? What
• 56:23
  Speaker 6: if that's his opinion, what does it have to do
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: with what the Patriots can control?
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: Fair and not. They're going to have to I mean,
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: they're gonna have to finish it, finish it, like they're
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: gonna have to win the super Bowl to shut all
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: these people up.
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: Even so, just for argument's sake, if the Patriots were
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: to were to win against Denver, and that's all anybody's
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: talking about, like you should you not go to the
• 56:42
  Speaker 6: super Bowl?
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Like who cares? Who cares?
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: I've already think to the super Bowl. But you know
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: the fact that the national you're going.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: To scold him to this morning.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't worry about it, Christian.
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: That's the very essence of him.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: We all we got, we all we need, we don't
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: need them. Thanks, thanks for the call.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Got under my skin yesterday. So I get it all right,
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: I getvan.
• 57:08
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  Speaker 8: Where's your self fixing patriots here?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: I might right?
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  Speaker 4: Wondering if you can share any recollections about play in Denver,
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: and if there's any kind of.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Different way you need to prepare them given the altitude.
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  Speaker 16: Other than going out there last Thursday, which wouldn't have
• 59:20
  Speaker 16: been an ideal situation considering we had to play last night.
• 59:24
  Speaker 16: But you know, I think just physiologically, you have to
• 59:27
  Speaker 16: be at altitude for for longer than a day or
• 59:30
  Speaker 16: two or three. I mean, it takes it takes time
• 59:33
  Speaker 16: to do that. And you know, so we'll do what
• 59:38
  Speaker 16: we've always done. We'll travel and be in condition and
• 59:41
  Speaker 16: be ready to play. And that's kind of about what
• 59:44
  Speaker 16: it is.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: My key back Hollins back answer.
• 59:49
  Speaker 8: I can't be certainty right now.
• 59:51
  Speaker 16: We're just still working through everything with some of those
• 59:54
  Speaker 16: guys that could be back. Josh Farmer could be eligible
• 59:57
  Speaker 16: to come back as well as Mac. Right, you know,
• 59:59
  Speaker 16: the those aren't decisions that we've made yet.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: You elaborate some more on light.
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  Speaker 17: It's the important team to get into the funnel after
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  Speaker 17: the game and a great players as that come off
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  Speaker 17: the fields.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, I've done this since twenty and eighteen. I just
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 16: you know, these guys, this is a tough game. It's
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 16: a physical game. It's uh, you know, they're beat up,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 16: they're banged up, and I want to thank them. It's
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 16: a good opportunity in order to see him. May not
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 16: have the opportunity to go around to see each and
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 16: every one of them after the game, So I feel
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 16: like that's a good chance to to thank them and
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 16: be appreciative of their efforts, whether we win or lose.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 9: Coach yesterday Drake by oas Here said, he's still getting
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 9: adjusted to your sudecast as a coach.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 8: Said, he still your side chasm.
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  Speaker 18: How do you cite that balance between being the guy
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 18: that place get proached but also making sure.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: You're still act.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean I try to be as approachable as possible.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 16: I try to, you know, I think the biggest thing
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 16: is getting out of your office. You know, whether the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 16: door to your office is always open still doesn't mean
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 16: they want to come in and.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 8: Sit down and talk.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 16: So trying to find places and meet them where they're at,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 16: being meeting rooms.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 8: Being a cafeteria, be in the weight room, places like that.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 17: Like you've talked about him before, but where have you
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 17: seen Kaisha Booney develop most this year?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 10: Uh?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 8: Probably just his versatility.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 16: I think he you know, he's an easy learner, could
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 16: play a bunch of different spots if we asked him to.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 16: But also, you know, I wasn't around Kishon before this year, right,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 16: so I don't have anything to go off of.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: I just know that he's.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 16: Very unselfish, that he makes the most of his opportunities,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 16: seems to be and has been highly competitive player, doesn't
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 16: say a whole lot and does his work, has always been.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: Accountable, and there is.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 16: Where he needs to be when he needs to be there,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 16: and you notice his actions. You don't necessarily hear him,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 16: and that's just his personality, but you could certainly see
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 16: that his identity when he plays is exactly what we
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 16: want with kind of key Sean.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 17: He obviously, like you said, you never worked with when
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 17: you join a team and those players we've been there before.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 17: How do you balance having an open mind about that
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 17: player but also getting as much information about him as
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 17: possible from people who were with him the past few years.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean I think we tried to, you know,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 16: listen to people that had been around some of the
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 16: players that we had on the roster getting here. But
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 16: then it's usually best to just kind of go by
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 16: what you see and what you experience as opposed to
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 16: what you hear sent fourth.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Down to play early in the game, that touchdown to Pop.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: What makes him a trustworthy player in a situation like that.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 16: Yere, You know, I think that that just goes back
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 16: to training camp, goes back to the OTAs Pop. He
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 16: has really done a nice job and being ready to go.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 16: And I know that like every other receiver, I wish
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 16: that they had more snaps, and they wish they had
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 16: more targets, and you know, by taking advantage of the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 16: ones that he gets, which he has done, you know,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 16: we have to continue to find ways to get him
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 16: to football.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 8: And have them help us.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 16: So I think that that's just the confidence that's been
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 16: built up through through training camp, in the off season.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 10: Mark this morning on radio, you mentioned that you gets
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 10: an AUSSM work on.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: Jared said, I'm just curious what you saw from him
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: as a quarterback when you were doing that work.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 16: Well, I guess it was kind of ironic, you know,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 16: just speaking with his agent, they're like, well, if you
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 16: don't want you're starting to get hurt hired signed jareded
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 16: because that was.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 8: Before you know, yesterday or too days ago.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 16: You know, just going back to when Josh had him
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 16: and playing against that. I just think he sees things
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 16: really well. I think he's athletic enough to extend. Like
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 16: we talk about a lot of quarterbacks, the accuracy. I
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 16: think the decision making is really decisive in the games
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 16: that that we went back and watched. And this is
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 16: even going back to when I was in Tennessee as well.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Like your t that's a really good road record.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 18: It seems like the guys like going out on the road.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 15: How do you feel they do and prepare in a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 15: type of challenge in a hostile environment.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 16: And I just think that they really focus in on
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 16: on the road environment, like you said, of starting you
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 16: know well and not beating ourselves and trying to be
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 16: good at the line of scrimmage and the communication offensively
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 16: that's required to make sure that everybody's on the same
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 16: page and that the snap count is good and that
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 16: guys are moving when they're supposed to be moving. I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 16: think we've x cut it in some critical situations when
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 16: we've needed to on the road, and those are things
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 16: that are important.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 8: Why has it seem been so good this year at
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: seizing momentum and maintaining because you know what football is.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 8: On basketball, there's no ten o runs. When you guys
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: have been able to get momentum, you've been able to
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 8: keep it on your sideline. Who's the keep into you
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 8: being able to do that?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 16: I think the guys don't get too high or too low.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 16: I mean, hopefully we can understand that we can feed
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 16: off each other but also pick each other up. You know,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 16: the defense has been doing that a little bit lately,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 16: and we have to do a better job of not
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 16: making it be a sudden change, but making it be
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 16: complimentary and when the offense is rolling, getting the ball
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 16: back to them quickly. But also if the situation arises
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 16: that we have to go out there and play defense
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 16: you know in a you know, short notice, that we're
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 16: able to do that as well, and then offensively we
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 16: can strength some drives together and the special teams continue
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 16: to try to set the table.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: Mike, You've had to face two of the better defenses
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: in the playoffs in the.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Chargers and Pisons.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 10: Where do you fit Denvers defense in that?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 16: Well, then again they'll be the best defense and we've
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 16: played to date because it's the next one, I mean,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 16: that's just how this goes.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 8: Or playing a lot of confidence.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 16: They're good on the perimeter, we're really good up front
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 16: and the athleticism, their size, they put a lot of
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 16: pressure on you. So you know, that's just how this
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 16: thing goes. Each and every week they get tougher.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Guy John's question, is keeping your composure of something you
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: preach and maybe rep in practice or is that more
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: about the guys that.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 16: You have to Well, I mean, I think we try
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 16: to preach it. I mean we try to take guys
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 16: to the line. I mean, we can't finish longer than
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 16: the guy with the ball and play full tilt to
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 16: the tackle, and you know, we try to take them
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 16: to the edge and ask them to pull off and
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 16: and not do anything after the whistle and not be
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 16: the second guy in and make great decisions.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 8: And sometimes that's hard. This is an emotional game.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 16: But for the most part, I think we've made great
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 16: decisions and has been able to do that and not
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 16: do anything.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 8: That that would affect the team after the whistle.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: And now great moments in.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: History. We don't know where Eric is. We're not sure.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: We're not sure where Eric is, but he's not on
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: the show today.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 9: I really want to know if he knows who the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 9: Patriots new quarterback is.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: I think that's fascinating. I'm so with Megan on that.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: I think there's at least a fifty to fifty shot
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: that he does not.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: He hasn't heard yet. Eric's vacations are kind of like
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: the Patriots reported to camp for the public, we know,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: like camp starts on a certain day, but for the team,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: like there's a day before that for conditioning, and then
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: there's a day that rookie injured. Godation, Like it's not
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: just the days he's on the vacation, it's like he
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: needs a day in the front end to get ready,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: he needs a day in the back end to reacclimate.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: So it's a lot. It's always longer than you think
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: It's got to get all his sweaters. Yeah, that's another
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: great moment.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered eight five to
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• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: the email address Mark and fall River Rights. And first,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: I'd like to express my condolences to Evan. We know
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: his feelings on a team making the conference championship game
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: and having to pick at the end of the first
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: round for the next draft. Sorry, v maybe next year
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: will be better.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Like that now, he doesn't like it.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: I at least laugh when they make fun of me
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: for saying CJ. Strod is good.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: That was good. Second, I know it's been talked about extensively,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: but how much of a profit does Mike Rabel look
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: like when the very first thing I remember him saying
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: this year is we're going to take advantage of bad football.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: This was goal number one, and it has defined their season.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: I wonder if Rabel has the same aura that was
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: around Belichick when it comes to game planning, with players
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: saying we felt like we knew what was coming. That
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: could be helpful in attracting good players, and I think
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: Rabel has shown that this year. You guys heard players mention.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: That a little bit. I think that it's more about
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: motivation with him than it is inspiration.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, motivate, you're gonna inspire it whatever.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: It's more about inspira, is it inspira?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 14: Like?
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: You know, after the game on Sunday, not that they're
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: not prepared and all that stuff, but after the game
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: on Sunday, all the players kept talking about how much
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: of Rabel was telling them, well, there's only one good
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: defense that's going to be out there on Sunday and
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: it belongs to Houston, you know, like like little things
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: like that just to kind of like get the defense
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: motivated or inspired or whatever the hell term he uses.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: And it's touff, you know, Like I think that his
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: days as a as a player help him sort of
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: know what buttons to push in that regard, Whereas I
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: think Bill got people confident because of how prepared they were,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: you know, And I think that there's maybe a little
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: bit of a difference there. Not again not saying that
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: they're not prepared now, but it's just he relates to
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: them a little bit more. I think on on the
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: human level. I noticed that.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: But I would imagine that Brabel has took some stuff
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: from Belichick.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: I think pare the sort of uh details of the
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: things they can't control, whether altitude next week, you know,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: those types of things like he was asked yesterday about
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: the altitude and he already knew how long it would
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: take to acclimate to altitude, so they already had researched
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: all of that and whether or not going out early
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: was going to be worth it or not. That's very Belichick, right,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: like that that they know those kinds of like little
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: scientific details.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I clocked one thing to clocked it, noticed it tracked.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Brabel said, I think might have been his postgame press
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: conference talking about putting him in pads last week and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: how the players embraced that, and you know, it seemed
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: a little bit more like putting those guys in pads
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: was like a feeling out process and selling it on them,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: where I feel like maybe with Bill it was like,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: weren't pats today? Shut the f up?
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: You know, of course, what do you think this is
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: the physical gaming? Tyler and Georgia. With the turnover fest
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: that was this past Sunday, I don't think I've ever
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: watched a game that felt so never in doubt and
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: constantly in doubt at the same time. Fortunately, I have
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: zero concerns about this upcoming Sunday because there is absolutely
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: no way the NFL will allow the Broncos to win.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: The Logistics of having to move the Super Bowl to
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: Denver at the last minute would be a night.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: I didn't know which way that was good, Tyler.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: It was very well done, but it could have gone
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 6: a different way. Yeah, I mean, there's no way the
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: NFL is going to let Jared's Broncos go and have
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: to have Jared Stidham play in the Super Bowl. I
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 6: thought he was going yeah, But I like his little
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: twist one that that was well done, playing.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Into the front of it all. Yeah, you've got to
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: go to Denver. You're gonna do anything any traditions there.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: You've been there, what a hundred times? Probably?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been. We've been there a lot. We're going
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: to get in late in the afternoon. There's a street
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: I like to walk down. It's got some nice shops.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: If I have time, you know, yeah, pick something up.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: I also liked his point about the game, like I
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 6: felt the same way. Doubt it was never in doubt,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 6: and then they would do something dumb to put it
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: right back in doubt, right, you know right.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: And then the Patriot would take it another takeaway and
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: it's not that back now.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: And the only way that that they could lose was
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: den Houston scoring on defense.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 6: Right, and the Patriots kept giving them chances to score
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: on defense.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: But I just had never a doubt that the Patriots defense,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: the Patriots defense was not going to give up a
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: thirty two yard bomb to one of the Texans receivers.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: I never thought that, No, but I fumble six was
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: definitely in play.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 6: That would like, at the half, it's twenty one to ten.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 6: I didn't think the game was in doubt at all,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: to be honest, I mean I wouldn't say like full nod,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 6: but like kind of what Evan said, like just don't
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: do anything stupid. And then you go out and you
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: do something stupid, you know, and it's twenty one thirteen
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: and they have a chance to go in and then
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: Woody Marx fumbles it right back and you're like, yeah,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: it was twenty one sixteen in the fourth quarter and
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 6: the game technically was hanging in the balance. I never
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: really felt like it was in the balance, Yeah, because
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 6: I didn't think that Houston was going to be able
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: to put together scoring drives.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: One thing I want to give Patriots fans some kudos
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: for a lot of people on Paul shows in particular,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: I like to say that this crowd doesn't bring it.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: And I thought that both playoff games I thought had
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: two really good crowds. I thought it was loud here.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: I thought that they got the Texans to jump fall
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: start a couple of times. I thought that this was
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: as loud as I've heard it here in quite a
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: bit of time, and it was noticeable that I thought
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: the crowd was into it, and I thought it was
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to go as far as say this
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: is now Arrowhead or Seattle or anything like that, but
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: I didn't think that it was no advance of playing
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: these games at home, and I thought that the crowd
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: did its part.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: It's the more remarkable turnarounds of the season is just
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: how bad at home they've been over the first you know,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: last couple of years. And even that initial game los
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: into the Raiders and then lose into the Steelers. You know,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: you lose two home games in the first three weeks
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: and then to win two playoff games. Yeah, pretty impressive.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: I remember saying like, we got to get the home
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: field advantage back, and they're winning games back here again.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Pensacola. Willie. What's up, Willie? I can't
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: see the dog, Willie. Pensacola completely blocked out? No, okay, goodbye, Willie.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 18: What do you think about them on ticket Master blocking
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 18: New England fans from buying tickets to the game.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, I saw that. I think that's weak. Yeah, I
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: mean the fact that they have tickets available is weak,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: but that they're not allowing people outside of those zip
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: codes to buy them. You know, whatever, you know, if
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: that's what you feel you have to do. Okay, that's
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: that's how I got around at No. Six with the
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: charge as they did the same thing. But I was
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: in California resident at the time, so I was able
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: to get those things. But you know, you've got tickets available.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: I guess I don't know.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: To go around.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about it. Look elsewhere.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: Give me an email, Christian Chris with a T, I
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: A N.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: What's up?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 9: This is incredible. You know, just uh got to keep
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 9: it going. Can't stop now. Victims of their own success. Man,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 9: we got to take this thing all the way. This
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 9: is fantastic and I just you know, I wanted to
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 9: call it just to really to thank ownership. We're here
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 9: because of Robert, and Robert made a quick decision to
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 9: move on last year, made a significant financial commitment. Yeah,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 9: he's got the money, but a lot of owners woudn't
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 9: want to spend the money to do what he had
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 9: to do to pay off. But we had to payoff
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 9: to get off the coach and staff and bring in
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 9: Braves and then completely go out and dominate the free
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 9: agent market and hit a home run with that, and
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 9: we're here because of ownership. We really are, Like, I'm
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 9: so thankful to have him. We're so lucky to get Drake,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 9: We're so lucky that Rabel was available. Like you look
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 9: at the past few weeks since the season has ended,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 9: and it's been absolute chaos across the league, and I
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 9: just every week it's something, you know, like McDermott yesterday,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 9: you know, last week, Harbaughs, it's and it's you know,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 9: you just did's such a whirlwind and yeah, he's not perfect,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 9: and it's but it's up six years this, you know
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 9: this Brady left. But this is fun. Man. I haven't
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 9: had this much fun in a long time. And just
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 9: so grateful and just got to keep it going. Got
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 9: to keep it going. Can't stop now, got to keep
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 9: it going.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: All right, Thanks graz All right, I mean we talked
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: about it the other night. Every decision it seems they
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: made in the off season was the right one, starting
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: with the decision to move on from Mayo and on
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: to Rabel, and then Rabel and then bringing in McDaniels
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: and Stretch and you know, all these people, all the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: free agents.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: The agency class is unbelievable.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: You know, just everything they've done turned to gold. Yeah,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: and that's rare.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: That is rare to hit on, especially to hit on
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: this many free agents and have them all be good.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: Like if we go back to the twenty twenty one
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: spending spree, like Johnny Smith was not a good signing,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: Nelson al was a pretty average signing, Jalen mill is
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: pretty average, you know, and some of.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: Them worked out Henry with signing and.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: You know, yeah, that was a good class too, But
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: this one has been almost perfect.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean even down to like
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: you know, the Tongas and you know, those types of
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: guys that weren't around, you know, big money expenditures. They've
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: hit on the big ticket items with Millon Williams, they've
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: hit on the small ticket items with guys like Tonga
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: and you know, Garrett Bradberry having a bounce back year.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: They signed Morgan Moses, who was been the best tackle
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: from that free agency class.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: The rivalries uniform, I would add in.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: There great same same thing.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Even some of the holdover players like Kashawan Boudi career year,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hawkins career year, who to keep Who did.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: Not Chase On? Chase On spend the best player on
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: defense the first two weeks of the play.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: He priced is he is he going bye bye? Is
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: he getting Is he making himself enough money in this playoff? That?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: Because you look at what Landry did.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Landry played eleven snaps and I already felt like edge
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: was a huge knee going into this offseason. And now
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: you're looking at you really might need to sign too.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to spend a ton of
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: money this offseason, but if there's one spot to invest,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I would definitely look at the edge spot. And I
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: would definitely look at the safety spot. And I wonder what,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: you know, what kind of market Chase was going to have,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: and I wonder what kind of market Jalen Hawkins is
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: going to happen.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: I think it's a question of a Chase On, like,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: I guess, is this now who he's going to be?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's the first round pick, so the talent
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: was in there. Did Mike Rabold?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Is he just and this defense is good for him?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: It's a great scheme fit. Obviously Rabel is an outside linebacker.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: You know, does he give him coaching that's pushed him
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: over the edge because this was always in there. I
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: mean it was it was as a prospect. It's why
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: he went twentieth overall in his draft. So is this
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: who he is now? Or is he hot at the
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: right time?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 10: Right?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: And you have to be careful by that. Now, Milton
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: Williams did was last year.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 6: Mike's point on that, I agree with you, guys. That's
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: going to be important. Does what he's doing in the playoffs,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 6: because I think you can make an argument that these
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 6: have been his two best games. That's when everybody's watching, right,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: So has that priced him out? You know what I mean?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: You know, not that he's had a bad year. I
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: think he's had a really solid year, but I think
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: he's been really really good in these two playoffs. And
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 6: then someone might look at that and say, we got
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: to get that guy.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: Let's see what he does against Garrett Bulls, you know,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: like going up against Ursery and whatever was that tackle
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: for the Chargers like that?
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: That's not exactly disrespectful.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: But if you do this against the first team all
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: pro on Sunday in the I don't care who's that quarterback?
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: Like if he's beaten bulls that Kyle Brant Junion then uh,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: then you know that that's gonna go a long way.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: And so we'll see. But I think that he's back.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: I think that that's a guy that I would probably
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: look to keep and then probably draft a young edge
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: to pair with him to try to Yeah, you know, groom.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: Let Jennings and Ponder continue to fill out the desk.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: Or the third and fourth guy, and yeah.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I just I think we get it to this end
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: of the season. It's it could be kind of like
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: the hockey thing where and Harry later had knee surgery too,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Like I just am waiting to hear what that actually was,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: right and.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 6: Dealing with So speaking of injuries that we may not
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: know the extent of or not, will Campbell anyone concerned
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: that maybe he's not healthy?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, I hadn't thought about it.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: I had thought about it. It's it's something that you
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: have to keep in the back of your mind because
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: you can't just rip the guy if he's playing on
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: one leg. Like who knows.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: But I think the problem is is that against like
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: really good edge rushers, these are the same problems he
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: was having when he was healthy.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: So I just bring it up. I'm not necessarily weighing
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: in either way. I'm doing that. I want to give him.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: I want to give him the grace I do. But
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: you know, all season long, when he's played, you know,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: that next level up in competition, he's had some of
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: the same issues, especially high side rushers, like guys getting
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: you know, around his edge with the speed and the
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: length and that ability. So I just I wish I
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: could say that that it was all that, but it's
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: kind of the same stuff that's been plaguing him.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 6: Fighting to protect them with everything in our.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: Daft got that right. Paul in the Colony wants to know.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: Does evens still think it's too soon to play in
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: the AC Championship game? Are we setting the franchise back
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: for years to come? Like the Commanders did.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: I really like the track of this see now, that
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: was a better one than the draft one, because what
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: people don't understand about the draft is when they're picking
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: thirtieth is my time to shine because you know who
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: the first five guys are in the draft, but you're
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: not going to know who is going to be drafted.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: You know, once we get out of the first round,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: most people unless you're a nerd like me, or you know,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: no a couple names here or there. This is the
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: type of draft where people like barth or this is
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: where you need him. Don't need him to tell you
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: to draft Rake May and Will Campbell.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: You know, Jordan thinks that the resemblance between the twenty
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: five Patriots and the one Patriots is starting to get weird.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: A team led by a new coach.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: Goes on a magical run to the playoffs with the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: help of a young, up and coming quarterback, with the
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: help of a veteran defense dominating opponents. In the playoffs,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: they win against an opponent in a snow game who
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: many in the media thought they lose to. Their next
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: opponent is an AFC rival who they historically have issues
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: beating away from home, and their potentially potential Super Bowl
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: opponent a Veterans Rams team who boasts the top offense
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: in the league, led by an experienced quarterback with two
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: top wide receivers. All the media will pick the Rams
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: and of course be wrong when the Patriots defeat them
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: to win May and Vrabel's first ring. Just like Radian,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: Belichick didn't know one, Do I smell another dynasty?
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a fair point.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: I don't see a lot of similarities from for one,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: in really year, I didn't say I didn't see any.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 6: I mean he just he just named like a handful
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: of that or similar but I don't I don't really
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 6: see a lot of Yeah, I think it's been a
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: different I mean, this has basically been an offensive driven
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: team with a quarterback who's leading the way as opposed
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 6: to a quarterback who just kind of came in and
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: was a game manager at the time. As much as
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 6: I have all the respect for Brady, he was kind
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 6: of leaning.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: On defense did at times when he had to.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 6: He was great in the clutch. Again, another lack of
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: a similarity, like they haven't had those situations, you know,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 6: And I just think it's it's really different. I think
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 6: it's I don't know. I gets there's some similarities. I
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 6: just don't see it as much as that.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: One or this one. This one.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear what you're saying. And Brady was a
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: sixth round pick versus being the third overall pick in
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: the draft, and that's a big difference too. But it's
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: a big free agent class, you know, second year quarterback,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: Newish head coach you know, uh, great defense in the playoffs.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: I I mean I thought about it on Sunday when
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: they would beat the Technive.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: People have been talking about it all year, and I
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: don't think it's like not even close. Like don't get
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: me wrong, Like I understand what you know. There's a
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 6: lot of it was a good free agent class and
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 6: all that stuff, second year quarterbacks, but I don't look
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: at it as being all that similar because of the
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: style of the games, the way that this team is
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: completely offensive driven. You know, during the course of the
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 6: regular season. Now in the playoffs, the defense is is dominated,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: the two deep, the two player. It's been a whole
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: different story. If it was like this all year and
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: you were kind of scuffling on offense and the defense,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: and I would say, oh, now, I see, I see
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: a little more what you guys are talking about sticks rights.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: In defense of Drake May I'm trying to figure out
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: why they keep saying May played terrible. Yes, he had
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: a few fumbles, but that they're leaving out the part
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: that he also threw three touchdowns. Only one other person
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: did that against that defense this year. If he doesn't
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: throw those touchdowns, we lose. Look how other quarterbacks performed
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: against that defense. Josh Allen three interceptions, no touchdowns, Pat
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: Mahome three interceptions, no touchdowns, Matt Stafford one touchdown. I
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: think they making it a big deal about May when
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: he played way better in the second half. That's when
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: good players do it. So we're winning. So he's playing
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: bad right now, just one second, he played really, really bad.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 6: We're saying he can't be sloppy with the football going
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: forward as he's been in these two games. The reason
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: why you got away with it is because Will Campbell
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 6: keeps recovering the fumblesh You got away with it because
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: you're recovering half of the fumbles. He has six fumbles.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: The Patriots have recovered three of them. Now you could say,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think there's probably Bill Barnwell stats out
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: there to say that's that's the randomness of a fumble.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: It's like fifty to fifty and that's probably true. But
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: all it takes is one game where you fumble four
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 6: times and don't recover any of them, and you go
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 6: home right Like, you fumble four times, you recover two
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: of them the other day.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: Especially at strip sacks, it's hard to recover a strip
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: sack because you know the defense isn't both of them.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: The Texans had in their hands with a guy scooping
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: it to go in and wasn't able to quite secure it.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 6: Like, and I'm not telling you that he played poorly
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: he made three unbelievable touchdown throws or didn't care about
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: the touchdowns. The other guys you scored them, and they
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 6: averaged seventeen points allowed in the game and you scored
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 6: twenty one. Like you were basically in line to what
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: Houston has been giving up to everybody.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: And unless a quarterback with those mistakes wouldn't have been
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: able to do what he did, they'd fold. Yeah, he
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: never lost.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: That would I give him the most credit for it
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: didn't go in the blunder like he could have very
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: easily lost his marbles and like Stroud died frankly.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: Frankly he did.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: But you know, this was his worst statistical game of
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: the season by far. And LOSDPA, lowess drop back success rate,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: lowest QBR. And I know the passer ratings, sorry, I know,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: the passer rating is one hundred. They don't count the
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: fumbles in passer ratings, so passer rating doesn't dock him
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: for fumbles. So that's why the passer rating is still
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: really really good. Because he was three touchdowns to one pick,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: it's still going to be pretty high. But all the
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: you know, good advanced metrics those ones count, fumbles, count
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: the five sacks, you know, count all this other stuff
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: that gets baked into all of it.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 6: And I would just say, we're comparing him to himself.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 6: So he set a record or whatever. He was a
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 6: set of Patriots record anyway for completion percentage, right, yep.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 6: He hasn't been anywhere near that in the playoffs sixty games,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 6: So like that's what we're talking about. We're not saying
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 6: like he was c. J. Stroud on Sunday who completely
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 6: took away any chance his team had to win. He
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 6: was so bad.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 8: Yea.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 6: And also like the whole turnover thing. I know, we
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: threw a pick, but the pick came on a hail
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 6: Mary in the last play of the half. So like
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 6: the whole five to three internal was really five to two.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 6: That doesn't count, right, Like that one doesn't really count.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: Now the Texans turned it over five times, the Patriots
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 6: turned it over twice.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: That's the cool thing. Not to pump the epas tires,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: but like e p A knows that that was a
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: hail Mary at the end of the half, what does
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: he live? So it doesn't it lives in the It
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: lives in the I got an e PA stat for you.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: It lives in the cloud.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: But that so they he looks like a little kid
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: looks at Santa Claus.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 6: That's kind of the way I look at it, like
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: it doesn't exist.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: That's that one the PA for this season. I would
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: like he does.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: It doesn't even make any sense the.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: The e p A does not dock him the pick. Okay,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: that's all.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 6: So I saw an EPA stat that was interesting. You know, again,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 6: to this is not to suggest that Drake may was
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 6: as bad as Stroud. It wasn't even close. He wasn't
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 6: any we'd need as damaging to his team as Stroud was.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 6: But I think Mike Giardi wrote a piece today that
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: said that that was the the third worst offensive EPA
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 6: in a win all year for any team regular season playoffs,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: and the two games that were worse than that were
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: the Raiders in Week eighteen against Kansas City. And I
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 6: don't know if you remember, you probably don't. I'm a
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 6: loser and I do remember these things? What do you
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: got when the Jets beat Cleveland in that game when
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: it was the game after they traded everybody, and they
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: returned a punt and a kickoff for a touchdown. That's
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: the only reason why they won the game. They couldn't
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: move the ball the whole day just before we played them.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 6: Those were the only two offensive performances in victory that
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: were worse than the Patriots on Sunday.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this was by e p A in
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: his success rate which just you know, play success rate.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: This was the worst of his career, even worse than
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: any of the games his rookie season, which I mean
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: like that is.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: Was a person what would Epa look like?
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: Smart, like some kid from Round Glass super Cuts haircut? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, something like that. But you know,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: like some people just like stats that put context like
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: into the number instead of just you know, you.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: Stick up for you. Joseph from Texas, just a few
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: quick things I'm surprised haven't been said yet regarding Nix's injury.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: Paul's statement that it always works out for the Patriots,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: well doesn't need to be.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 6: Said at this point, saying.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: It to regarding the Patriots success. Fred's saying that we
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: broke the rest of the AFC East and sent them
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: into chaotic disarray.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: That's so true.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 6: We did, I think, what did I What did I
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 6: tell I te I text that the Patriots broke the
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 6: whole af You did say that, not just the ARC East.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: A little bit of a stretch.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 6: Harbaugh and Tomlin guys were there eighteen and nineteen years.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: They're gone because of the Patriots and now McDermott.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: Because it is gone, not because they have.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 6: After an eight straight years of playoff playoff appearances and
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 6: wins in the playoffs six I think it's six years.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: And also a game that hasn't won a Patriots Patriots
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: broke them.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: And also Paul texted me said, you know, my Bears
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: did better than he thought they would.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 6: I said, I got to give you Beers credit, and
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 6: I told him.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Should send a video game.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: There is a video shout out.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: The scribes are up in the press box doing ourscribing
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: after the game on Sunday and the Bears Rams game
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: was up on the TV and everybody is you know,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: Caleb threw that touch o at the end and everyone
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: was going crazy like, oh my god, like and then
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: you're looking up from your computer and you're like, oh
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: my god.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: I was listening on the radio on the way home
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: and Kevin Harland was doing the call and he was.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: Like, I hadn't seen that I wouldn't full limit.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was actually, I mean, I was pretty I
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 6: was actually talking to No Socks about Kevin Harland, and
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 6: I was kind of critical of him. But that was
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 6: a great call of the last play. But when he
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 6: was like describing that and he said he's back to
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 6: the forty, and I'm thinking to myself, real quickly, please.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: Started on like the fourteen yard line.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 6: I was back to the forty. I'm like, there's no
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: chance that he's Like god, it was amazing.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: The third thing that he's surprised hadn't be said, Fred
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: would child like enthusiasm.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: If we win this game, we go to the super Bowl.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: But you seem a little worried about Stidham, Fred, which
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: has me worried. I'm telling you, be careful Patriots fans.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 6: Paul Is, don't lose this one.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, is Nick's getting hurt though the ultimate it
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: always works out for the Patriots. I mean, has there
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: ever been a bigger I was it always works out
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: a championship quarterback gets injured.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: I was like going crazy in my apartment on Saturday
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: when that happened. Like I'm just sitting there watching, you know,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: getting ready to watch the next one, by the way,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: and Sean Payge just walks out to the post to
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: him and says, our quarterback is done for the year.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 6: And I was like, Fred, it's up there. I mean,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 6: I'd have to give it more thought, but this is
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 6: just this run has been pretty you know good for
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 6: some of that stuff. I was thinking myself, you know,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 6: Nico Collins might not have dropped half of those passes
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 6: the other day.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: I was thinking myself about like what could have been?
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: And you go back to that fateful game where the
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: Patriots won the last game of the Mayo regime, which
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: you know, don't drop them down to number three. What
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: may have been the quarterback of this.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: I knew he was going to say it wrong draft.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: I knew it.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 6: I knew he was going to say it. I kept
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 6: telling him. I kept that, kept wishing that that's right.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: I did it again.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: What does that happen? A lot? I don't either. It's
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: like a lot of.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: People screw up I am so sorry, so sorry.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 6: I don't I don't really understand, like this is the
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 6: most common.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: Will Campbell the the way the Patriots.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: It's like Paul and I were standing on the train
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: track and.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: Because it's so common, and I don't really understand.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: So let me ask the question.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: So I think maybe I understand where the confusions go.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: That year two years ago, was there a chance that
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: the Patriots could have had the first pick if something happened?
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, I mean like there was
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: they lost to the Commanders.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: It wasn't so simple, yeah.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: Because it's strength to schedule, strength the victory.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 6: Like Chad Ryland, who really struggled badly that year, made
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: like a fifty six yard field goal to beat Denver,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 6: and a lot of people said they went to Denver.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 6: I think it cost them, like the I remember two impossible, right, yeah,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: I think that's what a lot of people were complaining.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 6: But like, yeah, they could have had Jadeen Daniels.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: If you had to pull one thread out, it would
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: be that one. Like if they if they lose that
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: game in Denver, then maybe they would have had the
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: number two pick. I'm not totally convinced that they would
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: have taken Daniels over May, so I I.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: Really have no idea.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that would have they had the
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: first pick where they have picked Williams over all three
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: of all the other.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: I think probably just because they probably needed to go,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: would be.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: In the same spot.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: Would I pick?
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 6: No, No, if they had taken if they had gotten
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 6: the number one pick and they.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: Had taken to bring in Josh McDaniels with them.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 6: Now I'm saying, if you had Williams on this team,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 6: would you be in the same spot?
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: So maybe maybe I think if you have, like I said,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: if you have Josh McDaniels, I don't think that.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 6: Everything is the same with the team.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: I don't think Caleb would have had the regular season
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: that Drake May had. Like I don't think that he
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: would be a potential m VP.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: I would not say, as an example, he would be
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 6: completing seventy two percent of his past right, But.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: I do the kind of I do think they might
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: have won a lot of I mean, the Bears won
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: a lot of games.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 6: They would have won a lot of yeah, like fourth
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 6: quarter comebacks. Yeah, they would have won a lot of games.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 6: And I think they'd be in this sea.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: He's a really interesting player.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: Like I just he such a one of those never
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: dead till the clock making a guy, like even when
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: they got stopped on that fourth down, like they get
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: the ball back, he's coming again.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: Like you can't set this guy from you. No, I
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: don't want to go down a track. But let's assume
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: that the Raiders gets the doors, all right? Is that
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: a real potent offense?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 9: Now? Not yet?
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 6: No brock Bowers and and you know, a decent running back.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: He could be great.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 6: He could be if they had five good linemen sart
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 6: or something maybe. But yeah, I mean he had. He
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 6: had a better year than people think. I think he was.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: I think he had more yards from scrimmage than than anybody,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 6: any of the rookies, right yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: I mean i'll more than anybody else.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: But I'm probably fair.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: I think that would have been dooza that most of
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: the people don't feel that he's quite in that tier
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: of quarterback prospects.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: He's going to be really good.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying he's like, I'm just saying that smart.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 6: I think he plays a real NFL style. I will
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 6: say that I think he like I don't know how
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 6: good he's going to be. I'm not really good at that,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 6: but he seems like he throws the ball with anticipation.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 6: He throws the ball before guys are open, like you
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 6: have to do.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: In the awareness. He's got the measure.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: He's gonna be the number one.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to tell you what they know. He's saying.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 6: He's not Andrew Luck. He's not one of these generational
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 6: talents college.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 8: I agree with.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know where he would have been in Drake
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: May's draft. I think that that would have been a
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: conversation if you know, I I he's that's how he
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: was the.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: QB for Penn State or Notre Dame. People would be
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: calling him generational.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, Indiana just won the national champion.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: I know, but I'm still saying that he didn't have
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: that team behind getting doc because.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know about that. I mean, that's that offensive
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: line won the Joe Moore Award. Their defense was great
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: all year. But they I think that that's just how
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: he's being. He's more like people compare him more to
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: like a Jared Goff coming out or someone like that,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: and they're comparing him to like, you know, Caleb, Drake
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: May Jade and Daniels L.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: I think he's really really good. I'm not trying to
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: say he isn't. That's just what the draft community is.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: I think he's the kind of kid that like, he
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: hasn't even reached his potential because I think he's smart, accurate.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: But that's how he's going to have to win the league. Yeah,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: I don't the physical tools, I like, I don't know
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: how immense those really are. You know, he's not really
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: a runner. That's the questions that people have are are
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: more about the intangibles are off the charts, no, no
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: doubt about that. But is he you know, physically how
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: high is his ceiling as a prospect.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: Let's go to North Carolina, Kendall. What's up, Kendall, Kendall,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: it's a tease. Stop. Let's go to Manny in New Bedford. Hey, Manny, Hey,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: what's going on?
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 10: Guys?
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: Hey? Sorry?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 18: I don't want to keep beating a dead horse here.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 18: And I hate to sound really harsh because I love
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 18: Will Campbell, but when do the excuses stop?
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 18: I remember we talked about it when we played the
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 18: Browns and he had a terrible game against Miles Garrett.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 18: Expected Miles Garrett. It's just on a different level, right.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 18: And then I remember him making a comment after we
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 18: played the Chargers about basing Khalil Mack. He's getting paid
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 18: a ton of money. I get that, great players, But
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 18: we drafted him fourth overaught pick. So are we like
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 18: worried that he's not going to live up to that
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 18: fourth overall pick hype. So I'm kind of just really worried.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: About a lot of people are.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 18: Yeah, but I just don't want to keep making excuses
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 18: for him or if he's a rookie, you know, but again,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 18: we drafted you fourth overrough pick, so you need to
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 18: play to that expectation.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would agree with you, And I just want
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 6: to just defend myself a little bit. I wasn't making
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 6: an excuse for him when I asked if we thought
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: he was healthy. I'm simply saying he had an and
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 6: I think a sprained MCL came back pretty quickly from it.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 6: He only missed the four weeks on ir. That's that's
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 6: a quick turnaround.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 6: If I if I sounded like that was making an
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 6: excuse for him, I didn't mean to. I was just
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 6: asking asking for a friend. I don't know if it's true,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 6: maybe he's not healthy.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's true, but I've heard people
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: say that they put him on IR to save him
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: from himself, like they wanted it out of the question
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: that he would come back too soon.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: I just think that, and look at there's there's the
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: nature of the beast, and it's not going to be
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: done this way. But we told you at the time
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: that all fourth overall picks are created equal. Not every
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: single fourth overall pick is going to be Lane Johnson
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: or Joe Thomas or a Hall of Fame caliber player.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: In that draft, he was their best option in terms
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: of day one starter at a huge, gigantic hole on
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: the team, and for the most part, I would say
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: that he's been average to above average and give them
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: exactly what they needed. When he plays Will Anderson and
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: Danielle Hunter and Miles Garrett, he gets beat and a
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: lot of guys get beat by those types of guys.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: They do.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: And I just I understand that he was the fourth
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: overall pick, but I think that the context of the
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: class that he was drafted fourth overall in, which has
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: not been very good by the way across the NFL,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: is important now it's not gonna it's gonna get lost
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: in the wash with him, I'm sure. But if he's
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: you know, we always go back to Matt Light, Like
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: if he's Matt Light, who had a lot of trouble
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: with Jason Taylor, had a lot of trouble with Dwight Freeney.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: But you know, fifteen or fourteen out of the sixteen
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: guys that he faced in the season, he did a
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: really good job against.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: And my hope with Campbell is that he wants it
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: so bad that he's going to do everything he can
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: in the offseason to get better, and he'll he'll improve.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: You know, this is his first year, and he'll get
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: better and he'll like, he'll be fine.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: He'll be fine.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: But you know, some people say, well, you can be
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: fine at left tackle or possibly an All Pro guard,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: which would you rather do? And I go back to
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: the whole Devin mccordy thing. They drafted him as a
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: cornerback and second year they moved him into safety, and
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: he was.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 6: A you know, I need my options would be at tackle.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: I would rather him play tackle, Yeah, I.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 6: Mean if I think I would if I have an option, yeah,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 6: I think I can do better. At tackle and if
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 6: I could, then I'm feeling pretty good about him as
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 6: a guard and Wilson moving over also, I want.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: Him to be tackled.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: That's why the callers the way he is.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 6: I agree with you. I think his personality has been
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 6: such that he's such a nice kid. We all enjoy
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 6: talking to him. He says kind of colorful things. It
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 6: seems like he's really well liked in the locker room.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 6: With the Friday thing and the weather reports and stuff
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 6: that he's been doing, I think that's sort of have
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 6: bought him a lot of goodwill among the media, and
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 6: it wasn't until it got really glaring in these two
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 6: playoff games that people have finally started saying, hh, yeah,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 6: he's okay. Yeah, you know, I think that never continues
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 6: that way. You're going to have to have a conversation about.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: I think the conversation about them with the guard will
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: continue into the offseason and will be a point that
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: we talk about frequently. And I mean, I agree with
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: Paul's point about it depends on who's available. But you know,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: just for me, if that did end up happening, I
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: don't look at it as oh, they whiffed on the
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: fourth overall pick, Like, did they get a good player?
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: Is he going to start for them?
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Still? You know, I'm still okay with that.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 6: But Gevin's point about that is dead on, like who'd
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 6: you miss? Yeah, who'd you miss?
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 6: Right, there's some good players. I'm sure you know, I'm
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 6: sure Mason Graham is going to be a good, solid player, Like,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 6: I don't.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: Think the only one that you could I don't.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 6: I don't necessarily look at that as like a difference
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 6: making kind of player McMillan would have would have made.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: Now, knowing what we know about Drake, that's a that's
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: a fit.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I think that, you know, it comes
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: back to now you're going to be picking let's say
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: thirty second in the draft. It's already a hollow position
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: as it is, so you're not going to be You're
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: not going to draft the starting left tackle at at
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: thirty two that's going to be better than Will Campbell?
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: Not not most likely not? So are you going?
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 6: I have heard good things about the tackle class there?
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: Are you going free agency? Are you going draft?
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: Like, how are you going to find a left tackle?
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: That's because I think that Will Campbell has been serviceable. Yeah,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: when he goes up in competition against two of the
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: best rushers in the entire league, he got beat badly.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: But he's been serviceable in all the other games this
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: season that he's played in. So how do you do
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: better than that? I'm not saying you can't.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying how And to Friend's point, he can
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: improve too, Like you know, I mean, he'll he's always
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: going to be the size that he is. And like
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: having watched him now for whatever it is, in nineteen
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: games or eight whenever, then he was out like he's
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: not a big guy. He's going to learn that. He's
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: going to learn the tricks of the trade. Yeah, I
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: think he's going to get especially for a guy who's
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: athletic like him, and you know he'll be he'll get bad.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what kind of team. But it's just ultimately,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: he's always going to kind of be that size and
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: you can you can get by with it, but I
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: don't want to just blanket move him. I know this
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: isn't the year to say we need an edge, and
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: we also got to find a left tackle like that.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, we know how heart of this to get
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: that position. So I don't know if they can thread
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: the needle on it.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: Cody writes in maybe I'm an eternal pessimist, but does
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: this seem eerily similar to Yeah, the Broncos defense is
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: really good, but no way brock Osweiler or the ghost
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: of Peyton Manning can win this game ten years later.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: It's on my mind.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, Yeah, I mean I just think it's a
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 6: whole different situation. First of all, Peyton Manning. Can we
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 6: not like the ghost of Peyton Manning the ghost of
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 6: a Hall of Fame player, Like I get it, he was,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 6: you know, on his last legs and whatever brock Osweiler
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 6: was there was their quarterback at the time. Like if
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 6: even if this happened three weeks ago, I would have
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 6: a whole different mindset with Jared Stidham. You know, everybody
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 6: likes to bring out Nick Foles and Jeff Hostel where
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 6: those guys were playing, they had to. They replaced the
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 6: starting quarterback and at least got a couple of games
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 6: in and by the way, in both cases bad games
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 6: when they initially went in to replace him, because Foles
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 6: played the Foles played one good game and then a
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 6: really bad one.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: He played the NFC Championship game against Minnesota, right.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm talking about in the regular season. They
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 6: played the last two or three games of the regular seasons,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 6: both Hostetler and Foles. Yeah, so by the time they
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 6: got to the championship game levels they had had five
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: or six game You know, that's a big difference. Yeah,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 6: this guy hasn't started a game in a long long time.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: Nick Fole, I don't know anything about the nineteen ninety
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: Giants offense. I'm sure you could enlighten me, Paul, but
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: that Eagles offense in seventeen was loaded. I mean they
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: had an offensive first game. He played really, really well.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 6: I actually looked at it a little bit.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: On Jeffrey was on the outside, agalar lg and the
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: slot you know that was that was a good team
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: like that, zach Ertz in his prime at tight end,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: and that offensive line was the best in that league.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 6: Height Jo, And I'm not telling you you can't win
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: the game, because Fred's right. You can rally and do
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 6: all that kind of stuff, and your defense can do
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 6: what the the fifteen Broncos defense did and win the game.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 6: That's what it would take. Like that, I'm like Jeff hosteler,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 6: like went in and went nine for sixteen for ninety
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 6: seven yards, you know, thirteen for twenty three for one
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 6: hundred and ninety yards. That's how they won the games.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 6: Twelve for twenty three. By the way, I want to
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 6: really point this one out, nineteen ninety twelve for twenty
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 6: three for one hundred and twenty three yards in a
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 6: touchdown and a thirteen to ten win over who the
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 6: New England Patriots that went one in fifteen.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like he didn't lose the games for.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: Him, So like, yes, I'm not telling you they can't
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 6: win the game. I'm telling you I wouldn't expect like
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 6: Nick Foles did in one of his games twenty four
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 6: thirty eight for two thirty seven and four touchdowns. Yeah,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 6: if that happens, you're in trouble, right, But I wouldn't
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 6: expect that. I would expect more of a hosteler kind
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 6: of a you know, just stay out of the way,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 6: don't turn it over, let's play to the defense, let's
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 6: do field position, and let's hopefully we don't need anything.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 6: And if it's close late, then maybe we can steal it.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: If they had a running game and if they were
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: like built that way I would feel better, or if
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: I was a Denver fan, I doubt that's what. Just
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: digging into the Broncos over the last twelve hours, I'm like,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: they don't run the ball very well, and so like,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: how are you going to take pressure off of Stidham
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: in this game? And how you know, how are you
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: going to expect him to not be He can't be
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: the hero, Like you can't put it all the whole
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: game on his shoulders. Other than the defense forcing five
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: turnovers or like they did last week. It just doesn't
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: feel like they have the type of offense.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: Exter in Santa Rosa, California says, I agree with Paul,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: there's literally no way we lose this game to Jared Stidham,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: and he was correct and stating that the bear stink.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: It's always nice to get a double buy in the playoffs.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: With this week and next week off Patriots forty two
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: thirteen Patriots verus Rams in the Super Bowl, we went
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: our seventh thirty eight thirty five, that'd be awesome. I
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: hope that's right.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 6: Just kind of just correct one thing. I didn't say
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 6: the bear stink, Yeah.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: You kind of did.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 6: No, I did take walk is the word I think
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 6: you used. I think the Patriots would be Chicago. I
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: said they're not that good, and you took that to
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 6: mean that they weren't good, yeah, And I said, but
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 6: like there was like yeah, there was an emphasis on that.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: Like I think, like to Evans point Seattle, right, you
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 6: think Seattle is like up here, I think goes down here.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: They're not that good, correct.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: Like eighty five Bears are not that good.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: I'm comparing them to like the Seahawks, not comparing them
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: that good.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 6: Right, they're not carrying on rather than carrying We can
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 6: get to that.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: Can I throw something out there in the last ten
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 4: minutes of the show that I'm glad it's buried ten
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: minutes left in the show. Drake May in the bad
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: weather and like that, like it's not supposed to be
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: like just to be nice that bad in Denver and
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: then obviously the Super Bowls in Santa Clara, where I
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: think he's gonna be, you know, fine, totally chill with
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: that environment. I don't want to like make this like
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: a Drake May is bad and bad weather thing because
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: I think and those conditions on Sunday, like I don't
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: there are not a lot of quarterbacks that I think
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: are gonna throw great when it's snowing like that, and
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: you know, the weather was just not good for either team.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: Herbert struggled to throw the ball in the first game
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: to Stroud struggled to throw the ball, you know, so
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: like it's kind of like everybody kind of had a
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: tough time.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: With it, you know, from our perch in the press box,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: you know, we didn't see a lot of wind, the
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: snow wasn't sticking. It was about thirty two degrees, so
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: it wasn't frigid, but that kind of wet type of
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: snow and thirty two that it gets to your bones,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, It really soaks in, and
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: maybe the ball was more slippery than we know. There
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: was just a couple of times, I mean there are
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: offered to play and then a heavy snow, like at
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: twenty degrees, that's a dry snow, you know what I mean.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: There are two or three throws that he flat out
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: miss but that happens every game, So I'll give it
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: to him on that. I thought there were a couple
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: a handful of them where they just like I'm just
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: so used to him just dropping these throws right in
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: the bucket. You know, he had one on Kyle Williams
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: down the left sideline. That was he had a step
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: on Lassiter And I'm just so used to Drake may
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: just putting that Now he put it right on booty.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: So you know that throw is cinematic like that throws gorgeous,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: but like the one of Kyle Williams, he's made it. Yeah,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 3: I kind of put a little bit of on Kyle
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: Williams too. Yeah, but you know that that throw hits
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: Kyle Williams and stride that might be a touchdown.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he did definitely had he had a step. We
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 6: were saying it live like he's got him, He's got him.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 6: As the ball was coming down, was like, to me.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: This is just one of those things that's a little
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: bit of a work in progress. And you know, he
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: hasn't had an opportunity to play in weather like this,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure he's never played in a game like
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: that on Sunday. So let's get to next year and
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: you know, see if I mean, they're winning games, so
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: he's still getting confidence and experience from these games.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: Still. I'm I'm I'm a Will Campbell guy. Okay, Okay,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: I just get back to Will Campbell.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know, uh, because I wasn't listening Bill. Bill's
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: in Santa Monica.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: What's up?
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: Bill?
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 19: Hey guys.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: Sonny mccains so, oh dude.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 19: I was at Sonny Mclaims on Saturday. My brother called
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 19: and said, get on, I'll give you miles. Get on
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 19: a plane, flew up to Boston, then went to the game.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 10: Off.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 19: Oh nice, And then now I'm back in so I'm like, uh,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 19: sleep depride, but very happy. So to kind of dumb
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 19: questions about the beginning game and about the end of
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 19: the game. Was that point in the beginning of game
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 19: where C. J. Stroud had made more completions to Patriots
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 19: and Drake May?
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: All right, what's the Is there a point in the
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: game where Stroud had more completions than May?
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe?
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 6: Who Was there a point in the game where Stroud
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 6: had thrown four picks and May it only had three completions?
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Possibly?
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 6: I don't think so, but you know I wouldn't rule
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 6: it out.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then the other one, like I said,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 19: these are trivial, Uh, Patriots last possession, right, it's third
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 19: and forty thirteen right at whatever the Patriots forty five.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 19: My buddy was like, they should have gone for it,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 19: which I think is crazy. But his argument is they
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 19: weren't doing anything and we could they could run out
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 19: the cloth where punted, and I just figured that would
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 19: be you know, we got a couple of minutes, but
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 19: that would be a good argument if you guys could
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 19: get into.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 6: No, not really, I agree with you. Yeah, said go
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 6: for it there, Like, you get a twelve point lead
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 6: with two minutes left and you want to go for
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 6: it on fourth and twelve, just punted it.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: Make them go eighty yards.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm want to make it most of his podcast,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 19: so you know, I think that's the podcast set arguments, right.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Now, if you want to question some fourth down decisions,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 6: I would question some of Damigo ryans is. You know
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 6: in the game, I thought fourth and two when they
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 6: kicked the field goal to make it twenty one thirteen
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 6: fourth and two from the seven, I want to say,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 6: and then two egregious ones. Down twelve points in the
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 6: fourth quarter, he punted twice on fourth down. The last
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 6: one was completely inexcusable.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: I think he had more faith in this defense scoring,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: but at some point, there wasn't enough time to do it,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: even if his defense did exactly what he wanted them
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: to do.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 6: You know, I think that's kind of why the Patriots
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 6: had some success on that drivers because the defense is
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 6: like you kidding me, like we're back out here again,
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 6: like we got it. Like literally, they're not even trying
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 6: to stop them. They're just trying to take the ball away.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 4: At that point, the fourth down, the fourth quarter drive
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: the Patriots started at what like they're four or something
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: like that. That was. That was some big boy running
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: like that just at that point. I agree with that
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: talk to you, but I also give a little love
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: there who They ran it right behind Big Mike three
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: or four times in a row, and he I love
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: that he him and Morgan Moses opened up holes for
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: mare Stevenson to get him off at the.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: Hole and try to stop it.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 20: That was.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: That's what that That.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: Is an example of when you need the run game.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: It's theo. I know what Paul's point is that they.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 6: Are, but I mean, that's what you want to shorten
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 6: this game now and make sure that they don't have
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 6: time to have two possessions, And they did exactly that.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: Tennessee what's up, Spencer, Spencer, you've been to ed Ley's.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 6: Spencer, Sir, having a hard time today?
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: All right? Uh, Todd's in North Carolina.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: Hey, Todd to will be there, he's always Yeah.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: Todd, Verizon down again? Come on, that's going on? Shoot?
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: Come on now, Drake, all right, we don't think you
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: need to worry.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: Well, the phone line opened up and it's Kelly in Dallas.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: What's up, Kelly? Kelvin Turner, Kelvin Kelvin Sorry, yes, all right.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 21: Now I'm gonna tell y'all. I'm gonna come down there,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 21: and I want to help you. I want to I
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 21: want to be the stitting head coach. But let me
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 21: tell you something about Denver.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, ca co down.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 21: Cow Boys could never beat Denver, even on when Dever
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 21: was bad. And Dens gonna try to jump ahead of y'all.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 21: But what y'all need to do y'all need to put
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 21: pressure on demmer off face and defense and they line.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 10: You keep put.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 21: Pressure and let them not score. First, second and fourth quarter,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 21: y'all have to score.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: I like that. Shut them out three quarters. I like
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: our chances.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 21: Yeah, yes, shut them out three three quarters and really
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 21: shut them out on fourth fourth quarters because then it's
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 21: a steaky team. How they beat U Buffalo that was unbelievable.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 21: Then we're trying to come back on you. You have
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 21: to say the office down, the defense and the line,
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 21: and then y'all had to put screens and blazes on
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 21: them all fourth quarters.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, because I'm going to pass these You have
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: this in writing, because we'll pass it along the podcast
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: lost shutting the team.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 21: Out, Mike, Mike, Mike Greble used to be with the
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 21: Tennessee Titans.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 21: Yeah, jel Fisher too. Jef Fisher took the Tennessee Titans
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 21: to the Super Bowl and they lost against a round
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 21: But I'm gonna tell you, Denver, the Rams you got
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 21: to do this to do Okay. Yeah, they would jump
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 21: ahead of you quickly.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 4: It sounds like a blueprint to me.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for the call.
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  Speaker 6: It's actually been the Patriots. They want to jump in
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  Speaker 6: stuff and coming back.
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  Speaker 3: In Boston. What's up, Zach?
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  Speaker 4: Don't let him score. I've seen Denver win that game
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  Speaker 4: twelve times this year.
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  Speaker 3: Zach Zack in Boston?
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  Speaker 10: Hey, how you doing all right? Hey?
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  Speaker 9: Question for you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, Drake had a couple of fumbles and how much
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  Speaker 2: do you put.
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  Speaker 9: On that on Will Campbell in the line.
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  Speaker 12: And then also, do you really think Will Campbell is
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  Speaker 12: one hundred percent or do you think he's.
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  Speaker 19: Just muscling it through the playoffs?
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  Speaker 2: Move over the blow where he's done a really good job.
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  Speaker 11: For the time he did start.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, one one was a botch play that
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  Speaker 3: he dove and got it punched out. That's on him.
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  Speaker 3: And the second one the line you know, collapsed but
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  Speaker 3: you just can't the ball there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say two and two. I think that
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  Speaker 4: the one where Will Campbell had uh yeah, chip help,
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  Speaker 4: like I kind of split the baby there a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: like you your internal clock's got to start ticket like
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  Speaker 4: you know, the one that Will Anderson blew by Will Campbell,
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  Speaker 4: That one is not so I would say like two
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  Speaker 4: and a half PFF had it at at two, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the one backed up and then the one the punch
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  Speaker 4: out on the scramble. I think the one with the
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  Speaker 4: chip help like you gotta one Mississippi two Mississippi. Like
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  Speaker 4: at some point the ball's got to come out when
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  Speaker 4: you know who you're going up against and you're kind
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  Speaker 4: of managing It's.
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  Speaker 3: Last call Brandon's and Syracuse. What's up? Brandon, Hey, guys.
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  Speaker 22: How are we doing today?
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  Speaker 4: Good?
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  Speaker 11: Very good?
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  Speaker 9: So yeah, I'm.
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  Speaker 22: From well, from Camden, New York, but I work I
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  Speaker 22: work out of Syracuse, and I'll tell you what, being
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 22: a Patriots span surrounded by a bunch of Bills fans
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  Speaker 22: is probably the greatest moment of my life right now. Uh.
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  Speaker 22: I'm twenty six right now, So I've been I've been
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 22: dealing with the Patriots, had a great run for my
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 22: whole life. But uh, I just wanted to leave you
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  Speaker 22: guys off with one couple a couple of things here
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  Speaker 22: with the offensive line, I feel very confident about the
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  Speaker 22: right side. We're really great. I'm not gonna lie. Jared
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  Speaker 22: Wilson and Will Campbell have got me on my toes
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  Speaker 22: the past couple of games, but I still have a
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  Speaker 22: lot of confidence in them, and I think that Will
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  Speaker 22: Campbell can can bounce back. And Drake Maye one hundred
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  Speaker 22: percent confident. I think I think he can bounce back.
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  Speaker 22: He doesn't let much break him or anything like that.
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  Speaker 9: But go Pats.
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  Speaker 3: I love your guys, so so Brandon. With all the
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: Bills fans up there, you know, how are their fingers
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: because that window really close shut really hard.
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  Speaker 22: Oh yeah, they're they're no, they're sore there. Yeah, listen,
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  Speaker 22: I delivered with Tarvana and uh, about everybody that I
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 22: delivered to is a is a Bills fan, and I'm
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 22: making know him that I'm a Pats fan. So I
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 22: get insights from them all the time. So it's it's great.
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  Speaker 22: It's been great. The past couple of weeks, they've been
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  Speaker 22: they've been very sore, you know, sore.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I love to hear that. Thanks, Thanks Brandon, all Right,
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  Speaker 3: you okay, that's gonna be it. We're on to Wednesday,
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  Speaker 3: Catch twenty two tomorrow tomorrow with ten with Barth bart
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: when I always ask.
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  Speaker 4: Very excited, Yeah, he wants to go to Denver and uh,
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 4: and I told him. I was like, let's let's get
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 4: you to the super Bowl?
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: Is he going? Is he traveling?
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 4: On Sunday the press box, he came up to me
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 4: after the game and it was giving me his his
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 4: pitch to go and send him to Denver.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: And I was like, why are you pitching this tonight?
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  Speaker 3: Like he can bring a dog on a plane that's
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: like a store away.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 4: No, not a like can you.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: Claim him as a therapy person and like him.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 4: Is more a question for you than it is for me.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: If you feel even need them, we can make accommodations,
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: you know, like what you're.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: Saying it is.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 4: It is a long flight, so like you know, maybe
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  Speaker 4: I need like this emotional support animateally Yeah yeah yeah yeah,
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 4: not Atlas though, can't bring him.
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  Speaker 3: Emotionalless him and e p A. We'll save a seat
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: for EPA.
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  Speaker 4: That's gonna be my next dog. Yeah yeah, all right,
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 4: we'll see you tomorrow. Hey, this is Alex.
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  Speaker 4: That's a lot