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LAMB OF GOD: Mark Morton on 'Into Oblivion', AI and GUITARS. · The Downbeat

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  Get that tone going. It's Mark Morton of Lamb of God
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  on the Downbeat podcast. Mark Morton, Lamb of God.
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  What's up, Craig? Welcome to the podcast.
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  Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming.
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  Yeah, of course. You said something before we
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  even sat down that you were like, I have Craig questions.
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  Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Well, I would like to know how
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  you're finding Nashville, because you've not, you've not
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  been here that long. You're from London.
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  I know, and it's quite a difference, London to Nashville.
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  It is very different. Yeah.
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  I mean, I think I can sort of piece together why you might
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  have come here, but I want to know like, what the first like 3
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  months were like, were you like, what the hell am I doing?
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  Were you lost? What, what were the things like?
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  Were there cultural elements of Nashville, which has a culture
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  that you struggled to wrap your head around, or maybe still do?
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  This guy should have a podcast. I'm genuinely curious.
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  Go straight in on me. Sorry.
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  If you're a massive Lamb of God fan, we're going to get I.
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  Will talk about. I mean, I'm far more interested
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  in talking. About you, I would say until six
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  weeks ago, I felt unsteady, unsure, didn't know what I was
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  doing. But just because of how long
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  everything took. Not really like a culture shock
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  per SE, but more like, OK, I'm going to do this thing which is
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  crazy move my whole entire life and I'll just do it and then
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  I'll figure it out when I get there.
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  Because you didn't really do a ton of research on Nashville,
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  right? I mean, you've been here a few
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  times. You got beef with Nashville?
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  I love Nashville and Nashville moves and feels and has the
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  similar pace to Richmond, which is where I'm from, which is kind
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  of. Next door, you still live in
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  Richmond. Yes I do.
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  Outside of Richmond. I live kind of back in the
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  woods, but my city is Richmond. I've been to Nashville many,
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  many times on tour and then I did 2 lots of podcasts here and
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  the guests were just, there were so many guests.
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  It was constant. I was like, if I ever moved to
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  America, I'll move to Nashville because for business it'd be so
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  good. It's booming here.
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  It's crazy. And all before Stray split up,
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  our base in the US that we would practice was in Nashville
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  because Tom's in Franklin. So I already had a whole set of
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  drums here, a whole set of gear. So it was the easiest move to
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  the US for the podcast, basically, that wasn't LA or New
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  York. OK.
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  So it was sort of practical for your specific situation and it
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  wasn't like a choice like I'm going to go there instead of LA
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  or New York. It was more, I mean, it
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  definitely was a little bit of a choice to not to pick it over
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  those, but it what pushed it over the edge was the fact I
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  already had drums here. So for any other part of my
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  career, it's like I'm not freighting a whole drum kit.
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  We had a euro set of drums and everything that was in Germany
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  and then a set that was in Nashville.
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  So that bit was easy. But then moving over and being
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  like, OK, right, I've got to set up a business, I've got to move.
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  Everything was like, I think I finished my drum because I did
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  drum streaming and stuff. I landed here November December
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  26th. I think it was like the day
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  after Christmas or something. It was before Christmas,
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  December 19th last year. It's bleak.
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  And in this city, that time of year too, I mean, especially
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  downtown, there's like nothing. Yeah, it's kind of cold, which I
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  didn't realize it is. Yeah.
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  And then it's taken 13 months to like, I just finished the drum
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  room last week, so that's been the most annoying thing.
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  And then little things like just having I had to retake my
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  driving test and little how old are you?
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  I'm 53. OK, so like, how old are you?
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  I'm 38. OK, So like I'm a grown man.
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  Yeah. And you spend so much of your
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  like, I don't even want to say like tens 10s to 20s.
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  You spend so much of your like mid 20s to mid 30s in my case,
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  being a man, you know, like learning, learning man skills.
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  Hopefully, hopefully, yeah. Little things like just, you
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  know, having being assertive on the road and stuff like that.
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  You're not assertive on the road when you're 17.
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  You, you, you earn that right. Little tiny things like that.
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  And then come in here, everything's on the wrong side.
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  Having to redo my driving test. All of that stuff was just so
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  infantilizing that I was just like, I'm a 30 year old, 38 year
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  old little boy and I can't find my dad for advice, which was
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  always my move. Yeah, this has happened.
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  Dad, what do I do? And he's a man and he knows what
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  to do. It was just like, well, figure
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  that out. So that was like Madison or
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  fucking are you crying? You know, like you're crying.
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  Madison's also my girlfriend, of course, she works here also, but
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  she like she was like helping me learn to drive on the side of
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  the road. And I'd get really quite upset,
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  Not angry, but just like, I'm a, just like a boy, baby boy.
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  I can't do this so other than that so.
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  There's a challenge to your, to your.
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  Yeah, Ego essentially exactly that, yeah.
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  Yeah, which is fair. I mean, that's happens to all of
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  us. What did you love right away?
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  Anything. This is your podcast now.
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  I've taken over your pocket. No, these are real.
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  I, I want to know because it's like, it's, it's interesting to
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  think about someone who you know, grew up in London.
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  It's not hard, but yeah. Sure, but going there all the
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  time, I'm sure you know, for shows and for everything and
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  it's like such like a manic and crazy and awesome city, like
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  totally different vibe here and and I don't know.
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  What did you love right away? Right away, immediately I think
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  I woke up, like I think I noticed on day three, but I woke
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  up and I'd go into our kitchen and I just pull out my laptop.
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  At this point we had no furniture or anything.
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  I just pull out my laptop and I start working.
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  And on maybe day three, I looked outside and it was a beautiful
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  day with no rain, OK? And I was like, Oh my God,
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  that's crazy. And then that's one thing I
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  still just don't take for granted.
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  Like, I wake up and the blinds are open and the sun's out and
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  people don't really realize just how bleak the UK is.
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  And I realized maybe six weeks in, I was like, I'm kind of less
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  depressed and I'm pretty sure it's the sun.
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  So that was #1 I do, I like it. Obviously America's completely
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  fucked. But like, I do like being I'm
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  very privileged to be in a situation where it like, you
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  know, the things America's completely fucked in right now
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  don't actually affect me on the daily, but they do some people.
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  Yeah, so that's that's the struggle that it's I find myself
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  in conversation with some these days is like if you turn it off,
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  if you brick the phone or turn it off or, you know, you know,
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  delete your social media accounts and you just, you know,
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  you just go outside. And in my case, you know, take
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  my kids to the park or walk the dogs or go dig in the garden or
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  go clean the hen house or whatever.
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  I do, you know, those things, play guitar and you're present
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  for that stuff. Are you being entitled and
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  selfish by not dragging yourself down with the weight of the pain
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  of the world? Like, do I have a
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  responsibility? And this is a question because,
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  you know, I've heard arguments on both sides of it.
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  Do I have a responsibility as a 53 year old man in a certain
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  station in life and with a certain platform available to me
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  to engage all of the horror and sadness and atrocity and you
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  know, etcetera, etcetera of the world and comment on it or, you
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  know, work towards some end in relation to it?
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  Or should I be present for my life?
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  That's immediate. And, and, you know, I think
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  there's some people that think you're ignoring reality if you
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  unplug from that stuff. But I sometimes take the
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  argument that that's my reality is when I when I unplug and when
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  I walk out the front door with a cup of coffee and and hang out
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  with the dogs and look at the, you know, the sun.
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  I mean, I don't think if there's an argument for you, should you
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  feel guilty for that? I don't think.
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  Well, I don't know that I feel I ever feel guilty for.
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  It but I mean like. Are we, are we creating these
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  two divergent paths where you know you?
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  You either carry that stuff and engage with it, or you don't.
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  I honestly thought during the pandemic, like I was so stoked
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  because I thought they would be. I was kind of in a weird
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  apocalyptic way. I thought it was going to melt
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  everything, like absolutely everything down to the ground,
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  and we were going to have to go back to like, well, look, all
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  these billionaires profited billions and billions of money
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  during the pandemic. Stone cold facts.
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  That's facts. Like, yeah, anyone, whether it
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  be price gouging or shares or any of that shit.
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  So everyone, everyone was disgruntled about that.
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  Then you had like travel breaking down and all this stuff
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  and I was like watching, obviously quite apprehensive
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  about the whole thing and depressed because I couldn't go
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  on tour. Well, and your experience in UK
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  was I would say like among the more extreme experiences?
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  We were like locked. You guys were like.
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  Locked down like in Virginia and, and Tennessee where we are
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  right now, like, I mean, and I can only speak to Virginia, but
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  we couldn't go to a restaurant for two or three months and sit
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  down and eat. You just had to pick up if you
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  didn't eat. And then like schools were shut
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  down. They were doing schools online
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  and outside of that, that was kind of it, except that people
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  were sick and dying in hospitals were crazy or whatever, which is
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  awful, you know what I mean? You know the worst part about
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  it? But the, you know, having
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  friends in UK, Yeah. And other in LA and places like
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  that that were more like stringently locked down.
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  Yeah, I can't. I didn't have that experience.
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  But how we were. Especially I was in Scotland at
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  that time. I actually got stuck in Scotland
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  because they closed the border between the two of them, and
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  that's how I ended up just being in Scotland.
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  Yeah, I stayed there and. But I just had this thought the
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  whole time, like, oh, shit, maybe this is the thing that
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  gets A, everyone to mistrust everyone in power and then B,
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  everyone to like, this is going to make me sound like a
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  Christian right now. But like, turn to your neighbor.
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  Like I thought maybe there was going to be this apocalyptic
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  moment and it was going to have to be like, right, who's the
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  Baker, right? Don't piss them off.
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  Be really nice to them because I need bread next week.
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  And I was like, this is going to be sick.
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  That's cool though. But it didn't happen.
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  It's fucking worse than ever. Well, is it maybe?
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  It's that and then that, honestly.
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  Didn't get better, but it's like us back to this thing I'm at and
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  I don't. I don't want to labor it or bore
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  your viewers. But that's the thing.
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  I'm like, is it if I put a different lens on it, like
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  maybe, yeah. Kids.
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  Though help your neighbor. You have kids.
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  I do I. Get out of jail free card of
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  kids because you can. Tell me what that means.
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  You can guilt free put all of your emotion, all of your, you
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  know, everything you have to do for your kids that's guilt free.
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  You can't be guilty for that. I don't have kids.
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  So back to your point of like, should I feel guilty about all?
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  If that was your point, I never said should I feel guilty, I've
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  said should I feel obligated to some degree.
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  OK, the obligation. I'm beyond me feeling guilty
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  about my my heart and my soul. I grew out of that.
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  I feel like I will too. I feel like I would feel less
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  obligated. If you had children.
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  If I had children. Interesting.
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  I think if I had children. So what is it about the?
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  Rest of the world would disappear.
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  OK. What is it about children that
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  makes that happen versus some other?
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  You tell me purpose. That you might have.
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  Which is. Maybe like, I don't know.
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  It's on your doorstep, isn't it? It's on your doorstep and you
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  have to. Oh, they're screaming.
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  Yeah, and one of them is screaming.
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  And it's yours. As I wake up, yeah, sure, I got
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  young children. That they don't become a serial
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  killer and that they're safe and that's on you.
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  So the bandwidth, you have to put that bandwidth into doing
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  that. Well, yeah, you do the best you
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  can. I mean, as a parent you, you
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  just try to support them in becoming the person that they
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  are and not mess that up without the cuss on this show you just.
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  Can't say the C word. The C word.
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  The UK. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I don't. I don't.
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  I don't want to say that. Americans are funny about it.
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  We say all the time, but I've demonetized for it.
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  That's funny because it does. Yeah.
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  You travel enough and you realize there's a different con
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  connotation over there than. Funny story, Merriam Webster,
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  the word #1 is vulgar slang for women and I think in the Oxford
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  dictionary it's an idiot. And then #2 is vulgar slang for
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  women. So it's like.
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  But even it can be chummy. Oh yeah, we we the UK like we.
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  Appropriated it. Yeah, for sure, mate.
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  Which, you know, happens as well.
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  But anyway, anyway, I won't I won't say that.
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  Back off the C word, I can't remember.
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  Where we were, But yeah, yeah. Well, I don't want to get too
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  philosophical with you, but that happened naturally.
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  I like it. Yeah.
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  So I mean, you know, there's, I just think, you know, in kind of
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  maybe closing that or closing my thought process on that, that
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  there is like a lot of horrible things going on for sure.
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  And the ones that I prioritize as most horrible may or may not
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  be different than the ones that you do.
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  And that's OK. We have different experiences,
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  but there's so much like good stuff happening too.
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  And it doesn't mean that I don't care or that I don't hurt when
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  people hurt. It just means that, you know, I
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  wake up every day with an option to focus on like love and light
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  and children and music. And some days I do a pretty good
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  job at that. And not always, but I do always
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  do a better job at that. It's like, it's like in relation
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  to how much I'm on the social media.
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  Yes, what I was on it. Which is not was going to be,
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  you know, mind blow a mind blowing revelation.
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  We all know I. Had a similar similar situation.
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  Not to keep going on about it, but let's go, let's go.
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  Talking. Where I disconnected a bit more
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  the last sort of year, partly from being so busy doing all
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  this stuff. And I did notice.
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  Much happier. Yeah.
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  And then I even today someone pissed me off on Instagram.
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  How pissed off was I earlier? Really pissed.
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  Off at someone you don't even know.
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  Yeah, someone I barely know. Yeah.
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  And then we're just sending me a message about something.
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  It wasn't even that bad, but then you just kept going on
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  about it and I was like, this is a time vacuum.
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  Well, and don't we talk to people in on that in that form
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  of communication differently? Oh, I 10 we like then when I
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  mean just like if particularly like other accounts or like
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  people we don't know in the physical form, like we will
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  talk. It's kind of like when you get
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  in the car, your whole demeanour is different than it is when
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  you're not in your car or often is what you know.
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  So it's just like, I don't know, man.
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  Especially when I can't drive properly.
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  My demeanour's awful. Well, you're a baby.
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  Yeah. You're you're you're you're
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  belittled. Right.
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  I'm so belittled. Anyway, to further your point,
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  I'm. It was difficult.
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  Now everything's pretty cool. I'm quite settled here now.
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  I quite like it. What?
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  Do you do for fun besides work? Because I know you're like me,
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  which work is fun. Work is the most fun.
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  It's so fun and then I'll complain about working too much,
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  but it's like when I get time free I just create more work for
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  myself. Yeah 100% and I genuinely love
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  it like genuinely love it but I guess eat but like what every.
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  Is fun too. Work and eat is.
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  That's fun. Yeah, there's a lot of good food
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  in Nashville. People say that.
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  Yeah, you don't think, are you European?
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  Are you European? No, do you know what?
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  We've been to a lot of places that are really, really good
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  people who listen to the podcast all time.
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  They get so pissed off with this because I say it all the time.
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  Been to a lot of places that are really, really great.
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  Been to a lot of places where people have said they're really
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  great and you go and it's like a six out of 10.
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  And I don't know if that indicative of the overall
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  quality of American food, right? So like this is a.
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  You know, we've got a pitchfork one to five, and then you've got
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  a like, you know, Joe's blog, one to.
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  Five. I mean, I'm a simpleton.
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  I'm happy with Moss tacos out here in East Nashville.
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  Yeah, that delivered often. That little Thai sushi joint
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  Bitter bite. Oh my God.
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  Love it. It's the best restaurant in
• 20:36
  Asheville. It's really, it's great.
• 20:38
  That's made my day. It's great.
• 20:40
  Because everyone else hypes up this other place.
• 20:44
  No, this is the best sushi. I don't need the other place
• 20:46
  I've never been to. Guess what?
• 20:48
  It's not. It's like.
• 20:49
  I'm not going to the other place.
• 20:50
  We've got a term in the UKI don't know if you have it in
• 20:52
  America, which is mutton dressed as lamb.
• 20:56
  OK. Do you have that?
• 20:57
  No. OK.
• 20:58
  So it just means, you know, if you were buying what you thought
• 21:01
  was lamb meat and it ended up to be sheep, which is inferior
• 21:04
  tasting. OK.
• 21:05
  So not that either of these places sell mutton.
• 21:08
  We we don't eat much of either here, but the.
• 21:10
  Phrase mutton dressed as lamb is like something that on the
• 21:13
  outside looks like it's going to be great and then you go and
• 21:16
  it's not actually that good. That is quite a lot of places,
• 21:19
  but bite a bit and master. It's bite a bit, OK, A bit,
• 21:22
  yeah. Terrible name though.
• 21:23
  It is, I know. For a place that's that good.
• 21:27
  Awesome name. I don't Yeah, yeah, I don't
• 21:29
  care. Could.
• 21:30
  Bite a bit today though to be fair.
• 21:32
  We got to get onto some stuff, obviously.
• 21:33
  We got to talk. Here's the issue.
• 21:35
  I've got so many questions for you like.
• 21:36
  Fire away. Look at this.
• 21:39
  I'm going to have to decide what to do.
• 21:41
  This is my job, apparently, because I'm a big Lamb of Golf
• 21:45
  fan. OK.
• 21:46
  Thank you. Big lamb of golf fan.
• 21:48
  We haven't met, but we did follow each other on Twitter,
• 21:51
  which we both quit Twitter, I believe.
• 21:53
  Yeah. And then we're both at the same
• 21:55
  wedding last month. I think we locked eyes.
• 21:59
  And then I was like, I'll speak to him later.
• 22:00
  Didn't see you again. Yeah.
• 22:01
  And I think I knew. I'm pretty sure I knew then when
• 22:05
  I that that I was going to be doing this with you.
• 22:08
  I think I knew by then and probably would have mentioned it
• 22:11
  was just you. Know it was on my.
• 22:13
  People listening that it was, it was a wedding with a lot of
• 22:15
  people there and we just kind of, I didn't make it into your
• 22:18
  circle and you didn't make it in mind.
• 22:20
  Were you in Sharon Osbourne Circle?
• 22:22
  No, I didn't speak to Sharon that night.
• 22:24
  Me neither and I got it. I didn't.
• 22:27
  I had no idea that what I'd even say.
• 22:29
  I just like saw that she. Was you've never you haven't
• 22:32
  talked to. Her never met and she's lovely.
• 22:34
  She had some so many people there around her and I was just
• 22:39
  like, what would I even say? Like probably just say something
• 22:41
  really British. She's wonderful.
• 22:43
  But yeah, so I was I wanted to meet about wasn't going to you
• 22:46
  know, she's probably still grieving and she wedding and I
• 22:49
  go hello mate. You like tea like yeah, that
• 22:53
  would have been rubbish. You recently celebrated 7 years
• 22:57
  cyber. OK, we're going to go in there.
• 23:00
  Yes, I did. Yeah.
• 23:01
  Can we go there? Sure to it.
• 23:03
  Yeah, we can. Be part of the law.
• 23:06
  Yes, it's the law. I was going to ask specifically.
• 23:09
  Congratulations, thank you, Thank you.
• 23:11
  Is that difficult at stuff like weddings and like fest the
• 23:14
  festive season? It's not difficult for me
• 23:20
  anymore. I think maybe, you know, the
• 23:21
  first year or two there might have been events that I would,
• 23:27
  you know, kind of dip out of pretty quickly If people I but
• 23:34
  for different reasons. I just I don't like being around
• 23:36
  drunk people. Now.
• 23:38
  It's not fun to be around drunk people and not in a way of like
• 23:41
  I think I'm better than you or you.
• 23:43
  Why? You know, it's nothing like
• 23:45
  that. Like I could who would I to as
• 23:48
  you know, the way I drank and used like who would I to be
• 23:51
  judging someone like that? It's just like not the kind of
• 23:53
  energy I want to be around. So no, it's not it's not
• 23:56
  difficult in that sense. I really, I really genuinely
• 23:59
  enjoy being sober. I'm happier, I'm much happier
• 24:04
  and my life is far more manageable.
• 24:08
  The people that love me and the people that are around me tend
• 24:11
  to be more at ease. I find myself to be more
• 24:15
  productive overall. I'm a far better parent.
• 24:20
  I'm a Better Business partner, bandmate, I'm a better son.
• 24:25
  You know, there's just like nothing bad that happens from
• 24:30
  getting clean and sober in, in my estimation, in my experience.
• 24:33
  Seven years. It's it's difficult to do
• 24:36
  depending upon how far along you one is and whether or not they
• 24:42
  have a problem. I definitely had a problem.
• 24:45
  Yeah, yeah, most people for a long time.
• 24:46
  Most people would have, I mean, December 27th, yeah, 2019, Is
• 24:53
  that what it was 2? 1018 Two. 1018 Oh my God, we're
• 24:56
  in 2026. Most people would have waited
• 24:58
  four days. It goes sober.
• 25:00
  Yeah, it's, it's, it was, it was going to be Christmas, but I, I
• 25:05
  couldn't. So you had you had a plan to
• 25:07
  quit What I was going to say, was there one thing that tipped
• 25:09
  you over the edge or do you have a plan to do it?
• 25:11
  I was coming off, I don't want to get too graphic, but I was
• 25:13
  coming off of several things, you know, and one in particular
• 25:20
  I, I kind of needed to wean down and so I had set a date to be
• 25:25
  completely done with that. And you know, I didn't, I missed
• 25:31
  the date by a little bit. I was very, very uncomfortable.
• 25:34
  Good for you. Yeah, man.
• 25:36
  I don't want to talk about that a lot.
• 25:38
  No, it's OK. I just, you know, now it's I, I
• 25:41
  can talk about in certain contexts for sure, but you know,
• 25:44
  if anybody that's watching or listening to your show thinks
• 25:48
  that it's impossible to imagine a life without drugs and
• 25:51
  alcohol, I promise you there is one.
• 25:53
  That's what I was going to. That's for my next question was
• 25:55
  going to be you got any advice for anyone who's maybe thinking
• 25:59
  about? Find someone who got clean and
• 26:02
  sober and ask them what they did and, and listen to what they did
• 26:06
  and try to do. It had a bunch of people I had
• 26:09
  been around some cats and I don't want to drop names or to
• 26:13
  talk about anybody else's, you know, experience in this, in
• 26:16
  this way. But I had some people around me
• 26:19
  that ran as hard as I did and then stopped.
• 26:23
  And some, some of those dudes had been done for a while and I
• 26:28
  watched their lives get better as mine was getting just worse.
• 26:33
  You know, I'm, I'm fortunate to have had a front row seat for
• 26:37
  people turning their lives around before I was able to do
• 26:40
  that in that way. Have you managed to be that
• 26:43
  person for someone else? Yeah, yeah, a couple of cats,
• 26:45
  yeah. I bet that feels pretty good.
• 26:47
  I mean, that's what it's all about, you know?
• 26:49
  Do you have to get the old phone call where they're like, Oh
• 26:51
  yeah, yeah, damn. That's yeah, we're a whole
• 26:54
  you're. Like should I feel guilty for
• 26:55
  this whole you're a St. We're, no, I'm certainly going
• 26:58
  to say we're a whole little underground scene and checking
• 27:01
  in on each other. It's like a, it's like a whole.
• 27:03
  It's like a whole world going on.
• 27:04
  That's awesome. Sober cats, yeah.
• 27:06
  Have you got any voices left even like non?
• 27:12
  Man, sugar haunts me. I just I all these people that
• 27:15
  are like I gave up sugar completely.
• 27:17
  I can't. I mean, I can, but I haven't I.
• 27:21
  Mean give yourself something. I'm right.
• 27:23
  Come on, man. And coffee like I drink coffee.
• 27:25
  Like I saw you with the tea. I was like, surely he's not gone
• 27:29
  that far. Well, it's just because I've
• 27:32
  already had a gallon of coffee, you know what I mean?
• 27:34
  Did you go to Allergy? Oh, I was no, my manager called
• 27:38
  on while I was on the way over there and then I pulled over to
• 27:41
  talk to him and I talked to him for a little while and then I
• 27:44
  was like, put it in the phone to find where LG was never closed
• 27:47
  so. Oh, damn.
• 27:48
  Oh, by that point, yeah. I went to the they do so I went
• 27:52
  to the big corporate monster. Should you feel guilty for that?
• 27:55
  It's a whole another kettle of fish.
• 27:57
  I'm not even going to talk about it.
• 27:58
  I'm not even going to touch on it.
• 27:59
  I'm not even going to. Go there.
• 28:00
  I don't stop. You shouldn't feel guilty.
• 28:03
  You don't feel guilty, man. I don't.
• 28:05
  I'm fine. Good, good.
• 28:06
  I don't want you to feel guilty. I want you.
• 28:08
  To forgive you, I want you to treat yourself like you would
• 28:11
  treat your very best friend in the whole world.
• 28:13
  I'm kind of doing like an extensive bit though to myself
• 28:18
  where I'll say something is like like I'll I'll pretend to be
• 28:25
  either either sides of an argument just depending on how I
• 28:28
  feel if something happens around around town or whatever.
• 28:32
  This is an inner monologue or you.
• 28:34
  Mean no, just outwardly. And then I'm like, I don't
• 28:36
  really mean that. I'm just joking.
• 28:38
  Like, let's say we'd be driving somewhere and you've got the
• 28:40
  Starbucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:42
  And I was like, well, don't you know, and all this stuff.
• 28:45
  And I've like I would be joking and in my head.
• 28:48
  You would wait until I reacted. Yeah, and I'm like.
• 28:51
  OK, I bagged that. My big one at the moment with
• 28:54
  that is like we both because we both, we have both left Twitter,
• 28:59
  right? Right, right, right, right.
• 29:01
  What I find really funny at the moment with the AI thing is
• 29:06
  people who are very vocal about anti AI.
• 29:12
  And for the record, I'm so anti AI for anything creative.
• 29:16
  I want to talk about that. Do you want to talk about it?
• 29:18
  Let me get on to my soapbox and I'll remove myself from the
• 29:23
  soapbox. OK, let's take Spotify as an
• 29:25
  example. Everyone that is very annoyed at
• 29:28
  Spotify and there's very many legitimate reasons to be annoyed
• 29:31
  at Spotify, but then they take to Twitter to complain about
• 29:37
  Spotify. OK, Do they?
• 29:39
  I don't know. I've been on Twitter.
• 29:40
  On. I mean, I'm sure it happened.
• 29:42
  Probably I'm. Just guessing, but it's like you
• 29:44
  then. My exit from Twitter wasn't It
• 29:48
  was hard to not say it like you say, Twitter my you can say.
• 29:52
  It you can do it if you want. It's called X.
• 29:54
  Oh, that's right. That's right, right.
• 29:55
  The bird app. My exit from there wasn't like
• 29:57
  any sort of like statement of protest or disgust.
• 30:01
  It just kind of got lame, like it just got, it just wasn't fun
• 30:06
  to be on anymore, you know what I mean?
• 30:08
  So I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to have dropped it, the
• 30:14
  best of which is probably like, just fuck social media in
• 30:18
  general. Doom scrolling.
• 30:19
  Right, You know what I mean? But it wasn't a protest of
• 30:24
  anything. And I don't say that to say that
• 30:27
  there's nothing to protest. I just mean like for me
• 30:29
  personally it was like this sucks, why am I on here?
• 30:32
  So I saw screen grab of a Twitter post on Instagram.
• 30:39
  OK, which is now how I see Twitter things.
• 30:41
  Yeah, sure. And it was.
• 30:43
  Tiktok, yeah. It was someone asking Grok which
• 30:50
  is the Twitter AI. OK, I didn't know that.
• 30:53
  A question about I can't even remember what it was.
• 30:56
  It was two people and it was one of them was, I think it was.
• 31:01
  I was like, spot the war criminal in this photo or
• 31:04
  whatever. One of those things, right?
• 31:05
  It's like a gotcha moment for Grok.
• 31:07
  And then on the actual tweet, it scrolled across and the same
• 31:10
  person was arguing about how terrible AI is for creation.
• 31:15
  And there's like 1 post later, they're using AI for a gotcha,
• 31:19
  right? And like, at that point I'm just
• 31:21
  like, guys, just just shut up. You guys have all these
• 31:25
  feelings. Just be a bit.
• 31:27
  Fucking just shut up a bit. Yeah, just.
• 31:29
  Be quiet. Anyway AI, what's your thoughts?
• 31:32
  You seem seem ready to go with some AI.
• 31:35
  Questions. Well, I don't know a lot about
• 31:37
  it. I think we probably, I would
• 31:39
  guess, I don't think because I did again, I don't know much
• 31:41
  about it. My guess would be we all are
• 31:43
  using it more than we realize. Google's pretty AI.
• 31:46
  Google's pretty AI and then, you know, everyone's on ChatGPT and
• 31:50
  then there's probably even, well, certainly like the
• 31:56
  algorithm. I mean, what is that?
• 31:57
  You know what I mean? Yeah, it's definitely.
• 31:59
  Yeah, I think they've they've made something, I don't know
• 32:03
  what the exact achievement happened to start calling
• 32:07
  everything AI, but I'm pretty sure we've been using.
• 32:09
  Right, right. Intelligence that's artificial
• 32:12
  for our hot minute. Again, here's my question.
• 32:15
  I don't, I don't have a stance, but I do have a question.
• 32:18
  And you're an artist and you know, we're creatives.
• 32:20
  Isn't there a version of this where if a computer can write a
• 32:24
  better riff than me then, and play it more passionately and so
• 32:29
  that it sounds more, you know, exciting, then should I rethink
• 32:34
  my approach to my songwriting or to my instrument if a computer's
• 32:39
  really kicking my ass, like, Or should I try and shut that
• 32:43
  computer down? I mean, there's two separate
• 32:46
  counter arguments there. Let's hear them because I don't
• 32:50
  want to. I don't want to.
• 32:53
  And look, I'm I'm 53 years old. Lamb of God has had a 25 year
• 33:00
  career. Riffs.
• 33:02
  I got riffs. You got so many.
• 33:03
  Riffs I still I still got. Them I haven't even talked about
• 33:05
  them, but you've got. Them I got riffs, I don't mind
• 33:07
  saying, but my point is not to say that.
• 33:09
  My point is to say I'm not going to have to wrestle with AI
• 33:15
  creatively as much as younger cats and up and coming bands,
• 33:20
  right? True.
• 33:21
  So I have that luxury of saying, I mean, are you really scared of
• 33:26
  their AI? Because they're so terrified.
• 33:29
  Then then get your chops up, man.
• 33:31
  No, Why? Then that's, that's the only way
• 33:34
  I look at. And it's coming from this sort
• 33:36
  of bravado of like, you know, bring it, you know?
• 33:39
  OK, so #1 anything it can beat you at, let's say a riff with
• 33:45
  more passion or anything like that, say it can hypothetically
• 33:48
  do that. It's trained to do that off your
• 33:52
  own riffs and other people's riffs without you authorizing it
• 33:58
  to do that right, Which is a, you know, privacy breach, I
• 34:02
  guess. But I mean, people do that all
• 34:04
  the time. To each other person is don't
• 34:07
  you use their brain? The thing is, people are coming
• 34:09
  out with these AI bands. Yes.
• 34:12
  Right, right, right. And they are getting 400,000 to
• 34:15
  100 to 1,000,000 monthly listeners immediately.
• 34:19
  Spotify algorithm doesn't pick up that it's an AI band.
• 34:22
  It gets pushed to a bunch of people and then that's less
• 34:25
  people listening to Lamb of God. Does it really not know that
• 34:29
  it's AI or is it better off than it is?
• 34:33
  What For them? Yeah, because they make more
• 34:36
  money. And then that's less people
• 34:38
  listening to Lamb of God. It could get you.
• 34:41
  You don't care because you've got kids.
• 34:43
  It comes back to that. You're in that you are in.
• 34:46
  I don't care because I'm just, I'm breathing and I'm healthy.
• 34:49
  I'm healthy today. And it's just, I just, man, I
• 34:53
  care because what are we going to do about it?
• 34:56
  That's what what are, what are. We gonna do about it.
• 34:58
  Are we gonna get mad about it and talk about it on our
• 35:01
  podcast, or are we gonna go home and open up?
• 35:05
  Oh. You want to store.
• 35:06
  Like this? Are we gonna go home and make
• 35:08
  shepherd's pie and and and do a watercolor and drink some
• 35:13
  Jasmine tea? You said you wanted to talk
• 35:14
  about I always. We're talking about it and I'm
• 35:16
  I'm not gonna drink Jasmine tea and do a watercolor, although I
• 35:19
  could get a watercolor set for Jasmine tea and I do love some
• 35:22
  Jasmine tea. Awesome.
• 35:23
  So I might do this thing but like.
• 35:26
  No wait, stay on topic because it's a good fucking chat so.
• 35:29
  That's where I find like my relief of any fear of AI As is,
• 35:34
  I have clung and subscribed and clung to this notion of like, if
• 35:39
  it beats me, then I deserve to be beaten by it.
• 35:42
  Yeah, but I, I think you should feel guilty for this one, OK?
• 35:46
  So on behalf of other people, there'll be people out there
• 35:49
  that kids out there that want to live the musical life that
• 35:53
  you've lived on the stages, on this stuff, and AI is going to
• 35:56
  make it exponentially harder for.
• 35:58
  Them it will and it won't. I mean, AI is not going to go
• 36:01
  put on a show. You know that feeling when you
• 36:04
  play a show and the walls of the room are breathing?
• 36:07
  You know what I'm talking about? Like you've played hundreds of
• 36:10
  shit and and the room is like pulsing and it's like the walls
• 36:13
  are sweating and it's and there's a smell and a power.
• 36:17
  Yeah, the best shows, right? AIAI is not going to do that.
• 36:21
  I went to a show. I went to a show Saturday night.
• 36:24
  I went to a show Saturday night. My brother-in-law is in his like
• 36:29
  early mid 20s and he has a band and they played with a bunch of
• 36:33
  local bands. My wife and I went out, we had
• 36:37
  tea. Speaking of tea, we went out to
• 36:39
  this beautiful like nice like French restaurant.
• 36:42
  We had a nice little light dinner and some tea.
• 36:45
  And then we we split there and we went to this like dingy like
• 36:50
  basement venue where Gabe's band was playing with a bunch of
• 36:54
  other bands. And man, it was, it was like
• 36:57
  probably 300 kids in their average age was probably like
• 37:01
  23. There weren't, I mean a couple
• 37:04
  here and there, but you, the, the phones weren't all in the
• 37:07
  air. People were laughing.
• 37:09
  There were just just widely like diverse group of kids, like all
• 37:13
  looking heavy metal rock'n'roll. That's not it's, I was like, I
• 37:16
  almost wept because it felt to me like 1993, like when I was
• 37:22
  coming up. And it's like the world is.
• 37:24
  Man, I'm not denying it. That's.
• 37:26
  Not the best and and and you know, please, I'm not on this
• 37:29
  high horse of like, I'm not on my phone.
• 37:30
  I'm not I made a post about it on Instagram, right?
• 37:33
  So I'm on Instagram way too much, you know what I mean?
• 37:35
  So please, like, I'm not like I'm not better at this than
• 37:39
  anybody. I'm just saying like this is
• 37:41
  what how I aspire to think about it all is.
• 37:45
  It's not. Yeah, I and I like.
• 37:47
  It's only as serious as you take it.
• 37:49
  I mean, there are some problems with the world that that doesn't
• 37:51
  apply to, you know what I mean? But.
• 37:54
  See, I do think you are slightly privileged in.
• 37:59
  That I have the luxury of having that.
• 38:01
  Opinion, you did say. I have the luxury of having that
• 38:04
  opinion because I've already done the bit.
• 38:07
  The mid level musicians, OK, maybe not even what I'm saying.
• 38:11
  Your point is correct, AI can never do those kind of shows,
• 38:15
  but it is going to remove a lot of work for mid level musicians
• 38:22
  in writing music in additional performers on stage.
• 38:28
  It sucks. It sucks.
• 38:30
  I agree, we got him, it sucks. Yeah, I agree.
• 38:33
  I agree. I like your you're right though
• 38:35
  this this shows it cannot replicate the shows.
• 38:38
  Maybe I have AI have like a chip on my shoulder.
• 38:41
  We have to. Decide what we want.
• 38:43
  I don't think we can do anything about it.
• 38:45
  We can't do this. That's that's really the thing.
• 38:47
  And I've had this I I had recently, he probably won't mind
• 38:51
  me saying I recently had a had a little.
• 38:53
  It certainly was an argument. It was kind of a a back and
• 38:56
  forth with Randy, our singer about it, which he's just fired
• 39:02
  up like mad at AI. You know, I'm just.
• 39:04
  A photographer. What do you is?
• 39:06
  He married, of course he's mad at AI.
• 39:08
  Sucks I'm not defending it but I'm just saying like.
• 39:11
  You better like look better. Devil's advocate.
• 39:12
  What are you? Well, what are you going to do
• 39:13
  about it? You don't walk around mad.
• 39:15
  You're not going to there's not going to be so like it's the the
• 39:18
  genies out of the bottle. You're not going to shut it
• 39:19
  down. Like just like figure out a way.
• 39:21
  There needs to be a watermark that has to be like has to be on
• 39:27
  something that's AII know they're doing them, but like
• 39:30
  they're getting removed. But like, I'm talking a digital
• 39:32
  pixelated watermark that can irrefutably prove something
• 39:37
  that's a is AI not just for art. But then they'll figure out like
• 39:41
  who's who's going to, who's going to enforce that?
• 39:44
  And then and then at what point will it, you know, not be in
• 39:47
  their best interest to enforce it or to apply, you know what I
• 39:50
  mean, like. Yeah, you're right.
• 39:52
  Like someone's going to figure out a way to profit off of.
• 39:55
  There's one every. Single thing because as a
• 39:58
  civilization we seem to just. Worship money, and that's really
• 40:03
  a shame. That's why we're here.
• 40:05
  That's why we're in this situation with AI.
• 40:08
  There's one flip side that I think to AI that will be good
• 40:11
  other than the fact I think it's I think, crucify me if you want,
• 40:15
  but I think like AI should free people from menial tasks in
• 40:22
  order to do stuff like creativity, walk the dog, hang
• 40:26
  out with their kids. What could it do for healthcare,
• 40:28
  like for, you know, for science and stuff?
• 40:30
  I don't. Know that stuff I'm all for.
• 40:32
  Maybe it's terrible, maybe it's great.
• 40:33
  I don't know. I'm not cured, I'm not smart
• 40:36
  enough, but it seems like to me. It cured a bunch of stuff.
• 40:39
  I think maybe one thing. Don't know, Madison's on Google.
• 40:43
  We'll wait for her. Simon cut me saying a bunch of.
• 40:45
  Stuff. Why nothing?
• 40:47
  Wrong. That was the joke, Simon.
• 40:49
  Leave that on it. So like, I'm all for it for
• 40:51
  stuff like that. I'm not for it for creativity.
• 40:53
  But there's one thing that I am kind of come back to my I feel
• 40:58
  like a bit of an anarchist in this thought, same thought that
• 41:01
  I had in COVID where I was like, yes, I'm going to burn down when
• 41:03
  I start again, when all these AIS videos start going around
• 41:08
  with people doing crazy shit and everyone's like, that's AI,
• 41:11
  that's not AI. Every single person of the
• 41:13
  political spectrum, no matter where you are, is going to have
• 41:17
  to universally agree for the first time in human history.
• 41:20
  Seeing something with your eyes, well, that can be wrong.
• 41:24
  Right. And that's the thing, all this
• 41:26
  has led to the, I mean, the, the, the Internet is pretty
• 41:33
  obsolete, at least in its original sense, right?
• 41:35
  It was supposed to be this wealth of information, but the
• 41:38
  truth is now you can't really tell what's real and what's not.
• 41:44
  So it's sort of eaten itself in the sense that, I mean, I think
• 41:50
  it's maybe not all the way there yet.
• 41:51
  But to to your point like what value is any of it if we don't
• 41:56
  know? If you don't know if it's true.
• 41:57
  If it's true, or at this point if it's even real, even if it
• 42:02
  looks real, it sounds real, seems like it might be real, you
• 42:04
  don't trust it. And you know.
• 42:06
  What I mean so so. Cool, because everyone's going
• 42:08
  to have to go to the Baker. Kind of this acceleration is
• 42:12
  kind of like like approach. So like, yeah, burn it down,
• 42:15
  yeah. Hurry up, we need to talk about
• 42:18
  fucking music. We haven't even talked about
• 42:19
  music. We haven't talked about.
• 42:20
  This is great. I'm really enjoying this man.
• 42:22
  This is the thing, right? I'm having a great time.
• 42:24
  You were having a great time. When we don't talk about music,
• 42:27
  quite a lot of time the fans don't have a great time.
• 42:31
  I know. There is a big bit on AI.
• 42:33
  What did AI cure just for the? I'm not saying anything it's
• 42:37
  curing, but it does do stuff that I was helpful in like
• 42:40
  cancer screenings. It's all just like research
• 42:44
  stuff like saving the beads. It has the cameras, microphone
• 42:49
  sensors and stuff on beehives and stuff.
• 42:51
  Since bees are be like bees. He's a big We like bees.
• 42:55
  We love. Bees it can you stuff like
• 42:59
  projecting and seeing what climate change can be, but it's
• 43:03
  not. Like playing out models.
• 43:05
  Right. But I'm not seeing anything of
• 43:06
  things that it has like straight up here.
• 43:08
  I'm just seeing examples of ways that it can put all the
• 43:12
  information together. That stuff's cool.
• 43:14
  Do that. Don't make my man's riffs even
• 43:17
  though he doesn't care. I don't care.
• 43:18
  Any computers listening. This is not your whole past to
• 43:22
  go make some Lamb of God riffs. Speaking of riffs, we're not
• 43:26
  even getting to the album yet. Fuck you guys.
• 43:30
  We're going to get there because it's a Ripper.
• 43:32
  What are you doing in Nashville? I'm in town doing some
• 43:36
  promotional stuff for Gibson, among others, Yeah.
• 43:40
  Because. Well, because we're working on
• 43:42
  some new cool things. And you're not allowed to talk
• 43:44
  about that. I don't think so.
• 43:45
  You've been like teasing it for your fucking years.
• 43:49
  Well, it's so much fun, man. So I'm a bit of a gear nerd, you
• 43:52
  know, So to have been, you know, invited into the House of Gibson
• 43:58
  and like I was, and to be around all that stuff and, and have
• 44:03
  people that listen to ideas that I have, it's, it's really, it's
• 44:05
  really fun. So you went to Gibson.
• 44:08
  Are you going to Gibson tomorrow?
• 44:10
  I'll be in and out of Gibson this week.
• 44:11
  To do what? OK.
• 44:17
  I have a signature model Les Paul coming out but it's not
• 44:20
  announced. Fucking knew it.
• 44:23
  We. Can cut, we can cut it.
• 44:24
  If it's, you don't know it's going to be announced.
• 44:26
  You can just leave it like this. So if you're seeing this, it's
• 44:28
  been announced now, but if you're not.
• 44:30
  Or you could ask them if you can soft announce it.
• 44:33
  I soft announced my ride and it ended up doing great for sales.
• 44:36
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool.
• 44:38
  That's cool. So, yeah, we've been developing
• 44:40
  a new guitar model for some time and I'm excited about it.
• 44:44
  And I've been playing the protos and people are talking about
• 44:46
  them. You know, the guitar nerds are
• 44:48
  seeing pictures. I mean, is that it?
• 44:50
  You know so. That's amazing.
• 44:51
  That's super cool. Yeah.
• 44:52
  What a what an honour, you know. Do you think you're there yet or
• 44:55
  is this what you're? Oh, yeah, no, I'm there.
• 44:56
  You're there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:58
  So what's the trip for? Just to fuck around.
• 45:00
  Oh, you mean content? Oh, it's done, It's done.
• 45:03
  Tell me about this guitar. The thing about the Les Paul, I
• 45:08
  have a signature model Les Paul coming out.
• 45:09
  It still sounds crazy to even say that.
• 45:11
  It's the one. It's the one.
• 45:14
  Les Paul's have always been there for me.
• 45:16
  I have done, made, endorsed, had signature models with other
• 45:21
  brands, with another brand. Fantastic instrument.
• 45:26
  Nothing bad to say about that experience at all or those
• 45:29
  instruments. Absolutely wonderful experience.
• 45:33
  But the DNA of a Les Paul was in that.
• 45:37
  And Les Paul's have always been around.
• 45:39
  They've always been at home, they've always been in the
• 45:40
  studio in addition to whatever else I was playing.
• 45:42
  But the. Constant has been a Les Paul,
• 45:46
  and a couple years ago I sort of got the opportunity to start
• 45:50
  talking to and working on a signature model Les Paul.
• 45:55
  And what a thrill. You know, it's a Lamb of God.
• 45:59
  You know, I play a lot of different kinds of music, but
• 46:02
  obviously most notably Lamb of God.
• 46:04
  So it is very much a heavy metal oriented Les Paul.
• 46:07
  It's on the Les Paul modern platform.
• 46:09
  So it has this the slim taper neck and it's got that like
• 46:13
  shaved heel. So you can really access the
• 46:16
  higher the higher frets. It's a real, it's a real sleek
• 46:19
  looking guitar. It's like a satin finish.
• 46:21
  Trans black. Oh yeah.
• 46:24
  Yeah, it's, that's great. It's real cool.
• 46:26
  Yeah, awesome. Even just the way you were
• 46:28
  talking about it now I can tell you are so stoked.
• 46:30
  I love it, man. I love it.
• 46:31
  I love, I love the whole process.
• 46:33
  I love the people I work with. They're super, super cool.
• 46:36
  Do you think if you went back to an 18 year old Hart Morton and
• 46:40
  said you're going to have a signature?
• 46:42
  There's. A Gibson.
• 46:43
  It's a Gibson. It's a Gibson.
• 46:46
  It's zero chance. I would believe that.
• 46:48
  Yeah, it's similar thing with me.
• 46:50
  Recently I got a symbol out with Zildjian.
• 46:53
  It was a prototype. Then it went into the K line as,
• 46:57
  as my thing and it was just like, it felt like I've not
• 47:02
  achieved anything near what you've achieved in your life.
• 47:05
  But it felt like the pinnacle moment of my music career
• 47:10
  because it's Zildjian. I'm fucking grew up.
• 47:12
  It's like Lars is playing Zildjian like and it's like,
• 47:15
  wait, there's one and it's mine and it's still, it's been out
• 47:19
  for a year and I'm still just every day I'm like, I got a
• 47:21
  symbol with Zildjian. And it's, we get to do cool
• 47:25
  shit. My, that's a thing.
• 47:26
  My wife and I say all the time, we'll like be reflecting on
• 47:30
  something that's happened or somewhere we went or some event
• 47:33
  or, you know, something we've done with the kids or whatever.
• 47:36
  And just like man, we get to do cool shit.
• 47:38
  We get to do some cool shit. I'm pretty sure you say that all
• 47:41
  the time as well. Yeah, she also.
• 47:43
  Can we do something cool? Cool shit.
• 47:45
  Yeah. That wedding the other day that
• 47:46
  you were also at? Cool shit.
• 47:47
  Cool shit. Wait, Speaking of that wedding,
• 47:52
  there's a bit of a click bait E question that I was just
• 47:55
  actually wasn't designed for that.
• 47:58
  But it's more like me thinking about the wedding, thinking
• 48:01
  about Sharon Osbourne. You did Oz Fest twice.
• 48:05
  You ever meet Ozzy? I have met Ozzy, yes, just
• 48:09
  briefly. I've never had like a real
• 48:11
  locked in conversation with Ozzy.
• 48:13
  My favorite Ozzy story is we were on tour with Black Sabbath.
• 48:22
  I think it was that 04 tour with Black Sabbath.
• 48:25
  Crazy sentence. Yeah, and it was one of these
• 48:29
  places where there's like these this big like Amphitheatre or
• 48:33
  something and there's these like kind of long like cinder block
• 48:35
  hallways behind the underneath or whatever going down to
• 48:40
  whatever, you know, guts of the building.
• 48:43
  And I was walking somewhere in those in that little maze of, of
• 48:49
  tunnels halls and Ozzy and his assistant were he was walking
• 48:55
  off stage and it was just them too.
• 48:58
  And he passed me in the hallway just walking past me.
• 49:04
  And he just said, hey, man, what's up?
• 49:07
  And I mean, you know, like I have been around like far less
• 49:16
  impactful celebrities or musicians or whatever, whatever
• 49:18
  the word, you know what I mean? Like who won't even like look at
• 49:22
  you? And that's fine.
• 49:24
  Like you don't, you don't, you don't owe me nothing.
• 49:26
  You know what I mean? Be where you're at.
• 49:27
  But that's, that's my favorite Aussie story.
• 49:31
  Because he didn't. He didn't have to.
• 49:33
  Just a guy. Just.
• 49:34
  He's like, hey man, what's up? That's awesome.
• 49:37
  It's awesome, yeah. Alright, P, I'm not going to go
• 49:41
  into it because any, any of the stuff we mentioned at beginning
• 49:44
  sobriety, all that stuff is all in your book.
• 49:47
  Yeah. Yeah, Desolation.
• 49:49
  I just have one question on that which was did you write it?
• 49:53
  Every word. Every word.
• 49:55
  Every single word. Yeah.
• 49:57
  There was no dictation. There was no that's.
• 49:59
  What I was going to say or did someone help or like?
• 50:01
  Now someone help? So Ben O Papari is it's listed
• 50:04
  with Ben O Papari as like Co writer, but I wrote every single
• 50:08
  word and Ben really just kind of cleaned stuff up.
• 50:13
  I have a tendency to write like I talk, which is I'll say things
• 50:18
  twice in a row. I like the way you talk, it's
• 50:20
  perfect for me. Well, it doesn't read very well
• 50:23
  when I just you know, and so The funny thing about writing
• 50:28
  100,000 word book is that I don't type very well at all.
• 50:33
  And so I was really just kind of like 4 fingering my laptop all
• 50:38
  the way through the book. But I I got it done.
• 50:40
  But it it would it took a long time just and the the the
• 50:44
  impracticality of not really being a very good type typist
• 50:49
  typer can't type very well at all.
• 50:51
  You can. Write a book.
• 50:52
  Can't say the word type. What?
• 50:56
  How long did it take? That's what I wanted to know.
• 50:58
  Well, I, I had two years to do it because I asked for an
• 51:01
  extension at one point of like 6 months.
• 51:03
  I think it was going to be 18 months.
• 51:04
  And then I asked for an extension maybe at a year.
• 51:07
  I probably had like four or five chapters.
• 51:10
  So that last eight or nine months I was I was hustling.
• 51:14
  I wrote it on tour like worldwide.
• 51:17
  So it, it really took me probably four or five months of
• 51:23
  like getting into a hotel room and not pan because I would get
• 51:26
  into a hotel room on tour and for a day off or whatever and
• 51:30
  and be like, OK, I got to write a chapter or two chapters today.
• 51:33
  You know, it was like really. And I didn't have, I had a
• 51:38
  couple like stories that I, I figured I should write about,
• 51:41
  but every time I sat down to write a chapter, I was just
• 51:43
  freestyling. So if I wrote, you know, chapter
• 51:47
  5 again, it would be completely different because I was just
• 51:51
  freestyling. That's insane.
• 51:52
  It was pretty insane. How long did the audio book
• 51:54
  recording take? So that as funny someone was
• 51:56
  texting me about that today because a friend of theirs was
• 51:59
  doing 1 and they wanted to know, you know what logistically it
• 52:03
  took. So that was I did, I did it in
• 52:05
  five days and they were about 6 hour days.
• 52:07
  That's not as bad as I thought it would be.
• 52:09
  It got faster. It's a skill set as you know
• 52:12
  that you have recording oneself talking and.
• 52:17
  It's cool that you did that. I think it's really there.
• 52:19
  There was a couple stories, one in particular, but there are a
• 52:22
  couple stories in that book that I just couldn't stomach the idea
• 52:25
  of someone else giving voice to. Yeah, and it just, it's, some
• 52:29
  people listen to audio books all the time these days, and it's
• 52:31
  just so much more authentic coming from the source.
• 52:35
  Which came first, the publisher or the book?
• 52:38
  My Co writer, he's called a Co writer again.
• 52:41
  He didn't write, but he he he tidied things up quite a bit and
• 52:45
  kept it organized. His AI.
• 52:47
  My AI is my. AI is no, certainly not.
• 52:49
  Was a friend before we did this. And he has a place down in the
• 52:53
  Outer Banks of North Carolina, which I go with my family pretty
• 52:56
  much every year. It's like our our beach spot.
• 53:00
  And anyway, we were down there together having coffee and I was
• 53:02
  telling some story about band stuff, you know, and he was
• 53:07
  like, man, you really have a book in you.
• 53:08
  And I was like, I don't know about that.
• 53:10
  I don't even read books. He's like, now we should, we
• 53:12
  should just see if we can, if we can go into let's do this.
• 53:15
  You write that story you just told me.
• 53:17
  Write that out in a chapter and I'll clean it up and then we'll
• 53:22
  send it and see if we can get a book deal.
• 53:24
  And that's exactly how it happened.
• 53:26
  We sent it to war. I did what he said.
• 53:28
  I wrote that story out, you know, we backed and forth,
• 53:31
  worked on it just a little bit. And then he sent it out and got
• 53:35
  a got a book deal. Because it would be a shame if
• 53:37
  you wrote it all and then it didn't see the light.
• 53:41
  Of that would be someone asked me that again.
• 53:43
  I've been getting a lot of book questions lately.
• 53:46
  Another friend of mine is writing a book and my advice was
• 53:48
  write at least half the book so that you don't run into what I
• 53:52
  ran into, which is I've got 4 chapters in nine months.
• 53:56
  Deadlines. To do it.
• 53:57
  And now, like, I'm just hustling.
• 54:00
  I fucking hate a deadline. But it's it's I hate them too.
• 54:02
  But at the same time it's there's value and not just being
• 54:07
  the like drag it out and keep working on stuff.
• 54:09
  Same with music like. Oh, I need one I.
• 54:13
  Just hate them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, same, same.
• 54:15
  That is a a future evade man. It's disgusting.
• 54:20
  Lights up and everything. It's disgusting.
• 54:22
  It's my own. I got so lucky when I quit
• 54:26
  drinking and drugging and all that the the cigarette addiction
• 54:30
  just just vanished. It's amazing.
• 54:32
  It was all interconnected into this fiending mindset.
• 54:36
  And once once that was broken, I didn't, I didn't want a
• 54:41
  cigarette. I bought all the vape stuff.
• 54:43
  I was like, I'm going to switch to vaping and I and it was like
• 54:45
  more plugs and gadgets and it was more annoying.
• 54:48
  Than it looks so lame. Oh, I don't know, it's that.
• 54:52
  You know what looks lame about it To me the most is how many
• 54:55
  damn vape shops there are. Every corners of vape shop.
• 54:58
  Like how many? I feel the same way I do about
• 55:01
  vapes as I do about guns. OK, some people are unhappy with
• 55:04
  my opinion on guns. Well, it would be informed by
• 55:09
  where you grew up in the culture with which you were raised.
• 55:12
  No, no, I'm gonna flip this on on its head, OK.
• 55:15
  Like, I think guns are cool. I do agree that they should be
• 55:20
  banned were if if it was possible to like his In the UK,
• 55:25
  we had one mass shooting and then everyone went right, no
• 55:29
  guns. Guess what, no more mass
• 55:31
  shootings. That's never going to happen
• 55:32
  here. If they turned around tomorrow.
• 55:35
  I feel about vapes about the same the same way like I'm going
• 55:38
  to quit vaping. It's on my To Do List.
• 55:40
  But you got to really want to do it right now.
• 55:41
  I don't really want to do it. Yeah.
• 55:43
  You do. But like if they banned vapes
• 55:45
  tomorrow, I wouldn't as a vapist as a gang vapour.
• 55:50
  I wouldn't, I would I would be like, yeah, that's the right
• 55:57
  move. I wouldn't be like and then guns
• 56:00
  gun like I don't have a gun yet on my on my thing.
• 56:04
  But I think guns and Co I would responsibly own a gun and go to
• 56:08
  the range. Like I think that's cool.
• 56:10
  I'm a little boy. I think that's cool.
• 56:12
  However, if they banned them all, I'd be like, yes, that was
• 56:15
  the right thing to do. Yeah, that's my opinion.
• 56:18
  We need to talk about fucking music.
• 56:19
  OK, good. You know what I'm talking about.
• 56:22
  Guns. We can talk about guns if you
• 56:23
  want. Yeah, I've got.
• 56:25
  You got? Are you a gunsmith?
• 56:26
  You know, I've got a a number of guns and I think some of a
• 56:32
  couple that people think would be crazy or whatever, but I'm
• 56:36
  also of the opinion that that they were probably too easy to
• 56:40
  get. Yeah, see same thing.
• 56:42
  So, you know, I feel like, like most things, I find myself kind
• 56:46
  of in the middle. Yeah.
• 56:48
  Like I, I don't, I can't. There's no reason I shouldn't be
• 56:51
  able to have a gun. Yeah.
• 56:53
  In the United States of America, I'm a law abiding, responsible
• 56:56
  citizen. But in retrospect, it was very
• 56:58
  easy to get that gun. But I think it it was probably a
• 57:01
  little too easy to get. And I don't want to be a gun guy
• 57:04
  podcast, but we got from vapes to guns, which means the vaping,
• 57:08
  the. Means we're in America, baby.
• 57:09
  The vaping needs to be on on the podcast, which is something I've
• 57:12
  been trying to avoid because I'm embarrassed by my vape
• 57:15
  prediction. Anyway, music.
• 57:17
  All right, music. That's that's why we're here.
• 57:21
  One hour on the dot, we talk about music into oblivion.
• 57:25
  Yeah. It's fucking awesome.
• 57:27
  You like it. Congratulations.
• 57:28
  Thank you. No, I only do.
• 57:30
  I like it. I fucking love it.
• 57:31
  What do you love about it? I'm not.
• 57:33
  Trying to put that later on in question.
• 57:35
  OK, but. Why?
• 57:36
  Why do you love it? Because this is good Intel for
• 57:38
  me. You're going to ruin the order
• 57:40
  of my questions, but let's do it because it's a conversation.
• 57:43
  I hate press. I hate it.
• 57:45
  That's kind of the reason I started the podcast was because
• 57:48
  there's no good press. I want people to just talk and
• 57:50
  people to watch and go. That guy's cool.
• 57:52
  I'll check his band out rather than like when you were writing
• 57:55
  the album, like that festival. Yeah, because I'll get that, you
• 58:00
  know, three dozen times. You're going to get that, and I
• 58:02
  want you to leave this being right.
• 58:03
  That one was good. I'll do that next time.
• 58:05
  Yeah, when we win the Grammy. I'm.
• 58:06
  Having a great time. Oh.
• 58:08
  Wouldn't that be nice Dig? No, it wasn't shade.
• 58:12
  If it was, that was. Shade five time.
• 58:14
  Loser rating. If it was a dig I would have
• 58:16
  said always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
• 58:20
  You were robbed, in my opinion anyway.
• 58:22
  Only on one. Only on one.
• 58:24
  Sacrament. Yeah, the red, the redneck.
• 58:26
  Yeah, you were robbed. I don't know that we were
• 58:28
  robbed, but that's the one. You won that year.
• 58:30
  I think Slayer, well Slayer won that year from.
• 58:33
  What record? Exactly.
• 58:38
  And that's not I love Slayer. I love, love, love Slayer.
• 58:44
  I, I love Carrie, I love Tom. I I love Slayer man.
• 58:49
  Christ, Christ, illusion, but it been that one.
• 58:51
  I I honestly, Craig, I think it was not even.
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  I think it was like. I remember you.
• 58:56
  It was like a live version of a song that had already been
• 58:59
  released, but then it was Grammy available because it was
• 59:02
  released a different version. You know I.
• 59:05
  Remember a robbing like a real life robbing, not just it being
• 59:10
  Slayer. So if it's live, then yes, you
• 59:12
  were absolutely robbed. Yeah, I don't, I could be wrong
• 59:15
  about that, but probably not because that one stung.
• 59:17
  I was like, man, you know, that was a big moment.
• 59:20
  That redneck was a big thing. Maybe it's dated now, or maybe
• 59:24
  it sounds like a a a time gone past or whatever, you know what
• 59:27
  I mean. Back to argue.
• 59:29
  You asked me why do I like it? Yeah, yeah.
• 59:31
  So what is it? You've heard the new record.
• 59:34
  Multiple lessons. OK, cool.
• 59:36
  It's, it's really fascinating for me to hear your take on it
• 59:39
  because I, you know, I'm so immersed in it, that very
• 59:44
  fishbowl line. So I'd love to hear what, what
• 59:47
  your take on it was, what you like about it, what you feel was
• 59:50
  missing, what you feel was lacking.
• 59:53
  What did we do right? I would love to be correct in my
• 59:57
  assumption. It sounds like, and it might
• 1:00:01
  just be the reason I love it so much is because of my age.
• 1:00:07
  Early Lamb of God was. My metal childhood, like once I,
• 1:00:14
  you know, obviously I did Slayer and Metallica and all that
• 1:00:19
  stuff. When did lamb pop up on your
• 1:00:22
  horizon? 2007 Download Festival.
• 1:00:27
  OK, Yeah. Mainstage.
• 1:00:29
  You were there, Yes, that was. I think I and I had listened to
• 1:00:35
  Lamb of God before that. Oh no, it would have been.
• 1:00:38
  No, that was just a pivotal and it was the first time I saw you
• 1:00:40
  guys because I Ashes of the Wake was the one that got me.
• 1:00:44
  So when the album came out. You.
• 1:00:46
  It was specifically the videos of Chris and Willie playing the
• 1:00:52
  drum videos and of. Course, because you're.
• 1:00:55
  Big Drum nerd came out and I was like holy shit, what?
• 1:00:59
  And then got into Lamagot from there.
• 1:01:01
  But like that I think that was Modern Drummer, right?
• 1:01:04
  2003, maybe 2004. I'm 16 at that point.
• 1:01:10
  So I already, you know, I listened to Metallica.
• 1:01:12
  I already listened to metal and a bit punk and a bit hardcore,
• 1:01:16
  and then Ashes of the Wake, I'm like, holy fucking shit.
• 1:01:21
  So, you know, I dig backwards from Ashes of the Wake.
• 1:01:25
  Obviously Sacrament comes out after that.
• 1:01:27
  Sacrament after. Yeah, actually, yeah.
• 1:01:30
  Professional. And that's me noticing, oh,
• 1:01:36
  there's this new type of heavy metal that's coming out.
• 1:01:40
  And so I have a really nostalgic part of that.
• 1:01:43
  You wanted some fucking crazy to 2024 Spotify Wrapped.
• 1:01:48
  Most listened to album. The remix of As the Palace is
• 1:01:53
  blown because I listen to it in the gym all the fucking.
• 1:01:56
  So I have a real side note. I'm going to get into it.
• 1:02:00
  One of very few albums in history that I believe needed a
• 1:02:04
  remix. People do the remix.
• 1:02:06
  It's usually a bummer or or inconsequential one of the two.
• 1:02:10
  Demi Borgia Puritanical, recently remixed.
• 1:02:13
  Remixed that. No need.
• 1:02:16
  I don't want that remix. I love that record.
• 1:02:18
  Oh, I know I didn't. Even know they remixed.
• 1:02:19
  It it's not good, Yeah, seemed like a cash grab, but Ashes of
• 1:02:23
  the Way is like one, No, as the palace is burned.
• 1:02:26
  It's like 1 or few records that I loved when they came out or
• 1:02:29
  whatever. But I would listen to him and be
• 1:02:30
  like, just imagine that with with a decent mix.
• 1:02:34
  Anyway, Long story short, pivotal in my sort of
• 1:02:37
  discovering of this new wave of heavy metal.
• 1:02:41
  So there's a nostalgic part of me in those records, and this
• 1:02:46
  record feels like those records. OK.
• 1:02:51
  Now, am I wrong that you've can't?
• 1:02:54
  Is it was a can't? Is it?
• 1:02:56
  Am I looking through rose tinted spectacles or was there a
• 1:03:00
  conscious decision to bring a bit of the old back?
• 1:03:04
  So I'll tell you, and we all come into these things with our
• 1:03:10
  own perspective and mindset. It's Lamb of God is very
• 1:03:13
  collaborative and there's no meeting before we get going
• 1:03:17
  about what our, you know, premise is going to be or
• 1:03:19
  anything like that. But I do think collectively we
• 1:03:26
  we're we're having conversations about what is it that we've
• 1:03:29
  gotten away from, not because of anything's necessarily wrong
• 1:03:33
  because you know, we've some of the more recent work we were
• 1:03:37
  feel really excited about. Ditch is a monster.
• 1:03:39
  We play that from the last album.
• 1:03:42
  We we we play that almost every night and Resurrection man,
• 1:03:45
  those are all new songs that are big in a live show and and and
• 1:03:48
  we're into Momenta Mori was massive.
• 1:03:53
  But it's like what what have we gotten away from?
• 1:03:57
  That was really at the genesis of this thing that was really
• 1:04:00
  like the cornerstones that we built it on.
• 1:04:01
  And rather than and so two things happened for me.
• 1:04:05
  We did and I don't remember exactly where we were in the
• 1:04:08
  writing process, but we did a tour that was the Ashes of the
• 1:04:13
  Wake 20 year tour. So that had us and you know, me
• 1:04:20
  going into those songs and and learning them inside out.
• 1:04:24
  You know, some of those songs, I think a couple of the songs we'd
• 1:04:26
  never played live. I don't know the the stats on
• 1:04:30
  that, but certainly most of them we hadn't played in a long time,
• 1:04:34
  right? So I was digging into those
• 1:04:36
  songs. So when you, when you learn
• 1:04:38
  something like that and rehearse it so much, you start to
• 1:04:41
  understand the patterns that you're not really, oh, I don't
• 1:04:46
  really do that move anymore, you know what I mean?
• 1:04:48
  But I'm doing it now because I'm learning this thing that's 20
• 1:04:51
  years old and kind of jumping off of that.
• 1:04:55
  I also rather than like go back and listen to palaces or go
• 1:04:59
  listen to gospel, which you know, I've listened those
• 1:05:02
  records from time to time just to like nostalgic, you know, you
• 1:05:05
  should check out for me as well you.
• 1:05:06
  Should check out the remix bro. But yeah, I, I have, but it's
• 1:05:10
  definitely to prove it. But so for me, like, I decided
• 1:05:13
  to kind of start going back to the music that I was listening
• 1:05:16
  to when we wrote those records. Oh, so I started going back and
• 1:05:22
  listening to the Haunted and to At the Gates and to, you know,
• 1:05:27
  early Meshuggah and all that kind of Swedish stuff that I was
• 1:05:30
  so excited about at that point in time.
• 1:05:34
  You know, there was a time that, you know, that Haunted made me
• 1:05:37
  do it. Record Man I.
• 1:05:38
  Was so. Good.
• 1:05:39
  Burning that thing down, yeah, it's so good.
• 1:05:42
  And and, you know, slaughter the soul at the gates.
• 1:05:44
  That's just like absolute classic record.
• 1:05:46
  So just kind of going back there and like getting excited about
• 1:05:51
  re tapping back into the my excitement around those bodies
• 1:05:56
  of work and then allowing that to, you know, inspire what I was
• 1:06:03
  doing when I was picking up a guitar again.
• 1:06:06
  So I'm right. Yeah.
• 1:06:10
  I, I really, I was really worrying about that question
• 1:06:13
  because I didn't want you to go. I don't.
• 1:06:16
  Think it sounds like like ashes or like.
• 1:06:21
  No, I'm not. Yeah.
• 1:06:22
  But so. So in that sense, yeah.
• 1:06:24
  So like, I'm not like, and I interrupted you, but there's no
• 1:06:28
  part of that question that would be offensive, but.
• 1:06:30
  I thought you might think that, that you.
• 1:06:35
  Yeah, I thought that you may think that.
• 1:06:38
  I'm saying it sounds just like those.
• 1:06:40
  But to me, it just sounds like, you know, it's someone, no?
• 1:06:44
  Way, because I know the record, it doesn't sound like you know,
• 1:06:46
  and yeah. Exactly how you just mentioned
• 1:06:48
  it, like you tapped back in. It's interesting that you didn't
• 1:06:50
  tap into your old stuff, but you tapped in to what inspired the
• 1:06:54
  old stuff. And it's funny you said early
• 1:06:56
  Meshuga because I did often wonder where the Lamb of God he
• 1:07:01
  breakdown sort of stuff in the early stuff was influenced by.
• 1:07:06
  Yeah, I mean destroy race and prove like.
• 1:07:08
  My favorite band of all time. OK, yeah, I mean, that's one of
• 1:07:11
  my favorite metal. Rifles for sure.
• 1:07:13
  Unreal. Some of some of the stuff, you
• 1:07:16
  know, they get so abstract that I don't, you know, I'm, I'm
• 1:07:21
  probably impatient as a listener for some of the stuff that
• 1:07:24
  they've evolved into. And that's not a criticism.
• 1:07:27
  It just means like for me, like the the the sort of essence of
• 1:07:32
  the basic groove that destroy race improve has that weird like
• 1:07:37
  groove with an extra angle. Yeah, but it still grooves like
• 1:07:41
  that was a big influence. Yeah, the crazy thing about that
• 1:07:44
  record? Not with a click.
• 1:07:47
  Yeah, that's not crazy to me. I mean, given the contents of
• 1:07:51
  it, it's kind of crazy. Yeah.
• 1:07:53
  Yeah, you're doing that without a click.
• 1:07:55
  You guys are just really good. Like, right.
• 1:07:58
  Fucking insanity. Was there Lamb of God albums
• 1:08:01
  without a click? Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:08:07
  Yeah, Gospel didn't have a click.
• 1:08:09
  Click. Burn the Priest record didn't
• 1:08:10
  have a click. Palace is probably going to
• 1:08:13
  click. We don't.
• 1:08:14
  We don't use one live though. Yeah.
• 1:08:16
  You can't fucking art crews on the drums.
• 1:08:19
  Might as well be a click. We do that guy.
• 1:08:22
  I know art from way back. Yeah, great guy.
• 1:08:25
  He is a great. Guy, I feel like one of two
• 1:08:29
  things happened with arts performance on this record.
• 1:08:33
  In my opinion, he either felt more comfortable to spread his
• 1:08:37
  wings or you guys let him spread his wings more.
• 1:08:42
  On this record, I. Think he felt more comfortable.
• 1:08:49
  I think we, you know, this is Art's third record.
• 1:08:53
  So the self-titled record. I think there was probably a a
• 1:08:58
  little bit of a little bit of, of intense, more intense focus
• 1:09:06
  on the drum parts. Just because we didn't, you
• 1:09:09
  know, we had such a large body of work with Chris and and that
• 1:09:16
  sound is a, you know, it's the Lamb of God sound.
• 1:09:19
  So to change drummers and have the drums be like drastically
• 1:09:25
  different, didn't feel it didn't feel right for us.
• 1:09:29
  It didn't feel fair to anybody, including the listeners.
• 1:09:33
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:09:34
  I mean, I got into the Lamb of God through the drum videos, so.
• 1:09:37
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, you know, art the, the
• 1:09:41
  beauty of art being our drummer is he is such a big fan of the
• 1:09:47
  body of work of Lamb of God. And that's become a resource for
• 1:09:50
  us when we're songwriting because we can get a perspective
• 1:09:53
  from art that we don't have ourselves.
• 1:09:55
  We can be like, you know, he, he can say things like, well, Lamb
• 1:10:00
  of God in 2009 would have done this.
• 1:10:04
  You know what I mean? I can hear it.
• 1:10:05
  And we trust that perspective because, you know, we know how
• 1:10:10
  important the band's music was to him coming up and how
• 1:10:13
  formative it was for him. So he's in a unique position to
• 1:10:17
  be able to honor that sound and also run with it, which he has
• 1:10:23
  done. So I think on the self-titled
• 1:10:25
  record it was the drums were treated a little more
• 1:10:27
  conservative in terms of making big sweeping changes
• 1:10:30
  stylistically. And then over the course of the
• 1:10:33
  Omen's record and now into oblivion, you see that sort of
• 1:10:38
  evolving. Yeah, he's.
• 1:10:39
  As it should. He's popping his pussy on this
• 1:10:42
  one and there's there's so many little callbacks to just like to
• 1:10:47
  early Lamb of God, like the the feels someone talk all about
• 1:10:50
  drums. You're a guitarist, but like the
• 1:10:52
  feels where you know he's just cutting into the bell during a
• 1:10:56
  fell and that feel is also a groove.
• 1:10:58
  It's like. The bridge on Saint Catherine's
• 1:11:02
  wheel, the drums on that I don't know if you picked up yet, but
• 1:11:05
  that's like one of my favorite recorded Lamb of God drum
• 1:11:10
  performances. Absolutely fucking smashed.
• 1:11:12
  You know what my favorite part in the album is?
• 1:11:14
  Speaking of riffs. But we know.
• 1:11:16
  Let's see. Or do this from fucking memory.
• 1:11:18
  Good luck. No, I don't think I will be able
• 1:11:20
  to. The fast riff about 3/4 of the
• 1:11:24
  way through, maybe halfway through sepsis.
• 1:11:28
  Fucking banger riff. Yeah, unreal riff.
• 1:11:31
  And now you've mentioned the haunted and at the gates and I'm
• 1:11:35
  like, yeah, that's just makes so much bucking sense.
• 1:11:37
  Doesn't sound like them, but you know, it sounds like a guy that
• 1:11:39
  loved those fucking records. Yeah, I kind of top out with the
• 1:11:43
  haunted one kill wonder was I didn't really revolver.
• 1:11:49
  I didn't. It's not I didn't like it.
• 1:11:50
  I just didn't really. I think I've fallen.
• 1:11:52
  I've gone mega into like death now at that point or something,
• 1:11:55
  but haunted maybe do it. The Haunted Yeah 1 kill wonder.
• 1:12:00
  Just fucking extreme riffs. I can't play the guitar to save
• 1:12:04
  my life, but I fucking love a riff.
• 1:12:06
  If you could, you'd want to play like that.
• 1:12:07
  I would love to, yeah. That's, yeah.
• 1:12:09
  That's why you do it. Like that's they got to feel
• 1:12:13
  good. Those kind of riffs.
• 1:12:15
  That groove, yeah, I mean. I got to I'm sure you saw him,
• 1:12:19
  but like seeing before he passed, seeing at the gates play
• 1:12:23
  Slaughter of the Soul. I never saw at the gates.
• 1:12:27
  Oh my God, I never got to. See, crazy.
• 1:12:29
  It's a tragedy. I'd seen him at a festival
• 1:12:34
  whenever, like a while ago, and then I saw them do Slaughter of
• 1:12:38
  the Soul from front to back on I think it was last summer.
• 1:12:43
  And it was just fucking incredible with me.
• 1:12:45
  And who was it? Me, Will Putney and Pat
• 1:12:48
  Sheridan, Just so the stage just fucking yeah this is.
• 1:12:53
  Amazing. Sick.
• 1:12:53
  I'm glad you got to do that. Yeah, Speaking of fit for an
• 1:12:56
  autopsy, you have a. The homies you.
• 1:12:59
  Have a such a good fucking tour coming up.
• 1:13:02
  Yeah, March, April. I had a question on it.
• 1:13:06
  So it's it's Lamb of God. Forgive me if the order is
• 1:13:08
  wrong. Lamb of God.
• 1:13:10
  Yep. Kubla Khan.
• 1:13:12
  Yeah. Fit for an autopsy, sang with
• 1:13:14
  Sugabog. Unreal lineup.
• 1:13:18
  I believe the tagline is the heaviest tour of the year, and
• 1:13:21
  it fucking is. Is it not?
• 1:13:23
  I love every single one of those bands.
• 1:13:25
  Yeah, and you're playing in Nashville, so I'll fucking be
• 1:13:27
  that. Awesome, and we're friends now
• 1:13:30
  so we can hang. Fuck yeah.
• 1:13:32
  I was secretly hoping that I was talking about that earlier.
• 1:13:34
  I was like, I wonder if we're we friends?
• 1:13:35
  Last time so you totally ignored me.
• 1:13:37
  No, you ignored me too. Fucking big time.
• 1:13:40
  Oh sorry, I can't be Aussie and say what's up.
• 1:13:43
  Yeah, even Aussie speaks to me that we.
• 1:13:45
  Fucking we, we, we both were going to talk to each other.
• 1:13:48
  What I wanted to ask is like, is picking those kind of bands
• 1:13:52
  still in the hands of you guys? Is like, do you?
• 1:13:57
  Yeah, you're picking your band's really fucking big.
• 1:14:00
  I don't really know how it works when.
• 1:14:01
  You really big, right? Sure, sure, I mean.
• 1:14:02
  Someone else making those decisions.
• 1:14:04
  So, right, we have a team of people from management and
• 1:14:09
  booking, etcetera, etcetera. You know, it's Lamb of God is a
• 1:14:12
  big band and there's a, there's a big organization associated
• 1:14:15
  with it. And but yeah, we, you know,
• 1:14:20
  there's suggestion. First of all, you know, booking
• 1:14:22
  a tour, you have to see who's available and then you have to
• 1:14:25
  see who's interested and then you have to see if you can
• 1:14:28
  afford it, how much money they want, what's reasonable, you
• 1:14:31
  know, all those kind of things that, that matter, you know, But
• 1:14:35
  once you start like, it's, it's sort of like a, a collective
• 1:14:38
  process of massaging all those things into place to get the
• 1:14:41
  coolest tour you can. And I I like the one we got this
• 1:14:45
  time. Yeah.
• 1:14:46
  It just, it just feels like heavy and cool and.
• 1:14:49
  Yeah, it's fucking great. And just the real.
• 1:14:52
  It feels like the sort of tour maybe Lamb of God would have
• 1:14:57
  been in Kubla Khan's position on the tour in like 2000 and four,
• 1:15:04
  2000, you know what I mean? Like one of those toys where
• 1:15:06
  it's just like real fucking heavy new music.
• 1:15:09
  Like everyone's, everyone's new, pretty much.
• 1:15:12
  Yeah, or in or in Fit 4's position 2000.
• 1:15:15
  I get, yeah. Two.
• 1:15:16
  Yeah, yeah. He's like, yeah.
• 1:15:18
  It's like, it's like one of those tours.
• 1:15:20
  It's like just some really. It's a real metal tour.
• 1:15:22
  Not that, you know, I don't know.
• 1:15:23
  We do metal tours, but there's like this one feels grimy and
• 1:15:28
  cool and heavy. Sango Sugabog is one of my my
• 1:15:32
  favorite albums of last year. I loved that album.
• 1:15:34
  I haven't seen them yet, I'm looking forward.
• 1:15:35
  To seeing them, I haven't seen them either but big fan.
• 1:15:37
  I've seen everybody else. Big fan of what they're doing
• 1:15:40
  with death metal now. Yeah, there's a lot of like the
• 1:15:42
  revival death metal stuff, which I do like.
• 1:15:45
  It has the, the, it's almost completely a copy of the 90s
• 1:15:52
  death metal sound, which, you know, I like still.
• 1:15:54
  But I did also like it earlier, and I'd still like those records
• 1:16:00
  sang with Sugabog. Just just notch it up a little
• 1:16:02
  bit with slightly more complex patterns.
• 1:16:05
  Always a weird drum bit or whatever, like just injecting
• 1:16:09
  that new blood into it. Fucking love that man.
• 1:16:12
  It's going to be a great tour. You recorded it in three
• 1:16:15
  different studios. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:18
  Drums in Richmond. Drums in Richmond.
• 1:16:21
  Vocals in LA. Vocals in LA.
• 1:16:23
  Guitars and bass at yours. At the crib, yeah.
• 1:16:27
  You've got a little studio set up.
• 1:16:29
  Yeah, of course you did. Yeah.
• 1:16:30
  He's a Rigsman is there? Was Josh Wilbur long time
• 1:16:37
  producer? Yeah.
• 1:16:39
  Did he come and do that with? You he did?
• 1:16:41
  Yeah, for sure. Oh sick.
• 1:16:43
  So I was wondering if it was more of, you know, you just did
• 1:16:46
  it and then there it goes up, no.
• 1:16:48
  No, no, no. He comes out a bunch like, so
• 1:16:50
  he'll come out when we're writing and we'll do demos
• 1:16:52
  together and we're kind of like putting songs together and
• 1:16:56
  writing, rewriting, and that's usually getting music together.
• 1:17:00
  It's it's a lot of times me, Willie and Josh just kind of
• 1:17:03
  like stringing riffs out and trying to get sort of
• 1:17:05
  structures, just basic outlines of songs.
• 1:17:08
  And then as things start to get, you know, a little put together
• 1:17:12
  where you can, it's something to listen to, then we start
• 1:17:15
  bringing everyone else in to hear it, see what they like, see
• 1:17:18
  what they don't like, see what ideas they have for, you know,
• 1:17:21
  so it's just sort of this kind of blooming sort of situation.
• 1:17:26
  I did. I did wonder because when I saw
• 1:17:29
  all three of those studios, I was like, what the hell is he
• 1:17:31
  producing? That makes a lot more sense.
• 1:17:33
  Yeah. If you don't mind going real
• 1:17:35
  nerdy about that, how are you writing those initial demos?
• 1:17:41
  You, Willie and Josh. That starts independently with
• 1:17:45
  Willie and I where we're just, he has a like a, a workstation
• 1:17:50
  set up at home as well. And we will in between tours or
• 1:17:55
  whatever downtime, just start kind of constructing ideas.
• 1:17:59
  I don't remember actually which he might use Cubase, I use
• 1:18:06
  logic. Same big up the logic.
• 1:18:08
  Yeah, and I'll just riff with like real basic, like EZ drummer
• 1:18:15
  drums and, you know, kind of put riffs together and just get a
• 1:18:19
  loose, like rough draft of a song.
• 1:18:21
  Willie is way more into making his Willie's demos sound cool.
• 1:18:25
  Oh, he's one of those. Yeah, he's like, he's like
• 1:18:27
  putting like 80 eights and stuff on his demos.
• 1:18:30
  Yeah, yeah, they sound sick. Mine don't.
• 1:18:32
  They sound like a four track, you know what I mean?
• 1:18:35
  And then when we have some stuff or when it's time to start
• 1:18:38
  looking at what we have, we'll just kind of show up and hang
• 1:18:40
  out. Josh usually come out for that
• 1:18:42
  and we'll just listen to demos and see what's cool, what's
• 1:18:45
  cool. And you know, him and I both
• 1:18:48
  usually if, if we have 7 demos, we've usually written the same
• 1:18:52
  song twice in our, in our batch. You know, there's like version A
• 1:18:57
  of this song and then version B of the same song or I bet that.
• 1:19:00
  Works well to like take a couple of sections.
• 1:19:03
  Because there's parts cars, you know, like a salvage yard.
• 1:19:05
  You just kind of, well, this bridge is cooler.
• 1:19:07
  Let's use that. And then so you you will then
• 1:19:10
  sit with Josh and flesh those out into a full song.
• 1:19:14
  Well into a draft. Yeah, like an arrangement wise.
• 1:19:19
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:21
  And then we'll go to the other guys.
• 1:19:24
  Well, you know, depending on the song, it it doesn't it, it does
• 1:19:30
  no, because like Randy will come in and listen to stuff and be
• 1:19:34
  like, I like that one. Can you can you like send me
• 1:19:36
  that one? I want to write.
• 1:19:37
  I want to write to that. That one's grabbing me right
• 1:19:39
  now. Or, you know, Art will come in
• 1:19:43
  and we'll have AV kit set up and he's like, let me let me take a
• 1:19:44
  couple passes at this and see if I can see, see what's feeling.
• 1:19:47
  Cool, come up with something. Yeah, spicy.
• 1:19:49
  Yeah. And Campbell will typically wait
• 1:19:52
  until the song is outlined, learn the riffs and then decide,
• 1:19:57
  you know, whether he wants to lock in, whether he wants to
• 1:19:59
  leave more space and stuff. So everyone's really
• 1:20:02
  attributing. Yeah.
• 1:20:03
  Yeah, what I was trying to weasel out of you is, is
• 1:20:05
  everyone jamming in their own way with these demos, And I
• 1:20:09
  guess they are. They are and and and and then we
• 1:20:13
  will play them as a band as well.
• 1:20:15
  So we're really, yeah, we're set up at my place.
• 1:20:17
  Well, like we rehearse at my place too, so we're all set up
• 1:20:20
  right there, so. Is that once everyone has agreed
• 1:20:24
  this is going to be. A song no.
• 1:20:26
  You'll jam before you'll jam. We jam a bunch of songs that
• 1:20:29
  that got that got. Jamming on a maybe for sure
• 1:20:32
  burning money and time because. It's in my house.
• 1:20:35
  Oh yeah, true. Everyone else has to.
• 1:20:37
  I'd be so pissed off if I'm travelling to jam a song that
• 1:20:40
  doesn't fucking. No, I wouldn't really.
• 1:20:42
  That's cool. That's almost to the letter.
• 1:20:44
  What Straighten the Path used to do?
• 1:20:47
  We would do me Tom, write our own stuff, Me Tom and Will have
• 1:20:53
  a little week together. Yeah, make them pretty much
• 1:20:56
  songs, send them to everyone else.
• 1:20:59
  I want to do this. Why don't this be two bars
• 1:21:02
  longer? All that stuff.
• 1:21:03
  But we didn't do the jamming bit.
• 1:21:05
  Yeah, some jamming soundtrack I guess, but not.
• 1:21:08
  Sometimes Willy always wants to jam it Soundtrack and like Willy
• 1:21:12
  is absolute encyclopedia of riffs.
• 1:21:16
  You'll be like Willy, what what was that song on wrath?
• 1:21:21
  It's like track 7. And he'll be what's it called?
• 1:21:23
  And somebody say and he'll be oh, and he'll just play it.
• 1:21:25
  You know what I mean? Whereas I, you know, I learn
• 1:21:30
  everything all I'm on YouTube like finding people like.
• 1:21:33
  Playing your. Songs and learning it from that.
• 1:21:35
  That's cool. As far for.
• 1:21:36
  Sure. Yeah, I do that.
• 1:21:38
  Do you? Ever leave a comment?
• 1:21:39
  No, I don't know if I know how to do.
• 1:21:42
  Me a favour because it will make someone's day.
• 1:21:45
  Next time you actively have to do.
• 1:21:46
  That how to leave a comment. Leave a comment saying just help
• 1:21:49
  me relearn this. That would be so fucking cute.
• 1:21:52
  Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you my Herman Lee
• 1:21:55
  story. This is back.
• 1:21:59
  I've met Herman. I don't know very well.
• 1:22:01
  You know, we've met and said hello.
• 1:22:02
  But he's a monster, right? Monster.
• 1:22:05
  Monster. Guitar Dragon Force for anyone
• 1:22:07
  who doesn't know. Absolute shredder.
• 1:22:09
  And this was, I don't know, when was this like around Wrath, I
• 1:22:13
  think. And it was, it was, I think it
• 1:22:15
  was on Grace. Yeah, there's a song called
• 1:22:16
  Grace. It's a cool song.
• 1:22:18
  And this was around, I think we were all still on message boards
• 1:22:21
  back then and everyone was like, Morton can't, he can't sweep.
• 1:22:25
  You know, everybody was sweeping, Morton can't sweep or
• 1:22:28
  whatever. So I got on YouTube and like
• 1:22:29
  Herman Lee had this like sweep tutorial and I literally learned
• 1:22:33
  that the first one on it and it's in Grace and then it's
• 1:22:36
  again in Ghost Walk and it's like the exact same lick and I
• 1:22:39
  just straight up learned it from Herman on.
• 1:22:41
  On and you learned it because people were talking shit.
• 1:22:44
  Because I can't sweep. I was like, all right, well, you
• 1:22:46
  know, I'm going to. I'm going to learn the sweep and
• 1:22:47
  then take like 50 passes at it in the studio and I'll catch one
• 1:22:50
  of them. That's fucking awesome.
• 1:22:52
  However, what would this new Mark Morton, who doesn't care
• 1:22:55
  about the Internet, who lives in the woods for?
• 1:22:58
  Someone who doesn't care about the Internet, I'm on the
• 1:23:00
  Internet do. You think that would bother you
• 1:23:03
  now? It's not even.
• 1:23:05
  That's like the final boss of Licks, isn't it?
• 1:23:07
  It's. Sweet.
• 1:23:07
  I don't know. I mean, you got the rest.
• 1:23:09
  You know what I figured out along the way through like lots
• 1:23:12
  of time with imposter syndrome is that I don't know, man.
• 1:23:16
  I got a thing. You know, it's like hard though.
• 1:23:19
  You probably go through this just like, why?
• 1:23:21
  Why are some of my friends that are, you know, way better
• 1:23:26
  players than me technically or whatever, not having this
• 1:23:29
  success that I've had or whatever.
• 1:23:30
  It doesn't feel fair. I haven't opposite problem.
• 1:23:35
  Which is what I mean. In what sense?
• 1:23:38
  I don't, I think, I think I have.
• 1:23:43
  I don't have it about music. I have it weirdly about the
• 1:23:46
  podcast. OK.
• 1:23:48
  People I see my friends trying to do, I said like a clothing
• 1:23:52
  line. I've got a clothing line.
• 1:23:54
  So I guess it's not the opposite.
• 1:23:55
  It's just different because the music thing, I have insane
• 1:23:58
  impostor syndrome to the point where I'm just very lucky if I
• 1:24:02
  get to play a tour. I'm just like, cool, I guess
• 1:24:04
  people care. Like I don't think I'm a good
• 1:24:07
  drummer. Like that's just a thing that I
• 1:24:09
  have. But with like the clothing line
• 1:24:11
  or the podcast, I will see friends and give them advice on
• 1:24:15
  how to do similar things. And then it doesn't blow up for
• 1:24:19
  them. And I do have that imposter
• 1:24:21
  syndrome there where I'm like, why?
• 1:24:25
  Why is it not blowing up for them?
• 1:24:27
  Is this all going to go away? Am I bad at it?
• 1:24:30
  I think I just figured out that like, I just have a thing and
• 1:24:35
  I'm around. Fortunately found my way into a
• 1:24:39
  group of guys where they make my thing cooler and I make their
• 1:24:46
  bit, make, you know, balance it out with something that's like
• 1:24:50
  me and Willie. Like we play so differently, so
• 1:24:53
  remarkably differently. And I'm real like ham fisted and
• 1:24:59
  kind of like swaggy behind the beat.
• 1:25:02
  And he's just like dead ass on it.
• 1:25:04
  And he plays very like a lot of patterns and stuff where I'm
• 1:25:10
  more just kind of Blues rock player, you know, but the the
• 1:25:18
  you know, the dynamic between these two styles, it it just has
• 1:25:21
  this thing a synergy. It's like greater than the sum
• 1:25:24
  of its parts. And so instead of like beating
• 1:25:28
  myself up about what I'm not good at, I'm just kind of like,
• 1:25:32
  I bring this to the table and it's useful in this environment
• 1:25:35
  and that's cool. It's nice that you can feel like
• 1:25:37
  that and be like me. Imposter syndrome to the Max
• 1:25:43
  about everything. I fucking.
• 1:25:44
  Do you don't? You don't have to feel that way.
• 1:25:46
  I do, though. No, you don't.
• 1:25:47
  You probably you do. I believe you when you say you
• 1:25:49
  feel that way. But believe me when I say you
• 1:25:51
  don't have to. I'm.
• 1:25:52
  Going to get good at the drums. You are good at the drums.
• 1:25:54
  I'm going to get really good at the drums this year.
• 1:25:56
  I've got I've got a drum lesson tomorrow.
• 1:25:58
  Let me tell you something. I'm going for a drum lesson.
• 1:26:00
  Drum lessons are great. I I haven't taken a guitar
• 1:26:04
  lesson in a minute, but I have. Before you say your statement,
• 1:26:06
  who would you take a guitar lesson off if if you had to?
• 1:26:10
  There's some cats in Nashville that I would love to take.
• 1:26:13
  I'd love to. I don't, you know, I don't know
• 1:26:16
  what he would do with me with Guthrie Trap.
• 1:26:18
  That would be cool to take a lesson from him, do you know?
• 1:26:20
  Yeah. So what we're going to say,
• 1:26:22
  Guthrie Govan? Oh well, that would be fun too.
• 1:26:25
  I've met him, he's from the UK, isn't?
• 1:26:27
  He I hit up Johnny denies that plays with anthrax and was is in
• 1:26:34
  shadows father doing stuff again.
• 1:26:36
  I've asked him a couple times for lesson.
• 1:26:37
  We just never get it together and it's just because you know
• 1:26:40
  you can learn from you know, that guy's a great player.
• 1:26:43
  That's. My New Year's resolution to get
• 1:26:44
  good at the drums. You are good at the drums.
• 1:26:46
  But I'm good, thank you. But I'm going to get really
• 1:26:48
  good. I don't feel good.
• 1:26:50
  I also had six weeks off. Our band split up and then it
• 1:26:52
  was the holidays and I was like, I'm just not going to play drums
• 1:26:55
  because it makes me feel sick. Yeah.
• 1:26:57
  And then now I'm like, let's fucking go.
• 1:26:59
  We've got a lesson with Matt Gaska tomorrow from Animals As
• 1:27:05
  Leaders. Cool.
• 1:27:06
  So good at the drums. Expensive.
• 1:27:09
  It's expensive for a mate. No.
• 1:27:11
  Do you know what he said he'd get?
• 1:27:12
  Expensive for a mate. You know what?
• 1:27:14
  He said He'd do it for free. And I was like, I'm going to
• 1:27:16
  fucking pay you, bro. You are.
• 1:27:17
  You don't. Want it for free?
• 1:27:19
  You are a artist and I hate AI. Mark loves.
• 1:27:24
  It it it'll mean more to you if you pay for.
• 1:27:27
  It 100% I want to get my fucking money's worth.
• 1:27:30
  So Josh has done everything since Wrath.
• 1:27:33
  Since he did Wrath, he's done everything since Sacramento.
• 1:27:36
  Yeah, he started. Oh yeah, sorry.
• 1:27:38
  Wrath was his first production. Josh was an engineer, so really
• 1:27:43
  first ever like production was Wrath there's #2 on the
• 1:27:48
  Billboard charts. Good for him.
• 1:27:49
  Yeah. Side side tangent, just while
• 1:27:53
  we're on it. I met Machine in 2013, OK?
• 1:27:58
  And I must have punished the fuck out.
• 1:28:01
  Oh yeah, yeah, he loves it. He loves it.
• 1:28:03
  The minute I met him, like it was like a quick hello, I was
• 1:28:07
  playing for a filled in for vision of disorder.
• 1:28:11
  So I was in, I was in Jersey. So I went to machine shop which
• 1:28:16
  then became Graphic Nature Wheel Studio but met machine.
• 1:28:20
  In Hoboken he had a spot. I think it was the first.
• 1:28:24
  Belleville. He had a spot that was upstairs,
• 1:28:27
  yeah. Belleville, Yeah.
• 1:28:29
  I mean, I don't know my geography.
• 1:28:30
  Maybe it's near Hoboken, but really cold.
• 1:28:33
  Long St. Oh, wait, wait.
• 1:28:34
  Hoboken was where we did the right.
• 1:28:35
  That was at Water Music. Yeah, I know.
• 1:28:38
  Yeah, the spot is upstairs, like third floor or something.
• 1:28:41
  Like that? Yeah, I met Machine and I
• 1:28:43
  punished him about the sacrament drum sound like Oh yeah, my 33
• 1:28:49
  sentences in how? Hey, how you doing?
• 1:28:51
  Introduce me. He's playing drums for us for
• 1:28:52
  this thing, blah blah blah. Wanted to come by the shop.
• 1:28:55
  Funny enough, Will was downstairs working on something
• 1:28:58
  else and I've never met him before.
• 1:29:00
  Didn't meet him for about 5 years afterwards.
• 1:29:02
  But I punished him about that sacrament drum sound, did he?
• 1:29:04
  Oh, he loved it. Didn't.
• 1:29:05
  Give up the ghost. Oh, you did give up the ghost
• 1:29:07
  tell you that much. I don't know if you want to go
• 1:29:10
  into that. I mean, I don't mind, but if we
• 1:29:12
  probably shouldn't. We probably fucking shouldn't.
• 1:29:16
  I don't think I want to open that can of.
• 1:29:18
  Words. No, no, no.
• 1:29:19
  Sounds great though. It does.
• 1:29:21
  Anyway, so my question. We did that perfect.
• 1:29:26
  My my question was why do you think Josh has lasted so long?
• 1:29:33
  Because finding a producer is is difficult.
• 1:29:35
  You mean on his career or working?
• 1:29:37
  With us, with you guys not in his career, he's great.
• 1:29:40
  But trust, Trust. Yeah.
• 1:29:43
  And, and trust in the sense of like, not trust, like he's going
• 1:29:47
  to RIP us off or he's going to like, you know, like, I mean,
• 1:29:49
  like creative, like artistic trust.
• 1:29:52
  Like, this is more like hokey stuff, but it's just true.
• 1:29:58
  And so here we go. When you are being creative with
• 1:30:02
  someone, there is a certain amount of vulnerability that if
• 1:30:09
  you don't, if you're not willing to be vulnerable and open and
• 1:30:13
  and do things that you're scared to do, you're not going to
• 1:30:17
  you're not going to hit new heights with your creativity.
• 1:30:19
  You're not going to tap into something special in in my
• 1:30:22
  experience. And so you in order to do that,
• 1:30:25
  an artist who's working in a collective, which is what a band
• 1:30:28
  and a band producer situation is, you have to be in rooms with
• 1:30:31
  people that you are feel safe to get uneasy and scared with,
• 1:30:39
  right? That's really important and
• 1:30:41
  that's why it's so special when and you just kind of have it
• 1:30:47
  like, you know, Josh just really, really understands our
• 1:30:53
  personalities and what, what we're going to gravitate to out
• 1:30:58
  of comfort and what we're going to be scared to do.
• 1:31:01
  And he has the patience to say, you know, when I'm saying I
• 1:31:06
  can't, I can't play it like that.
• 1:31:07
  And he's like, quit singing. I can't just keep we, we, we've
• 1:31:10
  only been trying for 5 minutes. Like, just like I, I'm not in a
• 1:31:13
  hurry, like find the bit, you know what I mean?
• 1:31:16
  And just, you know, he just has a way of like coaching us along
• 1:31:22
  and, and knowing the potential of the band and knowing how to
• 1:31:26
  push that in a way that's not it.
• 1:31:30
  Just it just he's just feels like one of us was did I, did I
• 1:31:34
  say anything? No, you said, I mean, I mean in
• 1:31:35
  my head I've just got like, just remember Will Putney, like
• 1:31:39
  that's how I feel about where we did every single trade record
• 1:31:41
  this. World that's and it's and it
• 1:31:43
  doesn't even and because I'm thinking about Chester it
• 1:31:45
  doesn't even have to be this long history of building
• 1:31:50
  experience. You know, I cut Cross off with
• 1:31:52
  Chester Bennington and we had just met and we finished that
• 1:31:59
  song writing it together. And the experience I had writing
• 1:32:02
  that with him, who, you know, we had mutual respect and we had
• 1:32:06
  talked, but we'd never been in a room like that together.
• 1:32:08
  And to be able to say no to each other's ideas in a way that
• 1:32:14
  wasn't. Sorry, this is you and Chester
• 1:32:16
  Bennington. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:17
  And just to be able to like work with somebody if we like he
• 1:32:21
  because he was willing to be like to have an idea that and
• 1:32:31
  have it fail. Yeah, that's, yeah, that that.
• 1:32:34
  Makes a lot of sense. And then and not get, you know,
• 1:32:37
  and and and go on to the. You know what I mean?
• 1:32:40
  And that's the same. I was going to say, does Josh
• 1:32:42
  ever tell you like, And obviously he does and tells you
• 1:32:46
  if something's not good. Yeah, that's like #1 most
• 1:32:50
  important thing. You can't have a yes man.
• 1:32:51
  I think that was the most important thing with Will in our
• 1:32:54
  relationship. Was he just, you know, to his
• 1:32:58
  fault sometimes would be to his fault with other people who can
• 1:33:02
  take the heat, But he will just tell you if he doesn't like
• 1:33:05
  something as blunt as possible. So we can we can just move on.
• 1:33:09
  And I feel like that's a kind of what you're saying about the
• 1:33:12
  same sort of situation with Chester, like someone being
• 1:33:15
  vulnerable enough, having this idea and then maybe not Chester,
• 1:33:20
  whatever we're talking about. Well, the thing with Chester is
• 1:33:22
  like, you know, cross off. And specifically, there's this,
• 1:33:26
  there's the bridge section of the song.
• 1:33:27
  He's kind of like rapping, you know what I mean?
• 1:33:30
  And when he came into the session, he wanted that to be
• 1:33:32
  the verse and he was really fired up about it.
• 1:33:35
  And, you know, so here I am. I'm, I'm, I'm just now, you
• 1:33:40
  know, at a table like me and you talking about the song that
• 1:33:43
  we're finishing up together, that we both love the song and
• 1:33:46
  we're and we're trying to like, finish the vocal, like finish
• 1:33:48
  writing the vocal and then cut and track it that day, you know,
• 1:33:51
  And here I am about to tell Chester Bennington that I don't
• 1:33:57
  like his idea for the verse. OK, so how do you tell Chester
• 1:34:02
  that? Well, you just don't like it.
• 1:34:03
  You just. Do because you care enough about
• 1:34:05
  the song and you you, you get in a vibe from this person that you
• 1:34:09
  know. You can take.
• 1:34:10
  It that you can take it and and I can take whatever he comes
• 1:34:14
  back with, you know what I mean? Because he's a pro.
• 1:34:16
  I'm a pro and like we both clearly love this song.
• 1:34:18
  So hey man, what would you think of if we I I love the vocal and
• 1:34:24
  I love the lyrics, but what do you think if we try that over
• 1:34:28
  the bridge? That's what you said.
• 1:34:30
  Yeah, yeah. And he's like, Oh yeah, let's
• 1:34:34
  run it. Let's see if it sits.
• 1:34:35
  Perfect answer, you know. RIP fucking tragedy, fucking man
• 1:34:40
  and and the rest is history. But that's the point is not to
• 1:34:43
  like, you know, you know, we all love Chester, but the the point
• 1:34:48
  is just to say, like when you are creating something with
• 1:34:53
  someone and you both really care about it, there is a
• 1:34:58
  vulnerability involved if you don't give a shit.
• 1:35:01
  OK, cool. You can care too much though,
• 1:35:04
  can you? If he did come back and said no,
• 1:35:06
  it's like this, then what happens?
• 1:35:07
  He said no, I only if he goes. Well, I don't know.
• 1:35:10
  That's not what. I don't think, I don't think
• 1:35:13
  true artists that make our kind of music are really going to,
• 1:35:19
  you know, push back that much if they respect the other person.
• 1:35:23
  Well, my thing too. So now going into my band, if if
• 1:35:29
  I care about something, but it's on a like a, a four out of 10.
• 1:35:35
  Your care level is a. 4 out of 10 or a six out of 10 somewhere
• 1:35:39
  in the in the in the in the middle of the care meter, you
• 1:35:43
  know? Sharknado.
• 1:35:46
  And. Twister, just trying to think of
• 1:35:50
  a four out of 10 and a six out of 10.
• 1:35:52
  Sorry, carry on. And Randy is 9 out of 10.
• 1:35:58
  I'm not gonna. And regardless, because I write
• 1:36:00
  vocals, write lyrics for the band too, regardless of its
• 1:36:02
  lyrics or, or like a musical thing, if he cares, if he feels
• 1:36:06
  really like, if it's just me and Randy, we're talking about it.
• 1:36:08
  And he's like, dude, you know what I mean?
• 1:36:10
  No, like it's really this is what you know then if that and
• 1:36:14
  it can be anybody, but it's like if you feel that much stronger
• 1:36:17
  than me. And you're at six.
• 1:36:19
  Then you're then you're probably right.
• 1:36:20
  You're right, you know I don't care enough to ruin your day.
• 1:36:24
  If I don't, if I don't care enough about it and you do care
• 1:36:28
  that much about it and and I trust your artistry, then you
• 1:36:31
  must be on to something that I'm not.
• 1:36:33
  I'd. Love to make music I don't have
• 1:36:35
  that frequent like a. Treat, but the the flip side of
• 1:36:38
  that is if I'm a nine out of 10, like you're a fucking just don't
• 1:36:42
  even don't even talk to me and let me put this bit.
• 1:36:45
  It's annoying. You know, I mean like, like,
• 1:36:47
  I'll tell you when I'm done and then you come.
• 1:36:49
  You know, I mean like. Do you have these conversations
• 1:36:51
  with people? Like where are you at this riff?
• 1:36:53
  I'm at 9. No, I don't.
• 1:36:55
  We don't like, I don't. We don't quiet.
• 1:36:56
  You can just tell. I mean, these are my brothers.
• 1:36:58
  I was gonna say there's a running.
• 1:37:00
  Sometimes it's like that's just Willy's team, don't touch it,
• 1:37:02
  you know what I mean? Like wait till he's done and let
• 1:37:04
  me see if I hear anything is. Josh the final word, though, if
• 1:37:07
  there's a headlock. He's not the final, but he has a
• 1:37:10
  voice for sure. Oh, oh, you mean to say that if
• 1:37:13
  there's like a well. Two people are 9 out of 10 on
• 1:37:16
  their own idea. 10 out of 10. Fuck it, the full load.
• 1:37:20
  Well, you know, we have we're a band of five, right?
• 1:37:23
  OK. Or if it's just, I don't know,
• 1:37:25
  usually here's the here's the other thing that is if it's
• 1:37:29
  really that divided, then maybe there's another answer.
• 1:37:34
  But then what you don't want to do?
• 1:37:36
  This is why you've lost it a. Lot What you don't want to do is
• 1:37:39
  go around the room and make sure everyone has their little change
• 1:37:42
  so that everyone feels involved because then you just water the
• 1:37:44
  whole thing down. I mean, just like let the people
• 1:37:47
  who are feel most passionate about a certain song, about a
• 1:37:50
  certain part, about a certain issue in the process.
• 1:37:53
  If someone's really let them lead, that's how you're going to
• 1:37:56
  get let them lead. And if you are, if you were in a
• 1:37:58
  collective, a band, a collective of artistic people who you trust
• 1:38:02
  their artistry, then it's not a scary thing.
• 1:38:06
  It's not certainly not as scary a thing to let one of your
• 1:38:09
  partners lead. It's the same in a marriage,
• 1:38:12
  really. I mean, there are things where I
• 1:38:16
  will absolutely, and I hate to say let because I'm not giving
• 1:38:19
  her permission, but there are things where my wife should lead
• 1:38:22
  that conversation for sure. And then there are aspects of
• 1:38:25
  our parenting, our relationship or our our day-to-day where I
• 1:38:29
  should lead. I'm, I'm better equipped to lead
• 1:38:31
  that situation, you know, and a band is like that times 5.
• 1:38:34
  A band is literally like having five wives.
• 1:38:38
  My wives. Sorry, couldn't fucking resist.
• 1:38:40
  8 years old. I think that's why you've lost
• 1:38:42
  it so long. That sounds like a very
• 1:38:43
  diplomatic. Well, it wasn't.
• 1:38:45
  Always. It wasn't always.
• 1:38:46
  That's hard. One experience, man.
• 1:38:48
  Yeah, that's a hard one. Experience you do have.
• 1:38:51
  Have you caught, you know, have you caught us?
• 1:38:53
  You know, there was some, there was, there was just some really
• 1:38:55
  dark times in the band personally, you know, personally
• 1:39:00
  as individuals, as a band, events, situations, like really,
• 1:39:05
  really tough stuff. Of course, it's like to look
• 1:39:07
  back on some of that stuff. It's crazy.
• 1:39:09
  I do have a slightly more positive question that will then
• 1:39:13
  lead to that. Was there a moment where you
• 1:39:17
  thought, OK, I've done it, I've made it?
• 1:39:21
  We mentioned a lot of things on this podcast so far.
• 1:39:25
  It would have been it for me, but I'm just wondering.
• 1:39:27
  I want to answer that like authentically.
• 1:39:29
  So there were so many moments along the way where I was able
• 1:39:37
  to, you know, be present for what was happening.
• 1:39:39
  Enough to say, man, I would have never imagined that we would get
• 1:39:44
  this far. But Craig, those things were
• 1:39:46
  happening in 2002. Like, we really are a band that
• 1:39:50
  started in like a moldy brick basement in Richmond and just
• 1:39:55
  wanted to get a case of beer and make a bunch of noise for a
• 1:39:59
  couple hours on a Friday night. Like that was fun for us.
• 1:40:02
  And then when someone like invited us to play their party,
• 1:40:04
  great. You know, the first time we got,
• 1:40:07
  you know, out of town and played a show cause one of us had a van
• 1:40:10
  and we went and played a show or where, wherever.
• 1:40:12
  You know the first time we had T-shirts printed the first time.
• 1:40:17
  God, I never think about that one.
• 1:40:18
  Everything you've just said, I'm like, yeah, I remember.
• 1:40:20
  That when you've got your first, it was amazing T-shirt, you're
• 1:40:23
  like, wow. You know, the first time, you
• 1:40:26
  know, you had a first time you went in the studio as a band.
• 1:40:30
  The first time you had a, you know, the Burn the Priest CD was
• 1:40:37
  made. Physical media.
• 1:40:38
  Yeah, like, yeah, really like every single step, every rung of
• 1:40:42
  the ladder. I'd like to say when I'm talking
• 1:40:44
  about this like we didn't skip a single one.
• 1:40:46
  So they're still coming. And so, yeah.
• 1:40:48
  And, and, you know, now, you know, I'm, I'm just, you know,
• 1:40:51
  we are aware of our position, you know, in, in, in the music
• 1:40:59
  industry or, or in, in the metal world or whatever.
• 1:41:01
  So, you know, we can reflect a little bit and see generations
• 1:41:05
  under us, bands under us that are blowing up and doing their
• 1:41:07
  thing and just kind of be like, it's cool to watch.
• 1:41:11
  It's cool to see that happen 'cause I know how exciting it is
• 1:41:13
  cause I've been there. I know how exciting it is to see
• 1:41:16
  bands that are like that are blowing up right now, like like
• 1:41:19
  Knock Loose, you know, they're just huge, right?
• 1:41:21
  And I'm just like, I'm, I love that.
• 1:41:24
  Have you talked about Knock Loose I.
• 1:41:25
  Don't really know this cast. I just kind of.
• 1:41:27
  I just kind of like fucking best, yeah.
• 1:41:29
  From Kentucky, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:30
  Just like joy as a spectator because I know how fun that it
• 1:41:34
  is. Yeah.
• 1:41:35
  And so fucking young and I am right.
• 1:41:37
  And I know how exciting that is And.
• 1:41:39
  And. Get that tour going.
• 1:41:41
  Get that. Fuck me, that's a tour, Lamb of
• 1:41:44
  God, not beliefs. Let's go.
• 1:41:45
  You heard it hit first. I'm making that fucking.
• 1:41:47
  Tour, I mean, but, you know, we could, we could, you know,
• 1:41:49
  that's just the band I thought of.
• 1:41:50
  But we can name, you know, a dozen bands, right?
• 1:41:52
  Now I know, but that's the one you thought of.
• 1:41:54
  Yeah, that means they're the best.
• 1:41:57
  But it's, you know, so it's, it's a, it's a really from a
• 1:42:00
  place of gratitude to be able to like watch that happen for
• 1:42:04
  younger people. And just like I was talking
• 1:42:07
  about that, that that club show I went to where my
• 1:42:10
  brother-in-law was playing, just to see young people embracing
• 1:42:16
  music and have the the principles, the essence of it be
• 1:42:20
  exactly the same as it was for me when I was coming up in
• 1:42:23
  bands. And to know that that that
• 1:42:28
  foundation and that purpose and that meaning is still there for
• 1:42:34
  kids that I'm old enough to be their dad, it's comforting and
• 1:42:37
  it makes me feel good because it's not.
• 1:42:39
  Again, back to the premises thing.
• 1:42:40
  All is not lost. Great.
• 1:42:42
  Yeah, but I I have the. Spirit of all these things still
• 1:42:46
  exists as much as it ever did. I'm bringing it back, yeah, back
• 1:42:50
  to AI. I'm still I'm.
• 1:42:52
  Still. Exactly.
• 1:42:54
  I'm still like you're saying these things and I love it and I
• 1:42:58
  agree and all that. And I just think, you know,
• 1:43:03
  people, it's going to be, there's going to be people that
• 1:43:06
  lose that because they can just make it on a computer and
• 1:43:10
  they're not going to go into a jam room.
• 1:43:12
  That makes me a little bit sick. Well.
• 1:43:14
  What if that happens? But then I guess there'd be even
• 1:43:17
  less bands would be more. Special.
• 1:43:18
  But that's what we said. That's what we said about drum
• 1:43:21
  machines, that's what we said about Pro Tools, that's what we
• 1:43:25
  said about samples and guitar Pro.
• 1:43:28
  Whatever. All these things, that's
• 1:43:30
  whatever, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you're right.
• 1:43:32
  Music. Music is going to.
• 1:43:34
  Prepare. Don't be so afraid.
• 1:43:36
  You can say that you're in Lamb of God.
• 1:43:38
  I'm not in Lamb of God. I can be scared until a point
• 1:43:42
  till the point where I'm in Lamb of God, I can't be.
• 1:43:45
  I'll be scared. And I can't play Lamb of God
• 1:43:46
  songs. So I'm shit out of luck there.
• 1:43:49
  And art is too good. Maybe art?
• 1:43:51
  I'll give you a drum lesson. You know what, I got a drum
• 1:43:54
  lesson third hand from Art the other day.
• 1:43:56
  We were just chatting about something, foot technique stuff,
• 1:44:00
  and he was like, oh, I got a lesson of this guy in power bar.
• 1:44:02
  I was like, oh, he sent me that and then he sent me it and he
• 1:44:05
  was good. It's good stuff.
• 1:44:07
  Love that guy. Big fan.
• 1:44:09
  Where are we talking about fucking AI again?
• 1:44:12
  You're obsessed. I am.
• 1:44:13
  I don't know why. It's eating.
• 1:44:14
  It's just today. Do you know what I'm saying?
• 1:44:16
  Back to my Dick. Fucking annoyed about AI today.
• 1:44:19
  But like tomorrow, lucky me. Tomorrow you know what I'm going
• 1:44:22
  to do? I'm going to sleep.
• 1:44:24
  You wanted to talk about it. I'm going to sleep on what you
• 1:44:26
  said. Tomorrow I'm probably going to
• 1:44:28
  be. AI is not a problem.
• 1:44:30
  It's been therapy for me. Are you having fun?
• 1:44:33
  You having fun being my therapist?
• 1:44:35
  You don't want that. Can I ask you a question?
• 1:44:38
  Yes. You said that you had chickens.
• 1:44:40
  Yes. You have like a like a.
• 1:44:42
  Homestead. Is that what that?
• 1:44:43
  Is well. Some, you might call it that
• 1:44:46
  we've had. We have chickens.
• 1:44:49
  I got so I got 3 kids on 7 acres.
• 1:44:52
  We have a a varying amount of chickens at any given point.
• 1:44:57
  We at one point had goats. I rehomed the goats.
• 1:44:59
  It was a it was an absolute executive decision on my part.
• 1:45:02
  I take full responsibility and full accountability for rehoming
• 1:45:06
  the goats. We've had a number of beehives.
• 1:45:09
  I almost brought this up when we were talking about bees.
• 1:45:11
  Bees. I don't mess with bees.
• 1:45:13
  My wife is she's my wife's crazy.
• 1:45:18
  So like she like just decides to do something and goes and wins
• 1:45:24
  the State Fair. Like she this year she, she was
• 1:45:26
  like, I'm going to make some honey white bread and she just
• 1:45:28
  blue ribbon State Fair best, best white bread in the
• 1:45:31
  Commonwealth of Virginia last year, the year before, she makes
• 1:45:34
  like a fucking mean ass pickle. And she's like, I only got
• 1:45:39
  second place That time I put my Pickles in there, it pissed me
• 1:45:41
  off. So I, it says blue, blue ribbon,
• 1:45:44
  first place Pickles, you know, zucchini relish.
• 1:45:47
  Who, who do you know that has a blue ribbon in State Fair
• 1:45:50
  zucchini relish? My wife does.
• 1:45:52
  So yeah, she's awesome. Of course you don't care about
• 1:45:54
  AI and so no, you can't. AI is not going to beat my
• 1:45:58
  wife's zucchini. Relish, let me fucking.
• 1:46:00
  Check my chat GBC a minute and and we grew the zucchinis in the
• 1:46:04
  front field. You know what?
• 1:46:05
  I mean, like, yeah, it's like that, so.
• 1:46:08
  We do we, we have chickens and she was doing the beekeeping,
• 1:46:13
  but bees are really fragile. They're really fragile.
• 1:46:17
  And the property next door, they run, they're lovely people and
• 1:46:20
  they run a lawn service. So we think that maybe some of
• 1:46:25
  the material or chemicals or fertilizers or something that
• 1:46:29
  they use for the we think the bees might have been bringing
• 1:46:32
  that back into the hives and that was killing because I keep.
• 1:46:36
  But we might have been what made the honey so good.
• 1:46:38
  We don't. Well, we never got honey.
• 1:46:40
  Bread was banging. Yeah, we can.
• 1:46:42
  Round up in it we used honey. From a local farm.
• 1:46:45
  But not not it wasn't our honey. Sorry to derail, I want to.
• 1:46:49
  Hold no so bad. You said you have chicken.
• 1:46:52
  I want chickens so. Bad chickens are cool.
• 1:46:53
  They they're the only ones that they they earn their.
• 1:46:57
  Keep do you just how many eggs you get from a chicken, how many
• 1:47:01
  eggs from a chicken so. In the spring they they they did
• 1:47:05
  a weird thing where. They slowed way down this
• 1:47:07
  winter, but typically when they're when they're not on
• 1:47:10
  strike, you'll get about one a day, almost one a day.
• 1:47:13
  So if you have, if you have, we have 7 hens, we can count on
• 1:47:17
  like 5 or 6 eggs a day. Free food.
• 1:47:20
  Yeah. Ohh, yeah, no, we got, we got
• 1:47:22
  that. Ohh.
• 1:47:23
  We got them good eggs. I'm coming.
• 1:47:24
  To Richmond when? The AI apocalypse happens.
• 1:47:27
  Come on, we got a jam. Room we got eggs you got how
• 1:47:30
  What's the jam room like it's a separate building I.
• 1:47:33
  Have a garage underneath and you go fucking dream.
• 1:47:34
  You go. Upstairs it's it's really,
• 1:47:36
  really nice. Real kit in there.
• 1:47:38
  E kit. There's a real kit in there.
• 1:47:40
  Sometimes there's an E kit as well.
• 1:47:42
  If we're like doing demos and stuff, it's just.
• 1:47:44
  More like it's more efficient to do on a on a on AV kit.
• 1:47:47
  But when you're doing your demos at home, yeah, you mentioned
• 1:47:50
  easy drama. Is that what you use?
• 1:47:52
  Yeah, like. The old, old cafe kit version.
• 1:47:56
  And I just like, that's what I I.
• 1:47:58
  I drag in like a something close to the B and then I just edit
• 1:48:03
  it. I've got a plug in.
• 1:48:04
  Let me give you my plugin. Yeah, you'll have to come and
• 1:48:07
  put it into my system for. Me, because I'm the most AI.
• 1:48:10
  I'm such a. Boomer dude, like let me get you
• 1:48:13
  my. I won't even I won't even update
• 1:48:15
  my my. My sis, what do they call?
• 1:48:18
  It the operating system, I won't even Mac OSI won't even update
• 1:48:22
  that because it'll mess up all my all my stuff like I did it
• 1:48:25
  recently. It fucked up my.
• 1:48:26
  Whole yeah, man, I don't want nothing to change.
• 1:48:28
  I know how to work, but eventually they go.
• 1:48:30
  You have to. Do this and then you know and.
• 1:48:32
  Then I got to wait for Josh. But I want to get you.
• 1:48:35
  My plug in not only because the drum.
• 1:48:36
  Sounds are really fucking good. Oh, it's your plug.
• 1:48:38
  My plug in is my. My kit is recorded at Peter
• 1:48:41
  Gabriel's Real World. Studios.
• 1:48:44
  It's fuck, it's GGD, the downbeat.
• 1:48:46
  I'm super stoked on it sounds incredible.
• 1:48:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like fully mixed, ready
• 1:48:52
  to fucking go. That's Taylor.
• 1:48:53
  'S thing. Do you know Taylor?
• 1:48:54
  Larson, is that a mix wave guy? I don't know him personally, but
• 1:48:57
  it's like one of those. He's a buddy of mine, Yeah, but
• 1:49:00
  it. Has about.
• 1:49:01
  It's got 300 milligrooves in it as.
• 1:49:03
  Well, and I would. I would love just just fucking
• 1:49:08
  just piss off with one of them. One of the real hard ones just
• 1:49:11
  Oh yeah, I'll drag it in and write a song around.
• 1:49:13
  Even just for one of those songs.
• 1:49:15
  It doesn't make on the album. And.
• 1:49:16
  Then I would love you to just tell him if he's struggling.
• 1:49:19
  With it, be like, that's one of Craig's and I'd get the text
• 1:49:22
  like, you motherfucker, you know, it's funny.
• 1:49:23
  And this is like geeky studio stuff.
• 1:49:25
  The only thing I ever care about is snare placement.
• 1:49:28
  Like any, like, that's why I just drag stuff in because I'll
• 1:49:33
  get it like kind of grooving or whatever, but I don't even
• 1:49:35
  bother. Again, Willie edits his drums,
• 1:49:39
  man, and Willie's a drummer and I'll let people know that.
• 1:49:41
  But he he's very out of practice.
• 1:49:42
  But he used to be every bit as good at drums as he was.
• 1:49:46
  Is he? Is it guitar?
• 1:49:48
  So he edits the hell out of his drum demos.
• 1:49:50
  And so I just to me, like, this is where I want the snare on the
• 1:49:54
  riff, everything else. You're the drummer.
• 1:49:56
  You figured out. Yeah.
• 1:49:57
  I'll get you a copy of that. Cool.
• 1:49:59
  It sounds fucking cool. Cool.
• 1:50:01
  I think we hit everything we need.
• 1:50:02
  No, it's. Super fun man, the album.
• 1:50:04
  Thanks for coming on the the I want to come back now the bow.
• 1:50:07
  I would my favorite. Thing is like a sequel episode
• 1:50:10
  because now we. Know each other.
• 1:50:12
  Yeah, we'll have probably hung out again by that point.
• 1:50:14
  It'd be we give each other a little more shit the next time
• 1:50:16
  we sit down. Yeah, I feel like there was for
• 1:50:19
  a first meeting. There's a great amount of shit
• 1:50:21
  today. Someone.
• 1:50:23
  Very cool that I know told me once.
• 1:50:28
  He and I hadn't hung out that much, but we were having
• 1:50:30
  conversations that were very meaningful.
• 1:50:34
  And he told me this, and he told me someone else had told him
• 1:50:37
  this, and he was passing it along that you don't make
• 1:50:40
  friends. You recognize them when you meet
• 1:50:42
  them. I feel like I recognize a
• 1:50:44
  friend. Isn't that cool?
• 1:50:46
  Yeah, I'll be taking that. Thank you.
• 1:50:48
  That's cool. Do you recognize a friend today?
• 1:50:51
  Me too. In the suite, I've had a great
• 1:50:53
  time. I've had an awesome time.
• 1:50:55
  I hope everyone else has. Madison, I hope you have.
• 1:50:57
  Guys you. Really, really, really, really
• 1:50:59
  got a check out into Oblivion because it's fucking, it's 100%
• 1:51:03
  incredible. Yeah, it's it's a great.
• 1:51:05
  I love the record, mix songs, everything obviously.
• 1:51:09
  Go check out the heaviest tour of the year because.
• 1:51:11
  It is the heaviest tour of the year and people forget like I I
• 1:51:15
  choose who comes on this podcast and there has been time.
• 1:51:18
  There have been times when I will get sent a band I likes new
• 1:51:23
  album and you know, they are they're prepped to be on the
• 1:51:27
  podcast. And if I don't like the album,
• 1:51:30
  they'll sometimes they've come on and we've we've done the bare
• 1:51:34
  minimum thing about the album because I can't I can't be
• 1:51:37
  disingenuous about the album. Like I can't gas it up if I
• 1:51:42
  don't love it. Like, do you like German press?
• 1:51:45
  No, that's the whole the reason we're here is because I fucking
• 1:51:47
  hate. That but like, yeah, I'm sorry.
• 1:51:50
  Glad. You brought it up, it's a bit
• 1:51:51
  soft. What's What's have you run out
• 1:51:54
  of? Ideas.
• 1:51:55
  Answer me this. Answer me this honestly, I'm
• 1:51:58
  not. I'm not going to be hurt by it.
• 1:52:00
  Have you ever? Watched an episode of The
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  Downbeat. No, the running joke is German
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  honesty and German press. So you so.
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  Welcome into. The fucking in joke.
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  So my mother is is German born and raised in Germany.
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  My grandparents didn't speak any English.
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  I grew up going to. Germany all the time.
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  Why is it not in you? I I don't know, but yeah, I can
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  make fun of. Germans as as.
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  With the best of them and I I can do it anyway.
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  I have every right you do. Yeah, yeah, I get to.
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  But like, yeah, that's the. Whole thing I.
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  Don't like that I can't be disingenuous.
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  About an album. There's been times when.
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  I've straight up hit the guest up before and said like, Hey, do
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  you mind if we talk about an earlier an earlier?
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  Well, what an interesting conversation it would be.
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  Maybe not, I don't know. I'm trying to get now I'm on
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  the. Receiving of that, if you were
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  like, hey man, this this one didn't really.
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  No, you would hate it. This one didn't really.
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  So what I do is I just don't do the English well, I would say.
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  I'd say, well, why? Why?
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  Why didn't you are very rounded? Individual with the hindsight of
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  sobriety. And children and stuff.
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  You could probably have that conversation.
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  Not many fucking musicians have. So I just don't.
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  I either don't do it or I rephrase the episode to, you
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  know, so I'm not being disingenuous.
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  So Long story short, they know that I'm telling them because
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  this record fucking rips. I'm glad you like it.
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  I like it too. Me too.
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  Enjoy Nashville. Enjoy whittling around on some.
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  Guitars. Yeah, yeah.
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  And. Please keep me posted on whether
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  or not I can keep that guitar bit in.
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  Yeah, we get to do cool shit, cool shit.
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  Thanks guys.