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Instant Reaction: Tigers Deal Mize At Deadline · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, Detroit Tiger's podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Karen Steckley with.
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  Speaker 1: Me as always a man who lives by deadlines, he
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  Speaker 1: is Cody Stavenhagen.
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  Speaker 2: How we doing doing all right?
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  Speaker 3: One of the good things for about working at the
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  Speaker 3: Athletic not that many like traditional journalism, deadlines kind of
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  Speaker 3: get it done whenever. It's the Internet age, so that helps.
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  Speaker 1: Well constantly churn out information. And that's certainly what you've
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  Speaker 1: been doing over the past forty eight seventy two hours whatever,
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  Speaker 1: trying to you know, gather as much so you can
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  Speaker 1: share it with the fine subscribers to The Athletic and
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  Speaker 1: our fine subscribers here at Tiger Territory recording this late
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  Speaker 1: Monday evening. As I'm sure you guys have seen by now,
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers made only one additional move after the tear
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  Speaker 1: schoopl trade on Saturday night, and that will Casey Mice
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  Speaker 1: kind of at the last second, a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a Scott Harris special there, Cody last second trade. Scott
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  Speaker 1: Harris decides to trade Casey Miz to the San Diego
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  Speaker 1: Padres along with Gage Workmen, and in return, the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: acquire Cash Mayfield and Jackson Wolf, both left handed pitchers.
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  Speaker 1: Cash Mayfield the second ranked prospect in the Padres system.
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  Speaker 2: So let's just start off the top here.
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  Speaker 1: What do we make of a the decision to part
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  Speaker 1: with mys that's you called it the most interesting piece
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  Speaker 1: for the Tigers moving forward. This even before you know
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  Speaker 1: any potential school trade, and it seems like on the surface,
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  Speaker 1: you know, got at least a talented prospect and another
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  Speaker 1: arm in your system that you know, maybe you can
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  Speaker 1: do something with.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I was going back and forth even
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  Speaker 3: all today deadline day, on whether the Tigers were actually
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  Speaker 3: going to trade Casey Mees or not. We saw a
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  Speaker 3: lot of pictures coming off the board. We saw some
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  Speaker 3: teams that needed starting pitching seemingly pivot elsewhere. We knew
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  Speaker 3: Maze was going to be eligible for the qualifying offer,
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  Speaker 3: had kind of heard it sounded like the Tigers were
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  Speaker 3: going to hold a pretty high bar. But if we're
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  Speaker 3: being real, the moment the Tigers scratched him from his start,
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  Speaker 3: I think that was a pretty strong signal they were
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  Speaker 3: ready and willing to trade Casey Mize. It was a
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  Speaker 3: matter of getting enough, getting enough for a guy who's
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  Speaker 3: been injured. Even the stuff was a little down the
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  Speaker 3: last start, and they found a good suitor in the
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  Speaker 3: great AJ Preller, who was always up for a little
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  Speaker 3: slight overpay in terms of prospect capital, one of the
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  Speaker 3: few gms who will still do it. You gotta love it,
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  Speaker 3: and I think you have to feel pretty good if
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  Speaker 3: you're the Tigers. You get kind of what I predicted
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  Speaker 3: you could get from Es was like a top one
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  Speaker 3: fifty prospect. Cash Mayfield not in most top one hundred list,
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  Speaker 3: but is kind of viewed as close number two, like
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  Speaker 3: you said, pitching or number two prospect in the Padres system.
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  Speaker 3: Their best pitching prospect, arguably along with who's school Craft six'
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  Speaker 3: four left. Handed but we're off to a good, start
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  Speaker 3: RIGHT i think the biggest Thing i'll be interested to
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  Speaker 3: see is how hard is this guy actually? Throwing because
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  Speaker 3: WHEN i just heard the Name Cash mayfield's, like OH
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  Speaker 3: i remember him from the, draft first round, pick like hard.
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  Speaker 3: THROWER i like this guy he's been. Throwing you, know
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  Speaker 3: he was HITTING b ninety seven as an. Amateur since
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  Speaker 3: getting into pro, ball he's been more ninety two ninety
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  Speaker 3: three ninety, four SO i don't love. That it does
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  Speaker 3: seem reading up on him a little.
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  Speaker 2: More you, Know.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be curious what The tigers can do once they
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  Speaker 3: get their hands on. Him he comes with a plus,
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  Speaker 3: changeup so that's, great doesn't have a very good, slider
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  Speaker 3: doesn't seem to you, know to naturally move his hand
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  Speaker 3: the right. Way so curious if they can tweak his.
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  Speaker 3: Arsenal curious if they can tweak his mechanics to hopefully
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  Speaker 3: get some of that velocity. Back but this is a,
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  Speaker 3: guy you, know it's been said the ceiling of a
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  Speaker 3: number three. Starter if you can get anything close to
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  Speaker 3: that for a rental casey, MIZE i think that is
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  Speaker 3: per dang. Good, obviously gauge workman in this deal as.
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  Speaker 3: Well and Then Jackson wolf sounds like he's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a throw. In he's got like a SEVEN, E R
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  Speaker 3: a and TRIPLE. A So i'm not really gonna be
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  Speaker 3: too worried About Jackson. Wolf this deal is all About Cash,
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  Speaker 3: mayfield AND i think you have to feel pretty good
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  Speaker 3: getting him for the case he mais.
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  Speaker 1: Rental, yeah and you, know just real quick On, wolf
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  Speaker 1: like you, guys look at the numbers that league over
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  Speaker 1: there is considered a hitters. League Uh, so like you, know,
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  Speaker 1: forever that's worth not, gonna you, know try to convince
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  Speaker 1: you otherwise if you have a negative opinion on. Him
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  Speaker 1: but those are the kind of contextual things that sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: matter and obviously front office is taken to account and
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  Speaker 1: and then with the with the Cash mayfield, Piece like you.
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  Speaker 2: KNOW i do think.
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  Speaker 1: That this it felt like watching some clips of him
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  Speaker 1: and and like his, delivery it's it's a it's a little,
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  Speaker 1: bit it's not three, quarters a little, less and it's
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  Speaker 1: a very easy. Delivery it doesn't really feel like he
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  Speaker 1: he's trying to throw the ball he's. Pitching SO i
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  Speaker 1: wonder if The tigers kind of mechanically, tweaked like even
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  Speaker 1: even some of the other aspects of besides hand placement
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  Speaker 1: that can get that velocity, up because like his story
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  Speaker 1: is is it's not like he played baseball twelve months
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  Speaker 1: out of the year despite growing up In, oklahoma, right
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  Speaker 1: which is something that is pretty. Common like he he
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  Speaker 1: would take time. Off SO i think that there's more
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  Speaker 1: in there in The LUNs of the world are definitely
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  Speaker 1: going to figure out if they do believe the best
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  Speaker 1: version of him is something closer to a ninety five
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  Speaker 1: ninety six. VELOCITY i do believe that they will find
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  Speaker 1: a way to get that out of, him but maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's not the best version of, him and, so, LIKE i,
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  Speaker 1: like it is a little strange with the velocity difference,
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  Speaker 1: there but there's more there THAT i don't think you
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  Speaker 1: need to focus, on but it is something to kind
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  Speaker 1: of keep in mind to see if The tigers kind
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  Speaker 1: of believe that's the way to unlock.
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  Speaker 3: Him SO i do agree with guys per nine innings
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  Speaker 3: IN hia even without that, velocity so THAT i think
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  Speaker 3: that tells you the change up, plays that tells you
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  Speaker 3: kind of mixed reviews on his, COMMAND i think good,
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  Speaker 3: command but hasn't been as good in game here as of.
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  Speaker 3: Late clearly he's doing something. Right the numbers are pretty,
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  Speaker 3: solid although he is still in the low.
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  Speaker 1: Miners, yeah AND i do agree that The tigers got
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  Speaker 1: good value and that's that's gonna be kind of the
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  Speaker 1: theme here for you, know moving forward with this kind
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  Speaker 1: of post trade deadline episode, Here cody is that it's
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  Speaker 1: the two moves and you kind of even throw in
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  Speaker 1: some of the draft picks The tigers have over the
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  Speaker 1: past couple of, months like replenish their farm system with pitching,
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  Speaker 1: talent and like you can feel good about him on
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  Speaker 1: an individual, Basis but then the overarching concern here is,
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  Speaker 1: that like how did we get? Here and we'll get
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  Speaker 1: to that here in a. Second but not too long,
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  Speaker 1: ago you heard From Scott, harris And i'm, curious like
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  Speaker 1: this is the guy who had to make all the,
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  Speaker 1: decisions and this is the guy who had to decide
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  Speaker 1: like we are not in a position a non position
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  Speaker 1: to buy and b not in a position to uh
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  Speaker 1: to stand pack completely. Either the term thread the needle
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  Speaker 1: was kind of thrown. AROUND i Saw brendan Day uh
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  Speaker 1: post that, article is, like, well you can't really thread
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  Speaker 1: the needle when you didn't make any. Additions so SO
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  Speaker 1: i don't know. WHAT i don't know what's a step
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  Speaker 1: short of thread the. Needle but that's clearly what The
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  Speaker 1: tigers opted to. Do so what can you kind of
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  Speaker 1: glean from From Sky harris and and and his approach
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  Speaker 1: to this deadline and how he thought and how he
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  Speaker 1: kind of thought this.
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  Speaker 3: Through, YEAH i MEAN i THINK i like The scoople.
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  Speaker 3: TRADE i thought it was fair. VALUE i thought it
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  Speaker 3: was pretty dang good value in the casey mis. Trade
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  Speaker 3: IF i were to be critical of, anything it's still just, like,
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  Speaker 3: well they didn't really pick a, direction and they didn't
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  Speaker 3: even pick the direction of threading the. Needle, uh BECAUSE i,
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  Speaker 3: AGREE i think threading the, NEEDLE i, think, well some
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  Speaker 3: mix of buying and. Selling they and buy anything other
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  Speaker 3: than prospects and River ryan is probably the only one
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  Speaker 3: who has any chance of contributing in the major leagues this.
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  Speaker 3: YEAR i guess that's a little bit of a thread the,
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  Speaker 3: needle sort of assuming he gets healthy and gets to
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  Speaker 3: the major. Leagues but you didn't really address you were glaring,
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  Speaker 3: weaknesses the bullpen being the biggest. One so what you
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  Speaker 3: did is you traded the two guys who you knew
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  Speaker 3: you could get a good return. On there was clearly
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  Speaker 3: still some push to not tear down the roster and
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  Speaker 3: not completely punt this. SEASON i guess maybe that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of what the direction. Was there was a line drawn
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  Speaker 3: somewhere and it's if we can't get you, KNOW x
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  Speaker 3: value in, return we're just going to stick with what we.
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  Speaker 3: Have i'll be curious to see how that, plays because
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  Speaker 3: if The tigers make a, run it will be easy
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  Speaker 3: a second, guess, like, well was it really worth Trading Casey?
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  Speaker 3: MIZ i Think scooble's a thing all unto. Himself they
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  Speaker 3: had to trade Tear, Scoobel all, right let's be real.
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  Speaker 3: There but and then if The tigers don't make it
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  Speaker 3: run and it's, like, WELL i, MEAN i don't, know
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  Speaker 3: would you rather have another guy or two in your
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  Speaker 3: system For Kinley. JANSSEN i, mean you, know you traded
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  Speaker 3: Away Jim jarvis For Rafael, montero and The braves are
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  Speaker 3: pretty happy to Have Jim jarvis in their system right,
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  Speaker 3: Now like you just that's why fire sales. Happen you
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  Speaker 3: just never. Know teams are trying to accumulate all they.
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  Speaker 3: Can so even Though Scott harris talked a lot about
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  Speaker 3: kind of how painstaking it was to pick a, direction
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  Speaker 3: says he didn't really make the decision On schooble until
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  Speaker 3: after That baltimore, series it still feels a little bit
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  Speaker 3: inconsistent to me in their decision. Making Although i'm actually
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  Speaker 3: not stunned they didn't add to the, bullpen even though
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  Speaker 3: that's what they. Need if they didn't make meaningful bullpen
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  Speaker 3: additions last, year you think they were going to do
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  Speaker 3: it this, year like they weren't going to trade prospects
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  Speaker 3: for kind of overpriced. RELIEVERS i GUESS i, THOUGHT i don't,
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  Speaker 3: know maybe what you did last, year get some guys
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  Speaker 3: who don't have very good, numbers AND i hope you
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  Speaker 3: can unlock something or get a few good innings out of.
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  Speaker 3: Them this bullpen kind of does need something like that right.
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  Speaker 3: Now it just has so many weak. Spots so that's
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  Speaker 3: still WHAT i think makes this a weird and unique
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  Speaker 3: trade deadline for The. Tigers so it's as simple as their.
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  Speaker 3: Standings they're two and a half games. Out you were
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  Speaker 3: naturally in a weird and unique circumstance for how to.
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  Speaker 3: Navigate But i'm not sure THAT i love leaving some
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  Speaker 3: guys but not adding at.
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  Speaker 2: All, yeah you, KNOW i.
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  Speaker 1: Feel overall good about the two trays that they didn't
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  Speaker 1: make in terms of the value that came had they
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  Speaker 1: in a way kind of subtracted that value by trading
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  Speaker 1: prospects for like you, said probably middling bullpen arms OR i,
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  Speaker 1: mean anybody worth their salt would have required like probably
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty cents on
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  Speaker 1: the dollar in terms of their VALUE i actually would
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  Speaker 1: have come away upset about about.
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  Speaker 2: That i'm.
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  Speaker 1: Not i'm good with like kinda kind of doing what
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  Speaker 1: you kind of felt like you had to do in
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  Speaker 1: order to maximize your best, assets which turned out to
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  Speaker 1: be Obviously Terry school And Casey, mice.
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  Speaker 2: And then also letting the season.
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  Speaker 1: Play out a little bit more LIKE i, Like I'M
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  Speaker 1: i actually am okay not completely punning on the season
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  Speaker 1: for like A jansen or A torres trade or you know, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Like that doesn't that doesn't upset. ME i actually.
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  Speaker 1: AM i am way more in favor of that, than
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  Speaker 1: LIKE i, said trading for a, reliever especially given the
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  Speaker 1: prices that we that we saw today and over the
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  Speaker 1: course of of the trade, deadline this felt like the
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  Speaker 1: most natural path for The tigers to support the future
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  Speaker 1: and also just kind of, like let see what happens
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  Speaker 1: with this, season because if you look at some of
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: the other moves around around The American, league and we'll
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: talk about playoff chances here in a, second it was
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: a mixed bag company to the trade, deadline and it's
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  Speaker 1: a mixed bag. Afterward AND i think it's okay to
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  Speaker 1: kind of be in that mixed bag here for the
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  Speaker 1: last fifty or so.
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  Speaker 2: Games all, right we are going to take a quick.
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  Speaker 1: Break and then afterward we're gonna do a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more reflecting on the terror school trade as kind of
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  Speaker 1: The tigers top, prospects not including draft picks, yet But
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  Speaker 1: Max clark is number, one obviously about to graduate from,
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  Speaker 1: that But Zire hope number, Two River ryan number, Five
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  Speaker 1: Cash mayfield number. Six so, there so that's three in
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  Speaker 1: pop Pipe line CZ's guys slotted in in The tiger
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  Speaker 1: system right. Now so Obviously hope and And smith And
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  Speaker 1: ryan were were the pieces of The ark schoobl. Trade
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  Speaker 1: cody and as you, Said Scott harris indicated that once
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  Speaker 1: The baltimore series played out that the way that it,
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  Speaker 1: did he they made the decision that they were going
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  Speaker 1: to move forward With schooble trade. Ideas i'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: tell you What i'm under the impression, of and then
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  Speaker 1: you kind of tell me Where i'm off for filling
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  Speaker 1: the gaps or. Whatever Like i'm kind of under the
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  Speaker 1: impression That Scott harris and his brain trust had a
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  Speaker 1: like list of probably six guys like per team they
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  Speaker 1: thought that they would try to Shop Trek scoobel, too
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  Speaker 1: and if they if if if the other team wasn't
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  Speaker 1: willing to play ball at, all they weren't really in
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  Speaker 1: a in a waste in a waste of time mood
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  Speaker 1: to like have conversations that they knew were not gonna net.
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  Speaker 1: Anything so like it's been reported that The Tampa Bay
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  Speaker 1: rays those were brief conversations and if they just, said,
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  Speaker 1: hey if, this if we're not getting, this then we're you,
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  Speaker 1: know we're not gonna waste. Time it seems like The
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: dodgers deal came together pretty quickly based on. Reporting and,
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  Speaker 1: again like if The yankees or The cubs or The
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  Speaker 1: brewers weren't going to include like the names that The
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: tigers had kind of, predetermined like we're gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: be a part of the deal or at least part
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  Speaker 1: of the, discussion they weren't really trying to burn the
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: midnight oil about, negotiating, uh you know with those teams
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  Speaker 1: For Terek. School so it seemed like The dodgers they
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  Speaker 1: had their eye on, it they were very happy with
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  Speaker 1: with the, return and they didn't feel the need to
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  Speaker 1: just kind of see what else could happen Post saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Night so that's kind of my, understanding like what can
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  Speaker 1: you kind of help us contextualize?
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  Speaker 3: Here, yeah it was interesting to, hear you, know kind
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  Speaker 3: of the criticism go beyond just fans or. Pundits you,
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  Speaker 3: know you're hearing former gms ON tv All monday asking, oh,
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  Speaker 3: well why didn't they why didn't they wait? Longer it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting Scott harris framed the negotiations a little bit differently
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: than things myself and my colleagues had heard from the other.
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  Speaker 3: Organizations acting like they had a lot of, offers acting
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  Speaker 3: like they had a lot of good, offers acting like they,
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  Speaker 3: took you, know painstaking time to evaluate all these. Offers harris,
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  Speaker 3: said there was a bidding, war there were a lot
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  Speaker 3: of organizations. Involved there wasn't any need to stretch it any.
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  Speaker 3: Further they put in WHAT i believed to be their max.
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  Speaker 3: Offers then they added to those offers also and got
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  Speaker 3: to a point of almost audible. Pain when they presented
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  Speaker 3: their best, offers they gave them to, us and we
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  Speaker 3: pulled the. Trigger, Respectfully harris, said the notion that we
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  Speaker 3: should have waited twenty four or forty eight hours later
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  Speaker 3: and extracted more, value that's. Garbage that's not how these negotiations.
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  Speaker 3: Work so, Clearly Scott harris was not a fan of
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  Speaker 3: the notion that he should have waited, longer and again
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  Speaker 3: to hear it From harris didn't seem like he believed
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  Speaker 3: that made any. Difference he described the market for star
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: player kind of the cut above the rest to be.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Different there's no other market forces factoring. In no team
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: is going to pivot To Tarik. Schouble you're either going
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: to go give your best offer For Errek scuoble or you're.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: NOT i actually think that kind of makes sense when
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: he frames it like. That at the same, TIME i
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: guess you never. KNOW i still come back to they
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: got too top one hundred, prospects top, seventy top, fifty
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: depending on what list you go. By AS Mlb pipeline,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: noted two top one hundred prospects had not been traded
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: for a rental ever since at least two thousand and.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Four SO i think that's another marker that The tigers
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: did okay on this. Trade but it was certainly interesting
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: to Hear harris's side of.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: It, yeah and you, know like a AS i, REFLECT
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: i tend to also be somewhat narrow minded the things
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: THAT i. Want And i'm, like, well but if, if
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: if this is WHAT i want AND i got in
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: front of, me, LIKE i don't need to feel the
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: need to waste time and try to get more or
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: try to see what else is out. There So i've
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: done that a time or two in my life in
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: some pretty key. Decisions so far be it for me
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: to Criticize harris and company for doing it this. Way
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: but there is also a piece of you had to
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Trade Tark schooble because of where you are and where
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: his contract status, is which obviously is expiring at the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: end of the. Season he did go into a little
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: bit of Detail cody about the possibility of Extending Tarrek
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: schooble over the over the course of the past couple of.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Years so.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: The way he described it was an initial offer or
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: HOW i want to get this, Right they got early
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: indications That schoolble was going to test free, agency and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: what that early, IS i don't think he gave the exact,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: detail but they got early indications That Trek schoogle was
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and his team were intent on becoming a free, agent
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: which he, said it is. Right he didn't have any
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: animosity in his voice about it or anything like, that
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: but that so we always assumed that that cloud was
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: hanging over this, organization and certainly that played a part
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: and with the need to Trade trek school and also
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: what the market would, dictate because everyone knows that he
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: is a Rental.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah you, KNOW i Asked Scott harris this, question AND
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: i wasn't sure if he would answer, it but now
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: That schoopl's, gone AND i thought it was just important
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: to try to clarify kind of the historic record Of
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Trek schoogle's time with The Detroit. Tigers and To harris's,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: credit he gave more than he ever has. Before he
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: said they made him an extension offer, once and he
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: said the response THAT i got From derek's agent was
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: pretty clear that he was an intent when going to
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: free agency and exploring the, market which is totally his
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: right And no one should be upset about. That it
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: was very clear from the exchange what the intentions. Were
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: he deserved. IT i expect him to be a free
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: agent this, winner and we'll see what happens from.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: There so that was.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Interesting of, Course harris didn't say exactly when this offer went,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: down exactly what the offer. Was so, again just realizing
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: this is kind of the historic record Of Trek scooble's
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: time with The. TIGERS i called our good Friend Scott,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: boris who went on the record and said The tigers
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: offered four years and seventy five. Million boris said this
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: was after the twenty twenty four, season after school's first
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: cy young. Year, boris this is in The athletic you
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: guys can go read. It boris told me he countered
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: with an eight year. Proposal he wanted something the eight year,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: range two more years UNTIL arb and six more years
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: on top of, that and according To Scott, boris he
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: was told, no The tigers weren't willing to commit that.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Far and it doesn't sound like any other negotiations of
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: any serious level ever took. Place, Again so.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Who do we believe? HERE i don't.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: KNOW i think there's probably some truth to both, accounts,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: RIGHT i wouldn't be shocked, if just my, interpretation if
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: The tigers came in with a pretty low ball offer in,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: spirit that's probably their starting, negotiations, right and they probably
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: got told. No and it's a bores. Client we all
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: know how that. Works he was probably gonna test free
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: agency and so it just never really got off the.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Ground but we had speculated on this pod, before LIKE
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: i don't, know do you at least have to put
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: your best foot forward and put a card on the
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: table and Give schooble your best offer beforefore you trade.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Them and it does not SOUND i think we didn't
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: say for a fact neither. Side you, know it sounds
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: as though that did not. Happen it sounds as though
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: maybe the only form offer exchanged was four years for
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: seventy five. Million that's a number that will Get Scott harris.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: ROASTED i do think it's worth pointing out there's probably
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: a little more nuance that went, on and, again this
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: is just how it tends to go bors clients are
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: going to test free. Agency but, again for all the
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: people that Knocked trek, scouble, well why didn't he want
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: to stay In? DETROIT i, look if he really wanted,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: it wanted to could he even arrange?
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: That?
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Sure but it also doesn't sound like The tigers
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: ever really were serious about about making that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Happen, yeah no, villains no. Heroes.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Uh kind of HOW i HOW i feel BECAUSE I
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: i don't want to do the Whole monday morning quarterback
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: thing because it's not LIKE i was on here saying
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: like you have to Trade Tarrek scooble going into the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: season or. Whatever but it just kind of felt like
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: for the past couple of, years this cloud that was
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: hanging over and just kind of the uneasiness and the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: way like everybody just kind of had to talk about
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: throwing the art tration hearing and just like how that
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: was to like, it probably it was probably fitting that
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: this team would have like a sunk In may and
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: a weird injury To School bowl and then they have
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to trade them to The. Dodgers like maybe it was always,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: yeah maybe it was always predetermined to end this, Way,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: cody because it was weird there for a, while and
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: it ended in somewhat of a weird fashion with a
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: game And wednesday game At America park and The tigers
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: blow seven nothing leading like all these things maybe maybe
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: maybe it was just so fitting.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: And In, hollywood even if it wasn't A hollywood.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Ending so uh, so, yeah we'll probably we'll probably never
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: know the full story and the nuanced part of, it
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and and that's and that's. Okay these things tend to
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: work out as they probably, should and everybody can kind
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: of think back and be, like, well it'd be better
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: if we would have done, this or he would have done,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: That but you, KNOW i think everyone kind of acted
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: in their own. Interests and at the end of the,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Day Trek schoobol is going to be competing for a
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: world series And tigers got pretty dang good value for
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: his services at the time that they decided to trade.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Him so that's a closed chapter for.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Now there will be another chapter to the Tear school story,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: obviously all, right we're going to take a quick, break
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: and then after we'd kind of siphon out a little,
• 24:18
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  Speaker 1: Here, so as of, recording The tigers are less than
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: three games out of the last playoff spot in The
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: American league and Look Scott harris admitted that as much
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: in his press or that, obviously like he made it
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: harder by trading to starting pitchers for you, know this
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: team to compete this. Year another piece of, THIS i
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: don't you, KNOW i don't think there were that many
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: hardcore sellers in The American. LEAGUE a lot of moving,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: pieces but not not like not kind of like shut,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: down you, know like The rangers made like one movie
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: speculation they might kind of you, know hardcore sell Like
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: baltimore obviously kind of, yeah but like it's not like
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: there wasn't a whole lot of punny on this on
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the season from From American league. TEAMS i felt, like
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: so that part is. True so you have to kind of,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: say it's going to be harder for this team to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: make the. Playoffs But i'm still not ignoring the way
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: that they've, played you, know Since june, one and like
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and just kind of like the craziness of this season
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: with the mind or with the plus what sixty three
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever run differential that The tigers, have there's too
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: much of a sample size, here plus some reinforcements coming
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: to think like they're out of.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: It so where's where's the line about.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: What what the what the twenty twenty Six tigers could.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Be, yeah you, Know i've been SAYING i don't think
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: the season's, over AND i do still believe. THAT i
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: also still believe you have a lot to. Overcome it's
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: hard for me to fully be optimistic knowing the state
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: of this bullpen that we've been talking about for like
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: two months now is being the weak. Link bullpens are
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: volatile by, nature, right and we've seen the bad version of.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: That it's also possible we could see the good version of.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: That maybe this bullpens do for a really good. Month and,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: seriously that's just how bullpens tend to work in these
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: short samples sometimes even though the overall quality of stuff isn't.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Great you, KNOW i don't.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Know Kyle finigans really. Struggled And Kyle finigan's probably not
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: as good as he was the eighteen innings or whatever
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: when The tigers got him last, year but he's better
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: than he's been. Recently, like is that someone who could
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: get back on track and help? You but you still
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: need you, Know Will vest is now.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Out for the.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Year you need someone else to really step up and
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: help you in these late, innings, specifically so that's the
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: thing that gives me. Pause that, said it's been pretty
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: fun watching these young guys come. Up Man Edwardo valencia
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: can hit the. Ball Mexic clark looks like he belongs
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: in the big. League how You lee continues to be.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Productive Scott harris even alluded to, it we might see
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: some more young, guys but the pitching Minus Mizen. Schooble
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: we know you're gonna Get jackson job. Eventually River ryan
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: would be shocked if you get him by Late august Early.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: September but even that few week, period who's filling out your?
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: ROTATION i don't. Know The tigers remain in this spot
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: where they have just no margin for. Error so even
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: THOUGH i think they still have enough talent to do,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: this there are more question marks THAN i would.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Like there to.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Be, yeah you, know like in twenty, four WHICH i
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: don't really, love like just kind of using twenty four
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: as an example as to like anything.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Happy, Emily, so, right where are the chances you're gonna
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: get two historic? Anomalies you are literally though in a
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: better position than you were.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Then, right, like like they had to make a decision
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to do like the pitching chaos, thing and like you,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: know kind of had to like reframe the like The
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Major league organization to kind of fit the circumstances they were.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: IN i don't see that as being a necessary. Tool
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: like obviously you gotta make adjustments when you get rid
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of too sorry, Pictures BUT i don't see that as
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: something that like they're gonna have to revamp every little
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: thing about this team in order to kind of give
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: themselves a shot more or, less more or, Less, cody
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: if they just kind of keep doing what they're, doing
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: they are going to have a. Shot whether whether it
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: works or not is completely, different but they are they
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: are having a shot right. Now and so like, That
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: like IF i were to try to summarize this twenty
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: twenty six trade deadline is like you kind of do
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: what you have to for the overall health of your
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: organization With schoogle and miz, deals and then after that
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you kind of see what. Happens, like like you, said
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: kind of lining the sand with other guys that you
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: could have, traded see what happens is not the worst
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: thing on the planet for, me given the state of
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: The American, league given given again a large sample size
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: of this team playing winning. Baseball it would have been
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: really really hard to see a complete teardown after, well you,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: know outscoring The, a's.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Whatever the whatever that was over the week.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: In like twenty six to, four you, know whatever the
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: hell it.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Was so sixth, alright seven.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: A lot too, little so so, yeah like.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: It if there's if there's any like team that could
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: make a, run it's a team that has made a
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: run before and has been playing really good. Baseball and
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: maybe there is a spark here with some of these young,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: guys but.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: It's important to remember here and you still have two
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: of the top five players in The American league And
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: jas McGonagall And Dylan. Dingler you have an all star
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: hitter In Riley. Green you have From, Ravaldez Troy melton
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: and really good cater Monterro, like you have some high end.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Players your problem was the back end of your, roster
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: and now the back end of for your. Roster, well
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: now you've subtracted some of the high end players you,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: had there are even more glaring questions going to the
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: back end of your. Roster you're really banking on those
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: guys to play a little better to support the dudes
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: you have who are very good, yeah.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: And like THEY i would, say it's not out of
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the realm of any of these guys' ability to do
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: this or get hot or. Whatever so if you want to,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: say like they should have punted on the season and
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: just kind of recouped every single piece of, value like,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: possible you, know to go into twenty seven all, Right like,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Fine LIKE i get, it BUT i still think it's
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: gonna be fun to see how this plays out with
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: this current iteration of the. Team and then you throw
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: in The clerk, piece which we haven't really talked about,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: obviously there's been so much trade, deadline The clark, piece
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: The joe, piece like, that this feels like a good
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: present and well and it will make for a promising
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: future for the.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Team so like.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Overall trade, Deadline Gray, CODY i Think i'm gonna go
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: with A b. PLUS i like The meze, Value SO
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: i gave A b for the school, trade So i'm
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: up into A b plus. OVERALL i like The meze,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: value AND i like just kind of letting the guys
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: continue to play winning baseball and then just kind of
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: see what. HAPPENS i think there's value in trying to
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: play winning.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Baseball, Yeah i'd give it a similar grade the. Thing
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: i'd note we. Are we're firmly in The Scott harris era.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: NOW i, mean obviously it's year four of his time,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: here but more and more of his guys are coming
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: up to this the major. Leagues that clubhouse looks and
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: feels a lot different than it did one week. Ago
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: these are his. Dudes this was a career defining trade.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Deadline he could be A gm for thirty more. Years
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: he may never make another trade as big as the
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: one he just. Made so you, know there's gonna be
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: no hiding we're about in the next year or, two
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: we're gonna get real clarity on the Work Scott harris
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: has done In. Detroit for all the arguing that back and,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: forth like it's it's, here, now these are his. Guys
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: this is his, thing and we're about to find out
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: how it.
• 33:09
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• 33:16
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