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#818 The Most Ken-ergetic Movie Review of the Year · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: It's their Happy Families podcast. I actually am concerned that
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  Speaker 1: the important, genuinely, truly important messages that are in this
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  Speaker 1: about respect and gender issues in terms of equality and access.
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  Speaker 1: I think that the people who need to hear the
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  Speaker 1: message most are going to miss the message. From that
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  Speaker 1: point of view, I feel like it's preaching for choiet.
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  Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum
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  Speaker 1: and dad. Okay, Kylie, I feel like I've got my
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  Speaker 1: kennergy just right for today's podcast. My name is just
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  Speaker 1: Can Coulson, Just Ken Coulson. What are you laughing at?
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  Speaker 1: I've got a PhD in psychology. You can view whoever
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  Speaker 1: you want. That's the whole point of it. You can
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  Speaker 1: be you. You can be you if you have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: What's just happened to the Happy Family Podcast? We went
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  Speaker 1: watched Barbie a couple of days ago.
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  Speaker 2: Well let's just say you're just Ken.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just Ken instead of just then and we are
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  Speaker 1: ready to have a big conversation on today's podcast episode
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  Speaker 1: about well, we need to talk about two things because
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  Speaker 1: we're not supposed to start here. But we've then kind
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  Speaker 1: of got a run sheet because there's so much to
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  Speaker 1: talk about. And I'm jumping all over the place already,
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  Speaker 1: but we need to start with attitude. I did not
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  Speaker 1: want to watch the Barbie movie at all.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm sure that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm nearly fifty years old. I'm a middle aged man.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure JR. Could bring up the words
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  Speaker 2: were literally.
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  Speaker 1: We've had this conversation the other night. You said to me,
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  Speaker 1: can we please go and watch Barbie? And what was
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  Speaker 1: my response?
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  Speaker 2: I'd rather die?
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  Speaker 1: I think that's pretty much what I said, kill me now.
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  Speaker 1: Just no, all right? So I definitely said that last week,
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  Speaker 1: and we knew that because we do the Happy Families
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  Speaker 1: podcast that it was essential that I watched it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's why you went and watched the movie.
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  Speaker 1: Because of the podcast, because I felt like we had
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  Speaker 1: an obligation to talk about the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Think I think that it went a bit further than that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why I went and watched the Barbie
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  Speaker 1: movie outside of that. Why don't you tell me why?
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  Speaker 2: Craig said you had to?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, our executive producer, Craig said, justin, you have
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  Speaker 1: to do it for the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: And what did you say?
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  Speaker 1: I said, I'll see it if you see it, and
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  Speaker 1: then you can give me some ideas of what I'm
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  Speaker 1: supposed to talk about, like you're doing this to me anyway,
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  Speaker 1: We're going to come back to the attitude stuff. Suffice
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  Speaker 1: to say that I said I will only watch the
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  Speaker 1: Barbie movie. We'll watch it on in the morning on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday morning if I can watch Oppenhauer that night with you.
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  Speaker 1: So this episode is going to be a review of
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  Speaker 1: Barbie and Oppenheimer, only one episode, which shouldn't be that hard.
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  Speaker 2: So is it open Barbie? Now?
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  Speaker 1: I think they're calling it Barbieheim are online?
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  Speaker 2: Barbie?
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  Speaker 1: You are so funny. So let's get started. Now that
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  Speaker 1: the kennegy is established, we need to talk about what
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  Speaker 1: has been happening online on my Facebook page, and then
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get into the Barbie stuff. But let's
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  Speaker 1: just keep the Facebook stuff quick.
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  Speaker 2: If you've been following Justin for some time now and
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  Speaker 2: in the Happy Families page, you will have noticed that
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  Speaker 2: a few months ago, we decided to go on a
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  Speaker 2: holiday and.
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  Speaker 1: The team took over. Team went crazy while the bosses away.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to play with this Facebook page, and they
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  Speaker 1: delighted our I don't know nearly a quarter of a
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  Speaker 1: million followers on Facebook, with just some of the funniest
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  Speaker 1: stuff ever included. Anyway, we don't need to go there.
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  Speaker 1: But they've done it again. And because I've been so
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  Speaker 1: busy traveling the last couple of weeks has been so
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  Speaker 1: much going on, they've actually done another hashtag. While the
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  Speaker 1: bosses away, they changed my profile picture on Facebook without
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  Speaker 1: my knowledge, from being a a picture of me to
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  Speaker 1: being a picture of Ken.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you looked pretty hot, and.
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  Speaker 1: Then they actually wrote, if we don't hear anything in
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  Speaker 1: the office about this new profile picture for one week,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to make an even bigger change. And because
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  Speaker 1: I was traveling, because I've had so much going on,
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  Speaker 1: I actually didn't see it, so I didn't make a
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  Speaker 1: comment about it, and then they changed my profile picture too, Babby.
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  Speaker 1: So for the last couple of weeks on Facebook, my
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  Speaker 1: profile picture for the Happy Family's page has been Barbie. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: they've been having a lot of fun. They've had a
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  Speaker 1: picture of you and I on some stairs where it
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  Speaker 1: says I'm everything, it says Kylie's everything, and then it's
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  Speaker 1: got a picture and then I'm sitting beside Kylie and
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  Speaker 1: it says I'm just Ken. So anyway, the Facebook page
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  Speaker 1: has been going very fun very funny. The zeitgeist moment
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  Speaker 1: has arrived. And now before we run out of time
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  Speaker 1: because we've got to talk about Oppenheimer, let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: Barbie the movie. Please, oh before we talk about the
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  Speaker 1: movie twenty seconds if I can now, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: sound like a middle aged grump shouting at clouds. But
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  Speaker 1: we got into the movie theater, we sat down. People
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  Speaker 1: were in our seats. This is allocated seating. Everyone's final.
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  Speaker 2: They were in our seats because someone else was in there.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. So everyone's finally moved over and we got
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  Speaker 1: our seats. We've sat down. We missed the first two
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  Speaker 1: minutes of the movie because of it, and literally for
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  Speaker 1: the duration of the movie. No, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: sound like I'm a big grump, but for the duration
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  Speaker 1: of the movie. I'm talking somewhere between twenty and thirty times,
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  Speaker 1: these four kids or aged I reckon somewhere between seven
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  Speaker 1: and ten ran up and down the stairs and down
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  Speaker 1: the corridor in and out of the movie theater. And
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  Speaker 1: when I say up and down the stairs, the stairs
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  Speaker 1: have got carpet, but they're sort of wooden underneath until
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  Speaker 1: you can hear the or the look well, the four
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  Speaker 1: kids up and down about thirty times. It was so disruptive.
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  Speaker 1: And then there was a lady sitting right behind us
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  Speaker 1: who laughed at everything, including the not funny things, loudly.
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  Speaker 1: And then right in the very big moment, the big
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  Speaker 1: moment where the main character gives her big speech about
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  Speaker 1: how hard it is to be a woman, there's these
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  Speaker 1: three people who have walked in and stopped right next
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  Speaker 1: to us, and they realized that they've walked into the
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  Speaker 1: middle of a movie and they're in the wrong movie theater.
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  Speaker 1: And it was like people, seriously, movies are dying. People
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  Speaker 1: just want to sit in their living room and watch
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  Speaker 1: it with piece and quiet. Honestly, I'm a grouch, am
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  Speaker 1: I like it was legit.
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  Speaker 2: It was legit.
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  Speaker 1: It was legit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't usually make any complaints that I actually went
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  Speaker 2: and said something.
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  Speaker 1: You became the Karen, you know, I.
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  Speaker 2: Just I just acknowledged an apologies for anything, apologize to
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  Speaker 2: every Karen because I hate that name, but that's the
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  Speaker 2: only way that I can say it in shorthand. But
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  Speaker 2: I just said, I've never sat in a cinema where
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  Speaker 2: there hasn't been regular checks done by an attendant to
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  Speaker 2: just make sure everything's going okay. There literally was no
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  Speaker 2: one who came in at any point, and these kids
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  Speaker 2: just roll like ruled the roots.
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  Speaker 1: The on time didn't give us how fifty bucks back? Gee,
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  Speaker 1: movies are expensive these days, twenty five. Okay, let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't go to the movies with you.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. Two movies in one day. That
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  Speaker 1: was an expensive weekend. Let's not go there. Now we
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  Speaker 1: need to talk about Oppenheimer. But first we have to
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  Speaker 1: talk about Barbie. Unfortunately, so let's dive into it. Barbie.
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  Speaker 1: Our feel on the Mallibley, the big parent in question,
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  Speaker 1: so many parents are asking it is how old? How
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  Speaker 1: old do my kids need to be to see this movie?
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  Speaker 1: I want to take my kids to see Barbie. How
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  Speaker 1: old should they be?
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  Speaker 2: So based on our experience today.
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  Speaker 1: With the seven to ten year olds running in and
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  Speaker 1: out because they couldn't be bothered watching the movie.
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  Speaker 2: And a handful of parents who walked out with their
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  Speaker 2: five and seven year old like five and six year olds. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously I'm guessing based on the fact that it's dark,
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  Speaker 2: I would be suggesting you'd want your kids in high
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  Speaker 2: school in fact, our fifteen year old went last week
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  Speaker 2: with her friends and she came home she said there
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  Speaker 2: was heaps of funny parts in it, she said, but
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  Speaker 2: kind of just got lost in it. Yes, she didn't
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  Speaker 2: really understand what's going on. I would suggest that a
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  Speaker 2: large percentage of people who go would actually miss so much.
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  Speaker 1: Of what I feel like I missed a lot. Yeah. Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I hated film and television. I hated doing movie
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  Speaker 2: reviews and stuff at high school. But I can tell
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  Speaker 2: you right now I would love to sit down with
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  Speaker 2: my film and television teacher, all of you know, thirty
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  Speaker 2: years ago, and actually dissect this movie. I think this
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  Speaker 2: movie would be so much fun to actually sit with
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  Speaker 2: somebody who can pull it all to pieces.
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  Speaker 1: So from an age guide from me, I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: too worried about kids maybe ten or eleven seeing it
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  Speaker 1: at all. They're just not going to understand it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's my issue with it, which is not an issue
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  Speaker 1: right in terms of a maturity and the kid's okay
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  Speaker 1: to see it. There's no kissing, there's no swearing, although
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  Speaker 1: there is a bleeped out swear word towards the end,
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  Speaker 1: but it comes and goes very very quickly, and the
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  Speaker 1: innuendo is only comes up a couple of times. It's
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  Speaker 1: fairly light, and I think most kids would miss most
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  Speaker 1: of that sort of stuff. So I just don't think
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  Speaker 1: kids younger than about twenty four are going to really
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  Speaker 1: want to understand it, or not teen. But you could
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  Speaker 1: let kids from about I reckon ten or eleven probably
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  Speaker 1: sit in the movie and watch it. So with the
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  Speaker 1: age out of the way, we've already addressed the fact
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  Speaker 1: that I had a pretty lousy attitude going in.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean? But going in?
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean? What do you mean? What I mean?
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  Speaker 2: I hate going to the movies with you. You were
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  Speaker 2: like a energy sucker, You like suck all the energy
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  Speaker 2: out of it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't. I don't quite understand why you think
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  Speaker 1: that I'm sucking any energy out. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: make this about us, though. I had a pretty poor
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  Speaker 1: attitude going in. But once I stepped down, I thought,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to give this a good crack.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And every time the lady behind us laughed, I'd
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  Speaker 2: look at you thinking are you gonna laugh? And you
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  Speaker 2: roll your eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, But apart from that, the first while they're in
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  Speaker 1: barbieland I actually didn't like the movie at all. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so can I just say there are a couple of spoilers.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly they I think this was such a creative movie
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  Speaker 2: purely on set, and it was amazing. They literally bought
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  Speaker 2: Barbie and Barbie World to life on the screen. It
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  Speaker 2: was just brilliantly done.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm just kid anywhere else. So the first scene,
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  Speaker 1: We've got all the Barbie's ruling Barbie Land, you've got
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  Speaker 1: a Barbie President, you've got Barbie spring Court, you've got
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  Speaker 1: a totally and they have a Barbie Girls Night every
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  Speaker 1: single night, and the boys aren't invited.
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  Speaker 2: Well because it's Barbie House.
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  Speaker 1: Everything is like that. But the way that it was
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  Speaker 1: dealt with it felt horrible as a guy, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: even for you watching the way they treated can definitely
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was so disrespectful, and I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: that was the point of it, right to show what
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  Speaker 1: happens when you rule and you don't realize how good
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  Speaker 1: you've got it in a in a power in a
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  Speaker 1: position of power, and then Barbie ends up in the
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  Speaker 1: real world and things start to change. So I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to give a plot overview here or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: But I do need to talk about not just the
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  Speaker 1: creativity and the brilliance of the.
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  Speaker 2: Movie, but did you say Barbie was brilliant?
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  Speaker 1: It was?
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  Speaker 2: Did you just say Barbie was brilliant?
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since
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  Speaker 1: we saw it. Saw it like It's the kind of
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  Speaker 1: movie that, if you're willing to think about it, it really
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  Speaker 1: gets in your head. Did I agree with everything in it? No,
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  Speaker 1: not at all. Were there elements of both their way
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  Speaker 1: of viewing the patriarchy and also the things that they
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  Speaker 1: said about feminism or the things the movie seems to
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  Speaker 1: be saying about feminism that I think could absolutely be improved,
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  Speaker 1: no question. But this is a movie that gets in
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  Speaker 1: your head if you let it, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: they did an outstandingly good job.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting because our eldest daughter and her husband went
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  Speaker 2: and saw it the other night, and I asked each
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  Speaker 2: of them whether they enjoyed it and whether you were
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  Speaker 2: going to be cranky when you walked out, and our
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  Speaker 2: son in law, Jared said, He's like, look, I kind
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  Speaker 2: of get what they're talking about. He said, Bert, Yeah, Nah,
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  Speaker 2: I just kind of missed the mark for me.
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  Speaker 1: Then I rang my door it now before we get there.
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  Speaker 1: This is the critical thing. I was going to bring
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  Speaker 1: this up right at the end, but this is the
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  Speaker 1: critical thing. I actually am concerned that the important, genuinely,
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  Speaker 1: truly important messages that are in this about respect and
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  Speaker 1: gender issues in terms of equality and access. I think
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  Speaker 1: that the people who need to hear the message most
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  Speaker 1: are going to miss the message because they either won't
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  Speaker 1: watch the movie or they walk out and us say
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  Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying, our son in law said, And
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  Speaker 1: from that point of view, I feel like it's preaching
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  Speaker 1: to the choir. I feel like it ticks all the
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  Speaker 1: boxes for everyone who already agrees with it, and people
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  Speaker 1: who agree with it are going to love it and
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  Speaker 1: be super excited, and it might even inspired some parents
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  Speaker 1: to work on the conversations that they will have with
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  Speaker 1: their kids. But boy, a boy, I really truly think
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of people are going to walk out
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  Speaker 1: and be completely unchanged, unfazed by it, and not think
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  Speaker 1: about it again. And that's the problem. That's the problem
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  Speaker 1: with a movie like this.
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  Speaker 2: I think when you think of systemic change, though it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't happen in a moment, of course, not generational.
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  Speaker 1: Well it has to be. We need it to be
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  Speaker 1: over time.
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  Speaker 2: And so if all the good that comes out of
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  Speaker 2: this movie is that parents moving forward talk to their
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  Speaker 2: kids and help create change for the future, that's a
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  Speaker 2: huge step in the right direction.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, sure, fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'd love it to happen to yesterday, but the
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  Speaker 2: reality is it won't. But if we sit in that
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  Speaker 2: category and just go you know, nothing's going to change,
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  Speaker 2: then we don't ever try.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep. There was something in the movie that
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  Speaker 1: I really hated. It made me feel like less of
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  Speaker 1: a man, and I'll tell you what it was, but
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  Speaker 1: it's very hard for me to say. When Ryan Gosling
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  Speaker 1: did that chin up on the chin up bar with
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  Speaker 1: his shirt.
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  Speaker 2: Off, you know that you couldn't see his feet, right,
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't just standing on a stool.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I can tell you right now, based on the
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  Speaker 1: way that his chest and abdominals moved as he did
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  Speaker 1: that chin up, that he was doing a chin up,
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  Speaker 1: and it made me feel a little masculated. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I felt like less of a man in that moment.
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  Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with the fact that you
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  Speaker 2: don't have back.
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  Speaker 1: You tell the whole world. I can't believe you just
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  Speaker 1: said that. Wow, that was harsh. All right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we do need to talk about Oppenheimer. So let's wrap
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  Speaker 1: this conversation up with a couple of things I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to say. First off, I did not feel threatened by
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  Speaker 1: the conversations about the patriarchy. I didn't feel threatened by
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  Speaker 1: very much other than Ryan Gosling's chin up.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's just be clear, though, this is really important.
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  Speaker 2: You talk about the patriarchy, but the patriarchy isn't men.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, the.
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  Speaker 2: Patriarchy is the system that we live under, and it actually,
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  Speaker 2: across the board not only hurts us as women, but
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  Speaker 2: it hurts you as men.
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  Speaker 1: Don't disagree for a second, and.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the movie really really depicts that beautifully,
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  Speaker 2: like they've done just such a magnificent job of acknowledging
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  Speaker 2: that it's not one gender that's being hurt here across
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  Speaker 2: the board.
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  Speaker 1: And my final point on not feeling threatened was I
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  Speaker 1: did feel sad. I felt really sad because of the
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  Speaker 1: way we've built this world, and I think it's all happened,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe some of it has been intentional, but mainly
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  Speaker 1: it just made me sad. Because so much of it
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  Speaker 1: has been unintentional. This is just the way the world
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  Speaker 1: has evolved and built. When Barbie steps into a patriarchal
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  Speaker 1: society after having been in Barbieland and feeling so safe
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  Speaker 1: all the time, and she starts to encounter the various
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  Speaker 1: forms of abusive comments or just the leering, the psychological.
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  Speaker 2: Being treated as an object.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the lack of safety that came with the objectification
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  Speaker 1: that she experienced, I just it made me so sad,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember just thinking, this is the kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing where if we could just get every single boy
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  Speaker 1: on the planet to ask a woman if there's ever
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  Speaker 1: been a time where she didn't feel safe when she
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  Speaker 1: was just literally walking down the street, I think that
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  Speaker 1: that would be potentially the beginnings of a whole new
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  Speaker 1: revolution of empathy for males, recognizing how the physical strength
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  Speaker 1: but also the psychological space and expectation that men take
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  Speaker 1: up impacts women. So to me, that was a really
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  Speaker 1: strong illustration ultimately, and we do need to wrap this.
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  Speaker 1: My take home message in terms of watching the movie
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  Speaker 1: was that while we've talked a lot about patriarchy and
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  Speaker 1: gender in this conversation, and I don't consider myself to
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  Speaker 1: be a raging feminist, nor do I consider like I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty centrist. I think I'm kind of practical about this
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  Speaker 1: sort of stuff. The two things that I got out
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  Speaker 1: of it were, number One, when people know who they
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  Speaker 1: really are, they do so much better than when they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to be something because society expects it of them
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  Speaker 1: or the people around them, whatever. And the second thing
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  Speaker 1: that I got out of it was, there's just such
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  Speaker 1: a lack of respect and if we could just be kinder,
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  Speaker 1: if we could just be more respectful, which we will
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  Speaker 1: do so much more effectively if we know who we are.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just ken. I'm sorry, I'm just in the sense
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  Speaker 1: of identity is so important, and again it comes back
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  Speaker 1: to parenting for me, helping kids to be raised with
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  Speaker 1: all the good that comes with femininity and all the
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  Speaker 1: good that comes from masculinity, but pro socially oriented and
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  Speaker 1: a strong sense of identity, being our own main character
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  Speaker 1: with a pro social bent to support others. I just
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  Speaker 1: I think it was It was a surprisingly good movie,
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  Speaker 1: given that I went in with such a negative attitude
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  Speaker 1: to it, and I'm really glad that I got to
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  Speaker 1: see it.
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  Speaker 2: The two things that really stood out for me was
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  Speaker 2: this notion that for a long time, I think feminism
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  Speaker 2: has been this drive for equal rights, this need to
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  Speaker 2: be able to show that as a woman, I'm capable
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  Speaker 2: of doing everything that you can do as a man.
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  Speaker 2: And yet there's been this really beautiful shift over the
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  Speaker 2: years of acknowledging that your maleness and my feminineness.
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  Speaker 1: Go with femininity.
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  Speaker 2: Femininity, they don't detract from each other. When we actually
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  Speaker 2: show up, we are equal, not because we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: prove that we're capable of doing what the other can do.
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  Speaker 2: We compliment each other.
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  Speaker 1: It's the complimentarity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I loved that. You know, there's this
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  Speaker 2: moment when King just kind of says, it's always being
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  Speaker 2: Barbie and Ken. And for me growing up, there was
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  Speaker 2: just this acknowledgment that I'd feel whole once I found
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  Speaker 2: my Ken.
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  Speaker 1: And you found you just Ken. I did.
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  Speaker 2: I did, But you don't make me whole.
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  Speaker 1: I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I have to be whole within myself. I have to
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  Speaker 2: know who I am and what I want to be
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  Speaker 2: and who I will be, not because you add to me,
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  Speaker 2: but because I'm able to hold sound on my own.
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  Speaker 2: And there's so much power in that For our girls
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  Speaker 2: specifically to know that. And the last thing is at
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  Speaker 2: the very end, when Barbie's kind of she's lost, she
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  Speaker 2: doesn't understand who she is anymore. Is just this acknowledgment.
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  Speaker 2: And you said it, but you're the main character in
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  Speaker 2: your own story, but you're actually actually the author of
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  Speaker 2: that story. You author it, you decide no one else can.
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  Speaker 2: And there's so much power in that. And if our
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  Speaker 2: girls can learn that at such a young age, they
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  Speaker 2: don't have to wait till they're forty to be working
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  Speaker 2: it out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Kylie, this is the sort of movie that you
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  Speaker 1: watch and you think about for days, hopefully weeks, hopefully months,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully even longer afterwards. I rate it. I think that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: it gives parents loads of opportunities to talk about things
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  Speaker 1: with their kids, even if the kids don't see it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: We need to talk about Oppenheimer. Wasn't it good to
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: see that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? It was great.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we're out of time. We really hope that you
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: enjoyed The Happy Family's podcast, which was produced by Justin
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: from Fridge Media and Craig Bruce is our executive producer.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you looking at me like that? Are you
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: telling me that we've talked for over twenty minutes about Barbie.
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  Speaker 1: We can't talk about Oppenheimer. It was good. If you'd
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: like more information though, about making your family happier.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Please won't tell anyone about the pink burgie you have
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  Speaker 2: to lunch.
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  Speaker 1: I think we should put that up on our socials
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  Speaker 1: to celebrate this podcast and my conversation with you about Barbie.
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• 20:26
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• 20:28
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• 20:37
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• 20:42
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. It's worth your comments, it's worth
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• 20:55
  Speaker 1: a great day. And if you haven't seen the movie,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: check it out. I reckon there's a reason that it's
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the most popular movie in the world right now.