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Alien Viruses - The Kennedy Connection · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_00]: November 1963.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The President of the United States is asking questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Questions about UFOs, questions about classified programs, and according to alleged documents that would surface decades later, questions some people may not have wanted in masking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John F. Kennedy wanted information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted the CIA to open its files.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted NASA to start working with the Soviet Union, and he reportedly wanted the two most powerful nations on Earth's sharing UFO intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because he believed secrecy would accidentally start in nuclear war.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then the story gets stranger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the final days of his life, Kennedy's path crossed with men connected to some very familiar places.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right field, Fort Dietrich, Aerospace Medical Research, Biological Warfare, and according to the allegations we're going to explore today,
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[SPEAKER_00]: then Dallas, November 22nd, 1963.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Three shots, a dead president.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And 63 years later, we're still arguing about who really killed John F. Kennedy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But buried beneath the mountain of theories surrounding his assassination is one most people have never heard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because what if Kennedy wasn't killed simply because of what he knew?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if it was because he was getting ready to tell us?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is alien viruses, the Kennedy connection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause about ready to infect us with some alien viruses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, buddy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is something Steve and I have talked about off air.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A couple times not so much at this angle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know we've talked about Kennedy and UFOs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it, you know, it's hard to tell them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at this point, it is possible that the president in the United States, 1963, was assassinated for knowledge surrounding UFOs and alien viruses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not that far fetched, not really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially when we get through all some of this, especially if he was watching it with the Soviet Union.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, the big bads.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were a lot of people around JFK at the time that were actually involved in the topic of UFOs, and knowing as interest into the subject now, as the states in the book, not everyone around him had a part in the assassination, but there are figures that surrounded him that had heavy ties to biological warfare, bacteria warfare, and the United States cattle herd.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, in documents that were released by Timothy Cooper, who we've talked about in previous episodes, it's days that the president was trying to get the full story behind the intelligence community's ties with UFOs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It also noted that the president was rumored to have wanted to completely open the subject to the public.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Timothy Cooper,
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[SPEAKER_00]: popped out of document that that dated June 28, 1961, that was from Kennedy to the director of the CIA, and it was demanding that a review of MJ-12 intelligence operations as the relate to Cold War psychological warfare plans, saying that I would like a brief summary from you at your earliest convenience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at the time of the Cold War, the United States was actually worried about the Soviet air defense systems and not because they were super advanced, but because they were extremely subpar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in a way that could be a, you know, devastating for the entire world because they were sure that the Soviet air systems could actually, are they weren't sure that the Soviet air systems could actually tell the difference between a UFO spy plane or an intercontinental ballistic missile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the fear would be that it could be possible a UFO was in Soviet air space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they believed that it was an ICBM, and then they would launch all of their fun toys and completely destroy the planet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oops.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this was a big fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And kind of put Kennedy on a path of being like, hey,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We each probably have a conversation with these guys about this at first I was like If the Soviet Union's air defense is so bad how how do they think they're gonna shoot down a UFO and then it clicked in Oh, they're not gonna shoot down a UFO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just gonna annihilate the planet accidentally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes Which we do not want
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it gets better, though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to the ignorance of the United States, they thought it would be a great idea to start flying decoy planes over Soviet airspace to test this theory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look at genius.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah, we're worried they're gonna miss interpret UFO as an ICBM.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we should just fly planes over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a slower amount.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, see what they're gonna do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just poke the bear and it has a nuclear weapon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So dumb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was also rumored that the United States was actually developing UFO-like crafts and testing them over Soviet airspace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This way it would give them a convenient scapegoat to the situations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming the game plan was something the effect of like, hey, let's fly fake UFOs over Soviet airspace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That way we could nudge our way into this UFO conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: preferably without the risk of launching in a nuclear warhead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Kennedy actually found out about this and was going to start sharing UFO data with the Soviets so they could accurately track these objects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That way in his mind, at least ensuring that they wouldn't think it was an attack and start do's day launching all their missiles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: doomsday launching is the most terrifying combination of two words.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as that's all me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So 10 days before Kennedy's death,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he wrote the director of the CIA stating that he had instructed NASA's director to develop a program that would work with the Soviet Union in joint space and lunar exploration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This would help the Soviets identify UFOs and secret United States Air Force sources.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The NSA also intercepted a telephone call with the Soviet premiere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it would actually end up being released by Timothy Cooper, and I'm going to read this verbatim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kennedy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Premier, a situation has developed that affects both our countries and the world and I feel it necessary to convert, converts to you a problem that we share in common.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crush Chef.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. President, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kennedy, as you must appreciate the tension between our two great nations, has often brought us to the brink of showmanship with all the tapestry of a
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[SPEAKER_00]: and our impass last year was foolish and deadly, which read fern points out, the impass was the Cuban missile crisis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that almost got real real bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he goes on the division that separates us as through misunderstanding, politics, and cultural differences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we have one thing in common, which I would like to address to your working group on the UFO problem,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I agree with your assessment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We nearly tied the knot that divides us permanently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How working group believes the same way as yours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The UFO problem presents grave dangers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kennedy, then you agree, Mr. Premier, that we should cooperate together on this issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crest Jeff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Mr. President.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kennedy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Premier, I have begun an initiative with our with our NASA to exchange information with your Academy of Sciences in which I hope will foster mutual concern over this problem and hopefully find some resolution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have also instructed our CIA to provide me with full disclosure on the phantom aspects and classified programs in which I can better assess the situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you persuade your KGB to do likewise?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris Jeff, Mr. President, I cannot guarantee full cooperation in this area, but I owe it to future history and the security of our planet to try.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As you must know, I have been somewhat limited in my official capacity as party chairman to order such cooperation in this area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We too feel that the UFO is a matter of highest importance to our collective security.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I can arrange for a secret meeting between our working groups at a secret location and at a time designated by you, I feel this much on my part can happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kennedy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Premier, if meeting at this level can conceive it will be an important first step.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It will lead to more dialogue and trust between our countries and reduce the ever-present threat of nuclear war.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crest Jeff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Mr. President will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kennedy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we are an agreement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crest Jeff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kennedy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Until we talk again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So right there, it seems like both countries are clearly acknowledging a UFO presence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because even even Christchew, the premier is clearly stating that they not only know about UFOs, but they are identifying it as a threat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at least some capacity, be it miss identification on nuclear war.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or just the fact that they themselves are a threat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and almost makes you wonder if they they made themselves more well known during this time when, like, humanity was on the break of destroying itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they did, it, it, it, it definitely, I guess, gives
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially for them to like because we heard it time and time again, especially during the cold war, where they would fuck around with the Russian new silos and new bases and they would also fuck around with the American new silos and new bases.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's either I don't know it's it's almost like a.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to tell like where, where they stand on that, because it's almost like provocation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because you don't know if it's the Russians looking in to our new, because the Americans looking into their new, because what it is, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a weird stance to have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You would think if they were that advanced, they already understand nuclear technology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll never forget the document you found that showed the Americans and Russians working together in the middle of the fucking forest during the Cold War.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is, it's likely that that document you found could pertain to kind of like this conversation that we're relaying right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but some sort of a tribal that was going on, so if it's like, we could use some help over here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, all right, we're in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is fudge and crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But because of this conversation and it's desires with the UFO subject, this put in motion the entire assassination agenda.
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[SPEAKER_00]: MJ-12 and the CIA were not happy with any part of this plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It said that many of the people involved with UFO crashes had a hand in that fateful day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, with that being said, let's take a look at some of these key players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to first start with a guy banister.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This man apparently turns up in most of the books on the JFK's assassination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Guy was actually a former FBI agent that at the time was running his own detective agency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had been involved in a warne commission investigation on Kennedy's death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was also involved in an investigation by New Orleans District Attorney.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the building actually had a second entrance on a 544 camp street, which is what the Warren Commission said Lee Harvey Oswald had actually used.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The second entrance was at an anti-castro organization
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Cuban Revolutionary Council, after Bannerster died, is a lady actually found a fair play for Cuba committee papers in Bannerster's office.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bannerster's security also confirmed that Bannerster and Oswald were acquainted, so they knew each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bannister during his FBI years in Chicago were with Robert Mayhew, who was a consultant for Howard Hughes, Howard actually planned various assassination plots against Biddell Castro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bannister was also part of the Louisiana Minimen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bannister also testified before the Louisiana Joint Legislative Committee while working with the FBI.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was trained in counter espionage, counter sabotage, and counter subversive activity work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to this book, a few hours after Kennedy was shot, Bannister beat the shit out of one of his employees with his pistol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, he was going, he was afraid that this employee was going to reveal the getaway pilot for the real assassins of Kennedy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oddly enough, Bannister was one of the first FBI agents
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1947, I guess there was a UFO crash in Twin Falls, Idaho, which banister was a part of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another verbatim part here, which this is flugging pretty nuts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I need a whiteboard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of moving cards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of moving cards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a connect banister to Oswald and connect them to Hoover and connect them to JFK.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of moving cards for banister.
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[SPEAKER_01]: weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is actually a news clipping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I'm going to read for beta from the book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Montana, July 11th.
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[SPEAKER_00]: FBI agent W. G. Bannister said an object which appeared to be a flying disc was found early today at Twin Falls, Idaho and turned over to federal authorities there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bannister, federal agent and charge of the FBI in Montana and Idaho said the bureau had reported the discovery to the army at Fort Douglas, Utah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And FBI agent Twin Falls, inspected the saucer and described it as similar to the symbols used by a drummer in a band, placed face to face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The object measured 30 and a half inches in diameter with metal dome about 14 inches high on the opposite side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: anchored in place by what appeared to be stove bolts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The gadget is gold plated on one side and silver on the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It appeared to have been turned out by machine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Reports from Twin Falls said the DBI declined to elaborate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are the FBI declined to elaborate further?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Redfern points out here that this case in
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[SPEAKER_00]: Idaho Falls was a hoax, right, but it doesn't take away from the fact that Bannister had been behind closed doors and having meetings with the Army at Fort Douglas on UFOs, which means in that moment,
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[SPEAKER_00]: he was probably exposed to the truth on UFOs, which will forever connect him to that subject.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And why feel like in those circles, once you're in that circle, you're not getting out of that
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like since he was exposed to that he's now an asset in that field, you know, they're never going to let him disassociate himself from the knowledge that he learned because you know, in my head, he gets exposed to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, well, this is somebody that we're going to have to keep close eyes on and he's he's going to work for us now, essentially.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the next person is Fred Krisman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one's pretty bizarre and it really makes you feel a type of way about the evolution of some of these characters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this revolves around the main amount right near UFO sightings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this was before the popular sightings by Kenneth Arnold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this was three days prior to Kenneth Arnold's sightings in the same area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have a herald doll who spotted six objects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy was a lumber salvageer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But one of the objects that he he was looking at was in in this formation with these these other objects and it starts to have problems start swing side to side
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at this moment, the other UFOs in the formation scatter, it leave it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that one that was having problems starts to spit out a white-colored substance alongside a black substance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The black substance hits the water and actually causes the water to boil or hits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also noted that the black substance hits Harold Daw's dog and kills it on the spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's also a rumor that it hits his son and there was no mention of what had happened to the son, which I found strange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Harold Dahl reported these events to his superior, Fred Chrisman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This man has ties to the intelligence community, and I found that fucking bizarre that you have this, what they call a lumber savager, who is somehow tied, or his superior
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's almost like these bizarre little intelligence sleeper agents that are all over the country In these mundane positions for whatever fucking reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very bizarre to me Anyways, Chrisman walked this shore and actually found some of the white and black material And ends up keeping some of it
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chrisman then reports it to Ray Palmer, who ends up hiring Kenneth Arnold to investigate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chrisman ends up giving some samples to the Air Force, they sent these samples to right field for testing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there were two military men that come that fly out to acquire these samples and
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[SPEAKER_00]: the plane actually crashes, and the two military men are dead, but the samples are never recovered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we talk about this before?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't ring any bells for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That just sounded familiar to me because I was looking, I'm looking up the, the more island incident as you were talking about it was funny because I pulled it up right when you start talking about it and I'm like, man, this is another one we have ever come here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There might have been the one I was just talking about in the last episode where another one gets mentioned that I had never heard of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then once you said about the two men with the debris dying, I almost feel like we referenced that and something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We might have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe one of the incidents of like we were talking about deadly UFO encounters or something probably, I don't know, it's just something like so like I said, the samples were never recovered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now Captain Edward Ruppel, a project blue books spun the narrative that the entire encounter was nothing more than a hoax that ended badly for two men.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Fred Crispin was actually subpoenaed by New Orleans District Attorney as part of the investigation into the assassination of Kennedy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the Torbitt document, Crispin is actually named as one of three hobos picked up in the rail yard behind the infamous Grassy Noel at Dealy Plaza.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Fred Grisman has ties to a UFO crash and these materials and then later on he's one of three hobos that get picked up in a fucking train yard behind the grassy
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that has to be infinitely small odds for something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, because where I was Christmas and even from, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Washington, Washington's a long way from Dallas, like crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's, it's, it's nuts.
28:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
28:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Me too.
28:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when I was reading it, I was dumbfounded.
28:42
[SPEAKER_00]: because that's also something I've never heard is that there were a ton of people around this assassination that had close ties to crashed UFOs.
28:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, right on the Chrisman and the hobo and hobo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't mind me.
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: It has got my little pouch on my stick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just traveling, hope that an assassination doesn't happen here in Dallas.
29:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Clayton, the next one list is a man named Clay Shaw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And MJ12 document states that some of the debris from Mori Island incident was turned over to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Mori Island incident is what I had just referenced as we kind of went over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, these materials were reported to have been given to a CIA agent named Shaw, who can Thomas claims his clay Shaw, which is one of three people, the Jim Garrison attempted to indict.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Garrison claimed that his plan was to connect clay Shaw to Fred Chrisman, because he believed that Fred was in a sass and working on behalf of the aerospace industry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is it is fucking crazy to me that a new Orleans district attorney was convinced that the aerospace industry had assassins.
30:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:27
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and how much power those, those guys have now Lockied, and everybody else.
30:49
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost not that far-fetched.
30:55
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's really not, but it's not, it's nothing that first comes to mind either.
30:59
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, not at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I, I just would never assume that especially when you say it like that, the aerospace industry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like you like it my brain puts it on par with like Ford and Chevy you know these guys have fucking assassins working for them the automotive industry
31:24
[SPEAKER_00]: it's nuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that that moves us to Jim Garrison himself, the New Orleans district attorney, he ended up writing a book called on the trail of the assassins, which did not include any information on the UFO subject, but apparently he had identified players with links to UFO,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that were implemented in the assassination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also had pre-assassination links to Guy Bannister.
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[SPEAKER_00]: who we've already talked about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After World War II, Garrison went on to join the FBI, which where he got to know banister.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Garrison said that when he was in the police department, they would have lunch together, and it was based in Tacoma where the Mori Islands didn't had occurred, even saying that they swapped stories of their time in the FBI.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which could lead someone to assume that's highly possible that these two had actually talked about UFOs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even more so considering Garrison had leads on people that were a part of UFO groups within the government that may have also been tied to the JFK assassination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once again,
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[SPEAKER_00]: find a link to these guys and UFOs right like that's not something that just pops in your head as a as a district attorney you don't know me yeah yeah so somewhere along the lines he would have had to stumble across the topic of UFOs and and it just kind of would spiral from there
33:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we moved to a Michael, I can't even say it's last name, Reconciodo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nailed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to climb Michael.
33:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this guy was arrested in 1991 on drug charges.
33:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Investigated journalist Danny Cousillero was looking into Michael for his book called The Octopus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The book's material was based around a powerful group within the military, government and intelligence community, this group, uh, Danny believed had ties to UFOs and biological warfare.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Danny was found dead under very certain suspect circumstances in a hotel room on August 10, 1991.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Michael apparently worked for people that were tied to this octopus group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, this group also had ties to Iran, contra, the Lockerbee, Scotland Boeing 747 crash in 1988, gun running in the so-called October surprise controversy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael claims to know the real story behind the Mori Island incident and Fred Krishman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also says that he has knowledge on MJ-12 and an alien autopsy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, he made comments about Krishman and the JFK assassination, but refuses to elaborate any further on the matter.
35:20
[SPEAKER_00]: like, what are the odds and this is all coincidence?
35:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this dude, who's being investigated by a journalist, looking into this octopus group, who's dead, the dead also is business associates with Fred Krisman, who's then all these people are clearly in some way tied to this assassination.
35:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so wild.
35:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just looking up the stuff on Chris, man, and it's what's got a cool backstory.
35:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he, I mean, you, you don't know what is true and what isn't.
36:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because some people say that he was a former employee for Boeing and worked at Lockheed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Other people say he's a member of the CIA and the OSS and like all these different threads brought in all the above.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably going to just happen to be like around during the Mori Island incident.
36:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Weird and then you happen to be around the JFK's assassination just hanging out.
36:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
36:31
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so weird.
36:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Fucking strange.
36:36
[SPEAKER_01]: They have to like, that's a whole episode of the self there.
36:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it is.
36:41
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so nuts.
36:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, it's, as I'm reading through this book, it's fucking bizarre.
36:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a, there is a documentary on that whole octopus conspiracy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
36:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll have to, I'll have to check it out.
37:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to remember what it's on.
37:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it sounds awesome.
37:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It reminds me of Hydra.
37:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It, it's horrible.
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, it's a lot like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: monster conspiracy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To essentially the hydra logo is octopus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if that was like a softest closure or a nod to the conspiracy of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let me see what is that.
37:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, American conspiracy to octopus murders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll have to check it out.
37:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's on Netflix.
37:42
[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
37:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also amazing, like, the strands that you can pull in the paranormal world conspiracy world.
37:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Do so much of it overlaps.
37:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so, it's so wild.
37:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
37:57
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so moving on, we got a Colonel Philip Corso.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote the day after Roswell, which is supposedly his secret knowledge of the Roswell crash.
38:07
[SPEAKER_00]: He also,
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[SPEAKER_00]: hired in a, he was, he was also an investigator for Senator Richard Russell, who was on the Warren Commission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was also working on another book that was called the day after Dallas that according to him, whatever revealed the truth on the JFK assassination, which once again
38:37
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a major UFO sighting while visiting Russia in 1955.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was investigated by the CA and the Air Force.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He received the classified briefing on UFOs from the CIA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was, as I said, on the warned commission, and he believed that there was a conspiracy behind the assassination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: William Holden was with the United States Air Force, he served on Air Force one during Kennedy's tenure, read for an actually interviewed this man while he was in England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that while on the plain one day, he saw Kennedy reading a paper with a UFO article in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kennedy noticed Holden looking at it and asked him what his thoughts were on UFOs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holden told
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that Kennedy told him that you are correct, they do exist, holding also told Redfern that Kennedy wanted to tell the public about UFOs, but his hands were tied.
39:39
[SPEAKER_00]: There was Dorothy Killgallon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was a gossip calm columnist that was fed a crashed UFO story by the British government.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She also leaked parts of the Warren Commission's report on the GFK assassination.
39:56
[SPEAKER_00]: She was also the last person to interview Jack Ruby, the man who shot and killed Oswald.
40:03
[SPEAKER_00]: She said that she was going to blow the JFK assassination out of the water with some startling information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She apparently dies under suspicious circumstances before she had a chance to reveal the truth.
40:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I just heard that somewhere.
40:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Somewhere online a little snippet of that.
40:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Weird synchronicity that it pops up in your episode.
40:30
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a weird synchronicity.
40:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it was somebody did a little like real whistle blowers that died mysterious death.
40:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And that sucks.
40:42
[SPEAKER_01]: She was one of them.
40:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's whistleblown's hard business.
40:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but not if you're a UFO whistle blowers.
40:49
[SPEAKER_01]: We're ski vinsure because
40:53
[SPEAKER_01]: see that's that's exactly why I don't think you have a whistleblowers are doing anything to move the needle because real whistleblowers get put down so this is the one Steven I have talked about off air Marilyn Monroe Marilyn Manson Marilyn Manson
41:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, Marilyn Monroe.
41:23
[SPEAKER_00]: The great Linda Molten how had contact with two scientists are about area 51.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They said that Kennedy actually visited shortly after becoming president.
41:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yet this was what the reference to the, in a pinstay scene.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They said that Kennedy actually visited shortly after becoming president.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He got to witness the remains of the alien spacecraft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which comes from a CIA document on Marilyn Monroe that asserts that Kennedy had told her details of his visit to a secret air force base to inspect things from outer space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She also dies under weird circumstances after threatening to reveal classified government data that she recorded in her diary of secrets.
42:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
42:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
42:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
42:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
42:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
42:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And once again, it's just crazy that there's that many people that are both linked to UFOs and this assassination.
42:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like I say, it says, not directly involved in the assassination, but they're definitely in the orbit of.
42:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
42:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like if somebody took their, took their time.
42:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And like pin pointed all these people.
42:42
[SPEAKER_01]: They're me in pretty high body count.
42:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure.
42:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure.
42:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they all get kind of a clipsed by Kennedy himself.
42:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
42:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And like think about the implications of that, too, that.
42:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the entire world has been in the under the assumption that Kennedy was killed for whatever reason.
43:08
[SPEAKER_00]: What of the truth be told he was killed because he was going to blow the whistle on aliens all the way around, not only to us but to the Russians, it's crazy that there were people
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[SPEAKER_00]: for whatever reason wanted it all to be that tight-liped in the president of the United States is like now I'm just gonna tell people like I'm just gonna let it know and the for whatever reason the intelligence community was like no, no, no, no, no nope, time to quiet down it's it's wild to me time to quiet down
43:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so we've gone over some of the key players and hasn't impressed as you might be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you're wondering what is a connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How does this play to the overall subject of these episodes?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, according to MJ12 documents, Kennedy had been making inquiries with NASA and James Angelton and Alan Dools of the intelligence community about opening up classified UFO files to the public.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On November 21st, a planned event was set at Brooks Air Force Base in Texas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: JFK was supposed to dedicate six new aerospace medical research buildings there, which were rumored to be critical to the space program.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It said that during his time at Brooks, Kennedy actually got to see biological remains of alien cadavers, the same ones that were recovered from Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kennedy was supposed to meet General Theodore C. Bedwell, Jr. at Brooks as well.
45:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Bedwell actually received his doctor of medicine degree from Southern Methodist University in Dallas.
45:09
[SPEAKER_00]: He went to Fit Simmons General Hospital in Denver, first-first assignment.
45:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He also served various positions during World War II.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From 1946 to 1947, he served as deputy surgeon and chief industrial medicine, air material commanded right field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also spent time at aviation medicine at Randolph Field in Texas, a military base that appears in the list for a 1947 air accident report
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[SPEAKER_00]: So 48 hours before Kennedy was shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kennedy was to meet this man who was in a perfect position to see bodies brought him to right during 1947.
46:01
[SPEAKER_00]: He was also supposed to meet Colonel Howard V. Elingson, who had a bachelor's in bacteriology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He held a position of post surgeon and hospital commander at Ford Dietrich, where MJ-12 document state, alien viruses were being looked at.
46:23
[SPEAKER_00]: JFK was also supposed to meet up with the 6,570th Aerospace Medical Research Labs, which was based at Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their work was supposed to be based on putting a man in space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: based on the medical and biological perspective, JFK met with one man who held a hiring medical posting at right field in the summer of 1947.
46:51
[SPEAKER_00]: He met with another man who held a senior post at Ford Dietrich and received an arrow medical research briefing that was undertaking
47:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Guy Bainister also ties to biological warfare.
47:11
[SPEAKER_00]: At the hearings of the Louisiana Joint Legislative Committee on Mark 7th, 1957, Bainister discussed his knowledge of an outbreak
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[SPEAKER_00]: of foot-mounted disease in cattle herds in Canada that was suspected of being a deliberate release of the virus.
47:30
[SPEAKER_00]: He also investigated cases of wheat stem rust that attacked wheat and Montana and Dakota in the early 1950s, which was believed to actually be examples of biological warfare attempts on the United States by unknown sources.
47:47
[SPEAKER_00]: On both of these two examples, he said that he actually got with the nation's leading pathologist over it.
47:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So, once again, banster is tied to all these events and on top of that biological weapons, or at least the investigation of biological weapons, which
48:08
[SPEAKER_00]: which could be one of the key reasons as to why he was included in the aliens subject to begin with.
48:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, it makes sense if you're trying to create a biological weapon.
48:20
[SPEAKER_01]: What better biological weapon would be something that's not from this earth, that just devastates things on the surface.
48:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if it's true and there's no known cure or anything for this, you are, I mean, you have a
48:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You're opening Pandora's box.
48:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in the worst way, because I don't understand, oh, if you don't have a cure, but you have a virus, especially dependent on how it spreads.
49:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone in that position should be like, hey, dude, we could totally like, why about the planet, you know that, right?
49:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if we let this go, we could kill the planet.
49:14
[SPEAKER_00]: You may do not exist anymore.
49:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, it's the final, the final straw.
49:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a crazy fucking, I don't know, place to be a guess.
49:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But with the guy banster, you have a single man that is connected to MJ-12, the Kindleus assassination, crash, sawsers, and biological warfare operations.
49:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Another man that new guy banster was David Fieri.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was an investigator for banster and had ties to Clay Shaw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can also link him to Oswald as far back as the 50s.
49:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Fieri was known to have taken part in flying missions in and out of Cuba.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was also pointed out to being the one who flew out the real assassins of the Kennedy of Kennedy in Dallas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fieri actually died of weird circumstances before Jim Garrison who'd get in touch with him as a witness in the trial against Clay Shaw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have a Edward T. Haslam who wrote a book called Mary Fieri and the Monquivirus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It provides tons of knowledge on Fieri's cancer research, which is fucking crazy that Fieri
50:38
[SPEAKER_00]: and just so happened that he was flying missions to Cuba and his river to be flying out the real assassins of Kennedy.
50:49
[SPEAKER_01]: It's perfectly normal.
50:51
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not to me that there's this cancer research dude.
50:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also just flying planes.
50:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:56
[SPEAKER_00]: For basically CIA operations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's what it does in the spare time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When he's not creating cancers.
51:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:04
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in the
51:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But, like I said, the book provides tons of knowledge on cancer research, also an unpublished manuscript of Judith Vary, a woman who says she actually had an affair with Lee Harvey Oswald in the period leading up to the assassination.
51:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So Timothy Cooper had received another document from a retired CIA counterintelligence officer who worked for Jim Angelton from 1960 to 1974.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed put in in that in this document.
51:36
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a
51:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so in this document, I know it's put in here that this particular document that gets handed to Timothy Cooper, whoever wrote it spelled Angel 10 wrong.
52:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So they, and also with one of the other documents prior, the Timothy Cooper got Angel 10 has also spelled wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: people are pointing out that this is a high possibility of it being a hoax.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I would argue that if you're actively trying to create a hoax, you would go way out of your way to make sure everything is on the up and up.
52:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Furthermore, I think Steve, you probably with me on this,
52:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I know how to type.
52:36
[SPEAKER_00]: You know how to type, right?
52:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes when I type, I get ahead of myself and I miss Bill Awards.
52:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Now in today's world, we have autocorrect, which is a big help.
52:49
[SPEAKER_00]: But back then, they did not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Furthermore, they can't even delete like we can, because they're using typewriters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So once it hits the paper, it's there.
52:58
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to wipe it out.
53:05
[SPEAKER_01]: maybe dude couldn't spell good there's also that because if it's I'm curious as if to as if it was spelled wrong exactly the same in both of the yeah both of the letters or whatever
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[SPEAKER_01]: than he probably thought he was spilling it right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I even put it here.
53:24
[SPEAKER_00]: You get argue that spelling the name wrong is lack of knowledge.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
53:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I would argue that for some of us, we have, I know this is real for me.
53:35
[SPEAKER_00]: There are certain words that when I'm typing, I almost always spell it wrong.
53:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is my point that there are things that we do that you your brain thinks it's right but for some reason your fingers type it in a different order and I have that problem.
53:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Once again I'll know correct helps.
53:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways this new document says that he was tasked with going through this this um
54:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this retired CIA counterintelligence officer who worked for Jim.
54:16
[SPEAKER_00]: He says that he was tasked with going through Angel Sims MJ 12 files and to take inventory of those files.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Specifically, the one that link to JFK's murder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did and actually has some of those documents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says that he thinks it's fast approaching where these files will be be pried away and brought to light.
54:40
[SPEAKER_00]: He applauded Cooper's decision to work with Dr. Wood, one of the authors of this book.
54:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He says that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Wood and Cooper have unknowingly created a shitstorm, and Nixon's CEO ordered all MJ-12 documents destroyed because of what Cooper is leaking out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It says if you play your cards right, you should be able to make progress, but be very careful when you trust with this information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: even more so because the counter intelligence community has long paid attention to the civilian UFO research and is always keeping them busy.
55:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And I note at the end of the document, which is how many in the episode says, not everyone has good intentions.
55:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Watch your ass.
55:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So you got retired retired CIA guys that are like,
55:44
[SPEAKER_01]: doing good work here, but you need to be careful, but it's so, it's so crazy.
55:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Just just looking through stuff as you're mentioning it, I'm Googling.
56:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's almost like the shit runs so deep.
56:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it does.
56:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying I, I'll I'll bet you money.
56:10
[SPEAKER_00]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why we don't hear about this subject because it's so.
56:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You almost have to be like hyper meticulous when going through all these dotted lines and connections.
56:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.
56:27
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's all there.
56:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all there in abundance.
56:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just.
56:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like like you said it there's so much and on top of that, you're going to have a mass amount of people that are like UFO stuff, this is get out here.
56:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that part's not real.
56:46
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to deal with that.
56:49
[SPEAKER_01]: because if you It doesn't necessarily tie to viruses, but it could also tie to viruses after Kennedy was assassinated because Not long after that Bobby Kennedy was coming up through the ranks, you know, he was he was probably JFK's like most trusted advisor because this is a little brother right?
57:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And when he was getting primed up, it's possibly be the next president.
57:14
[SPEAKER_01]: There were tons of people in the UFO world from Nikap pushing him to have congressional hearings on UFOs in 1965, 1966, 1967.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: there were this says right here between 65 and 68 39 letters signed by Bobby Kennedy himself were sent out to constituents and UFO researchers across like across the United States.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the names that got letters from Kennedy, these, these were the ones reaching out to Bobby Kennedy saying, hey, let's look into this, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, it's crazy to me that in 60's, 5 and 66, they were wanting to have congressional hearings that we're having today, yeah, but what happened to Bobby Kennedy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But some of the names, uh, what do we got here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: John Keele wrote a letter to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, hey, let's look into this psychic Ted Owens wrote to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Terry Wilma, who is the son of Dan Wilma who saw the two saw the UFO right before it crashed in Roswell wrote to him and Kennedy responded
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's what I'm thinking and that and all these people right in letters heard about Kennedy's, you know, John's agenda, and they were like, oh, shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we definitely need to keep this ball going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it says the letters covered a period between 65 and 68 containing 39 letters signed by Kennedy himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Contact the letters include names contact he Wayne Ahho aviation journalist Don Burliner the Reverend Frank strangest John Kiel the author of the Mothman Prophecy's another UFO and 40 in books.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Psychic Ted Owens as well as Terry Wilmatt with an address to Roswell New Mexico.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was in fact the son of Dan Wilmatt who reported with his wife the UFO shaped quote like Two inverted saucers facing mouth the mouth in the night of July 2 shortly before the famous crash It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's nuts man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's nuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like it says now something that I saw coming and the fact that like
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[SPEAKER_01]: If, if the UFO was the reason, the UFO information and the viruses and everything surrounding it, fact that they're like, offing presidents because of it, but that and that and that almost
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I 100% believe they would clip a president because he's he's wanting to get on national television and go UFOs are real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I feel like there's more to that since no more to that statement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that can I feel like in order for that to happen or for that to take place, Kennedy would be willing to implicate MJ-12 and the CIA in something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which could very well be that, you know, hidden factions within our government, heart tinkering with alien biology and they're wanting to weaponize it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think there were, I think there were a lot of fingers in the cookie jar here, because you also have
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[SPEAKER_01]: aerospace companies like lock to the right bowing who are probably reverse engineering the technology for sure for sure who if Kennedy comes out and says yeah these things are real these guys are going to be like why are you saying this yeah and in the name of uh national defense or whatever the fuck they probably are like we got a we got a quite a sky up yeah I mean there's a lot of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Military Industrial Complex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Puppet masters, you know, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's a lot of from the reverse engineering and biologics standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a lot of power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You cornered a lot of money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You cornered those two, who's going to do anything to you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're going to think about it too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you, if you, which could be going to their head, like true psychopaths,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Steve, if we sit down and we can reverse engineer UFOs, we now utterly and devastatingly on the skies without mercy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then on top of that, if we can weaponize alien biology, it's 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No one, like literally, like think about the power grab there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 100% we could fucking fly this damn UFO in their airspace and just release alien bacteria all over them fucking wipe them off the planet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or if it or it could be the next the next step of the the power grab, you know, because back then you have to assume that the United States is reverse engineering stuff, China's reverse engineering stuff and Russia's reverse engineering stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, as far as flying saucer goes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of a race to see who gets their first almost like our race with AI right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but if.
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[SPEAKER_01]: America or any of those countries can get their hands on an alien virus biological weapon it don't matter how fast you UFO flies if everybody's fucking dead nobody can fly them that's true and maybe maybe we've seen maybe we are not only seen
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... examples of alien biological warfare on the planet maybe we have maybe we haven't but if we haven't i would argue it's highly plausible that like with nuclear weapons it hasn't seen a mass deployment because we truly don't have a cure for it
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I could see a psychopath being like, all right, we have the virus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now let's make a cure so we can fuck everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you don't come up with a cure, then you're going to be extremely hesitant on news.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't even be wrong though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would definitely be in the last case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arsenal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like your nukes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be Plansy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it would be a an almost system failure if like, you, oh Steve, you think you're going to pull a fast one on me and shoot all your warheads.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we'll guess what.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take this virus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a throw it out the window.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And let us mash on a can on a crate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though
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[SPEAKER_00]: it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if it's it's mutually assured destruction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's what it is because say say China or Russia got ahead got ahead of us in UFO reverse engineering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well that point we're fucked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you got one of the mechanics game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because technically you can escape a UFO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you ain't getting around some of these virus They're supposed to make it easy in the battlefield, but you ain't gonna have to have a battlefield if everybody's dying I knew cuz I wasn't gonna kill so many people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uncurable alien virus And with a hundred percent mortality rate is gonna kill everyone everyone Everybody yeah Crazy it is crazy
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[SPEAKER_01]: correct yes you do pop the top of the rabbit hole now my brain won't stop it's awesome it's awesome like I said it's awesome and I'm excited because
1:05:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm at least going to get one more chapter or one more episode out of this book because I know that it's a chapter in the book that is directly tied to an individual who worked at Area 51.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think in the book that's where all of this alien virus is kind of, I think I'm getting the bleed into the big story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the guy from area 50.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me wonder where we're at now compared to then since we are having congressional UFO hearings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do have a president on TV saying hey we're going to get to the bottom of whether or not UFOs are real because if this theory is true that's
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[SPEAKER_01]: really makes one of where the state of things are at now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they if they've recovered if they have alien viruses now that that you know they're they're dangling in front of other countries like keep I can see that and I could also see it would also make sense to me personally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we truly were on the edge of disclosure where the government is going to come out
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the only way that one way that happens is if we've already reversed and perfected the UFO.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it would be in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be a deterrent or an even the playing field situation where you're not coming out and being like, listen, there's these crazy ass things that are flying around the air.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can't stop them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can't shoot at them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're faster than anything we got.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if per se, you could say, listen, UFOs are real, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But guess what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've already reversed engineering them because they're not going to tell you that we've had since 1947.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to make it sound like the got one two weeks ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Reverse engineered it made or made it our own and now we've got an entire fleet of you folks in two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's it's always a dick swing in contests like that like real yeah we there there is information coming out now series I should say information use that term loosely that the new jersey drone incident.
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[SPEAKER_01]: was just China flexing on us and they can send their drones in, they can send them into, you know, military bases, they can send them into occupied air spaces and we're not going to do anything about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I 100% would have believed that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As repercussions for us shooting down all of the big ass balloons in 2021,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I, I would believe that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, hey, try it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why, that's why nobody, no, no military action was taken against the drones because they didn't want to, they didn't want to escalate it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because why the fuck didn't they just shoot these things down?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I would have, I want to give a fuck who it was soon as it was over an air force base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why the fuck not shoot it down?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd blow it up because they knew.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They knew I would give a shit if it was China.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be flipping it off as I said the missile at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, but we're not there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: True.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't fly drones to the to the Holla layer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know what's what happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got a fucking sweet ninja star.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can ask Kyle anything that flies over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm giving it to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely at least gets the finger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not that far fetched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a rather ripper, bud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one was a good one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I liked it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a president and you know about alien viruses, don't say anything about it because you saw what happened to JFK.
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[SPEAKER_01]: RFK.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do it.