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Carl Kerby: Get Your Life And Your Lips In Sync With God’s Truth · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Friends, family and Christ, thank you so very much for tuning in, watching listening,
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sharing the podcast.
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I realize we have more people that actually listen and download the podcast on whatever
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platforms those are that actually watch the video.
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So it's very interesting to me.
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We've been learning a lot, but praise God that we're growing and it's thanks to Him, of
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course, and you for your prayers.
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I want to jump in before we get to Carl Kirby's, our guest today, reasons for hope.
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Great to have him back.
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I'm looking forward to catching up with this dear brother.
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Got to mention exciting news.
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We have the schedule, the speaker schedule up on the conference website, worldviewmattersconference.com
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that's worldviewmattersconference.com May 1st and 2nd, Green Bay, Wisconsin.
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And it starts Friday, May 1st, doors open, 11.45 a.m. and there's a speaker every hour
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unless we're eating a meal.
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So if it's all up on the website, we'll talk more about that later.
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And right now, when I bring in my brother, the website are for h.com.
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That's reasons for hope.
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Our FORH.com and our good friend, Carl Kirby, is back with us after traveling and being
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so busy, debunking a lot of nonsense, Carl, good to see you, brother.
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Hey, Mr. David, what a blessing to be back, my friend.
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Yeah, good to catch up with you.
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I'm looking forward to hearing first about your recent travels and just what's on your
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heart.
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So you've been very, very busy and that's good thing for Christians.
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I guess Bible-believing Christians that we're busy doing God's work and I know you are.
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So tell us what you've been doing.
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Oh, my goodness.
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I've been all over the place just here recently.
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I've been in Alabama, been to Florida, been to...
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I can't even remember all the places because I just wake up and it's like, where am I?
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I don't even know half of the time.
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But a lot of it has been youth.
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Just very, very recently I was out in the seat of Rapids in Iowa and had a wonderful, wonderful
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time with young people out there up in your neck of the woods, actually Wisconsin Dells
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was up there with Academy of Excellence.
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We run their youth track and man we had three, four hundred young people at the youth
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track and what an encouragement.
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I tell you the one discouraging thing about all this, David, is that I'm having adults
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come up to me now and they're saying, I was in your session when I was like 1617 and
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now I'm bringing my kids to this and I'm like, hey, that's not right.
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So I've been doing this a long time getting old but man, what a blessing to be with this
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younger generation.
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So you've been posting, you know, sometimes you post things about your travel.
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It's very encouraging for me.
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I don't remember if that's on Facebook or Instagram but I follow you and see your posts.
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It is encouraging.
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One of the reasons Carl, maybe you can speak to this, is we see the direction of our youth
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or...
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Well, yeah, Gen Z, 2% or 1% biblical worldview or something like that, it's pretty scary
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but we know what the K through 12 indoctrination education system produces.
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I just used air quotes for those of you listening just to audio, air quotes around education
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system and we know what the culture produces, what Hollywood produces, what corporations,
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what, you know, they're putting out there, anything against the biblical worldview and
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against God.
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When I hear it, I see your pictures of young people gathered, filling up an auditorium
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and for these events that you're doing on creation, apologetics, that is really encouraging
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to me personally because I've been tracking this for decades and trying to find other
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than Charlie Kirkham, what he was, what he started reaching the youth, going to college
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campuses and some people are trying to get into the K through 12, tell us a little bit
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more about that and what you're seeing because a lot of people are seeing the rotten fruit
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of people that are hostile toward the biblical worldview.
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And that's a lot of it, there's no doubt about it.
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You know, it's interesting, you mentioned Charlie Kirk, I was blessed to do two conferences
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with him up in Wisconsin and there's no doubt in my mind that what happened to him has
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caused a definite movement in the younger generation to want to know more.
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The doors are open, I'm feeling this, I'm seeing this with the meetings that we're doing.
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There's an interest in things that just wasn't there before.
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Now they may not totally agree with you, may disagree, but here's the interesting thing
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that I'm finding is that in the course of the conversation, I may have conversations
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and it's not so much as an attack.
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You still have the attackers, you still have the mockers, those are there, right?
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But I'm finding more and more that there's a generation that's genuinely looking for
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open, honest, somebody that really believes in what they're saying and just to deliver
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it straight.
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We're seeing that big time in our camps, like if you go to Equipretreat.org, our camps,
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we're running six of them this year.
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This is the most we've ever done, David, this is the biggest year we've ever had in camps
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and three of them already sold out.
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The other three are first years, right?
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It's our first time and it typically takes about three years to get them established.
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So I can tell you that there is an interest, they're fired up, they're looking for something
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and you also mentioned Hollywood.
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Here's another thing that's exciting.
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I just spoke at the Christian World View Film Festival in Albany, Georgia at the Kendrick
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Brothers Church and was able to speak there and met a lot.
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I'm talking 20s and they're 20s.
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I'd say the vast majority when they're mid-28 at the most 20s, producing films now from
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a Christian perspective.
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So there is hope, there's excitement and Christians don't just look at all the negative stuff.
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There's a lot of good things going on and I think we should get fired up about it.
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Yeah, we are blessed to be in touch with Kevin and Sam Sorbo, they've been on the podcast
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and it's nice to see the younger generation get involved in such a dark industry.
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Let's just be honest since I don't know, maybe since it's inception, Hollywood, the movie
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industry, maybe they had a little innocence at first but oh my goodness, the devil can
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take anything good and ruin it.
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But anyway, you mentioned, was that in Georgia you were at?
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Yeah, nobody in Georgia, the Kendrick Brothers Church there and it was well attended.
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They had some films.
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It's really, I'll tell you one that I'm super excited to see is from a cold-order media.
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I went in and listened to the session, James Fitzgerald, I think is the guy who's a hit
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of that and they've got one coming out of documentary on AI.
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From what I saw, the trailer, I'm telling you right now, Christians, you need to be on
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the lookout for this thing because they had the big dogs, they interviewed the big dogs
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in there and it looked extremely, extremely interesting.
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So there's a lot of good stuff coming out and again, yes, it's an ugly one.
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Yes, there's a lot of negative stuff but I think that we, as Christians, can take what
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the world means for evil and turn it to good.
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And we can use these things or tools, don't run and hide from them, go after them and
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use them to teach and preach to a generation that just flat things different.
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Yes, yes, two things to follow up on a couple of things you mentioned.
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There's a great movie out right now, I'm going to it very soon, I'm going to see a great
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awakening.
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Have you seen that yet?
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No, I haven't.
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I've heard nothing but rave reviews from solid Bible, believe in Christians and pastors,
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a great awakening.
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It's now, it's now in theaters, friends, so hopefully you can get to that.
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And you said the great attendance for your, your events recently, I didn't mention at
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the beginning.
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We're putting on a conference May 1st and 2nd, the World View Matters Conference, Biblical
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Summit in Green Bay, 12 speakers, 15 sessions, two days.
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And we have about 30 tickets left actually.
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Wow.
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This air is going to be less, so we're very excited about that.
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I just want to put that out there for friends that are still kind of teetering, maybe wondering
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about whether you want to go or not.
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Well, we're hoping to maybe the hotel can fit in a couple more rows of chairs in the
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back.
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We're going to work on that.
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I just wanted to say that's encouraging.
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But here's another thing Carl, speak to this for a moment.
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After the assassination, assassination of Charlie Kirk, I have seen just almost like signs
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of revival, not just among youth.
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And adults that kind of went, okay, this is, I believe the same thing he does.
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Am I telling anybody, am I, my boldly standing for truth or the gospel because that's, he
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was killed for free speech in his Biblical worldview, what he believed, what he said.
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But here's the thing.
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A lot of young people that are turning to either God, a church opening up a Bible, seeking
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answers, we, a lot of them might not end up at the right destination.
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If they don't have someone in their life to guide them, they might end up at the wrong
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churches.
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There are some churches.
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And for those of you on audio listening, I'm putting churches and air quotes.
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There are some churches out there that are not, they do not hold the Biblical worldview.
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I wouldn't call them churches or the leaders pastors, unfortunately.
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So a lot of these young people that are open now, maybe to finding answers, boy, we've
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got to find ways to direct them to the right places, your thoughts, Carl.
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Oh, absolutely.
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And as you mentioned, it is not just the younger generation, because as a consequence of
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the younger ones getting fired up, that's having an impact on the older ones.
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Because I'm telling you, I've had a number of mature folk, I'm not going to call them
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old, mature folk, seasoned because I'm old, right?
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I've got the mature folk that have come up to me and said, I've never heard of this guy,
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but then my grandchild or my child's talking about him, and then I go watch his video.
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So it was an experience, like I said, to do those two conferences with him up in Wisconsin,
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we had dinner together.
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And a very, very interesting guy, very sharp guy, and what an ugly situation circumstance.
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But I think as you can attest to even in the midst of ugliness, even in the midst of brokenness,
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God can be glorified.
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And I think many times, especially in the midst of brokenness, God can take these broken,
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ugly, nasty things and do something amazing with them.
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My first book that I wrote was called Reasons for Hoping the Mosaic of Your Life, because
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I tell folks, we're all of our lives, you're like a mosaic.
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Every one of us.
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And when we start looking at our lives and things that have happened in the past, we can find
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all these broken pieces.
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Why this?
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Why this?
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Why that?
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And if you look at a mosaic, a big mosaic up close is just a bunch of broken pieces of rock.
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But then when you back up and get it in perspective so you can see the whole picture, it's amazing.
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Well, that's our life.
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Why this?
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Why would that happen to him?
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Why would this happen here?
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Why would this happen there?
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Get back.
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Get God's perspective.
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God will take those things that are meant for evil and turn them into something pretty
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amazing.
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And he's doing it.
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Okay, Carl Kirby.
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Let's talk about your shirt.
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And let's talk about the brand new debunked dinosaurs, disprove the Bible.
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And go ahead and tell us about it.
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Well, if you noticed the way that you even said that, we do this intentionally, dinosaurs,
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disprove the Bible, right?
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Because what we were doing initially when we were making the titles and the graphics
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to put up on the social media and all that, YouTube, we would put up there abortion is wrong,
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right?
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Abortion, the Bible says abortion is a sin, whatever it is, if you put it up like that, it goes
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nowhere.
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Yeah.
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But if I put it up there that, you know, God or the dinosaurs disprove the Bible debunked,
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right?
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Well, if I say the Bible talks about dinosaurs gone, it's not going to go anywhere.
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But if I reverse it and fill the debunked in there, it gets by the algorithm.
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So when you look at all of our titles, we have been chewed on so many times by brothers
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and sisters in the Lord who are well-meaning, your title is saying that it's okay.
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No, no, no, that's why we fill in the debunked afterwards.
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So what we did with the dinosaur one, because this has been a long one, this has been one
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of my passion ones, this is number 30, by the way, of our debunked series, is like, I've
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called dinosaurs missionary lizards.
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We live in a world that is been teaching a generation to look at the world through the
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lens of millions of years of death and suffering.
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That's a secular worldview.
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And if you try and take God and pour God on with the millions of years, you're really not
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doing Him, Justice, and you're not doing the evolutionary process, Justice, you're undermining
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both sides to be very honest with you and it doesn't fit with what we see in the world
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or with what we read in the word.
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So dinosaurs, I think, we can take and then say, look, you've been taught this.
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But now let's start with a different worldview.
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Let's start with the only one who's always been there who knows what happened, who told
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us what happened, who we can trust, and look at them through the lens of God's word.
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And when you do that, you are going to have completely, until the different answers
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in the world, but that's because you're starting point, not the evidence, the starting point
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is different.
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And when we start with God's word, we know more than what the world does.
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So don't be intimidated by it.
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Yeah.
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So I'm going to ask you a couple more questions about this particular one because as you said,
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the lies are more prevalent than the truth when it comes to this, than God's word.
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So did humans and dinosaurs live together?
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And if so, what happened?
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Yeah.
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Depends on who you're influenced by and what I find, unfortunately, as most Christians
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have been impacted more by Jurassic Park than Jesus.
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And so if you're a Jurassic Park mentality, you would say, no, dinosaurs died out 68,
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70 million years ago.
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So there's no way that man and dinosaur live together.
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You start with what the Bible says, God said, on day six, he created land dwelling, air
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breathing creatures, which, by the way, is what a dinosaur was.
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Or do not include the word dinosaur does not include the day five animals, the terror
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sores, the pleasy of sores, the flying and the swimming reptiles.
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Those are not dinosaurs in the strictest definition of the word.
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It's day six where God created land dwelling, air breathing animals alongside of man.
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Yes, man and dinosaur lived alongside of each other.
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When I go into the Bible, I look at Job, but there's a Hebrew word.
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There's no word dinosaur in there because it's a modern day word and it went in and
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until 1841.
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And the Bible was translated, you know, depending on which version, 1500, 1600, right?
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So you wouldn't find the word dinosaur in the Bible because it didn't exist.
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I tell folk, download the 1828 dictionary on the app store.
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It's free.
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Get the free version.
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Type in the word rocket, type in the word locomotive, type in the word computer.
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In an 1828 dictionary, you're going to get a definition, but you won't get one for
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the word dinosaur because it wasn't invented till 1841.
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But Hebrew, there is a word, tenene, that fits very well with dinosaur.
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Behemoth is another animal that we look at that is amazingly describing a sauropod dinosaur.
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And that is in Job and Job lived after the flood.
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So this is an animal that had to go on to the boat and then come off of the boat.
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What happened to them?
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Pretty simple.
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They died.
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We didn't start our extinction programs in time.
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What we see in the world around us today is animals going extinct, pre-flood world,
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post-flood world, two totally different environments.
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Things are breaking down and we just didn't start the extinction program in time.
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Good stuff.
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And friends, you can go to their YouTube channel Reasons for Hope and it's highlighted
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their dinosaurs, disproved the Bible.
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Maybe we can talk a little bit more about that because I'm just always fascinated by how
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they come up with millions or billions of years ago when they're narrating these history
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special.
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Carl, we got to take a brief pause right back on World View Matters.
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Every day it feels more and more urgent and I think if people are watching this or listening
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to this and you don't feel that urgency then you haven't quite woken up yet.
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It is urgent.
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I'm glad you mentioned that because right on the homepage of the website it says Redeem
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the Time.
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It says that the World View Matters Conference we hope to encourage and equip Christians
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to share the Gospel, speak the truth and stand boldly for the faith in this present
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cultural dorm.
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And it says expert speakers will tackle the most critical issues of our day with clarity
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and a sense of urgency.
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By the way friends, I didn't mention, I want to just get this in, Alex Newman will be kicking
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off the conference.
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These are very first speaker on Friday, May 1st, 1pm and both nights we're going to have
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a Q&A round table with the speakers like a panel where you can have pre-asked questions
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that you guys can fill out cards so it won't be live but we'll be doing it and all the speakers
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can answer your questions there each night Friday night and Saturday night back to Carl
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Kirby.
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So Carl is anything else you want to put a wrap this up in a bow of the dinosaurs and
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the Bible dinosaurs disproved the Bible but they really, they don't.
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So anything you want to wrap up as far as how people get years and how we believe the
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wrong sources or whatever, any points you made in there?
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Sure, I tell you one thing I'd say though, if you're not going to the conference you
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need to go, we can do nothing better with our time, this study the word of God and learn
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how to apply our faith in a world going crazy.
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Old views are very important so praise God you're doing that, Mr. David.
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As far as it comes to dinosaurs, yes, I think that what we need to do as Christians and
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some of us more mature folk is find unique and creative ways to reach a generation that
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thinks that the Bible is an old outdated book filled with fairy tales and fables, there's
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no truth, you got your truth, I got my truth, we all got our own truth.
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We need to find unique and creative ways to communicate truth so that they will understand
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and embrace it and dinosaurs are nothing more than a tool that allow me to take a conversation
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to go from, here's this bone, what's this bone got to do anything?
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Well, what's a bone?
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A bone's a dead thing.
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Well, how did we get death?
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Millions of years of death and suffering?
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No, there's a God who told us that what the wages of sin is is death and the consequences
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of death because we blew it.
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We rejected what God gave us, which was perfection.
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We thought we could do it better than God and we've destroyed the world that He gave us.
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So now I can take and start preaching the gospel from a bone, a dinosaur bone.
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So just get creative, find a way to communicate truth so that this generation will see that
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there's an application component of our faith.
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It's not just memorization, which is important, I'm not trying to diminish that, but we need
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the application component as well.
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How do we put feet to our faith in this world?
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We're indirectly referring to the principles of salt and light and Christians being vocal
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and influential and preserving influence.
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It's a light exposing the darkness, but pointing to Christ and the truth in culture that so
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many people have redefined truth.
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But anyway, Carl, it's going by a very fast day.
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You mentioned something about the gospel league.
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Tell us about that and tell us about this new comic book curriculum.
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Yeah, that's something that I've been working on.
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It's been a dream for a long time.
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I'm an old, I'm going to admit it, I'm an old comic book guy, right?
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Marvel DC folk get over it.
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But I was an old Marvel guy, but one DC character that always stuck out to me was Batman
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because of 1966 Batman.
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So I've actually recorded a class for our Equip U, YOU.
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We have online classes and I did a biblical principle found in Batman.
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They call it Behind the Mask on this class where we go in and use the old clip from Batman,
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but then apply the Bible application component.
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Well, I've wanted to do the comic book forever.
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So the thing that struck my mind was you had the old justice league, right?
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You had all the different characters that came together and they each had their strengths
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and weaknesses.
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Well, so do we, as Christians.
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And our motto when it comes to our faith is that we need to know it, live it, share it.
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Because you can have answers and be worthless.
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Because if your life and your lips aren't in sync, worthless hypocrisy.
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But guess what?
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You could have answers and live a great life and still be worthless.
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Because if you never get to the point where you just share Jesus with people,
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it's not an argument that they're going to win anybody into the kingdom.
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It's the word of God.
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So we need to share it.
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So I created this gospel league in his three characters.
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One is a Noah component, one's a living, one's a shared.
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First comic is done.
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It's Captain Creed and he is the Noah guy.
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He's the guy that's a former Navy seal in the war, raised in the church,
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but he's gone.
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He doesn't know and he'd never really embraced it.
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Just did the works and through a series of circumstances,
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he gets called back into it and introduced to the other two characters.
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And so the first session, we're going to deal with evil.
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God will never give us more than we can handle.
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Yeah, right.
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That's not difficult.
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So we're going to deal with all those types of issues in a comic book
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that then is leading to a curriculum.
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So the curriculum is written.
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I'm getting ready to record the video sessions on it,
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because I just want youth leaders to take it and use it.
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So it's a new project that Lord Willie and I hope will be out in about a month or so.
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Praise God for that.
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That sounds really neat.
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And by the way, Mark Archer fearless features.
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He loves Batman.
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He loves, he loves anyway.
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I just thought I'd throw that in there.
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So you also mentioned Carl that you're going to be doing a tours
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at the Chicago Field Museum.
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Yeah.
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Did I understand that right?
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Yeah, that's, that's what the Academy of Excellence again.
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I don't know that that's open to the general public.
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I think they've already sold it out.
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We've done this.
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I think this is the third time.
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And what we do is we rent the theater.
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And this is a beautiful theater brother.
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I mean, that projector is like a laser beam.
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You don't want to stand in front of it.
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You're going to get suntan or sunburnt real quick, right?
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And it is beautiful.
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The stadium stadium.
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We go in there.
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We teach.
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And then we send the people out and they go through the exhibits
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in the Chicago Field Museum with specific assignments
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to find information and to do certain things.
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One of the, one of the things that I'll teach the people that come.
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It's not even young people that's families that are coming.
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Is, okay, you go stand by the elephant and look at these design
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features on the elephant and parents.
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Teach your children this, this, this, this, this.
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Because what's going to happen is that there are other people
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that are going through on their exhibits.
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They're going to hear you.
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They're going to overhear you teaching on those exhibits.
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And so we do that with various exhibits.
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Teach them how to teach.
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This is what the world says.
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Here's what the word of God says.
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Here's what we actually see.
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So it's again, the application component.
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Everything that I'm trying to do is put in feet to the faith
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showing how to apply our faith in real world.
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And Chicago Field Museum as well as any other museum on this planet.
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Look, I was with the creation museum.
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That was my job to raise the funds to build the thing.
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Love it.
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Nothing negative about it.
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But I'll tell you this.
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Every museum on this planet can become a creation museum.
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When you learn how to take the word of God in there and apply your faith,
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let them teach what they're teaching.
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This is what they say.
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This is what God says.
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Here's what we actually see.
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It's wonderful ministry.
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Awesome.
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So we only have less than four minutes left.
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And you have a podcast.
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Is it called debunked files and tell us about that?
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Yep, that's the debunked files.
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And we're going to be reversing the roles here pretty soon with you.
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You're going to be our guests.
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And I'm going to get to ask you questions and talk about it.
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Uh-oh.
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Yep.
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And it is.
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It's called the debunked files.
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And you can find it on all the social media type things.
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But yeah, we, I think we just recently interviewed David Limbaugh.
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That guy's a hoot.
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Oh, he's amazing.
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He's a hoot.
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I had a blast with him.
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He was fun.
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We had to nest a suzer on.
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Uh, we've had, we've had, it's been very interesting.
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J. Warner Wallace, uh, we're trying to least trouble.
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He, he, he keeps teasing.
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Hopefully we're going to get him on, but we've got a variety of people
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that we get on there and just have conversations with him.
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And that's what I'm looking forward to having you on as well.
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Well, you've had some heavy hitters.
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So I'll try to measure up and not disappoint.
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But, um, something you said earlier in the podcast,
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I might just title this one.
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I'd really like, um, get your life and your lips in sync.
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Yes.
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Because our, our lives have to back up our talk, our faith.
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When we speak it, if there's enough hypocrisy out there on both sides,
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believers and unbelievers, but there's enough hypocrisy.
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I mean, probably in everybody's life at some point in time,
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but let's just face it.
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So yeah, getting, getting that all in sync.
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What does it take for a Bible-believing Christian other than
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studying the word of God daily, at least reading?
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What else does it take, Carl, to just get that and then cross that bridge
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to make that application from what you believe in your heart
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and what you're speaking.
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You're testifying to your faith in Christ and the truth of the Bible
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and then live it out in your life.
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Well, good resources.
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I think conferences like what you've got going on,
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your worldview conference, your podcast, people watching those types of things,
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our website, our app.
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I would encourage people to take a look at our app.
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Just look for R-F-O-R-H, R for H.
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And look for that.
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There's a lot of material up on there.
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But I'll tell you the other thing that I really know that I need are
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brothers and sisters in the Lord who are going to hold my feet to the fire.
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I know that I'm going to get asked questions when I say certain things.
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People aren't going to just, yes, man, me, they're going to,
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they're going to, Carl, hold up.
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You said this, but what about what about?
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We need that.
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Every person on this planet needs fellow believers,
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good, solid believers that are going to hold us accountable and challenge us
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to grow beyond what we feel like we can even do.
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And so get into the word, yes, get some good resources,
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but get a team around you.
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And I mean, it's truly a team of fellow believers.
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Good church as well.
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You need that.
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But I tell you, even that some of the people that are holding me accountable
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aren't, they don't go to my church,
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but they're good, solid brothers and sisters in the Lord.
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They're going to challenge us.
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And I would encourage folks to look for that.
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Thank you for mentioning accountability again.
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We don't talk much about that.
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And it's so important.
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And then to be have fellowship with like-minded,
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Bible-believing brothers and sisters,
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that is so important because isolation is not good for a Christian.
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And the app, thank you for reminding us about the app.
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I've got it on my phone.
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So look up, friends, R for H, that's R-F-O-R-H.com.
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Look up their app.
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Carl Kirby, thank you so much.
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It went by fast.
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We'll do it again soon, Lord willing.
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Thank you, brother.
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God bless you, friends.
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And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.
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We will see you next time.