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Embracing Change in Creative Endeavors · Music Explored Podcast

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  You
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  could
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  be
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  this
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  in
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  love,
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  or
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  you
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  could
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  love
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  something
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  this
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  much,
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  and
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  at
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  no
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  point
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  does
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  it
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  turn
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  bad.
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  And,
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  like,
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  what
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  an
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  incredible
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  thing,
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  you
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  know?
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  So,
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  you
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  know,
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  me
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  personally,
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  I've
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  just
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  been
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  making
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  music
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  a
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  long
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  time.
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  I
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  started
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  making
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  this
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  album
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  2016.
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  It's
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  an
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  album
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  called
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  if
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  in
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  case
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  youe
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  Feel
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  the
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  Same.
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  If
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  you
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  get
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  a
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  copy
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  of
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  the
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  album
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  in
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  the
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  middle
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  of
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  it,
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  we
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  wanted
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  to
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  have
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  a
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  mirror
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  there,
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  but
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  the
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  label
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  was
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  like,
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  it's
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  gonna
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  be
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  too
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  expensive,
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  and
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  we
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  can't
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  do
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  it.
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  And
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  that
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  does.
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  And
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  I
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  don't
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  believe.
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  I
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  don't
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  believe
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  it's
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  too
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  expensive.
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  What
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  I
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  hear
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  is,
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  we
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  don't
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  want
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  to
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  do
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  it.
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  But
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  nonetheless,
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  they
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  put
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  this,
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  you
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  know,
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  sticker
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  that's
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  supposed
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  to
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  mimic
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  a
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  mirror.
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  And
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  the
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  whole
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  idea
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  is
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  that
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  as
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  soon
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  as
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  people
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  looked
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  at
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  it,
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  they
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  could
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  see
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  themselves
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  in
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  it
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  and
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  it
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  becomes
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  interactive.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  so,
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  you
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  know,
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  I
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  started
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  making
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  it
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  2016,
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  finished
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  it
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  in
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  2018.
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  So
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  it's.
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  It
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  had
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  been
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  done
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  for
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  two
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  years,
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  a
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  year
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  and
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  a
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  half,
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  before
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  it
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  came
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  out.
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  And
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  the
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  label
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  kept
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  asking
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  me,
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  you
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  know,
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  like,
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  can
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  we
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  push
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  it
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  back?
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  Can
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  we
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  push
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  it
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  back?
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  I'm
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  not
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  really
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  a
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  patient
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  person.
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  I
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  think
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  the
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  way.
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  The
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  way
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  forward
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  is
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  kind
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  of
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  always
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  the
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  way,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  if
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  something
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  is
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  supposed
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  to
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  be
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  in
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  your
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  life
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  that
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  was
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  left
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  behind,
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  I
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  trust
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  that
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  it
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  will
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  show
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  back
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  up
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  again.
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  That's
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  interesting.
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  I
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  totally
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  understand
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  what
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  you're
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  saying.
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  And
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  so,
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  you
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  know,
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  we
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  put
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  this
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  out.
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  They
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  kept
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  asking,
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  you
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  know,
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  push
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  it
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  back,
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  Push
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  back.
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  And
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  okay.
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  Finally,
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  give
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  me
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  a
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  date.
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  We're
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  not
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  moving
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  it,
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  or
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  we
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  are
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  not
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  moving
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  this
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  the
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  date.
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  And
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  we
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  had
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  picked
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  June
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  26
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  as
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  the
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  date.
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  And
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  wildly
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  enough,
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  we
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  didn't
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  know
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  it
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  at
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  the
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  time,
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  but
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  it
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  was
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  gonna
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  be
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  in
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  the
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  middle
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  of
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  a
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  pandemic.
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  Right.
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  And,
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  you
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  know,
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  when
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  I
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  was,
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  you
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  know.
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  So
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  when
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  we
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  found
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  out
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  that
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  it
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  was
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  gonna
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  be
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  coming
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  out
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  in
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  the
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  middle
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  of
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  the
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  pandemic,
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  you
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  know,
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  the
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  label
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  was
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  like,
• 2:07
  I
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  think
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  we
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  should
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  push
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  it
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  back.
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  And
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  the
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  label
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  manager
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  was
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  like,
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  I
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  don't
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  know
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  that.
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  You
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  know,
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  And
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  no.
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  this
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  album's
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  looking
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  for
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  a
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  fight,
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  and
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  it
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  has
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  one,
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  so
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  we'll
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  get
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  out,
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  you
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  know?
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  Yeah.
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  And.
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  And
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  it
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  did
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  really
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  good
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  for
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  a
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  couple
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  months.
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  Like,
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  the
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  people
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  that,
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  like,
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  love
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  my
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  music,
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  that
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  have
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  been
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  with
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  me
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  on
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  my
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  journey,
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  they're,
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  like,
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  excessive
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  fans.
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  They're
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  not,
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  like,
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  passive.
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  Like,
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  you
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  know,
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  I
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  have
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  a
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  couple
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  albums
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  that
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  when
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  people.
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  When
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  I'm
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  out
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  and
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  about
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  and
• 2:34
  like,
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  hey,
• 2:35
  can
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  I
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  talk
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  to
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  you?
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  About
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  to
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  be
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  loved.
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  It
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  isn't
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  like,
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  yo,
• 2:39
  I
• 2:39
  like
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  that
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  song.
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  They
• 2:40
  want
• 2:40
  to
• 2:40
  sit
• 2:40
  down
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  and
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  have,
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  like,
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  a
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  long,
• 2:43
  deep
• 2:44
  conversation
• 2:44
  about
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  it,
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  you
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  know,
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  because
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  it's.
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  It's
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  really
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  meant
• 2:47
  something
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  to
• 2:47
  them,
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  which
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  is,
• 2:48
  like,
• 2:48
  such
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  a
• 2:49
  gift.
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  Yeah.
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  But,
• 2:52
  you
• 2:52
  know,
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  it
• 2:54
  hasn't
• 2:54
  really
• 2:54
  broken
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  through
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  to
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  get
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  to
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  the
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  other
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  side
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  of
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  the
• 2:57
  echo
• 2:57
  chamber,
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  really.
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  Right,
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  right.
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  And
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  so,
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  you
• 3:01
  know,
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  at
• 3:02
  the
• 3:02
  beginning
• 3:02
  of
• 3:02
  the
• 3:02
  year,
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  what
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  makes
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  this
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  so
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  interesting
• 3:05
  is
• 3:05
  beginning
• 3:05
  of
• 3:06
  the
• 3:06
  year,
• 3:06
  like,
• 3:06
  I
• 3:06
  had
• 3:06
  made
• 3:07
  a
• 3:07
  lot
• 3:07
  of
• 3:07
  music
• 3:08
  over
• 3:08
  the
• 3:08
  lockdown
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  and
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  January
• 3:12
  3rd,
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  I'm
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  writing
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  down
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  my
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  goals
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  and
• 3:14
  intentions
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  for
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  the
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  year,
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  and
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  one
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  of
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  them
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  is
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  to
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  look
• 3:20
  for
• 3:20
  a
• 3:20
  new
• 3:20
  career.
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  And
• 3:23
  it
• 3:24
  didn't
• 3:24
  mean
• 3:24
  that
• 3:24
  I
• 3:24
  was
• 3:25
  quitting.
• 3:25
  What
• 3:25
  it
• 3:26
  meant
• 3:26
  was
• 3:26
  I
• 3:26
  was
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  finally,
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  ultimately,
• 3:30
  whenever
• 3:30
  you're
• 3:30
  making
• 3:31
  art,
• 3:31
  whether
• 3:31
  people
• 3:31
  believe
• 3:32
  it
• 3:32
  or
• 3:32
  not,
• 3:32
  you're
• 3:33
  signing
• 3:33
  up
• 3:33
  for
• 3:33
  a
• 3:34
  conversation,
• 3:35
  Right?
• 3:35
  Yeah.
• 3:36
  And.
• 3:36
  And
• 3:36
  a
• 3:36
  lot
• 3:37
  of
• 3:37
  times
• 3:37
  artists
• 3:38
  don't
• 3:41
  think
• 3:41
  that
• 3:42
  way.
• 3:42
  They
• 3:42
  think
• 3:43
  that
• 3:43
  it's
• 3:43
  all
• 3:44
  about
• 3:44
  themselves.
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  But
• 3:47
  none
• 3:48
  of
• 3:48
  my.
• 3:48
  None
• 3:48
  of
• 3:49
  my
• 3:49
  favorite
• 3:49
  songwriters
• 3:50
  have
• 3:51
  ever
• 3:51
  taken
• 3:52
  any
• 3:52
  credit
• 3:52
  for
• 3:53
  the
• 3:53
  songs
• 3:53
  they've
• 3:53
  written.
• 3:54
  They've
• 3:54
  all
• 3:54
  said
• 3:55
  it
• 3:55
  just
• 3:55
  came
• 3:55
  to
• 3:55
  me.
• 3:56
  Right.
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  And
• 3:59
  the
• 3:59
  ones
• 3:59
  that,
• 3:59
  like,
• 4:00
  really
• 4:00
  inspire
• 4:01
  me,
• 4:02
  there's
• 4:03
  some
• 4:03
  sense
• 4:04
  of
• 4:04
  service
• 4:04
  that
• 4:05
  comes
• 4:05
  to
• 4:05
  it,
• 4:06
  you
• 4:06
  know,
• 4:06
  like
• 4:07
  when
• 4:07
  I
• 4:07
  listen
• 4:07
  to
• 4:07
  Stevie
• 4:08
  Wonder
• 4:08
  records,
• 4:10
  he
• 4:11
  was
• 4:11
  trying
• 4:12
  to
• 4:13
  capture
• 4:13
  people.
• 4:14
  People's
• 4:15
  imagination
• 4:16
  with
• 4:17
  the
• 4:17
  wonder
• 4:18
  of
• 4:18
  God.
• 4:19
  And
• 4:19
  I
• 4:19
  mean,
• 4:19
  God,
• 4:20
  like,
• 4:20
  however
• 4:21
  you
• 4:21
  want
• 4:21
  to
• 4:21
  define
• 4:22
  God.
• 4:25
  I
• 4:25
  mean,
• 4:25
  you
• 4:25
  can't
• 4:25
  listen
• 4:26
  to
• 4:27
  songs
• 4:27
  in
• 4:27
  the
• 4:28
  key
• 4:28
  of
• 4:28
  life
• 4:28
  and
• 4:29
  those.
• 4:30
  I
• 4:30
  mean,
• 4:32
  I
• 4:32
  think
• 4:32
  he
• 4:33
  was
• 4:33
  trying
• 4:33
  to
• 4:33
  be
• 4:33
  a
• 4:33
  middleman
• 4:34
  between
• 4:40
  everyone's
• 4:41
  higher
• 4:41
  power
• 4:43
  and
• 4:43
  people
• 4:44
  on
• 4:44
  Earth.
• 4:45
  Right.
• 4:46
  You
• 4:46
  know
• 4:46
  what
• 4:46
  I
• 4:46
  mean?
• 4:48
  I
• 4:48
  think
• 4:48
  he
• 4:48
  was
• 4:49
  trying
• 4:49
  to
• 4:49
  get
• 4:49
  as
• 4:49
  close
• 4:50
  to
• 4:50
  God,
• 4:51
  but
• 4:51
  not
• 4:51
  so
• 4:51
  far
• 4:52
  away
• 4:52
  from
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  people
• 4:53
  that
• 4:53
  it
• 4:53
  wouldn't
• 4:54
  translate
• 4:55
  back
• 4:55
  to
• 4:55
  those
• 4:55
  who
• 4:55
  he
• 4:56
  was
• 4:56
  trying
• 4:56
  to
• 4:56
  lead.
• 4:56
  Which
• 4:57
  is
• 4:57
  mind
• 4:57
  blowing.
• 4:58
  Right?
• 4:58
  Right.
• 4:58
  Yeah.
• 4:59
  And
• 4:59
  so,
• 5:00
  you
• 5:00
  know,
• 5:00
  I
• 5:00
  know
• 5:01
  this
• 5:01
  is
• 5:01
  like,
• 5:01
  I'm
• 5:01
  just.
• 5:02
  I
• 5:03
  don't
• 5:03
  riffing.
• 5:04
  But
• 5:05
  the
• 5:05
  thing
• 5:05
  that's
• 5:06
  interesting
• 5:06
  is,
• 5:07
  is
• 5:08
  when
• 5:08
  I
• 5:08
  wrote
• 5:09
  this
• 5:09
  down,
• 5:10
  like,
• 5:10
  look
• 5:11
  for
• 5:11
  a
• 5:11
  new
• 5:11
  career.
• 5:11
  It
• 5:12
  was
• 5:12
  me
• 5:12
  really
• 5:12
  surrendering,
• 5:13
  like,
• 5:13
  hey,
• 5:13
  I
• 5:14
  might.
• 5:14
  I'm
• 5:14
  like,
• 5:14
  maybe
• 5:15
  I've
• 5:15
  done
• 5:15
  my
• 5:15
  part
• 5:15
  here.
• 5:16
  There's
• 5:16
  other
• 5:16
  things
• 5:16
  I
• 5:17
  enjoy
• 5:18
  and
• 5:19
  I
• 5:20
  can
• 5:20
  go
• 5:20
  on
• 5:21
  and,
• 5:21
  you
• 5:21
  know,
• 5:22
  do
• 5:22
  something
• 5:22
  else.
• 5:23
  Yeah,
• 5:23
  yeah,
• 5:24
  send
• 5:24
  it
• 5:24
  to.
• 5:25
  I
• 5:25
  wrote
• 5:26
  kind
• 5:26
  of
• 5:26
  a
• 5:26
  long
• 5:26
  list
• 5:27
  of
• 5:27
  things
• 5:28
  to
• 5:28
  do
• 5:28
  for
• 5:28
  my
• 5:29
  management
• 5:29
  the
• 5:30
  next
• 5:30
  day.
• 5:30
  Like,
• 5:31
  a
• 5:31
  lot.
• 5:32
  And
• 5:34
  honestly,
• 5:35
  I
• 5:35
  was
• 5:36
  thinking
• 5:38
  this
• 5:38
  might
• 5:39
  be
• 5:39
  where
• 5:39
  they're
• 5:39
  like,
• 5:40
  okay,
• 5:42
  peace.
• 5:42
  See
• 5:43
  you
• 5:43
  later.
• 5:43
  See
• 5:43
  ya.
• 5:44
  Yeah.
• 5:47
  And
• 5:47
  Jimmy
• 5:49
  called,
• 5:50
  and
• 5:50
  they
• 5:50
  called
• 5:50
  me
• 5:51
  back,
• 5:51
  like,
• 5:51
  three
• 5:51
  hours
• 5:52
  Later.
• 5:52
  And
• 5:52
  they're
• 5:52
  like,
• 5:52
  hey,
• 5:54
  can
• 5:54
  we
• 5:54
  all
• 5:55
  jump
• 5:55
  on
• 5:55
  the
• 5:55
  phone?
• 5:55
  I'm
• 5:55
  like,
• 5:56
  sure.
• 5:56
  They're
• 5:56
  like,
• 5:57
  we're
• 5:57
  not
• 5:57
  at,
• 5:57
  you
• 5:57
  know,
• 5:57
  I
• 5:58
  get
• 5:58
  on
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  phone,
• 5:58
  they're
• 5:58
  like,
• 5:58
  we
• 5:58
  don't
• 5:59
  want
• 5:59
  to
• 5:59
  talk
• 5:59
  about
• 5:59
  the
• 5:59
  list
• 6:00
  of
• 6:01
  things
• 6:01
  to
• 6:01
  do.
• 6:02
  Yeah,
• 6:02
  yeah,
• 6:02
  yeah.
• 6:03
  Like,
• 6:03
  okay.
• 6:04
  And
• 6:04
  they're
• 6:04
  like,
• 6:05
  jimmy
• 6:06
  Fallon
• 6:06
  heard
• 6:06
  your
• 6:06
  song
• 6:07
  and
• 6:07
  it's
• 6:08
  become
• 6:08
  like
• 6:08
  his
• 6:08
  anthem
• 6:09
  and
• 6:11
  crazy.
• 6:12
  And
• 6:12
  they
• 6:12
  want
• 6:13
  you
• 6:13
  to
• 6:13
  come.
• 6:13
  You're
• 6:14
  going
• 6:14
  on
• 6:14
  the
• 6:14
  Tonight
• 6:15
  show
• 6:15
  on
• 6:16
  the
• 6:16
  26th,
• 6:18
  and
• 6:18
  the
• 6:19
  Roots
• 6:19
  are
• 6:19
  going
• 6:19
  to
• 6:19
  be
• 6:19
  your
• 6:19
  band.
• 6:20
  It's
• 6:20
  like
• 6:20
  weeks
• 6:20
  away.
• 6:21
  That's
• 6:21
  crazy.
• 6:22
  Do
• 6:22
  you
• 6:22
  remember
• 6:22
  how
• 6:23
  you
• 6:23
  felt
• 6:23
  when
• 6:23
  that,
• 6:24
  that
• 6:24
  call
• 6:24
  came
• 6:24
  in?
• 6:25
  It
• 6:25
  was
• 6:25
  yesterday.
• 6:26
  I
• 6:26
  mean,
• 6:26
  like,
• 6:26
  it
• 6:26
  was
• 6:26
  today.
• 6:27
  Like,
• 6:27
  there's.
• 6:28
  Yeah,
• 6:28
  I
• 6:28
  don't.
• 6:29
  I
• 6:29
  don't
• 6:29
  think.
• 6:30
  I
• 6:30
  don't
• 6:30
  think
• 6:31
  you
• 6:31
  can.
• 6:31
  I
• 6:32
  mean,
• 6:32
  it
• 6:32
  was
• 6:32
  such
• 6:32
  a
• 6:32
  true
• 6:33
  place
• 6:33
  of,
• 6:34
  like,
• 6:34
  there
• 6:34
  was
• 6:35
  no
• 6:35
  reluctance
• 6:35
  in
• 6:36
  my
• 6:36
  surrender.
• 6:37
  Right,
• 6:37
  Right.
• 6:38
  It
• 6:39
  was
• 6:39
  like,
• 6:39
  truly,
• 6:39
  like,
• 6:40
  okay.
• 6:41
  Like,
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  think
• 6:45
  I'm
• 6:45
  going
• 6:45
  to
• 6:46
  truly,
• 6:48
  like,
• 6:48
  think
• 6:49
  about
• 6:49
  what's
• 6:50
  next.
• 6:50
  Right.
• 6:51
  It
• 6:51
  doesn't
• 6:52
  mean
• 6:52
  that
• 6:52
  I,
• 6:52
  like,
• 6:53
  listen,
• 6:53
  the
• 6:53
  only
• 6:53
  job
• 6:54
  I've
• 6:54
  ever
• 6:54
  wanted
• 6:54
  is
• 6:54
  to
• 6:55
  make
• 6:55
  music.
• 6:56
  And
• 6:57
  it's
• 6:57
  the
• 6:57
  only
• 6:57
  job
• 6:57
  I've
• 6:58
  ever.
• 6:58
  And
• 6:58
  I've
• 6:58
  treated
• 6:59
  it
• 6:59
  as
• 6:59
  such,
• 6:59
  you
• 7:00
  know,
• 7:00
  I've
• 7:00
  treated
• 7:00
  it
• 7:00
  like
• 7:01
  it's
• 7:01
  the
• 7:01
  only
• 7:01
  job
• 7:02
  I
• 7:02
  have.
• 7:03
  And.
• 7:05
  But,
• 7:05
  you
• 7:05
  know,
• 7:06
  so
• 7:06
  when
• 7:06
  I
• 7:06
  got
• 7:06
  it,
• 7:07
  yeah,
• 7:07
  I.
• 7:09
  The.
• 7:13
  The
• 7:13
  place
• 7:13
  of,
• 7:14
  like,
• 7:14
  where
• 7:14
  you're
• 7:15
  at
• 7:17
  to
• 7:17
  let
• 7:18
  something
• 7:19
  that
• 7:19
  is
• 7:20
  so
• 7:20
  significant
• 7:21
  to
• 7:21
  you
• 7:22
  go.
• 7:23
  And
• 7:24
  then
• 7:24
  the
• 7:24
  next
• 7:24
  day
• 7:24
  you
• 7:25
  get
• 7:25
  a
• 7:25
  phone
• 7:25
  call
• 7:27
  that,
• 7:28
  you
• 7:28
  know,
• 7:28
  Jimmy
• 7:29
  has
• 7:29
  been
• 7:30
  jamming
• 7:30
  to
• 7:31
  your
• 7:31
  song
• 7:31
  before
• 7:31
  I
• 7:32
  knew
• 7:32
  it.
• 7:32
  Right.
• 7:33
  So
• 7:33
  let
• 7:34
  that
• 7:34
  be
• 7:34
  encouraging
• 7:35
  to
• 7:35
  people
• 7:35
  because
• 7:36
  you
• 7:36
  don't
• 7:37
  know
• 7:38
  who
• 7:38
  your
• 7:39
  songs
• 7:40
  are
• 7:40
  being
• 7:40
  listened
• 7:41
  to,
• 7:41
  like,
• 7:41
  who's
• 7:42
  listening
• 7:42
  to
• 7:42
  them.
• 7:43
  And
• 7:44
  it's
• 7:45
  huge.
• 7:45
  And
• 7:45
  I
• 7:46
  think,
• 7:46
  you
• 7:46
  know,
• 7:49
  it
• 7:49
  was
• 7:50
  certainly
• 7:52
  life
• 7:52
  changing,
• 7:53
  but
• 7:53
  playing
• 7:54
  on
• 7:54
  late
• 7:54
  night
• 7:54
  shows,
• 7:55
  I've
• 7:55
  had
• 7:55
  a
• 7:55
  lot
• 7:55
  of
• 7:55
  friends
• 7:55
  that
• 7:56
  do
• 7:56
  it,
• 7:56
  and
• 7:56
  it
• 7:56
  doesn't
• 7:57
  really.
• 7:57
  Sometimes
• 7:58
  people
• 7:58
  think
• 7:59
  that,
• 7:59
  like,
• 7:59
  it
• 7:59
  moves
• 8:00
  the
• 8:00
  needle,
• 8:00
  and
• 8:00
  a
• 8:00
  lot
• 8:01
  of
• 8:01
  times.
• 8:01
  It
• 8:02
  really
• 8:02
  doesn't,
• 8:03
  especially
• 8:03
  these
• 8:03
  days.
• 8:04
  These
• 8:04
  days.
• 8:05
  Right.
• 8:05
  People
• 8:05
  go
• 8:05
  on
• 8:06
  there
• 8:06
  and
• 8:06
  play
• 8:06
  and
• 8:07
  it's
• 8:07
  a
• 8:07
  really
• 8:08
  cool,
• 8:08
  like,
• 8:09
  bragging
• 8:10
  point
• 8:10
  or
• 8:10
  something,
• 8:11
  but
• 8:11
  it
• 8:11
  doesn't
• 8:12
  really,
• 8:12
  like,
• 8:14
  change
• 8:14
  someone's
• 8:15
  career,
• 8:16
  you
• 8:16
  know,
• 8:16
  like,
• 8:17
  like.
• 8:18
  And
• 8:19
  you
• 8:19
  know,
• 8:19
  what
• 8:19
  this
• 8:20
  story
• 8:20
  has
• 8:20
  done,
• 8:20
  and
• 8:21
  it's
• 8:21
  really
• 8:21
  all
• 8:21
  credit
• 8:22
  to
• 8:22
  Jimmy.
• 8:23
  What
• 8:23
  he's
• 8:23
  done
• 8:25
  is
• 8:26
  he's
• 8:27
  made
• 8:27
  it
• 8:27
  something
• 8:28
  much
• 8:29
  bigger
• 8:29
  than
• 8:30
  that,
• 8:31
  you
• 8:31
  know?
• 8:33
  Yeah.
• 8:34
  The
• 8:34
  story
• 8:34
  is
• 8:35
  incredible,
• 8:35
  though,
• 8:35
  because,
• 8:35
  I
• 8:35
  mean,
• 8:36
  you
• 8:36
  come
• 8:36
  from.
• 8:37
  And
• 8:37
  it
• 8:37
  happened
• 8:38
  in
• 8:38
  such
• 8:38
  a
• 8:38
  short
• 8:39
  span
• 8:39
  of
• 8:39
  time
• 8:40
  too.
• 8:40
  Right.
• 8:41
  Like,
• 8:41
  one
• 8:41
  day
• 8:41
  you're
• 8:42
  saying,
• 8:42
  okay,
• 8:42
  I'm
• 8:43
  ready
• 8:43
  to
• 8:43
  move
• 8:43
  on
• 8:43
  to
• 8:43
  something
• 8:44
  else.
• 8:44
  And
• 8:45
  this
• 8:45
  isn't
• 8:45
  just
• 8:45
  like,
• 8:46
  I
• 8:46
  give
• 8:46
  up.
• 8:46
  This
• 8:46
  sucks.
• 8:47
  This
• 8:47
  is
• 8:47
  like.
• 8:48
  It
• 8:48
  sounds
• 8:48
  like
• 8:49
  you're
• 8:49
  at
• 8:49
  peace
• 8:49
  with
• 8:49
  this
• 8:50
  decision.
• 8:50
  Yeah.
• 8:51
  You
• 8:51
  come
• 8:51
  into
• 8:51
  the
• 8:52
  new
• 8:52
  year,
• 8:52
  so
• 8:52
  you've
• 8:52
  trou.
• 8:53
  You've
• 8:53
  reflected
• 8:53
  on
• 8:54
  where
• 8:54
  you
• 8:54
  are,
• 8:54
  what
• 8:54
  you've
• 8:55
  accomplished,
• 8:55
  and
• 8:56
  now
• 8:56
  you're
• 8:56
  saying,
• 8:56
  what's
• 8:57
  next?
• 8:58
  You
• 8:58
  say,
• 8:58
  okay,
• 8:58
  I
• 8:59
  made
• 8:59
  up
• 8:59
  my
• 8:59
  mind.
• 8:59
  This
• 8:59
  is
• 9:00
  what
• 9:00
  I'm
• 9:00
  gonna
• 9:00
  do.
• 9:01
  And
• 9:01
  all
• 9:01
  of
• 9:01
  a
• 9:01
  sudden,
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  very
• 9:03
  thing
• 9:03
  that
• 9:03
  you
• 9:04
  love,
• 9:04
  that
• 9:04
  you're
• 9:05
  sort
• 9:05
  of
• 9:05
  walking
• 9:05
  away
• 9:06
  from,
• 9:07
  comes
• 9:07
  back
• 9:07
  and
• 9:07
  grabs
• 9:08
  you
• 9:08
  and
• 9:08
  says,
• 9:08
  not
• 9:09
  yet,
• 9:09
  Thad.
• 9:10
  It's
• 9:10
  a
• 9:10
  resounding
• 9:10
  note.
• 9:11
  Yeah,
• 9:12
  yeah,
• 9:12
  yeah.
• 9:13
  Like,
• 9:13
  you're
• 9:13
  not
• 9:13
  leaving
• 9:13
  me.
• 9:14
  That's.
• 9:15
  I
• 9:15
  feel
• 9:15
  like
• 9:15
  Doriki
• 9:16
  would
• 9:16
  be
• 9:16
  familiar
• 9:16
  with
• 9:17
  that
• 9:17
  concept
• 9:18
  100%.
• 9:19
  I'm
• 9:19
  drawing
• 9:20
  a
• 9:20
  lot
• 9:20
  of
• 9:20
  parallels
• 9:21
  from
• 9:21
  his
• 9:21
  story.
• 9:21
  It's
• 9:22
  beautiful.
• 9:22
  Tell
• 9:22
  me
• 9:22
  about
• 9:22
  that.
• 9:23
  Yeah.
• 9:23
  Well,
• 9:24
  just
• 9:24
  as
• 9:25
  much
• 9:25
  as
• 9:25
  I've
• 9:26
  tried
• 9:26
  to
• 9:26
  run
• 9:27
  from
• 9:27
  music,
• 9:28
  music
• 9:28
  has
• 9:28
  always
• 9:29
  forced
• 9:29
  its
• 9:30
  way
• 9:30
  back
• 9:30
  into
• 9:30
  my
• 9:31
  life.
• 9:31
  I
• 9:31
  was
• 9:32
  always
• 9:32
  reluctant
• 9:33
  to
• 9:33
  performing
• 9:34
  and
• 9:34
  singing,
• 9:35
  and
• 9:36
  even
• 9:36
  when
• 9:37
  I
• 9:37
  tried
• 9:37
  to
• 9:37
  run
• 9:37
  from
• 9:38
  it,
• 9:38
  it
• 9:38
  punched
• 9:39
  me
• 9:39
  in
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  face
• 9:39
  and
• 9:39
  forced
• 9:39
  me
• 9:40
  on
• 9:40
  stage
• 9:41
  all
• 9:41
  the
• 9:41
  time.
• 9:41
  I've
• 9:42
  tried
• 9:42
  to
• 9:42
  run
• 9:42
  from
• 9:42
  it
• 9:43
  multiple
• 9:43
  times.