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Feminist Movie Friday: Twilight · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to.
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Speaker 2: Stephan never told your production of iHeart Radio.
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Speaker 1: And I am back in full forth ready to entertain everyone,
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Speaker 1: including you, Annie, because I feel like we have such
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Speaker 1: different perspectives about what we're about to talk about, and
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Speaker 1: I just excited that we decided to do this. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we are doing a feminist movie, and this movie is
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Speaker 1: a beloved tale that started off as fan fiction, and
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Speaker 1: I know we've talked about it many times. Yes, we
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Speaker 1: were talking about the two thousand and eight adaptation of Twilight.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so it is.
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Speaker 3: We didn't have time to do our usual book club
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Speaker 3: or our usual feminist movie Friday this month, so we're
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Speaker 3: combining the two kind of kind of. But also I
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Speaker 3: do have an update on that fan fiction piece that
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Speaker 3: I need to talk about in the middle.
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, okay, Well, I know we've talked about
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Speaker 1: it before. I came in late to the game of Twilight.
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Speaker 1: I think I came in before. No, no, no, all the
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Speaker 1: books had been released by the time I had come in,
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Speaker 1: but I think the last one, which is Breaking Dawn,
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Speaker 1: because we know all the titles are something to do
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Speaker 1: with like horizons, but like that was still in hardback,
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Speaker 1: and I had to buy it in hardback. But I
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Speaker 1: read Twilight and then I got englfed in it. I
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, and it was so easy to read,
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Speaker 1: so I went in read one hundred and twenty thousand percent.
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Speaker 1: My roommate was making fun of me and her boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: as I should at that time, because it was not
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Speaker 1: for my age. I was out of college at this point,
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Speaker 1: a profession living in Atlanta, and this was geared towards
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Speaker 1: college high school students. Essentially a young young adult novel
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Speaker 1: written by an adult that had a lot of repressed feelings. Sure,
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Speaker 1: Jethie Meyer who blaf is Mormon and had a lot
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Speaker 1: of pent up emotion and was kind of like, but
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Speaker 1: I got to make Harry Potter sexier but not.
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Speaker 3: Too sexy, right, which I guess brings me. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 3: first let me talk about my my experience. So I
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Speaker 3: want to be very very clear while I might make
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Speaker 3: some fun while we do this. I totally get why
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Speaker 3: this was so popular. I think that when it came out,
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Speaker 3: I just really I wasn't into romance, and I also
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Speaker 3: was like, but I could just read this fan fiction
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Speaker 3: that I like more So I never got in to it.
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Speaker 3: I did go see the movie in college, and I've
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Speaker 3: told you this story, and I just watched the movie
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Speaker 3: again and I laughed very hard again at the same
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Speaker 3: part where they're in the class the bioclass and Bella
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Speaker 3: comes in and the fan catches her hair and it
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Speaker 3: blows and the scent blows towards Edward, I guess, and
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Speaker 3: he's like, oh on the paper like blows up. And
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Speaker 3: I died laughing in the theater and these like fourteen
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Speaker 3: year olds behind me, I am not kidding, threatened to
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Speaker 3: take me out.
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Speaker 2: To the alley and beat me up.
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Speaker 1: Are these fourteen year olds don't even know what an
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Speaker 1: alley is?
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Speaker 2: Like dated, They were like, we'll go outside right now.
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Speaker 1: Catch it outside. Did they say this to you?
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Speaker 3: I don't think that was a thing yet, but essentially
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Speaker 3: that was the vibe. And I didn't mean to make
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Speaker 3: fun and I'm honestly rewatching it. I'm like, I'm not
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Speaker 3: even sure it wasn't supposed to be kind of funny,
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Speaker 3: because it was very.
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Speaker 1: Curious, right, So the entire thing, I think it has
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Speaker 1: become a cult classic into that is now funnier than
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Speaker 1: it should have been. My my cringe scene was a
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Speaker 1: Sparkles scene. Yeah, and then the of course spider monkey scene, which,
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Speaker 1: by the way, I realized there was like themed where
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Speaker 1: they just called each other monkeys for some reason. So
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Speaker 1: he says, hang on tight, spider monkey, which is which
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Speaker 1: is not a part of the book, and everybody was like,
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Speaker 1: what what just happened? And then there's a second where
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Speaker 1: they put when they played the baseball and she and
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Speaker 1: he climbs up the tree to get the baseball. Essentially,
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Speaker 1: Rosalie says, that's my monkey. Man.
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Speaker 4: I was like, what the so, uh, yeah, we were
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Speaker 4: providing too quickly into this of course, if you don't know,
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Speaker 4: I feel like this is because it was again.
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Speaker 1: I was a little older, so any would have been
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Speaker 1: your generation, I think more so than my generation of
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Speaker 1: people who loved it. But don't get me wrong, we
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Speaker 1: were again if you lived the life like mine, which
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Speaker 1: was very churchish conservative, this book was amazing because you
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Speaker 1: could have the things without having the things, and you
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Speaker 1: understood why these things played out as it did. Because
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Speaker 1: this Mormon girl understood sexuality for repressed sexuality for young
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Speaker 1: girls in the church. So this was absolutely that and
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Speaker 1: many of us, because I got my friends into it
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Speaker 1: too because they saw the movie, which is hilarious because
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Speaker 1: I thought if they saw the movie, they wouldn't want
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Speaker 1: to read the book because the movie, even at that
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Speaker 1: point was not great to me. But I still loved it,
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but it was it would catch
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Speaker 1: on and I have copies of it here and I
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Speaker 1: cannot find them, so I had to rent it anyway.
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Speaker 1: But before we start, yes, let's let's talk about the movie.
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Speaker 1: This is written by Stephanie Meyer, again fan fiction of Harry,
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Speaker 1: though she doesn't like fan fiction version of her stories,
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Speaker 1: which is interesting in itself. She gives a lot of
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Speaker 1: credit to the music, which my partner was sitting or like,
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Speaker 1: was around the living room when I was watching this
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Speaker 1: today and he was like, wait is that Radiohead? And
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Speaker 1: I was like, the soundtrack is bombed, like for some reason.
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Speaker 1: He's like, Radiohead never gets permission, and they gave permission
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Speaker 1: for this movie, and I was like, I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 1: they all thought this was like an indie film and
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Speaker 1: they went with it because the director, Catherine Hardwick, was
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Speaker 1: actually known for a lot of her indie films. It
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Speaker 1: has Evan rachel Wood as her first movie, as well
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Speaker 1: as Nikki Reid, who we see play Rosalie in Twilight.
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Speaker 1: So it's about these two young girls coming of age
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Speaker 1: and really like their angstiness and growing up. And it
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Speaker 1: actually was a really good film. I think it's a
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Speaker 1: great film, and it hit a lot of like the
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Speaker 1: rebellion to grow up too quickly and being cool and
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Speaker 1: what that could look like and how scary it could
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Speaker 1: be and how confusing it could be. It also sexualized
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Speaker 1: Evan rachel Wood at a very early age, and I
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Speaker 1: believe she was almost she was thirteen fourteen. She was
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Speaker 1: pretty young at that point. So a lot of things
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Speaker 1: with Catherine Hardwick made herself a name in that kind
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Speaker 1: of alternative indie film with that because it won awards,
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Speaker 1: and I believe Nicki Reid helped write that screenplay at
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Speaker 1: that young age. Yeah, so Nicki Read also had some
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Speaker 1: cred in this point. So I really think that a
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Speaker 1: lot of the musicians were like really honored, kind of
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Speaker 1: like thinking this is going to be an indie film.
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Speaker 1: That's again this is my theory only because I'm like,
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Speaker 1: how did she get Lincoln Park? Who still get me wrong.
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Speaker 1: They were kind of kitchy at that point, but still
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Speaker 1: pretty hardcore for a movie like this, Iron and Wine
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Speaker 1: and all these different songs, and you're like how And
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Speaker 1: again Radiohead, they are ridiculously picky about not giving any
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Speaker 1: rights here they.
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Speaker 5: Are in Twilight for jeens, Okay, but yeah, like this,
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Speaker 5: I'm holding to the fact that, yes, this was intended
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Speaker 5: as like an indie look into this movie.
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Speaker 1: This was Catherine Hardwick's big jump into the mainstream. Summit
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Speaker 1: was not a big studio at that point in time.
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Speaker 1: They were making a name for themselves, but they were
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Speaker 1: more indie ish at that point in time, so kind
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Speaker 1: of the more commercialized a twenty four let's say, for today,
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Speaker 1: or Bluemhouse the Plumhouse. I guess Blumhouse was more horror,
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Speaker 1: but you get what I'm saying. They were the smaller
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Speaker 1: that grew bigger with some street cred. So here we
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Speaker 1: got this whole idea. And again, Catherine Hardwick, if you've
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Speaker 1: ever seen her in interviews, she does look punk. She
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Speaker 1: dresses to the like leans to the side of punk,
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Speaker 1: which is also why I think the movie's all in
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Speaker 1: like the green, real like dark mood. Again, very indy,
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Speaker 1: phil and I think this is why you have of
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Speaker 1: Kristin Stewart jumping in, who had just come off of
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Speaker 1: her big hit Into the Wild, which is that movie
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Speaker 1: about the dude who gets lost in Alaska, unfortunately eats
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Speaker 1: the wrong things, passes away. But this is how he
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Speaker 1: got introduced to Kristin Stewart. This kind of guy gave
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Speaker 1: her name. Even though she'd been in many, many movies before,
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Speaker 1: she'd been in the movies with Jodie Foster like she
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Speaker 1: was a huge child actor that no one really knew so,
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Speaker 1: but this really pushed her into the Oh look at
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Speaker 1: her angsty teen uh, and this is why she got cast.
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Speaker 1: She was always intended to play Bella or Isabella Swan,
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Speaker 1: who is our protagonist, who is our pixie manic girl.
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Speaker 1: She would be exactly what we talk about, who is
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Speaker 1: clumsy but cute. Everybody wants her, everybody likes her somehow
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Speaker 1: good at everything but bad at everything, like all of
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Speaker 1: these things.
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Speaker 3: This is like when I talk about him Mary, this is,
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Speaker 3: this is this is Maybe she's the beginning.
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Speaker 1: No, no, I.
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Speaker 2: Know what the beginning is.
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Speaker 1: It's the beginning.
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Speaker 2: It's a fan it's famous.
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Speaker 3: But but I do want to I say that, as
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm very I don't think there's anything wrong
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Speaker 3: with a good Mary Sue. I think there's plenty of
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Speaker 3: things to enjoy about a good marry Sue, so I
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Speaker 3: think it's worth examining the tropes. But also I get
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Speaker 3: it's fun. Yes, it is that girl. She is that girl.
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Speaker 3: So we have Kristin Stewart being this and always being this.
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Speaker 3: Later we find Robert Pattinson, who, yes, who hates this role.
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Speaker 3: I think he started to come back and embrace it,
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Speaker 3: but hates this role now and the only reason he did.
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Speaker 1: It was because of Kristin Stewart. If you listened to
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Speaker 1: his interviews, he always talked about how he was about
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Speaker 1: to quit until he got this role. But their chemistry
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Speaker 1: was too good and we saw that in real life
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Speaker 1: and then it just bombed. And then we're like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Kristin Stewart's gay obviously. And then we again meet Nicky Reid,
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Speaker 1: who has always been a good friend with Katherine Hardwick
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Speaker 1: has always been a part of this as well. With
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Speaker 1: the awful dye job that apparently ruined her hair and
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Speaker 1: they had to do wigs after that, but it dup
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Speaker 1: for our hair real good that if you know the
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Speaker 1: behind the behind the scenes. Again, we have Billy Burke
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Speaker 1: who plays the father of Kristen Stewart, who I think
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Speaker 1: is the only good actor in this entire thing, to
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Speaker 1: be honest, sorry y'all. And then we have Peter Facinelli
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Speaker 1: who plays Carlisle Cullen. Yeah, Elizabeth Reeser as May Cullen.
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Speaker 1: Ashley Green, we were introduced to her, Colin Lutz and
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Speaker 1: Jackson Rathbone, and then there's several other actors that we include.
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Speaker 1: Of course, we also have talked about Taylor Lautner, who's
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Speaker 1: only in a few scenes so he's just barely introduced,
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Speaker 1: who is from Native lineage. So I remember that was
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Speaker 1: really important and out glad that they stuck to it,
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Speaker 1: and they stuck to it throughout the entire movies. To
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Speaker 1: bring in native actors into this entire conversation. They did
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Speaker 1: switch out the native actors because the initial ones were
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Speaker 1: not buff enough to be half naked, so they had
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Speaker 1: to switch them all out. And then we are introduced
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Speaker 1: to Anna Kendrick, who, yes, she is one of the
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Speaker 1: didn't she oscar nominated? At this point, she's got awards.
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Speaker 1: Still real bad, still real bad in.
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Speaker 2: This I forgot she was in there, he's in here.
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Speaker 1: But she's probably one of the better ones Justin Choon,
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Speaker 1: which y'all may not know who he is, but I
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Speaker 1: know who he is because he's a Korean actor that
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Speaker 1: I was like, what was very glad to see as
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Speaker 1: part of the cast. And he is a big writer
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Speaker 1: and does a lot of great movies, especially about Korean
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Speaker 1: culture in the US. Just you know, to put that
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Speaker 1: in there. But yeah, so we have a lot of
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Speaker 1: interesting things. New pair of people coming into play. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and if you're wondering the book, they try to close
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Speaker 1: closely stay with the book. So the writer, the screenplay
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Speaker 1: writer Melissa Rosenberg, which we have talked about her before,
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Speaker 1: she talks about how she wanted to, you know, be
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Speaker 1: as close to the book as possible, taking some of
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Speaker 1: the lines. And I think this is where we see
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Speaker 1: how when it's translated to real life it doesn't go.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: It's better when you don't say it out loud in
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Speaker 1: your head because you're gonna imagine and you're gonna go
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Speaker 1: to just graze over it. But then when they actually
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Speaker 1: say that lines out loud, they're like, oh, that's bad again.
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Speaker 1: The idea of a sparkly man seems interesting until you
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Speaker 1: see it on screen and you're like, this is that
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Speaker 1: not turn out well? And again I say that this
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Speaker 1: is the person that that was a fan and that
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Speaker 1: still has these books. I shamefully hide them because I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh god, but I did love them so and if
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Speaker 1: I remember correctly, I believe our producer super producer Christina
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Speaker 1: also loved them. Who is younger than the both of us.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, I think it's making a replay like it's
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Speaker 1: coming back. Kids are coming back and discovering it and
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Speaker 1: loving it. So if you're a fan, you do you
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Speaker 1: enjoy every bit of it. Don't listen to me being
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Speaker 1: cringing at it. I enjoyed it for what it was.
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Speaker 1: It entertained me for many a times, loved me some.
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Speaker 1: Robert Pattinson, Oh yeah, Annie, are you team Jacob or
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Speaker 1: team Edward? Oh it's an important question.
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Speaker 3: Well, okay, So I am making notes of what we
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Speaker 3: need to talk about at the end for themes. One
14:35
Speaker 3: of the ones is we did talk about this in
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Speaker 3: shipping our shipping episode. This was a big moment in shipping.
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Speaker 3: I did not read the books. I saw the first movie,
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Speaker 3: so I feel that I was just like.
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Speaker 1: I should have made you watch all of the movies.
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Speaker 1: That's what you're saying, it's coming back now. Not that
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Speaker 1: I've discovered this.
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Speaker 3: I do haven't known about the later movies though, because
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Speaker 3: the baby is infamous baby Okay.
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Speaker 1: Well, the name alone was a tragedy, and I feel
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Speaker 1: bad for any author because we've talked about having names
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Speaker 1: as writers and it's difficult, honestly, but the name she
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Speaker 1: picked out was so bad that we were all like,
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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone, no fan was on her side
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Speaker 1: for this. Well, I don't know what it is her
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Speaker 1: name because Bella wanted to combine the name of her
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Speaker 1: two parents, the two mothers oh okay and so Renesme
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Speaker 1: was the name instead of giving her like a middle
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Speaker 1: name and a first name of sorts. And then spoiler alert,
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Speaker 1: this is over like twenty years old.
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Speaker 2: Of most.
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Speaker 1: They call her Essie okay, and she gets very angry.
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Speaker 1: But this because sc is the name of the lucknest monster.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, there you go away.
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Speaker 1: So let's just go ahead and go into the plot
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Speaker 1: real quick. We have Edward Collins played by Robert Pattinson,
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Speaker 1: who is the man, the main lead. Now I'm taking
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Speaker 1: thinking Korean level, so sorry if I put it this way,
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Speaker 1: but this is the classic triangle trope. So we have
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Speaker 1: the main lead, who would be Robert Pattinson, the second
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Speaker 1: lead who would be Taylor Latner's character Jacob, who is
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Speaker 1: a Native American that lives on the reservation quote unquote,
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Speaker 1: and they are mortal enemies of the colons. So we
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Speaker 1: get interested in dou Stabella, who is leaving Arizona and
16:42
Speaker 1: goes to live with her father because her mother and
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Speaker 1: her stepfather are now quote traveling since her stepfather is
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Speaker 1: a baseball player, and this does closely go to the book,
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Speaker 1: and she goes to Forks, Oregon, which exists, and you
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Speaker 1: can visit and they they love their tourists, so you
16:59
Speaker 1: can go and out with him if you want. They
17:01
Speaker 1: By the way, I was trying to search this social
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Speaker 1: way to watch this without paying for it, and instead
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Speaker 1: of finding the actual movies, I found like side movies,
17:11
Speaker 1: I guess or documentaries, and one of them was a
17:14
Speaker 1: whole fan quest It's what it called. It was Twilight
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Speaker 1: dot dot fanquest, and it just you just went with
17:20
Speaker 1: people to go do the tour with them, like this
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Speaker 1: is how big, Like there's so many, so much love
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Speaker 1: for this, for this movie, and I think it still exists.
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Speaker 1: To be honest. So we have her going to organ
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Speaker 1: She hates the rain, she hates the cold, but you
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Speaker 1: know Orgon is rainy and cold. Oh no, She comes
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Speaker 1: in doesn't have much of a relationship with her father.
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Speaker 1: He is very awkward. She is very shy and awkward.
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Speaker 1: So this is a whole build up. He's a sheriff
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Speaker 1: of the town. Of course. She goes to the school.
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Speaker 1: She meets this bunch of kids who all the boys
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Speaker 1: are fighting over her now. But then her eyes are
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Speaker 1: caught by the Cullens, who are the Who is this
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Speaker 1: mysterious family that got adopted by doctor Collen as we
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Speaker 1: talked about Carlisle and asme his wife, And they are
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Speaker 1: all very pale and beautiful, but they're all with each
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Speaker 1: other except for Edward. Edward does not have a partner.
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Speaker 1: We have a kookie one who is uh Alice and
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Speaker 1: very like flush. They call her, I guess, the not
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Speaker 1: the funny one, but like the like essentially like a
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Speaker 1: fairy the way they describe her, she's like a pixie fairy,
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Speaker 1: like oh happy, they have a pixie cut even yes. Uh.
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Speaker 1: We have Jasper who is the brooding one. That's her partner,
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Speaker 1: and he just looks angry all the time, which looks
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Speaker 1: he just looks constipated. These the descriptions is amazing because
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Speaker 1: they actually say the description is out loud of them
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Speaker 1: and the way that. Don't get me wrong, I'm so
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Speaker 1: sorry actors. I know they're phenomenal and it has a
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Speaker 1: hard job, but still laughter okay uh. And then again
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Speaker 1: we have Rosalie and her love Emma. They're just the
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Speaker 1: beautiful couple in general. And then we find Edward who
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Speaker 1: just smirks all the time and according to Anna Kendrick's
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Speaker 1: character does is tooka for everyone and he just smirks.
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Speaker 1: Ha ha ha. That's the end. They are in their corner,
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Speaker 1: and of course Bella is quickly smitten by Edward and
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Speaker 1: he is completely confused. We get an introduction to him
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Speaker 1: when she walks into the classroom and stands in front
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Speaker 1: of a fan and he looks like he's going to
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Speaker 1: throw up as she goes and sits next to him,
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Speaker 1: and then he runs away and we find out he's
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Speaker 1: trying to exchange classes and she's so upset, and by
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Speaker 1: the again, I know Kristin Stewart's a great actress. I've
19:42
Speaker 1: seen her on some amazing things. She's been nominated for
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Speaker 1: many awards. It's so bad, the over hyped lip binding.
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Speaker 1: When she gets her feelings hurt, I was like wow.
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Speaker 1: And then the where she gets frustrated or excited. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is what makes me go I don't understand what
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Speaker 1: is it anyway?
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Speaker 2: And we move on.
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Speaker 1: Later we go back to her coming to the school.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, this dude's car goes out of I guess
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Speaker 1: slips on the ice, is coming after her. All of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, Edward appears and pushes the car away from
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Speaker 1: her so she doesn't get crushed. And she's like, what
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Speaker 1: the hell he was across from the parking lot? How
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Speaker 1: did he get over air so quick? So many mysteries unfold,
20:29
Speaker 1: and soon she discovers that he is a vampire. She
20:32
Speaker 1: goes down the route of googling things about vampires. I
20:37
Speaker 1: don't think everet says vampire until she starts googling, like,
20:41
Speaker 1: you never really see that. And then she confronts him
20:44
Speaker 1: in the woods where she's supposed to be really clumsy
20:45
Speaker 1: and tripping everywhere, and he's like throwing trees yep, and
20:50
Speaker 1: jumping from place to place, and then he's trying to
20:53
Speaker 1: get angry, and then he shows her her his skin color,
20:57
Speaker 1: and his skin is sparkly, and it turns out vampires
21:01
Speaker 1: sparkle in the sun, and that's why they love Forks
21:04
Speaker 1: because it's always cloudy and they don't have to hide
21:07
Speaker 1: as much unless they go quote unquote camping because you know,
21:11
Speaker 1: if it's sunny, they can't be a school. So that's
21:14
Speaker 1: when all the whole family goes camping, is what they say.
21:17
Speaker 1: During all this time, we find out that Rosalie is
21:20
Speaker 1: very unhappy because if he ruins everything and kills her,
21:22
Speaker 1: they'll have to run away and hide again until the
21:24
Speaker 1: next generation of people come back, because they come back
21:26
Speaker 1: every few years. We find over every several decades or
21:30
Speaker 1: centuries to replay pretend like they're still young kids because
21:34
Speaker 1: they never age obviously. But he tells her the whole
21:38
Speaker 1: story about being saved in nineteen eighteen, Carlisle saves him
21:44
Speaker 1: and then as May and everybody else and they become
21:47
Speaker 1: one big, happy family. She goes to visit the family.
21:51
Speaker 1: There's a whole joke about the hats, and in the
21:55
Speaker 1: book it's something else. There is a joke, but it's
21:57
Speaker 1: not the hats, and I can't remember what it is.
22:00
Speaker 1: It's not graduation has some I want to say, this
22:02
Speaker 1: might be diplomas that they have. If any of you
22:06
Speaker 1: listeners remember, tell me, because I just remember that one
22:09
Speaker 1: distinct details, like that's not what it was like, but
22:11
Speaker 1: they try to keep it. We also know that Robert
22:14
Speaker 1: Pattinson in real life is very musically inclined, so he
22:17
Speaker 1: actually wrote a piano piece to play Bella and it's
22:21
Speaker 1: like a theme throughout. I think it's called Bella's Theme
22:23
Speaker 1: or something like that. And then they are all very cute.
22:27
Speaker 1: The family's excited to meet her, except for Rosalie and
22:31
Speaker 1: except for Jasper, because it turns out Jasper hasn't been
22:33
Speaker 1: a vampire for as long as everybody else and still
22:35
Speaker 1: wants to eat her because she smells so delicious. And
22:38
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing about him looking like he's gonna
22:41
Speaker 1: vomit is she smells so good compared to like nothing
22:45
Speaker 1: he's ever smelled, that he's tempted to kill her all
22:47
Speaker 1: the time, to eat her all the time. And then
22:51
Speaker 1: in the book they actually have a conversation with Emmett
22:55
Speaker 1: and Edward about he's like, just give in. It's okay,
22:58
Speaker 1: Like I've done it once and yeah, I felt bad,
22:59
Speaker 1: but it's hard man, so go for it, essentially trying
23:03
Speaker 1: to get him to kill Bella and telling his own
23:07
Speaker 1: stories about how he did that, and I was like,
23:08
Speaker 1: what the okay? But yes, So he is always tempted
23:13
Speaker 1: to eat her because she smells amazing, and so everybody's
23:17
Speaker 1: just waiting for that to happen. Half of them are
23:19
Speaker 1: trying to tell him to turn her so he can
23:21
Speaker 1: be with her forever, and half of them are like, no,
23:23
Speaker 1: we got to just leave her alone. She's gonna ruin
23:25
Speaker 1: our lives. And in all of these vampires have special abilities,
23:30
Speaker 1: whether it's strength or like making people calm, and for
23:35
Speaker 1: Edward's reading minds, except he can't read her mind. Oh no,
23:38
Speaker 1: of course, because she's that one different girl. And for Alice,
23:42
Speaker 1: she can read the future oftentimes, and she knows that
23:45
Speaker 1: eventually Bella is going to be a part of the family,
23:48
Speaker 1: so she's very happy, excited for her to be a
23:50
Speaker 1: part of the family, so delightful. Moving on, they decided
23:53
Speaker 1: to be together. We have a whole baseball game happening
23:56
Speaker 1: with the loud thunder again. One of the funniest things
23:59
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing in my life, as well as
24:01
Speaker 1: the fact that we get introduced to the villains of
24:04
Speaker 1: the crew that three vampires have been coming in, eating
24:07
Speaker 1: people left and right and making people missing. And then
24:10
Speaker 1: there's one dude that's a tracker quote unquote, so he
24:13
Speaker 1: loves hunting for fun, and the harder the prey, the
24:17
Speaker 1: better for him. And because he catches bella scent, he's like, oh.
24:21
Speaker 1: And then because all of the vampires are proud to
24:24
Speaker 1: protect her, he's like, this is the ultimate game. So
24:26
Speaker 1: Bella is now in danger, which is what Edward was
24:29
Speaker 1: afraid of. And Edward doesn't want to change her humanity,
24:31
Speaker 1: and he doesn't take away from her because he thinks
24:33
Speaker 1: he's a monster all these things, and he's old fashioned,
24:36
Speaker 1: so he's got to protect her because you know, of course,
24:39
Speaker 1: got to protect her, she's a weak human woman. Then
24:42
Speaker 1: we go on this whole goose chase about her trying
24:45
Speaker 1: to run away. They go back to Phoenix, so she's
24:47
Speaker 1: where she's originally from. She gets tricked into thinking, oh no,
24:52
Speaker 1: my mother's in danger. Oldest trick in that book. Golds
24:55
Speaker 1: and tries to rescue her at a ballet center. And
24:58
Speaker 1: at this ballet center we have the ultimate show between
25:00
Speaker 1: this tracker and everybody. She almost dies, she doesn't. Edward
25:05
Speaker 1: almost eats her, he doesn't. He is up saving the day.
25:08
Speaker 1: They had this really hilarious ripping up the villain scene.
25:12
Speaker 1: They rip him apart and burn him. And I noticed
25:15
Speaker 1: in this scene you see Alice just dancing at the
25:20
Speaker 1: bonfire for no reason. I'm like, hey, you do you, Alice?
25:28
Speaker 2: You do you?
25:29
Speaker 1: And then she goes to the hospital where she wakes up,
25:31
Speaker 1: and they've made up the story about how clumsy she
25:33
Speaker 1: was and she fell out the window, normal, completely normal,
25:36
Speaker 1: and everybody's so excited and that she's awake, and she
25:39
Speaker 1: decides she wants to stay at Forks. She doesn't want
25:41
Speaker 1: to go with her parents her mother too Jacksonville, and
25:44
Speaker 1: then cut two prom where she didn't want to go
25:48
Speaker 1: because she's so clumsy and she's so like hate public
25:51
Speaker 1: and dancing and all that stuff. But anyway, he takes
25:54
Speaker 1: her in a footcast very cute. Uh sees everybody. Everybody
25:58
Speaker 1: else's paired off, the school friends have all paired off,
26:00
Speaker 1: and everybody's very happy. The final dance scene is where
26:04
Speaker 1: they go to a gazebo where these two couples are
26:06
Speaker 1: dancing to no music because he's not playing the new
26:09
Speaker 1: song yet, but they're dancing happily next to Bella and
26:14
Speaker 1: Edward to Iron and Wine, Flightless Bird the Worst. I
26:20
Speaker 1: can't imagine it being like at what prom? At what prom?
26:25
Speaker 1: But anyway, so that's what we see them, and she's
26:28
Speaker 1: trying to convince him that he eventually she wants to
26:30
Speaker 1: return and be with him forever at the age of seventeen.
26:33
Speaker 1: That's all I know. We know Alice has seen it,
26:36
Speaker 1: do it. And then that's how it kind of ends.
26:38
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, in between all this, Jacob does pop
26:41
Speaker 1: up and does tell a little bit of a story, saying, oh,
26:44
Speaker 1: there's a thing between us and the Cullens. They're not
26:46
Speaker 1: allowed on the reservation. And then he doesn't know what's
26:50
Speaker 1: going on, but doesn't believe in any of the legends.
26:53
Speaker 1: He comes to the prom to warn Bella and say
26:57
Speaker 1: break up with him, and you know that's the backstory,
27:03
Speaker 1: and then cut two radioheads.
27:18
Speaker 2: And then what two more books?
27:20
Speaker 1: Three more it's three more movies, I know, five movies.
27:25
Speaker 1: So it is Twilight, New Moon, Eclipse, Breaking Dawn's part
27:29
Speaker 1: one and two. So they split the last one much
27:32
Speaker 1: like every other anything finale, so they broke it up
27:37
Speaker 1: into two pieces. Stephanie Myers does make some like cameos.
27:46
Speaker 1: She's actually in the diner scene. Who is the writer.
27:49
Speaker 1: She's in the diner scene where we see Charlie and
27:53
Speaker 1: Bella eating and the waitress being like, it's been so long,
27:56
Speaker 1: You're so beautiful, You're so grown up. That whole scene,
27:59
Speaker 1: Stephanie Meyers out the counter eating. Stephanie Meyers was very
28:03
Speaker 1: hands on for this as well as like the soundtrack.
28:07
Speaker 1: It's her soundtrack. So what she said was that these
28:10
Speaker 1: all the songs, most of the songs that you hear
28:12
Speaker 1: are from artists that she was listening to the entire
28:14
Speaker 1: time she was writing these books. And BT Dubbs, I've
28:18
Speaker 1: talked about this before she did write and I think
28:20
Speaker 1: she just she released a few years ago the Perspective
28:24
Speaker 1: from Edward and I had gotten I hasaw that copy
28:31
Speaker 1: of Long long, long, long time ago. I'm sure I
28:34
Speaker 1: have it around here somewhere, And I don't actually really
28:36
Speaker 1: like that Perspective better. By the way, I think I
28:40
Speaker 1: forgot to add. He likes to stalk her and would
28:42
Speaker 1: just stand in the bedroom and watch her.
28:43
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a theme I have to talk about.
28:46
Speaker 1: Yes, so we have all that. So there's a lot
28:48
Speaker 1: of themes. But I think one thing I do, even
28:50
Speaker 1: though I'm joking and laughing throughout, because to me it's
28:53
Speaker 1: so cringe today, and that because I know the caliber
28:56
Speaker 1: of actors that are in there, that was just like wow,
28:59
Speaker 1: wow that most of those actors really, I think looking
29:05
Speaker 1: back out of this film, but it was, it was,
29:09
Speaker 1: It is very entertaining. It is a huge It was
29:12
Speaker 1: a huge hit. It is a huge hit. They definitely
29:15
Speaker 1: got a lot of Prestigian awards, a lot of actors
29:19
Speaker 1: really got a lot of opportunities because of this movie.
29:23
Speaker 1: So no, like real talk, if you love this, if
29:26
Speaker 1: you like this, if you're discovering this again, there's no shame.
29:29
Speaker 1: There's millions of people that are with you and love, love,
29:33
Speaker 1: love this book, loved everything about these characters. I think
29:38
Speaker 1: a few of the characters were disappointing, but like people
29:41
Speaker 1: love Robert Pattinson being at Ward, People loved Taylor Latner
29:45
Speaker 1: being Jacob, like it is a cult favorite. Bella will
29:49
Speaker 1: always be Kristin Stewart, like all these things. So there's
29:52
Speaker 1: no shame, like the love for this the fandom for
29:55
Speaker 1: this specific genre and specific book is legit. So even though,
30:01
Speaker 1: like I'm making jokes, I was a fan, Like I
30:03
Speaker 1: have to admit, like I think it's kind of outgrown
30:06
Speaker 1: now and now it's coming back for some of the
30:08
Speaker 1: younger generations once again. But it is, so would not
30:12
Speaker 1: try to like make it seem like it's not legitimate.
30:15
Speaker 1: We're not try to say any of that because I
30:17
Speaker 1: think it's interesting to the level of like love this
30:20
Speaker 1: can have and the way that it grew that no
30:23
Speaker 1: one knew that it would grow to this level.
30:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that it speaks to how often
30:31
Speaker 3: which is the point I like to make all the time,
30:33
Speaker 3: we feel very comfortable making fun of what women and
30:37
Speaker 3: girls like, like, oh, this is really silly and it's
30:40
Speaker 3: not worth it, but it does speak to a bunch
30:44
Speaker 3: of people.
30:44
Speaker 2: It is hugely, hugely popular, And I think.
30:48
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be the best thing ever to
30:52
Speaker 3: be enjoyable and to be fun, Like I don't think
30:55
Speaker 3: that means we do that all the time for movies
30:57
Speaker 3: that are led by men. I think, like, if it
31:00
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be that, it can be fun and
31:02
Speaker 3: something you just like, and it doesn't have to be the.
31:05
Speaker 1: Best thing right and honestly, like for that time, I
31:09
Speaker 1: was nannying, very like, I didn't do anything. I just
31:12
Speaker 1: nannied and hang out with people sometimes this I didn't
31:15
Speaker 1: have a relationship. I wasn't dating people. I was still
31:17
Speaker 1: trying to discover myself, honestly, and this type of entertainment
31:23
Speaker 1: was exciting. It was something exciting and waiting for the
31:26
Speaker 1: next one and trying to get to the next one,
31:28
Speaker 1: and in the fandom, and I know you understand this
31:31
Speaker 1: waiting and guessing about who it could be. So before
31:35
Speaker 1: I did get to the books, before it got to
31:37
Speaker 1: be movies, I had whole pictures of who was who
31:41
Speaker 1: and who was going to be what and how it's
31:42
Speaker 1: going to be done. I think I even read out
31:44
Speaker 1: loud bellist parts to see if I could pull off
31:47
Speaker 1: the line. I could not. Yes, I love it, I
31:52
Speaker 1: could not. I wanted to be the protagonist as well
31:56
Speaker 1: the leading lady, but I did not. Am I that clumsy? Yes?
31:59
Speaker 1: Do people find that endearing? No, let's be very honest,
32:07
Speaker 1: and my cute is sweet and awkward? No, I'm awkward
32:14
Speaker 1: all of those things. But yeah, I think like that's
32:18
Speaker 1: definitely something we need to talk about, but like, yeah,
32:20
Speaker 1: one of the themes to this, of course, is that the fantasy,
32:23
Speaker 1: the fantasy of it all, whether it's vampires, and again,
32:27
Speaker 1: we haven't introduced were wolves to this. She makes sure
32:30
Speaker 1: to bounce it out. The stories behind each Each of
32:34
Speaker 1: the vampires are different, and they don't get released till
32:36
Speaker 1: later either. So Jasper ends up being a Confederate soldier,
32:40
Speaker 1: which is kind of like, oh, okay, but you know
32:44
Speaker 1: that's how we get introduced to him. Oh that's his backstory.
32:48
Speaker 1: Emma ends up being I think he was a hunter
32:51
Speaker 1: who got killed by a bear. I remember correctly. Rosalie
32:56
Speaker 1: her her I was like, why did y'all have to
32:58
Speaker 1: do this to her? Like she being murdered and raped
33:01
Speaker 1: by her fiance, Like it's pretty horrific that. I was,
33:04
Speaker 1: like what And she comes back with a vengeance and
33:06
Speaker 1: kills all of them, but like it's like a damn.
33:08
Speaker 1: And I don't know Alice's story. Alice, you don't actually
33:11
Speaker 1: know her backstory. You just know she discovers and finds Jasper.
33:17
Speaker 1: So I don't know much of Alice's story. She's just
33:20
Speaker 1: very like different. And then we find Carlisle's story was
33:24
Speaker 1: he is a part of a big coven that's very
33:26
Speaker 1: powerful in the vampire world. But he wanted peace, so
33:30
Speaker 1: he left that and Esme was dying I think from childbirth,
33:38
Speaker 1: I can't quite remember, and he discovered her. So he's
33:40
Speaker 1: always been a doctor because he tried to give back
33:42
Speaker 1: for taking away from humanity by healing humanity. That that's
33:46
Speaker 1: his whole thing. So you have all these stories and
33:48
Speaker 1: then later we find all these other vampires coming through,
33:51
Speaker 1: and there's some famous, famous people in this list of vampires.
33:56
Speaker 1: Remi Melick, who got his big like he started the
34:00
Speaker 1: show called Mister Robot, which was like a huge show
34:02
Speaker 1: for a while, and then he was in the Queen
34:07
Speaker 1: movie like he's one oscars now, like he was in
34:10
Speaker 1: there for a second. And then we have Michael Sheen,
34:14
Speaker 1: who everybody loves in there for a second. Like you
34:17
Speaker 1: have some big names that came out of nowhere, are like,
34:19
Speaker 1: what is happening? How did these people.
34:24
Speaker 2: Get to be?
34:25
Speaker 1: Like it just got bigger and bigger and bigger. Bryan
34:28
Speaker 1: Stallas Howard, isn't it And originally she said no, So
34:32
Speaker 1: she was a recast because she was such a bigger
34:35
Speaker 1: name that they wanted her. Originally she said she turned
34:37
Speaker 1: it down, realized how big it was, came back to it.
34:40
Speaker 1: So we have her coming back into it as well.
34:43
Speaker 1: We have I believe it's Dakota Fanning as as well,
34:46
Speaker 1: who plays one of the characters. So like you have
34:49
Speaker 1: some bigger names that come into onto this. They're like, yes,
34:53
Speaker 1: is this gonna be the new Harry Potter and first franchise.
34:57
Speaker 1: It was huge, But again I think it because it
35:01
Speaker 1: because people were sexist. I'm like, this is only for women.
35:04
Speaker 1: That's why I didn't get the same acclaim as Harry Potter.
35:08
Speaker 1: Necessarily is it as good writing? I would differ and
35:11
Speaker 1: say no, because it's not necessarily as inventive. But again,
35:19
Speaker 1: all these things, it got, all the different awards from
35:22
Speaker 1: like the very like MTV Awards and all these things.
35:25
Speaker 1: So in this level of fantasy, it really did bring
35:29
Speaker 1: in a lot of new people, a lot of interest,
35:33
Speaker 1: and a lot of more love for vampires. Again, you
35:36
Speaker 1: know that's kind of cyclical. Sometimes it's witches, sometimes it's werewolves,
35:40
Speaker 1: and now and this brought back vampires.
35:43
Speaker 3: Yes, And I remember it brought about a bunch of
35:46
Speaker 3: like why women in attracted to vampires?
35:49
Speaker 2: Now, what's going on?
35:52
Speaker 1: We talked about this before, about whoor like you have people,
35:55
Speaker 1: A lot of people have one specific thing that they
35:58
Speaker 1: love the most, and for me it was vampires too.
36:00
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know why. I don't know if
36:03
Speaker 1: it was like an interview with a vampire or Lost Boys.
36:06
Speaker 1: I watched that as a kid and loves That's probably
36:08
Speaker 1: one of my favorite horror movies and probably one of
36:11
Speaker 1: the I think, one of the best made vampire movies
36:14
Speaker 1: ever to date. But I have always loved vampires.
36:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because well, like I remembered when this
36:24
Speaker 3: came out, and uh, like when you get kind of
36:29
Speaker 3: the parodies that came out later, like what we do
36:31
Speaker 3: in the Shadows, and they were making fun of like
36:33
Speaker 3: the the glitter and the glitter, the shiny skin, the
36:38
Speaker 3: creepy paper. But one of my biggest things about vampires
36:41
Speaker 3: has always been the age difference. Oh yeah, I care
36:43
Speaker 3: if you're seventeen when you're bitten, you're one hundred years
36:46
Speaker 3: older than her.
36:47
Speaker 1: That's so. But it gets weirder later on when we
36:52
Speaker 1: have the whole imprinting thing that they place on the rails,
36:57
Speaker 1: and then several of them have imprinted on huddlers, and
37:01
Speaker 1: newborns and they're all like supposed to be in the
37:04
Speaker 1: late teens or early twenties, and they're like what the
37:06
Speaker 1: what the what? Like there's like we there's this level
37:11
Speaker 1: of like I feel like this could be an underlying
37:15
Speaker 1: pedophilic ideal, Like I don't know, I don't know what
37:19
Speaker 1: you're doing or if that's purposeful because all of these
37:22
Speaker 1: people are being matched at such a young age and
37:25
Speaker 1: then like eventually like when the minute they turn like
37:28
Speaker 1: we're married, and you're like, what the hell?
37:31
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And it's sort of those.
37:33
Speaker 3: Weird like when you like stretch it out over hundreds
37:37
Speaker 3: of years, Like sure, if you're two hundred and he's
37:41
Speaker 3: four hundred, what do I know? But like when you're
37:44
Speaker 3: getting bitten if you're seventy, what do I That's an
37:51
Speaker 3: age difference I can't coverhend.
37:53
Speaker 1: Again, not to be too realistic, but like I didn't
37:55
Speaker 1: know who I was at seventeen. I fought I think
37:58
Speaker 1: I started liking myself at late thirties. So what would
38:03
Speaker 1: you want? This as a choice. There's so much of this,
38:06
Speaker 1: but yes, there the themes are there. Obviously, we have
38:09
Speaker 1: the theme of eternity. We have the themes for love.
38:14
Speaker 1: We have the theme for hating yourself self hate, and
38:20
Speaker 1: then also again like this whole protection is there like
38:24
Speaker 1: so many interesting themes, so many interesting tropes. Again, we
38:29
Speaker 1: don't have the triangle yet that comes in New Moon
38:35
Speaker 1: when we find out the backstory of the reservation of
38:39
Speaker 1: the of the native peoples of the First People's and
38:41
Speaker 1: then but we will have the protective father who is
38:45
Speaker 1: over the top like the character for him. Of course,
38:49
Speaker 1: the person who played this character again, I'm like, probably
38:52
Speaker 1: one of the best actors in this entire thing, Billy Burke.
38:55
Speaker 1: He does a phenomenal job in making it funny, like
38:58
Speaker 1: he is kind of the foil without being a foil.
39:03
Speaker 4: Here.
39:04
Speaker 1: And the mom's supposed to be much like her flighty,
39:07
Speaker 1: forgetful and clumsy, which is.
39:12
Speaker 3: I guess I think right right. But for sure there
39:18
Speaker 3: is the stalking that came up in our stalking episode.
39:21
Speaker 3: This is a big like watching her sleep. There's also
39:25
Speaker 3: kind of the and I haven't read that so you
39:28
Speaker 3: can correct me, but from one understand there's like a
39:30
Speaker 3: suicidality that comes in, yes, or she's like if I
39:33
Speaker 3: can't be with him, then this.
39:35
Speaker 1: Is but that comes in later. But it's not necessarily
39:38
Speaker 1: because she wants to die. It's because those moments of
39:42
Speaker 1: excitement he comes to her as like a consciousness, and
39:46
Speaker 1: so she wants that so badly. She's willing to risk
39:49
Speaker 1: her life because she's so sad, like this is in
39:53
Speaker 1: book two, because he leaves her right, but he tries to.
39:56
Speaker 1: He wants to die because he hates he hates himself
39:59
Speaker 1: opart me a monster.
40:00
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, which brings me to my next point. Yes,
40:03
Speaker 3: there's this whole idea of like he keeps saying things
40:06
Speaker 3: like you make me want you so bad, I can't
40:09
Speaker 3: resist you, like I'm a monster, which I feel is
40:13
Speaker 3: very much are kind of like kind of ripe culture,
40:17
Speaker 3: and like I can't resist you.
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Speaker 2: You're the one making me do I look at you.
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Speaker 1: One thing, though he resists, he is able to resist.
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Speaker 1: So if he can do it, yeah, why can't men.
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Speaker 2: Right, I, Like I said, I've read this like this
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Speaker 2: is like this is.
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Speaker 3: So big and fan all of this is so so
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Speaker 3: I'm not judging.
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Speaker 2: I just think it's good to be like, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well when you look at the reality of it, for sure,
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Speaker 1: you're like this is not cute, Like none of none
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Speaker 1: of this is cute, like again, the stalking, the protecting,
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Speaker 1: the almost dying all the time, the sneaking in the
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Speaker 1: bedroom without permission, like it's there's there's so much, there's
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Speaker 1: so much, and then the lying to the parents and
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Speaker 1: then running away, and then like you're like, wait again,
41:05
Speaker 1: she's only seventeen. You forget how old they are because
41:11
Speaker 1: you're reading from her perspective, and so therefore you place
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Speaker 1: your own agent to that. And I think when I
41:15
Speaker 1: was reading it, I was twenty six maybe trying to
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Speaker 1: remember there's so much of this, and yes, and then
41:22
Speaker 1: we get into the like when we go back to
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Speaker 1: the rest of the book, and the back and forth
41:27
Speaker 1: was she doesn't get to choose. It's a fight between
41:28
Speaker 1: the dudes, and she doesn't get a say hardly, the
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Speaker 1: way of jealousy, so much physical touch, all these things.
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Speaker 3: So I wanted to bring back the final point about
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Speaker 3: the video. I haven't seen this, obviously, but I do
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Speaker 3: know about this because I love watching YouTube videos about
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Speaker 3: like the top ten scariest thing. This regularly comes up
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Speaker 3: on the top ten scariest movie props. It was the
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Speaker 3: baby in that movie. They are like quotes from the actors,
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Speaker 3: like I couldn't look at the.
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Speaker 1: Eye, like the poor girl who was supposed to be
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Speaker 1: like stuff, who is a super beautiful girl, which is
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Speaker 1: why they picked her, Like she's supposed to be super pretty,
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Speaker 1: all these things they used to image.
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Speaker 2: For this doll.
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Speaker 1: And it's so bad because what they do is pretty
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Speaker 1: much overlay her actual face onto a bad doll prop.
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Speaker 2: M h, I don't know. And it's not good. It's
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Speaker 2: not good.
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Speaker 1: Oh, it's so not good. I'm like, you really get
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Speaker 1: excited for when she turns the age that she's supposed
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Speaker 1: to be because it's so creepy and they're all like
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Speaker 1: so enamored by her, and I'm like, mm hmmm, don't
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Speaker 1: touch that baby. And by the way, she's literally eating
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Speaker 1: her inside like the way it describes it is. There's
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Speaker 1: a scene where Bella, who is still human at this point,
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Speaker 1: gets impregnated by Edward after they're married. Of course, y'all,
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Speaker 1: they get married, she's at eighteen. Right after they graduate,
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Speaker 1: she gets pregnant, which is supposed to be impossible because
43:24
Speaker 1: she is a succubist at this point, but whatever, and
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Speaker 1: because also he's dead and has no bodily fluids, but
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Speaker 1: yet she gets pregnant freezing, they said, okay. Anyway, they
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Speaker 1: create this baby and in this like she's getting you
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Speaker 1: can tell she's getting worn and like she's getting haggard,
43:49
Speaker 1: and it is eating away a hero's interior. There's a
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Speaker 1: point where she gets some blood because that's the only
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Speaker 1: thing that's actually really satisfying her and making her feel
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Speaker 1: kind of healthy. So they give her like back blood.
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Speaker 1: She has it in a cup. She drops the cup.
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Speaker 1: The baby lunges inside of the stomach for this blood
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Speaker 1: and like brace every bone in her body and it's
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Speaker 1: like almost coming out of the uterine sack, like and
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Speaker 1: the way it describes it, and then it's almost eating
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Speaker 1: at the uterine sack, is what it's saying. And she
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Speaker 1: does die essentially, and that's why she gets turned because
44:23
Speaker 1: at the point of death is when Edward tries to
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Speaker 1: like bring her back to life because there's no way.
44:28
Speaker 1: So the whole thing back and forth is everybody hates
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Speaker 1: this baby except for Bella and Rosalie, who's wanted a
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Speaker 1: baby her entire life. So because she died before she could,
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Speaker 1: all she wanted to be was a mother. This is
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Speaker 1: a big trip to but died before she could, so
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Speaker 1: she feels bitter towards Bella now because she's giving up
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Speaker 1: her humanity and the ability to have children, which is
44:52
Speaker 1: again what But in this they are the only two
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Speaker 1: who are willing to allow this baby to while everybody
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Speaker 1: else is trying to say abort it, which I'm like,
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Speaker 1: if it's that strong, can you And by the way,
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Speaker 1: this is a very like pro life stance on this
45:09
Speaker 1: on this movie, on this show you might which again
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Speaker 1: she's Mormon, so I think, like it makes sense it
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Speaker 1: never says it, but then they never really she never
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Speaker 1: really if I remember correctly. Again, I read it during
45:23
Speaker 1: a time where I was still very conservative, so maybe
45:26
Speaker 1: she never really says anything about abortion as being bad,
45:30
Speaker 1: but like it definitely looks at the but other people
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Speaker 1: want this baby, that whole adoption thing type of thing,
45:37
Speaker 1: and so it's kind of like and for the sake
45:40
Speaker 1: of in the sake of like, yes, sacrifice some other
45:46
Speaker 1: So it's like we could talk about that level like two,
45:50
Speaker 1: but that's that big trope of like trying to be
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Speaker 1: a mother and like what what are you what are
45:54
Speaker 1: you willing to risk to be a mother? You know,
45:57
Speaker 1: it wasn't important Tabla until she had the baby. She
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Speaker 1: could feel it. She could feel it at like week one,
46:04
Speaker 1: by the way, week one, because the baby like grows
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Speaker 1: so quickly because she is a vampire half vampire. Oh
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Speaker 1: she's half vampire.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Okay, I guess that's sure how it works.
46:18
Speaker 1: You do what? But yes?
46:21
Speaker 2: Uh huh?
46:22
Speaker 1: So I do want to now make you watch all
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Speaker 1: four or five of the movies.
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Speaker 2: Oh dear, I mean we could?
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Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 2: I do want to come.
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Speaker 3: I've been meaning to talk about this specific trope of
46:36
Speaker 3: the relationship in this between because I feel like that
46:42
Speaker 3: is everywhere. Like I was even thinking of True Blood
46:44
Speaker 3: when I was watching this, because you sort of have
46:45
Speaker 3: like your old vampire then you're like kind of innocent.
46:49
Speaker 1: Yes, she's all of them are virgins.
46:52
Speaker 3: Right, So I kind of want to come back and
46:54
Speaker 3: talk to about that. But I also I wanted to
46:56
Speaker 3: I have my fan fiction update, so I wanted to
47:01
Speaker 3: go back and find the fan fiction that this is basically.
47:05
Speaker 3: But it turns out there's a conspiracy theory. So the
47:09
Speaker 3: author says it came to her in a dream.
47:12
Speaker 1: Yes, I've heard that, and.
47:15
Speaker 3: A lot of people were like, but I've read this
47:17
Speaker 3: fan fiction, and so there was this big theory, like
47:23
Speaker 3: because if you're like me, you download the fan fiction,
47:25
Speaker 3: then you have it. And so a lot of times
47:27
Speaker 3: when people publish books based off their fan fiction, they
47:30
Speaker 3: delete it. But she's always said, like it came to
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Speaker 3: me in a dream, and people have always been like that,
47:34
Speaker 3: it's this fan fiction. And not only that, there was
47:38
Speaker 3: a theory that it was a my Chemical Romance fan fiction,
47:43
Speaker 3: but she said, like that influenced it, but was not
47:46
Speaker 3: what it was. And then there was a theory that
47:49
Speaker 3: it was a Buffy the Vampire fan fiction, which it
47:52
Speaker 3: definitely wasn't. But then there was a really funny theory
47:55
Speaker 3: that Harry Potter was a Twilight fan fiction, which is impossible.
48:02
Speaker 2: So I went on this whole thing.
48:04
Speaker 3: I guess the I think a lot of people do
48:06
Speaker 3: confuse Mortal Bones Immortal Bones that is definitely a Harry
48:11
Speaker 3: Potter fan fiction. I feel that I have read this
48:14
Speaker 3: fan fiction. But also fan fiction can be very trophy,
48:18
Speaker 3: so it's possible that it was just the fan fiction
48:20
Speaker 3: that was very similar.
48:21
Speaker 2: She will she has not said, right, but awesome.
48:25
Speaker 3: This led me to a whole other thing where I
48:27
Speaker 3: found books that you don't know are based on fan fiction.
48:30
Speaker 3: And a lot of them are Star Wars have surprised,
48:34
Speaker 3: but a lot of them are Twilight, so not just
48:36
Speaker 3: fifty Shades of Gray, but there's a bunch of Twilight
48:41
Speaker 3: fan fiction books.
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Speaker 2: Of this list of ten, I think it's four.
48:45
Speaker 1: So obviously outside of fifty.
48:50
Speaker 3: Probably some people would I think they're outside of I
48:53
Speaker 3: don't really read a lot of romance, Gabriel's Inferno, Simpierre Simprey.
49:03
Speaker 1: Which I love, supernatural rips on Twilight.
49:08
Speaker 2: They do twy hard Live for You R twy hard.
49:12
Speaker 1: Between the Gavin and Rosdelle episode and then that one
49:16
Speaker 1: like that, it's the literal like bringing in Young Girls episode, Yeah,
49:22
Speaker 1: where Jensen turns into a vampire.
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Speaker 2: Your ty hard one two?
49:28
Speaker 3: Uh huh yeah, yeah, So it's so, I mean it
49:32
Speaker 3: is interesting.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, wait, Gavin Rudillon was a Criminal Minds episode.
49:37
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Wow that was a moment.
49:42
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just think that that's you know, I
49:46
Speaker 3: can't prove either way, but I do think it's going
49:49
Speaker 3: back to what you said and and what I say
49:53
Speaker 3: all the time.
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Speaker 2: I think that.
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Speaker 3: The fact that that shouldn't be looked down upon you
49:57
Speaker 3: either way. Fan Fiction is great, and this is even
50:02
Speaker 3: though it was more coded towards women. It shouldn't be
50:08
Speaker 3: like that's useless, so it's not something we should talk about.
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Speaker 3: It clearly resonated. It spawned all of this other word.
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Speaker 1: Right, she made money so well jokes on us. Yes,
50:21
Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 3: I went home this weekend and my mom was like,
50:25
Speaker 3: she heard some piece on NPR and was like, you know,
50:28
Speaker 3: you can make money off your fan fiction. I was
50:30
Speaker 3: like yeah, and she's like, are you going to try
50:32
Speaker 3: to make money off your fan fiction?
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Speaker 2: And I laughed out loud for.
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Speaker 1: So I was like, no, that's cute's trying to help you. No,
50:45
Speaker 1: to make some money, But thank you.
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Speaker 3: For I guess the assumption that I could. That's amazing.
50:54
Speaker 3: But yeah, this was fun. I'm sure you'll probably wrote
50:56
Speaker 3: me into watching.
50:58
Speaker 1: I'm determined to watch all this this baby, and you
51:02
Speaker 1: have to see the bie, you have to see the
51:05
Speaker 1: romance scene.
51:10
Speaker 2: I'm getting anxious.
51:11
Speaker 1: I will say they had the best twist of fight,
51:17
Speaker 1: like one of the fight scenes that I think I've
51:20
Speaker 1: seen on TikTok recently. People were like, oh wow, okay, wow,
51:23
Speaker 1: that was actually genius.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, well we'll be back.
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Speaker 3: Yes, But in the meantime, we would love to hear
51:37
Speaker 3: about your thoughts on this listeners.
51:40
Speaker 1: Uh, I know people have thoughts.
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