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Twin Peaks, Fire Walk With Me & The Return · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  Costume Podcast. I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass.
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  He he, he's spreading that on me too quick.
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  I wasn't able to. I wasn't able to think.
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  And I'm Spencer Williams. Hello.
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  Spencer Williams, the log man. Yeah, and I'm a log lady named
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  Spencer Williams. There you go.
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  There. You go, there you go.
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  Thank. You Hi everyone, welcome to the
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  Art of Costume podcast. Thank you for joining us for our
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  Twin Peaks episode. Yeah, I can't believe you didn't
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  have one ready, Spencer. Well, there's just so many
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  options of Twin Peaks. There's the limit does not exist
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  on weird things. I could have did I actually know
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  what I wanted to do? I wanted to somehow like figure
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  out how they do that weird voice in the the Black Lodge and see
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  if I could figure out how to like recreate that.
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  Is this future Bro? Here's this best Do you know who
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  I am? I am the arm and I sound blush.
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  This. But that would have took amount
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  of time that I did not have in the 15 seconds you gave me just
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  now. And I'm sure they did that after
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  the fact and sound mixing I'm sure that was not.
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  Postscript Yeah, which I and I don't know if I could do that
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  anymore, but we'll we'll give it another shot.
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  But yeah, anyways, hello everyone.
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  Welcome back. We're so excited.
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  We are finally here with the conclusion of our David Lynch
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  series as we are talking about an incredible show, Twin Peaks.
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  Well, not just one show, we're talking about two shows and a
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  film today. We have a lot to get into.
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  We have a lot to get into, so Spencer, do you want to
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  introduce us to our director and give us a summary of Twin Peaks,
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  Twin Peaks Fire Walk with Me and Twin Peaks The Return?
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  Yeah, I do if. That's even possible.
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  Well, today's summary was really just written for Twin Peaks, but
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  I think it just kind of, it kind of is just overarching
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  encompasses everything. Yeah, I.
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  Can't really summarize at all. No, but Twin Peaks was created
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  by David Lynch and Mark Frost. You will know David Lynch of
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  course for Eraserhead, Elephant Man, Dune, Blue Velvet, Wild at
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  heart, Lost Highway, Mulholland Dr. and Inland Empire of course.
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  The 1st 2 episodes of our David Lynch series were Dune and Blue
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  Velvet. If you have not yet checked out
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  those two episodes, I really suggest you go and check them
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  out. We had a lot of fun putting
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  together those episodes and I believe those that listened to
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  them had a good time because the audience reaction has been quite
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  positive. So please go check them out.
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  But now for summary for Twin Peaks.
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  Yes, set in the mysterious Pacific Northwest town of Twin
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  Peaks, the series begins with the shocking murder of
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  homecoming Queen Laura Palmer, sent to investigate the case
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  eccentric FBI agent Dell Cooper, and covers a world filled of
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  secrets, strange dreams and deeply troubled residents where
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  the owls are not what they seem and almost nothing is ever as it
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  appears. Blending soap opera, melodrama,
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  psychological horror and surreal humor, Twin Peaks remains 1 of
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  televisions most haunting and influential cult classics.
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  So settle in, pour yourself a damn fine cup of coffee.
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  This is Twin Peaks. Yes, pour yourselves a damn fine
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  cup of coffee and settle in for behind the costumes.
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  That was actually, honestly, Spencer, that was a great
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  summary. Oh, I thank you.
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  I had to work in the coffee somewhere.
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  Yeah, like I'm kind of surprised because I wasn't sure how you
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  were going to do that. I.
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  Mean we could have went on and on with that summary, honestly.
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  We could. Have And then there is some
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  Civil War reenactments and some giants and as a scary murderer
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  and then, you know, the Dougies walking around in a casino.
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  And gosh, just there's too much there was.
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  Too much. You know what there's also a lot
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  of for the Twin Peaks? Well, what should we call this?
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  The Twin Peaks saga. Twin Peaks Multiverse.
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  Twin Peaks Multiverse, That's probably better.
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  Twin Peaks Multiverse. We have quite a few costume
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  designers. So going behind the costumes for
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  Twin Peaks, the original series, we have Patricia Norris, who
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  completed the pilot, Sarah Markowitz, who did the rest of
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  the series. For Fire Walk With Me, we have
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  Patricia Norris and Twin Peaks The Return, we have Nancy
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  Steiner say that's like simultaneously more and less
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  costume designers than I thought there would be.
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  Yeah. It's a lot.
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  Well, Patricia Norris is like, you know, David Lynch is
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  trusted, confident. We talked about Patricia Norris
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  on the Blue Velvet episode. Should go back and check it out.
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  So of course it makes sense that she would come back and do Fire
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  Walk with me. But yeah, such a great group.
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  Sarah Markowitz really killed it with Twin Peaks.
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  She really set such a great tone with these two seasons.
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  Of course, Patricia Norris, you know, set the tone of that
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  pilot. But then Sarah Markowitz really
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  carried it through those two seasons.
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  I mean, it's that beyond that first pilot, the series really
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  goes through a lot of different paths, I would say, beyond that
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  first pilot. So she really had, they carried
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  a torch to a lot of different places.
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  And then a Nancy Steiner coming back to Twin Peaks to return all
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  these years later really had to take the show in a whole new
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  direction, as we all come to see later on.
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  So Twin Peaks is quite the complicated show to do the
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  costumes for, I would say. So Elizabeth, we have obviously
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  a lot to talk about today and we're talking about the original
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  series. We're going to be talking about
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  the film, we're talking about the return.
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  So we're going to break this up a little bit.
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  We're going to talk about the original series and the film,
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  and then we're going to take a little break and we have this
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  special surprise today. We actually have a special guest
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  that'll be joining us who was actually a key costumer on Twin
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  Peaks Return. A friend of the podcast costume
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  designer Jen Starzik will be joining us who is going to talk
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  about her experience and who actually got to meet David Lynch
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  and did fittings with Laura Dern for her role on Twin Peaks
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  return. So she's going to tell us about
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  her experience and, you know, meeting Hawk and all these
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  characters. So she's going to talk about
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  that experience. And of course, Elizabeth and I
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  are going to talk about all these characters and their
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  costumes and player one costume rule them all.
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  So let's take a little quick break and we're going to get
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  into everything Twin Peaks. We we have quite a doozy to get
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  into. So let's get to.
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  Oh yes, Spencer, now you know, finding information for Twin
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  Peaks because it's from the 90s isn't the easiest thing in the
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  world, but you, you managed. You managed to find some.
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  I found, you know, something here and there.
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  Twin Peaks at the time I think wasn't exactly known for its.
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  I think people weren't looking at Twin Peaks at the time for
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  its costumes though. I think nowadays, I think people
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  now are seeing it for its costumes and the impact it had
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  on fashion at the time because I mean Pacific Northwest and you
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  know, it's inspiration on the 90s especially now people's
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  nostalgia for a 90s fashion especially people will have a
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  big look back at Twin Peaks. So I actually found this piece.
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  I'm actually from the Los Angeles Times from May 9th.
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  It was, it looks like it was a piece where they were, I can't
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  tell if they were getting ready for Twin.
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  I can't tell, but it was called Backwoods Where and it was a
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  piece where they had some some quotes from Sarah Markowitz and
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  it just had a little bit of a insight into what was happening
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  here on Twin Peaks. And they had a couple of quotes
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  that I thought was a good way to start our conversation into Twin
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  Peaks, Sarah was quoted as saying.
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  David felt very strongly that colors and textures had to match
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  the environment. The big, the big challenge is
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  not to have everyone in Plaid shirts and corduroy pants, said
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  costume designer Sarah Markowitz.
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  Which I think is interesting because you know we are going to
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  be talking about Plaid shirts and corduroy pants quite a bit
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  as we get into this series. Another thing that I thought was
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  interesting was that Sarah said manufacturers gave Markowitz
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  merchandise such as Periella suits and Harley-Davidson
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  leather trench coats. She also donate items from her
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  own closet, including an old Argyle sweater, a new black
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  dress. Shopping took place at Banana
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  Republic, Playmates on Hollywood Blvd. and plenty of thrift
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  stores. Markowitz also said she spent
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  $2000 in one day at the Salvation Army and also that
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  clothes were dry clean and the tags were removed so the
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  high-priced actors would not be offended by their low priced
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  costumes. Which is hilarious, but I mean,
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  that makes sense. I I would, I would really be
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  shocked to see any high-priced items in Twin Peaks 'cause that
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  this should not be a designer show.
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  No, when I think of. Twin Peaks unless you are
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  literally unless you are Josie. Like that's the only character I
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  would think would be pretty much sort of anything remotely close
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  to designer. Yeah, absolutely.
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  That's I that's so interesting that manufacturers gave her
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  things, I guess maybe from like David Lynch's.
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  Reputation. Only reason is because David
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  Lynch had like this catalog of incredible films.
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  At this point, that's the only reason.
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  Probably also did not know Harley-Davidson made trench
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  coats. It might be Harley Davidson's
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  contributions to our some of our teams, such as James of course.
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  Of course. Perhaps.
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  Speaking of our teens, the Riverdale before Riverdale
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  teens. Oh my gosh, that's so true.
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  We have Bobby Briggs and Shelly Johnson our our teenage.
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  Troubled lovers. Troubled lover?
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  Affair partners. And I'm like, really?
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  Assuming Shelley's a teenager, she talks about dropping out of
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  high school to marry that guy. So I'm like, what?
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  She's like, what, 1819? We are to assume like a majority
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  of these people are teenagers in this show even though we see
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  them all in like high school for like 2 episodes in this entire
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  series. Literally they talk about school
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  but they are never at school. I don't know how any of them are
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  graduating. They are all in school for like
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  the first like 3 episodes when Laura Palmer dies and then they
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  almost never come back until Nadine decides to go to high
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  school all of a sudden. Yes, yes.
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  Which catches me off guard. I I love Shelley, especially her
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  costumes in this show because, well, it's considered like a 90s
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  show. It's like right at the start of
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  the 90s. So there there's actually a lot
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  more 80s fashion, I would say than 90s.
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  But I feel like Shelly is really where that 90s, you know, is
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  starting to come in. Her and Bobby, the Plaid shirts,
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  her kind of like oversized off the shoulder, all of her get ups
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  and then her just like with a throwback of her like 1950s cute
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  little waitress outfit. I love the diner costumes that
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  like teal blue and the white. They're like, they're my
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  favorite diner costumes I think I've ever seen.
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  And same. I mean, I know it's not like too
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  like innovative in terms of the diner costume, but something
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  about like the combination of that color against that diner
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  production design, it just works so perfectly.
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  And I do love it 'cause like you can see how much thought has
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  gone into the diner and it's 'cause you would expect it's,
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  it's a small logging town. You would not expect much out of
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  the local diner. Yeah.
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  But clearly, like, the woman who runs it loves it.
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  Shelley loves her job. Everyone looks so good.
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  And you're like, oh, this is a community that, like, loves
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  where they are. Yeah, and they.
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  And loves what they. Do diner too.
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  Clearly. I mean, Shelley has to.
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  This is her escape from her clearly maniac, abusive husband.
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  So. Yeah, and we talked about this
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  in the last episode 2 Blue Velvet belt.
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  Like clearly like something that David Lynch and his films love
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  is like this timeless quality where like, yes, it takes place
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  in the 90s, but like his films seem to always have this like
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  quality where everything feels a little bit held backed.
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  But like like you said, like has like almost like an 80s feel.
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  It could even feel like at times like very 50s too at the same
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  time. Yeah, sure, it's in the 90s, but
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  it's almost like 90s fashion hasn't hit Twin Peaks yet,
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  though. You.
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  Know absolutely. That's very like Americana
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  though, for like small like in middle of nowhere towns,
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  everything. Everyone's just a little behind
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  the times, including Donna and James.
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  OH. I love Donna and James, I love
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  this couple, even though James just has to make mistake after
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  mistake every other episode. He just can't keep it in his
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  pants. I read.
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  Oh my gosh. He can't.
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  And he's like, he's like this Moody trouble teen who rides his
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  motorcycle and like, wears like the cool leather jackets, like
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  he's a greaser from the 50s. Oh my God, I love this guy, but
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  he is just every four to five episodes he's like, I gotta just
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  ride, man. And he just goes out into the
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  wilderness and he's like, sorry, Donna, I just had to go and run
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  into this lady out of mill nowhere and just move in with
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  her and just make out there for a couple of days.
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  But for no. Reason.
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  Don't worry, I'm. Still in love with you though,
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  don't worry. Like I don't know what was wrong
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  with me. This episode, directed by Diane
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  Keaton, doesn't change how I feel about you.
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  Do you think it's OK, James? I totally get it.
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  It happens. She is far too forgiving.
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  Her wardrobe is not though. It is kind of like the height of
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  the 80s. I would say like peak 80s Cool.
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  Totally Ferris Bueller's Day Off a little bit.
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  Yes, absolutely. Like her, her chunky socks, the
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  white sneakers, all of her sweaters, like Oh my goodness
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  she she is peak 80s. I want to say that's how I felt
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  about her. Yeah, she definitely has a
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  little bit of the 80s trend. She kind of also like takes
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  after James a little bit with like the leather jackets a
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  little bit. She kind of like, and we kind of
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  see this in the film Fire Walk With Me that she kind of also
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  like blurs the line a little bit between like the bad, the bad
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  boy look a little bit and like to like retain her innocence a
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  little bit because she wants, you know, her best friend was
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  Laura Palmer too. So she wants to like be in this
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  like, kind of like dangerous world, but she also wants to
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  like also stay away from that at the same time.
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  So she goes back and forth a little bit.
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  So you see that in her costumes, where she wants to be.
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  Like. Innocent and soft and cute, but
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  she also wants to get involved in all the danger as we see
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  throughout Twin Peaks. I mean because she she's a
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  teenager she wants to be included, but she also knows
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  there is like a very blurry line between what is and isn't safe.
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  Totally. I also love that James never
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  changes like he's one of the people wear his costume there.
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  Even in the return Twin Peaks return, I believe he shows up
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  basically looking the same. Literally he has denim jeans, a
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  leather jacket, and either a a Plaid shirt if he's being fancy
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  or like a plain black tee. That's it, that is it.
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  That's so dope. Honestly, I hope I show up for
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  the art of costume. You know, the 11 millionth
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  episode anniversary and I hope I'm wearing the same thing.
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  Spencer, I you've had a pretty solid wardrobe since you
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  graduated college, so I'm going to say that's a good bet that
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  that is what's going to happen. If there was 1 character that I
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  feel like really was like the fashion icon of Twin Peaks, it
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  would have to be Audrey Horn. I mean this was like the 90s
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  icon that I think like definitely like women were
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  looking to also. I mean, she was the girl that
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  had like the controlling father in Twin Peaks where she was
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  going to high school all like dressed up very preppy.
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  But then like she would like change her shoes when she got to
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  her Walker and put on like these like kind of like risque red hot
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  red heels. You know, trying to put it on
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  for like new FBI agent that was clearly a lot older than her.
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  Like, you know, just that angsty teen girl with the, like, really
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  kind of cute Plaid skirts. Yeah.
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  That's Audrey Horn for you it. Is and like I loved her wardrobe
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  cuz you could tell it was expensive and she comes from a
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  family of means but also a very dysfunctional family.
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  So and like she was probably the person with the most costume
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  pieces cuz I'm sure all her father does to placate her is
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  throw money at her. And they literally own a
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  department store. So she can probably go in there
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  grab whatever she wants and walk out.
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  That's true. Anybody asking her any
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  questions? So yeah, I liked her.
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  I felt like her for the teenagers.
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  She definitely had the most sophisticated look because she
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  is trying to be more adult and have like some control over her
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  life and what's happening 'cause she has a very chaotic
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  existence. Yeah, she's basically on her own
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  for a majority of the time, so she's making all of these
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  choices. And yeah, her dad's just
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  throwing money at her to just kind of keep her quiet and
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  preoccupied while he's doing all sorts of weird stuff until all
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  comes crashing down. And then she's really just kind
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  of, you know, running things. And she kind of then at that
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  point really elevates herself and becomes like a businesswoman
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  on her own. So she's a really interesting
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  character in terms of Twin Peaks and costume design.
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  Absolutely. After the teens, probably our
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  most important set of characters are those in the Sheriff's
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  Department. Oh man.
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  I love. I love the Sheriff's Department.
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  Same, same. And I, I think they actually
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  might have less costume pieces than James because literally all
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  they do is like wear their uniforms.
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  You know, Sheriff Truman does have like a pretty cool, like,
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  Plaid wool coat and a cowboy hat.
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  But like Deputy Hawk, Deputy Andy, they're just chilling
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  constantly in their uniforms. I love it though.
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  I love just like small town Sheriff's Office that just like
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  is the same group of people and they have the routine, you know,
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  they come in, they always have like the aggressive boxes of
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  doughnuts. They love their boxes, boxes and
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  boxes. I don't know how they get
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  through all these boxes of doughnuts.
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  Honestly, There's not enough people in this office to get
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  through them all. God, I love this group of
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  people. So I love Sheriff Truman's coat
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  'cause this is very Pacific Northwest.
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  It's like a Plaid overcoat that he throws on every morning.
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  I mean, with the cup of coffee, like as an accessory.
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  Honestly, when you're walking around outdoors, like that cup
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  of coffee mug, that mug is like an accessory to the Plaid
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  overcoat. I.
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  Also love like with the Plaid overcoat.
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  He's almost like this is my fancy sheriff coat.
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  Yeah, yeah. Which it?
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  Absolutely is not. Sheriff Truman's probably my
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  second favorite character. I don't know, he just something
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  bound just has like such a comforting presence if he was my
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  sheriff. Yeah, You know, I'd probably
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  vote for him in local elections, honestly, because I know even
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  even if he wasn't, you know, catching the killer, I know he's
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  trying. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I do love Andy, though.
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  Deputy Andy and Hawk. I love Hawk.
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  I really do like all these. Hawk is great.
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  I love Hawk. I've and I was so happy to see
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  Hawk and Andy come back for return, too.
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  That's so, so great. Andy's so funny.
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  I don't know how he got a job in this department, but that's not
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  for me to say no. I guess there's not a lot, not
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  big employment pool in Twin Peaks, but you know.
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  And I feel like only recently they started to have to deal
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  with a major crime. Yeah.
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  Yeah, that's true, but. Spencer, do you want to talk
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  about my favorite character? Please.
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  We've got Lucy the. Sheriff.
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  Department secretary? Oh my gosh, talk about 80s
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  fucking fashion. Her.
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  Cardigans her sweaters, Half the time she's sitting at a desk so
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  they give her these like, fantastic collars with lace and
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  these huge broaches. Like what a style icon?
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  She's hilarious and then she also, because she's seen that
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  desk, her hair is as high as possible to make sure people
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  could see her. And she has like the very like
• 24:24
  at the top of your head, like that's very 90s top of your head
• 24:28
  like ponytail. And then this she has the side
• 24:32
  like not our like truly 80s side ponytail, but a side ponytail
• 24:37
  all the same. Like, and I was just like, yes,
• 24:41
  Lucy. And like, good on you having two
• 24:44
  potential baby daddies in this small, small town.
• 24:47
  You get it, girl. Like.
• 24:50
  Clearly Lucy can't get it, even though she's often confused.
• 24:55
  She's the best. And I, yeah, I love the fact
• 24:57
  that everyone in this town is fawning over her as they should,
• 25:01
  because Lucy is the true catch of twin feaks.
• 25:04
  She's fantastic. She's hilarious and she has
• 25:08
  style and she's always, I love that every costume, the ones
• 25:12
  that we're looking at, she's always doing like a high, low
• 25:15
  thing. She has these embellished
• 25:18
  collars, she's mixing prints. She's she's doing all the things
• 25:22
  she has like a interesting necklace, or I mean, there's
• 25:27
  always something. There's always something and I
• 25:29
  love like, yes, she's the secretary, but they did it.
• 25:33
  Like they could have made her very drab, but she's clearly
• 25:36
  like young and fun and that's how she dresses.
• 25:39
  Right. Lucy should have been in the
• 25:44
  running for the Miss Twin Peaks pageant, but we'll she.
• 25:47
  Should have. Yeah, she should have.
• 25:49
  She's potentially my Miss Twin Peaks, but we got to talk about
• 25:53
  some townies because there's a lot of interesting characters in
• 25:56
  Twin Peaks that. OK.
• 25:58
  You know, there's some people that was just like, I don't know
• 26:00
  who, who comes up with these people and some storylines.
• 26:03
  I was like, I don't even know what's going on, but I just know
• 26:06
  I love this person. And it was.
• 26:11
  They were all a trip. First off, the log lady.
• 26:16
  Possibly my spirit animal. Pour one out for Log Lady please
• 26:22
  because. The log lady was incredible.
• 26:25
  The glasses, the cardigans, her log baby.
• 26:29
  Can we just? Say Elizabeth and I have been
• 26:31
  talking about this for weeks, but we really were going to come
• 26:34
  to set today with logs, but we just ended up, but we just ran
• 26:37
  out of time. I just we, we just didn't go out
• 26:40
  and bite firewood. But like, honestly, like if I
• 26:46
  moved to the Pacific Northwest and just decided to like be kind
• 26:49
  of crazy, I think this is what I would do.
• 26:54
  My log is telling me that I need to tell you all that this is
• 26:59
  potentially one of my one costumes to rule them all.
• 27:02
  Good choice. Good choice.
• 27:07
  She's just hilarious. I mean, and also like looking at
• 27:12
  her now, I'm like, I do see. I'm looking at you, Elizabeth.
• 27:16
  It is kind of like. You see the resemblance?
• 27:28
  The resemblance is kind of creepy.
• 27:31
  You can see me being crazy like this, right?
• 27:34
  Yeah, I love that she brings her log everywhere too.
• 27:38
  Like, she'll show up to the diner and be like, you know, a
• 27:42
  coffee for me and one for the log, please.
• 27:44
  What she's supposed to do, leave it at home alone.
• 27:47
  It knows things, Spencer. It needs.
• 27:49
  To observe the town I love. In the return, what she calls
• 27:53
  Hawk and she's like relaying messages from the log to Hawk
• 27:59
  and he's just like, right, right.
• 28:01
  And like telling Sheriff Truman's brother being like,
• 28:05
  yeah. And he's totally like, matter of
• 28:07
  fact, like, well, the log said blah, blah, blah.
• 28:09
  And Sheriff Truman's brother's like, so the log and he's like,
• 28:13
  yes, like that's what the log said.
• 28:16
  Get with it. Because he has seen the log be
• 28:20
  correct. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:24
  I'm sorry, are you new here? He he was.
• 28:27
  He was. But we also have the best
• 28:36
  husband in Twin Peaks, probably Big Ed Hurley in Twin Peaks.
• 28:43
  None of the husbands in Twin Peaks are great, but considering
• 28:48
  what he's up against. That is fair, that is.
• 28:51
  Fair like. Big Ed, who is also kind of like
• 28:55
  in love with someone else, but he still does it in a very I
• 29:00
  guess. I mean, he's not like, I guess
• 29:05
  he's not like going behind her back completely in the way I
• 29:10
  guess and. He's taking care of her.
• 29:12
  It's not like he's like ignoring her or anything like.
• 29:16
  We're talking about Big Ed and his wife.
• 29:19
  Wife, right? They're married.
• 29:22
  Yeah, yeah. Big Ed and his wife, Nadine
• 29:26
  Hurley. Yeah, Nadine is a trip.
• 29:29
  Nadine. It is a trip, although quite
• 29:34
  frankly she dresses pretty well even when she loses most of her
• 29:38
  memory and thinks she's in high school like.
• 29:41
  Yeah, so I have to admit, I think I fell asleep when
• 29:45
  whatever happened that made her lose her memory because I woke
• 29:49
  up and next thing you know, she's in high school in the
• 29:51
  cheerleading uniform. Trigger warning she took too
• 29:57
  many sleeping pills. Oh, I do remember that.
• 30:01
  Yes. OK.
• 30:03
  Yeah. So I guess I just don't remember
• 30:06
  whatever happened to lead her to do that, I guess is what
• 30:09
  happened. Oh, I think she couldn't get a
• 30:13
  patent for for her blind invention.
• 30:18
  OK, yeah, See that's that's that's the blind spot I forgot.
• 30:22
  I guess that's that's the Gray area that I must have missed.
• 30:25
  I. I I'm pretty sure that that was
• 30:28
  unfortunately Nadine's trigger event.
• 30:34
  OK. But he has a big Ed and Nadine.
• 30:37
  Such a great couple. Well was a great couple until
• 30:41
  they both went their separate ways I guess.
• 30:44
  Nadine in high school, some great moments.
• 30:48
  But no, Nadine did have a great great fashion sense before she
• 30:53
  went off the deep end and ended up in high school again.
• 30:56
  But those were some fun, fun costume moments, seeing her in
• 31:00
  high school again. Absolutely, absolutely.
• 31:05
  That was wild. Gosh, but I think my other
• 31:09
  favorite character though, in terms of costumes has to be
• 31:13
  Josie though. Josie looked incredible the
• 31:17
  entire time. Josie was high fashion.
• 31:20
  Yeah, Josie, like new style. She the moment I saw her, I was
• 31:25
  like, Oh yeah, this is one of the characters we talked about
• 31:28
  in the episode. And like her big fur coat, just
• 31:31
  like watch just watching them examine poor Laura's body.
• 31:38
  Like she was like man she might have killed her for all I know,
• 31:43
  but literally she looks good doing it.
• 31:46
  She did like, and I love that. Like, they're very much like,
• 31:50
  yeah, she just goes to Seattle and shops every now and then and
• 31:53
  she just comes back when she comes back.
• 31:55
  Yeah, yeah. And actually, it's funny you
• 31:59
  said that cause from that newspaper clipping, Sarah
• 32:03
  Markowitz actually said everything about her is out of
• 32:05
  place. My feeling is she shops in
• 32:08
  Seattle or New York or somewhere from her past and we just don't
• 32:11
  know about it. So that's why when you see her,
• 32:13
  she so feels different from everyone in Twin Peaks because
• 32:17
  she doesn't shop in Twin Peaks. She's not buying the flannels
• 32:21
  and the all these other prints. She does not buy her clothes
• 32:25
  here. She goes somewhere.
• 32:26
  Else Yeah. And she, you know, she has a ton
• 32:31
  of money because she's a widow who inherited like a butt load
• 32:38
  of money. And so she has the freedom to
• 32:40
  just hop on a plane, get out of there and go shopping.
• 32:44
  Yeah, exactly. That also brings us to two other
• 32:50
  characters, Catherine. And Pete?
• 32:53
  I loved Pete. Pete was a sweet baby Angel.
• 32:57
  He was but his wife though. Spooky lady.
• 33:02
  So spooky, like Pete, he's so clear.
• 33:06
  Like he just looks like a fisherman at all times.
• 33:09
  Like. That's.
• 33:11
  Fair. Like kind of like he looks like
• 33:13
  he belongs in the Andy Griffith Show.
• 33:15
  Like, like those were the vibes I was receiving from Pete.
• 33:22
  And then Katherine just, you know, she's well dressed, but
• 33:28
  she's Twin Peaks well dressed. She like, yeah, she can go to
• 33:32
  the department store and buy whatever she wants, but she's
• 33:36
  still not leaving Twin Peaks to buy anything.
• 33:39
  Yeah, she gives like, like business woman type.
• 33:44
  Like she could go to like like the head of like a table at any
• 33:49
  like serious business meeting and everyone would pay attention
• 33:53
  to her type. And she means business and she's
• 33:57
  she's scary. You know she's.
• 33:59
  She's terrifying, my gosh. I don't she she makes me
• 34:03
  nervous. Scary is definitely a little bit
• 34:06
  of an understatement when it comes to her, but you know who
• 34:11
  absolutely is not scary? Spencer.
• 34:15
  My hero, Special Agent Dale Cooper.
• 34:19
  Special Agent Dale Cooper, another baby Angel of this
• 34:22
  series. Played by the great Kyle
• 34:25
  McLaughlin. I love him.
• 34:28
  I absolutely love him. He is by far my favorite
• 34:32
  character of the series. I I have to admit I'm not down
• 34:37
  with Twin Peaks return. I have just a few more episodes.
• 34:40
  I'm not sure where we're going with his character yet, so don't
• 34:44
  tell me, but in terms of twin pixo, he was like the best.
• 34:52
  And I love his costumes because they're hilarious to me.
• 34:57
  Because I love the commitment to the bit of wearing this fucking
• 35:01
  overcoat from beginning to end. Because clearly, like the
• 35:06
  uniform of the FBI, for some reason, it is like this weird,
• 35:11
  like almost like men in black overcoat where they just have to
• 35:15
  wear it no matter the weather, time of day, indoor, outdoor,
• 35:21
  you know, at the beach. I mean, I no matter what, we got
• 35:27
  to wear this overcoat. I very much think because there
• 35:31
  is like a an alienish element to this show.
• 35:38
  Like there's some stuff about outer space.
• 35:40
  So I feel like they don't fully go into it.
• 35:43
  So I very much think like him and his colleagues are supposed
• 35:47
  to be the men in black. It feels that way especially
• 35:50
  when a spoiler alert when we get into Fire Walk with Me, when
• 35:53
  David Bowie shows up all the sun, I was like, OK, are we
• 35:56
  watching Men in Black? Literally.
• 36:00
  And like, I love there is a part in Season 2 where, you know,
• 36:05
  Special Agent Dale Cooper is taking off active duty, and one
• 36:09
  of his coworkers comes along and is like, you know, we dress so
• 36:13
  stylishly, but you pull off the Plaid look.
• 36:19
  It's so funny. 'Cause they actually all do look
• 36:22
  really good. It's like they don't just wear
• 36:24
  like stuffy suits, they wear like tailored suits.
• 36:28
  Like all the FBI agents who come to Twin Peaks look fucking good.
• 36:34
  Yeah, they always look good. I'm like and like the overcoats
• 36:37
  never look bad. It's just like a hilarious like
• 36:40
  kind of uniform that's always like big and like for them.
• 36:45
  To be. For them to be like agents to
• 36:48
  that are usually not supposed to be like noticeable, they're
• 36:51
  like, clearly noticeable. Especially when you meet David
• 36:55
  Lynch's character, Gordon Cole, the most noticeable person
• 37:00
  you'll ever meet. Like you know?
• 37:03
  Absolutely. I don't think they're supposed
• 37:05
  to be inconspicuous, but I I think they're supposed to be
• 37:08
  like distinguished and clean cut.
• 37:11
  But they do it very well. Yeah, but you do see Dale Cooper
• 37:16
  and like some, he's not always wearing an overcoat like I am
• 37:19
  being like exaggerating a little bit, but he wears it a lot,
• 37:21
  which I do love. He does wear like some tailored
• 37:24
  suits occasionally and just. His pyjama sets.
• 37:28
  Yeah, he wears the pyjama sets. He does wear the timing suits
• 37:31
  occasionally and he always does look like really tailored and
• 37:35
  fine all time. It's no wonder why.
• 37:37
  You know some of the characters like follow them quite easily.
• 37:43
  Even the underage quote UN quote like teenager characters.
• 37:48
  Yeah, he handles it very well though.
• 37:51
  He does, Yeah. God give it credit to Adele
• 37:53
  Cooper. He's surrounded by temptations
• 37:56
  in this town, and he is a professional through and
• 37:59
  through. Absolutely.
• 38:00
  He doesn't fall to temptation 'cause he puts it all to bed.
• 38:06
  Oh, I guess that's not a way to put it.
• 38:08
  But not in that bed he puts it away in.
• 38:12
  He he very politely. Says.
• 38:15
  No, thank you. But I can be like a Big Brother.
• 38:20
  He's like, do you need to talk about your problems?
• 38:23
  I I can help you. I can help you with that at the.
• 38:27
  Cafe. Not in my hotel room though.
• 38:31
  Yeah, yeah. But he always looks good.
• 38:35
  He comes from like, he almost feels kind of like outer
• 38:39
  spacious, like he comes from another town.
• 38:42
  He just looks like you're like, whoa, this guy's not from Twin
• 38:44
  Peaks. He's not from here.
• 38:46
  No, he's not. So especially when he's next to
• 38:49
  like, Sheriff Truman, you're like, these people are from like
• 38:51
  two different worlds. Two entirely different worlds,
• 38:55
  but the world in Twin Peaks is fairly diverse because we've got
• 39:00
  One Eyed Jacks and yeah. It's.
• 39:05
  Interesting. It reminds me of like when we
• 39:07
  were talking about Blue Velvet. Remember when we watched that,
• 39:10
  like, interview of like that Canadian news channel and they
• 39:14
  were like, what's the point of Blue Velvet?
• 39:15
  And they were just talking about like, oh, it's like about this,
• 39:18
  like, seems like a perfect town. But then you get into like this
• 39:21
  criminal underworld and you're like, oh, like this perfect town
• 39:25
  you thought, like it's actually not so perfect.
• 39:27
  There's like this whole different world underneath.
• 39:29
  There's like an evil underbelly to.
• 39:32
  It you get to Twin Peaks and you're like, hi, do you not see
• 39:36
  this like weird? Like where all the teenage girls
• 39:40
  apparently work. Yeah, and like you get to 1 Eyed
• 39:44
  Jacks and we have this like weird casino themed, like
• 39:48
  brothel type. It's really bizarre, actually.
• 39:52
  And like, I was really curious, 'cause I was like, I guess they
• 39:57
  made all of these. I don't know.
• 39:59
  But then when you said she shopped at Playmates on
• 40:02
  Hollywood Blvd., I was like. That's that makes sense.
• 40:07
  That makes sense 'cause. I'm like all of these, like,
• 40:11
  girls are like really intricately dressed up.
• 40:14
  Like I was kind of shocked if they had made all of this
• 40:17
  themselves. But.
• 40:19
  Getting it from the playmates, that makes sense.
• 40:21
  Yeah, almost looks like Playmates, but then maybe like,
• 40:24
  you know, lots of like, I don't know, maybe like some playing
• 40:27
  cards. Yeah, cleverly attached,
• 40:30
  perhaps. I'm not sure, like some custom
• 40:33
  head pieces. I'm not sure.
• 40:35
  I don't want to speak for them. But yeah, One eyed Jacks was
• 40:39
  like such an interesting world, though.
• 40:43
  I'm sure some of it's custom of course, but not sure how much of
• 40:47
  it. Yeah, I'm sure some of it is.
• 40:51
  Maybe for our like principal cast.
• 40:53
  Yeah, I probably for Audrey, I would assume that was, you know,
• 40:59
  custom made, but like the amount of background characters in one
• 41:05
  eye jacks, like they are dressed to the nines.
• 41:10
  So I was like and it cuz it's season one.
• 41:12
  I'm like they probably didn't have that great of a budget.
• 41:17
  So interesting. It's such AI loved it because it
• 41:21
  was so different from everything else we were seeing in Twin
• 41:25
  Peaks. Yeah, it was spooky.
• 41:28
  It definitely like, put the whole thing in perspective and
• 41:32
  you're like, oof, whatever trouble Laura Palmer got into,
• 41:35
  you're like, there's something a lot, a lot deeper and scarier,
• 41:39
  scarier here. And it's really just the
• 41:41
  beginning, but there were some other fun moments that were
• 41:46
  happening here in Twin Peaks that I was excited about.
• 41:50
  And one of them was the Twin Peaks Fashion Show that was like
• 41:53
  also a charity for some sort of like, Weasel or something, I
• 41:58
  don't remember. They were trying, yeah, they
• 42:01
  were trying to save an endangered weasel and stop like
• 42:04
  that land development. But I love that this is strictly
• 42:10
  a fashion show for Plaid and checkered clothing pieces.
• 42:16
  You're. Right.
• 42:18
  Incredible incredible Andy doing his best to like shrut his
• 42:25
  stuff. It's like the best, like
• 42:28
  lumberjack, almost like inspired fashion show, just lots of as
• 42:33
  much Plaid as possible with like boots, scarves, hats, high
• 42:40
  collars. It's, I mean, it's quite
• 42:43
  perfect. As soon as I saw this episode, I
• 42:45
  was like, Oh yes, I got a bookmark.
• 42:47
  This, this is exactly what we're looking for.
• 42:50
  Even though this isn't exactly what the actual aesthetic of the
• 42:54
  show Twin Peaks is, it still is like probably what the general
• 42:59
  public thinks Twin Peaks is, though.
• 43:02
  It's it's funny, It's almost like making fun of itself.
• 43:04
  I think it is making. I think it's making fun of like,
• 43:08
  oh, the high fashion of, of, of the North Pacific Northwest is
• 43:13
  obviously all Plaid. Totally.
• 43:17
  It's like, this is what Sarah Markowitz's team was like.
• 43:19
  This is what people are going to think Twin Peaks is on paper,
• 43:22
  you know? Yeah, Yeah.
• 43:25
  Even though it was actually so much more sophisticated than
• 43:28
  that. Absolutely, although there was 1
• 43:32
  spectacle that it was maybe a little more fun and ridiculous.
• 43:39
  Miss Twin Peaks pageant. Oh my gosh.
• 43:42
  They kept talking about the Twin Peaks pageant for episodes and I
• 43:46
  was like, if they don't actually show this pageant, I'm going to
• 43:48
  be pissed. Oh I would have been so mad.
• 43:51
  But then them showing up and like the Plaid dresses with like
• 43:55
  the clear, like overcoats and bow ties for that musical.
• 44:03
  What? It was so fun you didn't like
• 44:10
  it. Oh, I loved it.
• 44:12
  Oh my gosh, I loved it. But that's like not what I was
• 44:16
  expecting from like. It was a little bit small.
• 44:20
  Town It was a. Little odd, but yeah, it was
• 44:22
  kind of like AI was like who who in this town designed like all
• 44:26
  of their looks. It had to been.
• 44:28
  It had to been someone. It was potential baby daddy #2
• 44:35
  for for Lucy. That that.
• 44:40
  That weird guy. That weird British guy.
• 44:44
  That weird British guy, right? Of course, of course.
• 44:48
  Yeah. Everyone looked so good though.
• 44:52
  So good it. Was crazy.
• 44:54
  I was like, Oh my gosh, everyone in this cast is so attractive.
• 44:57
  It's kind of ridiculous. And like, that was like, such a
• 45:01
  good showing of 80s evening wear, like Donna's, like, big
• 45:10
  red bow across her chest, the woman who won Miss Twin Peaks,
• 45:15
  the shoulder pads on that thing, like, incredible.
• 45:21
  So good. The pageant was so much fun.
• 45:24
  Of course they got ruined by like, you know, the the.
• 45:26
  Evil spirits evil. Spirits and Bob and all of his
• 45:31
  nonsense. Freaking Bob.
• 45:34
  Bob ruins everything but still such a great pageant.
• 45:39
  I love pageants. They had the sparkling hats of
• 45:42
  course the bow ties. They had like the little Plaid
• 45:46
  like pieces on their arms too. It was so much fun.
• 45:50
  And the Dean was there for eye patch too like everyone was
• 45:54
  there. It was perfect.
• 45:56
  Such a great pageant. There it was.
• 45:58
  It was such a perfect way to end our time in Twin Peaks before
• 46:02
  going to the end of the series in the Black Lodge, one of the
• 46:07
  scariest places ever presented to us on television.
• 46:12
  It was spooky. So at first in like the first
• 46:15
  two, like in the pilot, you know, I was like, I like this
• 46:19
  place, like the Red Room to Black Lodge.
• 46:21
  I was like, I like it here. Like you see the man from
• 46:25
  another place, like dancing. I was like, I like it here.
• 46:28
  I want to spend more time. By the end of the series, I was
• 46:31
  like, I actually never want to go there again.
• 46:33
  Who's? Not a good place you.
• 46:36
  Know, and I, I think I texted you because at this point I was
• 46:40
  actually ahead of you. Yeah.
• 46:42
  And I what had happened was I was watching the pageant episode
• 46:48
  and I fell asleep because I was, I was like, I'm going to finish
• 46:52
  this season tonight. Yeah.
• 46:55
  And I fell asleep during the pageant episode, and I woke up
• 46:59
  during the last episode of season 2 when Cooper is in the
• 47:05
  Black Lodge. And I woke up to Laura Palmer
• 47:09
  fucking screaming when she had like those possessed eyes.
• 47:14
  And you know me, my volume is always cranked up.
• 47:20
  And her scream woke me up like I was getting ready to get
• 47:24
  murdered. And I was like in a hot sweat
• 47:41
  and I was like, Oh my gosh. So I quickly, I like pause it
• 47:45
  and start over. And I was like, oh, great.
• 47:47
  Like I just knew. I was like, cool.
• 47:49
  I have like a Black Lodge episode coming up.
• 47:52
  Oh yeah. And sure enough, we did.
• 47:55
  But yeah, let's talk about the Black Lodge, that that's a
• 47:59
  incredible place. It is interesting aesthetic.
• 48:03
  I love everything about it. Yeah, the red, the black and
• 48:08
  white, the man from another place being dressed entirely in
• 48:12
  red, I guess to match the drapes.
• 48:16
  I don't know. And then Laura just there and
• 48:20
  like her lovely dress, looking like, you know, the homecoming
• 48:25
  queen that she was. Yeah.
• 48:29
  The giant just showing up there just being like, you want some
• 48:34
  coffee like. What?
• 48:36
  Yeah, I honestly, I don't know. Like, I really don't know.
• 48:42
  I haven't finished returns so I haven't been able to like
• 48:46
  patrolled the Reddit boards yet, so I don't have much more to say
• 48:49
  about the black Elodge yet until I finish.
• 48:51
  So I feel disarmed with information yet.
• 48:54
  I don't know, but I just know I love everything about it.
• 48:58
  I love the colours and the use of pattern.
• 49:03
  It's just one of the most beautiful aesthetics I've ever
• 49:06
  seen. I love everything about it.
• 49:08
  As terrifying of places as it is, I just love every scene that
• 49:13
  takes place in it. I just love seeing it.
• 49:16
  It's just so cool to look. And I love like all the behind
• 49:19
  the scenes, like, you know, film.
• 49:22
  I get to see it, like David Lynch directing, you know, any
• 49:26
  cast in there or like there's some great footage of him and
• 49:31
  Cheryl Lee in on the set, like directing her in those sets.
• 49:36
  It's just so fun. Like, watch him and her, like,
• 49:38
  have those moments on that set. It's really just so cool to
• 49:41
  watch. It's just such a beautiful set.
• 49:43
  So yeah, that kind of brings us to the end of Twin Peaks, the
• 49:50
  original series, but we're not done yet.
• 49:53
  We're not done yet. Right after Twin Peaks ends,
• 49:58
  David Lynch takes us back in time to just just before the
• 50:03
  events of Twin Peaks in Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me.
• 50:08
  And I must say, for the first like half hour of this film,
• 50:11
  very confused. I was like, nobody here is in
• 50:17
  Twin Peaks. We're not into what is
• 50:19
  happening. Yeah, at first we got Gordon
• 50:22
  Cole played by David Lynch with. I was like, if we got David
• 50:26
  Lynch playing Gordon Cole, we're going to be fine because I think
• 50:28
  he's honestly such a hilarious character.
• 50:32
  I could. If I had just a three hour movie
• 50:35
  with him just yelling at people, I would be totally fine.
• 50:40
  Agent Dale. Cooper.
• 50:43
  Gordon, I hope you haven't been waiting too long.
• 50:45
  I. Didn't just get here.
• 50:46
  I've been waiting the whole afternoon to see you.
• 50:48
  Gordon what can I do for? You, no matter whatsoever, no
• 50:51
  apology necessary, Gave me a chance to meet the local law
• 50:54
  enforcement team. A great bunch, Cooper.
• 51:00
  You remind me today of a small Mexican Chihuahua.
• 51:07
  Can I speak to you a moment in Private Coup?
• 51:09
  Of course Gordon. He was hilarious.
• 51:11
  Then we had that character with the red wig and the red dress
• 51:15
  and the blue rose, and I was like, OK, like we we have
• 51:19
  something here. But then when David Bowie walked
• 51:22
  in, I was like, what the fuck is this movie?
• 51:25
  Yeah. I was so shocked.
• 51:29
  First, like the lady in the wig, the dress, the flat.
• 51:33
  I was so confused. I was, and everyone's acting
• 51:37
  like it was totally normal. And then that they explained
• 51:40
  that she's basically like, like you have to decipher all of her
• 51:44
  things to figure out like your next assignment, 'cause it's
• 51:47
  that like big top secret that like they can't just write it
• 51:51
  down and give it to you. I was like, OK, this is Twin
• 51:55
  Peaks crazy. OK, I get it.
• 51:57
  I get it. But David, I was like laying on
• 52:01
  my couch and David Bowie walked through the door and I, like,
• 52:05
  sat up so quickly. I wasn't dizzy.
• 52:10
  I was like, the fuck is David Bowie doing here?
• 52:14
  And then he just disappears. And.
• 52:17
  Like he's wearing this incredible like like Pearl Gray
• 52:22
  suit with like a not quite like Hawaiian print shirt under it.
• 52:28
  And like clearly, like I feel like he was undercover wherever
• 52:33
  he went missing 'cause he it, it's still like FBI tailored,
• 52:39
  very like clean cut, but it's not like the standard like dark
• 52:45
  suit and tie look. But also like, could David Lynch
• 52:50
  put David Bowie in that? I don't think so.
• 52:53
  I think he had to give him a little bit more.
• 52:56
  Yeah, I, I don't understand what his character was up to.
• 53:01
  I that's again, something I'm going to have to look up when
• 53:04
  I'm finally done with all of my Twin Peaks watching.
• 53:07
  But I was caught off guard. Of course.
• 53:10
  David Bowie looks incredible. He always does.
• 53:12
  It's he's incapable of not looking good.
• 53:16
  But he he does feel like he is dressed like one of the agents
• 53:21
  perhaps. So I think there is some sort of
• 53:23
  relation, but then again, like we were talking about earlier
• 53:26
  where he does feel like he's also related to some sort of
• 53:31
  like conspiracy too at the same time where I was like, I don't
• 53:34
  know, feels kind of like alien or entity related.
• 53:39
  I don't know, something feels off he.
• 53:42
  Is an FBI agent. They talk about that in Firewalk
• 53:45
  with me. Right.
• 53:47
  Like, yeah, I'm just saying something feels off of this guy
• 53:51
  too. At the same time, I don't know,
• 53:55
  the whole 1st 30 minutes of this movie, I was like looking for
• 53:59
  the Tylenol. Yeah, that's yeah.
• 54:02
  I was actually relieved to see Laura Palmer and actually Bob
• 54:07
  and Leland Palmer. Honestly, I was like, oh God,
• 54:10
  OK, I know these people. My gosh, Bob is so terrifying
• 54:15
  and like, so. Let's talk about Bob.
• 54:18
  Let's talk about Bob. Bob just looks like someone you
• 54:21
  would see in Portland like. All the listeners in Portland
• 54:27
  just have after like, wait a minute.
• 54:29
  No, he's got like his G like he it's just like looking at him
• 54:34
  objectively, he's just like got his like long cool hair, his
• 54:39
  like denim jacket. I think his he has like a Plaid
• 54:43
  shirt on and just like very utilitarian pants, like just
• 54:47
  like normal guy. But the way Bob acts horrifying.
• 54:57
  Like, I didn't, I didn't think I would ever see a denim coat and
• 55:01
  be like, but that's what Bob does to a denim jacket.
• 55:07
  Is make you slightly. Terrified.
• 55:11
  I agree with you, remember, and like I think it was, it might
• 55:13
  have been season 1 of Twin Peaks.
• 55:15
  The moment when Bob like have like like jumps over the couch
• 55:20
  and he's like, I honestly, I feel like I was gonna jump over
• 55:23
  my couch. Oh my gosh.
• 55:25
  I was. So I was terrified.
• 55:27
  Just when like he's like creeping behind something and
• 55:31
  you only see him for like half a second.
• 55:32
  I was. Like I just got chills just
• 55:36
  talking about it. Actually, I was afraid.
• 55:38
  Bob was gonna come through my window and like, smash me away.
• 55:43
  He's so terrifying, Bob. He played by Frank Silva
• 55:48
  terrifying. It's one of the scariest
• 55:50
  villains we've probably ever covered on this podcast.
• 55:54
  And he just looks like a regular.
• 55:57
  He honestly, he captures almost like a regular, the way I'd put
• 56:03
  it honestly like a regular, like 80s, kind of like serial killer,
• 56:07
  like almost like a Night Stalker type villain.
• 56:11
  Honestly, like a like a like a Richard Ramirez type where it's
• 56:15
  just like like you would pass by him on the street, but kind of
• 56:19
  gives you like the lawn care denim type of freaky.
• 56:23
  Yeah, just like a something's just a little off.
• 56:25
  And I, I was like, Oh my gosh, this guy is such a good actor.
• 56:29
  And I so I went to like, go see what else he done.
• 56:34
  And unfortunately, Frank Silva passed away in 1995.
• 56:40
  Bob was the only character he had ever played.
• 56:44
  He. He was actually in set design
• 56:50
  and a prop master for David Lynch on other projects.
• 56:55
  And then I don't know how he became Bob, but but he was in
• 57:04
  the TV show, the film, and then I think they've used footage of
• 57:08
  him since. But that's something that David
• 57:10
  Lynch likes to do though, because like one of the agents
• 57:13
  he uses in the return, one of the women agents that he takes
• 57:17
  to like the prison when he goes and visits one of the like
• 57:20
  doppelgangers of Dale Cooper. She's also like one of I believe
• 57:26
  she works on like the music of Twin Peaks or like works on
• 57:31
  music with David Lynch too. Like he just like uses people in
• 57:36
  his orbit to like be in his project.
• 57:40
  So that makes sense that that's who Frank Silva was who David
• 57:43
  Lynch too. He was like, Hey, you want to be
• 57:45
  this this Bob character. So that's cool.
• 57:50
  Well, recipes to Frank Silva. He did a great job even though
• 57:55
  he terrifies me. Terrifies.
• 57:58
  Terrifies all of us. And took Bob took over.
• 58:02
  Poor Leland Palmer. Just the creepiest.
• 58:09
  You really didn't like Leland Palmer?
• 58:12
  No, fuck Leland Palmer. Yeah, I knew.
• 58:17
  I knew it was Leland Palmer from the moment I started watching
• 58:20
  the show. That I actually felt proud of
• 58:21
  myself, that I called it 'cause I was like, I knew The second
• 58:25
  they like told him that his daughter died and he had that
• 58:28
  overreaction, I was like, I know.
• 58:30
  It's. Oh, I would not call that an
• 58:33
  overreaction if you're just if you were told your only child
• 58:38
  has been brutally murdered. But I think.
• 58:41
  That's a pretty reasonable reaction.
• 58:43
  Right. But I meant like the overacting
• 58:46
  of Leland Palmer in the sense of like, he like really gave, like
• 58:51
  he the way he was acting. That was like, OK, he's like,
• 58:54
  really, he's really like laying it all out in this lobby.
• 58:59
  But then, like, he started having like, these like, scenes
• 59:01
  where he was like, you know, dancing by himself and like, he
• 59:06
  was like, really spiraling. And I just felt like he was
• 59:08
  really calling a lot of attention to himself.
• 59:11
  I just never was buying it from the beginning, is what I'm
• 59:13
  saying. And I just felt like he was the
• 59:16
  father. And I just, I don't know, I was
• 59:18
  just always on to his ass from the beginning.
• 59:21
  And I just wasn't surprised. So you were possessed by a
• 59:26
  possibly H ancient demonic spirit, I think.
• 59:29
  I think you'd act a little odd as well.
• 59:31
  Spencer I. Don't know, I just don't have.
• 59:35
  I guess I just don't feel bad for Leland Palmer.
• 59:38
  I'm sorry I watch Fire walk with me.
• 59:40
  I just don't have a lot of sympathy for this creepy ass
• 59:43
  dude. That's fair.
• 59:45
  You know who I have sympathy for, though, Spencer?
• 59:50
  Poor Laura Palmer. Seriously.
• 59:53
  What an icon, what a legend. Didn't deserve anything that
• 59:59
  happened to her and she was slowly but surely driven crazy
• 1:00:03
  by Bob. Yeah, Sheryl Lee gave a
• 1:00:09
  impeccable performance and Fire walk with me.
• 1:00:12
  Yeah, so good. I loved it.
• 1:00:16
  I love her costumes. I love that she like slowly
• 1:00:19
  gives like this, like you know, like we see like this.
• 1:00:22
  You see like this innocence of her, but you like during the day
• 1:00:26
  because see it like fade away from her as she has to like be
• 1:00:30
  this. Oh, as soon as the sunsets.
• 1:00:33
  It's gone. Yeah, you see this person, she
• 1:00:35
  doesn't want to be, but she has to be because she's like this
• 1:00:38
  hardened person where she has to like, fend for herself all the
• 1:00:43
  time. 'Cause she's trying to escape
• 1:00:46
  her creepy family dynamic thanks to Bob like.
• 1:00:51
  She's she finds out in real time that her the predator that she's
• 1:00:57
  running away from is her father and and it's it's just like this
• 1:01:02
  horrible realization. Then it's reflected in her
• 1:01:04
  costumes all the time. Or and at one point, lack of
• 1:01:08
  costumes. But yeah, Sheryl Lee as Laura
• 1:01:13
  Palmer is incredible. You get to see like this Angel
• 1:01:17
  costume toward the end, too. Oh.
• 1:01:19
  That Angel costume was so cool. So cool, beautiful.
• 1:01:24
  Yeah, I I, I loved Fire Walk with me.
• 1:01:28
  Actually, I was surprised by how much I loved that movie.
• 1:01:30
  I gave it a 5 out of five on. Letterbox I I was actually, I
• 1:01:36
  didn't think it was going to fit so seamlessly into the series
• 1:01:39
  'cause it was like, oh, it's a prequel and I was like, OK,
• 1:01:44
  what? Like, I didn't think they were
• 1:01:45
  going to explain slash, make the mystery broader, but yeah, it
• 1:01:53
  was perfect. And that Angel costume was the
• 1:01:57
  perfect costume to end that movie on 'cause it really sets
• 1:02:00
  up kind of the the image of Laura we get right off the bat
• 1:02:09
  in Twin Peaks, which is, you know, the Angel of the town, the
• 1:02:14
  homecoming queen, oh so sweet and innocent.
• 1:02:17
  Like how you view the town at first, but like, like her, you
• 1:02:22
  slowly pull back the layers and it's that's just not, it's not
• 1:02:26
  what's happening. Yeah, totally.
• 1:02:28
  Like she, you know, a lot of the things that happened to her were
• 1:02:32
  like, so not her fault and you just feel so awful for her, but
• 1:02:36
  they're also like, there was a lot of things that was happening
• 1:02:40
  to her that you're like, oh, Laura, like what's going on
• 1:02:43
  here? Like, you know, like just she
• 1:02:45
  was like wrapped up in so many awful things that you just want
• 1:02:48
  to like, you want to scream. It's just so bad.
• 1:02:52
  But. Yeah, so.
• 1:02:54
  Bad. So I want to get into it.
• 1:02:56
  Honestly, it's just rough. But Twin Peaks, Fire Walk with
• 1:02:58
  Me, such a great film. If you all haven't seen it,
• 1:03:00
  please, please go check it out. It's an incredible film.
• 1:03:03
  It's actually on the crate in the Criterion Collection too, so
• 1:03:07
  if you get a hold of it, I believe there's a lot of great
• 1:03:10
  footage with Cheryl Lee where she talks about her character in
• 1:03:14
  detail too. So I want to get it.
• 1:03:16
  I don't have it yet, but I'm trying to get it.
• 1:03:18
  So I'm going to check it out soon.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah. And that brings us to the end of
• 1:03:25
  Twin Peaks Fire Walk with Me. So.
• 1:03:28
  But we're not done yet. We still got more.
• 1:03:30
  We have more Twin Peaks. But we're actually going to take
• 1:03:33
  a quick break. And when we come back, I'm going
• 1:03:35
  to be joined by a dear friend, podcast costume designer Jen
• 1:03:40
  Starzik. We're going to talk about her
• 1:03:41
  experience on Twin Peaks, The Return.
• 1:03:45
  She's going to tell us all about her, her love for David Lynch
• 1:03:51
  when she actually got to go to a Twin Peaks convention and got to
• 1:03:54
  actually meet Hawk and even like got to go party with Hawk for a
• 1:03:59
  little bit. And Doctor Jacoby, she also got
• 1:04:04
  to meet David Lynch and what he was like on set.
• 1:04:07
  And you know how she does some impersonations and his smoking
• 1:04:12
  habits and when she got to go to his house and got to fit Laura
• 1:04:16
  Dern for her character on the return and working of costume
• 1:04:19
  designer Nancy Steiner. It's a short little
• 1:04:21
  conversation, but it's just like a great fun insight into just a
• 1:04:25
  day in the life of working with David Lynch and on the return of
• 1:04:30
  Twin Peaks. And after that, we'll do a quick
• 1:04:33
  little end here and we'll be all done for this episode and the
• 1:04:38
  series. So let's take a quick break.
• 1:04:46
  I am here with one of my dearest, dearest friends,
• 1:04:48
  someone who I've just been dying to just have back on a podcast.
• 1:04:51
  It's been a minute now costume designer Jen Starzik, She has
• 1:04:55
  done some of my favorite films and shows.
• 1:04:58
  Mindhunter, one of my favorite shows, which I needed to come
• 1:05:01
  back. I keep saying it, but maybe one
• 1:05:03
  day. Keep crossing on my fingers and
• 1:05:05
  toes. Bill and Ted face the music
• 1:05:07
  ironcloth. Also, she was a key costumer on
• 1:05:11
  Twin Peaks Return. Please welcome back to the
• 1:05:13
  podcast Jen Starzik. Jen, thank you so much for being
• 1:05:17
  here. Oh.
• 1:05:17
  My gosh, thank you so much for having me.
• 1:05:19
  Although first of all, I'm such a fan of you all the time.
• 1:05:22
  I would do anything just to sit next to you in chat, so we have
• 1:05:24
  to do it this way. This is great, but I've also
• 1:05:27
  completely inserted myself into this episode because I This is
• 1:05:30
  like my 1 geeky fandom thing and my antenna is always up when
• 1:05:36
  someone's talking about David Lynch.
• 1:05:37
  Twin Peaks, All things David Lynch, I've.
• 1:05:39
  Been like silently cackling at your your background.
• 1:05:43
  It's it's so incredible. Is it always like this or no?
• 1:05:46
  No. No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:05:47
  I obviously pulled this out this morning, but I, I'm kind of a
• 1:05:50
  memorabilia person. So I have like a suitcase full
• 1:05:53
  of like folk, like actual photographs, remember those and
• 1:05:56
  like things from my past. And so it was, it's easy to pull
• 1:06:00
  out. And then like, these were these
• 1:06:01
  were wrapped gifts from Kyle McLaughlin from his winery.
• 1:06:05
  And then he made a private table.
• 1:06:07
  The owls are not what they seem. And he made a Black Lodge
• 1:06:10
  coffee. And I had him, like, sign some
• 1:06:12
  really, like, really geeky things.
• 1:06:14
  So yeah, this, this is like my one geek thing for sure.
• 1:06:17
  This is so cool. I need that fire walk with me
• 1:06:19
  poster. That's a good one.
• 1:06:20
  You just inspired some living room decor honestly.
• 1:06:23
  I had it up in my college dorm plus the price tag on the back
• 1:06:29
  from like Lord knows where I got it but it was $7.00.
• 1:06:31
  I just went to go tape it up, like top stick it, and I was
• 1:06:33
  like, Oh my God, the price tag's still on it, Yeah.
• 1:06:36
  Your street cred is like through the roof right now.
• 1:06:38
  Yes, yeah. OK, well, I, I've been like
• 1:06:43
  really looking forward to this conversation for like weeks now
• 1:06:46
  and we've we've been talking about this for like a month now,
• 1:06:49
  but I've just been really taking my sweet, sweet time watching
• 1:06:53
  Twin Peaks. As you know, it is an incredible
• 1:06:56
  series, but we got to like take it back a little bit because
• 1:07:00
  we've been watching through some David Lynch films.
• 1:07:02
  As you know, we started with Dune, the 1984 version, which
• 1:07:07
  is, as you know, so much fun. It's a lot.
• 1:07:11
  And of course, we watch just. Need to watch to see how they do
• 1:07:14
  those kind of movies then too. Right.
• 1:07:16
  Yeah, especially compare and contrast.
• 1:07:19
  We also watch Blue Velvet, so I've always known you to be a
• 1:07:22
  huge Lynch fan, which is why when we were messaging one day
• 1:07:25
  and suddenly clicked, I was like, this is my in.
• 1:07:28
  I gotta get Jen back on the podcast.
• 1:07:30
  Like it was just like a dumb moment.
• 1:07:32
  So where does this David Lynch fandom come from?
• 1:07:36
  It it obviously. Did it start with Twin Peaks or
• 1:07:38
  was it before Twin Peaks? It definitely started with Twin
• 1:07:43
  Peaks because I was in high school when Twin Peaks came out.
• 1:07:45
  I was like just getting into high school and Twin Peaks came
• 1:07:48
  out like my sister was is a little bit older than me.
• 1:07:50
  She was definitely watching Twin Peaks and it was in the pop
• 1:07:54
  cultures in the zeitgeist because it was such a sensation
• 1:07:57
  at the time. But I actually don't really.
• 1:08:00
  I watched some episodes, but maybe I was hanging out with
• 1:08:03
  friends on Friday nights. And of course, this was before
• 1:08:04
  the time you really like stuck a DV like a VHS tape and to record
• 1:08:09
  things. I mean, like, we're talking like
• 1:08:10
  in the night, you know, in the night, 90s, really 90s.
• 1:08:13
  So then Fire Walk With Me came out and I went to the theater
• 1:08:16
  with my close friend and like our minds were blown.
• 1:08:19
  And then that's kind of when I dealt into it.
• 1:08:21
  And it really was like one of my other closest friends, Ted
• 1:08:24
  Vatican, I went to go visit him at college a little bit later
• 1:08:28
  and he was like, we have to watch this series.
• 1:08:31
  And we sat down and watched it all.
• 1:08:32
  We didn't like leave the couch for like 3 days.
• 1:08:34
  Like we watched the whole entire series and became fans.
• 1:08:37
  And he was like, there's a fan festival coming up we're going.
• 1:08:39
  And that's like the whole thing started.
• 1:08:43
  And I went to a Twin Peaks fan festival in 1996.
• 1:08:46
  These are pictures from when I went.
• 1:08:47
  I'm like, we're here with Hawk and the Colonel.
• 1:08:49
  I've got like totally like have have moments from there too.
• 1:08:53
  Wait, are you I'm able to move the hawk photo closer to camera?
• 1:08:57
  Is it is it movable? I I got to see this.
• 1:09:00
  Yeah. So here's these are my friends.
• 1:09:04
  So these are my girlfriends who I went with.
• 1:09:06
  And there's Hawk and there's the Colonel.
• 1:09:09
  So there's another picture of him.
• 1:09:10
  And I probably have, I should have some other goodies in here.
• 1:09:15
  I have a picture like with Kim, Kimmy, with Lucy, Yeah.
• 1:09:19
  And we sat at, we ate at the table with Doctor Jacoby, with
• 1:09:23
  Russ Tamblyn. And I mean it was.
• 1:09:26
  And afterwards, you know what I mean?
• 1:09:27
  We were on Bainbridge Island. That's where you would go to the
• 1:09:30
  Twin Figs fan. It was like a three day event.
• 1:09:32
  And so and afterwards, like Hawk called our hotel room and was
• 1:09:36
  like, where are you guys partying?
• 1:09:37
  Like it was really funny. I'm gonna put my display back
• 1:09:42
  up, but yeah. Yeah, get the set the core back
• 1:09:45
  together. Yeah, my set to core back up a
• 1:09:47
  little. Bit yeah, so.
• 1:09:50
  But yeah, and had a blast going through, you know, going to
• 1:09:55
  Bainbridge and they did a little bit of filming there and going
• 1:09:57
  to then they you did like double our diner and then we actually
• 1:10:00
  could like concluded the three day fan festival in Seattle
• 1:10:03
  watching Dune. So that's how it ended.
• 1:10:05
  And at that time there's like some special guests and stuff
• 1:10:08
  like that. But you know what more of the
• 1:10:12
  you know the day players, but like really good actors involved
• 1:10:14
  because it was an ensemble cast. Right, and we just watched Fire
• 1:10:18
  walk with it was so as you know, this is my first time watching
• 1:10:20
  Twin Peaks and Twin Peaks Fire walk with me.
• 1:10:23
  I can't imagine watching Fire walk with me in a movie theater.
• 1:10:26
  That must have been a crazy experience.
• 1:10:28
  What a wild. I mean, this silence was
• 1:10:32
  palpitating. Like it was.
• 1:10:34
  Just I think actually too, my friend, I saw it twice.
• 1:10:37
  Like we were like, we got to go see that again.
• 1:10:39
  Like what that was, it was so mind blowing.
• 1:10:43
  And then that was it. That like opened me up to the
• 1:10:45
  world a bit. And if people ask me like my
• 1:10:46
  favorite David Lynch things, it's like I love Wild at Heart,
• 1:10:49
  I love Wild at Heart, I love Blue Velvet, I love straight
• 1:10:52
  Story and I love the first 9 episodes of Twin Peaks.
• 1:10:55
  Like those. Like that's my like I like,
• 1:10:58
  those are my jams. Yeah.
• 1:10:59
  Yeah. Oh, I haven't heard a straight
• 1:11:01
  story. I'm going to write that one
• 1:11:02
  down. Totally a different trajectory
• 1:11:05
  for him, based on a true story where somebody, somebody dies.
• 1:11:09
  Jack Nance is the main character and he doesn't drive, so he has
• 1:11:13
  to drive his lawn mower, like across multiple states to get to
• 1:11:16
  the person's house. It's great.
• 1:11:18
  It's a beautiful story. OK, I'm gonna put that one down.
• 1:11:21
  So good, yeah. So years later, you actually
• 1:11:24
  became a key costumer on Twin Peaks Return with Nancy Steiner
• 1:11:28
  as the costume designer. So I'd love to hear about your
• 1:11:30
  experience working on a production and stepping into the
• 1:11:33
  world of Twin Peaks first hand. This must have been a mind
• 1:11:38
  blowing experience. Now that you have, when you've
• 1:11:40
  had these conventions under your belt at this point.
• 1:11:43
  I mean, you've got to see the movies you've had binge to show.
• 1:11:47
  So how how did this even happen? I mean, the was the word on the
• 1:11:51
  street. Like you have to get Jen on this
• 1:11:52
  project. She knows everything about Twin
• 1:11:54
  Peaks. How?
• 1:11:55
  I mean, you must have been peeking your head in the doors
• 1:11:58
  somehow. OK, well there's two parts to
• 1:12:02
  this because I also worked on the additional photography of
• 1:12:04
  Mulholland Drive, so I will go back to that.
• 1:12:08
  But yeah, or I'll start with that because that was obviously
• 1:12:11
  before that. So he had filmed Mulholland
• 1:12:13
  Drive as a pilot and then when he presented the pilot, the
• 1:12:16
  studio was like, no, no way. So then he got additional
• 1:12:20
  funding and then did additional photography to turn it into a
• 1:12:23
  movie. So at that time I had just kind
• 1:12:27
  of was freshly new into the union and I had been working
• 1:12:31
  really long term on a Rob Zombie House of 1000 corpses, which
• 1:12:35
  kept filming. Like it started as like a little
• 1:12:37
  mini gig and then they just kept rewriting, keep re filming kept.
• 1:12:40
  So it was like almost like a year long gig by the end of it.
• 1:12:43
  So we all became a really close family and like Rob was a blast
• 1:12:46
  and invite us over and we would be like hanging out the pool
• 1:12:49
  with like Johnny Ramon. It was like completely insane.
• 1:12:51
  Like so I, my close friend man, who still is an amazing set
• 1:12:56
  costumer sesh of entry, knew I was a Twin Peaks fanatic and she
• 1:13:00
  had got a call to work on the additional reshoots because
• 1:13:02
  she'd worked with the designer Amy Stofsky designed Mulholland
• 1:13:07
  Drive, but Dorinda Wood did the reshoots.
• 1:13:09
  And so she was like, I have to, I have to give this to you if
• 1:13:12
  you want to do it. Like there's no way.
• 1:13:13
  But I had to take off work with Rob Zombie on the House that was
• 1:13:17
  corpses, which he had heard of because it was a really close
• 1:13:19
  knit family. And so he came up to me and he
• 1:13:21
  was like, I heard, you're not going to be here next week.
• 1:13:24
  And I literally like still this day, I still cringe.
• 1:13:26
  But my friend and I like pissing our pants laughing about it
• 1:13:28
  because I like turned to Rob Zombie.
• 1:13:30
  And I was like, well, I got a call to work with David Lynch
• 1:13:33
  and I was like Rob Zombie, David Lynch and I went like that.
• 1:13:36
  And he was like, yeah, I would do the same thing.
• 1:13:42
  Like he totally understood. Like it was like, got it.
• 1:13:44
  Yeah. So.
• 1:13:45
  And I went to go work on that. And that was like, I can't
• 1:13:48
  believe I'm here. I can't believe I'm here a
• 1:13:49
  moment. And I just have like 1 funny
• 1:13:52
  story to tell about David on that because he was, it was shot
• 1:13:56
  at some like makeshift stage out in the valley.
• 1:13:59
  And I mean really kind of like a low budget stage.
• 1:14:02
  And they really didn't even have craft service.
• 1:14:04
  They had coffee, but like no one could drink it because it was
• 1:14:06
  David's coffee. And I was like, well, I'm going
• 1:14:07
  to go drink David's coffee like you're.
• 1:14:09
  Insane like. Someone just say David's coffee.
• 1:14:11
  I'm drinking David's coffee. So but he also, of course, was a
• 1:14:16
  lifelong or not really, but a good chain smoker.
• 1:14:18
  He started, I think he started later in his life and then was
• 1:14:20
  obviously a chronic smoker. So he was smoking in the stage
• 1:14:23
  and the fire Marshall came and was like you, you know, you have
• 1:14:26
  to like you can't smoke obviously in the stage.
• 1:14:28
  And he was like, what, what if I get like a kiddie pool and I put
• 1:14:31
  my chair in the kiddie pool and I just to the pool and they were
• 1:14:34
  like, no, that's not going to work either.
• 1:14:36
  So he moved his whole like video village right outside the
• 1:14:40
  elephant door and, you know, infamous for using a megaphone,
• 1:14:44
  even if he's talking next to you.
• 1:14:46
  And he was like, that's where he ended up calling all his action.
• 1:14:48
  And I was just like, I love this man.
• 1:14:50
  Let's just save him at deer cost going to Twin Peaks return.
• 1:14:54
  So I obviously had heard Twin Peaks return was coming and like
• 1:14:56
  if anybody like unless you were deaf and knew I wanted to work
• 1:15:00
  on it, like I went to Western costume.
• 1:15:02
  I took Bobby Garland because Bobby Garland was like, you
• 1:15:05
  know, the eyes and ears and like 6° to everybody.
• 1:15:07
  And I was like, whoever gets just one peaks, I have to get
• 1:15:09
  it. And I thought maybe he was going
• 1:15:11
  to maybe Amy Stopski and him would return as a collab.
• 1:15:15
  And so at that time, I'm Sarah Jane Slotnick was working with
• 1:15:18
  Amy a lot. And she kindly was like, I would
• 1:15:21
  step aside and you can have this dream come true moment.
• 1:15:23
  Like people were like opening the water, like parting the
• 1:15:26
  waters. For me were out there, they're
• 1:15:28
  like, don't worry, I won't get in the way.
• 1:15:30
  I'll get like, literally like if I was just walking down the
• 1:15:33
  streets. I was like, do you know anything
• 1:15:34
  about do you know? So I was working on Ghostbusters
• 1:15:39
  with Jeffrey, like the female version of Ghostbusters, and we
• 1:15:41
  were in Boston and I got a phone call from Nancy Steiner, who I
• 1:15:46
  had definitely worked with on and off for like almost 10
• 1:15:49
  years. I love Nancy.
• 1:15:50
  So. And we had kind of, she had a
• 1:15:52
  film where she couldn't take me and I end up working on other
• 1:15:54
  films. So we kind of had to work
• 1:15:55
  together in a little bit. So she'd call me and she was
• 1:15:58
  like, it turns out it sounds like I have a project you're
• 1:16:01
  going to work with me on. And I was like, you got Twin
• 1:16:03
  Peaks? Like I was like, no, right away.
• 1:16:04
  I was like, yeah. And she actually was not
• 1:16:08
  somebody like super familiar with, I think Twin Peaks.
• 1:16:11
  I mean, she probably was familiar with the David Lynch
• 1:16:12
  projects, other movies and stuff.
• 1:16:14
  But she was like, and she said something to that matter.
• 1:16:17
  And I was like, I will speak Twin Peaks for you.
• 1:16:19
  Like I will, I will do all of the, you know, whatever you
• 1:16:22
  need. So so I went to go join the the
• 1:16:26
  the series after after Ghostbuster ended.
• 1:16:30
  So they did already shoot quite a bit of really special moments.
• 1:16:33
  But when I came, but I did like the first day I worked on it,
• 1:16:37
  they had to recreate the Double R Diner.
• 1:16:39
  So that was like my first day on set for the twin.
• 1:16:41
  Peaks. Return yeah and I had to work as
• 1:16:43
  a key because they are a little tight on the budget and like I
• 1:16:47
  couldn't afford to work as the ACD.
• 1:16:48
  Like I was like I gotta couldn't even like pay my rent with that
• 1:16:51
  so I was like at least I could get some hourly things so I was
• 1:16:54
  like fine. I've been told I've credited
• 1:16:56
  twice in the credits as Jennifer Sarzik and which also delights
• 1:16:59
  me that my name twice that's. A great Twin Peaks thing,
• 1:17:04
  actually. Total gobble banger.
• 1:17:06
  Yeah, exactly so. Ducky and like Cooper here and
• 1:17:11
  all sorts of things, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:17:17
  And some special moments on that were, for whatever reason, Nancy
• 1:17:21
  could not fit Laura Dern's character.
• 1:17:24
  Who's Diane, who's obviously the character you never meet in the
• 1:17:27
  first in the original series, I'd say.
• 1:17:30
  So she was like, we had to do it over the weekend.
• 1:17:32
  Something was, she was like, she called me up and she was like,
• 1:17:35
  I'm so sorry I have to ask you to do this, but you're going to
• 1:17:37
  have to go fit Laura Dern at David Lynch's house.
• 1:17:39
  And like I was driving and I was like, like.
• 1:17:42
  Freaking sorry I'm so devastated to tell you.
• 1:17:48
  You know Laura Dern for Wild at Heart and Blue Velvet?
• 1:17:52
  You know, she's a professional and she wanted, you know, she
• 1:17:55
  was sorry we had to be like all on me, you know, or whatever.
• 1:17:57
  But I was like, I could retire after this, basically.
• 1:18:01
  Like this would be my like, So to have to go to David Lynch's
• 1:18:04
  house and to that gorgeous house, which we've seen up for
• 1:18:07
  sale since then. Like you can imagine.
• 1:18:09
  And I mean, PS already knew where it was because in height
• 1:18:12
  in college. College.
• 1:18:15
  Yeah. Like this guy walked by me in
• 1:18:17
  college and he had some really obscure Twin Peaks High School,
• 1:18:20
  like teach like a really deep, deep dive into fandom.
• 1:18:23
  And I was like, you, me, we're going to date.
• 1:18:25
  Like, and we date. I was like, we already have
• 1:18:27
  everything in common. Like our first date was watching
• 1:18:29
  Elephant Man like so it was just like we like like that that like
• 1:18:33
  kept us afloat for many years. And then obviously that didn't
• 1:18:36
  fizzle that but but that was like, so I already knew because
• 1:18:39
  we'd already done like he was like, here's where you live.
• 1:18:41
  So I get there and I was like, Oh my God, I forgot.
• 1:18:43
  I like driven past here in like full circle moment.
• 1:18:45
  Now I'm here for a fitting and it was just insanely incredible.
• 1:18:50
  And he called her tidbit and I just thought that was like so
• 1:18:53
  cute. And obviously I'm such a fan of
• 1:18:54
  hers. Like Wild Attack, just all
• 1:18:56
  things Laura Dern and the David Lynch world.
• 1:18:58
  Like the he picks like Kyle and her.
• 1:19:01
  Like it just sets this tone and this absurdity that works so
• 1:19:05
  amazingly well. And it was just a slow process.
• 1:19:09
  They would talk, they would have a coffee, he would go outside,
• 1:19:12
  he'd go to a different area of his.
• 1:19:13
  He had a very huge home, have a cigarette, come back down there,
• 1:19:17
  do some fittings. We'd come find him like it.
• 1:19:19
  So we did it for like 2 full days and I was like, yeah, I'm
• 1:19:23
  done. I can retire.
• 1:19:23
  Like I really was like, I can retire.
• 1:19:25
  And also just working with David Lynch in my career at that time,
• 1:19:31
  like reinvigorated me. Like I was like, This is why I
• 1:19:34
  got into This is why I got into what I was doing.
• 1:19:37
  And I'm sure people have those moments if they're Marvel fans
• 1:19:40
  or, you know, director fans for sure.
• 1:19:42
  But I'm like, this was like, This is why I'm here.
• 1:19:45
  Like I like, I couldn't imagine my 20 year old me like doing
• 1:19:48
  what I was doing. So it was super cool.
• 1:19:50
  And he loves Los Angeles light and he loves film in LA and
• 1:19:54
  you've you've felt that. And every day was like a gift
• 1:19:57
  and joy to be at work like it was.
• 1:19:59
  He would go and meditate at lunch because he's known for his
• 1:20:02
  TM and he would drop in at lunch and he came out one day and was
• 1:20:05
  like, I want Dougie in a lime green jacket.
• 1:20:08
  And of course it worked the next day and.
• 1:20:10
  Dougie's character in for Big Return was bigger.
• 1:20:12
  So it was it was going to be a little bit of obviously an
• 1:20:15
  effort. And of course, and I understand
• 1:20:16
  Nancy was like, Oh my gosh, like how?
• 1:20:18
  And I was like, I've got it, like, we're going to do this,
• 1:20:20
  like we're going to pull this off.
• 1:20:21
  Like it was just like anything I could do.
• 1:20:24
  And another special moment was he, you know, he's known for his
• 1:20:28
  uniform. He always wore khaki pants, kind
• 1:20:30
  of like baggy khaki pants and a white button shirt shirt and a
• 1:20:33
  blazer. And he had sent us his khaki
• 1:20:35
  pants to repair some holes. And I was like, I was like, I
• 1:20:39
  don't know if this is like legal for me to have these.
• 1:20:42
  Like I was like this. Is like.
• 1:20:44
  This is amazing too. Like so just all these things
• 1:20:47
  are like I said, this is like my one geeky thing.
• 1:20:50
  And then there's, and I know there's fans out there, they're
• 1:20:52
  even like more into it than I am, but this is my one geeky
• 1:20:55
  thing that I've dived into the most.
• 1:20:57
  And like, it just excites me and delights me to be a part of it.
• 1:21:00
  Oh, that's so incredible. I just, I'm so happy that you
• 1:21:03
  got to have that experience and I don't know, just really warms
• 1:21:06
  my heart. And it's just such a incredible
• 1:21:08
  moment to like see those interactions between him and
• 1:21:12
  Laura and yourself and Kyle at those fittings.
• 1:21:14
  I mean, that's something to really look back on throughout
• 1:21:16
  your career and what AI mean. It's just incredible.
• 1:21:20
  I mean, no one else gets to have that too.
• 1:21:23
  It's it's. It goes without words really.
• 1:21:27
  It's so special and and you know, and he did have the
• 1:21:29
  megaphone and he would turn to his long term script supervisor
• 1:21:32
  and be like, print that, like right into here.
• 1:21:35
  Which is so much like his character too.
• 1:21:37
  In three weeks too. So, buddy.
• 1:21:39
  And to see him get dressed as Gordon Cole, just all these like
• 1:21:42
  cool things and, you know, see the, the, the Red Room come to
• 1:21:47
  be recreated with. My gosh.
• 1:21:48
  Like exactly with the the the floor and just all these things
• 1:21:52
  you were like, this is so cool. It was it was a crowning moment
• 1:21:55
  for sure. And I absolutely, I really love
• 1:21:57
  being part of. It so we've been talking about
• 1:22:00
  these David Lynch films now for three episodes now.
• 1:22:03
  Just trying to, you know, also talk about the costumes and the
• 1:22:05
  style. What do you think now since you
• 1:22:08
  worked on, you know, one of these projects?
• 1:22:10
  Well, actually two of them now. How would you describe that
• 1:22:13
  David Lynch style in terms of the clothes and the fashion?
• 1:22:17
  I think that there's nostalgia and reference and reveries for I
• 1:22:25
  think he was a, you know, from far as I can tell, he was a
• 1:22:28
  lover of old movies and he sort of always kind of infused that
• 1:22:33
  into like Patty Norris was his long term collaborator and she
• 1:22:38
  was almost of that ilk. It's very far and few between.
• 1:22:41
  Mostly theater people do it where they also do production
• 1:22:44
  design and costume design. So she was able to really
• 1:22:47
  command the world. And then because she did that
• 1:22:49
  and it is theatrical, I feel like, like, I mean, Blue Velvet
• 1:22:52
  would be an exemplary like example of it because because
• 1:22:56
  the set almost looks like a stage in theater and then the,
• 1:23:00
  the actors are flowing. I, I feel like it's very
• 1:23:02
  theatrical and everything has a bit of, of nostalgia in it and,
• 1:23:10
  you know, vintage, like a little bit of a vintage appeal.
• 1:23:12
  And I think he is probably maybe drawn to that and drawn to old
• 1:23:15
  movies. You know, he loves, he loves
• 1:23:19
  Wizard of Oz And I believe like my favorite movie is like Rear
• 1:23:22
  Window. And I think that is like, I
• 1:23:23
  think he loved that combination of James Stewart and and
• 1:23:26
  Princess Grace. So I just think there's and she
• 1:23:29
  knew how to infuse that in the right amount.
• 1:23:31
  And, and it was also kind of what people were doing anyhow,
• 1:23:35
  like in the 80s and 90s, you were going back to the 50s and
• 1:23:39
  40s. That's that that was what was
• 1:23:40
  available for you when you went thrifting.
• 1:23:42
  So, so like it kind of worked as in being very present and cool,
• 1:23:47
  but it probably also worked on like a little bit of where,
• 1:23:50
  where maybe all of the things he liked was like sitting in the
• 1:23:53
  subconscious. I think that it worked in that
• 1:23:55
  way too. I remember when Mulholland Dr.
• 1:23:58
  Drew it, we could not find the a wool Plaid, like a Pendleton
• 1:24:03
  wool Plaid jacket that somebody had to wear.
• 1:24:06
  And I mean, we must have pulled every single one that was like
• 1:24:08
  available. And like, and David was like,
• 1:24:10
  no, no, no, no, no. And it was like, I wish Patty
• 1:24:13
  was here. Like it was like, you know, so
• 1:24:15
  it was just you don't know what it was that he was trying to
• 1:24:19
  like literally they were like all there.
• 1:24:21
  So you don't know what what it was that hit him.
• 1:24:24
  And and I was told that like, you know, like his collaboration
• 1:24:27
  with Patricia Norris like could do no wrong.
• 1:24:29
  Like he really, really trusted her and like, she just had that.
• 1:24:32
  She just had whatever it was that they made them click so
• 1:24:35
  well. So, so.
• 1:24:36
  But of course, I wasn't there. So I don't know.
• 1:24:38
  But yeah, I would say it's that because there is a lot of like.
• 1:24:43
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:24:45
  Totally and. Working with Laura Dern on Twin
• 1:24:48
  Peaks Return, she did bring a lot of her own personal clothing
• 1:24:51
  too. Whatever it was she was touching
• 1:24:54
  upon. Sometimes to me, I was like, you
• 1:24:55
  kind of wore that wild hard or, you know, whatever it was, but
• 1:24:58
  maybe that's why she also brought it or, you know, who
• 1:25:00
  knows? Maybe there was a reaction when
• 1:25:02
  she wore something similar the first time around.
• 1:25:04
  So there was a lot of spirit as that as well.
• 1:25:08
  And he wanted to know what she like because she wanted he
• 1:25:10
  wanted his cast to feel comfortable like that was, I
• 1:25:13
  think, almost one of his first questions.
• 1:25:15
  I remember when I was following Naomi Watts to set on like
• 1:25:19
  Mahalo Dr. He like would go up to her and he just would have
• 1:25:21
  that really one-on-one moment and he was like, you look
• 1:25:23
  perfect. How do you feel?
• 1:25:26
  And I remember he said that to Laura Dern as well.
• 1:25:28
  And I was just like wow, like this is so special.
• 1:25:31
  Yeah, I've got chills like 3 times.
• 1:25:34
  During this interview, okay, last question, who are like some
• 1:25:39
  of your favorite Twin Peaks characters?
• 1:25:42
  You have like a Max of like 3. OK, this is like Sophie's
• 1:25:46
  Choice, so I have. I have no idea but.
• 1:25:49
  I mean, let's just say. Like Nadine is amazing.
• 1:25:55
  That's a very you. Choice he totally.
• 1:25:58
  I mean, that's that's like. Thank you.
• 1:26:01
  Like those are the thank you moments in his, you know, 'cause
• 1:26:04
  they are very like, they're spooky episodes.
• 1:26:06
  Like he goes to the dark side. He definitely delves into like
• 1:26:09
  the black dark side of things, right?
• 1:26:10
  So you have to have some levity in Twin Peaks.
• 1:26:14
  So I mean Audrey Horne, I mean, I just was obsessed with her.
• 1:26:18
  I would wear my in the, you know, in college, I'd wear my
• 1:26:21
  Betsy Johnson dresses and I I bought saddle shoes and I just
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  wanted, it was like all about like how I tried to do my
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  eyebrows like her and everything.
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  And gosh, now I'm just gonna now I feel like I'm not going to
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  pick the right one for the third one.
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  So you I could do like a editor's edit.
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  After this too, if you if you change your mind, you could text
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  me. I mean there's some things I
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  stay line wise that I don't even know if.
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  People are catching some in fittings and I'm like, new shoes
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  because of, like, Leo's character.
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  Like, I just like, there's things I say when I'm still,
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  like, in fittings that are, like, totally related to Twin
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  Peaks. So yeah, I'm not too sure.
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  I mean, they're all so good. I mean, I love, I love, you
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  know, Sarah Palmer too, Grace. I mean, and you know, and then I
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  love the log lady because she was like, what the fuck's going
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  on? Like, you know, all these great
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  things. So.
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  Yeah, all so good. Jen, this.
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  Has been so much fun. I'm so glad we got to talk about
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  this. I mean, it would not have felt
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  complete without you. I love Twin Peaks, I wish I
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  could have watched it with you. We're going to have to do like a
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  Twin Peaks night or something, watch some episodes because I
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  had to watch this all by myself at home.
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  So I need to watch this with an audience now.
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  So my pleasure, pleasure. I hope I could add something to
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  it, but I so appreciate. You letting me be on just to
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  talk about my fandom? It's so much fun.
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  And what? Do we have coming up in the
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  world of Jen Starzik? I want to have you on a podcast
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  to talk about some Jen Starzik projects coming up soon.
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  Oh my goodness. Well, I've well, I did a pilot
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  last year. That got picked up called Seven
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  Sisters with Will Aubrey and I've got to reconnect with Sean
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  Dirk and he he directed it and and I heard it did get picked
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  up. I think they're in like the
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  writers room. So we'll see what happens with
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  that. That's on FX.
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  It was fabulous. Stars Elizabeth Olsen, Christine
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  Milioti, amazing cast, like ensemble cast.
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  And then I'm going to start this project, which I always feel
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  like we're talking about something that's not happening
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  yet, but it's the Challenger based on the Challenger
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  explosion, the tragedy of the Challenger explosion.
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  And Kristen Stewart plays Sally Ride and kind of talking about,
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  not kind of talking about that story and going into that.
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  And I've also got into the art world.
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  I just, I had a quilt piece up right now at a current exhibit.
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  Yeah. And it's at Interlace at 2413
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  Hyperion. And I was happy to say it's
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  sold. So that was really awesome.
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  Incredible, Jen. OK, great.
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  All right. Well, thank you.
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  So. Much for being here we I can't
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  wait to check out these projects and thank you so much for coming
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  and I hope I get to see you in the red room someday that would
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  be kind of a cool place to run into you.
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  Absolutely my pleasure. But we're not going to ask how's
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  Annie? We already know it's we're going
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  to keep it at high. Frequency, blue skies and golden
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  sunshine all along the way, as he says.
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  Yeah. All right.
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  Thank you so much. Appreciate.
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  It bye. Sensor I love that interview.
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  That was so much. Fun.
• 1:29:14
  It was fun. It was always a good time
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  hanging out with my. Friend Jen Starzik, she's so
• 1:29:18
  funny. I loved when I logged on and she
• 1:29:21
  had that entire background of all those props, the like rap
• 1:29:25
  gifts from Kyle Blacklin and the poster and the photos of her and
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  Hawk. I was like, I was like, I don't
• 1:29:32
  even need to say anything, just take it away.
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  Jen, this is amazing. It was so incredible.
• 1:29:38
  I love that she was. A fan who got to work on the
• 1:29:41
  Return. It was just so, so cool.
• 1:29:45
  Yeah, and the Return is such a fun show too.
• 1:29:48
  I'm not done with it yet. You finished it.
• 1:29:51
  I know you have thoughts and feelings, so we're going to have
• 1:29:53
  to do a coffee recap, but I'm loving it so far.
• 1:29:57
  It's fun. I just want to savor it.
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  I love Dougie, he is hilarious. I in terms of costumes, I'm
• 1:30:05
  loving the fact that Naomi Watts is still forcing this
• 1:30:09
  doppelganger to wear these like oversized lime green suits that
• 1:30:14
  he clearly does not fit in. Still, that is a funny costume.
• 1:30:20
  Note. And Laura Dern's character,
• 1:30:24
  she's looking real good. And these, I mean, she looks
• 1:30:27
  fucking fierce. When she shows.
• 1:30:29
  Up she's not in it so much yet where I'm at.
• 1:30:32
  But when she shows up I'm like OK, loving all those moments.
• 1:30:37
  But more Twin Peaks to return. I'm sure in our future I'll
• 1:30:42
  bring it up probably next episode.
• 1:30:43
  And Spencer, I don't know about you.
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  But I don't feel the need to do a stitch rating on this because
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  if it's not 5 out of five, like, what are we doing?
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  Oh yeah, it's a it's a 5 out of 5 for me.
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  I just, I loved Twin Peaks. It's honestly one of my favorite
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  shows right now. I really, really enjoyed it,
• 1:31:05
  which is why we took so long to come out with the episode
• 1:31:07
  because I was like, I'm not rushing this.
• 1:31:09
  I want to enjoy it. So it is what it is.
• 1:31:13
  Let's move on. It is what it is.
• 1:31:15
  But I think you can agree that we can.
• 1:31:17
  Choose A1 costume to rule them all.
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  Hit it. The one costume to rule them
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  all. Spencer, what's your one costume
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  to rule them all? I mean, I'm not sure.
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  I can't pick A1 costume, but I think.
• 1:31:35
  I think I do have my one costume, though.
• 1:31:38
  I have to go with Agent Dale Cooper's overcoat.
• 1:31:43
  I just think they're hilarious. It's the FBI uniform.
• 1:31:47
  We're committed to the bit. We have to wear it at all times.
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  And it's just, to me, it just says so much to like the David
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  Lynch aesthetic. It just says something about
• 1:31:57
  like, we have this weird, like timeless quality, but we also
• 1:32:02
  have this otherworldly aesthetic that's like blended together,
• 1:32:06
  you know, it's it just, it really just has like the David
• 1:32:11
  Lynch aesthetic all wrapped together in one place.
• 1:32:14
  Is that overcoat? It truly, truly does.
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  MY1 costume to rule them all. I feel like is maybe the only
• 1:32:22
  other one that like also has the true, true David Lynch
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  aesthetic, which is the man from another world.
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  Like that all red ensemble. Yeah, chef's kiss.
• 1:32:36
  It's. Perfect.
• 1:32:38
  It is perfect. Yeah, that's a good one, him.
• 1:32:43
  Dancing in that that pilot episode is so good.
• 1:32:47
  I thought you were going to pick the diner costume.
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  I really was put betting money on it.
• 1:32:52
  I I thought about it, but I was like, oh but.
• 1:32:56
  The man from another world, the all red.
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  Like in. The Black Lodge, like it was
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  just too perfect. Yeah.
• 1:33:05
  Well, that's a good one that I mean.
• 1:33:07
  There's a there's a lot of choices for Twin Peaks.
• 1:33:09
  We could we could go all day. Well, that brings us to the end
• 1:33:13
  of Twin Peaks and also to the end of our David Lynch series.
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  It has been a journey. Thank you all for sticking with
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  us for these three episodes. I hope you join.
• 1:33:22
  Enjoyed it. This has been the longest series
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  I think we've done, aside from our spooky season.
• 1:33:27
  Series is maybe Hot Girl Summer. Yeah, I guess.
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  So please. If you enjoyed it, e-mail us at
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  theartofcostume@gmail.com or send us Adm Tell us what your
• 1:33:39
  favorite David Lynch film is or what your favorite costume was
• 1:33:42
  from one of these films. We did Dune, Blue Velvet, or we
• 1:33:46
  did a boatload of Twin Peaks costumes.
• 1:33:50
  Let's know what your favorite moment was, favorite costume was
• 1:33:53
  or maybe what we missed or just, you know, send us some bits
• 1:33:57
  about one of these films and we'll we'll be happy to read it
• 1:34:01
  on a future episode. As always, you can follow us on
• 1:34:05
  Instagram at the Art of Costume pod, TikTok at the Art of
• 1:34:08
  Costume, or you could check us out in the merch store at
• 1:34:11
  theartofcostume.com/pod store. But Elizabeth, we could, after
• 1:34:18
  spending some time in this logging town, which is a bit
• 1:34:21
  spooky, a bit dark, or even in the towns like what we saw in
• 1:34:28
  Blue Velvet or on a rack, as things get a little dark and
• 1:34:30
  spooky, I think we could spent time in another town that feels
• 1:34:34
  maybe a bit more bright and maybe a bit more cheerful.
• 1:34:37
  So can you tell us what our next episode is going to be?
• 1:34:40
  I definitely think we need some fun if we need some levity.
• 1:34:44
  And what better place to find that then in Shit's Creek,
• 1:34:49
  Spencer? We will be talking about the
• 1:34:52
  iconic series on our next episode.
• 1:34:56
  I'm so excited. Man, so excited, but also like
• 1:35:02
  completely intimidated. Shits Creek is a series that
• 1:35:05
  means so much to the both of us. Of course, just recently we lost
• 1:35:09
  Catherine O'Hara, so obviously like it's also weighing on us at
• 1:35:14
  the same time. We've been talking about doing
• 1:35:16
  this series for years now and we had this one on the calendar,
• 1:35:20
  but we gotta do it. So excited.
• 1:35:23
  There is a million in one costumes to talk about for this
• 1:35:26
  one. I don't know how we're it's just
• 1:35:29
  going to be a Myra Rose, David Rose marathon.
• 1:35:35
  So it's going to be so many good ones to talk about, but I'm so
• 1:35:38
  excited. So let's know what your favorite
• 1:35:41
  Schitt's Creek costumes are now, because I know you have them.
• 1:35:46
  So until then, costume nerds look out for the owls.
• 1:35:51
  They're not what they seem. No, they're not.
• 1:35:56
  And make sure. At the beginning of every day to
• 1:36:00
  have a great cup of coffee because that's how you should
• 1:36:03
  always get your day going. Something like that.
• 1:36:06
  That's some something quote something like that.