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The House on Full Moon Street - Knife of Dreams chapter 31 - EP504 · WoT Spoilers

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  Speaker 1: This is the Wheel of Time Spoilers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Can we talk about this goddamn chapter because this is
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  Speaker 2: what I'm hyper fixated on right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good chapter. I was reading it being like,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is some this is some peak payoff
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  Speaker 1: right here. We have really been building up to this
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  Speaker 1: for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of little lines get paid off in this.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Hark gets paid off and following mill are
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: following the Black Sisters. I mean, first of all, it's
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  Speaker 2: just a nice, fun, old fashioned traditional trap getting into, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's these girls have not gotten into a
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: trap in a minute. And uh yeah, what what what's
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  Speaker 2: the point if you don't walk headfirst into one?
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  Speaker 1: It's true, traps are there to be walked into. But
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  Speaker 1: I mean this is payoff that in many ways goes
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: back to book one.
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  Speaker 2: San is, Oh, well sure, yeah, you want to pay
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  Speaker 2: off from Millie Skane.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like this is her hitting a serious rough patch
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  Speaker 1: in her arc, which has literally been going since book one.
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  Speaker 1: So it's the culmination of many different book threads all
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  Speaker 1: coming to a head at once. It's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: the spiral pattern, right, Like each successive line is shorter,
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  Speaker 1: but it all comes to a point.
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  Speaker 2: Also with Bores, Right, this is sort of Bores's because
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  Speaker 2: she was killed by this group of Dark Friends. So
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  Speaker 2: this is sort of where his storyline leads into. Right,
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  Speaker 2: that whole book prolog of book two, Right, that was
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  Speaker 2: all from Bor's perspective, the dark friend's.
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  Speaker 1: Social right, Like, well, I mean Millie Skane killed him
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  Speaker 1: in the presence of Faialian, which is part of why
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  Speaker 1: she has so much control over Failian is because Faalian
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  Speaker 1: was tied to the table while Bors was drowned in brandy, like.
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  Speaker 2: By a guy who now is very drunk. It seems
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  Speaker 2: like once you start drowning people and brand you might,
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  Speaker 2: you know, lay off the sauce a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I do feel like it would be hard to ever
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  Speaker 1: consume brandy recreationally again after Like, but I guess I
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  Speaker 1: don't have the mind of someone who's sworn to the Shadow, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like they just have a different approach to violence.
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  Speaker 2: Or it's just a drunk martyr er. Yeah, very very practical.
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  Speaker 1: I do like to be practical. No, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not practical Vouji. The Supergirls yearn for the traps,
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  Speaker 2: It's true, they do.
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  Speaker 1: They do, and it's really hard to give them traps
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  Speaker 1: when they have bodyguards and stuff, so it's like the
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  Speaker 1: good trapping in a while. Yeah, but yeah, Eleaene has
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  Speaker 1: learned so much and she has learned nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna just go with nothing pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, she's she's advanced so far, she's gained
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  Speaker 1: so much XP and yet she has learned nothing.
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  Speaker 2: That's because she spent it all in charisma.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, sad, Yeah, yeah she really did. She's just like
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  Speaker 1: that dumping on her Charisma's fine.
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  Speaker 2: She she is min max the shit out of her character.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, oh, I can talk my way out of anything. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Gray Aja like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, yes, seriously. All right, Well, I actually
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  Speaker 1: picked a really long read for this because I kind
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  Speaker 1: of tend to go with short reads. But this, this,
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  Speaker 1: this one is a longer read.
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  Speaker 2: Go for it.
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  Speaker 1: My brain cooperates.
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  Speaker 2: This is is so fun that some days you can
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  Speaker 2: read just fine out loud, and some days it's just
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  Speaker 2: a struggle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll see which one today is. This is
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  Speaker 1: chapter thirty one, the House on full Moon Street, and
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  Speaker 1: our symbol is the black Aja two face inverted silhouettes.
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  Speaker 2: Question about full Moon Street land for your reference.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a street name. Yeah, is not particularly involved
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  Speaker 1: with this group. That's all Mogedion and Morridon Land Fear
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  Speaker 1: has never really intersected with them.
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  Speaker 2: So full Moon, Half Moon.
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  Speaker 1: Also, Lanfier is all about the crescence. She's really all
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  Speaker 1: about the crescence.
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  Speaker 2: So interesting take. I was reading the timeline that I've
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  Speaker 2: referenced before. That's uh Stephen's timeline, right, and apparently a
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  Speaker 2: lot of his timeline is actually based around the phases
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  Speaker 2: of the moon. Robert Jordan does an incredibly accurate job
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  Speaker 2: through almost all of the books except Winter's Heart and
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  Speaker 2: Crossroads at Twilight, of actually lining up the phases of
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  Speaker 2: the moon with the timeline in such a way that
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  Speaker 2: you can tell from the phases of the moon how
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  Speaker 2: much time has passed, and it lines up with all
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  Speaker 2: of the other time cues that are built into his
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  Speaker 2: story except again for those two books.
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  Speaker 1: That's fantastic levels of nerdery on both parts. That Jordan
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  Speaker 1: put it there for us to find a and that
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  Speaker 1: someone found it, that is so fantastic. I love that
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  Speaker 1: so much.
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  Speaker 2: It just tells you how much like yes, he was
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  Speaker 2: writing his books discovery as he went, but like every
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  Speaker 2: time he was like this is going to take ten days, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: what day is this going to start? What day is
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  Speaker 2: it going to end? Like he was very careful about
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  Speaker 2: how long it's going to take to travel places, how long,
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  Speaker 2: like everything was meticulously planned out, because again, I think
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  Speaker 2: this comes back to his core statement of myths fade
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  Speaker 2: the legend over time and space, and if he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: accurately account for that time and space, you can't accurately
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  Speaker 2: show how those myths are fading over time and space.
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  Speaker 2: And so yeah, I really do think that, and that's
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  Speaker 2: where you know, I think Sanderson sort of said, well,
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  Speaker 2: fuck it, We're going to say time and space is
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  Speaker 2: getting distorted and not worry as much about continuity because
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  Speaker 2: that's hard and it is hard. It's one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons I think Jordan is one of the masters of
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  Speaker 2: writing is just how like we just found out this
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  Speaker 2: fact that like who knows, like it's obviously known in
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  Speaker 2: the in the series, but.
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  Speaker 1: Like we're just finding it out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it's like we're you know, newbies into
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  Speaker 2: the community right now.
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  Speaker 1: And that's cool because it means that it's even more
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  Speaker 1: meaningful that Sanderson said that is breaking down because Jordan
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  Speaker 1: had actually built a world in which that was very
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  Speaker 1: carefully kept track of, even though we didn't know it.
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  Speaker 1: The part where Sanderson broke it fits the cosmology that
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  Speaker 1: Jordan had built. It's not just as Sandersonism. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: well no, I mean, given how precise and organized it was,
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  Speaker 1: like that's what the dark One would. Oh that's so cool.
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  Speaker 1: I should probably do the reading. But that's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for pointing that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great it's a great title to point that
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  Speaker 2: out on the full moon street right, like, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's not actually a full moon really, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: someone thought it was important once upon a time. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder why it's named that, Like, no, we do not
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  Speaker 1: need to get into street naming. We don't, we don't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this reading.
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  Speaker 2: Can I just say I read something and I think,
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  Speaker 2: tells me what the nine horse hitches? Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: if you shorten, it's a horse to horse and hitch
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  Speaker 2: to itch nine horse itch.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, I thought that.
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  Speaker 2: Was a pretty good way. Just I don't know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that. I disapprove.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course I got that from Reddit. Yeah
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  Speaker 2: of course I got that from Reddit. Yeah, but just
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  Speaker 2: trying to make it a brothel. You know, that's space.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely a brothel. But like we could just go
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  Speaker 1: with the pony play of having women tied to like
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  Speaker 1: horse stuff, and just like you don't need to bring
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  Speaker 1: itching into it. That's just distaste.
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: I did, like, my, who are these people from the
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  Speaker 2: sea who are chaining us up with the shawn and chain? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and chain and the shawn chan yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The sea and chain.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is I think like that on a different level, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Ridiculous on its face until you go read the origins
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  Speaker 2: of Wheel of Time and realize that murdrawl is just
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  Speaker 2: a mix up of murder and all and that Jordan
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  Speaker 2: did that with a ton of other words, and you're like,
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  Speaker 2: oh many others, so many others, and then you can
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  Speaker 2: just start making your own, you know, mashups that it's
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  Speaker 2: so much fun. It's so much fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, he it's he was Shakespeareian in his level of
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  Speaker 1: just like you see what I did there, Like it's
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  Speaker 1: honestly obnoxious if you read origin, like, wow, the amount
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  Speaker 1: of dad energy right now. Good god. He was a
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  Speaker 1: dad to a fandom of millions and he knew it.
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  Speaker 2: And just dad jokes everywhere in the names everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: So it's so frustrating to all of us who are
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  Speaker 1: in the child position of this dynamic.
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  Speaker 2: And then those those of us who are the children
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  Speaker 2: who just love the puns. The reason dad's tell the
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  Speaker 2: dad jokes because it makes the children crack up with.
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  Speaker 1: Laughter, And then some of us, would you do not
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  Speaker 1: agree and shut up? Oh my god, immusing myself. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: they must stay together, Elaine said firmly. The two of
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  Speaker 1: you shouldn't be out by yourselves for that matter. Always
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  Speaker 1: three or four together anywhere in Caitlin. That's the only
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  Speaker 1: way to be safe. Just two of the mirrored stand
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  Speaker 1: lamps were lit, six flames, filling the sitting room with
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  Speaker 1: a dim light and the scent of lilies. So much
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  Speaker 1: of the lamp oil had gone bad that it was
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  Speaker 1: always perfumed now, but a crackling fire in the hearth
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  Speaker 1: was beginning to take away some of the early hour's coolness.
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  Speaker 1: There are times when a woman wants a little privacy
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  Speaker 1: to make o replied, calmly, as if yet another kinswoman
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  Speaker 1: had not just died from wanting privacy. Her voice was
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  Speaker 1: calm at least, but plump hands smoothed her dark blue skirts.
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  Speaker 1: If you won't put the fear of the light into them,
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  Speaker 1: su Mako, I will, Alise said, her unusually mild face stern.
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  Speaker 1: She looked the elder of the two, with touches of
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  Speaker 1: gray in her hair compared to the glossy black hair
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  Speaker 1: that fell below su Mako's stout shoulders. Yet she was
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  Speaker 1: the younger by better than two hundred years. Alise had
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  Speaker 1: been intrepid when Abu Dhar fell and they were forced
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  Speaker 1: to flee the jan Chin, but her hands moved on
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  Speaker 1: her brown skirts too. It was long past the bedtime
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  Speaker 1: that a San Disney smell fain had decreed, But tired
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  Speaker 1: as she was all the time. Once Elaine woke, she
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  Speaker 1: could never get back to sleep, and warm goats milk
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  Speaker 1: did not help. Warm goats milk tasted worse than cool.
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  Speaker 1: She was going to make rand bloody Author drink warm
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  Speaker 1: bloody goats milk till it came out of his ears
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  Speaker 1: right after she found out what had hurt him badly
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  Speaker 1: enough that she sensed a small jolt of pain, while
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  Speaker 1: everything else in that small knot in the back of
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  Speaker 1: her head that was him remained as vague as an
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  Speaker 1: it had been all a stone again ever since, so
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  Speaker 1: he was all right. Yet something had hurt him deeply
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  Speaker 1: for her to sense anything at all, And why was
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  Speaker 1: he traveling so often? One day he was far to
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  Speaker 1: the southeast, the next to the northwest, and even more
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  Speaker 1: distant the day after that somewhere else was he running
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  Speaker 1: from whoever had hurt him? But she had her own
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  Speaker 1: worries at the moment. Unable to sleep and restless, she
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  Speaker 1: had dressed herself in the first thing that came to hand,
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  Speaker 1: a dark gray riding dress, and gone for a walk
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  Speaker 1: to enjoy the stillness of the palace in the small
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  Speaker 1: hours of the morning, when even the servants were abed
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  Speaker 1: and flickering stand lamps were the only things that moved
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  Speaker 1: in the hallways aside from her, her and her bodyguards,
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  Speaker 1: but she was learning to ignore their presence. She did
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  Speaker 1: enjoy the solitude until the two women encountered her and
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  Speaker 1: delivered the sad news that would have awaited sunrise otherwise
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  Speaker 1: she had brought them back to her smaller sitting room
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  Speaker 1: to discuss the matter behind a ward against listeners. My
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  Speaker 1: brain were Do you hear that? My brain worked?
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: That was pretty good. You only had to like stop once,
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  Speaker 2: that was amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's gonna be such a light edit on that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's always happy when it's light edit.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, this is this is the situation.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So there's a bunch of kinswomen dying. They're being
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: killed left and right by as far as we can tell, Serene. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: Carrie Anne, Carrie Anne, We're gonna go with the hard
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  Speaker 2: c on her. Yeah, you know, you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: what throws me off about her is because it's a ce.
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  Speaker 2: It almost feels like the sea should be a soft sea.
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  Speaker 2: So she almost sounds like she should be another.
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  Speaker 1: S name, right, right, And she's paired with Siritha, who's
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  Speaker 1: literally an S name.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so it should be so I almost want
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  Speaker 2: to say Serene and Serritha, which I don't know if
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: what do they do? They use Serene in the audio books?
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  Speaker 2: Are you sure it's Korean Karen?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm pretty sure it's Karene. Now I want to
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: go back and listen to it, but I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: it's Karene. Maybe I'll just like splice a little slice
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  Speaker 1: of the audio.
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  Speaker 2: But I've got a wonder it's a case sound I
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  Speaker 2: gotta wonder if they didn't mess up once or twice
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  Speaker 2: and used Yes, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Just saying it could have happened possibly, But yeah, she
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  Speaker 1: presumably has killed all of them, which I believe. It's
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  Speaker 1: ten sisters in ten days is the suspected body count.
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  Speaker 1: She says, seven sisters in Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Three women murdered with the one power in the last
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  Speaker 2: ten days, and very likely seven more before that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's ten people over more than ten days.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, three in the last ten days, and then seven
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Going back to when Adalius was murdered. Right, Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: think this is the first of that ten.
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  Speaker 2: That would be my assumption.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, of that seven, which adds to.
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  Speaker 2: Ten, assuming that's not just the kids woman, right, Adalius
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  Speaker 2: may not be counted in that.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think she's counted because it's ten like of
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  Speaker 1: the group, right, Like you're not really saying like, oh well,
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  Speaker 1: it counts differently if it's no, like, it's ten women
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  Speaker 1: of the group who have been murdered. And also I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to point out it's been ten days since Hark
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  Speaker 1: got sent to watch Melar. It's specifically a ten day
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  Speaker 1: interval that we're emphasizing here. Twice it's been ten days
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  Speaker 1: for the last three murders to occur, and it's also
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  Speaker 1: been ten days that Hark has been following Melar.
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  Speaker 2: Which is ten days since we last saw Eline.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, is that the last time we saw a Lane?
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  Speaker 2: Pretty sure? Yeah, let me double check that. But the
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  Speaker 2: last time we saw her was chapter seventeen. She meets
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: with Dilon in the map room, reporting that six high
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  Speaker 2: lords are still neutral. Okay, where did she meet with Hark?
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  Speaker 1: Let's see, it's chapter sixteen. I just happened to flip
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  Speaker 1: to it, and I have a note on it. It's
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  Speaker 1: the new follower of Doulen Melar, is my note.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that hole is you know, like fourteen fifteen,
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  Speaker 2: sixteen seventeen. I think that era was, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: last Elane chunk we saw, So that was ten days ago.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, yeah, so just to we can all
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  Speaker 1: orient ourselves, that was like four hundred pages ago in
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  Speaker 1: the right back.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, hell, in these books, the
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  Speaker 2: fact that we actually get to see a character twice.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Remember in the last couple of books, we'd see a
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: character for four or five chapters and that was it.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: That's all we get for that chap of that character
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  Speaker 2: for that book. So it's nice that we're bouncing around
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  Speaker 2: a little bit and actually coming back to these characters.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah for the fine finale, right, but yeah, we're with
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  Speaker 2: her for a couple of more chapters for his whole
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  Speaker 2: kidnapping and breaking out thing, which then ends with her
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  Speaker 2: actually having enough support to take the throne.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In many ways this is
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: a good move for her, but only because she has
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Taveran levels of things breaking her way.
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  Speaker 2: Taverean biproxy.
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  Speaker 1: Man, it's got to be she's pregnant with the Tavern's babies.
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  Speaker 1: There's a halo effect.
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  Speaker 2: Right exactly. So we also get a little bit about
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  Speaker 2: random here, right, she gets a small jolt of pain.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: That's him losing his hand.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like when seismographs in Oregon pick up on
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: a volcanic eruption in Tunga, right, right, right, that's the
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: kind of like small jolt that we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: It.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, at this distance, we shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: getting any jolts. That was definitely the hand getting blasted off,
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  Speaker 1: and also his eyes getting damaged.
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  Speaker 2: And then he's traveling one day, he's so far to
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  Speaker 2: the southeast. That seems to be tier because he's in
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: tiar a lot, and then to the northwest even more distant.
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  Speaker 2: I think Aridomon sure is what my research told me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense because he is gonna be going
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  Speaker 1: out there shortly.
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  Speaker 2: She can't love it. She can't sleep, and she can't
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  Speaker 2: get up to get some warm goat's milk. That never
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  Speaker 2: helps her in. There's no Nori being like, oh I
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: love warm goat's milk. Yam yam, yam.
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  Speaker 1: Right, He's like, I happen to like it. It's very
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: helpful for going to sleep totally. And I'm like, look, sir,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I get that you're like a weird old man who
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: probably does need milk and prunes on a nightly basis,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: But like, I think you might be lying. But it's
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: an adorable lie. I really like it. It's a saving face,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: adorable lie that makes him seem like a weird old
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: man and it's like cute.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: You think he's lying about liking warm goat'smell.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's just saying that.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: To like, oh, I know, I think he's used a
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: weird old man who actually likes it. Like, I think
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: this looks like warm milk putting you to sleep is
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: totally a thing.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I have read that many times, I have tried it.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I disagree.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: My mom used to make it for me when I
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: was a kid, but it was always with a bunch
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: of sugar in it and like vanilla flavoring. It was
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: basically a milkhake.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah see, I did it with vanilla. I never put
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: sugar in it, but I did put vanilla in it,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: and I did enjoy that, but it didn't help me
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: go to sleep. It was just a thing I enjoyed.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Well well, sure, yeah, well, I mean, fuck, it probably
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: is Paceibo effect right here. This helps you go to sleep.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Kids give it to you and it's like okay, I
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: guess I have something and it's like warm and you're
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: kind of full, and it just it just helps you
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: if you're hungry, it kind of ties you through the night. Whatever.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, which is a mood. But also again, I
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: hate heat, So I'm like, there's a good chunk at
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: the year when I am not wanting to put warm things. Dog,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to consume things in them, like, no,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: give me cold milk, any cold things. So I could
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: believe either way that Nori is either into warm goats
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: milk or not. I kind of always assumed it was
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: like a cute, little saving face lie. But he might
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: also be of an age where he really needs his
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: warm milk and prunes.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: So right, that's all I'm saying.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: That's super reasonable.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just so frustrating because she's like,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: oh my god, I can't hate I hate this and
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: it doesn't work for me, But of course it would
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: work for this old man, right, like, and that's why
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: everyone keeps recommending it. But it's just it doesn't make sense.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, conventional wisdom among the palace staff is that
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: it works, because it does for a lot of them.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Sure, that's what I'm saying.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's I'd never thought about it that deeply,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: But that's super reasonable.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: It's just she hates it, right, And she's also not
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: an old lady who needs like, you know, warm milk
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: to go to bed. Yeah, well she has she has, Yeah,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: she has a good midwife though.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Now right, the midwife is mentioned in here. But before
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: we get to Nori, we have Duhara to deal with.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, Dohara, who never made a secret of her odd jaw,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: As it says in the text.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Her so black you can't see the red slashes until
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the light catches it a certain way.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's black as black can be. This is a
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: black dark friend alert on full blast.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she walks in, Like, first of all, she just
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: walks in, screaming her allegiance because she respects no boundaries
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: at all. Right, she shows up in the middle of
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the night and expects Elaine to be woken to greet her,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: and then doesn't even allow for the guard to finish
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: negotiating that Eline's already awake before barging in. It's like
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: she's as bad as the sea folks. She's worse than
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: the sea folk. The seafolk only barged in during a bath,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: not in the middle of the night. Right, So it's
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: like the boundary invasion is a lot, even for someone
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: coming from Elida. But yeah, her her clothes, it's like,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, in certain lights you can tell that there's
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: red in all that darkness. It's like ooh ooh.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: And she's actually been pretty heavily involved in events, right,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I mean she is very old, right, she's two hundred
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and thirty six. She was a sitter in the Hall
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: for the Red. She was a keeper of the chronicles
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: under an armor Lench. So she's been keeper Oh.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Wow, oh wow, I didn't know that.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Uh, but you know, there's just like a whole bunch
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: of stuff. She killed a small group of Reds.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: What when?
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Wait? No, sorry, wait, hold on, Siren was killed by
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: a small group of Reds and it may have involved
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Duran in the vileness, So she may have been involved
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: in the vileness.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Right, she was keeper for Sierra and Value.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was keeper for Ciren. What.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she definitely was involved in Sierra and Value's death. Wow,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I did not know that about whoa whoa wow.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: And there is in the wheel of time companion can
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: read that she stood disposed Tousanche, but she wasn't a
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: sitter at the time. So the Red Sitters were a
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: light up Pavara and Teslin, so there was some confusion
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: about she was initially listed to someone who stood to
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: depose too, but she.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Couldn't because she was not a sitter. Okay, okay, But
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: she's been all up in the halls of power doing
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: dark friendy stuff for as long as plot relevant events
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: have been happening, and then some she.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Knows that Duhara was uncomfortable talking about fork route, so
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: maybe she knew about it, possibly through the dark frienderie stuff.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And she is part of Heslam's attack on Avienda and
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: she gets barbecued.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Oh Avienda kills her in that in that encounter that
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: ultimately ends with her having a handmaiden to deal with
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: her broken feet. Wow. Cool. Yeah, so yeah, Duhara walks
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: in black Auja as fuck very much in the apogy
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: of her power.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: She is, and we find out officially because she's on
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Varren's list, right.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like I mean, she she's making no secret
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: of it. She's really not. She thinks that she can
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: do whatever she wants and get away with it because
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: she has been for centuries and she just has forgotten
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: what caution looks like. And she comes into tell Elane, hey,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: you're being claimed by Alida. Basically, she's basically trying to
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: assert Elida's white Tower control over Elaine and the Channelers
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: in her sphere of influence.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And tries to be like Rondo mccure, was, you know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: beaten for poison, you know, drugging you? And Elaine's like, no,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: she's beaten for failing to capture me.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for drugging me unsuccessful.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for not bringing me in.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: For drugging me, and then not following through one all
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the other things that we're supposed to come.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: After, because she read those orders in the World of Dreams,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: in the Box of Messages, right, so she remembers exactly
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: what a light is phrasing was and which is to
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: punish her for not and.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: She keeps that information to herself. But we and her
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: get to think about it because she gets to be
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a little omnipresent, like with the reader for a moment,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: which is fun.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: And then what follows is like Duhara trying to undercut
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Elaine's authority as an isid I to the can, hoping
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: that the can will, you know, basically be like, oh,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: you're not actually I sid I. We didn't know that
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: we're gonna, you know, rebel against you. But of course
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: it's dumb because they understand the Tower split and they
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: understand that there's like a different that the Rebel Tower
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: raised her as Amberlin or as.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I said, I Yeah, well, Duhara has a very low
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: view of the intelligence of Wilders, so.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, evil people are prejudiced news at nine, Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: For sure, for sure. She also tries to undercut Elaine's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: confidence in her ability to win the throne by suggesting that, well,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it's the lack of isidie support that has all these
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: houses not flocking to you, and like, you know, maybe
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: we're causing that. Maybe we can turn it around, Like
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: she's I think, digging at Elaine's confidence there, in addition.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: To oh, yeah, but full of bullshit, right, maybe it's us, No,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: it's not. We know, like we can read those lies.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: So yeah, like the divided Tower deciding to weigh in
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: on a civil matter is not going to help resolve anything.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: And that's not why the houses are sitting aside. They're
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: not waiting for the White Towers permission. That's not how
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Andoran politics work. Yes, no, it's not how anyone's politics works.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: And Elaine's already made the point that she has a
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: bunch of channelers nice to eye in there building with her,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and the rebels have none, so like, really, who are the.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Supporting Yeah exactly, it's it's just all very silly. Duhara
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: walks in there with books, old news and books old
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: attitude and thinks she can just personality bluff her way
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: through it. And it's just like have you seen the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: amount of pages since you were last involved in the plot, Like, no,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: this will not work on us.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Books. All that was like what books? Like what books
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: are you? I'm like, oh, my books right.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Thinking, And then she also talks about how Elene is
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: going to have to come back to the Tower to
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: accept her punishment for being an imposter to the Shawl
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: and how she's going to get beaten, and it's just like, again,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: we've been watching a GWayne not respond positively to Elida's beatings,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and now you want to try to deploy this on
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Elaine in her palace. You want to tell her that
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: she's going to.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Come on, no, come voluntarily come to beatings when this
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: other group is totally like made you whole.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like no, you're delusional, Duhara, You're you are cartoon
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: two dimensional mustache twirling pathetic right now, like come on.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It feels like I got the call from my old
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: boss who wanted me to come back and work for
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: the job that I'd asked him for, but I had
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: since moved on to a much better paying job that
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: treated me much better than he ever did, And I
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, well, all you have to do is
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: more than match my pay, which I know you can't do,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: and ensure that I'll be treated well, which I know
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: you can't do, and I'll come right along. I feel
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: like that's like, yeah, she's the same thing where it's like,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: why would I come back to the tower or the
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: rebels treat me so much better? And by the way,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: you're gonna lose. Elaine's yeah, Elia's awful, and it's just
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: amount of time until you know she gets captured by
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Sean Chan and taken back.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Exactly exactly like no, and then Tuha's like, show me
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to my rooms, and Elaine's like, how about you go
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: try to find an airbnb.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: One hop on by the middle of the night, in
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: the middle of the fucking night.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, go find him manger. Okay.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: So and then Master Nori shows up because he saw
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: her getting worms goat smell because he was down in
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: the kitchen getting his own and was like, oh, she
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: must be awake, but she's getting wrong and she's pregnant
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and can't drink wine. So lere's be other people there,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: so she's taking guests so I can come on up. Yeah,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, Spymaster, I.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: See uh huh. He's he's adapting to his role very quickly.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Well. But the news he brings is that Hark followed
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Melar without getting murdered, which is news in and of itself,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to the house on Fulmon Street, which is the dark
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Friends tied out and everything. And he reports this quote
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: a pity there are only two of us, failing the
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: way Lady Shane works us. I think Hark was caught.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I think Hark was compelled in the same way that
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Julian was caught and compelled to tell them. I think
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Hark was caught and they knew because like there's clearly
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: not two of them, more of them show up in
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: this chapter. They know it was a trap. It was
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: set ahead of time. The only way they could have
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: said this is either a knowing they're being observed. But
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I just don't think they're that good. I think that
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Hark was called and compelled to say the information that
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: he gave to them.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I I never really questioned this. I was
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, yeah, he heard what he heard. Do
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: do do do do? Because I am a global little puppy.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: But Ali and Gus are ahead of us now, so
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: we can steal a go exactly, and Ali didn't buy
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: this for one second. She was like, no, that was
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: a trap. And she went with the argument that they
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: had somehow known they were being observed and they like
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: did more normal human non magic subterfuge. But same deal,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: this is a trap and like they know, they very
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: much know, they are very much waiting for her, Like
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Elaine is super walking into a trap. This is not
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: a happy accident. And I was like, I guess that
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: makes sense. And now you're being like literally remember in
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: book four or whatever, when this exact move got deployed.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Like by these exact people.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Mmmm, that is very compelling.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Nice, but yeah, because they did it to Julian, right,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: he showed up and he was the he betrayed the
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: girls to the Black Aja.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: So if they had, if Elaine had thought for five minutes,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: maybe she could have like delved his mind, see if
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: there's any little magical snags lingering around the back there.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe possibly because it's it's so weird to step
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: out on the stoop in the middle of the night
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and say, gee, Willakers, here's the house population, name of
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: person standing next to me I've been hanging out with
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: for days, Like who says that, like, when do you
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: ever like go out on the porch and say, whoo, sir, glad,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: there's only thirty eight people at this party, Like who
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: does that? Who does that?
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: And even even when the I said eye, try and
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: be like, this is not a good idea. Even when
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: the dark friend says this is not a good idea,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: she uses that quote to justify going in.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone thinks this is a bad idea. The dark
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: friend thinks it's a bad idea. Burgita thinks it's a
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: bad idea. Nobody thinks this is a good idea. Except well, yeah,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: exactly Elaine. As Chad says, Elaine thinking is a bit
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: of an oxymoron. But yes, Elaine thinks, quote unquote that
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: this is a good idea. I love you, Elaine, I
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: love you, Elaine. You're great.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Elaine lines up a bunch of cannon fodder to take
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: into the I mean sorry companions to take into the
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: She's like, I'm safe, my babies will be born. Fine,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: you you, and you come with me to the most
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: dangerous place we've ever been.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Because they're all dead, they all.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Die very and all of them have borders. Some of
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: them more than one, so you're bringing in more than
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: two times that many lives with you. Yep, when you
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: do yes and yeah, I mean Elaine does think about
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: some things, but she never thinks about danger. Her bravery
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: is to a catastrophic degree in this case. I'm gonna
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: be fine, It'll all work out. There's no and she
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: literally tells what we'll get them when we get there.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: But like she literally tells Brigita, if I get in trouble,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I'll shout. Two pages later, she's in trouble thinking, well,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I would shout, except that it won't do any good.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that wasn't the agreement, right, right? Agreement good?
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: In trouble you shouts, there's no unless I think that
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: there's no point, like stop throwing yourself on every sword
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: grenade you find.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: They do arrest Melar, She sends people loft to Melar.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: He does get successfully arrested and apparently beat the crap.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: They beat the crap out of him.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: She says, don't be too gentle because the charges are
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: being a dark friend. And I'm like, you're supposed to
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: arrest people with the same care as you don't execute them.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to wait for the trial.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's some person and personal issues going on
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: between these women and Melar.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like he is a terrible person, and
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: it's women getting to like beat up a terrible man
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: who's a horrible misogynist and does all kinds of rapes
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and murderers. And it's like, I don't really care.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: That it also pinches them and talks about them. Yeah.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm supposed to be like, no, it's
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: not fair, you know. I feel like the ACLU defending
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Nazis or something like this is this is not what
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I want to do.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're not. Yeah, they're not beating him up
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: because of you know, what category he belongs to or
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: what group he belongs to. They're beating him up because
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: he's a fucking jackass.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Which I mean, yeah, it is very self evident. He
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: does not hide tassaga so to speak.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: No, So, yeah, we get the Brigide, we get Brigida,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: a bunch of guards women, four or I should say
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: three other eyes an eye.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh and and Elaine ropes hark into a new career.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Also, he's like, so I get to leave now, right,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: She's like uh or you work for Master Norri forever now.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: And Master Nory is like, I definitely didn't see this coming,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and I'm not at all prepared to say yes without
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: batting an eye. No, he's Hark. Nori saw this coming
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: a mile away and was totally like, oh, yes, I
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: can definitely do with a disposable spy.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: This feels like kind of how they got a hold
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: of van In.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Very much so. It's like less brute force. It's a
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: little bit more like hyper personalized, but yes, and it
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: keeps him from criming again, which apparently would be a
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: capital offense.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: And the only other thing I have on Hark is
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: he reports to Nory that Duhara has been secretly calling
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: on Ilorian in Towers of Midnight.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, because she's very committed to the thing
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: where she's supposed to undermine a Lane's rise to power.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: She's very committed to that mission.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, here's something I was thinking about. She took a
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: seat one of the low black chairs around the scrollage
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: table and release Cidar again. Since her experiment at holding
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: the power all day, she had not held it longer
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: than necessary. How many pregnant women do you think hold
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: the power all day. First of all, how many women
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: who can channel are get pregnant, not that many. Second
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: of all, how many of those experiment with holding the
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: power all day?
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Not that many?
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if this has anything to do with
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the fact that her children can hold the power from birth.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: If we believe Avienda's vision of the future, that Rand's
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: children will be special in some way and that they'll
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: be able to hold pat the power from birth all
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: the time. And I have to wonder if maybe her
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: experimenting with the one power here and holding it somehow
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: influence the children.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: One does wonder? I definitely was also connecting those thoughts,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: being like, I wonder if this increases the odds of
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: that thing that Avianda's children experience. Does Avianda perform a
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: similar experiment while she's pregnant. We'll never know because it's
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: all off page, But yeah, I also was wondering if
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: those things are connected, and I.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Do, okay, And I understand that, yes, the vision was
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: about Avienda's children, but she talks about all four children, right,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: so it's like more, aren't they? Zavianda have four? I
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: always get this mixed up.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, she has the quartet and yes. In the vision,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: they are described as all having that power ability. It
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: does not include describing Elaine's children in that way. But
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: it's a worthy question.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: We don't find anything out about Elaine's children, do we.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: No. No, they meet one of them, who's the Queen
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: of Andor. They go into the meeting with the Queen
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: of Andor, and it's very antagonistic. They're supposed to be
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: friends because their mothers were friends, but they're not friends,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: so we don't get into her head at all.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: And they're siblings, they're half siblings.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah that too.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Anyway, grumble grumble, grumble.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, she's pacing back and forth
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: thinking about the Black Sisters and Duhara once again, I remember,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: we don't know that Duhara is black Auger yet, right, So,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: but Elaine is pacing frantically thinking about all these different things,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and it's mostly about black sisters and then a little
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: bit about Juhara. There's also so it's just like it's
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: that little foreshadowing of like, yeah, there's a reason why
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Duhara is in the mix with all this other stuff,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Like it's because they're they're actually more similar than they
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: are separate and then we have a fun physical comedy
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: scene where different characters come in and have different responses,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: like to the conversation. You don't actually see the conversation,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: you just see people like look, so there's the women
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that come in and say comment on the conversation they
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: just overheard. And then all the warders come in and
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: take one look at Hark and the position themselves to
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: like guard him, and it's it's a very like funny
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: set of passages. It's good physical comedy. Starting with what
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: hair brained crack painted scheme? Are you talking about? Brigida
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: from Van Deen? Which is just fantastic hair brained crack
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: painted Like, my god, I.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Always read that as crack brained, but yeah, I guess
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: you're right.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I definitely it means the same thing because Pate is head,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: so you know it means the same thing.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: But you know what kind of crackhead scheme you talk about?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Oh it's Elaine's.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, two black sisters. Serena exclaimed, what about
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Feliane and Marilyn Carriana asked, like, you know, it's very
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: sitcomy for a moment, and Hark just is like watching
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: us like every like scary warrior man comes into the room,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: takes one look at him, and then takes up positions.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: It's like this dude sketchy, and he's just.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Like, man, I'm not that scary. I don't need that
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: many cards, And I.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Like Sreita makes a good point. Even if he heard correctly,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: nothing says they're still only two sisters in the house
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: or any If they have gone, there's no danger. But
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: if others have joined them, we might as well put
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: our necks in a noose and spring the traps ourselves.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Which considering that she is a good person who dies
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: because of this, yeah, she's the only real like victim
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: here that Elaine, because like you know, Vandin gets what
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: she wants and Kareein deserves to die.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: But Sitha, Serena and her warders are actual like caught
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: in the crossfire victims of all this. Yeah, because yeah,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I'd say that Vandine and her warder were both on
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: a suicide mission the whole time, so like, definitely they're
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: not victims in the same way. But yeah, Soritha and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: her guys like they're just doing their best, and their
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: best involves being cannon fodder.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, throw a red shirt on and move on. And
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: this chapter really makes you focus on Soretha as the
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: dark friend. It really seems to be pointing you in
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: that direction until it's the reveal that it is Kareem.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: So I understand why you had that confusion earlier, Like
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: that's such an easy Like this whole chapter, you're reading
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: it like, Okay, Siretha's the dark friend. Cool, when's the reveal?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Oh no it's not.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, j RJ really set me up for failure
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: on that one.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good job well by not actually differentiating between the
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: characters enough right in the first place. Yeah, because the
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: only differentiation is one's dark friend and one's.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Not, and one's an s name and one's not, and
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: those two things are both more memorable, so clearly they're
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: the same person.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Well, and also you don't learn about the difference until
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: basically the end of their storyline.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Right, you are wonder they're both suspects?
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, whole time, Yes, the whole time.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good writing on his part.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I also don't think I realized how much late at
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: night this was. I think reading it, somehow my brain
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: transported this to early morning that she waited until the
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: next morning to go out that she wasn't doing it
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the night. Yeah, this is like
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: pitch black middle of the night clandestine operations.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: It is two in the morning, so it is technically
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: after midnight, but it is still the middle of the night.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: But then the battle that puts her on the throne
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: takes place in daylight because dawn has arrived. Because it
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: is two in the morning, dawn is not far off.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the sky to the east was still dark, but
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: it must be less than two hours still, first light.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Right, which four in the morning. Yeah, the very first
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: light when you don't have artificial light is yeah, you
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: have four or four thirty.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Trust me, I get up at that time. I know.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: There's a scene here where they're walking through and I
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: had never really paid attention to the detail here. But
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: she's got soldiers parked in the parks. She's got soldiers
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: camping in the palace parks because it allows them to
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: be near their horses and near the traveling grounds. And
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: it's just like suddenly the palace grounds take on a
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: whole new look in my mind, because in my mind,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: the palace is the palace. But like, no, she's brought
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: like whole cavalry units into parks that are normally open,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: pleasant spaces for people to go walking and playing croquet
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Versailles. Bullshit is happening, right, and now it's
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: turned into like a war camp with like horses like
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: being picketed amongst the rose bushes and stuff, you know.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: And I just had never seen that little half scene before.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: I kind of think of it like an airport, right,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: because gateways are creating this very localized zone where you
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: can skip over everything in between and come out in
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: this other very localized zone. And you want to create
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: these hubs of travel because it's very easy to create
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: a hub, so you can skip, you know, take different flights,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: or you know, make connecting gateways. You know. Can you
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: imagine buying a ticket and it's like, okay, you got
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: to make your connecting gateway or it's going to close,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: like I'm running late. Well, don't be too late. You'll
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: be sliced in half.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this would never run again.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not my fault. My channeler was late
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: for my initial gateway, right right, yeah, yeah, but yeah,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I kind of imagine this as a hub, right for
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: where she's sending out all troops out to various because
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: didn't you say, like it's too big to patrol the walls.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: So basically what they do is they have messengers come.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I forget how they get the messenger back, but they
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: send messages back to the central location, and then they
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: just send the troops out to the location where the
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: attack is rather than manning.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: All the walls.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and like so so yeah, they're not using
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the horses necessarily every time. It's mostly on foot. But yeah,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: they're all right there, like in like these nice garden
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: parks where like normally only the nobility hangout, and these
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: are just like normal soldiers just like vibing next to
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: these exotic flowers that have been maintained all the time,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and their horses are just like being carefully kept away
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: from like the petunias.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: And some horses sitting on Elida's roses that she put
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of power into creating.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: He's fertilizing them.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Ah, that's a lot of horseshit.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: It is a lot of horseshit. Horses shit so much. So, yeah,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: that's that's just a fun little like I had never
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: noticed that scenery detail like in this, and it just
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: stood out to me, like, wow, the palace has really
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: changed in an olfactory and auditorium and material way as
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: an experience.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: You know, mm hmm. Yeah, Alane's created something a little
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: bit different with the resources she has. Yes, So they
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: they end up to the house right, and Hark points
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: it out and it's got a light on the second floor.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they ride out, They ride through the old city
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: out to the new city, ride through a bunch of
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: twisting streets. It's like a whole thing. And then yeah,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Hark's like, I'm gonna be as far back at the
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: back of the party as possible, while still pointing at
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: the house in question.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Jamee Van Deene's warder heads out and basically does the
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: scouting inside the house.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he does the don't look like you're sneaking and
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: then no one will assume that you're not where you
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: should be trick.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: And he comes across the guy who killed Bores Jacob Cardon, Yes.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: The man who actually did the dumping of the brandy barrel. Yes.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: And the guy who's been forcibly paired off with Fhallion.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Also, and his name is Murrellen.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Faalian has to put up with him because
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: melar Is is like not properly abusing her. It's a
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: whole weird thing. He's not great. He's a bit part,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: but he's not great.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: He's only really in two scenes, the murder of Bores
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: and then this scene here, so we can see him
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: be electrous murderer and then a drunken idiot.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he just gets tied up so that he
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: can't do anything. Presumably he you know, wakes up at
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: some point and gets free somehow and wanders off to
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: find other dark friends to work for her.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm assuming the dark because the Dark Friends
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: kind of win here, right, So I assume they just
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: go down and on tie him.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, no, they probably totally yeah, because they
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: need him to like drive the wagon or whatever.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: So right, yeah right.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Also, also doors are unlocked trusting for dark friends Joe, yes,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: and or it's oh, these seem to be rather trusting
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: dark friends, And it's like this very much supports the
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: idea that they wanted that this is a track. There's
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: a drop that they wanted to land to get in. However,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: she tries to get in, She's gonna find it relatively
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: easy to get into the trap because it's a fucking
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: trap because dark friends they're never trusting. There are no
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: trusting dark friends.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: They're like, here, drink this wine and go pass out
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: in the stable, right like they wanted him to do that, exactly, exactly,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: no good catch. I highlighted that, but I didn't think
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: about how. Yeah, of course it's open they want it's trapped. Yeah, yeah,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Elaine sets up this sort of clever She
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: knows that either Saritha or Karene are dark friends, so
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: she has Vanden meld the flows with Karene, who is
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: the dark friend, and so Vandean's in control, and then
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: she's in control of the flows with Siritha. And she
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: says it's just like, oh, it's two on two, we
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: won't get overwhelmed, right, which makes sense, But it's also
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: just so that like she doesn't have a dark friend
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: channeling behind.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Her, right, and so she can can control it, so
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: that two people who are good can control the weaves.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: And Serritha's the one who complains the most, but they
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: both complain, so again really keeping your eye on Siritha.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, she uses the power to invert their
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: ability to make it a little easier for the sneaky
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: sneaking to.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Work, and Kareene makes a little sigh. Once they're inside.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: May they go into the house and carreem size with
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: relieve And at that point, at that point, you should
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: know Darkfrid. That's how you know it's the Dark Friend,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: because she is now trying to alert whoever's in the house.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: And don't forget, she's also the same one that took
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: her hood off when they were going into the kin
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: and caused them all to scatter. She's the one who
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: like revealed a little bit. Oh whoops, accidental reveal.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Weaponize incompetence right here, y' that's what this is.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whoops, I made a mistake inside. No, you didn't.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: You were trying to let someone know you were in here.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Because she doesn't know it's a trap, she's assuming that
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Elene is actually doing getting one up on the Dark Friends.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: She has no idea that there's actually a trap here.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: She's doing her part to try to allow them to
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: put together a trap at the last minute, not realizing
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the trap is much bigger than that, because how would
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: she now.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Do you think the Red Sister Duhara has any involvement
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: in this or do you think she's independently being set.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's completely independent because I think she's on
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: a different mission.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I agree with that. I feel like she's
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: in a very different silo of dark friendery. They have
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: so much isolation and sell isolation basically that. Yeah, I
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: think that's a coincidence. Maybe somebody somewhere high up knows
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: that they're both happening at the same time, But yeah,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're connected deliberately agreed. Okay, So they
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: get up there to the door. Elaine's able to overhear
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: a conversation briefly where Shane is scolding the other two
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: eyes to die, who are facing away, So she's able
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: to dramatically enter the room, put shields on them, put
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: bonds of air on them, formally read out the charges.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Everything's going great and then boom, everything is not going
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: so great.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: And then spark. So there's one of the tarangreal that
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: was stolen way back in you know what, book two
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: three when they're going to tan Chico.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is an old turn, and this was
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: brought up in the conversation. They have powerful ter on Grell.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: You've seen them have perful terur on Greyl may, we
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: should be careful of the powerful tarangria all wait that
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: they have that we don't even know what they all do.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: And Elaine's just like skipping inside with glee. Burgita thought
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: this would be dangerous. Magical tarangriol hits her upside the head.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: It's just like, ah, yeah, oh, can I say it
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: drove me a little nuts again doing my reread and
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: ninive when the tearran grirall were stolen, knew what bail
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: was like, Oh, one of those Tarangriral the black Rod
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: produces bailfire, right, knows what bailfire is. Know the black
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Rod produces bailfire. The black Rod shoots bailfire at her
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: when she's fighting Mogedi in in the famous Battle of Tanchiko,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: when they're just staring at each other doing nothing right.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: She identifies and in that moment she goes, oh, that's bailfire, right,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: because I know the rod produces bailfire. Later in another book,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: she's exposed to bailfire where Randon and Rovin I believe
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: her fighting and they're throwing bail fire at each other.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: She goes, I have no idea what that weave is
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: that strange molten light yep, And I go, wait, you've
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: seen bailfire. You know what bail fire was. You identified
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: it as coming from this black rod. So anyway, I
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: think that was a I actually caught a bit of
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: an error.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Yep, that is a continenty air for sure.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: But that just brings it up because the rod is
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: back right like they kind of reference that again.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is not the bailfire rod. This is
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: the stun gun rod right right, And this is it's
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: we get a little bit of really like shoehorned in
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: exposition about it. But it's essentially like a stun gun
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: that you can change. It's more like a phaser from
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Star Trek really, because you could pick how how intense
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: the punch is at a greater distance than a stunt
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: gun really has. So it's more like a phaser that
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a lethal setting as far as I can tell,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: but it's enough to startle and disrupt their connection to Sidar,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: which is I think a big part of what the
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: sparks are supposed to do is to Because I'm assuming
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: this is a weapon, well, no, she says, it's a
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: weapon from the age of legends, So I'm assuming it
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: was meant to be used on channelers to disrupt their
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: ability to channel long enough to then put a shield
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: on them. Even if they're channeling and linked and angry
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: aled up. If they lose the source for a moment,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: that means that their amplitudes all the way back to
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: zero and you can shield them just as easy as
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: anyone else.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Would you call this a shock lance?
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I would assume a shock lance would be bigger, more
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: of a rifle type item, or even a lance type item.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I imagine this is more like oath rod sized. Yeah,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: she's a small bent black rod, perhaps an inch in diameter.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: So I feel like shock lance invokes a larger object
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, But at the same time, you know, rods of
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Dominion were apparently people. Yeah, right, So you know a
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: lance could be just anything you point at somebody right
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: and lances out electricity.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like we get a description of a shock
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: lance in a dark in a forsaken scene at one point,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: either that or at least someone just says, ooh, is
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: that a shock But I don't know if we should
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: get a visual of it.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Almost nothing is known about shock lances other than
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: the name.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's one of those things where it gets
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: mentioned but not described. Yeah, all right, well it could
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: be a shock lance.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Morgan shows one to Grendel. When's that Ah, it's.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Where the line I'm thinking of comes from.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Towers of Midnight, chapter five, Encyclopedia. Watt's not working right now,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: so I'm using the way back machine. Yeah, he's got
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: a shock lance a blinder. I don't think it describes it.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: It's just like a shock lance.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't like a handheld object being called
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: a lance. That just does not work from my brain
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's not correct. I just disagree if it
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: is correct, and I don't think it should be.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Ye having hema on facing an army full of people
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: with those things that can just kill you at a
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: distance if they pointed at you and pull the trigger,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: and the one power is can't stop it or do
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: anything about it.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I mean sounds like a World War One sort of moment. Yeah, yep,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: it's like wait, gatling guns do what now?
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like again we didn't know. Yeah, we get
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: references to these things, but again, this is never it's like, oh,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: there's there's a shock lance moving on, You're like, but
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: what is it, Jordan, you describe everything?
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Come on, kim me right, right, but this is shocking.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: It does seem to be literally utilizing some kind of
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: like electrical shock charge kind of thing. So that's fair.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: I imagine it's producing some sort of yeah, some sort
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: of charge at a distance. Right.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I wonder if this is a controlled and amplified version
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: of what Sita did when she was trying to like
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: worm her way into lessons from the iside. Right, she
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: did something that caused a cascade of sparks over the isidye,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: that caused them to leap about, Like, I wonder if
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: she was stumbling onto the uh. One of the root
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: ingredients for this tool maybe a handheld chock lance, kind
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: of like a handgun versus a rifle. Like sure, yeah,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: maybe there's a little shocks stick, but they still call
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: them lances just because brand. Yeah, but it works. It
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: allows for the whole party to get disabled all in
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: one fell swoop, to the point that Elaine doesn't think
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: it's worth getting rescued.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm assuming it's all getting basically yet taste is
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: my just based on the description of it.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure seems like it. The only difference is
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: that there's not little like metal bits attached to wires.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: It's actually a wireless taser.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: The Dark Friends realize the girls have a way of
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: inverting their weaves and hiding their ability to channel right,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: because they're not using that and like, why did you
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: just stand there? And they're like, we were caught, Like oh,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: we couldn't see it.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. They they learned that there's more to the
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: power than the Dark Friends above them have been sharing
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: all in one quick moment, because this is stuff that
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: they learned that Elaine learned from Mogedian, right, like they
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: were under Mgeddian's patronage and they never got these tricks
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: out of her.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: And so then they talk about, Okay, we're gonna kill
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: them all just because we only need a lane, and
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Marilyn says, spare Carrinine because she's at our friend, which
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: is all Vanding needs to use that knife.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she has that knife ready to go. The second
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: that she hears carry On being carry Ona being defended
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: by the Dark Friends, she is like, mmm, no, no,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: your Ajorda is mine. You are dead.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, up through the rip cage into the heart. She
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: pretty much is dead by the time she hits the ground.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: No chance of.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Recovery, yeah there is. Yeah, she makes sure to give
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: her a blow that will kill her fast, so there's
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: no saving her. And then she gets killed very nearly
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: as quick as she knows she has to move fast
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: to get that revenge killing in and yes, yes she does.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: And Chessmel the healer in quotes uses an inverted healing
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: weave to basically kill a vandine. I think that's what
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: it is, that that mix of fire, earth and water.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Is this like inverted heeling.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Because like you remember, Chesmel is yellow, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: and she can stop a man's heart quite easily, like yeah, no,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: she definitely uses some little thing to cause yeah, brain failure,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: organ failure, heart failure like she does.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Heart failure would be my assumption there.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one assumes that either that or she just like
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: severs the spinal column or like seizures it out or something.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean they just drop right like that.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: That does sound like heart failing.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: And she doesn't hesitate a second for were taking out
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Seritha as well?
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah no, because the only one they need is
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: a laine. Everyone else is useless deadweight and sheess was
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: even like, oh, I'd enjoy playing with her. No, Tamyla says,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I'd enjoy playing with them, but we're on a schedule
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: and the only one we need is Elaine. And again
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: this further points to the idea that this was a trap.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: They knew that they would be able to abscond with
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: a high value hostage if they pulled this off right this,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: They did not have to figure out the ooh, should
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: we capture her or kill her? They know they want
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: to capture her. They already know what they're gonna do
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: if they capture her. They've thought this because it's a trap.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: It's a trap, that's yeah, it's just the good old
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: fashioned trap getting into. As I said in the.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Beginning, it's an Andoran cultural trait to see a trap
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: right into it.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm good old trap getting into later, Barton, I'm
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: gonna have a good old time and trip inside, That's
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: what I'm thinking.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: And then it ends with Elaine telling Brigida to run
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: mentally and wishing that the bond would work telepathically, and
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Brandon Sanderson was like, ooh, yeah, telepathic bond, how can
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I And uh, yeah, it's a very exciting cliffhanger of
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: a chapter. We're going to be in the tension of
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: this moment for a couple of chapters, I think, and
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: it'll conclude in a very satisfying way. But we are
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: in the thick of the hair pulling right now.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we get two more chapters and at the end
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: of it, the Lane comes out on top somehow. So yay,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: it's a heerin because by no fault of her own,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a bit of the chess game all
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: concludes at once, right, there's this like strategic cat and
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: mouse for dimensional chess thing that she manages to win
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: because things break her way and she then has an
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: unassailable position at the end. But yeah, it's like feels
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: a little tevere and how well it works, but also
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: it's the most satisfying way it could end, so I'm
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: not mad about it.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: No, And we finally got a conclusion to Van Deen's
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: quest for Vandeen Natalius. I mean, these were some of
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: our earliest eyes to die right that we meet Varren
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Moraine and then Adalius and Vanden right like they are
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: in book two. They are the ones Moraine is meeting
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: super early on these are old school characters, so we
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: just kind of get a conclusion to their their plotline
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: and their story, which I like a lot.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's really satisfying. It's very like it's not
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: full circle because obviously we're leaving them in a very
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: different place than I found them, But like that they
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: don't just peter out and get lost. That they actually
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: have a conclusion is pro foundly satisfying, even if it
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: is a sad conclusion.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: But it is. You don't fuck with one because the
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: other one will take you down. And did.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: It's true. It's true. If you take down my sister,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I will literally devote the rest of my life to
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: taking you down, even with no regard for my own safety.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Like you, life is forfeit. Your life is completely forfeit,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: because my life is forfeit, and the only thing I
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: have left to do is to take you out. And
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: she did, and she did very successfully. Good on you,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Vanden green Aja.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: To the end, and Van Deen was green.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Yep, vengeance achieved. I don't know that Adalius would have
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: necessarily had the knife skills to pull that off. I honestly,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I as sue she would have killed carry on just
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: as fast as Vandein. I don't think she would have
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: struggled that hard just because she was brown Aja.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: I bet logically she would have figured it out way
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: earlier and killed her.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: You know, the brown Naja might have figured it out
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: sooner than the green Aja. Yeah, my green sister. Perhaps
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: maybe perhaps we're not. They were basically the same person.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: They shared one brand sell right.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, all right. I don't think I have anything
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: else to say about that except yeah, I'm looking forward to
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: the next two chapters where we get to wrap up
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: the whole Elaine succession plotline.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be an exciting payoff e time because
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: we are in the end of Knife of Dreams and
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I am really enjoying it. This is good, This is
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: really fun. I'm having a great time with these rereads.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I'm just like finding myself really engrossed in the story
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: for its own sake. It's good.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: But my babies, my babes.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Well babes. Yeah, not looking forward to that part though.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have her moment of truth eventually when she goes.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it wasn't a good idea you think, you
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: think eventually, but that's later. That's because that doesn't happen
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: until Melar captures.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which which doesn't happen until like many steps because
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: of this, like yeah, no, we're I've I've managed to
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: be to get a little bit on listening ahead into
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: the next books, and I'm like, you know, oh yeah,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: yeah this this is a fun like way that this
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: continued because a lot of these characters don't die, a
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: lot of them go on to have many more plot arcs.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: And.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: But this is nonetheless a very satisfying piece of that.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well it just feels like stuff is moving again.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like after being constipated for three books, like, yes,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: we haven't gotten everything out, but things.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Are moving again exactly. We are in the motion and
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: that is enough to celebrate.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Why does that feel good?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: It really does. But yeah, that's all I've got. That's all.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: That's all he wrote.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: All Right, folks, see you next time.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: Bye bye.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Audacity is not your friend.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Audacity is having some audacity right now.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: The audacity of that program, I tell you what.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: It's almost as weird if a name is reaper, if
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: you're talking about like branding, it's like, what are we
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: what are we doing? What are we doing? Exactly?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: But anyway, we're reaping sound to deadly. Yeah, I know,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: you're right, it doesn't work.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, I'm producing content. It's like the opposite
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: of death. But whatever.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Well, Audacity obviously has it's an audio right.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Sure, yes, exactly exactly. I don't know what Reaper's origins.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're coming for the other programs that edit sound.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, them and their open source methodology, their open source Well.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Don't you know open source is going to rule the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: world any minute now?
• 1:02:11
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• 1:02:15
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• 1:02:19
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• 1:02:23
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• 1:02:26
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• 1:02:30
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• 1:02:32
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• 1:02:35
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• 1:02:39
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• 1:02:42
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• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, the amount of money I make with
• 1:02:47
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• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: That and then we're also finally paying Blue Dot sessions correctly.
• 1:02:56
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• 1:03:00
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• 1:03:04
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• 1:03:09
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• 1:03:11
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• 1:03:13
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• 1:03:16
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• 1:03:18
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• 1:03:22
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• 1:03:29
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• 1:03:32
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• 1:03:36
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• 1:03:37
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• 1:03:41
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• 1:03:44
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• 1:03:47
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• 1:04:41
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• 1:04:43
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• 1:04:48
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I went to a disaster expo on the
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: coast where they had a bunch of information and talks
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  Speaker 1: about the Cascadia Subduction Zone earthquake and all of the
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  Speaker 1: fallout from that, And they included a suturing class with
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  Speaker 1: a twenty dollars per person fee, and they provided us
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  Speaker 1: with a little kit of tools that we got to
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  Speaker 1: take home of tweezers and scissors and a needle driver,
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  Speaker 1: And they also provided us with a pig's foot, like
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  Speaker 1: is a cold pigs foot on a towel and a
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  Speaker 1: scalpel to make a incision in it, and then some
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  Speaker 1: needles and suture thread and gloves, and there was a
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  Speaker 1: surgeon and a surgical assistant and they taught us how
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  Speaker 1: to put the needle through the flesh and make a knot.
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  Speaker 1: And the knot was really difficult. Even though they said
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  Speaker 1: it was easy, it was really hard.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not shut up.
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  Speaker 1: I see what you did there, and no I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: But it was very I'm we didn't. It was super cool.
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  Speaker 1: It was super weird, for sure. I'm just gonna edit
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  Speaker 1: all that.
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  Speaker 2: I can't stop not making jokes about it.
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  Speaker 1: So now if I ever have to suit your some one,
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  Speaker 1: it will not be the first time. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I know. Fuck you, We're done. It's over, everything's done out,
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  Speaker 1: go away, yes pants. It was very me because disasters
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  Speaker 1: that I had to go.
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  Speaker 4: I had to go.
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  Speaker 1: I did because you created an impossible situation.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm coming back in a seconds now.
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  Speaker 1: I can't edit any of that out because it's all
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  Speaker 1: the build up to this just moment of chaos that
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  Speaker 1: we're all witnessing.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise, there was then a really cool talk about the
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  Speaker 1: CSC response, and it covered everything that I learned in college.
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  Speaker 1: I basically watched it to make sure that they got
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  Speaker 1: their information right. And they did, and they covered all
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  Speaker 1: the stuff I needed that I needed them to cover,
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  Speaker 1: which was very cool, including the CEI up in Portland,
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  Speaker 1: the Critical Energy Infrastructure Hub that is an absolute bomb
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  Speaker 1: waiting to go off, series of bombs technically. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was just and then you know, like there was
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  Speaker 1: your basic like the cops and the local ham radio
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  Speaker 1: club and like a whole bunch of stuff, got a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of info. Free water bottles. Nice, Yeah, you got
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  Speaker 1: to love a free water bottle. But yeah, future in class.
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  Speaker 1: It was weird.
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  Speaker 2: Never had her bachelorette party this week and she was
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  Speaker 2: actually a three day event. They got her hotel and
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  Speaker 2: they actually got a boat out on the river and
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  Speaker 2: they went for yeah, and it was like they didn't
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  Speaker 2: have a captain or anything. It was like they were
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  Speaker 2: allowed to drive the boat themselves. And it was yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I said, but it was like limited like
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  Speaker 2: five miles an hours as fast.
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  Speaker 1: As it goes, Okay, that's le's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they had a blast. They had a blast
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  Speaker 2: out on the out on the river and they went
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  Speaker 2: to karaoke and did all sorts of fun stuff and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just sounded like a blast, but I went to help.
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  Speaker 2: You know, basically, when they were done, I was referring
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  Speaker 2: people everywhere, and so I had a day or two
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  Speaker 2: of sort of driving people to where they needed to
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  Speaker 2: go and making and getting sure everyone got fed because
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  Speaker 2: it was sort of like it ended, and then they
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  Speaker 2: kind of didn't really have great plans on how to
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  Speaker 2: get back. So ah, yeah, yeah, they'd all like come
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  Speaker 2: to the hotel. Yeah, so I got to show up
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  Speaker 2: for the like the hangover brunch after the three days
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  Speaker 2: of partying, and let me tell you, the energy there
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  Speaker 2: was very different than the ones I saw on the videos.
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  Speaker 1: A good time was that.
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  Speaker 2: A good time was had. Very few people were able
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  Speaker 2: to stomach any of the breakfast food. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: uneaten breakfast sat on that table for about an hour
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  Speaker 2: while people pushed around, pushed it around and went, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel so good.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's good. It sounds like memories had the potential
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  Speaker 1: to be formed, except for the amount of drugs that waste.
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  Speaker 2: Photos were had. Okay, okay, the events so like memories
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  Speaker 2: exist in photographic form, but definitely there's a few of
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  Speaker 2: those photos where never goes I don't, I don't remember
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  Speaker 2: that I don't know what's going on there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that sounds like it was very much her speed
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  Speaker 1: and not at all the speed that your bachelor party
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  Speaker 1: was at.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, my speed, My bachelor speed was slightly different.
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  Speaker 1: But but I'm glad that she got she got what
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  Speaker 1: she wanted. Yes, she had the experience that she was
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  Speaker 1: looking for, and that's the point. Yes, and so did you,
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  Speaker 1: and that's you both got what you wanted to get
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  Speaker 1: out of that obligatory experience.
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  Speaker 2: But she had, you know, she had friends who flew
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  Speaker 2: from pretty far away to come in for the just
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  Speaker 2: for the bachelorette party. So wow, yeah, they had they
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  Speaker 2: had good time. And the people who've you know, you
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  Speaker 2: live in one city long enough and people disperse and
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  Speaker 2: it's just it's hard to keep everyone in the same
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  Speaker 2: place at any given time. So you make friends over time,
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  Speaker 2: and you have to bring him back in and it
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  Speaker 2: takes good friends to fly out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure. The other thing I did
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend was go into town into the valley
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  Speaker 1: and see some family who had flown in from Texas, specifically,
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  Speaker 1: like my aunt brought my grandpa, like, because he's getting
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  Speaker 1: older and it would be nice for him to get
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  Speaker 1: to see the Oregon branch of the family, and Texas
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  Speaker 1: is a long way away, so she like brought him
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  Speaker 1: so that we could come hang out with him for
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  Speaker 1: an afternoon. And I got to me one of my cousins,
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  Speaker 1: which was cool because I've never actually met my cousins
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  Speaker 1: in person because Texas and I grew up in Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: How did that go? I was the meeting?
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  Speaker 1: It was great, It was great. I uh, yeah, my
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: grandpa's doing really well. You know, he's in his old
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  Speaker 1: person decline, but like he's in a really good place
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  Speaker 1: in his life. Also, like he's hit like a really
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  Speaker 1: really good place like emotionally, and he's taking care of himself.
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  Speaker 1: And so he was very like present and engaged. And
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  Speaker 1: my aunt is really funny and intense. And yeah, my
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  Speaker 1: cousin is nineteen and just like looks so much like
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  Speaker 1: pictures of my dad at that age. Just like like
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  Speaker 1: I just keep looking at him, being like, if this
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  Speaker 1: was just if you're just wearing eighties.
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  Speaker 2: Fashion, like you'd be identicult.
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  Speaker 1: It's you know, it's how genetics work, I guess, But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was very fun. It was very nice.
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  Speaker 1: My dad and his partner just bought a house and
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  Speaker 1: they clearly love getting to entertain in it, Like she
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  Speaker 1: loves having a house full of family, and it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: even matter that it's not her family, Like she's just
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  Speaker 1: so happy to be bustling around making sure everyone has tea,
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  Speaker 1: And just like it was a fairy a good visit.
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  Speaker 1: We only intended to stay for lunch, but ended up
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  Speaker 1: staying for dinner because we were just having such a
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  Speaker 1: good time talking and then it got late. And so
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  Speaker 1: that's true.
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  Speaker 2: I've got food. Yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, the Texas is a really long way away.
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  Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time comparing climates and just
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  Speaker 1: how wildly different they are.
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  Speaker 2: I remember, I.
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  Speaker 1: Remember so far away and so disgusting.
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  Speaker 2: Houston for three years. Let me tell you, one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent humidity and one hundred degrees outside was not uncommon
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  Speaker 2: for more than a week at a time.
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  Speaker 1: The one time I went to Texas, as I was
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  Speaker 1: telling my cousin, was for his parents' wedding, which was, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the middle of summer in Houston. It was the one
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  Speaker 1: time I've ever been to Texas. It was just like,
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  Speaker 1: I did not know that the world produced a hellscape
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  Speaker 1: on this level of no it is.
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  Speaker 2: I did not know the only way to survive it
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  Speaker 2: is air conditioning.
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  Speaker 1: Truly, truly, you are dashing from air conditioned to pop
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  Speaker 1: to air conditioned pod like this is not You're not
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm like, may people like, can we survive on Mars?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, we survive in Houston. I don't see why not,
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  Speaker 2: Like it can't be worse than that. Oh I rag
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  Speaker 2: on it, but I really do hate it. I did
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  Speaker 2: not like Houston, folks. I lived in Sugarland Suburbia, which
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was. It used to be mud fields
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  Speaker 2: where they grew sugar cane and they tore it down
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  Speaker 2: and put up houses.
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh, Yeah, that doesn't sound pleasant at all.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing anywhere. Ever, it's swampland so sometimes it floods.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's the exciting part. But they've built they build
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  Speaker 2: these giant levees. The levees are crazy. I've never seen
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  Speaker 2: anything like it. They are these V shaped pits that
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  Speaker 2: are just gigantic, and they're empty until it rains and
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  Speaker 2: then a the roaring river is flowing down them and
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: you're like, wow, that would be sweeping over all over
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: our houses right now, if these lovees weren't in place.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like the environment is sending a message. Yeah,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: and that message is get the fuck out. I just
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that you're supposed to be
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: there at least not year round.
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  Speaker 2: And oh and people are saying that the food is amazing.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: The food is amazing, right like in Houston. Don't get
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  Speaker 2: me wrong. I didn't live in fucking Houston. I lived
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  Speaker 2: in Sugarland. The closest restaurant was a forty five minute
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  Speaker 2: drive away, all right. That wasn't an Applebee's or a
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: chain restaurant, you know. Yeah, it's the distances are crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all the distances in Texas are a lot. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My father in law spent a lot of his growing
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  Speaker 1: up in Houston because his dad was working for NASA,
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  Speaker 1: so you kind of have to be in one of
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: the NASA locations. But it was not that's a nice
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  Speaker 1: one in California.
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  Speaker 2: It's Houston right right now. And some people like and
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  Speaker 2: I get some people defend it. There are good things
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  Speaker 2: about Houston. I don't care because the heat makes whatever
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  Speaker 2: else I'm doing there that might be okay.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Miserable, like heat becomes a non negotiable.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like it's it doesn't matter if there's good food,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, if there's good people, if there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money. If I like, it doesn't matter if
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  Speaker 2: there's big houses and fun stuff to do. I'm too
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: hot to enjoy any of it. Yeah, Or I'm too
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: cold because I was sweating and I came into the
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: air conditioning, which is fifty degrees and I'm soaking wet
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: from the sweat and then chilled to the bone in
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  Speaker 2: the hot space of about thirty seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. If I'm gonna have to endure heat, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: need it to be a dry heat. That's the only
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  Speaker 1: way you can convince me that I should attempt to
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: withstand a hot environment is if there is at least
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  Speaker 1: the ability to have the sweat actually leave my body
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  Speaker 1: and not just sit there and make me even nastier feeling.
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  Speaker 2: Don't underestimate how much I moved to Portland, Oregon because
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: of the weather to escape the south and the East
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  Speaker 2: Coast summers. Like, I really just don't different. I don't
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  Speaker 2: tolerate the heat well in a way that I don't
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: think is normal. It is very autistic though, God damn,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: it is everything I do autistic autism. Fuck you, I'm
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: officially angry at you for diagnosing me.
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  Speaker 1: I just it's peer review diagnosis, all right, It's just
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: how the process works. But no, I mean it's heat tolerance.
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  Speaker 1: Is I know so many people who build their lives
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: around their heat profile. You fit perfectly into a normal
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  Speaker 1: curve with respect to that population, which is autistic. I'm
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  Speaker 1: one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I know, I know. It's just you know, i'd
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  Speaker 2: like to you know, every time I say something about
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  Speaker 2: me it's not normal, and you know it's autism, and
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  Speaker 2: I go, oh, yeah, it does fit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you examine your whole life.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep, yep. Fuck Okay, yeah, can we talk
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  Speaker 2: about this goddamn chapter because this is what I'm hyper
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  Speaker 2: fixated on right now.
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  Speaker 4: Enough