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The Fall (2006) · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Hello and welcome to the Art of Costume podcast.
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I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass. And I'm Spencer Williams,
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calling in from our living room once again.
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Hey, Elizabeth, how are you? I'm doing fine.
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We got to tell people what we're talking about today for our our
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first ever audience request episode, and we're we're kicking
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it off of a banger of an episode.
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The costume nerds did not disappoint.
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They did not. I was actually so excited that
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this is a suggestion cause I've always wanted to see it but I
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never did. So this week we had ourselves a
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little movie night and we watched the fall.
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Yeah, it was so good. We, she's being serious.
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We actually went out and got like tacos and margaritas and
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then we came back and watched The Fall and I, I think we were
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both just so blown away by it. There were a couple times where
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we both audibly gasped, which we'll get into, but it was quite
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the experience. I I've never seen The Fall and I
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didn't really know what to expect except obviously amazing
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costumes. Yeah.
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And at this point, I think we both cried a little bit too.
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I think I was deaf. I was like on the verge of tears
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a couple times. I was like, no, I.
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Definitely cried. You did, yeah.
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Oh gosh. Well, I will start us off with a
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summary, as we always do. The Fall was directed by Tarsim
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Singh. A bedridden patient in a
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hospital on the outskirts of 1920s Los Angeles befriends a
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fellow patient and shares a fantastic tale of heroes, myths
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and villains on a desert island with the little girl.
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And that is The Fall which came out in 2006, by the way.
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Yes, don't get it confused with some other.
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There are like a million and two films out there called The Fall.
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We found that out from trying to do research on the fall, the
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real fall. The real one, the.
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Only fall we don't want to talk about, unless you're talking
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about the fall guy, which is another good.
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Different that has a different word.
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There's one extra word in it. Different, it's different, but
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let's meet our costume designer Eko Ishioka, who you will know
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from Graham Stoker's Dracula, for which she received her Oscar
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win and which we did an episode our like second season first.
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I think that was our first, honestly.
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This probably was our first because it was a long one.
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It's a crusty episode but one of my all time favorites because
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that was that episode. Really like changed me.
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Yeah, it was one of our best that first season.
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You will also know her work from The Cell Immortals and Mirror
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Mirror, for which she received an Oscar nomination.
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Obviously Eko Ishioka is one of the best.
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I think we talk about her quite often, which is why I was very
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excited to talk about The Fall because obviously we knew we
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were walking into some incredible visuals and it did
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not disappoint. But before we get into the
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costumes, you know, we're talking about The Fall and how,
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you know, we were just talking about how there's like a million
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and two films called The Fall. And, you know, it's, it's
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actually kind of speaks to a, a broader issue that's been
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happening with The Fall because it's such a cult classic.
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But so many people have complained actually that they
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can't find it. It's not playing in theaters.
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You could barely even rent it or get on DVD.
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Like people were buying DVDs for like 100 bucks.
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Oh my God. This is not a movie you could
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find. In the age of streaming, people
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were buying $100 DVD because it. Really wasn't streaming until
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this year actually, where it was Tarsum's thing.
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Really, really wanted to get this film out there because it
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was such a passion project of his.
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He spent a lot of his own money on it.
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Actually he it looks like it was one of the most self funded
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films out there aside from now Francis Ford Coppola's
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Megalopolis. So he heard the people and was
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like we gotta get this remastered and out there.
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So it is now remastered and I believe like 4K on Mubi which we
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watched it last night and I kept thinking like how freaking good
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it looked it looked. For a 20 year old film, it
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looked beautiful. Brand new.
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So in an article with Variety, the director actually spoke to
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this, saying that the restoration process began after
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years of fans asking for the film.
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And he said that people were buying it for 200 three, $100 on
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Amazon or eBay. And he just realized I had to
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take care of it. The restored version is
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approximately 2 minutes longer than original theatrical
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release. Because seeing explained, he
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reinserted 2 scenes that he regretted cutting, including one
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featuring the priest character. And he said in that variety of
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article, the poor guy travelled with me around India for two
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months and I gave him the ugliest haircut in the world to
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match a mountain for a particular dissolve.
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And then the scene I'd made the haircut for, I took it out.
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So that was one of the scenes that he brought back and they
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also re added the title card at the beginning of the film,
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reading Once Upon a Time in Los Angeles to better friend a
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narrative. And he went on to say it's a
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grown-ups fairy tale. That's a hard thing to sell
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because people don't know what category to put it in.
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I think it was a line I wish I had never taken out.
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Oh my gosh, I can't believe that wasn't in the original.
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I love that part. It deals even though it's
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through the eyes of this little girl.
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It deals with very adult themes and like the stresses of being
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an adult. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, it
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feels like a real fairy tale actually, because like we've
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talked about on these podcasts, fairy tales are often very dark
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in substance. So before we get into the
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costumes, I just want to like frame this on how this film
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unfolded because like I mentioned, this film was self
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financed, produced along with his brother.
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They shot The Fall across 24 countries and worked without a
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completed script and filmed in sequence.
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So they were just kind of building this thing piece by
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piece. And in a interview I read with
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7th Row, the author was CJ Prince.
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He asked Tarson this is this year actually because of the
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remaster. He said, would a film like The
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Fall be possible today? And Tarsum said it could never
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get made. Even when I made it, everybody
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who, everybody who had any muscle then, like David Fincher,
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tried to arrange all the meanings for me and anywhere I
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would go, It was a film that could never be made.
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It shouldn't have been made. And I actually thought that was
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quite beautiful because it's just you could tell how
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dedicated he and everyone on his film were to crane this artistic
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vision because. So glad he was.
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Yeah, it's kind of batshit crazy in a way, but it's beautiful.
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Yeah, it's so crazy. And now let's get into obviously
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why we're here, which is the costume designed by Aiko
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Ishioka. So I mentioned, obviously this
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is an audience request, so I really put it out there to the
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costume nerd. So let us know like your
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thoughts, feels, whatever. But I got Adm from someone
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actually and I asked them if I could read some of it on a
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podcast. Their name is Kendra Tarponing.
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Their profile says that they are a costume designer in Vancouver
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and Toronto. Fall down on Instagram ago for
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Kendra and they said to me, I was just at a screening with
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Tarsum in person and he talked quite a bit about Eko Ishioka.
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He got really emotional and he said, per his words, he
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worshipped her from afar for a very long time after Dracula.
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And when he was prepping the cell, he said he wanted Eko to
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design. And he said that the producers
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actually said, oh, cool, we'll get someone like Eko to work on
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the Cell and, you know, later the fall.
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And he said, no, I want Eko Ishioka, and I will only accept
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Eko Ishioka. He said their collaboration
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started at the absolute earliest stages, and it was all her.
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She designed from a purely conceptual place and simply told
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him how it would be. All practicality aside, which
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we've talked about quite a bit on Dracula, where it's very much
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like Coppola was even like, it's Ego's way or the highway.
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Yeah. I I love when people can just
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recognize an artist and know like they're gonna get me.
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Like let them do what they do it.
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Takes me back to like Gary Oldman and and Sadie Frost and
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Dracula, who, you know, Gary, almost like, I feel like I'm in
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a car accident in this costume. And everyone was like, shut it
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down. Yeah.
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Yeah. But essentially, she just went
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on to say just how very much he loved working with her.
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And he just really only saw this film happening with Aiko.
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And I just thought that was quite beautiful.
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And then I went on to ask her to like, was there anything else
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you you found any research then? Because they're getting ready to
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record. And Kendra went on to say that
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the only other big thing that she took away from that
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conversation was that someone asked if Tarsum and Aiko ever
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disagreed on a costume. And apparently he said just
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once, and it was the finale look for a Governor Odious, which
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we'll talk about later on in the episode.
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He said he felt like they're on different pages because Aiko
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really had this vision for a great mobster.
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And Tarsum saw him just like a man seen in the hospital.
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Like that's kind of where the fairy tale part starts to blend
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together for the hospital. But I guess he just went on say
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like, but you know, she's the pro.
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And they kind of like they really went on to find the
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middle ground between the two of them.
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So I just thought that was really interesting and wanted to
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share that. And I really appreciate everyone
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saying messages about the fall. We got a lot of messages, lots
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of costume designers. For example, Mitchell Travers
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told the both of us that this was a film that made him want to
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be a costume designer. And you know, I've heard that
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from multiple people. So I'm just very excited that
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this is a film we're doing for audience request because it
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means so much to everybody. I cannot wait for us to get into
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it. Let's take a quick break and get
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ourselves together. Elizabeth needs some tea and
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then we're going to get into the fall.
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Hi, I'm Dan, who does all the magic behind the scenes.
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Now back to the show. Spencer, Are you ready to go
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behind the costumes of the fall? I am this is I feel like it's a
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long time coming. We should have did this episode
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years ago, but no time like the present.
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We're actually going to start, though, in a sad and dusty
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little hospital somewhere in Los Angeles.
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And I did like for the. 20s this was pretty good.
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Had to at least be the 20s they had cars.
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Yeah, I mean, I believe that's what the summary said.
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But yeah, it's it's just feels like we get dropped into this
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period piece and. But the period like doesn't
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matter. It doesn't really matter.
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It was quite beautiful, especially when we get to see
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our main characters. We have the one the only Lee
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Pace as Roy Walker and we have Katinka Untaru who plays
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Alexandria and what a great little duo.
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They were so cute. So cute it was.
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I really wasn't expecting, like, the beautiful story of the fall,
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too, you know, like this guy. I mean, this is what it's all
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about for us, right? It's like distracting ourselves
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with storytelling and fantastical illusions when we're
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in, you know, dark situations. And in this case, he's
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paralyzed. But yeah, it was just that
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escapism. That's really what the fall is
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about. Absolutely it is.
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He was Speaking of paralysis. A lot of people, you know,
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because this was filmed in sequence, a lot of people
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thought Lee Pace was actually paralyzed.
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Really. I found this out looking into
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the behind the scenes. So Tarsim, which by the way, I
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realize I was pronouncing the director's first name
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incorrectly. His name is pronounced Tarsim,
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he realized. He revealed to the most of the
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crew, including the the actress who's playing Alexandria, they
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were unaware that Pace was actually not paralyzed during
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filming. He said nobody knew.
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The cameraman even didn't know. Then in the end, when everything
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was done, I had to tell them it was quite a scene on set because
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they this was filmed over such a long period of time in so many
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countries. It's all in sequence.
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And also what I didn't realize that this is one of Lee Pace's
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first projects. It's looking at his IMDb.
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It's like maybe #3 including like some law and order, like
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stints and whatnot. Our sweet Angel baby Lee Pace.
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Lee Pace, and he's so good. He's so good.
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He's so nice. So nice, except for parts where
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he's trying to convince a little girl to give him some more
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drugs. But yeah, but we also get left
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laughing about just how stinking gorgeous this man looks in the
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hospital bed. There's so many shots.
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He's glowing. He's glowing like OK so First
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off the aesthetics of this entire hospital, it's all like
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whites and creams with like this grey thrown in.
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Like their their hospital outfits are just like crisp
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white. Alexandra.
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She has her cute little like grey sweater like half.
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I love the sweater ego shows cause just how it fell 'cause
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she had her arm was broken, the way it fell around her just felt
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so natural in the film. It was never distracting.
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It's really the point actually. I mean, we know Echo, is she OK
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for the big like over the top moments?
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Yeah, but she didn't skip detail on this subtle hospital.
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I mean, looking at the like the lines and all the shirts and or
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even the doctors just walking in the background, there was still
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a style and aesthetic happening in the background.
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It just takes a back seat to the fantasy.
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Absolutely. And it's like the hospital
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scenes are straight up period piece.
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Yeah. Which I think is what helps make
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the fantastical parts that much more extraordinary is because
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you're already looking at something so beautiful, and then
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it's like all this color comes out.
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Yeah. Because there's not, there's not
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a ton of color at the hospital. Hardly any color really.
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Even the dog was black and white.
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Yeah. And I love how that kind of goes
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with like, 'cause, you know, he's a stunt actor in black and
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white film, so it's like, really encapsulating that time.
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But yeah, like, he clearly should be like sweaty and gross
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in bed, but he's just like, swab and glowing.
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If anything, the little bits of sweat was like helping.
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Yeah, We, we were we. Yeah, well, let's transition
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into the fantasy, the fairy tale aspect of the fall.
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I was reading on Indy Wire and Oral History of the Fall, which
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was by Leila Jordan. It came out this year actually
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with, you know, the fall being remastered.
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It's happening to moment and this is totally accidental, by
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the way, when we picked the Fall, I did not realize that
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been remastered. I was thinking content, social
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media. So maybe that's what triggered
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it, but. Yeah.
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Well, in this oral history, before we get into it, I wanted
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to read this quote. That was an oral history by Niko
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Sultanakis and Niko was a writer and producer on a fall.
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But more importantly, Niko was actually married to Eko Ishioka,
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he said. She had all these stories about
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color and saw these characters as kind of like Japanese comic
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book characters and rainbow colors.
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It didn't make it kind of dynamic that way.
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Her approach to design went beyond outside of the box
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construction. She didn't know what the box
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was. Oh my gosh, There was something
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about the fantasy sequences where I'm like, it was so
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fantastical, but it felt familiar.
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And I was like, oh, they're like anime characters come to life.
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That really made it click for me too.
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And it it looks as though that you know Eko actually well, as
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we know Tarsim did the cell as well with Eko Ishioka.
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I believe Niko also worked on the cell as well.
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So what I'm getting at is we're going to have to do the sell at
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some .0. Yeah, absolutely.
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Next season, Tarsim, if you like to be on Art of Costume podcast,
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we could give you a solid 45 to an hour where we sit down and
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shut up. No, you, you have as much time
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as you want. You just you talk.
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Yeah. You, you, you tell us when and
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where and we'll be there. We'll even we've, we're not able
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to pay, pack up our studios, we'll come here.
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Yeah, but let's get into the five.
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This is what I was really excited to see because I, you
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know, I've seen the trailers and whatnot.
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I've seen the pictures and just each of these characters are so
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interesting. I want to start with OTA Banga,
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who knows the reformed slave who walks around with that headpiece
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and the bow and arrow. That was crazy.
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That was crazy. He his is the first costume
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where you're like, OK, yeah, I see where this is going.
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It goes cooking with something different here.
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Yeah, absolutely. Just it's just so unique.
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I want to know, I'm like, where'd she get these ideas
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from? I would love to ask that
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question. I know that there's another book
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out there too that I'm sure goes into the fall.
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We have the Dracula book, but I don't have the other book, which
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I really want. I feel like this costume in
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particular was really giving me Alexander McQueen vibes.
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I feel like there is an exact piece I'm trying to visualize
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that looks just like this. And she was probably doing
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McQueen before McQueen honestly. Yeah, probably.
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And then we have the Indian, which I thought he just had such
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exquisite style. Yes, that man knows how to
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dress. I love the green.
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It was just so vibrant. And because like they're most of
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like the fantasy, like backdrops are like deserty places because
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the governor is awful and kills everything.
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So it was nice to have like that burst of like green color going
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through the landscapes. I didn't think of that too,
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though. There really is not a lot of
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green and he really brings it to it because of the, you know,
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desolation of the world around him.
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Was very deserty. 1 character that you and I were loving,
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though, was Darwin. Oh my gosh, Darwin was adorable.
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I that coat. I have seen that coat on the
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Internet for years. Same.
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Assumed it was like a fashion piece.
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I I somehow never knew it was from this film.
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And like, now that I see it and I see it on him and it's Darwin
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and it's like, oh, this is like a moth.
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Like it's just, it's so perfect. Especially for this character
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who has no business being here. Right, like that moth print on
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the back. I mean, because you and I both
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saw it like, immediately we're like, oh, that's a moth.
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Yeah. Not just a butterfly, but a
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moth. And I thought that was so cool.
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And I love that that he wears this coat from beginning to end,
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like even on a deserted island. And I looked away for a second.
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So I don't know how they were in the water with the coat.
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I looked back up and he like pulled it out of somewhere.
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They put like all their clothes, like I think in the bag with the
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what was what was his monkey's name?
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Oh, I don't remember that. They yelled at several times
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when the monkey was tragically analyzed.
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Such a cute character. Anyway, but I just thought it
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was hilarious that he was wearing that coat.
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Like, because that's what superheroes comic book
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characters do. They will wear their, you know,
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their Cape and tight costume from beginning to end.
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So why would he take this coat off?
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I know it's desert half the time.
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He must have been sweating, but it didn't look like he was.
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Batman would go to Nordstrom wearing his bat suit if you had
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to, so that's what Darwin was doing.
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Oh my gosh. And then we have Luigi, that our
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guy who loves explosions quite a bit, the most relatable
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character. He was like, I like to blow
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stuff up. I was like, that's fair.
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That yellow coat with the flames on the back.
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And his hat that mimics a flame like it was just.
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That scratched like a very particular part of my brain.
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Because it's got like this huge collar and cuffs as well.
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And it just like that part of it just almost gave me like
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Candelabra vibes. Yeah.
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Or like Candlestick vibes, Yeah. And I was like.
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Yeah, that's funny. I was kind of thinking
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Candlestick too. Yeah.
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It's just like, it's a very specific Ishioka note too.
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Like I get such like a Japanese fashion vibe with this piece and
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like the silhouette of the collar and also the sleeves.
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The coat. Yeah, the coat in general.
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I brought up to you multiple times the sleeves when we were
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watching together on my couch. I was.
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You you just talked about this coat as much as you could while
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we were watching it. It's just the way it was moving.
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It was just blowing my mind the whole time.
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And then finally we have another character that gets kind of
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added in to the five. It's no longer the Five, the
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Mystic. We find this man come out of a
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tree. Yeah.
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And so on and so forth. We end up going to the Mystics
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village or whatnot. The.
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Mystics village like grows up out of the ground.
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Yeah, yeah, it was very cool. We were both blown away.
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I wanted to bring up this costume in particular because
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it's not much of A costume. It's just like a brown cover,
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like a loincloth. No.
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But if you look closely at though, like it goes still
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didn't skip the detail on this, like the braiding on it and the
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lines were so unique for a loincloth.
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Yeah, it was insane actually. I think 1 of Echo's skills that
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kind of gets overlooked a little bit is her ability to
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collaborate and do it seamlessly and beautifully.
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And I think that's shown in the Mystic because she had to
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collaborate with hair and makeup and that, you know, that entire
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look that surrounds the costume is not just her, it's these two
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other departments. And it just makes an an
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incredible, just cool looking character.
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For sure. Then we have the incredible
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masked bandit Man Man played by Roy Walker AKA Lee Pace.
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I don't know if I've ever seen a costume that I've like, loved so
24:12
quickly that I've immediately been like, like, I think we're
24:15
talking about how I was like, oh, I want to do this for
24:17
Halloween. It's so cool.
24:21
Like, it's just cool. And then it's fun.
24:23
Yeah. Like, you know me, I love a band
24:26
jacket. Yeah.
24:27
Thanks to Colleen Atwood. It also has like a Spanish
24:33
influence though too. Yeah, the jacket's definitely
24:37
like Spanish influence with the hat and then, but like the pants
24:41
are like very Japanese and like the way they flow is incredible.
24:47
I also love when he adds the blue coat.
24:51
Oh yeah. 'Cause he just looks flawless,
24:53
especially even with with the mask, like everything works.
24:57
Then he puts it on and you're like, oh, oh, OK, Sir.
25:00
Yeah, I love the like matador influence.
25:04
I knew you would like kind of like the coke because it is kind
25:07
of marching band esque. Yeah.
25:09
There's there's three things that I love the pants which you
25:13
mentioned, I love the pants. I love that sleeveless just
25:19
showing off the gun leap face. Perfect.
25:22
Arms. Oh man, we can.
25:24
Never meet Leap A. We can never meet leap Ace his
25:30
arms the Helix great. I mean, I just I love the
25:32
sleeveless look on it because that to me makes it feel a
25:36
little bit more fairy tale as because you know it.
25:39
Typically you would see like the long sleeves of like a Cape that
25:42
gets done over the the the sleeveless aspect really brought
25:46
like a idea of fancy to it and. It made it cool.
25:49
Yeah. Oh, he looks super cool.
25:52
But the thing I love probably the most is the mask because the
25:56
construction of it, we get several shots of it and they're
25:59
just, it's so interesting. It's like the Ruby slippers to
26:03
me. Like you see the masking, Like,
26:06
no, oh, this is the fall. It's just so individual and
26:09
unique. And I I even recognized this
26:11
mask and I've never seen the film before.
26:14
I knew this look was from the fall.
26:16
I knew the mask was from the fall because it's so it's so
26:19
simple, but it's the stitching and it's the way like it comes
26:23
together in the middle that really makes it unique.
26:26
Yeah, at the center like bridge, part of the.
26:28
Yeah. Elizabeth, I have a little treat
26:31
for you. Because of this re release of
26:33
the fall, Lee Pace was doing some social media for a movie.
26:37
Do you want to hear Lee Pace's sweet, beautiful, angelic voice
26:41
for 45 seconds talking? About.
26:43
Working with Eko Ishioka on The Masked Bandit.
26:47
Absolutely. I remember my first fitting with
26:55
Eko and she kind of showed me the great big chaps and the army
27:00
kind of sleeveless army vest and the blue kimono and the kind of
27:05
wide brim hat. And I was like, cool, like, this
27:08
is this is the kind of movie I want to be a part of because it
27:12
was just so like it was original.
27:15
It was singular in its way. And then she patted my tummy and
27:20
said, you need to lose that. So I, I, I had my work cut out
27:26
for me. That's so funny.
27:33
That's hilarious. Make up being like workout.
27:36
Yeah, she's like you got you're gonna be showing off the guns.
27:40
You gotta be in tip top shapes or.
27:43
And one of the only people that is allowed to your attitude on
27:48
this podcast, right? I love that.
27:53
I love the like guards in the fall that worked for Governor
27:57
Odious because again, another like to me, I'm just saying like
28:02
the stylization of the helmet. I I feel like Eko Ishioko really
28:07
has this great way of like inversing things.
28:09
Yeah, when you feel like it should curve down, she'll curve
28:13
up. Or if it, you know, like, like
28:15
her, the helmet is so interestingly shaped.
28:19
It's kind of like Alice in Wonderland a little bit.
28:22
Yeah. In the build of the guards.
28:25
I that was one of my favorite costumes, actually.
28:27
And I also loved how you can see the tie in with the X-ray guy at
28:32
the hospital. It was just, it was like where
28:36
you kind of saw like the blending of the fairy tale in
28:38
the real world. And I loved it.
28:41
But like how something that's like so stand out to us as
28:45
children, just like we use it to feel our imaginations.
28:50
Yeah, yeah. And I think we even talked about
28:53
those two. I was like having a hard time
28:56
understanding where what part of it was like her imagination and
29:00
what part of it was Roy's imagination.
29:03
And then I guess it kind of like blended together really.
29:06
I feel like when after she falls the second time and he's like
29:12
trying to finish the story, I think it's definitely like them
29:15
blended. Yeah.
29:17
And then I think when he's falling asleep, I think it's
29:20
like a little bit him. I think it's him like processing
29:25
whatever she's saying to him. Yeah, I mean, cuz when he's
29:28
taking all the morphine and what not, you could definitely see
29:31
like the storytelling kind of spiraling out of control all and
29:34
getting like really kind of hazy.
29:36
So yeah, I mean, I think it kind of like switches back and forth,
29:38
which is kind of the fun of it I would say.
29:41
Another character I just wanted to shout out, which Tarseem
29:44
mentioned at the beginning, was the priest with the bad haircut.
29:48
I would be sad if this was cut from a film too, not just
29:52
because of the haircut, but because of the priest's wedding
29:55
look because it was such a slap slap.
29:58
So it's very like Liberace Behind the Candelabra.
30:03
I mean, it almost looks like it's 3D printed.
30:06
I know it's not. Yeah, this is way before that.
30:08
Way before that, but the pleading and the origami shape
30:13
of the collar is is insane. It really it's, it's unique.
30:19
Like, even if they took away like the collar, I'd be like,
30:22
yeah, of course that's the priest.
30:24
Yeah. All right.
30:26
Let's get into a subject that we both, I think, need to just get
30:30
off our chest. Yeah.
30:33
Elizabeth, what was the one moment we both audibly Well,
30:35
there were two moments we both audibly gasped on the couch.
30:39
What was the first one? The first one was when Sister
30:44
Evelyn walked out of the carriage.
30:48
When her headpiece, the fan moment when it reveals her face,
30:55
she pulls it and separates it mean Elizabeth were like woof,
31:00
yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the coolest
31:04
thing I've seen in a long time. Yeah, that was that is
31:07
absolutely gorgeous. I almost don't even know what to
31:11
say about it. It's just so beautiful.
31:13
So the headpiece to me looks like a Lotus flower and which
31:18
could also be the print. I'm not sure exactly the flower,
31:22
but to me it looks like a Lotus flower on the dress.
31:25
But that red fan on the headpiece, just.
31:29
It will stay with me for a long time and I've seen pictures of
31:32
this before, but seeing it actually move and just how
31:35
striking the visual is, it takes your breath away.
31:38
It does. It does.
31:42
We still don't even know what to Yeah.
31:44
It's just like, it's just, it's gorgeous.
31:46
It's. Gorgeous.
31:47
That's like, this is one of the costumes that should be like in
31:50
the Smithsonian, you know, if it isn't already.
31:52
I don't know where these costumes are.
31:54
I like to imagine like this one's like in a glass case
31:57
somewhere and like some, Yeah. And some like legendary museum
32:02
because it's, it's gorgeous. Sister Evelyn, who also is Nurse
32:07
Evelyn. She has some other great
32:09
costumes like for example the the purple look she wears with
32:13
the doves on her shoulder. I'm not sure if that was her
32:16
betrayal dress when we realized she wasn't on her side, which I
32:21
took that really personally. Same.
32:23
I was like, how dare you do that to Lee Pay?
32:28
He's perfect. How can?
32:30
You do. Such a thing, yes, like even
32:33
that, like that's such a beautiful dress.
32:35
The the kind of like pleading, ruching on the sides of it
32:40
toward the skirt is just really fantastic.
32:43
But there's another costume that I just.
32:47
Yes. Bugging to talk about everyone
32:49
knows about Elizabeth. If there's one thing she's going
32:51
to love, it's a wedding dress. This wedding was unlike any
32:56
wedding we've seen on this podcast and the what Four
33:00
Seasons we've done of the Art of Costume podcast.
33:02
No, this isn't a wedding gown. This is a work of art, from the
33:08
structure of the hat with the beaded veil to like, even like,
33:12
the pattern woven into the fabric.
33:16
It's just like, it's unbelievably gorgeous.
33:19
And I'm like, who comes up with this?
33:21
Like, yeah. I mean, there's only one.
33:24
There's only one. The the panelling or the ribbing
33:28
of the shawl too. Yes.
33:30
It just really takes my breath away.
33:32
I mean, we both were just like in shock when this scene
33:35
happened. And it's so quick, too.
33:36
And it's like even the way they reveal it in that like circular
33:40
Chapel. I got chills.
33:43
Same. It was, yeah, that's a, that's a
33:47
crazy good one. That's probably one of my
33:49
favorite costumes we've seen on the podcast so far.
33:52
It's just, it's a, it's a banger.
33:56
There's also still a whole moment happening.
33:57
Of course, our five are still in their their established
34:01
costumes, but there's just like a bunch of I'm not sure if
34:04
they're priests or nuns or. Just people dancing.
34:07
Whomever. Twirling around.
34:09
Twirling around in these white looks with the the blue essence
34:13
and their headpiece. Also, because we're starting to
34:15
introduce a little bit of the blue theme in the fall, which
34:18
actually this might have been a tell when we're seeing a blue
34:21
because it's kind of like a Governor odious kind of getting
34:25
ready to start ruining things for us.
34:27
So maybe the Blues to tell. But I've, yeah, I was also blown
34:30
away by that. It was just so beautiful.
34:33
Yeah, mini me costume. I love it.
34:39
So as the story starts to really fall apart, like we mentioned,
34:44
Roy Roy's vision for this world kind of starts to get blurred
34:48
together with Alexandria's and we see her come out in the same
34:52
exact costume and it's. So.
34:55
Cute. It's so bad.
34:58
Like whenever I have a child, this is going to be one of our
35:01
Halloween looks one year. Oh, for sure, this is this.
35:06
This film has ruined two things for me now.
35:08
Halloween, because now every time I'm went, if I do have a
35:12
child, I'm going to have all their costumes picked out and
35:14
they're all going to be from the fall.
35:16
Oh yeah, we're going to walk in matching costumes.
35:18
And this film's also ruined weddings for me.
35:20
Now I'm never going to get married because if it doesn't
35:23
look like the fall wedding, then I'm going.
35:25
To Why bother? What are we doing?
35:27
Yeah, Alexandria looks like a bad ass.
35:29
Like I feel like Alexandria could kick my ass in this
35:32
costume. She could, and I would deserve
35:34
it. You absolutely would.
35:39
It's so cool. I would love to know about
35:41
Aiko's collaboration with this young actress as well.
35:44
The memories on that. And then Elizabeth, we got to
35:49
end with a character that we didn't love so much, really.
35:52
He didn't really get too much screen time.
35:55
No. Was Governor Odious or Slash
35:58
Sinclair if you're in the real world.
36:01
Yeah. So, yeah, this is is apparently
36:04
from our research, this is one of the characters where the
36:07
costuming, I'm guessing toward the end of the film was like
36:10
maybe not agreed upon as much between Eco and Tarsim, but you
36:14
know, of course disagree with love.
36:16
Yeah. I was surprised that his costume
36:20
was so like, kind of like toned down.
36:23
Yeah, name is such as Governor Odious.
36:25
I thought it was going to be like Wizard of Oz, Jabba the
36:28
Hutt level nasty. And we saw I'm like, oh, it's
36:31
just a guy. But that's like, so reflective
36:34
of, like, real life, yeah. Where you're like, Oh my gosh,
36:38
my boss can't stand them. And I was like, will you take a
36:42
step back? And you're like, oh, it's just a
36:44
person. Like people are capable of
36:46
horrible things. You just brought me over to your
36:49
side. You're so right.
36:50
That's definitely, like, the idea behind this character.
36:52
Like, he's just a sleazeball guy.
36:54
Yeah, that we can't fucking stand.
36:56
And somehow he just ruins everything.
36:58
And he's just a guy wearing like a white, you know, white suit.
37:03
These are the people ruining the world.
37:07
Some fucking guy. Some fucking guy.
37:11
But I do like some of his, like, striped, like, pinstripe suit
37:16
moments. So, yeah, I do get, like,
37:18
mobster vibes. Yeah.
37:21
Unfortunately, that brings us to the end of the fall.
37:24
There's not that much information about the costumes
37:28
and there is, but it's not written in a way that's easily
37:31
accessible. And I'm really hoping, hoping
37:34
with this new re release that that starts to change.
37:38
I'm sure that the books out there also will probably have
37:42
more information, which I'm going to try to get my hands on.
37:45
And I also hope that when Tarseem Singh comes on the
37:48
podcast at some point, we could also get some more behind the
37:51
costume facts. So now it's time to give our
37:56
infamous Stitch rating. What's your stitch rating for
38:00
the fall? I gave it a solid 4.5 because,
38:07
well, I mean, visually it's a perfect six out of five stars.
38:13
Like visually and the story really is quite beautiful.
38:17
I gave it A5 stitch rating. Did you?
38:20
Yes. It's so perfect.
38:23
And it's like, one of the things that did annoy me about the film
38:27
was like, you don't get, like, a full back story for either of
38:31
them. Yeah, but it's like, that's
38:34
life. Most people who like you're, you
38:37
just cross paths for a little bit.
38:39
Like at work, at your convalescing in a hospital, you
38:43
just cross paths for a couple days, a couple weeks.
38:47
You're never going to know everything about that person
38:49
that you want to or that will like explain who they are and
38:53
why they do what they do. And it's just like that just
38:56
fits in so well with the adult fairy tale theme.
39:00
Yeah, you're right. I mean, it is, it is a perfect
39:03
film. The story is fantastic.
39:08
It's emotional. It had a self reflecting.
39:12
It was inspirational in a sense that like, I just want to be a
39:16
part of something as creative and fulfilling as this.
39:19
And the fact that the director and his brother put like so much
39:23
into this. They essentially sold everything
39:26
to fund this. And even though so many people
39:29
said it couldn't be done, they did it anyway.
39:31
So you're right, who am I kidding?
39:32
This is a 5 out of five stitch from but we can probably agree
39:38
on some things, which is our one costumes to rule them all.
39:41
Or maybe we can't. I don't know.
39:43
Hit it, Daniel, the. One costume to rule them all.
39:53
Spencer, what is your one costume to rule them all?
39:56
This is a really hard one. I ended up going with the the
40:02
wedding. Piece of art as you called it
40:05
because it just. It honestly gave me chills and
40:08
took my breath away when I saw it.
40:10
It's just like I've seen. I've even seen pictures of it
40:12
but there's nothing like seeing it remastered on movie in 4K
40:17
when she appears in this. Being at move.
40:20
It was insane. I was shook to the core, So
40:23
that's easily MY1 costume rule them all.
40:26
But I have to give like another shout out to that red outfit
40:29
that we see the same character in when she moves to fan, you
40:33
know, out of her eyes. That was also pretty wicked.
40:37
I it's. Such a it's such a moment.
40:39
It's such a moment, what about you?
40:42
MY1 costume drove them all is like a little bit of A2 Fer.
40:47
OK. It is the mass bandit in
40:50
Alexandria of course. Little like mini me daughter.
40:54
As a unit. As a unit, hey, it's just like
40:58
it's so fantastical. It's so well thought out.
41:02
Like when she and then when she walks out in it, like it really
41:05
her wearing it shows you what an impact he's having on her life.
41:10
Yeah. So I just think it's just
41:12
visually stunning. It tells such a story.
41:16
And Lee Pace looks so freaking good in it.
41:18
Yeah, Lee Pace with the eye, eyeliner and everything going
41:23
on, yes, but also like you mentioned, like you really get
41:26
to see the construction of the mask on Alexandria too.
41:29
Yes, I mean if there was like a one article or accessory to rule
41:34
them all. The mask.
41:37
Mask wins hands down because that that mask just does it for
41:42
me. It's so good man.
41:45
That is the fall. Like if you guys want to tell us
41:48
how much you love the fall, we're 100% open to it.
41:51
Please e-mail us at theartofcostume@gmail.com or
41:55
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41:59
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42:05
My God, don't get me started. And this is such a visual films.
42:12
I really recommend if you haven't subscribed to us on
42:15
YouTube, youtube.com slash at the art of costume, where you
42:19
can see pictures of these costumes.
42:23
And we're happy to say that in the new year, we are very much
42:28
in the process of building our new the Art of Costume podcast
42:32
set. We have a new backdrop, we have
42:38
lighting equipment, we have a camera.
42:40
So you're going to be able to watch the entire podcast on
42:43
YouTube, see us sitting trying to learn how to read.
42:48
Yeah, messing up everything. You'll be able to see it.
42:51
You'll see me in my hat and my sweats, probably.
42:55
Yeah, you'll see me in my hoodies and my glasses.
42:59
And everybody's been like, we really want a video.
43:03
Yeah, let's, let's see because you game what you asked for.
43:08
Yeah, Elizabeth, that is it for the fall.
43:11
But and we only have one more episode this season.
43:14
I know it's time for our annual season finale where we do a epic
43:20
episode and. That we want to do.
43:24
One that we want to do, we are revisiting a favorite movie of
43:29
ours that we've actually talked about on the podcast in the
43:33
season finale of Season 4 of the Art of Costume podcast.
43:37
We are going to be talking about Twilight, but we'll be joined by
43:41
the legend herself, costume designer Wendy Cha.
43:50
Oh man, I'm so excited. Hi, I can't.
43:53
I can't wait. And she's more than happy.
43:55
So Wendy, Chuck will be here. I can't wait.
43:59
I'm excited to talk about the baseball scene.
44:01
I'm excited to maybe not talk about the lawsuit with that one
44:05
jacket, you know, But well, we have some good questions.
44:09
So in the meantime, the holiday season's here.
44:12
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44:26
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44:30
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44:34
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