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Precious brothers 3 and 4 years old VANISH! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Two beautiful little boys, ages three and four missing. I
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Speaker 1: hate to hit you with the bad news at the
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Speaker 1: beginning of the new year, but the search for missing
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Speaker 1: children goes on twenty four seven, three sixty five, including today.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to this. You said you were
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Speaker 1: searching for two missing boys, ages three and four. The
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Speaker 1: children orson West and or in West, were last seen
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Speaker 1: in the ten thousand, seven hundred bloc of Aspen Avenue.
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Speaker 1: They're described as African American, about three free tall, both
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Speaker 1: wearing black sweatshirts and gray sweatpants. You were just hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends at KGET seventeen news that was Taylor's job.
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Speaker 1: And what Taylor shop said breaks my heart because I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking of my children, John, David and Lucy at age three.
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Speaker 1: They're twins at three feet tall. Where these two wearing
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Speaker 1: black sweatshirts and gray sweatpants. Now, how does not one
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Speaker 1: little child disappear, say, at the shopping mall or at
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Speaker 1: the playground? How do two of them just disappear with
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Speaker 1: me and all start panel to break it down and
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Speaker 1: put it back together again. Let me tell you first
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Speaker 1: a name you know very well, a hero and advocate,
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Speaker 1: Mark Class, the founder of Class Kids Foundation who's devoted
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Speaker 1: his life to finding missing people, especially children, at the
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Speaker 1: disappearance of his little girl, Polly. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer at NC Domestic Law dot com. Doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists, joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com. You know this name very well.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, founder and director of the Cold Case Research Institute,
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Speaker 1: and crime scene expert. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: and star of Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network.
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Speaker 1: But first we're going to a special guest joining us,
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Speaker 1: Bayon Wang with twenty three ABC in Bakersville. You know Bayon,
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Speaker 1: First of all, thank you for being with us. I've
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Speaker 1: covered so many missing people cases, especially children, and investigated
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Speaker 1: them as a felony prosecutor in inner city Atlanta, and
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Speaker 1: I usually see one child missing, one person missing. It's
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Speaker 1: very rare, very rare, indeed, by on, for two children
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Speaker 1: to go missing at the same time, and it brings
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Speaker 1: to mind, for instance, two little children playing in the
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Speaker 1: front yard and they decide to walk down the street
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Speaker 1: and then they're missing, or two children getting away from
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Speaker 1: mommy at the shopping mall. I want to hear exactly
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Speaker 1: what you can tell me surrounding the facts of this
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Speaker 1: case by Yon Wang, because every fact, every single fact,
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Speaker 1: means something, including the time of the day daylight or dark,
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Speaker 1: the type of neighborhood, residential, apartment, tree lined, business district,
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Speaker 1: shopping mall. Every single thing matters. So Bayon Wang, first
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Speaker 1: of all, tell me about the area where did they
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Speaker 1: go missing? They want missing in California City. That's a
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Speaker 1: population of about fourteen thousand. It's surrounded by hundreds of
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Speaker 1: miles of desert. It's the third largest land area in California.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean the third largest land area. I
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Speaker 1: mean the whole state of California is land. What do
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Speaker 1: you mean by the third largest Listen, mayn I appreciate
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Speaker 1: your details, but I'm just a trial lawyer. You have
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Speaker 1: to break it down for people like me. What do
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Speaker 1: you mean the third largest land area? Well, Nancy, this
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Speaker 1: community is in the middle of the Mohave Desert. I
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Speaker 1: mean you just go on Google Maps and you look
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Speaker 1: at it and there's hundreds of miles of desert, a
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Speaker 1: lot of it unoccupied. So this small township, you know,
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Speaker 1: the community, you could imagine this case weighing in on
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Speaker 1: their hearts. They are desperate to find these little guys
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Speaker 1: and you know what else twenty three ABC. I took
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Speaker 1: the twins well on many RV trips, but one of
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Speaker 1: them we went through the Mohave Desert and I remember stopping.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you go in a federal park or
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Speaker 1: national forest, there's always a big sign you're entering whatever,
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Speaker 1: Smokey Mountain National Forest, and I remember, you're entering the
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Speaker 1: Mojave Desert sign. And we jumped out of the RV
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Speaker 1: and took a picture with it, and then we drove
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Speaker 1: and we drove and we drove and did not see
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Speaker 1: a thing. Hold on beyond Wayne, because I want to
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Speaker 1: go to our expert Mark Class Founder Class Kids at
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Speaker 1: class Kids dot org. Mark, that presents a big problem.
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Speaker 1: First of all, you've got a very small town, bigger
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Speaker 1: than when I grew up, Mark Class, but still fourteen
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Speaker 1: thousand rules out to an extent, like strangers passing through.
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Speaker 1: But then remember Mark Class, Liberty and Abigail in out
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Speaker 1: in a park in Delphi, very small town and they
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Speaker 1: think it was a stranger. But you've got that factor
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Speaker 1: Mark Class combined with as beyond by On Wang just
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Speaker 1: told us huge expanse of desert, nobody living there. That
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Speaker 1: presents a problem. Mark Class to five is three and
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Speaker 1: four year old little boy. Indeed, it doesn't answer. And
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Speaker 1: to preface this, I'd like to say that, you know,
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Speaker 1: even with COVID going around the world like it is
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Speaker 1: and really restricting everybody's movements, Class Kids Foundation has had
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Speaker 1: our busiest year ever with missing child cases. So this
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Speaker 1: is a crime that endures and just keeps getting worse
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Speaker 1: and worse and worse. Now back to what you said.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's generally about one hundred and five to
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen stereotypical kidnappings in the United States
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Speaker 1: in a given year. And when I say stereotypical stranger kidnappings,
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Speaker 1: I mean somebody coming out of absolutely nowhere and taking
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Speaker 1: the children. And in the vast majority of those cases,
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Speaker 1: there's only one child involved, and more often than not,
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Speaker 1: it would be a girl between six and twelve years old. Okay, wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: you got me drinking out of the fire hydrant. It's
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Speaker 1: too much, too fast. Hold on, I'm taking in everything
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Speaker 1: you're saying, which contradicts everything about this case that Bayon
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Speaker 1: Wang is telling us, and he's absolutely correct. Okay, let
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Speaker 1: me pick it up from where you dropped off that
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Speaker 1: that much is soaked in. Go ahead, Okay, Well, so
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Speaker 1: we're in a situation here where as as Bayon said,
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Speaker 1: you know, you've got a massive land mass and you've
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Speaker 1: got two tiny little children, just tiny little children, and
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Speaker 1: we have to figure out where on that land mass
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Speaker 1: or in that land mask those children are, whether it's
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Speaker 1: above ground and they're thriving someplace, or whether they harm
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Speaker 1: has been done to them and they've been buried. Now,
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Speaker 1: the way you say that, Mark class, it just you know,
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Speaker 1: trills off the tip of your tongue because you're used
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Speaker 1: to it, saying that a three and a four year
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Speaker 1: old little child could be buried somewhere. But for people
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Speaker 1: that don't deal with it every day like you do,
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Speaker 1: like I do, like everybody on this panel does, that's
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Speaker 1: a tough that's a tough pill to swallow, what you said.
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Speaker 1: But you're absolutely correct. We're talking about two little children,
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Speaker 1: just three and four years old. Straight back to you,
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Speaker 1: Bayon Wang, twenty three ABC News. Okay, we went off
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Speaker 1: on a tangent, but that was important because if these
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Speaker 1: children are somehow bayon out in the middle or even
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Speaker 1: at the edge of this desert, if somehow they've gotten there,
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Speaker 1: it's over. They cannot survive crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: the tipline regarding these two little children missing is seven
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Speaker 1: Back to you by On Wang, reporter twenty three ABC.
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Speaker 1: I get the area. Were they in a home an apartment?
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Speaker 1: A maal? What can you tell me about that? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so they were reported missing out of their home. Their
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Speaker 1: adoptive parents, Jacqueline and Triselle West, reported them missing from
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Speaker 1: their home. Essentially, they say that the kids were playing
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Speaker 1: with chalk in their backyard, not in the front yard,
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Speaker 1: in the backyard of their home, and then boom, they
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Speaker 1: suddenly disappeared. The father, Trizelle, says he was essentially gathering
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Speaker 1: wood to start a fire while the mother was wrapping
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Speaker 1: pisness presence for the boys. Twenty three ABC. Do you
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Speaker 1: have children? Not yet? Okay, listen to me. You'll find
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Speaker 1: out about this. But Jackie backed me up on this.
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Speaker 1: When you're rapping or preparing Christmas gifts, you want the
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Speaker 1: children to be somewhere else. And I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: go into one because it's very mysterious, but it's my understanding.
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Speaker 1: The mom was wrapping Christmas gifts. She sent three and
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Speaker 1: four year old orson and or An outside. The dad
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Speaker 1: was collecting firewood for a fireplace. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Founder Director, Cold Case Research Institute, it sounds
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Speaker 1: like a Christmas card, really building a fire in the fireplace,
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Speaker 1: wrapping Christmas presents, sending the two little boys outside to place,
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Speaker 1: and I don't see what's getting wrapped, and then all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden they're gone. I'm sorry, Go ahead, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: it's all too perfect. The minute I've heard it, what
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Speaker 1: leaked out at me is mom's wrapping Christmas gifts and
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Speaker 1: daddy is starting to fire and the children are doing
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Speaker 1: artwork that is bogus. Oh. I don't know what planet
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Speaker 1: you come from, but that's exactly what we do around Christmas.
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Speaker 1: And I try everything I can think of to get
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Speaker 1: the children to go somewhere other than where I am
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Speaker 1: because I'm working on you know what, But hold On.
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Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, Cheryl McCullum, So Bayon, Am
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Speaker 1: I right that mom was wrapping Christmas gifts, Nancy, that's
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Speaker 1: what we're being told the parents. That's right. The mother
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Speaker 1: says she was rapping Christmas gifts during the time the
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Speaker 1: boys want missing. Okay, so what time of the day
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Speaker 1: or night was it? The father says it was between
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Speaker 1: four thirty and five o'clock in here in the West Coast.
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Speaker 1: That's you know, sun setting at that point. To you
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Speaker 1: Mark class you're joining us from California. Is that right?
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Speaker 1: It's dark by four thirty. Yeah, I know it's not
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Speaker 1: dark at four thirty, but the sun does go down
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Speaker 1: between four thirty and five. It gets very cold and
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Speaker 1: very dark very quickly after them, So it's getting dark now.
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Speaker 1: Jackie is waving at me frantically to Clara up to
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Speaker 1: clear there are other children in the home, but mom
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Speaker 1: only sent out these two to go plight. Well, that
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Speaker 1: makes perfect sense to me. When I'm wrapping Christmas gifts,
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Speaker 1: I don't send David out to go play. I don't
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Speaker 1: see Grandma me out to go play, because I'm not
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Speaker 1: hiding anything from them, Jackie, So you know, it depends
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Speaker 1: on the age of the children who gets sent away
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Speaker 1: when you're prepping Christmas. Um, you know, well, guys, jump in. Look, well, guys,
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Speaker 1: it's actually sorry. It's important to mention that the parents
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Speaker 1: other four children were not home at the time. The
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Speaker 1: parents were happy. Now you're happy, she's happy, Okay, so
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Speaker 1: that's not an issue. Guys. I got to jump in,
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Speaker 1: jump because because I want to make sure what I
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Speaker 1: was trying to say very clear. It was all too perfect.
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Speaker 1: And again at four or thirty in the afternoon. Number one,
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Speaker 1: you can wait to wrap gives at eleven o'clock at
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Speaker 1: night when all the babies are you you don't know that.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you know you do not know that. If
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Speaker 1: you think you've got a thirty minute segment where you
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Speaker 1: can wrap Christmas gifts surreptitiously, then you jump on it. Look,
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Speaker 1: you know what our household is so crazy. I was
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Speaker 1: hiding and wrapping it all times of the day and
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Speaker 1: night morning noon for instance. When Amazon would come by
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Speaker 1: at eleven am. You know, I was scrambling. So, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how they did it, how this is
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Speaker 1: all wrapped it together, but I do know this what
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Speaker 1: Mark Klass said at the beginning, very very unusual for
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Speaker 1: two children to go missing at the same time. Just
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Speaker 1: got Morgun, professor forensics. Do you at least agree with
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Speaker 1: that much? Well, yeah, I mean it can be if
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Speaker 1: you're wrapping gifts that can you know, it can be
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Speaker 1: a situation where you want to do it as discreetly
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Speaker 1: as you possibly can. But back to what Bayon had said,
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Speaker 1: he didn't he was very specific Nancy about these babies.
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Speaker 1: He didn't say anything about the front yard. He said
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Speaker 1: the backyard. And I think from an investigative standpoint, I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking about this, and I'm thinking, who has access to
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Speaker 1: the backyard in this case, and what's the configuration of
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Speaker 1: the backyard. You know, you get a lot of places.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the house right now, and the street
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Speaker 1: is wide open to the front yard. I see a
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Speaker 1: few homes that have, for instance, wrought iron gate in
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Speaker 1: the front yard, but you can get walked right in
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Speaker 1: through the driveway. And it's one of those residential suburban
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Speaker 1: areas where behind your backyard is another house, and behind
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Speaker 1: that one is another house if you looked at it
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Speaker 1: from above. I mean, there are thousands of houses that
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Speaker 1: stretch out so that's a good point beyond Wayne. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we're getting into the details for a reason. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Mark Klass, every detail matters. Would you agree with that?
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Speaker 1: Of course, every detail matters. I mean somebody else's backyard
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Speaker 1: butts up to their backyard. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: You remember when Isabel's Salice went missing. That was in
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Speaker 1: a suburban neighborhood, and they had the big, solid fence
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Speaker 1: surrounding their backyard and a gate to go into it.
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Speaker 1: We've had so many cases where people's yards were totally enclosed,
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Speaker 1: but somehow the children went missing. Do I have to say,
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Smart, she had this beautiful home her family lived in.
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Speaker 1: Somebody managed to get the children. So it happens in
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Speaker 1: all sorts of ways. The mom and dad jump in.
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Speaker 1: You talked about how important the details are here and
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Speaker 1: talking about those enclosed backyards. Well, an important note here
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Speaker 1: is that the father says the panic set in when
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Speaker 1: he noticed that he left the gate open. Okay, I
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Speaker 1: hear you. I did not know that. Guys, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at ABC twenty three Trazill West
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Speaker 1: details The moment has two adopted boys, three year old
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Speaker 1: Orson in four year old or In went missing Monday
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Speaker 1: night from their California City home. Moments before, West says
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Speaker 1: he was gathering wood to start a fire. I looked
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Speaker 1: to back gate. I'm throwing wood, bring it inside the house.
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Speaker 1: My wife's inside. She was actually wrapping gifts, so we
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Speaker 1: thought it was a good idea. Got our youngest too
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Speaker 1: outside and played with chop back patio. Shortly after, West
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Speaker 1: says he no longer saw the boys on the patio.
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Speaker 1: He asked his wife, Jacqueline, if she saw them. She
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Speaker 1: said no. That's when he says panic set in. I
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Speaker 1: realized that I left the gate open, and I panicked.
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Speaker 1: Came inside the house, searched the house, me and my wife.
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Speaker 1: Once that I hadn't pan out, I got in the van.
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Speaker 1: I looked down the street most directions. It was getting dark,
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Speaker 1: getting cold. West said. He then called the police within minutes.
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Speaker 1: Since then, California City Police, the FBI, and the current
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's office have been investigating. And also take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Travail West speaking, Take a listen. It was cold.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna make a fire. It's a lot of
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Speaker 1: woods area round here next to our house. I went
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Speaker 1: up to the back gate. I'm throwing wood bringing it
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Speaker 1: inside the house. My wife's inside she was actually wrapping gifts.
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Speaker 1: So we thought it was a good idea that they
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Speaker 1: got our youngest to go outside and played with chalk
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Speaker 1: the back patio. Do not let them go on the
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Speaker 1: dirt in the backyard and keep them close. So I
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Speaker 1: was playing with chalk and I came to the house.
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Speaker 1: I saw them there one house. I came back out.
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Speaker 1: I didn't see them. Now. I immediately went back in
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Speaker 1: asked my wife, did you see the boys? She said no,
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Speaker 1: they should be outside playing with chalk. I said, well,
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Speaker 1: I didn't see them. So I came back outside and
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Speaker 1: I started searching my backyard. I searched the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing. They adopted dad of these two little children, ay,
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Speaker 1: just three and four. I mean, how far could they
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Speaker 1: get on their own? It's dark Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the disappearance of a three and four
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Speaker 1: year old set up brothers orson and Oran West. What
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Speaker 1: happened as Christmas approaches. Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at twenty three ABC newss is Bin Phronies speaking with neighbors.
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Speaker 1: There isn't too much information about what happened to these
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Speaker 1: young boys, but one thing is for sure, the California
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Speaker 1: City community is worried, scared, and angry. Sir Trail poppers
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Speaker 1: came out. About one hundred people gathered the search from
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Speaker 1: the surrounding area, knocking on doors. Three and four year
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Speaker 1: olds or orson West were reported missing on Monday night
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Speaker 1: around five pm. When I got it, they still happen
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Speaker 1: been bound. Jennifer Wood resumed her search efforts Tuesday after
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Speaker 1: looking all Monday night for the missing boys, as she
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Speaker 1: feel for their safety. Are total boys. They're about three
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Speaker 1: feet tall, and if they're out there, they are scared.
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Speaker 1: Of course they are. I mean to you, mark class
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Speaker 1: on foot. How far could a three and four year
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Speaker 1: old get, even in a residential area in a paved street,
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Speaker 1: I mean, how far could they get. They're not going
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Speaker 1: to be able to get very far. And the whole
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Speaker 1: idea of little children wandering off is it gets cold
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Speaker 1: and dark from their home is a pretty hard pill
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Speaker 1: to swallow. But I think what we have to consider
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Speaker 1: is the local sex offenders in the community, people that
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Speaker 1: know the family, that intermingle with the family. You never
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Speaker 1: know or the evil might come from. I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: all kinds of possibilities out there. One of the things
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Speaker 1: I've noticed recently, Nancy, is that there are more people
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Speaker 1: driving around neighborhoods that aren't their neighborhoods, delivering packages now
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Speaker 1: than ever before. It seems like almost every other car
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Speaker 1: is delivering a package. We don't know who the people
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Speaker 1: are who were driving these vans oftentimes, so you know,
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Speaker 1: the possibilities of what happened to these children, I think
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Speaker 1: are vasted at this point. Mark, let me tell you
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Speaker 1: what happened to Lucy and me. The other night. We
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Speaker 1: went out walking. We loved gone walks with our little dog,
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Speaker 1: fat Boy, and as got dark while we were out,
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Speaker 1: we waited too late, and we always hear of the
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Speaker 1: stereotypical white van, and low and behold a white van.
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Speaker 1: You know, everything rushing through my mind begins to creep
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Speaker 1: along behind us, and I didn't want to say anything
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Speaker 1: to Lucy, so we kept walking and I was picking
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Speaker 1: up the pace. We were a good mile away from home,
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Speaker 1: and it stayed and finally I said, let's turn around,
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Speaker 1: and we abruptly turn I started walking the other way
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Speaker 1: away from the van. As you know, you're supposed to do.
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Speaker 1: If you think you're being you know, a child should
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Speaker 1: run the opposite way. And we kept walking well low
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Speaker 1: and behold mark class. Five minutes hadn't passed until there
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Speaker 1: was the white van and it was a guy I'd
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Speaker 1: never seen in the neighborhood before, and he was looking
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Speaker 1: at us, and I said, Lucy, run to the house
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Speaker 1: right now, and she took off. It was a delivery person,
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Speaker 1: long story short, and he was lost. He was lost,
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Speaker 1: just wandering around. And I then spotted him turn on
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Speaker 1: his lamp on the inside of the van and looking
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Speaker 1: for directions and I could actually hear him putting an
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Speaker 1: address into ways or something. So it was much ado
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Speaker 1: about nothing. But long story short, you're right, You're absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: How quickly could someone be taken in a vehicle and
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Speaker 1: be gone sixty miles an hour? But it's somebody within
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood. I mean, the stories I just threw out
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Speaker 1: truecases of Isabel Salice was someone the family needs in
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Smart. It was someone the part was introduced into
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Speaker 1: the family. It was a day laborer that they hired
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Speaker 1: to try to help out the family and help him out,
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Speaker 1: so there is a connection. They knew about the children. Right,
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Speaker 1: there's almost always a connection, almost always a connection. Guys
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Speaker 1: were talking about the disappearance of these two little children.
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Speaker 1: What did the dad do? Take a listen now to
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Speaker 1: what Traville West dad says. I realized that I left
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Speaker 1: the gate open, and I panicked, came inside house, searched
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Speaker 1: the house, me and my wife. Once that hadn't pan out,
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Speaker 1: I got in vent. I looked down the street most directions.
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Speaker 1: It was getting dark, getting cold, and I got into
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Speaker 1: family and I had a bunch of corners. I went
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Speaker 1: on the street, I turned my light on, I searched,
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Speaker 1: I searched, I call their names, talked to a gentleman
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Speaker 1: on the street on the other side of there. She
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Speaker 1: didn't see any. So then I came home and I
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Speaker 1: told my wife for me to call the cops. It's
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Speaker 1: getting dark and I need help. We gotta get going,
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Speaker 1: so I called the cops. Cops came. First thing they
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Speaker 1: did was tell us to stay in the house so
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Speaker 1: they can get a hold of us. And they had
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Speaker 1: us just sitting there, and we wanted to keep searching.
23:25
Speaker 1: You know, we've heard a lot from the dad, but
23:27
Speaker 1: now take a listen to mom. They said, that she
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Speaker 1: said she was wrapping gifts and she let my two
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Speaker 1: kids out in the backyard because she didn't want them
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Speaker 1: to see the gifts. But you didn't let the other
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Speaker 1: kids out? Where the other kids? Why my two just
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Speaker 1: go back there at night? She said it was dark
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Speaker 1: and it's code right now, so I know it's code then,
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Speaker 1: so I don't believe it. So why didn't she tell
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Speaker 1: you this? Where were you when she told you? I
23:55
Speaker 1: just came here forty five minutes when nobody was here
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Speaker 1: forty five minutes to an hour, and we knocked the
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Speaker 1: mom at the board, and it took them a minute
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Speaker 1: to come. And he came out and he wants to
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Speaker 1: say he's sorry, not like I just don't feel them hard.
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Speaker 1: It's something they're not Do you have a relationship with
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Speaker 1: these parents? I don't know them. They did something. Just
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Speaker 1: then you're hearing from the bio mom. The bio mom
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Speaker 1: now she doesn't have custody of her children, but now
24:34
Speaker 1: she is appearing casting doubt on the adoptive parents. What
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Speaker 1: more do we know? What more do we know? Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to David Kaplan at Fox fifty eight, Trezelle
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Speaker 1: at Jacqueline West, and their six kids lived at Casteloma
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Speaker 1: Apartments here in Bakersfield, across the street from where I'm at.
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Speaker 1: They moved from here to California City in September. This afternoon,
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Speaker 1: around forty people used drones, dogs, trash picker, rubbers, and
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Speaker 1: their eyes and feet to look for any sign of
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Speaker 1: orn and orson West The four and three year olds
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Speaker 1: parents say they lost last I saw them in their
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Speaker 1: backyard in California City around five PM on December twenty first.
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Speaker 1: California City police say they have talked to every neighbor
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Speaker 1: on that street and they all say they never saw
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Speaker 1: the boys there. That's why concerns community members wanted to
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Speaker 1: continue the search efforts from the desert in California City
25:30
Speaker 1: to Bakersfield. For trying to cover the Browns, you know,
25:33
Speaker 1: to help give law enforcement. You know that may be shorthanded.
25:36
Speaker 1: You know a hand. Hope has never lost now now
25:40
Speaker 1: never lost. Hope never lost. I want to go to
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Speaker 1: our cut five. This is Alex Baille at twenty three ABC.
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Speaker 1: And the search continues for two Tallers from California City
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Speaker 1: who were reported missing on Monday night. And now the
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Speaker 1: FBI isn't involved in the search. As well as the
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Speaker 1: current County Sheriff's office three and four year olds Warren
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Speaker 1: and Orson West, who are on your screen right now.
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Speaker 1: They were reported missing around five pm yesterday. A search
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Speaker 1: warrant was served at their foster parents' house today in
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Speaker 1: kel City, and the foster parents are still at police
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Speaker 1: headquarters as of Tuesday, answering questions. Kel City Police say
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Speaker 1: that the parents are being cooperative and that law enforcement
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Speaker 1: is not giving up on finding the toddlers. Police also
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Speaker 1: say investigators are doing forensics exams on items taken out
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Speaker 1: of the home. Today Climb Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about two missing children. Age is just
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Speaker 1: three and four, and these two little boys go missing
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Speaker 1: from their own home. Let me give you the tip
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Speaker 1: line yet again in the hopes that someone somewhere may
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Speaker 1: have seen something. Seven six zero three seven three eight
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Speaker 1: six zero six Tell me about the search. Joining me
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Speaker 1: from ABC twenty three is by Yon Wang. Tell me
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Speaker 1: what all has been done to find the children? Oh man, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I mean, this community has really come together. We're talking
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Speaker 1: about multiple searches, two ten thousand dollar rewards. I mean,
27:25
Speaker 1: these guys are scavenging the desert. Themselves going, you know,
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Speaker 1: essentially through every neighborhood in that area. Unfortunately, though, there's
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Speaker 1: been absolutely no sign of the boys. And I think
27:38
Speaker 1: earlier in the show, you guys were talking about the
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Speaker 1: significance of what a large area that this is, the
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Speaker 1: sprawling desert that surrounds this community. Well, it's important to
27:48
Speaker 1: note that police themselves, none of the authorities, the FBI,
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Speaker 1: none of them have started their search in the desert,
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Speaker 1: and that has caused a huge question in the community.
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Speaker 1: You know, what is it exactly that they know that
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Speaker 1: isn't leading them to search this rolling desert. You would
28:10
Speaker 1: think your natural instinct would behave, let's go see if
28:13
Speaker 1: they could possibly be anywhere out there, whether they wandered off,
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Speaker 1: or whether their body would end up ended up out there.
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Speaker 1: But that's not the case. Essentially, the police chief for
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Speaker 1: the California City Police Department said, hey, look, our investigation
28:26
Speaker 1: hasn't led us there right now, our focus is on
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Speaker 1: the home. We have absolutely no idea how these boys
28:35
Speaker 1: got out of the backyard. Well, we're hearing what the
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Speaker 1: parents are saying, but following up on what Bayon just said,
28:42
Speaker 1: I find this very troubling. Take a listen to our
28:47
Speaker 1: cut seven. This is beyond speaking twenty three ABC. A
28:52
Speaker 1: lot of neighbors told me that the parents have been
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Speaker 1: virtually absent from all search efforts, raising a lot of
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Speaker 1: concern out here in California City. But the adoptive parents
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Speaker 1: told me that's because they've been busy with the police investigation,
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Speaker 1: and that police told them that they don't need to
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Speaker 1: be out there searching because there's already an adequate amount
29:11
Speaker 1: of people doing so. Straight back to Mark Class, founder
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Speaker 1: of Class Kiss Foundation. You know, Mark Class, I understand
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Speaker 1: they're saying the cops told him to stay in the house.
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Speaker 1: I would find that very very difficult to do if
29:23
Speaker 1: one of my children went missing. I've told you about
29:25
Speaker 1: the episode when John David disappeared inside a Giant Toys
29:29
Speaker 1: Babies or US warehouse. I would find it very hard
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Speaker 1: to control myself and not go looking. Mark Class. I mean,
29:37
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, was you recount what you did
29:39
Speaker 1: when Polly went missing? Well, I pulled out all the stops, Nancy,
29:43
Speaker 1: and one of the first things I did is tell
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Speaker 1: the FBI and the Pedaluma police that I'd be willing
29:48
Speaker 1: to sit for a polygraph. And I think a lot
29:51
Speaker 1: of clarity could be brought to this case. If they
29:53
Speaker 1: would simply polygraph the two parents, then they'll know either
29:59
Speaker 1: if they are involved or if they need to look elsewhere.
30:02
Speaker 1: But I also find a problematic nancy that law enforcement
30:06
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have conducted any searches whatsoever in this case.
30:10
Speaker 1: It seems to be all community led searches. And the
30:13
Speaker 1: problem with that is that they don't really know what
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Speaker 1: they're looking for. They're not professional at it, and if
30:18
Speaker 1: they did turn up with some kind of a clue,
30:21
Speaker 1: they might overlook it all together, and or they might
30:24
Speaker 1: somehow defile the clue by by touching it or moving it,
30:29
Speaker 1: or otherwise getting involved with it. So there's a lot
30:33
Speaker 1: of issues outstanding right now, and hopefully there will be
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Speaker 1: some clarity brought to it sooner rather than I find
30:39
Speaker 1: that unusual as well. Is that true briefly by Wang
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Speaker 1: twenty three ABC. Is it true that's mostly volunteers looking
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Speaker 1: for the children? That is true? I confirmed, yes. Well
30:52
Speaker 1: I don't like that at all, And I also notice
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Speaker 1: the FBI is involved. You don't normally see the FBI
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Speaker 1: jumping in on a missing person's case. I want you
31:03
Speaker 1: to take a listen to our friends at KGET seventeen
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Speaker 1: Pearl Shan listen. California City Police say they searched this
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Speaker 1: house last night with canines. The canines were looking for
31:14
Speaker 1: the scent of the two boys inside. They smelled the
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Speaker 1: scent inside the house, but they didn't smell it leaving
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Speaker 1: the house, so police are concerned that the children never
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Speaker 1: even left the house. About an hour ago, cal City
31:26
Speaker 1: Police drove the father and mother away. They weren't in
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Speaker 1: handcuffs and went willingly with police, but police would not
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Speaker 1: confirm why they took the mother and father away. Dozens
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Speaker 1: of residents drove and walked around this home last night
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Speaker 1: looking for the two boys. Right now, many of them
31:42
Speaker 1: are still out here waiting for an update from police.
31:46
Speaker 1: Many came out again today to continue the search. So far,
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Speaker 1: they found nothing. Police told the parents to stay inside
31:53
Speaker 1: their house. Okay, I'm hearing somebody. I'm not sure who
31:58
Speaker 1: that was, but I want to go, well, who the
32:03
Speaker 1: whole idea of letting other people tell you how to
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Speaker 1: handle you're missing child case, I think raises a lot
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Speaker 1: of issues. Your inclination when your child is missing is
32:13
Speaker 1: to get out there and absolutely do something, which is
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Speaker 1: what I did, which is what the Smart family did,
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Speaker 1: which is what so many families did. And the whole
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Speaker 1: idea that you would hunker into the house only leads
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Speaker 1: people to believe that you were hiding something. And when
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Speaker 1: you that perception takes hold in the community, then it
32:32
Speaker 1: becomes problematic yet again, because people are going, well, what
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Speaker 1: are they hiding. They're not coming out, they're not talking
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Speaker 1: to anybody, they're not involved in the searches. There's something
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Speaker 1: that seems very wrong with that, and I personally agree
32:44
Speaker 1: that it does seem very long. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut four. This is Bain Phrony at twenty three ABC.
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Speaker 1: The toddlers believe to be at their foster parents' house
32:53
Speaker 1: in California City. It was the set meeting point for
32:55
Speaker 1: another search party on Tuesday. Lemia Patrick, a California City resident,
32:58
Speaker 1: also told twenty three ABC that the belief to be
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Speaker 1: foster parents have not come out of the household besides
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Speaker 1: to speak to law enforcement. So then he came out
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Speaker 1: and spoke to the police, but he did not come
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Speaker 1: out and greet the people who are trying to help
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Speaker 1: find the babies. Parents haven't come out to say boo
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Speaker 1: or hire, thank you for helping or anything. Twenty three
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Speaker 1: ABC did speak with the belief to be foster father
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Speaker 1: of the two missing boys, but declined an interview and
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Speaker 1: wish to keep his name private. He said, the police
33:21
Speaker 1: were asking that they stay inside and wait. You know
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Speaker 1: what is disturbing me more than the parents being told
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Speaker 1: to stay in the home and don't go out in
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Speaker 1: search and them doing it is the fact to you,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Director Cold Case Research Institute. You know I'm
33:38
Speaker 1: a great believer and tracker dogs. In fact, I've told
33:42
Speaker 1: you many many times, Cheryl McCollum, the best, one of
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Speaker 1: the best witnesses I've ever put on the stand was
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Speaker 1: a dog. The tracker dogs go in, they smell the
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Speaker 1: scent of the children in the home, but they can't
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Speaker 1: pick up the center of the children leaving the home. Cheryl.
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Speaker 1: That's a great concern, Nancy, because again, in a missing Childcake,
34:05
Speaker 1: you've got four lanes that you're investigating in is all time,
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Speaker 1: and you're doing it simultaneously. You're obviously looking at the parents.
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Speaker 1: You're looking at is this a stranger abduction You're gonna
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Speaker 1: look at is this an acquaintance, Is there's somebody in
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood the children knew and went to that home.
34:21
Speaker 1: Or are the children lost or hurt? It looks like
34:25
Speaker 1: law enforcement has already gotten rid of the lost or
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Speaker 1: hurt avenue. They don't believe that it's a stranger because
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Speaker 1: they're again not moving away from that backyard. The father
34:38
Speaker 1: himself repeated the word dirt more than one. He said backyard, backyard,
34:44
Speaker 1: and then he said search the backyard. I think he
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Speaker 1: basically tell a law enforcement where to start. Way n
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Speaker 1: J Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer at NC Domestic
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Speaker 1: Law dot com. Jump in, Kathleen Nancy as a mother,
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Speaker 1: just as a mother, not even as a trial lawyer.
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Speaker 1: You would not have my eyes off of a three
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Speaker 1: year old and a four year old in that backyard
35:05
Speaker 1: area out know how close the father was. But it
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Speaker 1: does not add everything that Cheryl has said, everything Mark
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Speaker 1: has said, everything Byron has said, everything you have said.
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Speaker 1: It does not add up. And I'm very sad right now.
35:20
Speaker 1: To doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists out of Atlanta, the parents
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Speaker 1: are saying law enforcement told them to stay inside and
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Speaker 1: don't go looking. What do you make of it? It
35:32
Speaker 1: just seems that just seems so odd. I'll tell you
35:35
Speaker 1: one of the other things that struck me too, Nancy,
35:39
Speaker 1: this whole thing that we have to look at them
35:41
Speaker 1: on TV with masks covering their faces. How often do
35:45
Speaker 1: we look at people on the news and you and
35:48
Speaker 1: everybody can sort of tell are they telling the truth?
35:51
Speaker 1: Are they not telling the truth. But now these people's
35:54
Speaker 1: entire faces are covered with a mask and you can't
35:57
Speaker 1: tell anything about their initial reaction. And that is very
36:00
Speaker 1: bothersome to me because that's I feel like there's so
36:03
Speaker 1: much information that can be garnered from that, and it's
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Speaker 1: all a blank slate at this point. Yon Wang, reporter
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Speaker 1: twenty three ABC. Where does a search stand right now? Well,
36:16
Speaker 1: multiple community efforts. You know, obviously authorities aren't telling us
36:19
Speaker 1: what they're doing, you know, behind closed doors, but you know,
36:22
Speaker 1: the community search Bakersfield as well, which we're learning the
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Speaker 1: adoptive parents lived in Bakersfield prior to moving California City,
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Speaker 1: so the community is out there also doing you know,
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Speaker 1: various searches. That's the latest that we have on the
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Speaker 1: search front. Tip line seven six zero three seven three
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