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Talks to to Si Hart about his choice of Full Circle (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Doctor, Who commentary podcasts? Some of the greatest moments of
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  my life are with the man, I'm with today.
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  Mr. Siren, heart, hello, how you doing today?
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  All right, thank you. It's lovely to have you here in
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  my living room, one of what you've got to say that I do.
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  Every time I post a picture you and me, you know, I think I'm
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  declaring I'm in a new relationship.
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  Here we take good picture, you do.
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  So I like you to do me a favor of you words.
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  Okay. Could you please explain the
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  plot to Full Circle to me because I'm still not entirely
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  sure I've got a handle on this whole evolutionary flaw.
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  Well, I The evolution is is probably fudge little, it's
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  probably not scientifically accurate.
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  But basically there seem to be three states of life on the
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  planet hours area. So, there's the spiders, what
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  the earliest evolutionary life and they somehow become Marsh,
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  men who somehow become the people who live in the
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  Starliner. And this is a sequence that's
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  going on and on and on. So.
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  So when did the Starliner first, First land, a long time ago and
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  basically what's happened to Generations as it was it more
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  than that more like four thousand Generations.
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  I think Ramona says, please say, forty Generations more like
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  they've been repairing that ship.
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  Yeah. Thousand.
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  Generationally because the manuals in the learn to read and
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  then they put it back together and they smash it apart, put it
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  back together and it goes on and on and on.
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  And and so the people that Marsh men evolved to become the people
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  who live in the ship, because they evolved to be cut.
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  The evolution Works quite fast apparently on this planet.
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  As far as I can pick up, this is what, and so, They think that
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  they are the descendants of the spaceship that came down in the
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  first place. And that, they've just been
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  taking this ship over all this time.
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  Yes. And because they don't remember
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  that. The only person that ever knows
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  the true secret. That's basically keeping this
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  thing and Perpetual Loop is the head decider.
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  That's right. Yeah, The Keeper of the system
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  files because that's where it's revealed.
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  But, of course, they can't leave in the spaceship because they
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  haven't got The page that tells them how to live their life, the
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  green button after that, where he's like, no one knows how to
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  fly. It's a really nice bit of
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  Storytelling though. And that's why this sequence
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  goes on and on and round and round and round, because they
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  eventually get wiped out by the Marsh man who invade and it
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  begins all over again. Can I ask you then?
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  Because that's a big idea to wrap your head around.
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  Eeveelution. Yeah, did dr.
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  Who, you know, you are 17 and 18 big Concepts.
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  Yeah, was dies. You introducing you to sort of
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  bigger. We you Mullen these over toilet
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  member. I, I think as Child.
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  I was just swept Along by what was had the adventure.
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  It. Yeah.
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  And which is probably like the point.
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  I remembered images. I didn't remember the plots of
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  the stories it was images like davros coming back to life than
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  a felon ship bearing itself. Scare off space, the mandrel
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  bursting through the walls of the ship everything in the
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  Leisure Hive. That was just amazing.
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  The doctor has made gloss and here it's the met the spiders
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  coming out of the melon Ins in the Cliffhanger here, the marsh
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  man coming around Ramona possessed, things like that and
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  the Tardis in space canine on location.
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  It was a series Doctor Who was like a series of images that
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  stayed in my head and it was only when I was slightly older
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  and was reading the books that I would pick up what the plots
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  were. I know there was an episode
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  guide. Yeah, I was going to say, I can
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  imagine it's the target. Yeah, the target.
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  We've got more time. You take a step, you take more
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  time, reading a book. Yeah, and then you get immersed
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  in that world. I booked for this one.
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  I won in the Target book competition, in 1980, bring
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  down. I eat it.
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  I saw so brilliantly. I'm about 10 years ago.
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  I met Andrew slip and I was able to tell him that and he signed
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  the book for me and which was lovely.
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  And I was able to say what an impact, this storied had on me
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  as a young child because it really did this one was very,
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  very memorable particularly because I'd had the tape as
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  well. So I knew the plot of this one
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  actually probably better than any other because I heard it so
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  much. But again, I would listen to b.
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  I'm would very rarely, listen to the whole thing because
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  obviously, the bits where the music was good or parts, who was
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  quite boring. So there's a lot of talking in
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  part two, so I didn't listen to that so much.
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  But part 3, I really love to know what right II had to VHS is
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  when I was growing up and I put a blank tape in one.
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  Connect the scart lead from one to the other.
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  And then odd for called all my favorite scenes and I had a like
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  a mixed VHS tape. Oh well.
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  Okay my favorite scenes are but you couldn't do it with the ones
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  that they brought out. No they wouldn't record but the
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  ones you takes off the Telly. The ones that I got sent to me
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  from Scotland. Yeah and I do love wish I could
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  find that now I had yeah I had to not because my dad used to
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  have the video and the TV connected to his stereo.
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  I could record the audio of things quite easily.
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  So I had a cassette of my Favorite bits from Doctor, Who
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  stories of bits, where the music were he still got that?
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  No, no, my cassettes have gone to watch that video.
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  We knew we were going to head back into the past for this.
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  Why did? And have a bit of nostalgia?
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  There's a reason. Why when I look at the
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  demographics on this podcast, there's a huge Spike between 30
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  and 50. We're all doing the same time.
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  Let's I got to tell you, I've got a talking point, as soon as
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  we go. Alright.
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  Then. Okay.
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  As usual. Yep.
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  So I'll counter sin in five, four, three, two, one, go.
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  I don't know if anybody. Anybody watches alongside the
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  episode to know Pinterest? I've are sometimes think I
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  should why came with the ones I've done it.
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  Be nice to do that. Now, do it, if it means, it does
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  have re-listen ability this podcast because if you haven't
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  then you mind. Do you mind Yeah, exactly.
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  But that wasn't what I'll do right in if you've if you have
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  done that. If anybody has watched this, a
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  log sided episode, what's it? Like I've only done it once I
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  think marks only done it once as well.
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  My second point is Andrew Smith. Okay, who's an interesting
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  fellow? Yes, he is a little bit
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  self-effacing and quite quiet. It doesn't strike me as a very
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  egotistical writer I know and certainly not at the time as a
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  young kid Since he has written a number of big finish audio.
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  So yeah, hit and miss is how I would survive pouring.
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  That was a miss. That was a big Miss but he wrote
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  the first on tolerance for the Lost stories, right?
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  Yes and that was a big hit, my thought he's written some
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  interesting ones for Tom Baker, lot of water, Matthew Waterhouse
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  ya later on which really like and then he's done some for like
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  you know the hour long time. Yes, pretty dreary and I don't
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  know if maybe Chris paid. Me did beat this up a little bit
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  because I don't think he's written a script since as good
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  as this. I've often wondered how crisp it
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  means has has in typical crisp, it reads.
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  Well, don't believe how much he wrote off this season and I
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  suspect this one needed a lot of help.
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  Yeah. But I mean, he's always
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  actually, he's always been very generous to Andrew Smith and
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  said yet, he was really good, very spotty young lad who came
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  to the office. And we've talked about exactly
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  like, Krispy Kreme, just very rude, but, you know, this is
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  just screaming a bit me this story.
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  Yeah, isn't it? All of the technical dialogue,
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  it's very big need. Sort of how thoughtful and smart
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  is the moment of drama because like bit me.
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  Could absolutely right drama. Yep.
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  But even the monsters are not monsters naeun and that there
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  are Concepts. Yeah, well though really, if it
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  was a bit meet script it would be called a luxurious well
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  supposed to be the planet there's slept wasn't it.
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  I think that was the original really good full circle.
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  Oh well never mind. So hit.
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  So I still fit the last men look pretty good here.
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  As I can, there are worse monsters and that's what
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  glistening on there because it's just because they're all wet and
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  they're made of rubber. All right.
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  All right. All right.
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  You better. Not be lying.
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  I drink Miss Falls. A myth.
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  Yeah, I would want to hang out with these kids.
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  You know? They seem a bit whiny.
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  But it's a fun idea for kids. I think that there's a bunch of
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  sort of kid Rebels. Yeah.
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  Fighting against the system that would be useless though.
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  On there, you know the vehicle didn't you?
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  Lie on when you were a kid. Yeah, my sister really liked
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  Kira. I think I seem to remember her
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  liking that, but that might be, because it's a rare occurrence
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  of a young girl in Doctor Who since I have now become the
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  Mary, Whitehouse of had a blunt penknife.
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  So not when it comes to sexual references, what if Comes to
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  violence and horror. I've been talking about this a
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  lot. Yes.
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  Ali at times where I think the show's crossed the line, there
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  is a sequence in this where they go into the Tardis and they're
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  waving noise. Yeah, that's not wouldn't get
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  away with that now. Well I don't think you should
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  have got away with it at the time not and they're very pretty
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  shoddy looking know. I've so it doesn't too bad but
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  the inference is there take us where we want to go.
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  I'm going to stab you LOL Awards.
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  You know. I love all these things of the
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  doctrine canine, crouching down and hiding behind bushes and
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  things like that. It's not.
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  Okay? Now it's great to be abused in
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  this season. Well, he does get incredibly
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  abused very shortly. He was there but I was told it's
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  a child. Yeah, we got his head lopped
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  off. It comes out all of his videos
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  on our site where they leave the little baby one behind the
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  useless. One, you know, but how long does
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  it take them to evolve from a spider to a marshmallow, from a
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  large man to? So, they sort of skipped over
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  that I thought were supposed to be so thrilled by the idea of
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  it? Yeah, you don't have, don't have
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  time to think about it again, has too many questions now.
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  I got very clean because they've been out in the mud.
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  That's right. It goes.
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  We're taking over your ship. Ha ha.
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  Oh answer, it looks very apologetic.
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  Yeah, and he's the friend who has just had his they last
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  moment he looks absolutely haunted.
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  Speaking of somebody who works in a library right?
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  Yes, very tiny. That is very tight.
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  All those finals in a special little patterns, but I remember
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  the such as seeing an interview with the set designer and so
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  these are all milk crates. Are they free and their disguise
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  with Bits of Paper in them. So you don't see.
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  So they could, where you've got the bought the space for the
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  bottles and put a piece of paper.
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  In them and it distracts you from what they actually are.
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  So it's done Christianity, where he gives the great speech to
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  everyone. Yes ship.
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  Did he see that long shot? Yeah, with a huge sign above
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  the. Yeah, she is shooting up.
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  So it looks like it's huge, it's probably a tiny set but towards
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  the embarkation citizens continue the work of men.
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  Students. So is there a common here on
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  sort of bureaucracy? They're all absolutely.
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  I'd go around in circles and not actually achieve anything.
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  Hmm and again that ties in with full circle, white icing with
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  17, Douglas Adams was obsessed with that.
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  Those two that pair from Nightmare of Eden, to tighten
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  them up in red tape. Yeah.
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  But the owners very much, it's about the procedures and keeping
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  things going, and this is how you control your population.
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  Is it it because they have their jobs and they keep doing them.
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  The difference is, this is played absolutely straight.
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  Yeah, if this was 17, they would have, yeah, this will be playing
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  the part of the hell wouldn't there?
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  Yeah. And you've probably had a scene
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  where someone comes and repair something and then someone comes
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  and takes it apart and puts it all back together again, and
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  you'd probably explore the Starliner.
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  I find that fella in his bar top hitchhikers going, what we can't
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  actually do anything. We just go around around, you
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  know, I'm speaking of going, R&R a canine on location, doing a
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  good job in the mud. I can't see the street.
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  No Ramona, yeah. No, that's a bit there.
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  Knife to her throat, actually. Look, there are literally
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  fighting with knives. Yeah, that's not all.
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  And this is well Romano. Holding the knife to him.
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  Yeah. And then turning it around.
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  Yeah, it sucks. It isn't real nice.
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  You know, I remember when I first saw this, I got the, he's
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  space Trilogy on VHS and for me, it was some of the best TV I
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  thought I'd ever seen. At the time, I was three stories
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  are really strong and different ways and they're all doing
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  something different with Doctor. Who the one thing I've been.
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  They missed a trick got doing. In this story was showing the
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  marsh men carrying the Tardis and I think, damn, I couldn't,
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  they could have done that, it's quite a big white probe.
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  It would have been one of the iconic images of Doctor Who a
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  series of monsters carrying. The police box.
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  Yeah I think it would have been really cool to see that.
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  I don't know why they didn't the comedy here.
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  I know there's Tom just like I look they cut out a square where
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  flowers is it invisible? We haven't done this, not the
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  invasion of we and people, oh, I've come back to this
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  particularly in part 3, but people say, well, there's no the
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  compound season, there's no comedy and Tom Baker, can't be
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  arsed. But he is, he's on terrific,
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  forming this story. He's, he's actually looking at
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  this compared to the Leisure Hive.
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  He's aged quite a lot because we're recording out of order.
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  So, they've done the Leisure Hive State of Decay, made gloss.
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  Then this one. Hmm.
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  But he's obviously better from whatever the illness was that he
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  had and there are many different opinions of what is luring
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  drinking a lot. Yeah, and just a bit.
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  It depressed. Yeah, it was coming to an end of
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  viroid problem and losing weight.
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  So he's looking healthy here but it has aged him.
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  Yeah, and of it, you can say it hasn't, but he is on blistering
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  form in this story and he's doing things that he hasn't done
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  with the part before. Or we haven't seen him do for a
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  long time. It's a bit where the Mast child
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  dies. Yeah, I think is furious you.
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  Maybe haven't seen him. That angry sea.
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  Since the pirate Planet. Yeah, yeah, he never gets lauded
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  for what he's doing is always what he's not doing and everyone
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  says he's miserable, but he's not miserable until the very end
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  until the got Palace. Yeah, I don't think because I
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  think there is, there was an absolute thing here to make him
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  act in this. Yes.
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  Wasn't it? And it's a good choice because
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  it's a really great actor. Yeah.
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  And I don't, I know he didn't like it, you know, because they
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  were basically telling me what to do all of a sudden but you're
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  right, he's so good. Why wouldn't you showcase that?
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  And I think bid me would come down on the set and say read the
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  fucking script as we wrote it, you know.
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  And maybe not quite like that. Yeah, but that's the those
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  scenes in part 3, where he's confronting the deciders, he is
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  just one of his very best performances and it never gets
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  lauded in the way that stop pyramids of mars or the homo
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  sapiens speech, whatever gets but I think it's one of his key
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  moments and right at the last minute, he's still pulling
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  something surprising out of his his performance to what offering
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  the funniest bit. Stories, Ramada.
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  Rebecca. Remember, what a drink, where's
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  Ramona? Never mind.
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  My my my funniest bit is coming up in this episode where you've
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  got the wonderful bit where I am knee, Fred I'm Gareth.
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  I am Logan. And then Tom just turns around
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  with a huge grin just says and I'm the doctor so great.
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  This. It got.
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  Okay, compare this crowd of people, to the crowd.
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  We add on caliph racks going? You know what?
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  Yeah, I'm on the five old man. Scott are shall rise.
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  It's 80 and it is still only about 10x shows, but it just the
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  way it's shot. Yeah, mmm.
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  Yeah, there's a lot of thought, put into this Miss kraemer's
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  first. Yeah, and he hits the ground
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  running as forward. This look up, Alice Kilda and
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  hearth shock. Yeah, it has four, great
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  stories. And if only he could have done
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  that Dalek story as well and no such a loss.
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  I think he would have really made that Dynamic and then what
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  might have done in season 21. Imagine him directing Frontier.
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  Oh yes, or Targeting Warriors of the deep.
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  Sorry I was busy. I was bit the guard there by
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  vast. What?
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  He's got a shirt. Mostly I could.
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  Yeah. Well why is it a date?
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  Yeah. Because it's basically a Roberts
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  out. Yeah.
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  Peter greenaway it in brilliant action sequences to take it on
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  the five doctors. Yeah, exactly over.
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  That could have been very exciting like a heart thing
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  wrong. I think the five doctors is
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  wonderful. Yeah.
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  It's not exciting leader explored a bit.
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  Well, it's exciting when Jay and he directs the be of it.
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  All the idea of using the Tardis as a battering.
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  Yeah, that's great. All really great ideas.
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  That's a shame when we don't see it going down a hill on it, it's
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  just all those things yet. Oh, your sister, I can feel your
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  sister getting tense from here. Mmm, they can exploring the
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  cave. Mmm.
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  And it is nice. How obviously you know we meet
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  the humanoid character. Yeah.
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  Immediately we see the master and at the end of episode 1 The
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  spider comes along at the end of episode two, that's your three
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  elements. Yes.
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  But it's been staggered but a.s. and you don't know what the
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  connection is between the mall. I love and the moment.
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  We still don't know how long they've been at, no game.
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  Do we vote? Then my old landed recently and
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  they're just sort of repairing the ship and then they go again.
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  Oh, hop on. Just like no, no.
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  All those panels. And then.
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  Yeah, but that's place your piece and that's what they do
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  plastic bits. I say that I wore when I work in
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  a shop tonight. Yeah, so things on a shelf, over
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  someone take it and then fill it back up.
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  What's the spaceship? Corridors are interesting.
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  Lie designed for their, well, they're well designed.
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  So you can shoot them at different angles, yells massive.
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  Okay, I play seven vibe from this, you know, real.
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  You know, where they go along. The, the tunnel between the main
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  was the main set called of the flight deck.
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  Yeah. The flight deck and then under
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  the telephone. Yeah.
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  And they've got their little hexagonal, corridors reminds me
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  of that. All the Mass child.
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  This is such a lovely professors because it's without dialogue.
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  So it's all done via body like yatch and of course, Tom could
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  charm to everyone knew how much he could charm children.
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  So, So yeah, it's remember minerals and Iraq.
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  Yeah. When he comes in, he gives them
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  a sweet and then he tussled his hair.
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  You have to do is always kiss. Look very androgynous.
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  You do? Don't I.
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  Okay 20, it was the 70s. Oh, look, they've got some biker
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  on the edge and now that the captured the not good.
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  Isn't it in a sack or something? Yes, in a big net, isn't it?
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  Oh, this is your B. Now this is it going to turn it
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  out so we can all hear it. Oh wait.
• 22:42
  Oh, I'm sorry unless the sound effect of the mass job which is
• 22:47
  pigs. I was here first and treated
• 22:50
  there's there was a great interview with dick Mills on the
• 22:53
  radio, around the time. This went out there.
• 22:55
  I remember hearing where he said, oh, I had to go to a farm
• 22:59
  and record. All these sounds, here we go,
• 23:01
  lovely ceremony. All designed to beguile and
• 23:06
  that's all people. Look at those massive tunics.
• 23:09
  Uh-huh. The spot lights coming on around
• 23:12
  them. Wait, you were to lose it now.
• 23:18
  It goes dad. As coming back to these stories
• 23:35
  as an adult, that they've basically taken away canines
• 23:40
  personality in this season. Yeah.
• 23:42
  Well, we talked about this, didn't we in our baguette?
• 23:44
  In fact, yeah, so much to do. Yeah.
• 23:46
  And here is just written as a computer and it's such a shame.
• 23:50
  Yeah, ok9 folks has been decapitated, oh, That's all for
• 24:00
  a lot of look so upset, I don't say there's no Redemption for
• 24:03
  that Master marshmallow. Now, Dear.
• 24:09
  Oh that's right. So then they the marshman want
• 24:11
  to turn the Tardis into a batter and but that's right.
• 24:13
  What they all bugger off because they're scared.
• 24:15
  They're scared of the spiders. Yeah.
• 24:17
  Why would they be scared of spiders though supposed to do
• 24:20
  with Evolution? Probably?
• 24:22
  Okay. Perhaps the.
• 24:24
  Well, lots of people are scared of spiders when I gotta clear
• 24:27
  out the cave. So the bottom jump a lot of
• 24:29
  Wars. Lovely costumes has gotten this
• 24:36
  way, it's because the actress has such presence.
• 24:38
  Yeah. Yeah, that you can't help her
• 24:40
  lose because I feel like LA water Romana II, but what?
• 24:43
  They're probably very similar has two critical.
• 24:45
  Yeah. Other, which is the late,
• 24:47
  honorable site, Sarah wall. That's right.
• 24:49
  Yeah. Yeah, she is gorgeous.
• 24:53
  She says that she's not glamorous.
• 24:56
  I married her seeing a different way to Maritime.
• 24:59
  Absolutely glamorous. Yeah.
• 25:01
  She's not like not sort of, you know, movie Starlet.
• 25:05
  No, she's not married time. You put her ins.
• 25:08
  In those that sort of red riding gear fan.
• 25:10
  Yeah, horns of 91. She's asleep every costume apart
• 25:14
  from The Nightmare of Eden where arms are locked off.
• 25:20
  He goes. I love.
• 25:22
  I said this line over and over. Why can't people just get along
• 25:25
  just for one cerebelli nice to each other.
• 25:29
  It's a good point. Mmm, Yeah.
• 25:35
  I mean, look at that. Look at using the Hex Girls on
• 25:36
  the floor there. As yeah, it's just All attention
• 25:39
  to detail. There's just visually
• 25:42
  interesting. Huh?
• 25:43
  Sure. Oh, he's just turned their.
• 25:45
  Sorry upside down. Yeah.
• 25:47
  Just by saying And so is they did I bring them into the
• 25:53
  Starliner? When they miss come up just in
• 25:55
  case they find the control? The the marsh man.
• 25:59
  Yeah. And again, it's It's for the
• 26:05
  good of the community. Yeah, we've heard that.
• 26:07
  Yeah, exactly. I still hear that.
• 26:10
  We're she soon a car. It's.
• 26:12
  Yeah. And it's what you do to keep
• 26:14
  your population under control. So you tell them things, that
• 26:17
  become the truth, even though they're not the truth.
• 26:21
  And people believe it because they're told by someone in
• 26:24
  authority authority. Yeah, it's a very clever piece
• 26:28
  of writing decks. It is a really interesting
• 26:31
  character morally suspect Carrie I know but he sort of played
• 26:36
  quite amiable. Yeah.
• 26:37
  And then he's there and they're smiling through this doing
• 26:40
  vivisection brandishing that scalpel.
• 26:42
  Yeah. Saying I'm now going to do an
• 26:44
  examination of its brain. Well, here we go.
• 26:48
  Okay. So a lot of, a lot of the
• 26:51
  success of this Cliffhanger. I think it comes down to Paddy
• 26:54
  Kingsland deliver. Yeah.
• 26:58
  Yeah. Because look, they are, they're
• 26:59
  not and not the pretty rubbery out my butt.
• 27:03
  But also the editing as well. Yeah.
• 27:05
  And you've got little jump-scares where they pop out
• 27:08
  and just see as a young child because my sister is a year and
• 27:12
  a half younger than me. I don't think that yellow eyes
• 27:15
  help and I was glowing eyes up. Look it all straight towards the
• 27:21
  camera. So my sister who is a year and a
• 27:25
  half younger than me, would have seen this and this really scared
• 27:29
  her cause she didn't like the spiders.
• 27:31
  Anyway, it's nice to know that doctor who was doing his job
• 27:34
  back in the day. Yeah, I do like the ones that
• 27:37
  scuttling around. Yeah, floor.
• 27:38
  You can just sort of see the movie.
• 27:40
  I just, the Jeopardy of adric taking the Tardis off.
• 27:44
  Oh yeah. I just kind of say it if you
• 27:47
  could put the raw believer. I think I pulled the wrong
• 27:49
  lever. Oh, wow.
• 28:10
  Here we go. I'll come back to that question
• 28:17
  nicely, doesn't she look at that Jen's very graceful.
• 28:20
  Huh. Very great.
• 28:21
  Well she's a late honorable. She is maybe
• 28:34
  now that. So have we pushed a plot on a
• 28:36
  lot in that episode? I've been with extolled the
• 28:40
  Starliner. I think we've explored the But
• 28:43
  we haven't pushed it off and POP3 pushes it on.
• 28:47
  There's a lot of exposition in part.
• 28:48
  Yes, very isn't there? Yeah, this episode is about more
• 28:53
  Scene setting and getting the doctor into place.
• 28:55
  I asked the end, our location work, isn't it?
• 28:58
  It's all inside from now on. Yeah, I think you're right
• 29:00
  actually, isn't it? Yeah, I think that was a Savvy
• 29:03
  move. Uh-huh.
• 29:04
  I think always so we moved to put the money up front.
• 29:07
  Get them while they're hot. Absolutely.
• 29:10
  Wow. Sorry I'm not going to say.
• 29:14
  Will you hold my hand again. You're already holding my hands.
• 29:24
  Are you ready for part 3? Yeah, I'm going to stop with a
• 29:28
  tale of you for pop. Oh, I'm excited.