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"Megan Rapinoe!!!" (BONUS episode) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 1: In studio today... We are very lucky to have the
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  Speaker 1: co-captain of the World Cup champion United States National Women's
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  Speaker 1: Soccer Team, Megan Rapinoe. Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 2: Yay!
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  Speaker 1: I'm clapping for myself. Thanks for being here. I know
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  Speaker 1: it's been a busy day for you.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, of course. This is like the highlight.
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  Speaker 4: All the other stuff, like, you know, they make you do, but.
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  Speaker 5: Like this one I want to do.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's so nice of you.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome. That means so much.
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  Speaker 3: It's literally the most excited our team has ever been.
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  Speaker 3: Most people don't show up every day. And there's like
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  Speaker 3: 60 people out there to greet you and cheer. So
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  Speaker 3: this is awesome.
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  Speaker 5: Most people just don't even come into the office.
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  Speaker 3: You would be surprised.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We took a photo with Hick and Looper. Did not
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  Speaker 2: get the same response.
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  Speaker 1: Just a couple people short.
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  Speaker 3: Can we geek out about soccer for a minute?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's geek out.
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  Speaker 3: Just be fans. Let's go. Can we talk about the pose?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: This is great radio. I'm doing, uh, it was the
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  Speaker 3: post France.
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  Speaker 1: You all know what we're doing.
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  Speaker 3: You've done it a couple of times, I think. Um,
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  Speaker 3: in my research, where did that come from? Cause it
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  Speaker 3: looks like a statue. I'm looking at it.
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  Speaker 5: I know. I don't know where it came from.
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  Speaker 4: I did it before the world cup once, um, against
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  Speaker 4: Australia and Denver.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That was the first and I think the only non
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  Speaker 4: world cup pose. Um, I think it was just like
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  Speaker 4: a big moment. In the game, it was kind of
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  Speaker 4: a big game for us in the lead up. They
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  Speaker 4: were obviously one of the contenders, you know, to win
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  Speaker 4: the whole thing. And we took the lead and I
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  Speaker 4: was just like, yes, I did this.
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  Speaker 3: One of the most iconic sports photos of all time.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 5: And now it's really taken on a life of its own.
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  Speaker 2: It's cool to find a new arm movement. You'd think
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  Speaker 2: they'd all be taken, but you found a new one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: To make your own. That in and of itself is
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  Speaker 2: an accomplishment.
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  Speaker 4: And without like a, there's no like, and it's just
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  Speaker 4: kind of like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Cool.
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  Speaker 1: How do you deal with the pressure and expectations that
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  Speaker 1: are on you walking into that final game, not just
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  Speaker 1: as a player, but as an advocate, as someone who
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  Speaker 1: just got attacked by the President of the United States?
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  Speaker 1: How do you get everything out of your head and
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  Speaker 1: just sort of focus on the game?
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  Speaker 5: You know what's funny?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I try to get everything out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that's ever really been... Um, my approach,
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  Speaker 4: even just on the field, like sometimes things are going
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  Speaker 4: through my head or have a song stuck in my
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  Speaker 4: head or I'm like, I can hear the crowd or
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  Speaker 4: I can hear specific people in the crowd. Um, I
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  Speaker 4: don't think it's ever worked for me to just like
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  Speaker 4: be in the zone.
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  Speaker 5: I think I don't want to be alone in there. That's,
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  Speaker 5: that's terrifying.
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  Speaker 4: Um, so I think I just like always have kind
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  Speaker 4: of a lot going on in there and we always
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  Speaker 4: have pressure on us and there's always a million things
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  Speaker 4: going on. I call ourselves the traveling circus. at all times,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's in a World Cup or not. So I
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  Speaker 4: think even though it is elevated, I kind of just
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  Speaker 4: try to roll with it. And like we live this
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  Speaker 4: ridiculously good, fun, amazing life. So a little more pressure,
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  Speaker 4: I guess, is not too bad.
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  Speaker 2: Why are the male players also hot?
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  Speaker 5: They are all hot.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: It's weird.
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  Speaker 5: It is weird. I don't know what it is. It's
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  Speaker 5: the metrosexuality of Men's soccer, maybe?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are. They all put themselves together very well.
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  Speaker 2: There's no bears in there.
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  Speaker 1: No. None.
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  Speaker 2: No, they're very live. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Did I take this off the rails?
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  Speaker 1: No, that's a good question.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, I've been wondering the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: You should probably look.
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  Speaker 2: Further into that. So, just something to think about.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Something to dive into later. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: You did a lot of research on this one.
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  Speaker 5: Sounds like you dove in already.
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  Speaker 3: You guys had this big win.
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  Speaker 1: You came back.
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  Speaker 3: You did this awesome event yesterday in New York. You
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  Speaker 3: shut down the motherfucking city, as you said.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But the speech itself was this really cool call to
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  Speaker 3: arms for citizenship, I felt like. Like you said, you're
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  Speaker 3: more than someone who tunes in every four years and
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  Speaker 3: you called on the fans to make their communities better,
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  Speaker 3: step outside yourself, be bigger, be better. What made you
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  Speaker 3: turn that moment into something so big that was about
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  Speaker 3: more than just that game?
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  Speaker 4: I think, honestly, there's been a little bit of a
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  Speaker 4: shift in my messaging just since we got back on us.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's been, as you guys know, so much
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  Speaker 4: fighting and contention. Um, and we're just fighting all of
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  Speaker 4: the time fighting against, you know, our Federation and fighting
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  Speaker 4: against society and all of us. And like, I'm just
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  Speaker 4: sick of the fighting. Like it's exhausting. I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to do that anymore. And I don't think anyone really
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  Speaker 4: wants to do that. And I don't think we're getting
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  Speaker 4: anywhere quickly doing it like that. Um, so it's kind
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  Speaker 4: of just, I guess, uh, the next step of it.
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  Speaker 4: I think that, that the fight is important, but then,
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  Speaker 4: It's like you can't just sort of swing in the
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  Speaker 4: air forever. So this feels like the next step. What
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  Speaker 4: can everyone do? I think sometimes people feel totally overwhelmed,
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  Speaker 4: especially in the last few years with this current political
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  Speaker 4: climate and cultural climate.
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  Speaker 5: It's exhausting all the time.
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  Speaker 4: But maybe if you just do one small thing each day,
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  Speaker 4: that can sort of help change and then just try
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  Speaker 4: to get it down to a little bit more granular
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  Speaker 4: than trying to change the world all at one time.
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  Speaker 1: So you were one of the first... white athletes to
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  Speaker 1: join Colin Kaepernick in kneeling during the national anthem. Um,
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  Speaker 1: obviously that's a decision that comes with no small amount
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  Speaker 1: of risk. How did you sort of weigh those risks and,
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  Speaker 1: and ultimately make the decision to do that?
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  Speaker 5: Well, if you know me at all, you know, I
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  Speaker 5: don't weigh risks.
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  Speaker 4: At all or think ahead before I do pretty much anything. Um, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it all came about very quickly. Obviously I'm, um, you know,
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  Speaker 4: pay attention to sports in the news so I knew
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  Speaker 4: what was happening had seen a number of interviews by
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  Speaker 4: him um and I it just resonated um very deeply
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  Speaker 4: and very strongly with me and it was sort of
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  Speaker 4: one of those things it was like what do you
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  Speaker 4: do about police brutality in this country like what am
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  Speaker 4: I going to do about something so um ingrained as
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  Speaker 4: just me um who doesn't have time to like um
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  Speaker 4: you know get in there and make policy and be
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  Speaker 4: you know whatever so that just in that moment um
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  Speaker 4: I just felt like we had a game coming up
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  Speaker 4: and it was kind of I think maybe the night
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  Speaker 4: before I just was kind of thinking about it. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, this is like something that you should do.
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  Speaker 4: And I just kind of just did it.
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  Speaker 1: Have you have you always been politically active, politically interested
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  Speaker 1: like your whole life? Or is this something that happened
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  Speaker 1: over the last couple of years since Trump was elected
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  Speaker 1: or was it?
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  Speaker 4: No, I think, I mean, especially since college, I think
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  Speaker 4: much more. I was raised in Redding, California, which is pretty,
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  Speaker 4: you know, rural, small town, very conservative. And then went
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  Speaker 4: to Portland, Oregon for college. And I feel like my
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  Speaker 4: world just got completely blown apart. Yeah, I was like,
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  Speaker 4: first realized I was gay. Awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Did you not realize you were gay until you got
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  Speaker 2: to Portland?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. That happens to people.
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  Speaker 4: It was actually embarrassing looking back, like, Not to stereotype pictures,
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  Speaker 4: but straight bowl cut, cut the sleeves off, everything.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't wear a shirt until I was 12.
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  Speaker 4: I was just such a little baby butch back then.
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  Speaker 4: And I looked back. As soon as I found out,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, no one told me.
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  Speaker 2: Did they say tomboy?
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  Speaker 5: This is the biggest betrayal.
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  Speaker 2: Did they call you tomboy?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, you're damn right, tomboy.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, so going to Portland, I feel like my
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  Speaker 4: whole world just got opened up then. So I kind
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  Speaker 4: of started to pay attention more. But definitely as I've
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  Speaker 4: gotten older, older. And then I think being on the team,
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  Speaker 4: the team has always kind of been political. I think
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  Speaker 4: we have to, I think female athletes just in general,
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  Speaker 4: especially gay female athletes, we're just political just for being
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  Speaker 4: who we are.
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  Speaker 5: So it kind of makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: But is it weird that, I mean, I feel like
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  Speaker 3: in America, we think that freedom of speech doesn't always
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  Speaker 3: extend to athletes for some reason, right? Like LeBron James
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  Speaker 3: is told to shut up and dribble, right? Brandi Chastain
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  Speaker 3: was told not to celebrate how she wanted to, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like why do you think that is? And is that, uh,
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  Speaker 3: another impediment to speaking out as an athlete?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why that is because it's like some
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  Speaker 4: of the, the biggest like cultural shifts and change makers
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  Speaker 4: in our history have, have been athletes. And as a
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  Speaker 4: culture that's obsessed with celebrity in particular athlete celebrity, it's,
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  Speaker 4: it's amazing that we don't sort of lean on those
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  Speaker 4: people more, um, to, to kind of help shape and
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  Speaker 4: shift culture as it is. Um, And I think a
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  Speaker 4: lot of athletes don't feel comfortable doing that. They feel
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  Speaker 4: like there's so much on the line and this is
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  Speaker 4: their one chance to live their dream.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, rightfully so.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think Colin Kaepernick, obviously, the perfect example
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  Speaker 4: of that. Right now, you know, they took everything away
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  Speaker 4: from him on purpose just to silence his message. So
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  Speaker 4: I think athletes feel a fear of doing it, but
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  Speaker 4: it's actually very liberating too.
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  Speaker 2: So part of this is, you know, what it means–
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  Speaker 2: The criticism I think you've gotten a lot of that
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  Speaker 2: people like Colin Kaepernick have gotten a lot of is,
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  Speaker 2: can't you just leave politics off the field? But have
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  Speaker 2: you ever felt like you wanted to do that? Just
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  Speaker 2: literally just play the game and leave politics out of
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  Speaker 2: the field? Or is it possible for you to participate
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  Speaker 2: in sports without commenting on the ways in which being
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  Speaker 2: an athlete as a gay woman changes what it means
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  Speaker 2: to play in sports?
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  Speaker 5: It's impossible. It's totally impossible for me to do that.
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  Speaker 4: And I think really for any athlete, it's such a
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  Speaker 4: cross-section of society so often. So in that sense, I
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  Speaker 4: think it doesn't feel exhausting. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people ask, like, how do you sort of manage both?
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  Speaker 4: And it's like this is just normal life, and it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't feel exhausting. It would be exhausting to not talk
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  Speaker 4: about it because then you constantly have this thing that's there.
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  Speaker 4: that you're sort of pushing to the side and not
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  Speaker 4: talking about. But I don't think it's possible for me
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  Speaker 4: as a gay female athlete to leave politics to the side.
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  Speaker 1: When you said to 8x8, I'm not going to the
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  Speaker 1: fucking White House, did you have any idea... what that
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  Speaker 1: would lead to?
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  Speaker 5: No, it was totally planned.
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  Speaker 4: Um, no, it's sort of, it was like, uh, the
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  Speaker 4: Jersey unveil and it was kind of, it was like a,
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  Speaker 4: you know, behind the scenes, um, sort of moment. And
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  Speaker 4: I think I wasn't expecting it to blow up because
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  Speaker 4: I think it's, I've may have said it before.
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  Speaker 5: I would never go to.
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  Speaker 4: The white house in this administration or it was just
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  Speaker 4: pretty obvious that I would never go.
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  Speaker 5: So I didn't think it would be a thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I guess you throw the F word in there and
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  Speaker 5: everyone freaks out a little bit. Um, I do use
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  Speaker 5: it a lot. I mean, maybe tone it down a
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  Speaker 5: little bit.
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  Speaker 1: We do a few times.
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  Speaker 5: It's just in my normal flow.
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  Speaker 4: So then I get in these public moments and I'm,
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  Speaker 4: you know, screaming motherfucker in the middle of New York
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  Speaker 4: City and like cable television.
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  Speaker 3: And Blasio's like, you talking to me?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The culture is a mess. It's not the problem. It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine.
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  Speaker 4: But no, I did not think that it would blow
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  Speaker 4: up into the president tweeting me.
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  Speaker 3: What was that like?
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  Speaker 1: How did you find out like, Oh, the president just
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  Speaker 1: tweeted about me.
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  Speaker 4: Um, uh, from our press officer, um, with the team,
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  Speaker 4: I don't actually go on Twitter all that much. Um,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't have any like notifications or anything like
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  Speaker 4: that on cause it, that would just like totally drive
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  Speaker 4: me nuts.
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  Speaker 5: Um, so I found, so I had to actually go
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  Speaker 5: look cause he had sort of referenced something and I
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  Speaker 5: was like, Oh no. And there's, so we have a,
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  Speaker 5: A good relationship.
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  Speaker 4: We've obviously had a lot of media incidents to handle
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  Speaker 4: between all of us.
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  Speaker 5: So I was like, oh, dear. She did it again.
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  Speaker 2: What happened?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like, no one could be able to predict
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  Speaker 3: that our president is such a petty child that he
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  Speaker 3: views every issue through the prism of if you're mean
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  Speaker 3: or not mean to him. You guys are world-class athletes
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  Speaker 3: representing the United States of America. You'd think you could
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  Speaker 3: take a little insult. But no, not with this guy.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't even an insult. Is that an insult? I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he thinks it is.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's an insult. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: go to a fucking White House while this joker is
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  Speaker 2: in there. I would take that personally. That's true. If
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  Speaker 2: you said, oh, a party at Lovett's house over my
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  Speaker 2: dead fucking body, I'd say that.
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  Speaker 3: Hurt my feelings.
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  Speaker 4: Hell no.
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  Speaker 2: So he also did tweet that he was going to
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  Speaker 2: invite you anyway, turning what used to be an honor
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  Speaker 2: into quite a threat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How's that played out?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You've been threatened to go to the seat of American power. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Force feed you Big Macs.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 1: One downside of winning.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. Well, it's been oddly silent.
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  Speaker 4: And this is the preferred mode of communication for the
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  Speaker 4: president of the United States with all things in the world.
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  Speaker 4: So it's not like there is another medium that he's
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  Speaker 4: using that I'm just missing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like meeting Kim Jong-un at the DMZ, inviting you
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  Speaker 1: to the White House. It's all in the same medium.
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  Speaker 5: It's all one in the same.
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  Speaker 2: But there's been no official invite yet. No.
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  Speaker 5: Not publicly.
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  Speaker 4: I think that there has been some reaching out from
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  Speaker 4: the White House and from Congress and everybody to the Federation,
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  Speaker 4: but there's nothing public out there yet from the White House.
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  Speaker 1: The U.S. Women's National Soccer Team World Cup victory is
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  Speaker 1: not only a celebration of soccer, it's a celebration of
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  Speaker 1: the future of equality because Luna Bar believes equality can't
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  Speaker 1: wait for someday. And thanks to Megan and the players
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  Speaker 1: of the U.S. Women's National Soccer Team, someday is now.
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  Speaker 3: There has been universal, I think, outrage at the fact
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  Speaker 3: that you and your teammates are underpaid considering that you
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  Speaker 3: are the greatest in the world at doing something. Should
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  Speaker 3: we as allies in this cause be less focused on
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  Speaker 3: the disparity between you and the men's team when we
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  Speaker 3: talk about it and just talk about the fact that
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  Speaker 3: you make the Federation a ton of money and you
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  Speaker 3: deserve a proportional share of that? What's the best way
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  Speaker 3: for people to fight for you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think the compensation piece is talked about
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  Speaker 4: too much. It's a complex argument. Our pay structure is different.
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  Speaker 4: We play different games. We're different rankings in the world.
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  Speaker 4: It's just apples to oranges. But I think what isn't
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  Speaker 4: different is investment in teams, the care with which the
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  Speaker 4: teams are you know, thought about whether that's branding, marketing,
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  Speaker 4: you know, how much money is put in the coaching staff,
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  Speaker 4: how much money is put into the whole program, making
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  Speaker 4: it better into the youth teams, into the way we
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  Speaker 4: travel and the way we stay. All of that, I think,
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  Speaker 4: should just be across the board the same. And so
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  Speaker 4: until we have all of that the same and have
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  Speaker 4: those conversations, the compensation piece is kind of like the.
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  Speaker 5: Very last part of it. So like why is it
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  Speaker 5: acceptable for all.
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  Speaker 4: Of these years that, you know, they're just spending less
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  Speaker 4: in investment to grow the game on the women's side
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  Speaker 4: than they are the men's side, especially since the Federation
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  Speaker 4: is a nonprofit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. What are your next steps on the fight for
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  Speaker 1: equal pay? What's, uh, what's coming up?
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  Speaker 5: Um, mediation has been agreed upon. So that will be set.
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  Speaker 4: I think once all of the dust settles a little
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  Speaker 4: bit from the world cup, or at least people get
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  Speaker 4: back to, um, get back to their inboxes and start
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  Speaker 4: doing emails again. Um, We'll sit down with them and
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  Speaker 4: I guess start to try to hash this out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it should be interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Fun.
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  Speaker 5: It should be so much fun.
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  Speaker 3: I love mediation.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it should be interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of our listeners love you, love
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  Speaker 3: the national team. They want to support all of you
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  Speaker 3: guys in everything you do, but they don't know the
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  Speaker 3: best way to do it in an off year, not
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  Speaker 3: an Olympic year or World Cup year. What can they
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  Speaker 3: do if you're listening right now to support the women's
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  Speaker 3: national team, to support women's soccer in the.
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  Speaker 4: U.S.? Well, we have a league that we play in
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  Speaker 4: for five or six months out of the year. So
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  Speaker 4: buy season tickets, give them to your friends, tell your
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  Speaker 4: friends and family, support that way. And that really helps
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  Speaker 4: support a much larger pool of female athletes. There's only
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  Speaker 4: 23 players that were on the national team, and we
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  Speaker 4: have nine teams in the league, and there's hundreds of
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  Speaker 4: players that play who've I mean, I think the minimum
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  Speaker 4: salary this year is $ 15, 000 for six months. So who
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  Speaker 4: are basically paying the teams to play. So you can
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  Speaker 4: go and watch those games. Watch on TV. Go to
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  Speaker 4: national team games. Tell everyone that you know about it.
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  Speaker 5: Buy jerseys. Wear jerseys to work.
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  Speaker 3: We're all wearing jerseys.
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  Speaker 2: I had this already. I had this for such a
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  Speaker 2: long time. I always wear this jersey. And I wear
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  Speaker 2: soccer jerseys constantly. This is definitely not. The second time
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  Speaker 2: I've worn a soccer jersey since I was five years
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  Speaker 2: old and cried because I wanted to go home and
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  Speaker 2: do math. So, already there.
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  Speaker 1: And then you became a math major. It worked out okay. Yeah. So,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of commentators noted that Fourth of July weekend,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: there was this split screen, right? So, like, Trump's idea
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  Speaker 1: of patriotism is his celebration on the mall with a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of tanks.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't actually get to really see it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I had been like reading and kind of in
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  Speaker 5: the lead up of it all. And I was like, oh, God,
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  Speaker 5: how's this going to go down?
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  Speaker 1: It was a bunch of tanks and Republican donors. That
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  Speaker 1: was the 4th of July in Washington. Yeah. And then,
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  Speaker 1: you know, on the other side, there's you and the
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  Speaker 1: team and what patriotism means to all of you. And
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people said, well, that's real patriotism. Have you,
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  Speaker 1: has this given you opportunity to think about patriotism, what
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  Speaker 1: it means, how you think about it, how you define it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I first started thinking about patriotism after
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  Speaker 4: I knelt. Because I actually did not think that the,
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  Speaker 4: reaction was going to be anywhere near as bad as
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  Speaker 4: it was. I feel like I thought that me being
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  Speaker 4: an ally in that way would, would sort of help
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  Speaker 4: move the conversation maybe forward and, and sort of bring
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  Speaker 4: people together more. Right. If they see someone like me
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  Speaker 4: doing it, someone looks like me, my color skin, maybe
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  Speaker 4: a woman, a gay woman, it's like, okay, I get it.
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  Speaker 5: It all sort of makes sense. Um, that didn't happen.
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  Speaker 5: That was, wow, misread that one.
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  Speaker 2: America 2019.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty severely.
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  Speaker 4: Um, But I felt like I was being super patriotic.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I'm super patriotic. If we want to
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  Speaker 4: be this big, bad country and be the superpower and
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  Speaker 4: be leading the way in everything, and then we're just
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  Speaker 4: not doing that at home, I don't think that that's patriotism.
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  Speaker 5: That's not cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's like loving your country as being confident
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  Speaker 1: enough to know that it needs to change. Right.
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  Speaker 5: A little self-reflection, a little self-help. It's always good. Look inwards. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't think criticizing your country... you know, is bad.
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand why people think that makes us look
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  Speaker 4: weak in any way. I think being vulnerable in that
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  Speaker 4: way makes us look strong and then we can actually
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  Speaker 4: get rid of that problem and then move on to
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  Speaker 4: the next one and then we're even stronger.
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  Speaker 5: So, I don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: So, you have become a household name. You've become someone
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  Speaker 2: incredibly famous very quickly and someone who people put a
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  Speaker 2: lot onto, right? You represent women's sports. You represent gay people.
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  Speaker 2: You represent liberals in the culture now, do you feel
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  Speaker 2: any pressure now different from what you felt before just
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  Speaker 2: to win on the field to be this ambassador for
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  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of different groups of people?
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  Speaker 4: I felt that this World Cup, we had a lot
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  Speaker 4: of pressure for a lot of different reasons. I felt
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  Speaker 4: like if we didn't win, we would still be celebrated
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  Speaker 4: and it would be good. Um, but not, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the sort of monumental change that I think is happening
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  Speaker 4: at the moment. Um, yeah, I'm, I think I'm still
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  Speaker 4: digesting it. I almost have 2 million Instagram followers.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: From up from 500,000.
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  Speaker 2: As winning the world cup. I mean, because here's the thing,
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  Speaker 2: the world cup doesn't like you when you put a
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  Speaker 2: photo up.
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  Speaker 1: Nope.
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  Speaker 2: It just says, see you later.
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  Speaker 5: So see in four years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: These are likes that are going to happen every day.
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  Speaker 1: So the next step for you is Instagram influencer. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So brands, if you're listening.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Did you feel like you were adding pressure? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you did like this incredibly baller thing as to say,
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  Speaker 2: if we win the World Cup, we're going to say
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  Speaker 2: fuck you to Donald Trump. And there are a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people that, speaking of patriotism, decided to root against
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  Speaker 2: you for that. You kind of. And then you went
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  Speaker 2: out and you did it anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Called your shot.
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  Speaker 2: That was cool. Babe Ruth pointed somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: He pointed out. So that's what you did. You were
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: the Babe Ruth of telling Donald Trump to go fuck himself.
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  Speaker 3: We got a title.
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  Speaker 2: So that's cool.
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  Speaker 5: I've been looking for a book title.
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  Speaker 2: But did you know in that moment that you were
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: also going to be creating more pressure in an already
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  Speaker 2: high pressurized situation that now you've added this added thing
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  Speaker 2: of if we win we'll have like made a point
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  Speaker 2: to the president of the united states i think because.
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  Speaker 4: It happened mid-tournament and we were sort of already in
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: the mode and we have so much pressure already and
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  Speaker 4: like the first game we already had controversy over the
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: celebrating and that was so dumb i'm just like you
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  Speaker 4: guys really is this what we're talking.
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  Speaker 3: About winning we're scoring.
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  Speaker 5: It's fine it's totally fine that's.
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  Speaker 3: What you do when you we do end zone dances
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: yeah Really? Like, come on.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, why do we got to be picked
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  Speaker 5: apart about it?
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  Speaker 2: They don't want America to score the most goals and
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: be super pumped about it. They shouldn't have let us
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  Speaker 2: in the sport. You know what I mean?
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Don't allow us to play.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: You know? Very sip up our lip shit. You know
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: We're going to only score the goals we need.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: No. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: No, we're not. We're definitely not.
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  Speaker 4: So I think because it happened like it did and
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: we were already in the moment, it was already just
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: wild as it could be and there's no more pressure to.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: That you could put on. It's like, you have to
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: win the world cup in spectacular fashion.
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  Speaker 4: What else is more than that? Not even Donald Trump is,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: is more pressure than that. But I think it was
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  Speaker 4: a little, it actually happened at a good time within
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: like the cycle of our games as well, because we
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: had a few days in between for the game. So
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: we were able to like digest it and address it.
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  Speaker 4: I addressed it like kind of head on in the
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  Speaker 4: press conference. And then it was just sort of put away.
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  Speaker 4: And then, Yeah, we played in the craziest, craziest game.
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  Speaker 4: That game against France was amazing. The atmosphere was like
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  Speaker 4: nothing I've ever experienced.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's so cool. So you are, you might have noticed
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: there's a primary happening on the Democratic side. There's like
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: 35 people running.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: You are going to be the most wanted surrogate in
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: the history of presidential politics.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: Are you ready for that?
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Is anyone interesting? Anybody making a couple
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: of phone calls? Mayor Pete on line one, Elizabeth Warren
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: on line two.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Um, I think that there has been, um, interest a
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: little bit. I have not heard directly. Um, but I
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: think maybe once the dust settles, I want to pick
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: the winner.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: You know?
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You don't want to be stuck with some.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Someone who just collapses. Yeah.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: That's going to be really embarrassing.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Are you worried at all that dancing with Bill de
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Blasio is bad for your brand?
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  Speaker 5: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Definitely. He was on my float four years ago. And
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: he was on it again this year. I thought, man,
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: I hope he doesn't drag us down.
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  Speaker 1: The even funnier thing, better thing about your speech yesterday
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: was when you They're like, Governor Cuomo, is that it?
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: It's Cuomo?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Cuomo. Cuomo.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they all need to hear it.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: That was, honestly, you not knowing Cuomo's name in front
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: of Bill de Blasio was the happiest moment of.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: That man's life. It all goes downhill from here.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the best thing that's ever happened to him.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: That was his highlight yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: We have to get you to Jimmy Kimmel, so... We
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: will leave you. Thank you so much for joining us
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: today and for coming here. This is the highlight of
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: most people who work here. This is the highlight right here.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is pretty good.
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  Speaker 4: I have to say, you guys were vital in my
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: preparation and readiness for the World Cup. Music can no.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Longer be a motivation for me in my workouts.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, I hate it, I hate it, I
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: hate it, I hate it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: I already know this song. I can't listen to music.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: I need something.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Like to take me totally away from my workouts. So
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: like literally 80% of my workouts, I listen to you
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: guys in the podcast.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: It's long too. So I can like get through the
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: whole thing. I stay abreast of the news and, um,
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: keep myself woke and keep myself educated.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: You're like, is shit at the gym?
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: You're like, instead of music, what would really pump me
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: up is a Dan Pfeiffer, Paul Ryan. Yes, yes. That's
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: what I need right now.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Seriously.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: I love it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: You guys delivered the news in such an easy way
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: to digest and learn.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: You're so smart. You're so entertaining. So thank you for that.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Otherwise, it's like I probably wouldn't have been prepared and
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: then like Donald Trump would be like, see, I told her.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: She's trying to win.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Do we get that in close-up?
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: It's the best thing that's ever happened to us.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: We're going to pump that out there in the world.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: So really, you guys won the World Cup.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: We won the World fucking Cup.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you did.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Megan Rapinoe, thank you for being here. Congratulations again. You're
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the best.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Thank you.