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Killer Thriller Docu: The Real Wolf of Wall Street: Former insiders reveal what the Leonardo DiCaprio movie didn't show · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, you guys, Welcome back to Killer Thriller Docu edition.
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  Speaker 1: So today we are exploring the explosive true story behind
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  Speaker 1: one of the most infamous financial scandals in history. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure most of you guys have seen or The Wolf
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  Speaker 1: of Wall Street, while we are talking about the real
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  Speaker 1: Wolf of Wall Street. And it's a three part documentary
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  Speaker 1: series that takes a closer look at Jordan Belfort, his
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  Speaker 1: Stratonokmon Empire, and the people who witnessed the rise and
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  Speaker 1: fall of the firm that became synonymous with nineteen nineties excess.
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  Speaker 1: I was obsessed with this film, you guys, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: a lot of you were as well. It starred Leonardo DiCaprio.
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  Speaker 1: It was crazy and over the top and sort of
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  Speaker 1: sexy and then kind of you know, like these guys
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  Speaker 1: were just total assholes. But anyway, the series goes the
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  Speaker 1: true series goes beyond the Hollywood version of the events,
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  Speaker 1: so features never before seen footage, thousands of internal FBI documents,
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  Speaker 1: archival interviews, and first hand accounts from those who were
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  Speaker 1: closest to Jordan Belfort. And joining us today are Ross
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  Speaker 1: Portnoy and Howie Gelfin. So they were two participants in
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  Speaker 1: the documentary, and they actually share their personal experiences with
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  Speaker 1: Strattonopmont and the culture that fueled its success and the
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  Speaker 1: aftermath that followed. So we're going to talk to them
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  Speaker 1: and separate fact from fiction, so you know the reality
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  Speaker 1: behind Jordan Belfort's larger than life persona, why the story
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  Speaker 1: continues to captivate audiences more than thirty years later. I'm
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  Speaker 1: very excited to talk to these guys. I was again
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with the movie, their characters in the movie, and
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  Speaker 1: I want to know what's true and what's not. So
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  Speaker 1: let's bring them in. Hi, guys, welcome to the pod.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Killer Thriller.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, you too, thank.
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  Speaker 1: You for being here. I have to say I have
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  Speaker 1: to start off by saying, it's sort of a pleasure
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  Speaker 1: to be talking to two people who are not involved
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  Speaker 1: in some gruesome murder, kidnapping, rape, awful. Although I don't
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  Speaker 1: know exactly what went on, it's strattening. I think I
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  Speaker 1: do now after watching.
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  Speaker 3: So far You're in the clear.
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  Speaker 1: So far, whew, so far in the clear. But again,
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  Speaker 1: thank you guys. I have to tell you that I
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  Speaker 1: really enjoyed the documentary. What how did this. Obviously, I
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  Speaker 1: saw the movie and I was obsessed. I was just
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  Speaker 1: saying that to our listeners before. I love that movie,
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  Speaker 1: and I've had like a picture in my head from
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  Speaker 1: the movie of how the whole thing went down, and
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  Speaker 1: it all seemed like it was the most fun. When
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  Speaker 1: I watched the documentary, it does not seem like it
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  Speaker 1: was all fun and games. So tell me how the documentary,
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  Speaker 1: How did this happen? Who decided let's tell the truth,
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  Speaker 1: true story.
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  Speaker 2: True, true story? Is I, as you've seen in documentary.
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  Speaker 2: I have videos that I've had certainly do in my
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  Speaker 2: bed for thirty five years. We've moved. When I got
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  Speaker 2: the busy, you know, I've had the videos. When the
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  Speaker 2: movie came out, a lawyer friend of mine was friendly
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  Speaker 2: with somebody entertainment tonight, brought me up there. They offered
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  Speaker 2: me x amount of dollars no legals. I said, have
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  Speaker 2: a nice day and I moved on. I reached out
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  Speaker 2: to Jordan and said, I have the media is all
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  Speaker 2: over me. Do you want my videos? And he goes absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: I'm on my way to Australia. Called my assistant. I
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  Speaker 2: called assistant, said I have the videos. Jordan wants them. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And when Jordan found out I want them for money
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  Speaker 2: because he stows me money whatever, he told me to
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  Speaker 2: scratch my ass and move on, you know, lose my number. Right,
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  Speaker 2: These videos are it brings out the sense of the partying,
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  Speaker 2: the craziness, not the true sense of you know, the
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  Speaker 2: movie depicts a lot, but this is the real side
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  Speaker 2: of what went on. And they and I finally, I've
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  Speaker 2: been working on this for thirteen years since the video,
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  Speaker 2: since the movie came out of trying to get out
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  Speaker 2: my story and it ended up that we all got
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  Speaker 2: together Paramount will you know license my videos, and and
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  Speaker 2: here we are, He's finally playing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I feel like the difference there are a
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  Speaker 1: lot of differences in terms of the documentary in the movie,
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  Speaker 1: but I felt sad for you guys, right, And I
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  Speaker 1: mean I don't think that you were necessarily the actors
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  Speaker 1: or the characters were that sympathetic in the movie, but
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  Speaker 1: I did feel for you. I did feel your pain
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. And I mean even just just how
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  Speaker 1: are your story of addiction and you know, being in
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  Speaker 1: that kind of just just microcosm of sex, drugs, rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll during those times, and I felt for you
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't you know, your characters, although they were
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  Speaker 1: certainly important, and they weren't necessarily you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: all about Jordan. I feel like in the film, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you felt that way, but I get
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  Speaker 1: I like being able to see the whole thing from
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  Speaker 1: your perspectives.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the reason I got involved with this whole documentary
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  Speaker 3: is because someone said the word real. I said, I
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  Speaker 3: if this there was a genuine interest in the real story,
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  Speaker 3: not that fairy tale that I watched in the movie theaters.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of a fairy tale I'm in. Yeah, listen,
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  Speaker 1: there was stuff that they didn't show, which I'm very
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  Speaker 1: but the well I was about to say that came
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  Speaker 1: out of your mouth and make reference to the prostitute
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  Speaker 1: taking a shit on the table or whatever. But that
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  Speaker 1: is so so disgusting. I mean I was it was
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  Speaker 1: I cannot believe the way you guys lived.
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  Speaker 2: But on the other side of that, think about these
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  Speaker 2: girls again, nothing against women power, all that it was
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  Speaker 2: getting paid big dollars to do what most of them,
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  Speaker 2: not all of them, most of them did for a living.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like at his bachelor party, there were girls
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  Speaker 2: that were you know, heard dollar signs and you know,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen twenty year old girls showing up to have a
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  Speaker 2: great time and you know, whatever they did, they did,
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  Speaker 2: but they got paid pretty well to that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I would certainly hope so because what
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  Speaker 1: was being asked of them, I don't know, I think
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  Speaker 1: that that was worth big, big bucks. So it was
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  Speaker 1: just awful. But anyway, so tell me what you guys
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  Speaker 1: think the biggest misconception is in terms of the movie
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  Speaker 1: versus the documentary. What did the movie get wrong? And
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  Speaker 1: probably a lot you're going to say to me, but
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  Speaker 1: but what can me tell me One of the main
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  Speaker 1: things that you think the movie got wrong?
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  Speaker 3: The firm closed and not one federal authority, local authority.
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  Speaker 3: No one came to that office for months. There was
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  Speaker 3: no FBI raid.
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  Speaker 1: That was very Hollywood, right, very Hollywood.
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  Speaker 3: And I know because I got one of my friends
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  Speaker 3: to play one of the FBI agents.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And.
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  Speaker 3: You know it's sat dormant with all the finals and
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  Speaker 3: all of this and all of that. But that's just
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  Speaker 3: one of a lot that they got wrong. So that's
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  Speaker 3: why you know, I was missing and a lot that
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  Speaker 3: was in there.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I saw the movie with my older brother it was
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  Speaker 3: a very reserved guy attorney. And when we walked out
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  Speaker 3: of the theater, you know, we heard the chatter that's Hollywood,
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  Speaker 3: it's bullshit. But it was entertaining. And and my brother
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  Speaker 3: turned to me and said, if they only knew that
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  Speaker 3: was the mild work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what. Yeah, that's how it felt when
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  Speaker 1: I was watching the film. It really did. And and
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  Speaker 1: a lot, I thin good part a lot to do
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  Speaker 1: with your home movies were us?
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  Speaker 2: They what a lot to the table because obviously they're
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  Speaker 2: virgin movies. Nobody's seen them other than some friends that
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  Speaker 2: you know, I showed some friends over the years, right,
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  Speaker 2: But you know, the chaos was there. You know I
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  Speaker 2: got one because I did printing. I was the print
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  Speaker 2: defer all the firms.
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  Speaker 1: Right, wait, can I ask you something? So when you
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  Speaker 1: say the printer for all the person my husband is
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  Speaker 1: actually a securities attorney and he actually did IPOs in
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  Speaker 1: the nineties, like he was he remembers all of this
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  Speaker 1: with as Goldman and Ray Dirks. You guys probably knew
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  Speaker 1: these guys, right, So, but would he would go to
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  Speaker 1: the print, he would come back at four in the
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  Speaker 1: morning from the print. I didn't even know what he
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  Speaker 1: was talking about. It was like, why don't you just
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  Speaker 1: get a xerox machine. He would go to the printer
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  Speaker 1: and they would feed these attorneys whatever, caviar and maybe drinking,
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  Speaker 1: and was it like that, is that what you were doing?
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  Speaker 2: I did all the internal I did not do any
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  Speaker 2: financials for them. Well, you have got suspectuses that were
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  Speaker 2: printed out on huge web presses, and like the news,
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  Speaker 2: they would just print it out and yes, they had
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  Speaker 2: to be on site fully legal terms to make a
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  Speaker 2: change of word. I printed business cards. I told somebody
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  Speaker 2: before Stratton had six seven hundred brokers and I printed
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  Speaker 2: business cards where in nineteen ninety four, I think I
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  Speaker 2: made one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars just on
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  Speaker 2: business cards.
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  Speaker 1: You were literally printing out all the stuff they needed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the pocket folder, the in searchs, the the brochure,
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  Speaker 2: the business card, and the album. Every phone call that
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  Speaker 2: was made and somebody said here is my address, it
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  Speaker 2: went out and they I'm telling you I couldn't print
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  Speaker 2: fast enough. Streat Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, and also just remind me which characters who
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  Speaker 1: played you guys.
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  Speaker 2: In the movie I'm in the book.
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  Speaker 3: From what I heard, Well, everyone, but from a legal
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  Speaker 3: perspective only. In Leonardo DiCaprio played one person, Jordan. Everyone
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  Speaker 3: else was a composition, and apparently Jonah Hill was a
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  Speaker 3: composition of me and my dear friend Danny.
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  Speaker 1: Got it okay?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 1: So now that we have the real, real in terms
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  Speaker 1: of the whole story, that tell me back in the day,
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  Speaker 1: what was it that you talked a little bit in
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  Speaker 1: the film. So forgive me if I'm making you repeat
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  Speaker 1: some information, But what drew you Stratonokmont, what do you
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  Speaker 1: think was it?
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  Speaker 2: Jordan?
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  Speaker 1: Was it the idea of this money?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 3: I saw I saw on the phone a guy that
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  Speaker 3: would have been voted the most likely person to fail
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  Speaker 3: at everything he tried and be cordoned off in a
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  Speaker 3: corner to eat Oreo cookies and play with crayons. I
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  Speaker 3: walked over to him because I heard these numbers and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, what, I was making thirty five thousand
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  Speaker 3: dollars a year and I was hearing ten twenty thousand
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  Speaker 3: a month. I said, rich, what what do you make
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  Speaker 3: of these numbers? Real? And he said, oh, I'm good
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  Speaker 3: for like, you know, twenty to thirty thousand a month.
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  Speaker 3: And it was at that point, I said, howie, if
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  Speaker 3: you don't make one hundred thousand dollars a month, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I remember that seriously considered killing yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope you did really say that to yourself,
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  Speaker 1: But I did hear you say that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my buying I was in.
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  Speaker 1: You still feel that attached, Like in terms of money,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think like, oh god, no good I played.
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  Speaker 3: I was a contestant on he who dies with the
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  Speaker 3: most toys wins. I had them all, and no one
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  Speaker 3: could be more miserable than I was. Now, coming up
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  Speaker 3: on fourteen years of sobriety, I have my much ex
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  Speaker 3: serenity of peace, the most amazing relationship with my kids.
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  Speaker 3: So a lot back then, it was the next watch,
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  Speaker 3: the next car, the next house, the next this, the
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  Speaker 3: next this, and it's constantly at distancing yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, of course, did you feel like that as well?
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  Speaker 2: I lived a different part of that because my money
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  Speaker 2: was legitimately earned by meat breaking, my ass printing. I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't enough for them to literally they went through paper
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  Speaker 2: like crazy. But as far as you know, I was
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  Speaker 2: making money, I guess legitimately as much as it was
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  Speaker 2: blood money. As we've all told right, investors, Right. My
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  Speaker 2: relationship was different with Jordan's. My ex wife grew up
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  Speaker 2: with him in Bayside. I knew him through my good
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  Speaker 2: friend's siblings in Bayside, and you know, I knew him
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  Speaker 2: for the most part on Jones Beach, selling ices and
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  Speaker 2: doing you know, squeezing.
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  Speaker 1: I have to tell you, those stories were great. I
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  Speaker 1: love those stories. I think that they you know, like
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  Speaker 1: how you said that he was the most unlikely to
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  Speaker 1: succeed in certain ways right when you looked at him,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know, he was some kind of a
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  Speaker 1: jack as sitting around in the oreos whatever you were saying.
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  Speaker 1: But then there was this drive in him right that
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  Speaker 1: he was going to sell the most ices on the beach.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, No, I was I was referring to someone else.
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  Speaker 3: I was referring to Jordan. I was referring to an
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  Speaker 3: actual moron that I knew from high school. Mmmm, not Jordan.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because Jordan seems like, yeah, like he was so scrappy, right,
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  Speaker 1: That's what we got to see in the documentary is
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  Speaker 1: even as a kid, he was spinning. His head was
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  Speaker 1: spinning around more and more more. And if I pinched
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  Speaker 1: the bottom of the snow cone, I don't have to
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  Speaker 1: put as much ice in it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was selling meat and seafood and uh wow,
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  Speaker 3: you bought these really nice shrimp. By the time they
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  Speaker 3: were done, they were the size of your pinky nail.
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  Speaker 1: Because with war, I wonder if they still do that
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  Speaker 1: sort to give you have to give a little credit.
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  Speaker 2: Brilliant smart right really?
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean brilliant. Right, he is a brilliant guy.
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  Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean he was a good guy. No,
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  Speaker 1: you don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: HOWI I think he's a brilliant salesman yah, master manipulator, yes,
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  Speaker 3: and platinum con artist. And he's the same guy, just
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  Speaker 3: selling a different product from what I see. I don't
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  Speaker 3: follow him. I don't like him. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 3: had nothing to do with him. Twenty five years ago,
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  Speaker 3: he reached out on Facebook and said, everyone's a friend
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  Speaker 3: of mine? How come not you? I said, I got
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  Speaker 3: good news and bad news. The good news is I
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  Speaker 3: lost all the weight. The bad news is you're still short.
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  Speaker 3: Have a nice life.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well I did. Probably Going back about two years ago,
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  Speaker 1: I was doing different podcasts and I interviewed Nadine Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and what a wonderful lovely woman. And listeners, I know
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  Speaker 1: you guys have probably at this point seen either the
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  Speaker 1: movie or the documentary, but we're talking about Jordan's wife.
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  Speaker 1: What a wonderful, lovely woman, and she does so much
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  Speaker 1: work now talking about malignant and covert narcissism, and that
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  Speaker 1: Jordan was a narcissist bottom.
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  Speaker 2: Line to.
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  Speaker 1: The umpteen degree, right.
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  Speaker 2: And he had Napoleon complex, So he was Napoleon. He
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  Speaker 2: was five five. I was five eight. I'm like five
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  Speaker 2: seven at best.
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  Speaker 3: He was three foot two.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's like below a five four five three.
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  Speaker 2: He was five five, five five six.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: He never wore anything other than cowboy boots. I think
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  Speaker 3: he wore his cowboy boots in the pool.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm not the same, Like it's like George from Seinfeld, right,
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  Speaker 1: like Blin's or something the like, wouldn't take them off,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like wearing into the wedding.
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  Speaker 3: It was so funny. He used to be at this big,
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  Speaker 3: big desk and you just see like I had, That's
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  Speaker 3: what you would see.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how much of that drove him, like in
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  Speaker 1: terms of just bring up insecure, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Andy tells that story. Yeah, Andy was very Andy
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  Speaker 2: and my ex wife were very close to him. They
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  Speaker 2: grew up together. Right. He had a big complex. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was a good sport, but his height, he had
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  Speaker 2: Andy said, he had injections, he had growth hormone. Whatever
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  Speaker 2: he had, and to the hand, he was dealt. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's not a bad looking guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's just oh he's handsome. He should Yeah, you don't
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  Speaker 1: think so.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I don't like him.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. I think he's objectively attractive.
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  Speaker 2: Not for me, not my type.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm sure he did just find for himself back
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  Speaker 1: in the day.
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  Speaker 2: He did a number on his first wife. That's the kicker,
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  Speaker 2: because Denise was I knew Denise before he met her
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  Speaker 2: and was a gem of a girl.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, I would you guys have talked about that
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  Speaker 1: a little more in the film. I always wondered that
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  Speaker 1: because she was portrayed. She seemed love in the movie version,
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  Speaker 1: and then she got so screwed at the end.
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  Speaker 2: I know, its screwed even beyond what you even know about.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get lay. She's stuck by his side.
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  Speaker 2: He went from nothing, you know, and then he started
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  Speaker 2: growing and then you know, next thing you know, he
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  Speaker 2: was making millions of dollars, and Nadine came into his life,
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  Speaker 2: walked into the ham Audie and the rest is history.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: What was her name?
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  Speaker 3: Was?
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  Speaker 1: The ex wife?
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  Speaker 2: Niece? How she now?
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  Speaker 1: I hope she's doing well.
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  Speaker 3: She's doing pretty well. She married one of the largest
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  Speaker 3: and the chocolate business families.
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  Speaker 2: Nice, yeah she did, but she was ill for a while,
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  Speaker 2: so I hope she's doing well. I have not seen
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  Speaker 2: or spoken to her in many years, but a good girl.
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  Speaker 1: I can imagine that must have been very difficult. But anyway,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: so in terms of like obviously we know now about
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: like the parties and the excess with Sodom Gomora, all
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: of that, but that was such a big part of
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: the movie and so much fun. I hate to say
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: it to watch. Do you feel like that overshadowed the disaster?
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: That always, the fear, the sadness, the you know, it
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: was the movie. It was so amazing just to watch
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: the yacht and the speeches. And I don't know that
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: it was glamorous almost the movie, and I don't know
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: how glamorous it was in real life living.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: That I heard the part of me in the podcast
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: talking about how I cried in the movie theater. Yeah,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I was already got when it sank into life and
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: oh yes, right, so yeah, the yacht scene in the
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: movie just put me over the edge because they mocked
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: it and we were actually for eighteen hours, we literally
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: almost died twice. And I'm glad I'm here to talk
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: about it. But he still to this day mocks it.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: He's done interviews over the years of saying how I
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: pushed the women at it away and jumped into this
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: naval seal's arms to be rescued. It's all bullshit. It's
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: all his demented thinking and his hype and to glamorize
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: and glorify himself. And you know, I take it personally.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: You know, it's all talking about and he wrote about
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I mean by name and my ex by name, you know,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: like why why you don't? But that's that's the hatred
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: that I have.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I don't blame you one bit. I will tell you
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: that the movie, it just didn't seem like that big of.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: A deal they made. I think they ran out of time.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Well, i'd also, I don't want to say it didn't
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: seem like a big deal. It didn't feel like it
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: was really life or death on that yacht and watching
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: the documentary, I could I more interested the gravity of it,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: how awful it was, than I did when I watched
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: the film.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Do you have videos from the sinking of the yacht?
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And the true part of that story is when the
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Italian name when the Rome coast Guard sent the helicopter
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: to get us, They asked us they raided ahead to
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: throw all helicopter off the yacht and Jordan comes running down.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: He was up with the bridge with the captain. We
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: had already been like nay, shit, we were annihilated. That
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: roadwave hit us and he comes running down and goes
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: ross quick get the video camera. We're rolling the helicopter
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: off the yacht. Well, needless to say, I was sick
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: as a dog. It's just battled. Four hours of that
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: and no I did not get to be the camera. Unfortunately,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: the video camera and my rot watches my ex wife's
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: rings all sank. So yeah, people ask me all the time,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: like where's the video from the on I'm like, think
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Yacht to sign, I thought, that's the dumbest question ever.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: You've got to hold video camera up when you're about
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: to capsize.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: We left with nothing. It all went down with the boat.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: We were not allowed, ex wife, we'd had a product bag,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: a knapsack right take it, which a honess was sent
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: out for us. You couldn't wear anything that never made
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: it sure, which is the story in itself, because everyone
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: else's luggage made it ours didn't. And when it came
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: time to sue, well, when Joy got his seven point
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: film four million dollars from Lloyd's London, he made us sue.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Instead of him saying here's the money you lost, he
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: made us sue Lloyd's London, which after two and a
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: half years, we got our money and they got a
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: third of it. But he cashed out pretty big. He
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: did good for a yacht that he hated. Help.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm all over the place, so forgive me because
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: there's usually an order to this. But I'm getting very
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: caught up in all this stuff you guys are sharing
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: with me, and I'm just enjoying it. But how in
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: terms of where he is at today? Is he have
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: money today? I know he does inspirational speaking or something.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Does he tell people how to sell how to sell
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: a pen? Something like that?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I think what he does is he goes to fortune
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: five hundred companies and other companies obviously, and.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: They want him and they say, yeah, we're going to
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: bring him in.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: He's got to get the gab. He's how he's got
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the gift the gab. But he's honest and legit. He's
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: got the gift the gab, and the product he's selling
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: is himself. And he doesn't have any for me. He
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't have any regret of what he did in the past.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: He's never once come forward and said I'm sorry, please
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: forgive me. I watched him on Piers Morgan and Pierre
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: said to him, Jordan, how much of Strattonokmunt was real
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and how much was fake? And Jordan goes, well, ninety
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: eight percent of it was real and two percent was
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: fake because we had some brokeers. I mean, how do
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: you make a statement, you know, I mean the truth
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: is out there now. That is such bullshit. I mean,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: how do you say that?
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Do you think he did he ever meet with any
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: of the investors, the people that he screwed.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Years ago when the movie first came out. He was
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the guy that lost two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately it's net worth, but yeah, that's the only person
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I spoke with Wait, but that guy.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: You said, that was the way he told it. I
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: thought that was like his net, like he lost all
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: of his money.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Or there were thousands of people. This was just one person, right.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: No, but the one that actually right, the one that actually.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Doc that's blurred out, is not him.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Howie, what about you? Have you ever met me these
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: these guys that you convinced to invest with you or women,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: men or women?
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, on one of the podcasts, I was
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: asked in order to do what I was doing and
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: what was being asked of me, I had to stay
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: anesthetized twenty four to seven. I had to be stumped
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: because there is no way that I could do what
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I was doing with a clear head. You know, there
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: are some people that got involved with that place good intentions.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Thought I was starting at a normal brokerage firm and
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: then before you know it, making all this money and
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: where am I going? Like I said, golden handcuffs. But
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: then there were some bad people that really didn't give
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: a shit.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, you want me to bury your body, I'll bury
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: your body. You want me to sell a stock, I'll
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: sell a stock. You want me to throw a hatchet
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: or your wife's had no problem, you know. So it
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: was all all these combination of people. But the one
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: thing you would hit on, Jen was that Hollywood's not
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: going to show the ugly side of it. You know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Goodfellas wouldn't be the legend.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: It is glamorous in some way.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Right if you saw Joe Pesh, you all of a
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: sudden crying have to re shoot someone or whatever the
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: case might be. And there's plenty of people, you know.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I even mentioned that some of the some of these people,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: the investors and so on and so forth. Yes, were
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: they duped one hundred percent? Were they greedy, yes, No
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: one had a gun to their head. Their interest was
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: in putting money in a stock market, making money.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I totally hear what you're saying. But I'm also curious,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: because you do hear hear of the grandmothers that answer
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the phone that has to exist.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I don't have, and I've had a lot of experience there.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: And one of the one of the very few rules
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: that you couldn't open an account with someone who was
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: worth less than a million dollars, less.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Than one hundred dollars.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then then you were free to rob the million, but.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: He had to be as you think that actually stood up.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: No, there really wasn't. In know I firsthand. I would
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: have had accounts with people who had lost their last hour.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: What do you think was the worst thing that you did?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm talking about forget Jordan for a minute, looking
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: back on it, what do you feel? And I know you,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you're in the program or what. Yeah,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: it's sober, so obviously you know you've probably been through
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the steps and made amends and all of that. But
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: when you look back and what is the thing that
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you regret the most?
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: A guy that I became very very friendly with, truly friendly,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: And while I'm trading his account and killing him, he's
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: sending flowers to my mother at the home because she
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: had just gotten out of bypass surgery. And you yeah,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: for me apart because he came to New York City
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: a couple of times. I went to UH where he
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: lived a couple of times, and really just the sweetest,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: sweetest guy. And I gotta tell you, on the flip side,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: one of the best things I ever did was I
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: screwed one of these firms, one of the Stratton spinoff firms.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I screwed for one hundred grand and convinced him right.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: He lost well over a million dollars. I said, you're
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: gonna have to trust me, You're gonna have to send
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: me money, and I'm going to send you back an
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: extra hundred thousand. This was probably a year after everything
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: fell out, and because we had that relationship.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Still there's something about the fact that you can't take
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that accountability. I don't know if Jordan ever maybe people
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: see him, maybe he makes speeches about it, but whether
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: on YouTube who absolutely know him feel if you too
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: feel like he ever did take accountability or felt badly
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: about the people whose lives he destroyed.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I never saw it, never heard it.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: I would bet dollars to donuts. The only thing he's
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: sorry about is that he didn't take more money.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Ross. You said that you you were just the printer,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: so you were actually legit. Do you look back on
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: that time and have regrets?
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I still think that, and I've said it in
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: one of my I think I even said it in
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the podcast and the documentary that I regret making that
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: money as much as I earned it, and I worked
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: hard to get it, but it was blood money. It
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: really blood money. Looking back at it, it was blood money. Yeah, yeah,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: that much. You know. I enjoyed the lifestyle like I'm
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: never going to say that. I you know, living on
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Charudy yachts and then he buys the Nadine yacht and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: you know, doing all that and traveling was beyond I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: would have never had afforded to do that with my
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: regular printing business. Where I met him, right lived the
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: crazy lifestyle for sixteen.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: My father was he at one point a million years ago,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: had that kind of money and lived that kind of
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: life for probably in the eighties, right and lost it all.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: He was living high on the hog. And I don't know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's still to this day is and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: he's eighty four years old, but he lives his life
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: dreaming of that time or trying somehow do you miss
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: anything about it?
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I'm extremely grateful, As I tell my kids, I have
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: two of the greatest kids in the world. Nineteen twenty
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: three at least, I think.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: So.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I'll have to check my tattoo I have the birth
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: dates on it. I said, this isn't the path I
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: would have chosen. I didn't want to make zillions of
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: dollars the wrong way. And become homeless. I was homeless,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: really homeless, penniless. I walked into Social Services with Ferragamolofers
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: and Louis Vauton luggage, not to be an asshole, but
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: because that's the only thing I own. That this was
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: the life I had. And I was evicted sheriff's note
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: on the door. I had played out every card I
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: could because.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: No one left to turn to do you have no
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: relationships where you're you know, family friends.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: I burned everyone. I burned everyone. I was borrowing from
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Peter to pay Paul to keep the TV on. You know,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: And as I always tell my kids, this isn't It's
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: not like I was just a guy making fifty thousand
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: dollars a year that became a drug addict and lost
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: it all. I was at the high of highs you
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: only see in movies and the low of loves you
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: only see in movies. I was a bowery bump living
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: in Squalor. Wow. And completely turned my life around.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: And you feel satisfied now, like I do. Think of
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: my own father, I and again he's eighty four years old,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: but like I feel like he was always trying to
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: get back there. You and It sounds to me like
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: you are so well, gratitude is everything right, sounds like
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you're very great time.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: I'm wrong.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, you know, if you feel like,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: do you miss anything about that life?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: One thing? I you know, I reinvented myself.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: What do I do now?
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I was gifted for my dad to have what he
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: was golden hands. I built furniture. I put a full
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: workshop in my basement. My father was had could do anything.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: He too. You know, he was in a garment center.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: He ended up opening up ten fabric stores in a
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: warehouse with a partner. And his partner was a Jewish
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: guy that was like a little connected and stole from
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: my parents and everything went crumbling. So my parents who
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: never had anything same as your dad. Not that they
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: were millionaires, but they were up there. You know. I
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: got the Cadillac Essentral actitioning in nineteen seventy whatever it was.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: But he too, But he didn't miss what he had
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: because he really didn't expect that to happen. But I did.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: He reinvented himself. He always said, got these golden hands,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: and he started doing furniture and making a living. And
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I'm the same way, as long as I could afford
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: to take care of my two daughters, my wife and
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: live a decent life, which I've redone. I've you know,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I have a decent life of a beautiful home. I'm happy.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I don't to be a millionaire and have the yachts
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: to planes. You know, everybody would love that. But with
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: that comes bad, you know, it's it's not always glorified.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: It's bad that comes with all that stuff. I don't
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: need that, ded.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: I want to put it in perspective. You're talking about
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: someone who bought a Ferrari on a credit card. UH
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: had every car brand you could ever think of. I
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: crashed everyone eighteen car crashes. And these were not Hondas
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: and Toyotas. These were all high end sports cars that
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: life one hundred thousand dollars credit line at every casino,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: non to mankind a thirteen thousand dollars a month drug
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: habit just on kayludes.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I have to cut you off because I
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: can't forget to ask this question and then we're going
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: to get back to it. What the hell was so
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: great about Quaila? I do LODs is like a drug
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: that people did to just chill.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I'm going to give you the inside scoop on something
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: that no one has you ready, yay, I don't think
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: anyone in regards to this whole production note, but the
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: original Quaylude. Once this podcast is over, I invite you
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: to google. I have on the original Quaylude. It has
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: the number seven fourteen.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: And that said is correct.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: It's a what do you call it?
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: A quaylude? The original pill had on it the.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: That it's that that's the name of it was Horror
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: seven fourteen, and then there was Lemons seven fourteen, the
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Auroras with three hundred milligrams and the Lemons with five
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: hundred milligrams. So whatever it was worth, it's like when
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: you see a pill and it's got a number on
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: it's got a number. This one's happened to have seven fourteen.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And that's the heat of the release.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't put it together.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I literally went from that life to living in a
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: sober house with eleven other people. Government gave me forty
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: dollars a month, and I'm halfway. I'm halfway through a
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: book that'll be done sooner later.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I was hoping you were going to say that.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been working with a New York Times best
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: selling author. He's my ghostwriter. Cool and there was a
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: there's a chapter snapple or Razors, and I'm addicted to
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: diet peach snapple. And I used to think to myself
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: long and hard, do I want to get a fresh
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: razor today?
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Or snap?
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Well, you can't imagine you lived it.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: First of all, I'm a little worried ROSSI you have
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: a big bottle of play ludes. But we could talk
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: about that another time.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Had a big bottle. It's a small bottle that happened
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: to be back in the day. It was a sample.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: When you went, I thought.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: You were hauling the bottle up for me that.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: You got it. I was like, you know, ironically the
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: bottle that is in the movie that I've got Jordan,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: he got him one hundred pills to ten grand. My
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: friend Rob still has the bottle, the actual bottle I
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: have in my safe. Two of these was the original
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: play Lutes and the Lemon seven fourteen, which is that
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: was the So to answer your question, back in the
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I was printed for all the nightclubs and the promoters
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: right with a drug a choice. So like I know
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: and I don't.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: We don't talk it. We're talking too much about kueludes.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: But I was just curious, like what was the big deal?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: But they just chook you out.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: It got you into a place that you were, you
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: felt good. Coke got you into a place where once
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: you ran out of coke, you would delusional. You were depressed.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: The quailudes you partied, you had a great time, and
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you went home, went to sleep.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Got it? Okay? Okay? And I guess when you do
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that many of any drug, you're gonna get high.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: So would take three out of the gate. And trust me,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: if I took three out of the gate, I wouldn't
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: be having this conversation with you. So his talents was
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: up here?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Did anyone open us?
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Not that I know of, No, because you know it
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: wasn't like a fentanyl lace drug back then. Yeah, And
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I took the you know, I followed directions on the bottle.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: It said take one every five hours. I have what
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: they call pharmacy DYSLEXI I took five.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Everyone, Now exactly, do I feel like doing the documentary
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: has brought you peace and closure a little bit? I mean,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: you know it must be so weird and so full
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: circle now that this is out.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm involved for years, way more than how
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: we you know, obviously how we lived it. It's been
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: a part of my life for years. My present wife
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: has not stopped hearing about it for the last way
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: together twenty five years, and it's just been a part
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: of my life, especially when the book came out and
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: then the movie came out, and then all the things
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: in between, with people wanting my videos as a Nadine
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: and Netflix all that she's sick of tired hearing it.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I feel great that it's finally here, and
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I just hope it. It's not just that, you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: my PTSD is going to be relieved, it's I'm happy
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: and I want more importantly, And as I explained to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: other podcasters that the drug how he talks about the
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: drugs and still talks about him, how it was great
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: in this you have the new generation which is so
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: different than what we had back then, and it tugs
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: and he's promoting it. And my very close friends Victor
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: and Diane seven months ago was their thirty five year
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: old son twenty year addiction with a needle in his arm,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: fent and all.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: So did my friend Brady, and like lost her son
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: six years ago. He was nineteen.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: It's just the heroin or the cooke if you take
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: nan x or something like that.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: What I said, God was a percoset. I know a
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: whole different world.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: And you just hit on one of the major reasons
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: that I'd like the idea of the documentary. Not only
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: was it pitched to me that it was going to
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: be real, which were apparently and I haven't seen it.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I'll see episode one tonight. It was also my opportunity
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: to help people through whatever podcast like this or whatever
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: it goes from here to a book, people battling addiction,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: people battling obesity, and me winning that battle even if
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: I had to fight, even if I had to fight
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: it twice, and being able to help people again not
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: the path I would have chosen. But nonetheless, I'm the
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: guy that looks to my right in my car and
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: I see a woman or a man with a face
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: and oh, because they don't have the newest Mercedes. It's
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: last year's Mercedes, and I go, holy shit, I can't
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: believe New York State gave me a driver's license back.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: That's so important. I love that. I mean, I think
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: that that's like if you go through shit like this, right,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: and you go through the good, the bad, and the ugly,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: it sounds like there was the movie. It made it
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: sound like it was there was more fun than anything else.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Obviously that wasn't true. But the fact that you guys,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: all these years later are able to look back maybe
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: without regret because of the place that you're in now,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and to have that kind of perspective, I don't think
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: that's easy to come by. I think they're probably a
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: lot of guys I could be wrong, who are still
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: wishing that they were living that life. A lot of
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the guys that you worked with that still wish maybe
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: that they could go back.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: I chase speaking at rehabs like I used to chase his.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: I chased them down they're always looking for speakers, and said,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: here you go. Plus, I got a pretty interesting story
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I was involved with. And it feels good because you
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: know what, I get to leave. I'm not an inmate.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I get that I'm.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Not sitting on that uncomfortable fucking chair I sat on
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: for I don't know five in patients, four out patients,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: three in patients, and a partridge in a pantry. I mean,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: it's crazy.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Ross.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Did your kids see the movie?
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Uh? Yes they did. Actually, my older daughter is the
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: one that Jordan's holding when he's looted when we're in
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Manhattan at p. Seventeen, She's not thrilled with what's going
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: on today with you know that I'm finally doing this,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: but I have to do it for me. I mean
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: it's I've had so much anger we had. I don't
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: want to get into what Jordan and I had done
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: at the end, because he accused me and my ex
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: wife of breaking up book starting his divorce, which was
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the furthest thing from the tree him. He'd every point,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: thing is everybody else, everybody else, everybody else. But to
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: answer your use a big niss to answer your question.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Out of the six hundred brokers, and that's just one firm,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: there were numerous firms. Out of all these brokers, it's
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: only a handful like Howie, like Bronson that have reinvented
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: themselves and made a life for themselves. Because how do
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: we go from making whether it's hundreds of thousand dollars
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: or millions of dollars at a young age and now
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: get a job for twenty we're talking thirty five years ago.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: They brought the twenty thousand dollars and you got to work.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, humility. Right, So they're telling me that I have
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to wrap. Apparently you guys have lots of places to be.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: But I really loved having you. I could go on,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: but apparently do it again. It's a real pleasure you guys.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I really, I really really enjoyed the film. It was
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: It was such I liked it so much better than
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the movie. I like the documentary better.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Something said for the truth, Yes, something for the truth.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: All right, guys, take pleasure. Nice to meet you both.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Well, bye guys, Bye,