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Speaker 1: There's never been any proof that there was any kind
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Speaker 1: of satanic Satanic cult activity in a daycare center.
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Speaker 2: Today's episode is going to be extremely disturbing, and we
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Speaker 2: cover some of the darkest material we've covered here on
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Speaker 2: the show to date. So get ready for a story
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Speaker 2: of Satan mind control, ritualized cover ups, lies, government secrecy,
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Speaker 2: and even murder. This is a story that everybody, every
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Speaker 2: American needs to know about, and it's my passion to
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Speaker 2: expose these people. So without further ado, let's do a
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Speaker 2: deep dive into this. And I just want to state
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Speaker 2: it outright, I have no intention of If you know
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, you can also fact check everything that
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Speaker 2: I say in this video using the resources document in
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Speaker 2: the description. And also all parties are presumed innocent until
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Speaker 2: proven guilty in a court of law. What we're doing
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Speaker 2: here is reporting on already reported facts and telling you
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Speaker 2: the full story that the government, the US government doesn't
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Speaker 2: want you to hear. The Presidio Daycare scandal is one
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Speaker 2: of the darkest chapters in American history. It's a tale
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Speaker 2: of Satanic rituals, fires, murder, and cover ups, and it's
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Speaker 2: a story that almost nobody in America knows about. This
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Speaker 2: story is very dark and very disturbing, so viewer discretion
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Speaker 2: once again is advised. Before we get into the story
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Speaker 2: of that occurred at the Presidio, however, we need to
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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the Presidio complex itself. The
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Speaker 2: Presidio of San Francisco, originally known as El Presidio Real
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Speaker 2: de San Francisco, is a historical park located on the
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Speaker 2: northern tip of the San Francisco Peninsula. Established in seventeen
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Speaker 2: seventy six by New Spain as a fortified settlement, it
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Speaker 2: was created to secure Spanish interests in Alta, California and
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Speaker 2: the San Francisco Bay Area. After passing to Mexico in
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Speaker 2: eighteen twenty and then to the United States in eighteen
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Speaker 2: forty eight, the Presidio served as an active military post
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Speaker 2: for over two centuries before being transferred to the National
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Speaker 2: Park Service in nineteen ninety four as part of the
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Speaker 2: Golden Gate National Recordation Area. This marked the end of
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Speaker 2: its two hundred and nineteen years of military use and
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Speaker 2: the start of its transition into a public park with
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Speaker 2: both commercial and recreational facilities. In nineteen ninety six, the
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Speaker 2: US Congress established the Presidio Trust to manage the park's
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Speaker 2: interior land, while the coastal areas remained under the National
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Speaker 2: Park Services oversight. The Trust was tasked with making the
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Speaker 2: Presidio financially self sufficient by twenty thirteen, a goal it
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Speaker 2: achieved by two thousand and five, while ahead of schedule.
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Speaker 2: This unique management structure allowed the park to become a
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Speaker 2: financially sustainable entity while preserving its historical significance. Recognized as
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Speaker 2: a California Historical Landmark in nineteen thirty three and a
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Speaker 2: National Historic Landmark in nineteen sixty two, the Presidio is
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Speaker 2: noted for its natural beauty, with scenic views of the
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Speaker 2: Golden Gate Bridge, San Francisco Bay, and the Pacific Ocean.
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Speaker 2: Throughout its long military history, the Presidio played a significant
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Speaker 2: role in many US conflicts, particularly in the Pacific rim.
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Speaker 2: It was the assembly point for the American forces invading
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Speaker 2: the Philippines during the Spanish American War, and served as
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Speaker 2: headquarters for the Western Defense Command during World War II.
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Speaker 2: It was at the Presidio that Lieutenant General John L.
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Speaker 2: De Witt signed orders for the internment of Japanese Americans
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Speaker 2: in nineteen forty two, a decision made under Executive Order
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Speaker 2: nine zero sixty six. The presidio also contributed troops to
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Speaker 2: Operation Desert Storm in nineteen ninety one, marking one of
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Speaker 2: its final military engagements. It was home to the Letterman
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Speaker 2: Army Medical Center, which provided medical care to wounded soldiers
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Speaker 2: through many twentieth century conflicts, and that building, before it
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Speaker 2: was demolished, was said to be extremely haunted. Today, the
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Speaker 2: Presidio contains the San Francisco National Cemetery, one of only
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Speaker 2: two remaining cemeteries within the city. Among those interred are
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Speaker 2: prominent military figures like General Frederick Funston and General Irvin McDowell.
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Speaker 2: The park also includes a historical walking trail as part
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Speaker 2: of the Trails Forever initiative. This trail features interpretive signage
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Speaker 2: about the area's rich history, including its use as a
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Speaker 2: burial ground for merchant seamen. The Presidio has evolved from
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Speaker 2: a military stronghold to a cherished public space that honors
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Speaker 2: its historical legacy while offering creational and educational opportunities to visitors.
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Speaker 2: So back in the day, the Presidio was a powerful,
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Speaker 2: powerful place, a location that held significant strength through the
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Speaker 2: United States Army, a place that contained obviously many high
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Speaker 2: level secrets within secrets that slowly but surely are making
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Speaker 2: their way out from the shadowy, fortified walls of the
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Speaker 2: Presidio and into the library of public knowledge. For example,
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Speaker 2: one mysterious event in the Presidio's history was the death
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Speaker 2: of a nuclear scientist. You see. In nineteen fifty three,
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Speaker 2: the Presidio campus in San Francisco became the setting for
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Speaker 2: a chilling and mysterious event involving William Curtis Twitchell, a
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Speaker 2: brilliant chemist deeply involved in atomic research. Twitchell, born in
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Speaker 2: Minnesota in nineteen seventeen, had an impressive career, with degrees
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Speaker 2: from Roland's College in UC Berkeley. By twenty three, he
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Speaker 2: was a project engineer at UC's Radiation Lab, working alongside
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Speaker 2: future Manhattan Projects scientists like Glenn Seborg, Ernest Lawrence, and
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Speaker 2: Jay Robert Oppenheimer. During World War II, their focus shifted
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Speaker 2: to nuclear weapons development, a critical obt effort for the
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Speaker 2: US military, and eventually, as the Cold War began, William
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Speaker 2: Curtis Twitchell remained an advocate for atomic advancements, including a
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Speaker 2: proposed super cyclotron to reverse atomic bomb processes, but in
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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty two, Twitchell's promising life took a dark term
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Speaker 2: when he was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor. Recognizing
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Speaker 2: the potential risk posed by his declining health, the US
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Speaker 2: government moved him to a newly built secure ward at
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Speaker 2: the Letterman Army Hospital inside of the Presidio, fearing that
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Speaker 2: he might reveal sensitive nuclear secrets as he lost control
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Speaker 2: of his faculties. So essentially, this nuclear scientist was hidden
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Speaker 2: away in a private wing of a hospital specially constructed
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Speaker 2: for him because the government was afraid that if he
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Speaker 2: started getting older and losing his faculties like I said,
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Speaker 2: he'd spill top secret information. The Atomic Energy Commission spent
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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars or almost a million dollars today
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Speaker 2: to construct a special ward with restricted access, ensuring only
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Speaker 2: carefully screened medical professional, including one trusted nurse, attended to him.
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Speaker 2: But despite the intense secrecy surrounding his hospitalization, Twitchell's condition
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Speaker 2: became public upon his death on March twenty third, nineteen
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Speaker 2: fifty three, and as the news spread around America that
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Speaker 2: a nuclear scientist had been given his own top secret
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Speaker 2: hospital wing to die in at the presidio, the Atomic
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Speaker 2: Commission was forced to reveal to the public that similar
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Speaker 2: isolation wards were being used across the country to safeguard
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Speaker 2: nuclear secrets. There were multiple top secret hospital wards erected
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Speaker 2: for these dying nuclear scientists, wards which were costing the
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Speaker 2: American government millions of dollars. Although the existence of these
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Speaker 2: wards were confirmed by the Commission, the exact locations of
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Speaker 2: the others and the number of locations was never fully
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Speaker 2: revealed or discovered. Eventually, Twitchell's body was returned to Minnesota,
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Speaker 2: where he was buried. Although there are no specific ghost
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Speaker 2: stories about Twitchell at the Letterman Hospital, a local legend
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Speaker 2: tells of a mysterious figure boarding a mooney bus in
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Speaker 2: the presidio, only to vanish without a trace. Some have
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Speaker 2: speculated that this could be Twitchell returning from beyond the
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Speaker 2: grave in a final attempt to reach his Berkeley home.
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Speaker 2: As you can see, the presidio itself was no stranger
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Speaker 2: to covering up government secrets or engaging in hush hush
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Speaker 2: top secret affairs. But the presidio was going to be
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Speaker 2: thrust into the national spotlight in the late nineteen eighties
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Speaker 2: when the sordid affair of the Presidio daycare scandal began
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Speaker 2: two unfold. So I took the following reporting from Linda Goldstin,
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Speaker 2: a former reporter for the San Jose Mercury News in California.
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Speaker 2: A lot of this article that I'm reading from essentially
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Speaker 2: is Linda's writing. I've taken a ton of different words
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Speaker 2: and swapped stuff out, moved the structure around, and I've
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Speaker 2: added a ton of new information that's come out since
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Speaker 2: this whole thing was published. But Linda went incredibly in
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Speaker 2: depth with the Presidio story, and like I said, I'm
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Speaker 2: going to present her findings an article. I just absolutely
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Speaker 2: loved the way that Linda told the story and walk
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Speaker 2: people through it. Plus it's almost the same as how
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Speaker 2: anybody else would tell this story. But this is an
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Speaker 2: excellent summary of the Presidio case. I want to give
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Speaker 2: credit where credit is due. This is all information I
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Speaker 2: had come across in my own independent research before, so
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Speaker 2: I was able to corroborate it. And I'm sure that
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Speaker 2: by the end of this you're going to be convinced
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Speaker 2: that something sinister was happening on the Presidio campus in
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Speaker 2: the late nineteen eighties. So let's get into this extremely
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Speaker 2: dark and twisted story. Even before Joyce Tobin arrived at
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Speaker 2: the daycare center on November fourteenth, nineteen eighty six, she
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Speaker 2: suspected that something was wrong. Her neighbor Karen Thomas, had
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Speaker 2: just called her up to say that Joyce's three year
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Speaker 2: old son had begged to go home with her when
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Speaker 2: she picked up her own child at the Child Development
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Speaker 2: Center that morning. That's the name that they had for
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Speaker 2: the preschool and daycare center, the child Development Center. According
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Speaker 2: to her friend Karen, Joyce's son said he didn't want
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Speaker 2: to stay for daycare after his preschool class ended. When
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Speaker 2: Karen told the boy that she couldn't take him with her,
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Speaker 2: Joyce Tobin's son turned to his preschool teacher and asked
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Speaker 2: if he could stay with her, but she had no choice.
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Speaker 2: At the time that she received this news from her friend,
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Speaker 2: Joyce Tobin was at a dentist's office on the other
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Speaker 2: side of town and had arranged for her son to
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Speaker 2: be taken from his preschool class at the Childhood Development
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Speaker 2: Center to hourly care until she could pick him up.
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Speaker 2: Until the boys started preschool two months earlier, he had
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Speaker 2: been left at center once or twice a month for
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Speaker 2: a period of two years. This was actually only the
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Speaker 2: second time that Joyce's son had been left in hourly
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Speaker 2: care since September of that year, both times while his
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Speaker 2: mother had medical appointments that she couldn't bring him with
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Speaker 2: to the preschool like I said, otherwise known as the
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Speaker 2: Child Development Center and the hourly care programs were both
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Speaker 2: run by the United States Army at the Presidio of
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Speaker 2: San Francisco, And on that day that changed her life
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Speaker 2: forever and the lives of her family, Joyce Tobin arrived
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Speaker 2: at the Presidio daycare Center at two thirty pm to
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Speaker 2: finally pick up her son. When she entered the child
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Speaker 2: care center, Joyce's son appeared to be napping with several
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Speaker 2: other children, and the teacher, Gary Hambright, was sitting at
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Speaker 2: a table in the room, watching over the kids. When
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Speaker 2: Joyce asked how her son had been that day, Gary
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Speaker 2: said the boy had been upset and hadn't eaten his lunch.
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Speaker 2: He called the child a darling little boy and suggested
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Speaker 2: that Joyce bring him to the daycare center every other
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Speaker 2: day so that the boy could get used to him.
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Speaker 2: That's a quote. According to Gary Hambright. A lot of
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Speaker 2: three and four year olds had trouble coming to his
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Speaker 2: daycare room. He suggested that they were intimidated by the
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Speaker 2: older children in the class and that they simply had
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Speaker 2: to adjust to being separated from their parents. That night,
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Speaker 2: while watching television with his older brother, Joyce's three year
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Speaker 2: old son started playing with his pit, pulling it forward
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Speaker 2: with both hands up and letting it go. Mister Gary,
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Speaker 2: do it, he said, and kept at it. Upon hearing this,
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Speaker 2: the young boy's brother ran to fetch their mother, who
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Speaker 2: was talking to a neighbor in the front doorway trying
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Speaker 2: to keep her voice calm. Joyce approached her three year
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Speaker 2: old and asked him what he was talking about. The
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Speaker 2: child's reply was terse and grim. He touched my with
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Speaker 2: his hand and he bit my point, he told his mother.
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Speaker 2: The boy then made a chomping sound with his mouth.
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Speaker 2: Asked if mister Gary had done anything else. The boy said, quote,
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Speaker 2: he put a pencil in my home. In my boy,
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Speaker 2: he'd do that. He'd do that to me. He hurt me,
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Speaker 2: and I cry and cry end quote. Joyce Tobin, in
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Speaker 2: that moment, was unsure what to think. It seemed too
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Speaker 2: impossible and horrible to be true. She said later, I
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Speaker 2: also thought how awful it would be to accuse someone
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Speaker 2: of this if it were not true. But as she
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Speaker 2: watched her son that evening, he seemed different, anxious, upset.
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Speaker 2: In fact, she watched her young son bite his nails
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Speaker 2: and turn his head away from her. He seemed nervous
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Speaker 2: and disturbed. When Joyce's husband, Captain Mike Tobin, came home,
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Speaker 2: the couple decided to observe their son over the weekend.
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Speaker 2: They agreed they wouldn't question him, but they would indeed
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Speaker 2: wade and listen closely to see if he said anything more.
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Speaker 2: At bedtime, Joyce, who had been trained as a nurse,
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Speaker 2: examined her own son's immediately, she noticed that it seemed
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Speaker 2: a bit swollen and red. That night, the three year
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Speaker 2: old came to his parents' bedroom crying. He said he
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Speaker 2: was scared. He said he wanted to sleep with them.
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Speaker 2: During the next few days, what had seemed at first
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Speaker 2: too impossible and horrible to be true wouldn't go away,
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Speaker 2: and as both Joyce and Mike tuned in, they listened
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Speaker 2: in horror as their son continued to talk about mister
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Speaker 2: Gary hurting him. The following Tuesday, on November eighteenth, nineteen
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Speaker 2: eighty six, Joyce Tobin was driving through the presidio with
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Speaker 2: her son when they came to the intersection where she
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Speaker 2: would have turned to go to the daycare center. Her
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Speaker 2: three year old son raised himself up out of his
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Speaker 2: car seat as if he were attempting to get out,
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Speaker 2: and started to cry. Are you taking me to daycare?
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Speaker 2: He screamed, I don't want to go to daycare, mister
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Speaker 2: Gary hurt me in a cry. Seeing how distressed her
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Speaker 2: child had become at the concept of being dropped off
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Speaker 2: at the daycare, Joyce reassured him that they were not
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Speaker 2: going to go there, and he calmed down. However, even
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Speaker 2: though her son had settled down, Joyce couldn't that incident
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Speaker 2: was the final straw that broke the camel's back, and
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Speaker 2: seeing her son react like that, Joyce was convinced that
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Speaker 2: she should contact the daycare center, so on Wednesday, November nineteenth,
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Speaker 2: she called the director of the daycare center, a woman
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Speaker 2: named Diana curl and asked for an appointment to discuss
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Speaker 2: her son's allegations. But despite the seriousness of the complaint,
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Speaker 2: Diana Curle, the director, said she couldn't see Joyce until Friday,
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Speaker 2: two days later, which is shocking. Here you have a
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Speaker 2: mother calling the director of a daycare and alleging that
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Speaker 2: her son was ripped by one of the employees, and
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Speaker 2: it seems like she doesn't care. However, within a half
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Speaker 2: hour of the call, Joyce was called at home by
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Speaker 2: one of her son's preschool teachers, who wanted to know
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Speaker 2: what the problem was. Joyce was very confused in that moment.
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Speaker 2: You see, she hadn't told a single employee of the
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Speaker 2: daycare center about the allegations besides the center's director, Diana Curle,
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Speaker 2: on the phone call. In a bizarre twist, however, it
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Speaker 2: turns out that the entire daycare center staff had been
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Speaker 2: told immediately about Joyce's call and the allegations. Literally almost
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Speaker 2: immediately after Joyce had spoken with Diana, the director, Diana
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Speaker 2: had phoned up the staff of the center and informed
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Speaker 2: them that these allegations were being made. This was on Wednesday,
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Speaker 2: and bizarrely, authorities who were contacted did not search the
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Speaker 2: center until Friday. This would have given any predator employees
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Speaker 2: ample time to clear out any evidence that they held
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Speaker 2: within the walls of the daycare center. Joyce Tobin never
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Speaker 2: got the meeting that she had wanted with Diana Curle.
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Speaker 2: The case broke before then. On Thursday, November twentieth, Mike
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Speaker 2: Tobin spoke with a chaplain at the presidio and informed
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Speaker 2: the chaplain of his son's allegations, and the chaplain then
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Speaker 2: contacted the Army's Criminal Investigation Division. Officers from the CID
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Speaker 2: or Criminal Investigation Division then acted immediately and made an
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Speaker 2: appointment to interview and videotape the boy about his allegations.
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Speaker 2: And this is what really kicked this whole thing off.
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Speaker 2: On the morning of November twenty one, the Tobin son
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Speaker 2: was interviewed by officers from the Army's Criminal Investigation Division
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Speaker 2: in a videotaped session. He was then afterwards examined at
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Speaker 2: the Child Adolescents Referral Center or CASARC, at the San
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Speaker 2: Francisco General Hospital. CASARC reviews more than seven hundred cases
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Speaker 2: of suspected every single year. Among other things, the casar
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Speaker 2: C staff had often heard children describe RIP as having
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Speaker 2: a pencil put in their bottoms, just like the Tobin
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Speaker 2: son had described it. In fact, they had heard children
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Speaker 2: describe rap with this pencil analogy so many times that
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Speaker 2: it had practically become common knowledge as to what it
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Speaker 2: meant amongst the group members, and when doctor Kevin Colter
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Speaker 2: examined the Tobin son, he was a that the childs
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Speaker 2: dilated to approximately twenty millimeters in approximately five seconds, a
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Speaker 2: much faster and wider dilation than normal. Doctor Kevin Colter
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Speaker 2: had conducted more than three hundred examinations of children at
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Speaker 2: CAASARC throughout his time spent as a medical provider there.
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Speaker 2: He had seen children that had been before and had
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Speaker 2: analyzed every inch of their bodies to find confirming evidence
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Speaker 2: of these crimes. His conclusion that day was that such
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Speaker 2: rapid and wide dilation was caused by trauma. To the
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Speaker 2: consistent with it turned out that the child hadn't been lying.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kevin Colter then informed the parents that after their examination,
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Speaker 2: he had determined that their three year old son had
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Speaker 2: been a flurry of meetings at the presidio followed the
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Speaker 2: revelation that the Tobin boy had been secret meetings, many
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Speaker 2: undocumented and informal. But even with all this activity, these
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Speaker 2: meetings in boardrooms and in buildings across the campus, the
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Speaker 2: Army seemed to be in no hurry to proceed with
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Speaker 2: the cil case. In fact, it took the Army to
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Speaker 2: twelve days to form a strategy group and to really
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Speaker 2: begin investigating, and it took the Army almost an entire
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Speaker 2: month to notify the parents of other children who had
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Speaker 2: been in mister Garry's class that a student in their
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Speaker 2: classroom had allegedly been raised by the teacher and that
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Speaker 2: their own children might be at risk. Nearly a year
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Speaker 2: would pass before more than fifty nine other victims, children
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Speaker 2: between the ages of three and seven, had been identified,
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Speaker 2: and allegations would be made by parents that several more
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Speaker 2: children were even after the investigation had begun. Usually, when
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Speaker 2: allegations have been sets are made against the caregivers and
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Speaker 2: employees of a childhood daycare center, the center shuts down.
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Speaker 2: And keep in mind, this wasn't just an average daycare
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Speaker 2: center ran by private United States citizens. This was the
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Speaker 2: childhood Development Center and daycare at the Presidio under the
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Speaker 2: care of the United States Army, and this complicates things
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Speaker 2: even further. You see, daycare centers under state jurisdiction, like
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Speaker 2: the child Development Center, are routinely closed when an incident
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Speaker 2: is confirmed. If the Presidio center stayed open for more
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Speaker 2: than a year after the tobin Son said that mister
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Speaker 2: Gary had him A strategy meeting on December tenth set
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Speaker 2: the tone for the case. The meeting was attended by
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Speaker 2: all of the brass from the presidio, representatives of the
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Speaker 2: FBI and the US Attorney's Office, and staff from the
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Speaker 2: Child Adolescents Referral Center. The CISARC workers told the army
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Speaker 2: to expect multiple victims, so many victims that they couldn't
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Speaker 2: even offer their help. But the army didn't want to
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Speaker 2: believe that. That's a quote, says one CASARC worker who
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Speaker 2: attended the meeting. Five days later, on December fifteenth, letters
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Speaker 2: were mailed to two hundred and forty two parents whose
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Speaker 2: children were in Hambright's classes. The letter said, the commander
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Speaker 2: of the Presidio of San Francisco has been apprized of
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Speaker 2: a single incident of alleged child's supported to have occurred
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Speaker 2: at the Presidio Child Development Center. We have no reason
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Speaker 2: to believe that other children have been victimized. End quote.
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Speaker 2: Many parents who received that letter took the Army at
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Speaker 2: its word. Many of them didn't learn until the following April.
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Speaker 2: After the Tobins and in other other their parents forced
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Speaker 2: the Army to send out another letter informing parents that
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Speaker 2: their children may have been victims. Other parents found out
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Speaker 2: right away and had known for a while. That's because
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Speaker 2: the children had already begun to talk before these letters
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Speaker 2: were sent out, before this was a known issue. And
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Speaker 2: these kids kept talking. That was the problem. They kept
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Speaker 2: saying things that no one, especially not the Army, wanted
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Speaker 2: to hear. Other children, not the Tobin son, kept mentioning
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Speaker 2: people besides mister Gary, other locations besides the daycare center.
18:30
Speaker 2: Here are a few of the allegations the other children
18:32
Speaker 2: began to make. Some of the children said they were
18:34
Speaker 2: taken from the daycare center to private homes on the
18:37
Speaker 2: Presidio campus, where they were received by multiple people. Two
18:41
Speaker 2: houses were singled out on the Army post and at
18:43
Speaker 2: least one home off post in San Francisco. One girl
18:47
Speaker 2: said she played Pooh pooh baseball at the home of
18:49
Speaker 2: one of her female teachers. The young girl said the
18:52
Speaker 2: game involved throwing fresh feces at the teacher. Other children
18:56
Speaker 2: talked about playing the goo goo game with mister Gary
18:59
Speaker 2: that involved Gary Hambright allegedly having the children and on him,
19:04
Speaker 2: then he would do the same to them. Sometimes the
19:06
Speaker 2: children said they were forced to drink urine and eat feces.
19:10
Speaker 2: Some even said they had blood smeared on their bodies,
19:12
Speaker 2: and other children said they had guns pointed at them.
19:15
Speaker 2: Some of the victims even claimed they were told they
19:17
Speaker 2: or their parents would be hurt or killed if they
19:20
Speaker 2: told anybody what happened. One three year old boy said
19:23
Speaker 2: he was on his first visit to the daycare center
19:26
Speaker 2: that day also happened to be his birthday. A three
19:29
Speaker 2: year old girl said mister Gary used special pens black, blue, pink,
19:33
Speaker 2: and red to doodle on her body, starting at her
19:36
Speaker 2: legs and moving up over her jib. The same child
19:39
Speaker 2: said she saw one of her friends at the center
19:42
Speaker 2: cry when mister Gary's friend, a woman pointed a gun
19:45
Speaker 2: at the friend. There were also, and this is a
19:47
Speaker 2: big part of this, five confirmed cases of chlamydia, a
19:51
Speaker 2: sex transmitted disease found in the children. That's right. There
19:55
Speaker 2: were five children that were making accusations that were all
19:59
Speaker 2: diagnosed with chlamydia, including two of the four daughters of
20:03
Speaker 2: one family. And the Army has been very secretive about
20:06
Speaker 2: these tests. We still don't know the extent of the
20:09
Speaker 2: who tested positive for what, how many kids were even tested.
20:13
Speaker 2: People have tried to get that information and they just
20:15
Speaker 2: refused to release it. And a preliminary test for one
20:18
Speaker 2: boy for AIDS ended up coming back positive. For their
20:21
Speaker 2: tests though revealed that he didn't have the disease, but
20:25
Speaker 2: fear of AIDS tormented parents for months. Now, these allegations
20:28
Speaker 2: were already horrific. These kids were all independently reporting their
20:32
Speaker 2: to their parents, going into graphic detail, but for some people,
20:35
Speaker 2: allegations alone aren't enough. In my mind, and in the
20:38
Speaker 2: minds of many others, allegations made by children should always
20:42
Speaker 2: be taken seriously. But these weren't just allegations. A major
20:46
Speaker 2: discovery was about to be made. So as you can see,
20:48
Speaker 2: this whole affair was brewing into a fever pitch. Dozens
20:51
Speaker 2: of children were reporting graphic details of simplest torture and
20:56
Speaker 2: bizarre cult like behaviors. Children were being diagnosed with STDs,
21:00
Speaker 2: and doctors were confirming that it appeared they had indeed
21:04
Speaker 2: been a bit but the worst was yet to come.
21:06
Speaker 2: You see, despite these rumors and allegations, the Army, the FBI,
21:10
Speaker 2: and the US Attorney's Office were united in wanting one thing,
21:13
Speaker 2: A simple, single predator case, the Army, as always with
21:17
Speaker 2: these sorts of things, wanted the matter over with as
21:20
Speaker 2: quickly and quietly as possible, and the prosecutors involved wanted
21:23
Speaker 2: a case that they knew they would win all even
21:25
Speaker 2: go a step further and positive that the powers that
21:27
Speaker 2: be that were involved in this whole thing wanted a
21:30
Speaker 2: scapegoat for the affair, a singular person that they could
21:32
Speaker 2: pin all of this and all of these disgusting allegations
21:35
Speaker 2: off in the mind of the prosecution. The more unusual
21:38
Speaker 2: the allegations that they attempted to prosecute, the harder it
21:41
Speaker 2: would be to win in court. So a lot of
21:43
Speaker 2: these children's testimonies they didn't think were good enough to use.
21:47
Speaker 2: And in addition, if they were to entertain the allegations
21:50
Speaker 2: of fecal consumption and gunplay, then that would be a
21:53
Speaker 2: sort of admission that these sorts of things were actually possible,
21:56
Speaker 2: and that's something the government obviously doesn't want to admit to.
21:59
Speaker 2: So on Jajanuary fifth, nineteen eighty seven, Gary Willard Hambright,
22:03
Speaker 2: Mister Gary, was arrested. Gary Hambright, thirty five years old,
22:07
Speaker 2: was an ordained Southern Baptist minister without a pulpit. After
22:10
Speaker 2: Gary moved to the Bay area of San Francisco in
22:12
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven from his home in Tacoma, Washington. He
22:15
Speaker 2: worked as a substitute teacher in the San Francisco School
22:18
Speaker 2: District before taking the seven dollars fifty nine cent per
22:21
Speaker 2: hour job at the Child Development Center on the Presidio
22:24
Speaker 2: campus in nineteen eighty five. At his eventual arraignment, Gary
22:28
Speaker 2: described himself openly as an educator, not a criminal. His
22:32
Speaker 2: close friend Gordon Grover, a beauty salon owner, said that
22:34
Speaker 2: the thin, pale man with blonde hair Akay Gary, was
22:38
Speaker 2: quote probably one of the most gentle people you will
22:40
Speaker 2: ever know. End quote. He's always got time to give
22:43
Speaker 2: kids a hug when they're crying. Grover was quoted as
22:45
Speaker 2: saying at the time, He's just a really kind person.
22:48
Speaker 2: After he was arrested, Gary got out on bond and
22:50
Speaker 2: took part time jobs cleaning houses and washing windows in
22:54
Speaker 2: order to pay off his mounting legal bills. In day
22:56
Speaker 2: to day expenses. While facing the most terrific of charges,
22:59
Speaker 2: Gary stayed with his friends on couches and in spare bedrooms,
23:03
Speaker 2: and continued to be closely associated with the Dolores Street
23:06
Speaker 2: Baptist Church in San Francisco. The indictment that Assistant US
23:09
Speaker 2: Attorney Susan Gray had sought from the grand jury charged
23:13
Speaker 2: Gary Hambright with only one child. In the actual documents,
23:17
Speaker 2: he was accused of sun and committing a lewde and
23:21
Speaker 2: lascivious act on a child. In March, three months after
23:24
Speaker 2: Gary Hambright's arrest, all the aforementioned charges were dismissed at
23:28
Speaker 2: the time, and in the press. U. S. District Court
23:31
Speaker 2: Judge William Schwartzer, who was overseeing the case, stated that
23:34
Speaker 2: he refused to allow the admission of so called hearsay statements,
23:38
Speaker 2: specifically the comments that Tobin's three year old son made
23:41
Speaker 2: to his brother and mother and to the nurse and
23:43
Speaker 2: the doctor who examined him about the events. Several states
23:46
Speaker 2: allow exceptions of the hearsay rules and child cases, but
23:50
Speaker 2: federal courts and California state courts do not. Furthermore, U. S.
23:54
Speaker 2: District Court Judge William Schwartzer refused the hearsay evidence on
23:57
Speaker 2: March fourth and ruled that the Tobins son would not
24:00
Speaker 2: qualify as a competent witness because of his age. Essentially,
24:04
Speaker 2: this ruling at least in my mind, states that a
24:07
Speaker 2: child cannot be a witness to a crime against them.
24:10
Speaker 2: This is not only a major slap in the face
24:11
Speaker 2: to all victims of childhood, but a direct slap in
24:15
Speaker 2: the face of justice as well. On March twentieth, nineteen
24:18
Speaker 2: eighty seven, the US Attorney's Office asked that the charges
24:21
Speaker 2: against Gary Hambright be dismissed without prejudice, meaning that he
24:25
Speaker 2: could possibly be retried if new evidence ever emerged. Prosecutor
24:29
Speaker 2: Susan Gray at the time directly informed the judge that
24:32
Speaker 2: she was aware of at least twelve more children that
24:34
Speaker 2: were claiming very similar things had happened to them at
24:37
Speaker 2: the hands of mister Gary. She informed him that not
24:40
Speaker 2: only were these allegations similar, but they mentioned the same
24:43
Speaker 2: perpetrator that the Tobin son had mentioned, and mentioned similar
24:46
Speaker 2: patterns and methods of Prosecutor Susan Gray, as it turned out,
24:50
Speaker 2: had counted on the fact that the judge would allow
24:53
Speaker 2: the admission of statements that the Tobin son made to
24:55
Speaker 2: his brother on the day he first said mister Gary
24:57
Speaker 2: heard him, as well as the similar comments he made
25:00
Speaker 2: to the nurse and doctor who examined him, and to
25:02
Speaker 2: the agents that interviewed him afterwards. The medical evidence and
25:05
Speaker 2: the perfect witness parents had made her even more confident
25:08
Speaker 2: when she was building this case, and she felt pretty
25:10
Speaker 2: confident that she'd be able to get a conviction. That's
25:12
Speaker 2: because Joyce Tobin herself, the boy's mother, was a nurse,
25:16
Speaker 2: Mike Tobin was a West Point graduate and a nuclear engineer.
25:19
Speaker 2: They had no reason to lie or fabricate these things,
25:22
Speaker 2: and it also added more validity to the examination of
25:24
Speaker 2: the boys. But the Armies supposed independent and thorough investigation
25:29
Speaker 2: of the Tobin Son's allegations had gotten off to a
25:31
Speaker 2: shaky start when Army Criminal Investigative Special Agent Mark Remsen
25:36
Speaker 2: was assigned to interview the child. As it turned out,
25:38
Speaker 2: Special Agent Mark Remsen had never interviewed a child younger
25:41
Speaker 2: than eight years old, and while Army regulations required that
25:44
Speaker 2: the interview be taped, Remsen had never used a videotaping
25:47
Speaker 2: device while conducting an interview either. This seems like he
25:50
Speaker 2: was the first. It seems like this is this guy's
25:53
Speaker 2: first day of work. When you really think about it,
25:54
Speaker 2: I mean, he's completely inexperienced on every single facet that
25:57
Speaker 2: he should be experienced in The regulation was later changed,
26:00
Speaker 2: but the damage had already been done. The videotape in
26:03
Speaker 2: question was to be singled out repeatedly as an example
26:06
Speaker 2: of how the children had supposedly been coached and prodded
26:10
Speaker 2: to tell their stories. That was the narrative that was
26:12
Speaker 2: already being concocted, that these children were somehow coached to
26:16
Speaker 2: tell these fantastical, incredibly disturbing stories. For what reason exactly
26:20
Speaker 2: it was being alleged that these children were being coached.
26:23
Speaker 2: We still don't know. That's something that we always see too, that, oh,
26:26
Speaker 2: these allegations like this, these parents must have been putting
26:29
Speaker 2: these ideas in these children's heads, or these investigators must
26:32
Speaker 2: have been doing this. I understand that that I mean,
26:35
Speaker 2: has happened sometimes in the past, but I mean a
26:38
Speaker 2: case like this, when you've got all these different children
26:41
Speaker 2: with corroborating evidence, corroborating each other's stories, talking to their
26:44
Speaker 2: parents and their doctors and their therapists who are interviewing
26:47
Speaker 2: them giving the exact same details, and medical records confirming it,
26:51
Speaker 2: it just doesn't make sense. Joyce Tobin, the boy's mother,
26:53
Speaker 2: according to court records, said that during the interview, quote apparently,
26:57
Speaker 2: in an attempt to establish report with my on the
27:00
Speaker 2: CID investigator said that mister Gary was bad and should
27:03
Speaker 2: be spanked. He said this numerous times thereafter in the
27:07
Speaker 2: week that followed. When my son spoke about mister Gary,
27:10
Speaker 2: he described mister Gary as bad and said he should
27:12
Speaker 2: be spanked. Prior to the CID interview, my son had
27:15
Speaker 2: never said anything like that or attempted to make any
27:18
Speaker 2: value judgment about what had happened to him. He just
27:20
Speaker 2: reported what had happened to him. Joyce Tobin told the prosecution,
27:23
Speaker 2: and this was just the very beginning of the cover up.
27:26
Speaker 2: Now we can view this situation in different ways. Maybe
27:29
Speaker 2: in a skeptic's mind, the investigator really was just inexperienced
27:33
Speaker 2: and said the wrong things at the wrong time. It's
27:35
Speaker 2: indeed plausible, I'll give you that. However, when you consider
27:38
Speaker 2: every other piece of evidence in this case, this behavior
27:41
Speaker 2: seems to paint a bit of a darker picture. Was
27:44
Speaker 2: that investigator attempting to plant false evidence in the child's
27:47
Speaker 2: mind so that later on investigators and officials could take
27:50
Speaker 2: a look at the child's testimony and throw it out
27:53
Speaker 2: based simply on the fact that the kid was repeating
27:55
Speaker 2: lies that the investigator had planted in his own already
27:58
Speaker 2: traumatized mind. Tactic that's definitely been used before that I
28:02
Speaker 2: can guarantee you will continue to be used in the future.
28:05
Speaker 2: It's something that we've seen in cases like the Elms
28:07
Speaker 2: guesthouse case in England that we're going to be investigating
28:10
Speaker 2: here on the Channel soon, where false evidence was introduced
28:13
Speaker 2: into a case by the authorities in order to get
28:15
Speaker 2: the legitimate evidence questioned thrown out and delegitimized. So that's
28:19
Speaker 2: just food for thought. Let's get back to the story
28:22
Speaker 2: with the charges dismissed. At this point, Susan Gray's attempt
28:24
Speaker 2: at securing a simple single conviction had failed, and for
28:28
Speaker 2: a while the case went cold. No further developments emerged,
28:31
Speaker 2: and no authorities acted to try and find justice in
28:34
Speaker 2: this affair. The courts would not hear of the presidio
28:37
Speaker 2: again until the end of September nineteen eighty seven, nearly
28:40
Speaker 2: a year after the first allegations were made. Throughout that year,
28:43
Speaker 2: the Tobins were disappointed, but they weren't defeated. In that
28:46
Speaker 2: almost year's time, they had begun calling and writing congressmen
28:49
Speaker 2: attempting to make noise about the that they, in their
28:52
Speaker 2: heart of hearts, knew what happened to their son, calling
28:55
Speaker 2: and meeting with Army officials at the presidio itself. By
28:58
Speaker 2: April of nineteen eighty seven, battle that shaped up outside
29:01
Speaker 2: of the courtrooms, and this was a pretty disturbing development.
29:04
Speaker 2: Instead of actively trying to investigate the alleged that occurred
29:07
Speaker 2: on the presidio campus, the Army instead had begun insisting
29:11
Speaker 2: that their daycare center was safe, that all the victims
29:14
Speaker 2: had been identified, and that the issue was already solved.
29:16
Speaker 2: But parents who had children enrolled in the daycare end
29:19
Speaker 2: preschool feared otherwise because they knew that their own children
29:22
Speaker 2: had mentioned people other than Gary Hambright, people who still
29:26
Speaker 2: worked at the daycare center, as being involved in the event.
29:29
Speaker 2: At first, it was just the Tobyns alone who kept
29:32
Speaker 2: asking were proper procedures followed? Was everything necessary really done?
29:36
Speaker 2: Did you check on that? What about the other children?
29:38
Speaker 2: But by April of that year, the Tobins had been
29:41
Speaker 2: joined by other families whose kids claimed they were families
29:45
Speaker 2: like the Runyans, the Adams, Thompson's, the Dorseys, the Foxes.
29:49
Speaker 2: Most of these people had never met before, but they
29:51
Speaker 2: were to meet many times in the months to come.
29:54
Speaker 2: A massive scandal was brewing. The first priority of all
29:57
Speaker 2: these families was to get another letter mailed to the
29:59
Speaker 2: parents of us their children who had attended the daycare center,
30:02
Speaker 2: who they felt like the Army and US government had
30:04
Speaker 2: let down and endanger it. But the Army saw no
30:07
Speaker 2: need for that. Why are you doing this, Lieutenant Colonel
30:10
Speaker 2: Walter Meyer, the director of Personnel and Community Activities, asked
30:14
Speaker 2: Mike Tobin, because appearents need to know what's happening. Mike
30:17
Speaker 2: told him during a conversation that very letter that these
30:20
Speaker 2: concerned families played a part in getting sent out was
30:22
Speaker 2: delayed for two more weeks while Lieutenant Colonel Walter Meyer
30:26
Speaker 2: argued over whether the number of victims mentioned in the
30:29
Speaker 2: letter should be thirty two or thirty seven. Two weeks
30:32
Speaker 2: for an issue like that come on. Issues like this
30:35
Speaker 2: need to be acted upon immediately. When Joyce Tobin and
30:38
Speaker 2: fellow victim's mother, Brenda Fox, went to Lieutenant Colonel Walter
30:41
Speaker 2: Meyer's office to discuss the finishing and sending of the letter,
30:45
Speaker 2: Meyer told them that he didn't have time to talk.
30:47
Speaker 2: Fox recalls and She also claimed that he told the
30:50
Speaker 2: two mothers that he was on his way to make
30:52
Speaker 2: a videotape about the CDC about it being a model
30:56
Speaker 2: daycare center. So this powerful military guy didn't have time
30:59
Speaker 2: to tell to the family members of victims, and instead
31:02
Speaker 2: he was prioritizing heading to go film a video about
31:07
Speaker 2: how good and perfect and not scandalous the daycare is
31:11
Speaker 2: when at the exact same moment he actually had two
31:14
Speaker 2: mothers trying to talk to him whose children were there.
31:17
Speaker 2: Doesn't really make sense, but according to Brenda Fox, Lieutenant
31:21
Speaker 2: Colonel Walter Meyer during that interaction said, despite what you
31:24
Speaker 2: may believe, this is a model daycare center. She later said,
31:28
Speaker 2: I sat there thinking this man has no soul. We
31:31
Speaker 2: told him the numbers were wrong. He said, no, they're not.
31:35
Speaker 2: We waited while he called and found out the numbers
31:37
Speaker 2: were wrong. Under the signatures of Joyce and Mike Tobin,
31:40
Speaker 2: Gretchen and Dennis Runyan, Sue and Tom Dorsey, Michelle and
31:43
Speaker 2: Larry Adams Thompson, and Brenda and Don Fox, this letter,
31:47
Speaker 2: dated April twenty ninth, nineteen eighty seven, was mailed to parents.
31:50
Speaker 2: We feel you should know that there are now thirty
31:52
Speaker 2: seven children identified by the authorities as suspected victims. The
31:56
Speaker 2: letter said, in part, we are very concerned that there
31:58
Speaker 2: may be more children effected and in need of help,
32:01
Speaker 2: yet remain unidentified. These parents and families of suspected victims
32:05
Speaker 2: came from all walks of life and all sorts of
32:07
Speaker 2: different backgrounds. The core group of parents at the center
32:09
Speaker 2: of the affair consisted of professionals doctors, a dentist, a
32:13
Speaker 2: nuclear scientist. They spoke out loud and often, and raised
32:16
Speaker 2: their voices when they needed to. Whenever speaking to the media,
32:19
Speaker 2: the parents claimed they spoke for those who could not,
32:22
Speaker 2: the children and the enlisted people, who they said were
32:25
Speaker 2: too afraid to risk their military career to speak out
32:27
Speaker 2: about what really happened on the Presidio campus. To them,
32:30
Speaker 2: the only explanation for the silence from all the enlisted
32:33
Speaker 2: people was the fact that they needed their jobs and
32:36
Speaker 2: that many families, parents and employees needed that daycare. However,
32:40
Speaker 2: the core group could afford daycare elsewhere. When it first started,
32:43
Speaker 2: they had the chance to be heroes. Melanie Thompson, a
32:46
Speaker 2: parent of one of the victims, once said about the army. Instead,
32:50
Speaker 2: they just didn't want to believe it now, they're just
32:51
Speaker 2: trying to cover it up like a bad dream. But
32:53
Speaker 2: as time wore on and more dark truths came to light,
32:56
Speaker 2: this story just kept diving down and down, further and
32:59
Speaker 2: further toward ward. Hell, now here's something fun. None of
33:02
Speaker 2: the parents who were protesting the Army's handling of the
33:05
Speaker 2: case knew that the signs of trouble had begun to
33:07
Speaker 2: surface at the child development center at least six years earlier,
33:11
Speaker 2: and none of these parents knew that the Army had
33:13
Speaker 2: been dealing with problems at its daycare centers for years
33:17
Speaker 2: before the Presidio case broke. When the first allegations broke
33:20
Speaker 2: and concerns arose, the Army said nothing about the prior
33:24
Speaker 2: cases of documented at West Point and Fort Dix. The
33:28
Speaker 2: Army said nothing of an investigation six years prior involving
33:31
Speaker 2: John Gunnerson, the Presidio's top daycare official and the supervisor
33:35
Speaker 2: of the daycare center during the time that Gary Hambright
33:38
Speaker 2: allegedly met the children. Let's go back in time for
33:41
Speaker 2: a second. In nineteen eighty, two years before the first
33:43
Speaker 2: allegations were brought forward with the children of the presidio,
33:46
Speaker 2: a man named John Gunnerson was employed in a somewhat
33:49
Speaker 2: powerful position at the presidio. His official job title was
33:52
Speaker 2: Child Support Services Coordinator at the Childhood Development Center, responsible
33:56
Speaker 2: for the training of the center's staff, and he was,
33:58
Speaker 2: according to many, a caring, normal man. However, when he
34:02
Speaker 2: was arrested on charges of assaulting an employee of the center,
34:05
Speaker 2: Pearl Broadnacs, the opinions of John Gunnerson on the base
34:08
Speaker 2: suddenly shifted. Pearl Broadnaks herself had been complaining about conditions
34:12
Speaker 2: at the center and the allegedly deplorable treatment of the
34:15
Speaker 2: children that she witnessed while working there. She claimed that
34:18
Speaker 2: she was branded a troublemaker and was often brought in,
34:20
Speaker 2: questioned and grilled by her supervisors about her allegedly unsatisfactory
34:24
Speaker 2: job performance. But this whole thing took a dark turn
34:27
Speaker 2: on February third, nineteen eighty two, when Pearl and Gunnerson
34:30
Speaker 2: argued over the use of scissors by the children. According
34:33
Speaker 2: to Pearl, John asked her to go into another room
34:35
Speaker 2: to continue the discussion, but Pearl said she wanted to
34:38
Speaker 2: remain in the playroom at this time. According to an
34:41
Speaker 2: investigative report of the incident, Gunnerson grabbed Broadnacs by the
34:44
Speaker 2: left arm above her waist and pulled her towards him.
34:47
Speaker 2: She then told Gunnerson, don't touch me, to which she replied,
34:51
Speaker 2: I'm not touching you. She felt that she was in
34:53
Speaker 2: fear of bodily harm at this point in the incident,
34:55
Speaker 2: and when officially questioned, John Gunnerson declined to be interviewed
34:59
Speaker 2: about the incident. Responded to questions through presidio spokesman Bob Mahoney.
35:03
Speaker 2: I did not grab Missus Brodnacks. I did not assault her,
35:06
Speaker 2: and I had no attention of harming her, he related
35:09
Speaker 2: to Mahoney. In the course of our conversation, Missus Brodnax
35:12
Speaker 2: became agitated and appeared to be losing control of herself.
35:15
Speaker 2: I attempted to calm her by lightly touching her arm
35:18
Speaker 2: to guide her out from the room where we were talking.
35:20
Speaker 2: At least that's what John Gunnerson claimed happen. Unsurprisingly, the
35:24
Speaker 2: charge against John Gunnerson was eventually dismissed for lack of evidence.
35:28
Speaker 2: The incident could possibly be dismissed as an unfortunate misunderstanding,
35:32
Speaker 2: except that the ensuing investigation at the time led to
35:36
Speaker 2: more allegations of physical and of children at the same center.
35:41
Speaker 2: According to former military police investigator Ed Albanowski, who was
35:45
Speaker 2: then the chief of juvenile investigations at the Presidio, it
35:48
Speaker 2: seemed like a can of worms had suddenly been opened.
35:51
Speaker 2: Eventually graduating from the Presidio to the title of Deputy
35:54
Speaker 2: sheriff in Santa Clara County, ed Albanowski called the original
35:58
Speaker 2: author of this article, Linda Garlon after he read one
36:01
Speaker 2: of her stories about the presidio case. When I read
36:03
Speaker 2: the paper, I almost fell out of my chair, he said,
36:06
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe Gunnerson was still working there. While interviewing
36:09
Speaker 2: Pearl at the daycare center after she had called military
36:12
Speaker 2: police officers about Gunnerson, Ed learned that Pearl was concerned
36:16
Speaker 2: about more than just the alleged threat of harm to herself.
36:19
Speaker 2: She also alleged that employees had children improperly. Pearl had
36:23
Speaker 2: provoked an investigation of the center a year earlier after
36:26
Speaker 2: talking to parents who said they felt their children were
36:29
Speaker 2: discriminated against because they were minorities. Pearl also said in
36:33
Speaker 2: a documented accusation that she had seen the then director
36:36
Speaker 2: of the center hit a child in the mouth, an
36:38
Speaker 2: injury which caused him to bleed. In a telephone interview
36:41
Speaker 2: from her home in Alabama, Pearl told Linda, the author
36:44
Speaker 2: of the original article, that she had complained many times
36:47
Speaker 2: about the problems at the center during the four years
36:50
Speaker 2: she worked there, but quote just gave up. Nobody seemed
36:53
Speaker 2: to be concerned. I ended up having a nervous breakdown
36:56
Speaker 2: over that end. Quote. She was quoted as saying, right
36:59
Speaker 2: before I left, I saw a woman beat a kid
37:01
Speaker 2: until he just threw up. She said. I did all
37:03
Speaker 2: I could to get something done about that. They removed her,
37:06
Speaker 2: but she was back working there after I left. After
37:08
Speaker 2: Pearl made her thoughts and initial observations and allegations known,
37:12
Speaker 2: Captain Robert J. Meyer was appointed to look into the
37:14
Speaker 2: allegations for the commander of the presidio. And once again
37:17
Speaker 2: we'll see a similar pattern here of ignoring issues, allowing
37:21
Speaker 2: problems to fester, and covering up horrific misdeeds. You see
37:24
Speaker 2: in a letter summarizing his findings, Captain Robert J. Myers said,
37:29
Speaker 2: at least three of the childcare center's staff have been
37:31
Speaker 2: threatened with the loss of their jobs if they speak
37:33
Speaker 2: out and tell the truth about how the childcare center
37:36
Speaker 2: is being managed and how the minority children are treated.
37:39
Speaker 2: After this letter was finished and published, a hearing was
37:41
Speaker 2: held at the presidio about these allegations. In the year
37:44
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, the director in question was placed on
37:47
Speaker 2: leave for a brief moment before being reinstated, and it
37:50
Speaker 2: seemed as if life went right back to normal. All
37:52
Speaker 2: of those allegations were forgotten about, uninvestigated. The physical the
37:57
Speaker 2: children getting smacked the other adult and teachers playing with
38:01
Speaker 2: children's It's almost like that stuff never happened. And so
38:05
Speaker 2: the next year, when ed Albinovski reported the allegations that
38:09
Speaker 2: he had heard two presidio officials, he was told quote
38:13
Speaker 2: to stop any investigation. I was told there was nothing
38:15
Speaker 2: to look into, that Gunnerson would be dealt with through
38:18
Speaker 2: his command channels end quote. Military Police Investigators Report Number
38:22
Speaker 2: zero zero one nine three eighty two MP one H
38:24
Speaker 2: two six eighty two zero four seven, dated February fourth,
38:28
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two, was filed on the incident. Ed Albinovski,
38:32
Speaker 2: after all these years, still holds onto a copy of
38:34
Speaker 2: that report. He sensed back then that it might be
38:37
Speaker 2: important someday, and thank god he did that, because the
38:40
Speaker 2: Army didn't take this whole thing quite as seriously. This
38:42
Speaker 2: particular case was not known to any of us in
38:45
Speaker 2: the chain of command, Presidio Commander Joseph V. Rafferty said,
38:48
Speaker 2: when questioned about those older allegations, mister Gunnerson had one
38:52
Speaker 2: of the finest reputations in the Army with respect to
38:54
Speaker 2: running a childcare center. Bizarre, very bizarre to defend a
38:58
Speaker 2: guy accused of physical assault against an employee and an
39:03
Speaker 2: assault against children. But a year after he was arrested,
39:06
Speaker 2: John Gunnerson was cited in an inspection report by officials
39:10
Speaker 2: from the US Army Forces Command for doing an excellent
39:14
Speaker 2: job as the child Support Services coordinator. The staff training
39:17
Speaker 2: program he developed utilizing the Military Childcare modules is model
39:21
Speaker 2: for the Army. This glowing praise was showered onto John
39:24
Speaker 2: Gunnerson just a little over a year after he was
39:27
Speaker 2: accused of physically abusing an employee, physically a children and
39:31
Speaker 2: either taking pardon or at minimum turning a blind eye
39:34
Speaker 2: to the se of children there. But even though the
39:37
Speaker 2: Army wasn't listening to them or paying attention, these allegations
39:40
Speaker 2: of events of the daycare center would continue to surface,
39:43
Speaker 2: and a somewhat notorious incident. Former Army Captain Gary Boswell
39:47
Speaker 2: approached John Gunnerson in April nineteen eighty five after picking
39:51
Speaker 2: up his daughter at the daycare center. She had a
39:53
Speaker 2: red spot on her hand where she had been burned.
39:55
Speaker 2: She said, the teacher burned me. This girl was taking
39:58
Speaker 2: the kids and taking a magnifying glass and holding their
40:00
Speaker 2: hands until they jerked their hand away and cried. Said Boswell.
40:04
Speaker 2: I went to see Gunnerson and wasn't terribly pleased. He
40:06
Speaker 2: said he'd look into it. We came back the next
40:09
Speaker 2: day and he said he had talked to the person
40:11
Speaker 2: that there were no eye witnesses, and it's your daughter's
40:13
Speaker 2: word against hers, so we can't do anything. We took
40:16
Speaker 2: our daughter out of the daycare center a short time later. So,
40:19
Speaker 2: according to another independent witness, this female teacher was taking
40:23
Speaker 2: children's hands, putting them under a magnifying glass and burning them.
40:27
Speaker 2: And then when presented with the child and the injury
40:30
Speaker 2: and the allegation, so the director of the center takes
40:32
Speaker 2: no action against the employee and just says we don't
40:35
Speaker 2: believe the girl. Weird. Then a year or so later,
40:38
Speaker 2: a mother named Sue Dorsey contacted John Gunnerson in June
40:42
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty six to complain about a incident she
40:46
Speaker 2: says she witnessed with her own two eyes at the center.
40:49
Speaker 2: Sue Dorsey, the wife of Army Captain Tom Dorsey, a physician,
40:53
Speaker 2: said she had just dropped her daughter off at the
40:55
Speaker 2: daycare center and was walking out of the building when
40:57
Speaker 2: she noticed quote a woman on her hands and knees
41:00
Speaker 2: bent over, putting her hands in a little girl's. The
41:03
Speaker 2: woman took her hands out from the little girl's and
41:05
Speaker 2: put them under the little girls and tickled her on
41:08
Speaker 2: both and then went back down into the area and
41:12
Speaker 2: tickled her there end quote. Now, obviously, this is something
41:15
Speaker 2: really disturbing to see with your own two eyes, and
41:18
Speaker 2: Sue knew that whatever the hell she just saw, that
41:21
Speaker 2: it was not right. But after relating the incident to
41:24
Speaker 2: the assistant director of the center, Sue said she was
41:27
Speaker 2: told a similar story, a similar story to the other
41:30
Speaker 2: similar stories that other concerned parents and employees were told
41:33
Speaker 2: over the years. Sue was told that the grown adult
41:36
Speaker 2: woman that she had seen the little girl in her
41:39
Speaker 2: was just playing innocent tickling games. But Sue Dorsey wasn't
41:42
Speaker 2: satisfied with this response, So she then went to John Gunnerson, who,
41:46
Speaker 2: she says, replied, so, what you're telling me is that
41:49
Speaker 2: she tickled the little girl on her parts. After this conversation,
41:52
Speaker 2: according to Sue, she then returned home and called Gunnarson
41:55
Speaker 2: later in the day. He said, I'm gonna write something
41:58
Speaker 2: up in her personnel file, but once again Sue felt
42:01
Speaker 2: that this wasn't enough action. Finally, after further calls to
42:04
Speaker 2: the captain who supervised the civilian employees at the center,
42:08
Speaker 2: Sue got some good news. She was told that the
42:10
Speaker 2: Army's Criminal Investigation Division or CID, would investigate the case,
42:15
Speaker 2: but Colonel Rafferty would later comment on the investigation, saying
42:18
Speaker 2: that it proved that it could not be substantiated that
42:21
Speaker 2: any had occurred. From my understanding of the actual time involved.
42:25
Speaker 2: There was a question of just exactly what was clearly
42:28
Speaker 2: a tickling type of incident that could be interpreted in
42:30
Speaker 2: a couple of different ways. I suspect the investigators took
42:33
Speaker 2: the caregivers interpretation of what it was. After all that effort,
42:37
Speaker 2: after trying to raise the alarm that was occurring at
42:40
Speaker 2: the presidio for months, Sue Dorsey had gotten nowhere She
42:44
Speaker 2: was told time and time again that this would be
42:46
Speaker 2: all looked into, that some sort of action would be taken,
42:50
Speaker 2: but nothing ever happened. Time and time again these investigations
42:53
Speaker 2: and investigators claimed, yeah, we looked at it, but we're
42:57
Speaker 2: just going to believe the perpetrator, screw the victim. We
43:00
Speaker 2: don't care about what they're saying. Sue Dorsey was defeated,
43:03
Speaker 2: and a year later, Sue Dorsey learned that her own
43:06
Speaker 2: daughter had been a well at the Presidio child care center.
43:11
Speaker 2: Sue Dorsey and the other parents would also learn that
43:13
Speaker 2: there had been cases involving daycare centers at several other
43:17
Speaker 2: army bases across the US, cases of that were hidden
43:20
Speaker 2: from the mainstream media and in a way covered up.
43:23
Speaker 2: One of the most serious cases of child occurred at
43:26
Speaker 2: West Point, that is, until the Presidio. In July nineteen
43:29
Speaker 2: eighty four, a three year old girl was brought to
43:31
Speaker 2: the emergency room at the West Point Hospital with the
43:34
Speaker 2: lacerated The child at the time told the doctor who
43:37
Speaker 2: examined her that a teacher at the West Point daycare
43:40
Speaker 2: center was the one who hurt her. That a teacher
43:42
Speaker 2: was the one who had damaged her area. In August
43:45
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty four, at West Point, another parent came forward.
43:48
Speaker 2: By the end of the year, fifty children had been
43:50
Speaker 2: interviewed by investigators. Starting to sound familiar, well, the similarities
43:55
Speaker 2: do not end there. The children at West Point, years
43:58
Speaker 2: prior to the emergence of the stories of the children
44:00
Speaker 2: at the Presidio, told stories that would in time become
44:04
Speaker 2: horrifyingly familiar. The children said that they had been richly
44:08
Speaker 2: They said that they had excrements smeared on their bodies
44:11
Speaker 2: and had been forced to eat feces and drink urine.
44:14
Speaker 2: They also said they were taken away from the daycare
44:17
Speaker 2: center and photographed, photographed while they were being and these
44:21
Speaker 2: children also said that they were told if they ever
44:24
Speaker 2: told anyone anything about what was happening to them, either
44:27
Speaker 2: they or their families would be killed. Sounds exactly like
44:30
Speaker 2: the allegations from the presidio. Some parents of the time
44:34
Speaker 2: alleged that they believed the army had tried its best
44:36
Speaker 2: to cover up these cases. The whole underlying theme was
44:39
Speaker 2: that the image of West Point was more important than
44:42
Speaker 2: dealing with the reality of what happened, said doctor Walter Grote,
44:45
Speaker 2: whose two year old daughter was among the children allegedly
44:48
Speaker 2: at the center.
44:49
Speaker 3: This is doctor Walter Grote would just answer, whose daughter
44:52
Speaker 3: was allegedly at West Point the United States Military Academy.
44:55
Speaker 3: You were a captain in the United States Army. Aside
44:58
Speaker 3: from what allegedly happened to your order, which I know
45:00
Speaker 3: you allege as part of a Satanic cult and having
45:03
Speaker 3: nothing to do with this man, I state again for
45:05
Speaker 3: the record, what is your feelings, sir, on the fact
45:08
Speaker 3: that a serving officer in the United States Army is
45:09
Speaker 3: also a professed Satanist, a high ranking person.
45:13
Speaker 4: Well, I think in this election year, we've heard a
45:15
Speaker 4: lot about values for aldo, We've heard a lot that
45:18
Speaker 4: our little children should be saying the pledge of allegiance
45:21
Speaker 4: to the flag. Mister Aquino has identified himself as an Antichrist.
45:25
Speaker 4: He preaches that as leader of the Temple set. I
45:27
Speaker 4: don't think on misquoting him. I find it inconceivable that
45:30
Speaker 4: we can have candidates talking about one nation under God
45:33
Speaker 4: and having our children say that. Yet, by the same token,
45:36
Speaker 4: we can have somebody in our army as a colonel,
45:39
Speaker 4: leading our troops in battle who are opposed to the
45:42
Speaker 4: very concept of God, in whose whole purpose it is
45:44
Speaker 4: is to fight against God.
45:45
Speaker 2: At the time that the article about this was written,
45:48
Speaker 2: doctor Walter Grot had moved on and moved to a
45:50
Speaker 2: different state where he had a private medical practice in
45:53
Speaker 2: New Jersey. A former Army captain, Doctor Walter Groat actually
45:57
Speaker 2: turned down a promotion to major in nineteen eighty five
46:00
Speaker 2: four to protest the Army's handling of the daycare case
46:03
Speaker 2: at West Point. He was, once again, just like the
46:05
Speaker 2: other parents, well aware that the problem at the Point
46:08
Speaker 2: had started long before. In August of nineteen eighty three,
46:11
Speaker 2: nearly a year before the case broke out at West Point,
46:14
Speaker 2: a twenty two month old child had been murdered by
46:17
Speaker 2: the mother's boyfriend, an Army staff sergeant. After a court
46:20
Speaker 2: martial hearing, the sergeant was given an eighteen month suspended
46:24
Speaker 2: sentence and dishonorable discharge. Yes, you heard that correctly. A
46:28
Speaker 2: man had murdered his girlfriend's twenty two month old child
46:32
Speaker 2: and was given no prison time. Colonel Richard C. Eckert,
46:35
Speaker 2: a doctor that was then in charge of West Point's
46:37
Speaker 2: child protection case management team, was outraged at the leniency
46:41
Speaker 2: of the sentence. I mean, seriously, who in that right
46:43
Speaker 2: mind wouldn't be. In an August first, nineteen eighty three
46:46
Speaker 2: letter to Lieutenant General Willard Scott Junior, the then superintendent
46:50
Speaker 2: of West Point, Colonel Richard Eckert, wrote, the community has
46:53
Speaker 2: received a devastating message. West Point and the Army take
46:56
Speaker 2: child lightly and do not consider it a major offense.
47:00
Speaker 2: Yes those words are in writing, and yes those words
47:03
Speaker 2: rang true. The guy that murdered the twenty two month
47:05
Speaker 2: old baby was let off scott free, said doctor Pat Jones,
47:09
Speaker 2: a former pediatrician at West Point who moved away from
47:11
Speaker 2: the area and eventually opened up a private practice in Texas.
47:15
Speaker 2: They just kicked him out of the Army to prevent
47:16
Speaker 2: any publicity. Doctor Pat Jones, who believes his fifteen month
47:20
Speaker 2: old daughter was at the center at West Point, was
47:23
Speaker 2: so outraged that he resigned from the Army. I tried
47:26
Speaker 2: to resign from the alumni association. I feel ashamed for
47:28
Speaker 2: even being from that place, he was quoted as saying.
47:31
Speaker 2: But once again, at the end of the day, no
47:33
Speaker 2: indictments were returned in the West Point cases. Not a
47:36
Speaker 2: single adult was held liable for this of dozens of children,
47:40
Speaker 2: and nothing came out of it, even though everyone involved
47:42
Speaker 2: mainly the victims' families knew that all this was true
47:45
Speaker 2: and very real. No justice was served. Fort Dix was next.
47:49
Speaker 2: In July of nineteen eighty six, two female employees were
47:52
Speaker 2: accused of simply before three year old girls on the
47:55
Speaker 2: Fort Dicks campus. But once again we see a similar
47:58
Speaker 2: pattern and start to hear a similar sty No indictments
48:01
Speaker 2: were returned in the case, and the women returned to
48:04
Speaker 2: work at the same daycare center. I don't know why
48:06
Speaker 2: they just keep letting these predators keep returning to work,
48:09
Speaker 2: but they did. Then it was Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, and
48:12
Speaker 2: after that Fort Jackson, South Carolina. By November nineteen eighty seven,
48:15
Speaker 2: the Army had received allegations of child at fifteen of
48:19
Speaker 2: its daycare centers and several elementary schools. This seemed to
48:22
Speaker 2: be an epidemic. There were also at least two cases
48:25
Speaker 2: of reported child in Air Force daycare centers as well,
48:29
Speaker 2: and that a daycare center run by the Navy in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
48:33
Speaker 2: In that case, a civilian was sentenced to three years
48:35
Speaker 2: in prison for the children. This was one of the
48:38
Speaker 2: only cases where the allegations were investigated seriously, and the
48:42
Speaker 2: affair ended with a conviction. So seeing all of these
48:45
Speaker 2: problems arising, the Department of Defense decided in April of
48:48
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven, in the middle of the Presidio scandal,
48:51
Speaker 2: to form special strike teams to investigate cases in the military.
48:56
Speaker 2: The goal of the teams is to not let things
48:58
Speaker 2: get any worse, said Bob Stein, director of the Military
49:01
Speaker 2: Family Resource Center at the Department of Defense at the
49:04
Speaker 2: time that the original article was written. We need to
49:06
Speaker 2: be better prepared to deal with the magnitude of the problem.
49:08
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody was prepared at the Presidio or
49:11
Speaker 2: West Point, he claimed. But despite the military's official stance
49:14
Speaker 2: of preparedness, a new horror surfaced in June nineteen eighty eight,
49:18
Speaker 2: when a special team of experts was sent to Panama
49:21
Speaker 2: to help determine if as many as ten children at
49:23
Speaker 2: a Department of Defense elementary school had been and possibly
49:27
Speaker 2: infected with AIDS by a teacher who was at the
49:29
Speaker 2: time dying of the disease. Interestingly enough, right now in
49:33
Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty four, when I attempted to research
49:36
Speaker 2: that case of the Department of Defense elementary school in Panama,
49:40
Speaker 2: I couldn't find any information online relating to the affair.
49:43
Speaker 2: I don't even know what ended up happening or if
49:45
Speaker 2: there ever was any conclusion to this story or these claims.
49:48
Speaker 2: But after hearing all that, you can see that these
49:51
Speaker 2: things were happening all across America, tied in directly to
49:54
Speaker 2: the Army or Navy, and nothing was being done about it.
49:58
Speaker 2: They were very similar in these claims were all ignored
50:01
Speaker 2: and shut down. But let's get back to the presidio.
50:04
Speaker 2: Although the allegations of ritual made by children at West
50:07
Speaker 2: Point and at the Presidio were similar, we may never
50:09
Speaker 2: totally resolve whether there is any kind of external organization
50:12
Speaker 2: of a or if just a single path was involved
50:15
Speaker 2: in those cases, said Colonel Jim Schlee, deputy director of
50:18
Speaker 2: the Military Family Resource Center. But some of the allegations
50:21
Speaker 2: made by children at the Presidio that they were taken
50:24
Speaker 2: to houses on and off post by men and women,
50:27
Speaker 2: led to an investigation of the possibility that there was
50:30
Speaker 2: an external organization in San Francisco, a ring of sorts
50:33
Speaker 2: that was operating with the darkest and most disturbing of intentions.
50:37
Speaker 2: So let's talk about that. This is where the devil
50:39
Speaker 2: comes to play, as.
50:40
Speaker 3: Sickening and unbelievable as it sounds, bearing children for use
50:44
Speaker 3: in Satanic rituals may really be happening.
50:46
Speaker 1: My daughter, who I named Wendy, was sacrificed at birth
50:49
Speaker 1: with an upside down cross, and then taken outside and
50:52
Speaker 1: very My son they kept and let live till two
50:56
Speaker 1: years old, and then he was sacrificed.
50:58
Speaker 5: Michael and I had a son, and he was dedicated
51:01
Speaker 5: to Satan at birth, and at six months age, she
51:04
Speaker 5: was sacrificed to Satan.
51:05
Speaker 1: It is most common for the heart to be taken
51:09
Speaker 1: from the child and offered to Satan.
51:12
Speaker 3: These women say they speak from personal experience. They claim
51:16
Speaker 3: to be breeders, forced by covens to bear our children,
51:19
Speaker 3: both as a way for the cults to get new
51:21
Speaker 3: members and to find fresh victims for ritual murder. Did
51:24
Speaker 3: you give birth.
51:25
Speaker 5: To infants who were sacrificed to My.
51:27
Speaker 4: First two were sacrificed, were sacrificed.
51:30
Speaker 6: I was told it was the highest honor I could
51:31
Speaker 6: ever do as a woman, was to sacrifice my first.
51:34
Speaker 3: Two, and you did that.
51:36
Speaker 6: I was so brainwashed I believed their philosophy.
51:39
Speaker 3: Jackie tells us she was able to escape her Satana cult.
51:42
Speaker 3: Today she helps other women like Donna who are trying
51:45
Speaker 3: to break free.
51:46
Speaker 4: You killed your babies, take.
51:52
Speaker 7: The skim off, you skin the baby, You take the
51:59
Speaker 7: baby skin off.
52:01
Speaker 4: Do you feel remorse?
52:02
Speaker 3: Have you told the police I had to.
52:03
Speaker 6: Do what I had to do or I'd be killed.
52:07
Speaker 1: Like the babies that they that they made new.
52:12
Speaker 6: Watch killed and that they put in my hand. They said,
52:15
Speaker 6: obey or this is you, Jackie.
52:17
Speaker 5: You have some pictures drawn during the therapy sessions by
52:20
Speaker 5: the people who've been through this.
52:21
Speaker 4: Won't you show me something?
52:22
Speaker 6: This picture is a press remembering skinning children and babies
52:26
Speaker 6: and hanging it out to dry and killed, getting them,
52:28
Speaker 6: taking the skin off alive while the while they are alive,
52:31
Speaker 6: and skin them until they die.
52:33
Speaker 5: And that's how your babies died.
52:35
Speaker 6: They took a little patch about three by four off
52:38
Speaker 6: of her stomach skinner and said, we'll skin you all
52:41
Speaker 6: the way. If you talk or cry, you learn how
52:44
Speaker 6: to cry real fast.
52:47
Speaker 3: I don't cry.
52:48
Speaker 2: In the nineteen eighties, you see, the presidio wasn't the nice,
52:51
Speaker 2: refurbished posh area that it is today. All across the
52:55
Speaker 2: campus there sat abandoned buildings and shacks that littered the
52:58
Speaker 2: landscapes structures reminie of a time when the campus saw
53:01
Speaker 2: a lot more action, and inside a concrete bunker behind
53:04
Speaker 2: the military Intelligence building at the Presidio, the words Prints
53:08
Speaker 2: of Darkness were painted boldly in red on one wall
53:11
Speaker 2: used decades ago to house artillery guns. The reinforced concrete
53:15
Speaker 2: batteries appeared to have been converted to something like ritual chambers.
53:19
Speaker 2: I'm also going to note that at the time that
53:20
Speaker 2: this article was written in the middle of nineteen eighty eight,
53:23
Speaker 2: these structures were still standing on the Presidio campus. As
53:27
Speaker 2: of today, they are gone. This abandoned bunker complex would
53:30
Speaker 2: go on to be a key part of the story.
53:32
Speaker 2: You see emblazon next to the Prince of Darkness graffiti.
53:35
Speaker 2: Inside of that abandoned bunker was the word die and
53:39
Speaker 2: what looked like a list of names painted in red
53:41
Speaker 2: that had been crossed out with heavy black paint. One
53:44
Speaker 2: wall was covered with the numeral six sixty six, a
53:47
Speaker 2: sign of the devil, and occult drawings. There was also
53:50
Speaker 2: a clearing in the center of the concrete floor where
53:52
Speaker 2: the ground was exposed, that was filled with refuse and
53:55
Speaker 2: partly burned logs. On the front wall Beneath the window
53:58
Speaker 2: that faced the Military Intelligence building was a huge, expertly
54:02
Speaker 2: painted pentagram inside of a circle, and in the rear,
54:05
Speaker 2: where the sunlight gave way to darkness, white and black
54:08
Speaker 2: candle drippings sat atop a dome shaped recession in the wall.
54:12
Speaker 2: Apparently a crude sort of altar. Incense sticks were also
54:15
Speaker 2: found inside of this abandoned bunker, half burned to the side,
54:19
Speaker 2: so people on the Presidio campus discovered this completely creepy
54:23
Speaker 2: abandoned satanic bunker thought nothing of it. At another abandoned
54:27
Speaker 2: battery farther up Lincoln Boulevard, a large drawing of Satan
54:31
Speaker 2: with red eyes and horns appeared one night on an
54:33
Speaker 2: outside concrete wall. Doors to the battery at the time
54:36
Speaker 2: were supposedly secured shut. There were no windows to climb through,
54:39
Speaker 2: and no entry was possible there.
54:41
Speaker 3: Joseph, we've agreed to conceal your identity, but you are
54:45
Speaker 3: an officer in the.
54:46
Speaker 4: United States Army, that's correct, And.
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Speaker 3: You were an officer in the United States Army during
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Speaker 3: the time you were a member of this satanic organization. Yes,
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Speaker 3: did the authorities at the Presidio know that a satanic
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Speaker 3: organization was active on their base during the time that
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Speaker 3: you were remembering.
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Speaker 4: They were very much aware of it.
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Speaker 3: Yes, wouldn't The present based commander Colonel Rafferty says that today,
55:05
Speaker 3: at least.
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Speaker 8: I know of no Satanic activities whatsoever in this area.
55:09
Speaker 3: Satanism may be a constitutionally protected religion, but similar to
55:13
Speaker 3: another recent case at the United States Military Academy at
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Speaker 3: West Point, here charges surface connecting ritual childs at the
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Speaker 3: Presidio daycare center to the Devil cult. It was here
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Speaker 3: parents and others allege that as many had sixty young
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Speaker 3: children were ritualistically by soldiers of Satany.
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Speaker 2: It'd be easy to dismiss the Satanic graffiti as the
55:33
Speaker 2: pranks of adolescence taking advantage of the isolated bunkers to
55:37
Speaker 2: scare their friends or the people on the Presidio campus,
55:40
Speaker 2: but the events in the Presidio case suggested something more
55:43
Speaker 2: sinister could have been involved. When you dig into the
55:46
Speaker 2: history of the campus, one discovers that Satanic goings on
55:49
Speaker 2: were not new to the Presidio. In the early nineteen
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Speaker 2: eighties when he was an MP or military police at
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Speaker 2: the Presidio, that former officer at Albanoski recalled quote we
55:59
Speaker 2: got a call from the Portola MacArthur housing area. One
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Speaker 2: person reported a man dressed in black holding a little
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Speaker 2: girl's hand, running toward the park. Another call came in
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Speaker 2: saying they heard screams near the creek end quote. The
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Speaker 2: search led to a gardener's shack at Julius Kahn Park,
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Speaker 2: a strip of city owned playground adjacent to the presidio
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Speaker 2: behind the housing area. We heard noise coming from the inside. Edwardcalled.
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Speaker 2: We kicked the door open, and here's this nice little
56:23
Speaker 2: bedroom and a corner was a mannequin with a gun
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Speaker 2: aimed at the door. On the left, there was this
56:28
Speaker 2: bunk against the wall. There was a pentagram on the floor,
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Speaker 2: a huge one. There were dolls, heads all over the ceiling,
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Speaker 2: just off the wall, stuff quo. When the bunker was searched,
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Speaker 2: loud music was found playing through a radio. After chasing
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Speaker 2: this hooded figure that was seen running around with a
56:42
Speaker 2: little girl and finding this bizarre horror shack at, Albanovski
56:45
Speaker 2: and another MP were given approval to set up a
56:48
Speaker 2: surveillance around the structure, but after a while the investigation
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Speaker 2: was called off. We were sitting there. We've got a
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Speaker 2: colt on the Presidio of San Francisco, and nobody cares
56:56
Speaker 2: about it. At Albanoski said, we were told by the
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Speaker 2: Provost Marshal to just forget about it. Though Ed's investigation
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Speaker 2: went nowhere, the child cases would raise the specter of
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Speaker 2: Satanism again.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, the Army does officially recognize Satanism as a legitimate
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Speaker 3: religion and supplies chaplains with this guide were ministering to
57:14
Speaker 3: the Satanic soldier. Yet unofficially some charge that army bases
57:19
Speaker 3: have become sanctuaries for devil worshippers. Just last month, under
57:23
Speaker 3: a full moon, I took a midnight tour of the
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Speaker 3: presidio grounds with police investigator at Abanofsky.
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Speaker 5: Are you saying that there was a Satanic cult active
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Speaker 5: right here on the army base.
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Speaker 7: Yes, we believe.
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Speaker 4: So there's evidence to substantiate that they had the Satanic
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Speaker 4: rituals going on.
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Speaker 8: There's an altar in there, and all the graffitian and
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Speaker 8: what would indicate that.
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Speaker 5: How'd you find this place?
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Speaker 7: This is a fortification during World War two d World
57:46
Speaker 7: War two where they had gun batteries.
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Speaker 5: I can see a pentagram painted on the wall.
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Speaker 8: I can see the.
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Speaker 5: Words Prince of Darkness on this wall, I say several
57:55
Speaker 5: inverted crosses and other obvious Satanic ritual sick paintings or symbols.
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Speaker 5: White actually was done to the kid uh.
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Speaker 4: So defecation they were urinated on.
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Speaker 3: The former chief juvenile investigator at the Presidio at Abanofsky
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Speaker 3: is here. He is now a deputy sheriff in Sarah
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Speaker 3: Santa Clara County.
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Speaker 2: Larry and Michelle Adams Thompson had noticed changes in their
58:21
Speaker 2: daughter's behavior after placing her in Gary Hambright's class four
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Speaker 2: or five times in September and October of nineteen eighty six.
58:28
Speaker 2: Their daughter, who turned three in October, had begun having
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Speaker 2: nightmares and would wet herself when frightened. Her parents believed
58:34
Speaker 2: it was just a bad stage she was going through
58:37
Speaker 2: until they heard about the Tobin Sun in January and
58:40
Speaker 2: learned of the allegations of in the daycare center. After
58:43
Speaker 2: learning of the allegations, Larry and Michelle's daughter was taken
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Speaker 2: to a therapist at Letterman Army Medical Center in February
58:49
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven. In therapy, the girl talked about being
58:53
Speaker 2: sleeved by Gary Hambright and also by a man named
58:56
Speaker 2: Mikey and a woman named Shamby, whose identities were on
59:00
Speaker 2: This is where it gets unbelievably freaky. On August twelfth,
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven, the Adams Thompsons were shopping at the
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Speaker 2: px or Post Exchange store at the Presidio. Suddenly, the
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Speaker 2: little girl ran to Larry Adams Thompson, her father, and
59:13
Speaker 2: clutched his leg. And when Larry looked up, he saw
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Speaker 2: a man who he knew as one of the most
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Speaker 2: powerful people on the Presidio base, Lieutenant Colonel Michael Akino. Yes,
59:22
Speaker 2: that's Mikey, the three year old told her father. After
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Speaker 2: being taken outside, the girl added, he's a bad man
59:28
Speaker 2: and I'm afraid. As they were leaving the parking lot,
59:30
Speaker 2: the Adams Thompson saw Akino's wife, a woman named Lilith.
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Speaker 2: Larry then asked his daughter if she knew the woman. Yes,
59:38
Speaker 2: that's Shamby, the girl said. Immediately after this, the family
59:42
Speaker 2: went home and called the FBI. When interviewed by authorities
59:45
Speaker 2: the next day, the girl identified Gary Hambright from a
59:48
Speaker 2: photo lineup and said that she had been driven to
59:51
Speaker 2: who she referred to as Mikey and Shamby's home by
59:54
Speaker 2: Gary there. She said. At the couple's home, she was
59:57
Speaker 2: by Gary, Mikey, and Shamby in a really with black walls.
1:00:01
Speaker 2: She said that she had been photographed during this videotaped.
1:00:05
Speaker 2: She also said that Gary and Mikey were dressed in
1:00:07
Speaker 2: women's clothes and that Shamby was dressed in man's clothes.
1:00:11
Speaker 2: To get a little more detailed with these accusations, it
1:00:13
Speaker 2: was later learned that the interview was conducted by an
1:00:16
Speaker 2: FBI agent on August thirteenth. The victim told the agent
1:00:20
Speaker 2: that quote, Mikey wears army clothes like my daddy's, and
1:00:24
Speaker 2: that Mikey put his into her mouth bottom and just
1:00:29
Speaker 2: like mister Gary. The victim also told FBI agent Foreman
1:00:33
Speaker 2: that she went with mister Gary to his house and
1:00:36
Speaker 2: Mikey and Shamby were there. The girl also told her
1:00:38
Speaker 2: mother that Mikey was the blood Man because he had
1:00:41
Speaker 2: put blood on her and licked it off her body.
1:00:44
Speaker 2: Missus Adams Thompson also recalled that her daughter had described
1:00:48
Speaker 2: Mikey as having eyebrows that went up. It should be
1:00:51
Speaker 2: noted that Michael Achino's appearance was distinctive. His eyebrows indeed
1:00:56
Speaker 2: did curl upwards in a very distinct sort of way.
1:00:59
Speaker 2: His hairline and is marked by a prominent widow's peak,
1:01:02
Speaker 2: and his black hair was always worn combed straight back.
1:01:05
Speaker 2: When shown a photo of Akino, the victim acknowledged that, yeah,
1:01:08
Speaker 2: that's him and that was his appearance. In addition to
1:01:11
Speaker 2: the identification at the post exchange, the young victim also
1:01:14
Speaker 2: identified a Keno out of a five person photo lineup
1:01:17
Speaker 2: and a video lineup. They had gotten multiple positive identifications
1:01:21
Speaker 2: of an alleged perpetrator. As it turned out, and documents
1:01:25
Speaker 2: released after this entire affair, it turned out that multiple
1:01:28
Speaker 2: children had apparently picked out Michael Aquino from a lineup
1:01:31
Speaker 2: and identified him as one of the The investigators, after
1:01:34
Speaker 2: hearing all these allegations from the young female victim, drove
1:01:38
Speaker 2: her to Leavenworth Street in San Francisco. The girl was
1:01:41
Speaker 2: asked to identify any of the houses she had been
1:01:43
Speaker 2: to before, and while she and the investigators were walking
1:01:46
Speaker 2: up the street approaching the home where the had, according
1:01:49
Speaker 2: to the girl, supposedly happened, the young victim began to
1:01:52
Speaker 2: get visibly nervous and anxious and began clutching her mother's leg.
1:01:56
Speaker 2: When the group walked past twenty four thirty eleven Worth.
1:01:59
Speaker 2: The girl immediately pointed her finger and identified the house
1:02:02
Speaker 2: as being the home where she met Mikey and Shamby,
1:02:05
Speaker 2: the house where she was in the house where she
1:02:07
Speaker 2: said she was videotaped and with the black walls. After
1:02:11
Speaker 2: a short search, it turned out that the exact house
1:02:14
Speaker 2: that she had identified on a random street in San
1:02:16
Speaker 2: Francisco belonged to Michael Aquino. A search warrant was then
1:02:21
Speaker 2: served on the Akino home on August fourteenth, in attendance
1:02:24
Speaker 2: where agents from the FBI and the San Francisco Police.
1:02:27
Speaker 2: Because the allegedly occurred on city property, it has to
1:02:30
Speaker 2: be a city case and not a military case, at
1:02:33
Speaker 2: least according to local government figures. And actually, I'm going
1:02:36
Speaker 2: to show you a clip. We actually visited Michael Aquino's
1:02:40
Speaker 2: former residence on Leavenworth Street in San Francisco when we
1:02:44
Speaker 2: were there filming this video. So it's very very eerie.
1:02:47
Speaker 2: There is a very bad negative energy there. I'm just
1:02:50
Speaker 2: gonna let you guys watch this and make up your mind.
1:02:53
Speaker 2: So right now we are at one of the most
1:02:56
Speaker 2: important locations in all of the Presidio store twenty four
1:03:01
Speaker 2: point thirty Elevenworth Street here in San Francisco. Now, this
1:03:05
Speaker 2: residential property was once the home of Michael Aquino, the
1:03:10
Speaker 2: guy who was the mind control mind warfare specialist, and
1:03:15
Speaker 2: this is actually where he founded the Temple of Set,
1:03:17
Speaker 2: which is kind of an offshoot of the Church of Satan,
1:03:20
Speaker 2: a Satanist organization dedicated to the occult. This is actually
1:03:25
Speaker 2: the location that the San Francisco Police obtained a search
1:03:28
Speaker 2: warrant for and executed a search warrant on in the
1:03:32
Speaker 2: wake of these accusations being made against Michael Aquino. Now
1:03:37
Speaker 2: it begs many questions. If there was nothing to these claims,
1:03:40
Speaker 2: then how was the San Francisco Police Department able to
1:03:43
Speaker 2: secure a search warrant for this property? How did any
1:03:47
Speaker 2: of that happen if there was no shred of credibility
1:03:50
Speaker 2: to any of these claims? And how did that young
1:03:53
Speaker 2: victim accurately describe the interior of this building if they've
1:03:57
Speaker 2: never been inside of it. Interestingly, when the police raided
1:04:00
Speaker 2: this home, they uncovered a bunch of stuff. They included
1:04:03
Speaker 2: video recording equipment, BHS tapes, photographs, all sorts of material.
1:04:07
Speaker 2: Nobody knows what was on that stuff, but Yeah, it's interesting.
1:04:11
Speaker 1: It's uh.
1:04:14
Speaker 2: Eerie, kind of an eerie looking property if you actually
1:04:18
Speaker 2: take a look at it, the old chandeliers.
1:04:21
Speaker 7: This this is.
1:04:21
Speaker 2: The Temple of Set, a satanic hotspot and possibly a
1:04:26
Speaker 2: place where some of the worst things in the history
1:04:30
Speaker 2: of San Francisco happened. And it's been effectively covered up,
1:04:37
Speaker 2: which is crazy. Interesting. That there's a shitload of security
1:04:46
Speaker 2: cameras out front too.
1:04:47
Speaker 1: Is set.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what I mean.
1:04:51
Speaker 2: Anywhere that's got like a red door and black brick
1:04:54
Speaker 2: doesn't exactly look like home, Sweet Home, Happy, Happy Go
1:04:58
Speaker 2: Lucky Avenue. This is twenty four to twenty so there's
1:05:02
Speaker 2: this twenty four I guess.
1:05:05
Speaker 6: Probably right here.
1:05:10
Speaker 2: I think it's Yeah, there's a security camera there there. Crazy.
1:05:16
Speaker 2: If only we could get inside and investigate ominous all right?
1:05:24
Speaker 2: Have you see that I was able to actually get
1:05:26
Speaker 2: a copy of the arrest warrant, which I'm not sure
1:05:29
Speaker 2: has ever been published before in a video like this,
1:05:32
Speaker 2: So I'm going to back all this stuff up with proof.
1:05:34
Speaker 2: As you can see in the search warrant, the officer
1:05:36
Speaker 2: writing all of this stuff down essentially relates the same
1:05:39
Speaker 2: information that I just told you to be true. The
1:05:41
Speaker 2: warrant discusses the victim identifying her at the PX store
1:05:45
Speaker 2: on the Presidio campus, and then goes into her allegations
1:05:48
Speaker 2: in detail. The girl had told investigators that she remembered
1:05:51
Speaker 2: a very distinctive bathtub inside of the home, along with
1:05:54
Speaker 2: a painted cross on the ceiling, a room with black walls,
1:05:57
Speaker 2: and more. And so the SFPD executed the warrant and
1:06:00
Speaker 2: made a move on Akino and his wife. As you
1:06:04
Speaker 2: can see based on this warrant, the items seized from
1:06:07
Speaker 2: the Akino's place included videotapes, cassette tapes, notebooks with names
1:06:12
Speaker 2: and addresses, two photo albums, one paper plate and two
1:06:15
Speaker 2: plastic gloves from the kitchen garbage, four plastic cases of negatives,
1:06:19
Speaker 2: and twenty nine photos of costumes and masks. During the search,
1:06:22
Speaker 2: the FBI photographed the interior of the apartment and some weapons, masks,
1:06:27
Speaker 2: and ceremonial items were observed there. And in a peculiar
1:06:30
Speaker 2: and somewhat troubling twist, it turned out that the three
1:06:33
Speaker 2: other apartments in the house and the house next door
1:06:35
Speaker 2: on Leavenworth Street weren't searched, although later investigation disclosed that
1:06:40
Speaker 2: Michael Achino owned both properties. As far as I know,
1:06:44
Speaker 2: it was never revealed exactly what was found inside of
1:06:46
Speaker 2: those photo books or on those videotapes, And keep in
1:06:49
Speaker 2: mind they found thirty six videotapes in total. In addition,
1:06:52
Speaker 2: the photographs taken inside of the Achino's residents were shown
1:06:56
Speaker 2: to the young female victim who had made the initial
1:06:58
Speaker 2: allegations on October fifth teenth, nineteen eighty seven. Although according
1:07:02
Speaker 2: to investigators, the victim's reactions to the photographs weren't fully conclusive,
1:07:06
Speaker 2: the pictures did show a number of items that corroborated
1:07:09
Speaker 2: her and other children's descriptions of the house where they
1:07:12
Speaker 2: were taken to. And remember the girl at first had
1:07:15
Speaker 2: said she was taken to this house with black walls,
1:07:18
Speaker 2: and these people had these masks on. There were children
1:07:21
Speaker 2: talking about guns being pointed at them. This girl even
1:07:24
Speaker 2: described in her reports that she was placed into a
1:07:27
Speaker 2: bathtub with elephant feet, like very very specific style of bathtub.
1:07:33
Speaker 2: It's in the reports, And she said that she was
1:07:35
Speaker 2: photographed in the nibble she was in this bathtub, and
1:07:38
Speaker 2: the investigators found a bathtub with elephant feet inside of
1:07:42
Speaker 2: the home. In addition to these masks, weapons, black walls,
1:07:45
Speaker 2: all of this stuff. This victim wasn't the only victim
1:07:48
Speaker 2: whose story was corroborated by the raid. You see, other
1:07:51
Speaker 2: children had testified about being taken to this same room,
1:07:54
Speaker 2: to the same house, and they had described seeing a
1:07:56
Speaker 2: number of different things masks, guns, toyana animals or dinosaurs,
1:08:01
Speaker 2: a lion picture on the wall and lions on the
1:08:03
Speaker 2: Egyptian throne, a computer, cameras, and a black room with
1:08:07
Speaker 2: soft walls and a robot. Every single one of those
1:08:09
Speaker 2: items that I just listed was named as existing inside
1:08:12
Speaker 2: of the apartment by a child victim before the raid
1:08:15
Speaker 2: was carried out. So how did all of these kids
1:08:17
Speaker 2: know what was in the apartment, know what it looked like,
1:08:20
Speaker 2: know these minute details if they'd never been there. In addition,
1:08:24
Speaker 2: one of the items seized by the SFPD during the
1:08:27
Speaker 2: search was a notebook. The notebook contained the name Mike
1:08:30
Speaker 2: Toto written inside of it. This was interesting because the
1:08:33
Speaker 2: Adams Thompson's daughter and another child victim had both mentioned
1:08:37
Speaker 2: Toto as being one of the persons and amongst the
1:08:40
Speaker 2: abi that they were by well at mister Gary's house.
1:08:43
Speaker 2: During an April seventh, nineteen eighty seven interview with Major Hickey,
1:08:47
Speaker 2: months before the identification that the young female victim made
1:08:50
Speaker 2: at the PX store. The victim stated that Shamby and
1:08:52
Speaker 2: Sassy were the same person, and that Sasse was Toto's girlfriend.
1:08:56
Speaker 2: But before we go any further, we really need to
1:08:59
Speaker 2: do a dive into Mike.
1:09:00
Speaker 3: In our investigation, we discovered that some of Satan's soldiers
1:09:04
Speaker 3: are also high ranking officers in the United States Military.
1:09:07
Speaker 3: Here at San Francisco's Presidio Army Base, for example, Lieutenant
1:09:11
Speaker 3: Colonel Michael Aquino led a double life as a Satanic
1:09:14
Speaker 3: high priest. The colonel's cult is listed in the San
1:09:17
Speaker 3: Francisco Telephone book and his phone answering machine, Both of
1:09:21
Speaker 3: his affiliation.
1:09:23
Speaker 6: Is the Temple of Set.
1:09:25
Speaker 8: The temple is the only international Satanic religious institution fully
1:09:30
Speaker 8: recognized by the United States government.
1:09:33
Speaker 3: Doctor Quino, the High Priest of the Church of Set
1:09:36
Speaker 3: Temple of Set. Temple of Set, also a colonel, interestingly enough,
1:09:39
Speaker 3: in the United States Army.
1:09:41
Speaker 1: What is it this Satanism?
1:09:42
Speaker 8: I think that there is some confusion tonight because this
1:09:46
Speaker 8: same term means something different to Satanists than it does
1:09:50
Speaker 8: to Christians in the United States by our own standards.
1:09:53
Speaker 8: The people who you've shown in these film clips would
1:09:55
Speaker 8: not be Satanists, either present or in the past. Rather,
1:09:58
Speaker 8: they would be the failures of a conventional religion.
1:10:03
Speaker 3: I appreciate your opinion.
1:10:04
Speaker 7: What is it, sir that what is Satanism?
1:10:06
Speaker 8: Well, Originally, the Church of Satan when it was founded,
1:10:09
Speaker 8: was composed not of people with a hatred for Christianity,
1:10:12
Speaker 8: but if people who by and large were agnostics and
1:10:14
Speaker 8: atheists because they felt that the institutions which had arisen
1:10:18
Speaker 8: around Christianity had failed in their moral commitment. So Satanism
1:10:22
Speaker 8: itself became an emphasis on rational self interest and on
1:10:26
Speaker 8: taking responsibility for your own intellectual and ethical decisions rational
1:10:30
Speaker 8: self interest, you feel yes.
1:10:32
Speaker 2: With his widow's peak and arching eyebrows, Lieutenant Colonel Michael
1:10:35
Speaker 2: Lechino looks more like Dracula than a high ranking army
1:10:38
Speaker 2: officer with top security clearance. He's the founder and high
1:10:41
Speaker 2: priest of a Satanic church, which he named the Temple
1:10:44
Speaker 2: of set. Aquino's wife, Lilith, a woman with long dark hair,
1:10:48
Speaker 2: was a priestess in the temple's self proclaimed Order of
1:10:50
Speaker 2: the Vampire. The couple had many times in the past
1:10:53
Speaker 2: referred to the search as a raid and had branded
1:10:55
Speaker 2: the investigation as a quote witch hunt. The Army has
1:10:59
Speaker 2: known about my religion for the last eighteen years. It
1:11:01
Speaker 2: has no problem, a Kino told the author of this
1:11:04
Speaker 2: original article in a telephone interview in late nineteen eighty seven.
1:11:07
Speaker 2: Not one single person in the US Army, with the
1:11:09
Speaker 2: exception of the chaplain, would have the remotest notion that
1:11:12
Speaker 2: I would be involved in anything like this end quote. Indeed,
1:11:15
Speaker 2: when asked, Army spokesmen at the Pentagon have labeled Aquino's
1:11:18
Speaker 2: military career as extraordinary and say he's entitled to his
1:11:22
Speaker 2: religious beliefs. And that's true. No matter what religion you
1:11:26
Speaker 2: choose to follow here in the United States, it's enshrined
1:11:29
Speaker 2: in your rights as an American to be able to
1:11:31
Speaker 2: follow that religion. And as for a Kno's top security clearance,
1:11:34
Speaker 2: the Army spokesman stated that Aquino's openness about being a
1:11:37
Speaker 2: Satanist made him much less of a security risk than
1:11:40
Speaker 2: a quote and this is a direct quote from back then,
1:11:43
Speaker 2: homosexual or someone with drug or money problems would be
1:11:47
Speaker 2: end quote. The Army didn't suspend Aquino's clearance when he
1:11:50
Speaker 2: joined the Church of Satan, founded by Anton Levey in
1:11:53
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine, nor when they discovered that Akino had
1:11:56
Speaker 2: founded his own Satanic church in nineteen seventy five. A Keino,
1:12:00
Speaker 2: while on a NATO tour of Europe in nineteen eighty two,
1:12:03
Speaker 2: performed a Satanic occult ritual in the Westphalian castle that
1:12:08
Speaker 2: had been used as an occult sanctuary by Heinrich Himmler's
1:12:11
Speaker 2: ss Elite in Germany. That's right, Michael Achino performed an
1:12:16
Speaker 2: occult ritual in an witch castle in Germany on a
1:12:20
Speaker 2: trip that was funded by NATO, and the Army didn't
1:12:23
Speaker 2: bat an eye and you could probably have seen this coming.
1:12:26
Speaker 2: The Army also failed to move to suspend Akeino's top
1:12:29
Speaker 2: security clearance during the investigation. The nature of the investigation
1:12:33
Speaker 2: that prompted the search of his house, and I understand
1:12:35
Speaker 2: some of his belongings were taken by police really is
1:12:38
Speaker 2: a question for the San Francisco Police Department. Major Greg Rison,
1:12:42
Speaker 2: spokesman at the Pentagon, said, when questioned about all this.
1:12:45
Speaker 2: Michael Achino, who eventually went to work as a program's
1:12:48
Speaker 2: analyst at the Army Reserve Personnel Center in Saint Louis,
1:12:51
Speaker 2: vehemently denied of until his dying day had ever met
1:12:54
Speaker 2: or had the young victim in his house, who alleged
1:12:57
Speaker 2: he He also unsuccessfully tried to have marshall proceedings initiated
1:13:01
Speaker 2: against Adams Thompson, the parent of the child making the allegations.
1:13:05
Speaker 2: In a Temple of Set newsletter sent out two months
1:13:08
Speaker 2: after the search of his home, a Keno accused Adams Thompson,
1:13:11
Speaker 2: the victim's father, who's an assistant chaplain for the Army,
1:13:14
Speaker 2: of trumping up the allegations as some sort of Christian vendetta.
1:13:17
Speaker 2: Also relevant is his profession as a Christian clergyman. I
1:13:20
Speaker 2: certainly doubt he would have made such an outrageous accusation
1:13:23
Speaker 2: against any lieutenant colonel who was not known to be
1:13:25
Speaker 2: a prominent Satanist. In the course of my personal investigation,
1:13:29
Speaker 2: I was able to track down a copy of this
1:13:31
Speaker 2: exact newsletter, and in part it read, what about Army
1:13:34
Speaker 2: Chaplain Lawrence Adams Thompson blissfully enjoying his new assignment in
1:13:38
Speaker 2: Hawaii after setting in motion this malicious damage to the
1:13:41
Speaker 2: Temple of Set, Lilith and myself. I've requested the Presidio
1:13:44
Speaker 2: Commander to initiate a formal reprimand as a permanent entry
1:13:48
Speaker 2: in Adams Thompson's file. This again is a way of
1:13:50
Speaker 2: addressing the matter that would accompany formal publicity. Basically, in
1:13:54
Speaker 2: this newsletter, Aquino tries to demand that he's innocent. He
1:13:57
Speaker 2: wants everybody to know that he's innocent. He's says that
1:14:00
Speaker 2: since the victim's father was a Christian clergyman, that that
1:14:04
Speaker 2: meant that he had a vendetta against Michael Aquino and
1:14:07
Speaker 2: wanted to ruin his life. So he tried to get
1:14:11
Speaker 2: his daughter to make up fake Satanic salt allegations. And
1:14:15
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a bunch of lies in falsehoods.
1:14:17
Speaker 2: He's just claiming that he's being attacked for being a
1:14:19
Speaker 2: Satanist when it couldn't be more opposite. This investigation was
1:14:22
Speaker 2: brought on because he was identified by children as an
1:14:25
Speaker 2: emer But like I said, if you want to read
1:14:26
Speaker 2: that full newsletter, which is interesting, which goes into much
1:14:29
Speaker 2: deeper detail on Aquino's personal thoughts on this whole thing,
1:14:32
Speaker 2: I'd recommend checking out the link and posting to it
1:14:35
Speaker 2: in the description of this video. In addition, later on,
1:14:37
Speaker 2: when Aquino was lobbying for the army to take action
1:14:40
Speaker 2: against Adams Thompson, the young female victim's father. He stated
1:14:43
Speaker 2: in a court document that the man head quote mailed
1:14:46
Speaker 2: an obscene postcard to him, which was described in the
1:14:49
Speaker 2: documents as bearing quote a picture of a male transgender
1:14:52
Speaker 2: stating blow it out your xupopus jerk end quote. But
1:14:55
Speaker 2: Aquino later withdrew the charge regarding the postcard after he
1:14:59
Speaker 2: learned that Adam Thompson and his family had already moved
1:15:02
Speaker 2: to Hawaii before the date the postcard was mailed, so
1:15:05
Speaker 2: he wasn't even in talent to send the postcard. And
1:15:08
Speaker 2: Akno had sworn under oath that this guy had sent
1:15:11
Speaker 2: this postcard to him and he knew it was true.
1:15:13
Speaker 2: In addition, during the time when Akino was lobbying for
1:15:15
Speaker 2: the Army to take action against Adams Thompson, investigators learned
1:15:19
Speaker 2: that he had lied to them multiple times under oath.
1:15:21
Speaker 2: Here's some specific wording from the actual filed court documents
1:15:25
Speaker 2: quote based upon these sworn charges against CPT Adams Thompson
1:15:29
Speaker 2: and other statements made by plaintiff or Akino. As the
1:15:32
Speaker 2: investigation continued, CID investigated a Kinno for false swearing. Specifically,
1:15:37
Speaker 2: Akno falsely stated that the victim was two years old
1:15:39
Speaker 2: in October nineteen eighty six, when she was in fact three.
1:15:43
Speaker 2: Akino admitted that he incorrectly stated the victim's age, but
1:15:46
Speaker 2: claimed it was a mistake. Aquino also stated that he
1:15:49
Speaker 2: had never used or been known by the nickname Mikey,
1:15:52
Speaker 2: but the children had claimed that he wanted to be
1:15:54
Speaker 2: called Mikey, that these other adults that were in them
1:15:56
Speaker 2: referred to him as Mikey, And in addition to the
1:15:58
Speaker 2: children's identified pats of Akino as Mikey, mister Anton Levey,
1:16:03
Speaker 2: a friend and associate of Michael Achino, referred to him
1:16:06
Speaker 2: when he was being interviewed by investigators as Mikey. So
1:16:10
Speaker 2: it turns out very close friends of Michael Achino called
1:16:13
Speaker 2: him Mikey, and he was lying saying he's never gone
1:16:15
Speaker 2: by that nickname. Aquino also made other statements controverted by evidence,
1:16:19
Speaker 2: including that only three people had access to the security
1:16:23
Speaker 2: code to his upper apartment, which was false, and that
1:16:25
Speaker 2: he had never been to the CDC, which was proven
1:16:28
Speaker 2: to be false. So while he was lobbying for the
1:16:31
Speaker 2: truth to be told, it seemed as though Achino himself
1:16:34
Speaker 2: was lying interesting right, well interestingly enough, on May fifteenth,
1:16:38
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, CID agents and legal advisors met with
1:16:42
Speaker 2: Lieutenant Colonel Craig Schwender, staff judge advocate for the Presidio,
1:16:46
Speaker 2: and viewed the investigation and evidence with him from the
1:16:49
Speaker 2: case against Michael Achino. Schwender at the time openly stated
1:16:52
Speaker 2: to the group that there was probable cause to title ltc.
1:16:55
Speaker 2: Aquino for the offenses of acts with the child biers, kidnapping,
1:17:01
Speaker 2: and for false swearing or lying under oath. But for
1:17:04
Speaker 2: some reason, even though these powerful people in the military
1:17:07
Speaker 2: talked amongst each other and said that they probably could
1:17:11
Speaker 2: have charged him with things, the army officials never followed
1:17:14
Speaker 2: up with this and never sought any charges. Then, in
1:17:16
Speaker 2: April nineteen eighty eight, Michael Aquino wrote a four page
1:17:20
Speaker 2: letter to the head of a children's advocates group in
1:17:22
Speaker 2: southern California, warning that we do not intend to see
1:17:25
Speaker 2: a replay of what happened in nat Germany, when the
1:17:28
Speaker 2: reluctance of the Jews to challenge those who systematically and
1:17:31
Speaker 2: falsely accused Judaism of heinous crimes, including the school and
1:17:35
Speaker 2: ritual murder of Christian children, led to violence against them.
1:17:39
Speaker 2: Akino said that the Temple of Set neither prescribes nor
1:17:42
Speaker 2: tolerates any form of harms or otherwise to children or animals.
1:17:46
Speaker 2: It's made clear in our membership publications that should we
1:17:49
Speaker 2: have any reason to think that a member is engaged
1:17:51
Speaker 2: in any such activity, he or she will be immediately
1:17:53
Speaker 2: expelled and reported to the appropriate law enforcement or animal
1:17:56
Speaker 2: protection authorities. End quote. In a February appearance on the
1:18:00
Speaker 2: Oprah Winfrey Show in the year nineteen eighty eight, Aquino
1:18:03
Speaker 2: said that Satanists are not servants of some god. We
1:18:06
Speaker 2: are our own gods. We are our decision makers, and
1:18:09
Speaker 2: people naturally fear this. Their beliefs, he said, are most
1:18:12
Speaker 2: closely aligned to that of Plato. To this day. Neither
1:18:15
Speaker 2: Michael Aquino nor his wife were charged in connection with
1:18:18
Speaker 2: this case. The San Francisco Police completed their investigation of
1:18:22
Speaker 2: the Achinos in June of nineteen eighty eight and submitted
1:18:24
Speaker 2: their findings to the San Francisco District Attorney's office. A
1:18:28
Speaker 2: decision on whether any charges would be filed was pending
1:18:31
Speaker 2: when this story first went to press, but no charges
1:18:33
Speaker 2: were indeed ever filed. Aquino would eventually write a book
1:18:37
Speaker 2: titled Extreme prejudice, talking about how he was completely innocent
1:18:41
Speaker 2: and how he and his wife felt like they were
1:18:42
Speaker 2: the subject of a witch hunt for Satanists at the time. However,
1:18:46
Speaker 2: according to some official documents filed, despite Aquino's contentions, this
1:18:50
Speaker 2: investigation was not a witch hunt. Aquino was not targeted
1:18:53
Speaker 2: because of his religious beliefs. In fact, as Aquino repeatedly
1:18:57
Speaker 2: points out and his voluminous submissions appended, it is part
1:19:00
Speaker 2: of the report of this investigation, the Army has been
1:19:03
Speaker 2: well aware of Aquino's religious beliefs throughout his Army career,
1:19:06
Speaker 2: and they have not interfered with his religious practices. The
1:19:09
Speaker 2: sole reasons for this investigation and the CID decision to
1:19:13
Speaker 2: title plaintiff are the facts that point to Akino's be
1:19:17
Speaker 2: the young Adams Thompson victim. In addition, this whole witch
1:19:20
Speaker 2: hunt narrative is kind of hard to buy into when
1:19:22
Speaker 2: you consider that the main accused, Gary Hambright, was himself
1:19:27
Speaker 2: a self proclaimed Baptist minister. But although Aquino proclaimed his innocence,
1:19:32
Speaker 2: there were other members from within a Keno's Satanic sect
1:19:35
Speaker 2: that wanted to go public with information about him, but
1:19:38
Speaker 2: never reached the exposure levels that they desired. For example,
1:19:41
Speaker 2: I personally did a lot of research to write this
1:19:43
Speaker 2: script and compile all of this information. Now, let's take
1:19:46
Speaker 2: a look at this redacted report that I found online,
1:19:49
Speaker 2: otherwise known as US Army Criminal Investigation Command Report number
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Speaker 2: zero six one zero eight eight CID zero two six
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Speaker 2: six nine two five nine five K three pi six
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Speaker 2: three six e two meter six A one five m
1:20:03
Speaker 2: two meter five y two dims. Holy shit, it's a
1:20:07
Speaker 2: long name. In the report, on page eight, it is
1:20:10
Speaker 2: said that a former Temple of Set member recalled Michael
1:20:13
Speaker 2: Achino mentioning a ritual chamber hidden in his apartment at
1:20:17
Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty Elevenworth Street. On page thirty two
1:20:20
Speaker 2: in the report, it mentions how Michael Achino used letters
1:20:23
Speaker 2: from General William Westmoreland and Senator George McGovern to defend
1:20:27
Speaker 2: himself from a nineteen seventy two controversy over his involvement
1:20:31
Speaker 2: in the Church of Satan. So he was using government
1:20:34
Speaker 2: powers and powers that be to get himself out of trouble.
1:20:38
Speaker 2: On page forty two, it's noted that Michael Achino claimed
1:20:41
Speaker 2: in a letter to the Army that he had never
1:20:43
Speaker 2: come across any contemporary account of a Christian priest conducting
1:20:47
Speaker 2: a black Mass, despite there being such an account in
1:20:50
Speaker 2: a book on the Church of Satan that Michael Achino
1:20:53
Speaker 2: himself wrote. This shows that Michael Achino was comfortable not
1:20:57
Speaker 2: telling the truth to the authorities or in a fficial
1:21:00
Speaker 2: reports under oath. On page forty seven, the report notes
1:21:03
Speaker 2: that michael Achino's residence contained four different apartments. Remember, the
1:21:08
Speaker 2: police and authorities only searched one of those, including one
1:21:11
Speaker 2: that his Temple of set leader brother in law lived in.
1:21:13
Speaker 2: Yet only the top flat was searched by the SFPD
1:21:17
Speaker 2: and the apartment that was searched by the SFPD had
1:21:20
Speaker 2: randomly been repainted between June nineteen eighty six and January
1:21:24
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven, so right after or during the time
1:21:29
Speaker 2: when those initial allegations that children were being brought there,
1:21:32
Speaker 2: sometime in that exact area, the apartment where this is
1:21:36
Speaker 2: all taking place is randomly being repainted. Then, on page
1:21:39
Speaker 2: seventy one, it stated that when he was asked about
1:21:42
Speaker 2: the colors of his home's interior prior to the SFPD search,
1:21:46
Speaker 2: Michael Achino refused to answer on the advice of his lawyer.
1:21:50
Speaker 2: It's also noted that despite heading to Washington, d c.
1:21:53
Speaker 2: At the end of July nineteen eighty six to begin
1:21:55
Speaker 2: classes at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces. Michael
1:21:59
Speaker 2: Aquino not I only admitted to being back in San
1:22:01
Speaker 2: Francisco from September nineteenth to twenty first and December twentieth
1:22:05
Speaker 2: to January fourth, but he had calls from his residence
1:22:08
Speaker 2: on August twenty third, August twenty sixth, September fourth, and
1:22:12
Speaker 2: December eighth. That's the exact time period of the initial
1:22:15
Speaker 2: allegations made by all these victims. On page eighty four
1:22:19
Speaker 2: are the notes of an interview with Anton Levy, the
1:22:22
Speaker 2: leader and founder of the Church of Satan.
1:22:24
Speaker 1: Now.
1:22:24
Speaker 2: This is particularly interesting because in one passage an interaction
1:22:28
Speaker 2: is described. Essentially, it's an anecdote about a woman who
1:22:31
Speaker 2: visited Michael Achino at his home in Santa Barbara. The
1:22:34
Speaker 2: woman describes the incident, saying that at one point Aquino
1:22:38
Speaker 2: began playing very loud music, then stepped out of the
1:22:40
Speaker 2: living room, then returned completely in the wearing only a creepy,
1:22:45
Speaker 2: demonic looking mask. The woman stated she refused his advances
1:22:48
Speaker 2: on her and said that his conduct was unacceptable. In
1:22:51
Speaker 2: the search of Michael Aquino's apartment, a similar mask was
1:22:55
Speaker 2: recovered by investigators, corroborating the story. On pages eighty eight
1:22:58
Speaker 2: and eighty nine are the notes of interviews with Linda Blood,
1:23:01
Speaker 2: a former member of the Temple of Set. Now. While
1:23:04
Speaker 2: the former members states that she never saw children at
1:23:07
Speaker 2: any ritual, she also discusses some extremely inappropriate and graphics
1:23:12
Speaker 2: advances and behaviors that Michael Achino exhibited towards her, basically
1:23:16
Speaker 2: exposing him as a freaky guy if you get what
1:23:19
Speaker 2: I'm saying. On pages ninety and ninety one are the
1:23:21
Speaker 2: notes of an interview with the former Temple of Set
1:23:24
Speaker 2: member who mentioned those rumors of Michael Achino getting excited
1:23:27
Speaker 2: by activity, real freaky stuff. This ex Temple of Set
1:23:33
Speaker 2: member also claimed that at one point Michael Achino told
1:23:36
Speaker 2: him about a hidden ritual chamber in his apartment. He
1:23:39
Speaker 2: also notes that year one in the Temple of Set
1:23:42
Speaker 2: literature refers to nineteen sixty six. On page ninety one
1:23:45
Speaker 2: are the notes of an interview with somebody who visited
1:23:47
Speaker 2: the Achino's property in April or May nineteen eighty six
1:23:51
Speaker 2: in his official capacity and recalled that the front room
1:23:54
Speaker 2: had walls of a dark color possibly black, which once
1:23:58
Speaker 2: again corroborated victim testimony. On page ninety one are the
1:24:01
Speaker 2: notes of an interview with someone who installed a security
1:24:03
Speaker 2: system at the Achino's property sometime in early nineteen eighty
1:24:07
Speaker 2: six and recalled a padded room on the upper level
1:24:11
Speaker 2: and dark rooms, once again corroborating the stories of these
1:24:15
Speaker 2: victim children. On page one fourteen, it mentions the CID
1:24:19
Speaker 2: being contacted by a detective from the Mendocino County Sheriff's
1:24:22
Speaker 2: Department who reported that a victim in a ritual case
1:24:25
Speaker 2: they had worked had independently identified Michael Achino as being
1:24:29
Speaker 2: a perpetrator, and the investigators noted that the prime suspect
1:24:33
Speaker 2: in their investigation lived very close nearby where Michael Achino
1:24:38
Speaker 2: was currently assigned. It's pointed out that this prime suspect
1:24:42
Speaker 2: was a former US Navy member. This serves to link
1:24:45
Speaker 2: multiple allegations of virtuals not only to Michael Achino, but
1:24:49
Speaker 2: to the presidio as a whole as well. On page
1:24:51
Speaker 2: one fourteen, it mentions a probation officer at the Verdemont
1:24:54
Speaker 2: Boys Ranch in San Bernardino County, California, reporting that one
1:24:58
Speaker 2: of her probationers claimed his was involved with the Temple
1:25:01
Speaker 2: of Set in Lake Arrowhead, California, and claims that two
1:25:05
Speaker 2: suspects in a kidnapping trial in the area may have
1:25:08
Speaker 2: been linked to the group, and on pages one, four,
1:25:11
Speaker 2: one five, the entire section about whether Michael Aquino had
1:25:15
Speaker 2: contact with other suspects or victims mentioned in the report
1:25:18
Speaker 2: is completely redacted. The government has still to this day
1:25:22
Speaker 2: deemed that information too damning, too explosive, The show off
1:25:27
Speaker 2: to us regular members of the public very interesting. The
1:25:31
Speaker 2: only time you redact the document is when you have
1:25:33
Speaker 2: something to hide. Take make of that what you will.
1:25:35
Speaker 3: Ked Gunnarson, respected law enforcement professional recently or retired now
1:25:40
Speaker 3: from the FBI, former Regional director of Los Angeles. Do you, sir,
1:25:44
Speaker 3: believe that these dreadful allegations of babies being sacrificed are true?
1:25:50
Speaker 7: I absolutely believe it without any doubt, based on the
1:25:53
Speaker 7: information that's been given to me across the country by
1:25:55
Speaker 7: numerous survivors and by confidential sources and informants.
1:25:59
Speaker 8: Then why didn't you know these people and arrest them?
1:26:01
Speaker 8: Never a name, never an arrest. These women come out
1:26:04
Speaker 8: of a group and they insist that they know the
1:26:07
Speaker 8: people in the group, and yet they do not identify
1:26:09
Speaker 8: these large, mysterious cults, name them and arrest them and
1:26:13
Speaker 8: get them off the.
1:26:13
Speaker 5: Se Does he not make a valid point.
1:26:15
Speaker 7: It makes a valid point. The problem with that is
1:26:17
Speaker 7: Number one, police officers.
1:26:18
Speaker 6: Don't believe it.
1:26:19
Speaker 7: I may believe it. You may believe it. Some people
1:26:21
Speaker 7: to your audience may believe it.
1:26:22
Speaker 1: They don't believe it.
1:26:23
Speaker 7: Number Two, if you decide to investigate these people, you
1:26:26
Speaker 7: have to Number one, handle it from an undercover operation.
1:26:28
Speaker 7: If you put an undercover operation into a fact, then
1:26:31
Speaker 7: you have in a sense, your own police officers become
1:26:34
Speaker 7: involved in these heinous crimes, and they are of course
1:26:37
Speaker 7: become murders. And in addition to that, if you do
1:26:40
Speaker 7: decide to investigate these people, there's a lot of work,
1:26:42
Speaker 7: and many law enforcement officers are apathetic and don't want
1:26:45
Speaker 7: to get involved.
1:26:46
Speaker 2: But even with all this information, nothing came of this,
1:26:49
Speaker 2: and eventually the Adams Thompsons and their daughter found themselves
1:26:52
Speaker 2: moving out of the state of California to attempt to
1:26:55
Speaker 2: begin a new life. At the time that this original
1:26:57
Speaker 2: article was published, the Adams Thompson's were stated at a
1:27:00
Speaker 2: post in Hawaii and said that their daughter's nightmares and
1:27:03
Speaker 2: bed wedding had stopped. They also said that their daughter
1:27:06
Speaker 2: had not given up. She still believes that somedays some
1:27:08
Speaker 2: judge will hear all the facts and do right by her.
1:27:11
Speaker 2: Michelle Adams Thompson, her mother, said, a lot of people
1:27:14
Speaker 2: were not as brave as her. But once again, if
1:27:17
Speaker 2: you think that that's the end of this story, it's not.
1:27:19
Speaker 2: At four forty five am on September twenty second, nineteen
1:27:22
Speaker 2: eighty seven, in the middle of this unfolding Presidio daycare scandal,
1:27:26
Speaker 2: just over a month after their raid on Michael Achino's
1:27:29
Speaker 2: Satanic temple, and when all this was reaching a fever pitch,
1:27:32
Speaker 2: a call came into the Presidio Fire Department. A building
1:27:35
Speaker 2: in the complex of structures at the Presidio that houses
1:27:38
Speaker 2: the daycare center was set on fire. By the time
1:27:41
Speaker 2: parents started dropping their children off at seven AM, the
1:27:44
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars fire had been extinguished. The Army
1:27:48
Speaker 2: Community Services building adjacent to the daycare center, which housed
1:27:52
Speaker 2: some of the daycare center's records, had been demolished by
1:27:55
Speaker 2: the flames, and, perhaps only coincidentally, maybe not, the fire
1:27:59
Speaker 2: occurred on the Tumnal Equinox, a major event on the
1:28:02
Speaker 2: Satanic calendar. An investigation of the fire by the army
1:28:06
Speaker 2: blamed the blaze on a faulty wire outlet, but that
1:28:09
Speaker 2: was just conjecture. I personally haven't come across any documents
1:28:12
Speaker 2: or information where they stated how they made this determination,
1:28:15
Speaker 2: and in fact, you can barely find any information about
1:28:18
Speaker 2: this fire, saved for a single newspaper article and the
1:28:21
Speaker 2: original report that I'm adapting here for this episode. But
1:28:24
Speaker 2: think about that for a second. A suspicious fire in
1:28:26
Speaker 2: the middle of these investigations and search warrants and allegations,
1:28:30
Speaker 2: A fire in a building that houses tons of records,
1:28:33
Speaker 2: who knows how top secret these records are dealing with
1:28:36
Speaker 2: the childcare center strange, But it seemed like the flames
1:28:39
Speaker 2: of hell were really heating up, because just three weeks later,
1:28:42
Speaker 2: fire struck again, this time at the daycare center itself.
1:28:46
Speaker 2: The fire was reported at four thirty am, and it
1:28:49
Speaker 2: caused fifty thousand dollars in damages to a daycare center
1:28:52
Speaker 2: building that housed four classrooms, including Gary Hambright's. It also
1:28:57
Speaker 2: damaged and destroyed any future crime scene or eviden that
1:29:00
Speaker 2: could have possibly been investigated. If the authorities actually would
1:29:03
Speaker 2: have ever acted on any of this. Now, faced with
1:29:05
Speaker 2: two fires, at this point, the Army called in the
1:29:08
Speaker 2: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for help. And here's
1:29:11
Speaker 2: where things get interesting. This new group of expert investigators
1:29:14
Speaker 2: found that both fires, contrary to the Army's finding, had
1:29:18
Speaker 2: been caused by arson. They also found cinders under a
1:29:21
Speaker 2: different building evidence of a third attempted but unsuccessful fire
1:29:25
Speaker 2: at the child development center. The Army later offered a
1:29:28
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars reward for any information about the arsonists,
1:29:31
Speaker 2: but to this day there were never any takers. And eventually,
1:29:35
Speaker 2: shortly after that last debilitating fire, right when all this
1:29:39
Speaker 2: stuff was heating up, in the middle of all these
1:29:41
Speaker 2: charges in swirling accusations, the building was demolished. So this
1:29:46
Speaker 2: wasn't after this whole thing finished up. This was in
1:29:49
Speaker 2: the middle of these investigations, when people were all still
1:29:52
Speaker 2: coming forward and parents were in the media begging for help.
1:29:55
Speaker 2: The child daycare center, child Development Center burns to the ground.
1:30:00
Speaker 2: H that's pretty weird if you ask me. On September thirtieth,
1:30:04
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven, eight days after the first fire and
1:30:07
Speaker 2: six months after the original charges had been dropped. Gary Hambright,
1:30:11
Speaker 2: the former Baptist minister and guy that all the allegations
1:30:14
Speaker 2: had been made against, was re indicted on charges involving
1:30:18
Speaker 2: ten children at the presidio. He was charged with ten
1:30:21
Speaker 2: counts of lewd and lascivious contact on and two counts
1:30:24
Speaker 2: of colchick. The indictment included the Tobin son who started
1:30:28
Speaker 2: this whole thing, but didn't include the original charge of
1:30:32
Speaker 2: that day, there was much backslapping at a press conference
1:30:34
Speaker 2: called by US Attorney Joseph Russinello to announce the charges.
1:30:38
Speaker 2: Press release said that the maximum penalty that might be
1:30:41
Speaker 2: imposed in this case is ninety six years in prison
1:30:43
Speaker 2: and the three million dollar five Surrounded by army brass
1:30:46
Speaker 2: from the presidio and several FBI agents, Russinello said there
1:30:50
Speaker 2: would be no more arrests, that despite the children's allegations,
1:30:53
Speaker 2: there were no other suspects. Ruscianello himself was an intelligence
1:30:56
Speaker 2: asset and a crooked guy, but we'll get to him later.
1:31:00
Speaker 2: He's done some really dark stuff in the past that
1:31:02
Speaker 2: we're also about to expose. But amidst all these events,
1:31:05
Speaker 2: even Gary Hambright, the main accused himself appeared to suggest
1:31:09
Speaker 2: that others had been involved in the At a press
1:31:12
Speaker 2: conference on October second, after he was arraigned, Gary Hambright,
1:31:16
Speaker 2: reading from a prepared statement, said that he was innocent
1:31:19
Speaker 2: of all the charges and added, I cannot understand why
1:31:22
Speaker 2: these allegations and falsehoods have been directed solely at me.
1:31:26
Speaker 2: This implies that there were others involved. This comment has never,
1:31:29
Speaker 2: though to my knowledge, been followed up on. Jeff Hanson,
1:31:32
Speaker 2: the assistant federal public defender who represented Gary Hambright at
1:31:36
Speaker 2: the time, refused to allow his client to answer any questions,
1:31:39
Speaker 2: a policy unbroken throughout the long months after the indictment.
1:31:42
Speaker 2: No one was allowed to ask Gary anything. Jeff Hanson denied, however,
1:31:46
Speaker 2: that Gary was referring to anyone else. Do you think
1:31:49
Speaker 2: he was threatened after that initial statement into remaining silent?
1:31:52
Speaker 2: Could he have been silenced or paid a midnight visit
1:31:54
Speaker 2: by a high level agent with a loaded weapon? God
1:31:57
Speaker 2: only knows. The parents of the victims at the time
1:32:00
Speaker 2: had many questions about the new indictment. Why only those
1:32:02
Speaker 2: ten children when there were dozens of total victims. Why
1:32:05
Speaker 2: only one child on the indictment who had medical evidence?
1:32:08
Speaker 2: Why did the indictment not include the children with such
1:32:10
Speaker 2: medical evidence such as missing and allegiance and why were
1:32:15
Speaker 2: the charges so vague? Yes, you heard that correctly. Over
1:32:18
Speaker 2: the course of all these investigations, in addition to the
1:32:21
Speaker 2: Tobin son who started this all off, other children had
1:32:24
Speaker 2: been physically examined for signs of CIB and those signs
1:32:27
Speaker 2: were discovered. They included missing hounds and releegions and tearing.
1:32:31
Speaker 2: But those kids weren't included in this indictment for some reason,
1:32:35
Speaker 2: even though they had made allegations against the same abs.
1:32:38
Speaker 2: Rather than specifying the actual crimes allegedly committed on the children,
1:32:41
Speaker 2: ten of the twelve charges were for committing lewde and
1:32:44
Speaker 2: lascivious acts. The other two charges, involving the Tobin son
1:32:48
Speaker 2: and the boy who was abused on his birthday were
1:32:52
Speaker 2: In addition, Gary Hambright no longer was charged with the
1:32:55
Speaker 2: Tobin son, even though he had been examined almost immediately
1:32:59
Speaker 2: after making the those first allegations and was found to
1:33:02
Speaker 2: have had damage to his The Tobin son, the only
1:33:05
Speaker 2: child with medical evidence on the indictment, was included because
1:33:08
Speaker 2: he had been examined by CASARC by a non army
1:33:11
Speaker 2: doctor off post. As it turned out, cooperation between the
1:33:15
Speaker 2: Army and the U S Attorney had been very weak
1:33:17
Speaker 2: from the very beginning. Remember those five children that all
1:33:20
Speaker 2: tested positive for chlamydia, that all claimed that they had
1:33:23
Speaker 2: been abused by adults of the daycare center. Well, it
1:33:26
Speaker 2: was ruled that the cases of chlamydia could not be
1:33:28
Speaker 2: used as evidence because apparently the rank kind of culture
1:33:32
Speaker 2: had not been taken at Letterman Army Medical Center. When
1:33:35
Speaker 2: one couple called the US Attorney's office to ask if
1:33:38
Speaker 2: they should take their children for another culture, the answer
1:33:40
Speaker 2: was n The reason for why they weren't allowed to
1:33:43
Speaker 2: retest their children for STDs in order to prove their
1:33:46
Speaker 2: allegations of abos was never made clear, so they ruled
1:33:49
Speaker 2: it inadmissible. All these positive STD tests inadmissible because of
1:33:53
Speaker 2: a very specific technicality. Then, when these concerned parents asked
1:33:58
Speaker 2: if they could, you know, embrace that technicality and get
1:34:00
Speaker 2: their children retested, they just simply said no. Why. Assistant
1:34:05
Speaker 2: US Attorney Peter Robinson, who had been brought in by
1:34:08
Speaker 2: then to assist Susan Gray, said those ten children had
1:34:11
Speaker 2: been chosen from the more than sixty victims because they
1:34:13
Speaker 2: would make the best witnesses. They were basically saying that
1:34:16
Speaker 2: they believed ten victims and that the other fifty plus
1:34:19
Speaker 2: victims could possibly have just been making it all up.
1:34:22
Speaker 2: In February, Assistant US Attorney Gray, now teamed with Assistant
1:34:25
Speaker 2: US Attorney eb Luckele, asked the charges involving four of
1:34:28
Speaker 2: the children be dismissed because of problems with the children's testimony.
1:34:32
Speaker 2: It seemed like the cover up was already up and running,
1:34:34
Speaker 2: and investigators were deliberately attempting to poke holes in the
1:34:38
Speaker 2: children's stories to destabilize and bring their testimonies into question.
1:34:42
Speaker 2: Later in the month, Judge Schwartzer dismissed all but one
1:34:44
Speaker 2: of the remaining counts because the chargers weren't too vague.
1:34:47
Speaker 2: Gray and Robinson had submitted a two page document listing
1:34:50
Speaker 2: a series of dates on which the allegedly occurred for
1:34:54
Speaker 2: each child, but did nothing further dispel out the accusations.
1:34:57
Speaker 2: This was in direct contrast to the testimony and in
1:34:59
Speaker 2: from that it is publicly known that the authorities had
1:35:02
Speaker 2: the testimony of feces parties the allegations of hardcore ritualistic
1:35:07
Speaker 2: effects of weapons being pointed at young victims during assaults.
1:35:10
Speaker 2: They had all this information, but the authorities had done
1:35:13
Speaker 2: everything in their power at this point to tear down
1:35:16
Speaker 2: this case before it could be prosecuted, and they'd done
1:35:18
Speaker 2: an excellent expert job at that. The only remaining witness
1:35:22
Speaker 2: on the indictment, the Tobin son, was also eventually removed
1:35:26
Speaker 2: from the case a short time later, on the advice
1:35:28
Speaker 2: of the boy's therapist. He claimed that he didn't want
1:35:31
Speaker 2: the young child to have to go through all of
1:35:32
Speaker 2: this again, and so they withdrew him from the case.
1:35:36
Speaker 2: And with that, Gary Hambright, the accused, was a freeman again.
1:35:41
Speaker 2: He had now beaten two rounds of accusations that had
1:35:43
Speaker 2: ramped up in depending charges, and he was allowed to
1:35:46
Speaker 2: walk free. You see, the strategy for a simple case
1:35:50
Speaker 2: had failed once again. Gray, the daughter of a district
1:35:53
Speaker 2: court judge, was documented at the time to have never
1:35:56
Speaker 2: before handled a child's case. Was her first, and she
1:36:01
Speaker 2: seemingly got anything and everything in the case wrong. The
1:36:04
Speaker 2: Presidio case, in fact, was believed to be the first
1:36:07
Speaker 2: such case of its kind handled by the US Attorney's
1:36:09
Speaker 2: Office in San Francisco, and they butchered the entire thing
1:36:12
Speaker 2: from tom to bottom. Gray had worked long and hard
1:36:15
Speaker 2: on the case, but confined her efforts to the law library.
1:36:18
Speaker 2: Neither Gray nor anyone else in the US Attorney's Office
1:36:20
Speaker 2: saw the need at any point to hire experts on
1:36:23
Speaker 2: CHILDI cases until about two months before the end of
1:36:26
Speaker 2: this entire affair. Yes, no one on any of these
1:36:29
Speaker 2: teams reached out to experts. No one tried to bring
1:36:32
Speaker 2: in other professionals who could help, who could analyze the
1:36:35
Speaker 2: children and the allegations. There had been a telephone consultation
1:36:38
Speaker 2: with doctor Roland Summit, an associate clinical psychiatrist at Harbor
1:36:42
Speaker 2: UCLA Medical Center and a consultant in major six cases
1:36:46
Speaker 2: around the country, but that was it, he said, I
1:36:48
Speaker 2: reviewed some early documents in the case. On the basis
1:36:51
Speaker 2: of the documents, they didn't want to go to court.
1:36:53
Speaker 2: There were too many allegations of weirdness and ritual without
1:36:56
Speaker 2: enough corroborating evidence. It is that kind of thing so
1:36:59
Speaker 2: far that is fatal to effective prosecution. End quote. Doctor
1:37:02
Speaker 2: Rowland Summit, who has consulted on a number of ritual cases,
1:37:06
Speaker 2: said that the failure in such cases is a scandal.
1:37:09
Speaker 2: That we have to see some sort of material proof
1:37:11
Speaker 2: to get any sincere concern to what three hundred to
1:37:13
Speaker 2: five hundred children have sworn in the midst of terror
1:37:16
Speaker 2: was real. If you had three hundred adults in any circumstance,
1:37:20
Speaker 2: wherever they were assembled, who would describe the same phenomenon,
1:37:23
Speaker 2: Nobody would want to believe it. But I don't think
1:37:25
Speaker 2: the justice system could possibly be that indifferent. The smart
1:37:28
Speaker 2: move for any attorneys to stay away from it and
1:37:30
Speaker 2: try to sneak through by selecting witnesses who don't talk
1:37:33
Speaker 2: about it. Are you going to put somebody in jail
1:37:35
Speaker 2: on the word of a little kid? He was quoted
1:37:37
Speaker 2: as saying failure to consult with the experts haunted the
1:37:40
Speaker 2: case from beginning to end. By the time the children
1:37:42
Speaker 2: had been in therapy long enough and felt comfortable enough
1:37:45
Speaker 2: to talk about some of the more bizarre aspects of
1:37:47
Speaker 2: the case, Prosecutor Gray was adamant that she could not
1:37:50
Speaker 2: take such things before a jury. She sat right here
1:37:52
Speaker 2: on that couch, and she said she couldn't take that
1:37:54
Speaker 2: before a jury, said one mother. Gray in the wake
1:37:57
Speaker 2: of this affair, refuses to discuss the case, stayed silent
1:38:00
Speaker 2: and to my knowledge personally, has never spoken about the
1:38:04
Speaker 2: Presidio affair again. It seems that everyone involved in these
1:38:07
Speaker 2: horrific events has been sworn to secrecy or threatened into silence.
1:38:11
Speaker 2: Gray's colleague, Assistant US Attorney Luckle, said that the case
1:38:14
Speaker 2: fell apart at the end because in the final analysis,
1:38:17
Speaker 2: when we reviewed the cases we had where there was
1:38:19
Speaker 2: a child who was prepared to go to court and
1:38:21
Speaker 2: was prepared to tell us what happened and described something
1:38:23
Speaker 2: that actually occurred at the presidio as opposed to off base,
1:38:27
Speaker 2: there wasn't much to consider. According to Lucal, the US
1:38:29
Speaker 2: Attorney's office had decided that federal jurisdiction in the case
1:38:33
Speaker 2: ended at the boundaries of the presidio. That meant that
1:38:36
Speaker 2: even though some of the allegations involved children being taken
1:38:39
Speaker 2: off post by Gary Hambright, they were not a part
1:38:42
Speaker 2: of the federal case. When we got right down to it,
1:38:44
Speaker 2: there were just a couple of possible cases where federal
1:38:46
Speaker 2: jurisdiction existed, Luckle said, our decision was that we could
1:38:49
Speaker 2: only prosecute fracts that occurred at the presidio, which is
1:38:52
Speaker 2: stupid as hell and an easy way to cover stuff up.
1:38:55
Speaker 2: Since San Francisco police concentrated their efforts on investigating Michael
1:38:59
Speaker 2: Aquino and essentially Michael Aquino alone. That meant that many
1:39:02
Speaker 2: of the children's allegations fell through the legal cracks. More
1:39:05
Speaker 2: than sixty children were sally abbressed, and they almost admitted
1:39:09
Speaker 2: that that was true, but they just weren't at the
1:39:11
Speaker 2: right location, according to the prosecutors. So as the Presidio
1:39:15
Speaker 2: case closed, we would not reopen it absent the discovery
1:39:18
Speaker 2: of new evidence, Luckel said, And this was in nineteen
1:39:21
Speaker 2: eighty eight. The statute of limitations for this case is
1:39:24
Speaker 2: five years. That means that the ability to prosecute this
1:39:27
Speaker 2: case essentially almost vanished in nineteen ninety three. On April nineteenth,
1:39:32
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight, the Army held an open house for
1:39:35
Speaker 2: a new two point three million dollar daycare center at
1:39:37
Speaker 2: the Presidio campus. That same day, several parents held a
1:39:41
Speaker 2: press conference to protest the closing of the federal case.
1:39:44
Speaker 2: They refused to be silenced. We feel that it's vitally
1:39:47
Speaker 2: important that parents everywhere realized these things really happened, the
1:39:51
Speaker 2: parents said in a prepared statement. Cases such as this
1:39:53
Speaker 2: are being successfully prosecuted across the country at the state level.
1:39:57
Speaker 2: Why have mister Rusinello in the entire federal c STAM
1:40:00
Speaker 2: and failed to learn from these successes, they said. Referring
1:40:03
Speaker 2: to the victims, the parents said, all have made statements
1:40:06
Speaker 2: that they were They have psychological evidence of abients, and
1:40:09
Speaker 2: many have documented medical evidence of including s and venereal disease.
1:40:15
Speaker 2: But all their cries, all their police fell on deaf ears.
1:40:18
Speaker 2: The criminal case is closed, but by June of nineteen
1:40:20
Speaker 2: eighty eight, the parents of twenty three children had filed
1:40:23
Speaker 2: fifty five million dollars in claims against the Army, the
1:40:26
Speaker 2: first step toward filing a civil suit against the government
1:40:28
Speaker 2: alleging negligence that led to the Eventually that number swelled
1:40:32
Speaker 2: to seventy four million dollars in claims, but nothing ever
1:40:36
Speaker 2: really came from it. There was no justice, there were
1:40:38
Speaker 2: no big payouts, there was no guilt. Admit it. In
1:40:41
Speaker 2: December of nineteen eighty seven, the Army reassigned several people
1:40:44
Speaker 2: connected with the case, including Lieutenant Colonel Walter Meyer, the
1:40:47
Speaker 2: director of Personnel and Community Activities, and John Gunnerson, the
1:40:51
Speaker 2: director of Child Development Services responsible for supervising the day
1:40:55
Speaker 2: to day operations at the center. Diana Curl, the daycare
1:40:58
Speaker 2: center director who heard those first allegations resigned, and in
1:41:02
Speaker 2: late June nineteen eighty eight, Gary Hambright was still trying
1:41:05
Speaker 2: to decide where he wanted to settle, and friends of
1:41:07
Speaker 2: his claimed he was in and out of San Francisco.
1:41:10
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety, Gary Hambright died of AIDS. He never
1:41:14
Speaker 2: served a single day in prison for the motion of
1:41:17
Speaker 2: those children that he had allegedly participated in. Here's a
1:41:19
Speaker 2: newspaper article written by the same reporter, Linda Goldston, about
1:41:23
Speaker 2: Gary upon his death. A former civilian employee of the center,
1:41:27
Speaker 2: Gary apparently tried to keep his illness secret. When questioned
1:41:30
Speaker 2: by The Mercury News last spring, he denied he was
1:41:32
Speaker 2: ill and said I'm going to have to refer you
1:41:34
Speaker 2: to my attorneys on that. His death certificate, which was
1:41:37
Speaker 2: filed in Washington State, lists acquired immune deficiency syndrome as
1:41:41
Speaker 2: the cause of death. The time between onset of the
1:41:44
Speaker 2: disease and death was listed as years. It's not the
1:41:47
Speaker 2: first time that parents involved in the case have worried
1:41:49
Speaker 2: that their children may have been exposed to the AIDS virus.
1:41:52
Speaker 2: Shortly after the case broke, one boy's preliminary test came
1:41:55
Speaker 2: back positive, but further tests revealed that the child did
1:41:58
Speaker 2: not have the disease, and the issue she was dropped.
1:42:01
Speaker 2: Last spring, Army officials recommended that children be tested for
1:42:04
Speaker 2: the AIDS virus, citing a rumor that a suspect in
1:42:07
Speaker 2: the case had the disease. We tested every kid that
1:42:09
Speaker 2: was brought in, said presidio spokesman Bob Mahoney. That was
1:42:12
Speaker 2: done worldwide because the victims and their families were all dispersed.
1:42:16
Speaker 2: Officials have said confidentiality laws prevent them from discussing either
1:42:19
Speaker 2: the number of children tested or the results of those tests.
1:42:23
Speaker 2: Mahoney said Thursday that it would be inappropriate to comment
1:42:26
Speaker 2: on Hambright's death. Jeff Hansen and Nancy Clarence, the federal
1:42:29
Speaker 2: public defenders who represented Hambright, said they both genuinely regret
1:42:33
Speaker 2: the news of Gary's death were deeply sorry that he
1:42:36
Speaker 2: spent the last years of his life fighting baseless charges.
1:42:40
Speaker 2: US Attorney Joseph Roussinello made the decision not to prosecute
1:42:44
Speaker 2: the case in nineteen eighty eight, after a federal judge
1:42:46
Speaker 2: dismissed the second set of charges because they were too vague.
1:42:50
Speaker 2: Rouzanello's decision later drew sharp criticism from a Congressional Subcommittee.
1:42:54
Speaker 2: He could not be reached Thursday for comment. In addition
1:42:57
Speaker 2: to the allegations of presidio, three arson fires were set
1:43:01
Speaker 2: at the daycare center and five children were diagnosed with
1:43:03
Speaker 2: chlamydia as transmitted disease. Since the case began, parents have
1:43:07
Speaker 2: accused authorities of attempting to cover up the allegations of events,
1:43:11
Speaker 2: including the number of victims. Parents have maintained that more
1:43:14
Speaker 2: than sixty children were one. FBI documents said as many
1:43:17
Speaker 2: as one hundred and two children may have been victimized.
1:43:20
Speaker 2: The Army has refused to say how many cases were reported.
1:43:23
Speaker 2: The case that so many did not want to believe
1:43:25
Speaker 2: is still very much alive in the nightmares and still
1:43:28
Speaker 2: acting out that continue for many children, and the jarring
1:43:31
Speaker 2: statements that come suddenly out of nowhere, such as the
1:43:34
Speaker 2: four year old girl attached to the case who sat
1:43:36
Speaker 2: at her kitchen table a few months ago and told
1:43:39
Speaker 2: her mother that she wanted to with a knife. Other
1:43:42
Speaker 2: children who claim they were now say that they hate
1:43:45
Speaker 2: themselves to their parents. One six year old girl who
1:43:48
Speaker 2: was a victim was playing with modeling clay at school
1:43:50
Speaker 2: one day when she suddenly started stabbing it. Mister Gary
1:43:54
Speaker 2: is bad, and I'm bad because I let them do it,
1:43:56
Speaker 2: she told her teacher. People keep telling us we've got
1:43:58
Speaker 2: to let it go. Just forget about and go on,
1:44:01
Speaker 2: said parent Gretchen Runyon. Two of the Runyan's four daughters
1:44:04
Speaker 2: were among the victims. Both had confirmed cases of chlamydia
1:44:07
Speaker 2: three weeks ago. Our youngest daughter was having nightmares, and
1:44:10
Speaker 2: our other daughter was closing out the whole world, going
1:44:12
Speaker 2: to her room and sitting there with no radio, no TV,
1:44:15
Speaker 2: no nothing. Tell me it's over. And that is kind
1:44:19
Speaker 2: of really at the end of our Presidio store. And
1:44:21
Speaker 2: this was a lot longer than I thought it was
1:44:23
Speaker 2: going to be. But I hope you guys can appreciate
1:44:25
Speaker 2: the level of detail that we went into this whole thing.
1:44:28
Speaker 2: So you can either view this whole thing as going
1:44:30
Speaker 2: one of two ways. Either the happened or it didn't happen.
1:44:34
Speaker 2: After taking in all this evidence that I've presented you
1:44:36
Speaker 2: with and listening to these stories, if you still don't
1:44:39
Speaker 2: believe that a single child was just on the Presidio campus,
1:44:43
Speaker 2: then I simply just don't know what to tell you.
1:44:45
Speaker 2: There's so many things that just don't add up with
1:44:48
Speaker 2: the official story here. There's the fact that a victim
1:44:50
Speaker 2: picked out Michael Achino and his wife on the street
1:44:53
Speaker 2: and identified them by name. There's the fact that multiple
1:44:55
Speaker 2: parents and employees witnessed on the campus of the Presidio,
1:44:59
Speaker 2: tried to raise alarm about it and were silenced. There's
1:45:02
Speaker 2: the fact that a man in a black hooded cape
1:45:04
Speaker 2: were seen by police officers running around the Presidio campus
1:45:07
Speaker 2: late at night with a little girl by their side.
1:45:10
Speaker 2: There's no weird cult graffiti, the melted candles and the
1:45:13
Speaker 2: obvious signs of rituals that were taking place in the
1:45:16
Speaker 2: abandoned buildings on the Presidio campus. The victim who identified
1:45:20
Speaker 2: Michael Achino's house while walking down the street, the search
1:45:23
Speaker 2: warrant that was executed on the Achino's home that corroborated
1:45:26
Speaker 2: victim's stories. How exactly were these children able to identify
1:45:30
Speaker 2: very strange and distinct items and features inside of a
1:45:33
Speaker 2: home where they had supposedly never been before. There's also
1:45:36
Speaker 2: the case of the chlamydia, the allegations just in general
1:45:39
Speaker 2: from the children, the fire that completely destroyed the daycare
1:45:43
Speaker 2: center in the middle of the investigation, and all of
1:45:45
Speaker 2: the evidence everything else that just didn't add up. All
1:45:48
Speaker 2: the statements from people saying don't look into this, the
1:45:51
Speaker 2: people saying this was never looked into, the people that
1:45:54
Speaker 2: were lent go let free, the charges that were dropped.
1:45:57
Speaker 2: I mean, all of that stuff is so crazy and
1:45:59
Speaker 2: so and yet, according to the official story, the story
1:46:04
Speaker 2: that the government would tell you today, not one single
1:46:08
Speaker 2: child was at the presidio during this affair. But there
1:46:12
Speaker 2: were still other people involved in these cases that had
1:46:15
Speaker 2: yet to share their stories, people that would speak publicly
1:46:17
Speaker 2: about these events. For example, there's an interview with a
1:46:20
Speaker 2: woman named Cynthia Angel, a local lawyer in the area
1:46:23
Speaker 2: at the time, who was interviewed in the book Children
1:46:25
Speaker 2: for the Devil by Tim Tait. Here's an excerpt of
1:46:28
Speaker 2: her interview. She said that January in nineteen eighty eight,
1:46:31
Speaker 2: I became involved in a civil lawsuit. I represented a
1:46:34
Speaker 2: man who was fighting his ex wife for custody of
1:46:36
Speaker 2: his children, a five year old boy and his three
1:46:38
Speaker 2: year old sister. Sometime into the proceedings, the children showed
1:46:41
Speaker 2: evidence that they had been se abused. The little girl,
1:46:44
Speaker 2: in particular, showed medical signs that were consistent with an
1:46:47
Speaker 2: object being forced inside her. She had two lacerations inside her,
1:46:51
Speaker 2: and the pediatricians said there was no possibility of them
1:46:54
Speaker 2: being self inflicted since they would have caused extreme pain.
1:46:58
Speaker 2: Her brothers showed strong psychological signs of a severe traumatization,
1:47:02
Speaker 2: and it gradually emerged in counseling that both had been
1:47:04
Speaker 2: ritually They started describing horrendous acts that they had been
1:47:08
Speaker 2: forced to take part in. They had still with animals.
1:47:11
Speaker 2: They described being forced to drink blood. They also talked
1:47:13
Speaker 2: about witnessing people being killed and having their blood drained
1:47:16
Speaker 2: from them. The children had been at the Presidio daycare center,
1:47:20
Speaker 2: and so I began asking about the facility there. I
1:47:23
Speaker 2: was vaguely aware that there had been allegations of rituals
1:47:26
Speaker 2: at the center, but I couldn't be sure that these
1:47:28
Speaker 2: children described to their therapists actually took place there. The
1:47:32
Speaker 2: kids said a man named Michael Keno was present and
1:47:35
Speaker 2: involved in the ceremonies they had been forced to attend.
1:47:37
Speaker 2: They told their mother this, and since I had made
1:47:40
Speaker 2: enquiries about the Presidio and come up with the name
1:47:42
Speaker 2: of Michael Achino, I asked the mother to confirm the details.
1:47:46
Speaker 2: She refused, and so I was left having to call
1:47:48
Speaker 2: as a witness when the case went to trial. When
1:47:50
Speaker 2: the case went to trial, the person who had reported
1:47:52
Speaker 2: the disclosure in the first place. Simultaneously I made formal
1:47:56
Speaker 2: enquiries about issuing a subpoena to get Michael Achino in
1:47:59
Speaker 2: court and on the stand. I have no way of
1:48:01
Speaker 2: knowing if he was genuinely involved in the event. I
1:48:04
Speaker 2: do know, however, that the children were in the Presidio
1:48:06
Speaker 2: daycare center and identified someone who appeared to be him.
1:48:09
Speaker 2: The case was due to go to start on February first,
1:48:12
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine. The night before that first hearing, I
1:48:14
Speaker 2: got a telephone call from a woman who was going
1:48:17
Speaker 2: to be a key witness. She asked me to meet
1:48:19
Speaker 2: her at a restaurant on the main street here in
1:48:21
Speaker 2: Red Bluff because she had some important information for me.
1:48:24
Speaker 2: I agreed, got in my car and drove downtown. When
1:48:27
Speaker 2: I got to the restaurant, she wasn't there. But before
1:48:29
Speaker 2: I could even get out of the car, two men
1:48:31
Speaker 2: got in through the passenger side. One pointed a gun
1:48:33
Speaker 2: at my head and told me to drive out of town.
1:48:36
Speaker 2: I was made to drive about four miles out of town,
1:48:38
Speaker 2: and at that point I was blindfolded and put into
1:48:41
Speaker 2: a second car and driven somewhere else. During the course
1:48:43
Speaker 2: of this kidnapping, which lasted about three hours in total,
1:48:46
Speaker 2: I was told that I was investigating things that I
1:48:49
Speaker 2: shouldn't be investigating, and that if I continued with it,
1:48:52
Speaker 2: I would be killed. During this kidnapping, Cynthia alleged that
1:48:55
Speaker 2: she was shown photographs and videos that were meant to
1:48:58
Speaker 2: threaten her into keeping silent. She stated the picture was
1:49:01
Speaker 2: of an its skin had been partially peeled away, and
1:49:05
Speaker 2: the men made it clear that the child had been
1:49:07
Speaker 2: killed in a Satanic ritual. The tape seemed to back
1:49:09
Speaker 2: this up. It contained children's voices, children crying and adults chanting.
1:49:14
Speaker 2: The chanting was not articulate. I mean, I couldn't tell
1:49:17
Speaker 2: you what they said, but the men made it clear
1:49:19
Speaker 2: that this was a Satanic ritual and that I should
1:49:21
Speaker 2: stop investigating Satanism if I wanted to stay alive. They
1:49:25
Speaker 2: also said that if I told anyone what I saw
1:49:27
Speaker 2: that night, or if I reported the kidnapping to the authorities,
1:49:30
Speaker 2: they would surely kill me. I was terrified, of course,
1:49:33
Speaker 2: but I felt I had to report it and I
1:49:34
Speaker 2: had to carry on with the case. The kidnapping was
1:49:37
Speaker 2: reported in local news outlets at the time, but nothing
1:49:39
Speaker 2: ever came out of it. In fact, here's another newspaper
1:49:42
Speaker 2: report detailing the search for the kidnappers. A reward of
1:49:45
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars is offered for the arrest and conviction
1:49:48
Speaker 2: of a man who allegedly adopted a Red Bluff attorney
1:49:51
Speaker 2: at gunpoint in a child custody case that may be
1:49:53
Speaker 2: linked to Satanism and ritualistic that's the only motive we
1:49:57
Speaker 2: can see, Red Bluff Detective Ted Wiley said today of
1:49:59
Speaker 2: the February second kidnapping of Cynthia Angel. Missus Angel and
1:50:03
Speaker 2: her husband, Anthony Edwards, also an attorney, are offering the reward.
1:50:07
Speaker 2: The man allegedly threatened miss Angel's life several times if
1:50:10
Speaker 2: she continued to investigate links between a Tahamma County child
1:50:13
Speaker 2: custody case and the San Francisco Bay Area Children's day school.
1:50:16
Speaker 2: The man told Miss Angel that she was investigating something
1:50:19
Speaker 2: that she couldn't and showed her a photograph of a
1:50:21
Speaker 2: baby whose skin had been partially removed. Wiley said it
1:50:24
Speaker 2: looked like it could have been an autopsy photo, but
1:50:27
Speaker 2: the man said it was a child who had been
1:50:28
Speaker 2: killed during a satanic ritual. Missus Angel told police neither
1:50:31
Speaker 2: miss Angel nor red buff Police detective Ted Wildie would
1:50:34
Speaker 2: disclose further details of the child custody case. Today, however,
1:50:38
Speaker 2: Wiley said a composite drawing and description of the man
1:50:41
Speaker 2: who allegedly kidnapped Missus Angel resembles a man reportedly involved
1:50:46
Speaker 2: in a case in which a child or doll was
1:50:48
Speaker 2: seen from a signpost on Kirkwood Road near Corning on
1:50:52
Speaker 2: July twenty ninth, nineteen eighty seven. In that case, a
1:50:55
Speaker 2: man who identified himself as a police officer told a
1:50:58
Speaker 2: concerned citizen that everything was under control, while another man
1:51:01
Speaker 2: and woman removed the child or doll from the sign post.
1:51:05
Speaker 2: Very bizarre. So this is me breaking out an article
1:51:07
Speaker 2: another case of weird shit people. A concerned citizen saw
1:51:11
Speaker 2: like a from a signpost, like a street sign, what
1:51:14
Speaker 2: looked like either a dead little child or a baby
1:51:18
Speaker 2: doll from that sign post, and when they went up
1:51:23
Speaker 2: to try to figure out what was happening, someone identified
1:51:25
Speaker 2: themselves as a police officer, and a man and woman
1:51:28
Speaker 2: were seen removing the thing from the signpost. Really weird.
1:51:31
Speaker 2: Police artist Marjorie Casebeer initially noticed similarities between suspects and
1:51:35
Speaker 2: the two cases as she was drawing the man miss
1:51:37
Speaker 2: Angel described to Hama County Sheriff's Captain Alan Grove said
1:51:41
Speaker 2: today there are some dissimilarities between the two composite drawings,
1:51:44
Speaker 2: but would not rule out that the two suspects could
1:51:46
Speaker 2: be the same man. The case is definitely still open,
1:51:49
Speaker 2: Grove said. On February tewod, on a Satanic holiday called
1:51:53
Speaker 2: Candle Mass, miss Angel arranged to meet a potential witness
1:51:56
Speaker 2: at a Red Bluff restaurant for lunch. When she arrived
1:51:59
Speaker 2: at the restaurant, a man she did not recognize entered
1:52:01
Speaker 2: her car, pulled a pistol and ordered her to drive
1:52:03
Speaker 2: to Darryville. And you know the rest of what happened.
1:52:06
Speaker 2: So that's insane, but it still gets weirder. It appears
1:52:09
Speaker 2: to this day individuals connected to the presidio A case
1:52:13
Speaker 2: are still afraid to speak out. For example, citing his
1:52:16
Speaker 2: article do what Thou Wilt Satanism in the Temple of
1:52:18
Speaker 2: Set from September October nineteen ninety five, in the heighte
1:52:22
Speaker 2: Ashbury Free Press, reporter David Hoffman claimed the following about
1:52:26
Speaker 2: a man who seemed to be Glenn Pamfloff, an infamous
1:52:29
Speaker 2: detective in San Francisco. Quote. As recently as nineteen ninety five,
1:52:33
Speaker 2: the SFPD detective in charge who I interviewed, was still
1:52:36
Speaker 2: too frightened to reveal details of the case end quote.
1:52:39
Speaker 2: And this silence has carried on to the present day.
1:52:42
Speaker 2: In fact, in twenty seventeen, some independent journalists attempted to
1:52:45
Speaker 2: gather any information that they could about the Presidio scandal
1:52:48
Speaker 2: by filing a Freedom of Information Act request, a request
1:52:52
Speaker 2: which should have allowed them access to the files and documents, because,
1:52:55
Speaker 2: according to the authorities, the case is closed. However, this
1:52:59
Speaker 2: was the response that were given. Quote. The SFPD replied
1:53:03
Speaker 2: to your public records request on October eleventh, twenty seventeen,
1:53:06
Speaker 2: via gov QA, the SFPD's Public Records portal. You were
1:53:10
Speaker 2: notified that the case you are inquiring into is open
1:53:13
Speaker 2: at this time and that any records are exempted from
1:53:15
Speaker 2: release under California Government Code Section sixty two fifty four f.
1:53:19
Speaker 2: On February fifteenth, twenty seventeen, you contacted legal assistant Elsa
1:53:23
Speaker 2: Campos to inquire into the sfpds denial to release any
1:53:27
Speaker 2: records to you pertaining to the investigation of child that
1:53:30
Speaker 2: the Presidio Child Development Center during the nineteen eighties. Miss
1:53:33
Speaker 2: Campos advised you that she must consult with her superiors
1:53:36
Speaker 2: before providing you with any further information. Please be advised
1:53:40
Speaker 2: that although this case is currently closed slash inactive, it
1:53:43
Speaker 2: can potentially be reopened in the future if other victims
1:53:45
Speaker 2: come forward. Therefore, the SFPD cannot jeopardize any potential future
1:53:50
Speaker 2: investigation by releasing case information. During your conversation with Miss Campos,
1:53:54
Speaker 2: you also inquired into the fact that the statute of
1:53:57
Speaker 2: limitations for the case has expired and therefore case information
1:54:00
Speaker 2: should be releasable. Please note that the statute of limitations
1:54:04
Speaker 2: is five years from the time the sale assault is
1:54:06
Speaker 2: reported to the authorities, so for those victims that have
1:54:09
Speaker 2: not come forward, they still have the right to absolute privacy. Furthermore,
1:54:12
Speaker 2: the SFPD has ultimately determined that the information you requested
1:54:16
Speaker 2: will not be released to you because the case you're
1:54:18
Speaker 2: inquiring into involves the alleged juvenile victims and information cannot
1:54:24
Speaker 2: be released without a court order. Very strange, right, I
1:54:28
Speaker 2: thought that nothing happened there. Very very bizarre. It's a
1:54:33
Speaker 2: very ingenious to fest for them. When you say, oh,
1:54:37
Speaker 2: this case could be open in the future. It's closed
1:54:39
Speaker 2: right now. Like we said, nothing happened. But just in
1:54:42
Speaker 2: case one of these victims ever comes back, we can't
1:54:45
Speaker 2: share any information with you. Just in case. Oh, and
1:54:48
Speaker 2: you're talking about the statute of limitations, Well, here's a
1:54:51
Speaker 2: little loophole. And also, on top of all that stuff,
1:54:54
Speaker 2: it's a juvenile claim, so we're just not going to
1:54:57
Speaker 2: share it with you. There's also this excerpt from the
1:54:59
Speaker 2: book Painted Black by Karl Rashki, which discusses the Presidio case.
1:55:03
Speaker 2: Those particular charges were later dropped against Aquino and his associate.
1:55:07
Speaker 2: Parents of the children who were allegedly said it was
1:55:09
Speaker 2: because of strong pressure from the army on the federal
1:55:12
Speaker 2: investigators and the San Francisco Police prosecutors blamed the well
1:55:16
Speaker 2: known difficulties of prosecuting childish cases in the first place.
1:55:19
Speaker 2: But just before this book went to press, however, authoritative
1:55:23
Speaker 2: sources within the military who requested anonymity, reported that another
1:55:27
Speaker 2: investigation of Aquino had been opened by civilian law enforcement
1:55:31
Speaker 2: in California. In addition, in the same book, the author
1:55:33
Speaker 2: posits twenty two families filed sixty six million dollars in
1:55:37
Speaker 2: personal injury claims against the Army in connection with the
1:55:39
Speaker 2: presidio case. Although charges against Aquino were dismissed, Gary Hambright,
1:55:43
Speaker 2: who was arraigned in the case, pleaded innocent and suggested
1:55:46
Speaker 2: he might be taking the wrap for others possibly involved
1:55:49
Speaker 2: in the alleged After long legal maneuvering and bickering between
1:55:53
Speaker 2: Army and federal investigators and the San Francisco Police, the
1:55:56
Speaker 2: case against Hambright was shelved as well. So at the
1:56:00
Speaker 2: end of the day, what do you make of this?
1:56:03
Speaker 2: Do you believe that Michael Aquino was an innocent man?
1:56:07
Speaker 2: He died in twenty twenty? Which direction do you think
1:56:10
Speaker 2: he was sent to? Do you believe that there really
1:56:13
Speaker 2: wasn't a single child to the presidio as these official
1:56:17
Speaker 2: documents claim? There are just so many questions here that
1:56:19
Speaker 2: remain unanswered, questions that I've already gone over with y'all.
1:56:23
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, I personally know
1:56:26
Speaker 2: that those children were I tend to believe victims, and
1:56:32
Speaker 2: I've been trying to use my platform here to advocate
1:56:36
Speaker 2: for not only the rights of children, but for truth
1:56:39
Speaker 2: and transparency in the government, Because no matter what political
1:56:43
Speaker 2: party you're in. No matter what political party you're affiliated with,
1:56:46
Speaker 2: we're not talking about politics at this point. What we're
1:56:49
Speaker 2: talking about is these Epstein level bastards that are trafficking children,
1:56:56
Speaker 2: that are allegedly at these different things, engaging in riches
1:57:00
Speaker 2: and dark magic and evil stuff. These leaders that might
1:57:04
Speaker 2: seem Christian on the outside, but behind closed doors are
1:57:07
Speaker 2: like taking part in allegedly the murders of children and
1:57:11
Speaker 2: the desecration of innocence. That's horrific stuff. And I don't
1:57:15
Speaker 2: care what political party you're affiliated with. It's not just
1:57:18
Speaker 2: one party that's engaged in this sort of activity, it's
1:57:21
Speaker 2: both of them. I don't know if anything will ever
1:57:24
Speaker 2: be revealed from the Presidio case because truly google it yourself. Hey,
1:57:28
Speaker 2: there's no like real Wikipedia page or anything about the
1:57:32
Speaker 2: Presidio affair. And on top of that, it's just officially
1:57:35
Speaker 2: been declared a hoax. Like I've talked to people about
1:57:38
Speaker 2: it who have said, hah, that's so fake, Like, oh,
1:57:41
Speaker 2: it's just devil worshippers, Satanic panic. I've thought about that
1:57:44
Speaker 2: many times. I used to buy completely into the Satanic
1:57:48
Speaker 2: panic thing, where it was like none of those cases
1:57:51
Speaker 2: were real and they were all just manufactured. But I
1:57:54
Speaker 2: think that the Satanic panic was manufactured so that most
1:57:58
Speaker 2: of these cases that are ridiculed they happen. And then
1:58:02
Speaker 2: when you actually point out these real cases that have
1:58:04
Speaker 2: real victims, like the presidio that head, these direct ties
1:58:07
Speaker 2: to these occult beliefs, then you just get lumped in
1:58:10
Speaker 2: with the Satanic people trying to make Satanists look bad.
1:58:13
Speaker 2: It's just like everybody in this world. There's good people
1:58:16
Speaker 2: in every group and there's terrible people in every group.
1:58:19
Speaker 2: But yeah, be sure to comment what you thought of
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1:58:25
Speaker 2: like this video. This took a lot of work. Yeah,
1:58:28
Speaker 2: we're diving headfirst into another investigation next week that is
1:58:32
Speaker 2: absolutely crazy. And yeah, thanks for watching. Stay safe everybody,
1:58:37
Speaker 2: and stay spooky. I love you guys.
1:58:39
Speaker 6: Thank you