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Nick Marovets Joins Trent, Wolves Steal Game 1, Jayden Jackson Leaves Iowa State, Dane Mizutani on Minnesota sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Good afternoon. Welcome in Miller and Condon on
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the air with you on a Tuesday as we take the world talk the world
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to sports. Take it up until 2:00 here this
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afternoon. Ken.
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No, he's not retiring early. Well, he is for me, but he's out
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for a couple of days. He's going to take a couple of
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days off here using up that PTO. So hanging out with me for the
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next couple of days. You've heard his voice here
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before. You hear him locked on cyclones.
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He is Nick Marvitz with us here today.
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Nick, good to see you once again and good to see you in person.
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We've done it plenty of times on video streams and crossover
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podcast episodes. You locked on cyclones, be
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locked on Hawkeyes. But today you made your way to
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the capital city. What's happening?
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That's what I was just going to say is it's crazy to actually be
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in person, meet you and see what the studio is all about.
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It's it's super nice. So I feel like it's going to
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elevate our sports talk level for today.
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I I hope so. I certainly hope that's the case
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coming up here today. We got a lot going on, obviously
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in the world of sports. NBANHL playoffs, we'll talk
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about that. Timberwolves get it done in game
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#1 coming up here on the guest list at 12:25.
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We're going to talk about the Timberwolves.
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We're going to talk about a whole bunch of different things
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in Minnesota. The Twins, well, not a whole lot
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to talk about there. Joe Ryan with the latest injury
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and the main beat for Mizutani is the Minnesota Vikings coming
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off the draft, potentially looking for a new GM Lots going
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on. And of course, the wild, his old
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beat as they look to bounce back after the 96 loss in game one
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against Colorado. That's coming up here at 12:25
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in the 1:00 hour. We'll talk more NBA playoffs.
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Sloan Pipe is going to join us. We'll also talk a little
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gambling with Sloan. He likes to get involved in that
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space. Sloan's going to come up here
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and we'll talk about has some of the gambling thoughts that he
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has at 1:25 at the end of the show.
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Each and every day I give you my picks of the day present a
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biserk of sports and that will be at about 1:50 this afternoon.
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Coming off a winning day, something that has been a bit of
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a rarity here as of late. We jump aboard with a three and
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two night last night and we put .3 units into the account.
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So sometimes you just got to take it, got to stack it up from
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time to time. Positive is positive, no doubt
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about it. So Nick, last night we talked
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before and we'll get to know you a little bit more here later in
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this hour. Want to got a couple of
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questions. I'm going to fire at you.
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It has become the offseason for both of us on the college beat.
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And I know for our listeners out there, spring football's over,
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basketball season's over, recruiting ramps up and there's
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things to talk about. But this is the time where
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certainly in this market, the college sports are starting to
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dry up. So we get back involved with a
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lot of the NBA. The NHLI don't watch during the
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regular season really either of those sports a whole lot.
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But I dive back into it, the NBA playoffs after the first opening
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round and then of course the playing round and the first
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couple of days really just had not been very many good games.
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Finally got to see one last night.
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Now it's also the team that I root for.
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I'm a Timberwolves fan, so that makes it a little different, a
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little bit easier. How about you for somebody?
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And you're also younger than me. And because of that, I know that
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really changes sometimes. Perspective, sports you like,
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kind of things like that. When it gets to this time, are
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you a big NBA guy? Are you a hockey guy?
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Anything like that? And do the playoffs change it at
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all for you? Yeah, I mean, I watch more now
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when it's the playoffs than I do during the regular season.
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I would say I'm a pretty fair weather fan for NBA.
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Anything that's as good basketball, I'll watch.
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I like the NHL probably more just in comparison, but I think,
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you know, playoff anything is going to be electric, right?
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And so I've I've always got sports on the TV.
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No, no doubt, yes, yeah, always got to have that go away.
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God. So Timberwolves last night, I
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want to start with this. I'm flip on the TV, get the kids
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to bed. And that that's something that
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is different than what you're dealing with right now.
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So you get the kids to bed and it really puts a big hole into
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the middle of the sports viewing.
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You know, we try to get upstairs by 8:15, 8-30, something like
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that, and then go through story time, all the different things.
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And then finally by 9:15, usually I'm back in front of the
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television. So then I always have that weird
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decision. Do I want to hit pause and pick
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up the game that I was watching? Do I just look on my phone, see
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what the score is, jump in there.
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Now if it's I or I was state playing like a basketball game
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during the winter time, like a random Tuesday night, one of
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them were playing it just paused.
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Don't look at the phone, jump back in.
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That's the way that I do it. But for something like this, it
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is a little bit different of having that in there, but I get
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there. I flip on NBC and the next game
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still going on and this is a 30 point blowout.
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Like are they delaying what is going on here?
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Because I hadn't looked at, well, we don't look at TV Guides
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anymore and hadn't looked. I just anticipated that it was
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going to be the Knicks Sixers game and then it was going to go
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into the Timberwolves Spurs game last night.
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That was not the case. It was on Peacock, which was
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incredibly annoying because old man yelling at Cloud here got
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smart TV's all over the house. That's fine, but it's just how
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cumbersome it is. You go to the Peacock app, then
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you jump over. For me, Directvi want to flip
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back and forth between that and hockey game.
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And I also had a wager on the Ducks last night.
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So that was another reason. But it I know it's 20 seconds,
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but it's just I like to hit the back button just doing that.
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So how old am I sounding to you right now, Nick?
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No, I hate 20 seconds is a long, long time, especially when
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you're when you're flipping between games and you've got
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money on one of them especially. So I totally get that.
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And for me, the biggest thing is finding which platform has the
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game. It shouldn't be impossible for
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me to figure out. It's like with Movies Now
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especially, you know, you can't even go to the DVD rack and
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find, oh, here's Transformers, I'm going to throw that in the
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player. No, you got to figure out, oh,
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well, last month it was on this platform, Now it's over here,
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but you have to pay for this one.
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It's the same thing with this. I I totally get where you're
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coming from and you'd think that there'd be some rhyme or reason
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to it in some regard, but it seems like there never is.
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And it's a total battle just to watch the teams play it out.
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Time and time time again. So were you involved last night
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at the Timberwolves game? Were you watching late?
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I actually was. Not last night specifically, but
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of course I had to watch it back this morning and what an ending.
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Man, if the Edwards after the game, maybe my favorite moment
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of the post game was him saying that he basically sucked and
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that's what you get with Anthony Edwards.
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I mean that guy is transparent that there's no no guessing what
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exactly is his thought process in the way that he's thinking
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about things. He is absolutely that way every
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single time he is going to get his thoughts out there and at
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the turnover late couple of bad decisions wondering a couple
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times opportunity to get on the ball and they didn't what was
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going on. I understand he's coming off a
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knee injury and his over under in the game was 17 1/2 points,
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which felt incredibly low and he just got over that as he
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finished with 18 or maybe a 16 1/2.
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He finished with 17 regardless, he got it by 1/2 point because I
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had that in the same game parlay last night.
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That's the only reason that I know that.
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But you know, with Anthony Edwards, you see doesn't have
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the same left and he talked about that also after the game
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is he's going to have to play the game differently because for
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years and years and years now it's almost every single time he
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goes out there, he's just going out athletic you.
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He is quicker, he is stronger, he is a higher jumper.
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He is all the things, almost every single guy that is
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guarding him, He's probably not going to be able to do that this
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series. He's probably not going to be
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able to do that if this playoff continues.
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Coming off that knee injury, didn't have the same kind of
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lift yet in the fourth quarter. They absolutely weren't able to
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take control. And then he got the Wimby
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factor, who makes the headlines, 12 block shots.
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But in the fourth quarter, I think he only had one.
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In the fourth quarter, he had 10.
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I know in the third quarter, at some point, he the Timberwolves
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did something great. And the reason that Finch is one
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of the best coaches out there, it's something incredibly small.
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But all right, it's basketball. You watch a lot of basketball,
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you know, all it is anymore is just setting screens, right?
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Ball screen, boom, ball screen. And what they did and what they
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changed defensively is instead of hedging hard on the ball
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handler going after that, they said, no, we're not going to let
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you roll anymore. We're not going to allow that to
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happen. And that gave Wendy then an
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opportunity to not get back and block every shot like he had.
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Suddenly he was just getting pulled by that ball Screener and
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they're just blocking away. The ball screen wasn't actually
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for the person with the ball. It is that small little thing
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that is so nuanced, so incredible, but it worked out
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incredibly well taking what he was doing defensively on that
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end and not negating him because he's still there.
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He's still making impacts. And the other component, he
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doesn't make a three pointer. And we saw it last series
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against Joker in Denver. Guys in the post, they're just
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sick of going up against Gobert. You could RIP the guy all you
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want. He is an awful, awful offensive
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player. And he, I think he missed his
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first fourth free throws last night before they finally got
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one to roll in. But that's what you get, that
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defensive component where guys as talented as Wembe and Joker,
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two of the most talented guys in the league and certainly most
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talented big guys, they don't want to battle in the post
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against Rudy Gobert because he is just that good.
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Yeah, both Rudy Gobert and Jaden Mcdaniel's I thought played
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really well defensively. I think Anthony Edwards coming
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back was huge for the Timberwolves in this series.
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I don't know, you know, if they if they win this game without
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him or if, you know, if they lose that game where the series
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momentum goes. So I do think him coming back
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was huge. But you could tell he wasn't
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completely at full full throttle.
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Did end up -2 on the night. And you were right, 18 points,
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three and three rebounds, assists.
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I thought personally if I were to give the game ball to
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anybody, it would probably be Rudy Gobert because of the
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defensive effort to stop the Spurs.
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I think this was more of a defensive game and credit to the
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defensive side of the ball than the offense.
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And to your point about the the adjustments in game, that's just
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a coaching master class. I mean, that's just putting your
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guys in a spot to succeed. And I like, I like Minnesota's
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odds. If they can keep that up.
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We'll see what Anthony Edwards can offer the rest of the way,
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but so far so good. One thing that has been milling
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around in my mind as soon as it went final last night and the T
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Wolves almost blowing it and I'm freaking out yelling at my TV is
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you stole what you went for, right?
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Get a split, go up, go down to San Antonio, get a split.
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At minimum your field at least OK about your chances.
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Well, he took game one. And with that knee injury, not
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knowing the severity, not knowing physically if some extra
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rest would do Anthony Edwards, well, you don't Pike Game 2.
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Because you throw it in. You just you say we're going to
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go out there, we're going to try it again, We're going to go a
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lot more with Terence Shannon who was incredible for long
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stretches. Again, he is so fast with the
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ball. We're going to go that
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direction. We're going to get a little bit
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more rest for Ant, but get blown out, so be it.
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But we got the split and we'll go to Minnesota tied up at 1:00.
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One again, not knowing the physicals that part of it.
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Does that make sense? Or if he's good enough to play
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in game one, he's just good enough to go now going forward.
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You know, I actually don't necessarily hate that take.
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As soon as you started that I was like, no, we got to go up
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two O and see if we can come home and and then you know how
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rowdy Minnesota is going to be this the odds of a sweep, but
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you never know. But as you started to walk me
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through that, I I don't necessarily hate it.
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You know, give him a chance to get closer back to that full
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Anthony Edwards that we're used to, that game changer and, and
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honestly, momentum swinger. I, I don't know if you go into
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this game, you know, you're right, you don't punt it.
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But I think you could as a coach come in and say, all right, we
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are going to put maybe a, a heavier minute limiter, right,
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'cause he played 25 here in this first game.
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Maybe you set it down to can you go to 10, you know, and just
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play a couple minutes here and there.
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Keep him warm, keep him in the feel of the game.
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But it's not necessarily going to win or lose you the game and
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you're OK with either outcome. And then you're coming back.
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Comb is is kind of my thought process too.
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So if you lose this one, you're not completely throwing away
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momentum going on the road. You get to come back home and
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have that crowd at your back. I, you know, maybe we do need to
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throw you in as head coach for this upcoming game.
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Yes, maybe it makes sense. We'll see how that front that's
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coming up Game 2 right around the corner Wednesday night.
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They'll be back at it tomorrow evening.
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Spurs a 9 1/2 point favorite in that one.
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Nick Sixers. I mean, what can you say?
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It's another one of these NBA blowouts.
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It just they're unwatchable. When it gets to that level, they
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become. Unwatchable.
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And to your point earlier about do I watch a lot of the NBA,
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that's the problem. It has gotten ridiculous.
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The tanking is out of hand. I, I, I don't have the stats in
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front of me, but the lower, whatever it is below the mark
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versus the upper upper teams is ridiculous.
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And yeah, you assume the playoffs are going to be better,
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but I don't. I don't need to go on off a
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whole tangent here. It's just you made me think of
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it and it's unwatchable. You're exactly right.
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It is tough, tough, no doubt about it.
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And that was another one just all right.
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Well, I'm going to find the hockey.
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The hockey Last night I mentioned I got a Ducks wager,
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so that didn't come home. The environment, though, was
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really, really good. Once again in Vegas.
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That's a fun series, but obviously the one of local
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interest coming up. Game 2 tonight.
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You ever seen the 96 game in a playoff matchup?
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Because I certainly can't remember 1.
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It's been a long time to my memory.
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Sunday night, and I flip it on, it was right after, I think that
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while they cut it to three, one, they get a tie, they eventually
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take the lead and it just kept coming there.
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The question remains what you do?
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And we'll talk a little bit more with Dane Mizutani about this is
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is it time for a change in goal? Do you make the decision after?
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Walstad really struggled in this one, and it wasn't just giving
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up the nine goals. Sometimes not the nine part, but
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you just see, hey, guys, made place.
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It's going to happen. There were some iffy ones that
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probably shouldn't have been goals.
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And that's the part of it because Minnesota, they got
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another guy and Augusta since had successes in the past,
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certainly. So that will be a component.
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We'll talk about that a little bit later on.
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But here in segment #1 I do want to talk a little bit about your
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main beat. And of course, that's the
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Cyclones with Lockdown Cyclones, your daily Iowa State Cyclone
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podcast. I have the Hawkeye side.
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So the news from yesterday that comes out.
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We had Bill Seals on the show yesterday talking a little bit
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about it. It's so crazy to me because I
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look at it from the media perspective, but then you get
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the fan perspective. From time to time Jane Jackson
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leaves the program and there are some fans out there that are
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trying to blame Bill Seals because he quoted what was said
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by the coach. By Jimmy Rogers.
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I don't get it from a fan perspective, and maybe that's
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the part that I'm so far removed from just being a fan.
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I've been doing this now for 25 years.
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I'm getting old, and because of that, I'm still a fan.
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Anybody that's listened to my show throughout the year
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certainly knows that I still wear my fandom.
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I'm not going to sway away from that.
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I'm not going to say that I'm a neutral arbiter of all things.
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That's not what I am. I still am a fan, but I also do
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still have that part. What am I missing?
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Am I missing anything here or is this just fans being fanatical?
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I Yeah. So you brought up earlier like
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this is the time of year where things get kind of boring.
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This came out of nowhere. I did not.
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See this kind of content we needed.
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I know, I know. I was like, may the fourth be
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with you. I'm getting ready for my Star
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Wars at BAM. Running back leaves a program.
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I'm like, OK, is this legit? Is this even real?
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Because I do remember I was at the spring game and he turned a
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lot of heads. It was unexpected and it was
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exciting and then the comments from Jimmy Rogers after the when
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when he had that media availability caught my attention
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as well. Certainly not the answer that I
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was expecting from Jimmy Rogers, but I do think that that's in
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its own way, which we can get to and it's, you know, in its own
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time, exciting from a head coach.
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But I, I was shocked to see the fans saying essentially what
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you're what you're alluding to. I my take on this and I'm OK,
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you know, this is my take on lockdown Cyclones was this is
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maybe a good thing if if this is, I'm not saying that he was
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kicked out or that he left. I have no idea what happened.
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But at the end of the day, he's not with the program.
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And if that was this direction that we were like, I'm OK with
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with him not being a cyclone, which obviously the production
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and and that thins out the running back room.
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I get it. But you got to think of the
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first year of Jimmy Rogers, the this is the new era of cyclone
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football. I I don't know if I want that in
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the locker room. You don't want any people that
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could upset the apple cart, right?
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You don't want a bad egg. You don't want whatever phrasing
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that you want to use. And if it's somebody that either
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A saw the story from Bill Seals and got that upset about it, is
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that the kind of guy you want in the locker room that's going to
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get upset about an article or even a quote from a coach
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motivating factor? Or there could be something even
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more at play here where they just didn't think that this was
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the right fit for their program. One question I don't know the
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answer to it, and this is something that also bounced into
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my mind is now we don't have the spring portal, which is terrible
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for us in the content business because the Spring portal is
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great, but without it is what does that mean for Jackson?
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See, that was my my first thought was what does this mean
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for him? And, and obviously we hope for
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the best and, and wish him a long and lucrative career, but
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I, I imagine he finishes this semester out as a, an Iowa State
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student and then ends up, I don't know, he probably doesn't
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get to play. Because we have the ghost
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transfer rule. Yes, that's that was where my
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thoughts. Yeah, and if you're new to this
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new phrasing, the ghost transfer rule, it dates back to the Lucas
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kid who left Wisconsin to go to Miami, didn't enter the portal.
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Miami was likely tampering and you got into that.
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And so we'll just don't even go to the portal.
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Just don't don't even worry about that.
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If you want to leave a school, do it this direction.
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And the NCAA is put the kibosh on that.
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You can no longer have what is considered a ghost transfer
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where you don't actually enter the portal.
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You just show up at another campus.
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And no, by the way, oh, yes, you're getting NIL money and
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you're getting everything else and you're getting R.E.M. share
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and everything that goes along with it.
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They are trying to combat that and also keep it where there's
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just one portal window because if they didn't have this ghost
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rule in place, we would see hundreds of kids right now that
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would be doing just that. Semester finishes up.
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I'm leaving this university. I'm going to show up here.
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Yes. And tampering's happening all
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over the place. This is a way to combat that.
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But for a guy like this, for Jaden Jackson now to suddenly
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not have a home, does he have an opportunity?
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And if it's phrased in a way where he was kicked off the
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team, is that different as opposed to a guy that left on
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his own accord? I don't know the answer to that,
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but I think it is something because this can't be the only
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situation in the country, right? You would think not.
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And it's it's it's a very puzzling situation, especially
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if we're looking into what the five and five could look like
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because didn't play last year, now won't in theory play this
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year. So now he's got three years if
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the five and five goes through. I just there's a lot of question
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marks there. It's the same thing with like
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were you fired, let go or did you leave from a job?
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Same kind of thing applies here. Does does that distinction
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matter to the NCAA? Is he is he now like a free
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agent or is he still tied to Iowa State?
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Those are the questions that I have.
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I I would love to see him play just because of how electric he
19:14
was for Iowa State. Even if he, you know, pans out
19:17
somewhere else, I'd love to see it.
19:18
But I do think it'll be very telling of of what the sports
19:21
landscape in college football will look like moving forward.
19:24
And it's so funny because even going into the open practice at
19:28
Iowa State, we heard a lot that I think it was one, maybe the
19:31
running backs coach or offense coordinator and mentioned that
19:34
they were little bit concerned about the depth of running back,
19:36
that they just didn't have a very deep room.
19:39
You had all of that was banged up and didn't go on last
19:42
Saturday. So you had that component to it.
19:44
We know Flora coming off an injury himself, Petaway coming
19:47
in his way in. You're excited about the special
19:49
teams, the return game of Flora and Petaway.
19:51
That's going to be excellent. You have a feeling with both of
19:53
those guys, but a running back and now you take another guy out
19:56
of that room and then you go the other direction too.
19:59
For Iowa State, guys are still in the portal.
20:02
There are still guys that are in there coupled with guys that are
20:06
at the D2 level. JUCO, what else is out there?
20:09
You have to think at minimum, Iowa State's got to be shopping
20:12
at this point in time and seeing even if it's a depth piece, even
20:15
if it's a guy that is probably going to be, you know, 5th on
20:17
the depth chart, whatever it is, we just need bodies and we've
20:20
seen it happen so many times in the past.
20:22
We're at a specific. Position group and running back,
20:26
definitely one of them that injuries start to pile up and
20:28
suddenly what are you going to do?
20:29
I mean, are you going to say, you know what I'm going to go
20:32
over be I guess you're going to be a running back for us today.
20:34
You know, there's not a whole lot that you can do.
20:36
There's no free agency once the season starts that you can get
20:39
into. So they got to be mined in that
20:41
and see if there's anything else out there.
20:42
Yeah, especially when you consider what John Johnson, the
20:44
running back coach for IOSC, had said.
20:47
They're not afraid to go, you know, 3-4 deep.
20:49
Well, I think IOC has what, 4? Maybe 5 if I don't have the list
20:54
in front of me, but you get my point.
20:55
We're really kind of stretching it thin here.
20:57
And so yeah, there is no spring portal where players can enter,
21:01
but there are players that are available.
21:03
And so I would have to think that, you know, there,
21:07
especially with the state of the program and it being so like
21:10
they just, they just implemented a new program or a new system to
21:14
basically like 90 players. It's like they can't do it for
21:18
one more. I think that's probably a smart
21:19
play. So I'm looking at the roster as
21:22
it currently is on cyclones.com. So they got Petaway, Allah,
21:27
Flora River Peppers, but he's coming off a pretty significant
21:30
injury himself. Easton Miller forgot about him.
21:32
Ankeny guy called plenty of his games at Centennial back in the
21:35
day. So those are the guys that they
21:37
currently have listed there. But Allah coming off an injury
21:40
Peppers off an injury flora. Question marks remain on that
21:45
front. But no longer listed Jackson no
21:47
longer already on the roster. They quick that they changed
21:49
that pretty quickly. That was quick.
21:50
I went to check today to see like what were his accolades?
21:52
Gone, just gone. Can't fight him, can't fight
21:55
him. Coming back on the other side.
21:56
We're going to go north of the border up to Minnesota.
21:59
We got a lot going on up there. We're going to talk about game
22:02
two of the playoff series tonight with the Wild and the
22:04
Avalanche. Game 2 coming up tomorrow night
22:06
with the Timberwolves after stealing game one against the
22:09
Spurs. Plus the Vikings talk and maybe
22:12
a Twins question as well. Dame Mizutati, he's going to
22:14
join us coming up here on the other side.
22:16
Got Nick hanging out with me today.
22:18
It's Miller and Condon on the Iowa Sports Radio network.
22:38
12/28 on a Tuesday. It's Miller and Condon on the
22:40
Iowa Sports Radio Network. You hear Prince means we're
22:44
going north. Nice, Minnesota, out of my great
22:48
regrets not seeing Prince in person before his unfortunate
22:51
passing and the best artist in Minnesota history.
22:56
Dane Mazatani joins us now. He has been in Minneapolis for a
22:59
very long time. He is a Hawaii native though.
23:02
Do you agree, Prince? Number one, ahead of Dylan and
23:05
whatever Minnesota you want to put up there Is that number one
23:07
for you, Dane. Yeah, I think he probably has to
23:10
be. I mean, he's a legend.
23:12
And even as somebody who I can't claim Prince as, as one of his
23:17
favorite artists, I appreciate what he did and just kind of
23:20
what he means to this state. So yeah, I think he's one with a
23:22
bullet. Yeah, I got a couple years on
23:24
you guys. I mean, Prince was the guy, MJ
23:25
was the guy. I got to see the new movie
23:27
that's out in the theater. I got I got work to do making
23:29
that. What happened, though?
23:30
Some bad ratings over Rotten Tomatoes.
23:32
Really. Yeah.
23:33
Yeah. Makes me a little bit nervous
23:35
because don't get to the movies very often.
23:37
If you go for a crappy one, it kind of stinks.
23:39
That aside, though, we got a lot to talk about Dane, so let's get
23:41
into it. Got Nick Marvitz hanging out
23:43
with me today. Let's jump into first your maybe
23:47
and that is the Minnesota Vikings.
23:49
We'll get into the wild. We'll talk wolves, maybe the
23:52
Twins. We'll see if there's time.
23:53
But coming off the draft, some head scratching decisions,
23:57
perhaps a lot of people questioning going with banks
24:00
instead of looking at the the tight end Thinnaman that comes
24:03
in from Oregon. A lot of people, almost
24:05
everybody felt like had kind of that projection there a take
24:09
away a search for AGMA lot going on in Minnesota.
24:12
How are the rumblings inside the outside the organization coming
24:15
off the draft? Yeah.
24:17
I mean, I think externally people look at the draft and,
24:21
and because everybody now can look at mock drafts and create
24:26
mock drafts on their own and on whatever mock draft simulator
24:29
you, you choose to use. Like people look at the hall
24:32
they, they, the Vikings walked away from in the 2026 NFL draft
24:36
and say like, wow, they reached a lot.
24:39
But my, my counterpoint would be one, we don't know anything
24:41
about these guys. And anybody who claims to is
24:43
just reading other guys who claim to know as well.
24:47
There's like 2 draft analysts in in on the planet that I trust.
24:52
And so I think that kind of gets into why people might be
24:56
frustrated with this class. What I will say is Caleb Banks
24:58
is somebody they're super high on.
25:00
I mean, they didn't think he would get to 49.
25:03
So if they felt like this is a guy that can fill a need on the
25:08
defensive line, which is the need they've had, it feels like
25:12
since I've been a teenager like this is they felt comfortable
25:16
doing it at that price or at that cost of draft capital.
25:20
And that logic kind of applies to each pick they made.
25:24
People look at the Jake Gold they pick and they might say,
25:27
well, I wanted Emmanuel McNeil Warren out of the safety, out of
25:31
Toledo. And the truth is nobody knew who
25:33
Emmanuel McNeil Warren or Jake Gold they was three months ago.
25:37
But because of these mock draft simulators, it just shows like
25:40
this is a guy I want. People get really attached to
25:43
it. And it's a good thing because it
25:44
makes the NFL draft fun to cover, fun to follow.
25:48
But I think I would just say give this draft Class A chance,
25:53
pump the brakes. We can't declare bust on all
25:56
these guys. My, my biggest now area of of
26:00
interest or intrigue is where do they go with the GM search
26:04
Robertson, he wants the job. I think he'd be a fantastic
26:08
hire. I think he brings the leadership
26:10
skills required to, to excel at that position.
26:12
But the, the, the Wolf's have made it clear they're going to
26:15
do a really broad search. I don't expect it to be done
26:19
anytime in the near future, maybe next week, maybe the week
26:22
after, but they're they're cast in a wide net and as they should
26:26
prefer the general manager position.
26:28
Yeah, as far as a guy in this draft class that I'm
26:30
particularly fond of and excited to watch play goes, Dom Orange
26:34
going at round 382 is what I've got him at.
26:38
What kind of play are you expecting from Dom?
26:40
Obviously watching him play at Iowa State, he was one very good
26:44
run stuff for super fun to watch.
26:46
But for all the Cyclone fans out there looking to see him play,
26:49
what kind of role do you expect him to take on?
26:51
What kind of minutes do you think he'll get?
26:53
Or is he going to be one of those guys that'll take a few
26:55
years to potentially come up and play meaningful minutes?
26:58
Yeah, big citrus. I forgot the Iowa State
27:02
connection down there. He's going to play.
27:05
He's going to play. He's a traditional nose tackle,
27:08
middle of the line run stuffer that the Vikings just haven't
27:11
frankly had. And you look at Caleb Banks and
27:14
and you say, oh, doesn't he play nose?
27:17
He's more of kind of a wide. And to understand that like the
27:21
Vikings play a 3-4. So Dom Orange is going to play
27:24
in the middle of the three up front.
27:26
And Caleb Banks and this other guy, Jalen Redmond, who came on
27:29
strong last year, are probably going to flank, you know, the
27:33
true nose tackle that is, is big citrus.
27:37
And and I think he's playing right away.
27:39
I think it was kind of a way to hedge their bets with some
27:41
medical question marks, you know, attached to Caleb Banks.
27:46
But they're they're different players.
27:48
And I think what would Dominic Orange is going to bring is that
27:51
size, that ability to instantly impact the run game, to stop the
27:54
run. And then the people do think
27:58
they are the people I've talked to within the organization that
28:00
there is some pass rush upside with him.
28:02
So he has something you can't teach, which is just the sheer
28:05
mass in the middle of the the defensive line.
28:10
But he has some instincts that that allow, you know, could
28:13
allow him to get after the passer too.
28:15
So it was a heavy investment from the Vikings in their
28:18
defensive line. And it's something that I think
28:20
is imperative for success on the in the Brian Flores defense.
28:25
So that warns like a lot of these guys that the Vikings
28:28
drafted, you know, older, ready to contribute right away.
28:32
I don't think he's going to require a lot of seasoning.
28:34
I would be surprised if he's not playing pretty big, big minutes
28:37
right away for the Vikings. You mentioned day in the search
28:40
for the GM. How long do you think that this
28:43
whole process is going to go? Yeah, I think just a couple,
28:46
couple more weeks probably. Like, I don't think it's it's
28:49
imminent because I think that they're casting a wide net.
28:52
I think the Wilfs were telling the truth when they said they
28:55
want to get through the 2026 NFL Draft before they start at
29:00
search in any way, shape or form.
29:03
So it was full steam ahead with the 2026 NFL Draft with Rob
29:08
Burzynski leading the charge. And now that that is about a
29:11
week and a half removed, they're in the process of interviewing.
29:17
The thing is, they're not telling.
29:21
They're bringing in. You've seen it.
29:22
It's kind of a new age with social media, you see, with
29:25
coaching, you see with without 30 visits, a team will tweet out
29:29
we've hosted so and so on a visit or we have interviewed so
29:33
and so. The Wolfs are committed to
29:35
keeping all of that kind of under lock and key.
29:37
So, you know, people, I've talked to you, you can start to
29:42
glean some candidates, but they will not be public names for a
29:45
while. But that doesn't mean the
29:46
process is not ongoing. So I think we're in the middle
29:50
of it now. I don't think we're near the end
29:51
of it, but I think next week, maybe the week after, is
29:55
probably a realistic timeline. Makes a whole lot of sense.
29:58
Dame Mazatani joining us, Saint Paul Pioneer Press Dame, one
30:01
more on the Viking front and that is coming up here.
30:05
End of the month. We'll get to OTAs into June
30:08
then, but you get the mandatory mini camp June 9th through 11th.
30:11
Kyler Burry, I mean, have you already found a ton of different
30:14
angles? I mean, how much are you going
30:15
to write coming up this spring and into the summer about the
30:18
new quarterback for the Vikings? And how many different angles
30:21
can you take on this one? Because he's going to take this
30:24
job, right? Yeah, I would be surprised if if
30:28
Kylie Murray is not the start of Week 1.
30:30
I I think the Vikings will handle the narratives of the
30:33
conversations around the quarterback position like they
30:36
have. They won't name a guy.
30:38
They'll treat it like a true competition, but I think we all
30:42
know Kyler Murray did not come here to be a backup.
30:44
So unless he just looks awful in OTAs and training camp, that
30:49
guy's going to start. I'm excited about it.
30:52
He's a former number one overall pick.
30:53
He has talent. He has a feeling that I think
30:58
raises the Viking ceiling as a whole.
31:00
So he's going to be a fun guy to write about.
31:02
And I think I think we've talked about this before on the show.
31:07
People are skeptical of him because he hasn't reached that
31:09
ceiling. He hasn't actualized that
31:11
potential in his body. But I think that we've kind of
31:15
got it twisted now or people just think he's a bad
31:18
quarterback and he's not. And I think it will take a
31:22
little bit of time, maybe through training camp if you did
31:25
the preseason. But when week one, week two,
31:28
week three-week 4 roll around and Kyler Murray is throwing the
31:31
ball to Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison and whoever is that #3
31:35
receiver TJ Hawkinson working in that backfield with with Aaron
31:39
Jones for the Mason and Damon Claiborne.
31:41
Like we're going to remember how good of a player Kyler Murray
31:44
is. So I I'm excited to cover kind
31:47
of the rise of, of him here. I'm also excited to Fast forward
31:51
to September so we can remember just how good of a player the
31:54
Vikings got and a fraction of the cost.
31:57
Let's go over next to number one of the another one of the
32:00
Minnesota teams. Let's go to the Wolves taking
32:02
game one last night. We see Ant didn't look like Ant
32:05
for quite a while that suddenly in the fourth quarter.
32:08
He started at night a little bit.
32:10
He was frustrated after the game about his play in the final
32:12
couple of minutes of that one overall, but they got a steal,
32:15
stole game one, get at minimum a split going into it, take away
32:19
there and Rudy Gobert. He was playing D once again last
32:21
night. Yeah, like the biggest take away
32:26
I walked away from just watching that game last night is the
32:29
Wolves should not be underdogs in this series.
32:32
They are battle tested. They are experienced.
32:35
They're everything that the San Antonio Spurs are not in terms
32:39
of just been there, done that, understand just how to win in
32:44
the playoffs. And our beat right at the Saint
32:47
Paul Pioneer Press, Chase Frederick, I thought he made a
32:50
really, really astute observation, really good
32:52
comparison yesterday. Think back a few years, four or
32:56
five years to the Timberwolves, Grizzlies series, when the
32:59
Timberwolves were just blowing 20 point leads in the fourth
33:01
quarter and look like chickens without their heads for for most
33:05
of the the play down the stretch.
33:06
That was a young team that did not know how to win in the
33:09
playoffs. That's what the San Antonio
33:11
Spurs looked like to me yesterday.
33:12
A young team that doesn't quite understand how to win the
33:15
playoffs yet, doesn't quite understand that.
33:17
Yeah, the refs are going to swallow the whistles and they're
33:19
going to allow very, very physical play on the defensive
33:22
end. Everybody outside of Victor
33:25
Wimbuyama and even him to a degree yesterday with just
33:28
jacking 3 settling not being much of a factor offensively,
33:32
game look too big for them sometimes.
33:34
Doesn't mean that they're not going to come out and win Game 2
33:37
and make this a series. But I walk away from yesterday
33:40
thinking like this is a 5050 series.
33:43
This is not the plus 1100 series that it was a week and a half
33:46
ago and when people didn't think it was going to play.
33:49
It's not even the plus 450 series that it was yesterday
33:52
where the Wolves are vast underdogs to to win.
33:56
I think right now this is as even as it gets and I would put
34:00
my money on the on the big more experienced team to kind of walk
34:03
away with this one. I agree.
34:04
I actually like Minnesota in this series, especially after
34:07
what I saw last night. That defensive effort was it was
34:10
exactly what they needed. And so my question is really,
34:12
can they keep this up? I, I hesitate to say that when
34:16
Benyama will have that kind of a game every game for the rest of
34:20
this series, I assume that they'll make some adjustments.
34:23
Do you think Minnesota will be able to handle those?
34:25
What do you expect? Are they going to, you know, go
34:27
2O to start and, and win every or sweep the road?
34:31
Or are they going to end up down in a hole?
34:32
Like I I know the experience is going to play a large role here,
34:35
but I I hesitate to say that San Antonio is going to roll over.
34:40
Yeah, I know. I think I think this will be a
34:42
series. I would be surprised that they
34:44
won Game 2, frankly. Like, I think we're probably
34:46
coming back to Minnesota 11 and then you take your chances
34:50
having stole homecourt advantage.
34:52
But yeah, I do think the defensive effort that the Wolves
34:55
put forth will will sustain because that's been their
34:57
calling card throughout their their last two playoff runs.
35:00
Like, yes, and has leveled up. He's ascended, Jada McDaniels
35:04
has ascended. There's a lot of role players
35:07
that are willing to do whatever it takes on that offensive side
35:12
of the ball. But why the Wolves have been
35:14
dangerous and why the Wolves have been a Western Conference
35:17
finals team over the last two years is because of their
35:20
defense. And then that's been their
35:21
calling card. And I expect that to continue
35:23
here. But when you you look at Victor
35:26
women Yama, like if you're going to have his tough of an offense
35:29
tonight, as he did yesterday, probably not.
35:32
But the wolves wear on you over the course of the series.
35:36
The way they play defense wears on you.
35:37
It's like body blows in a fight. Again, in a heavyweight fight.
35:41
Everybody loves the knockout, but the body blows are the are
35:44
the thing that wear on a guy over the course of a fight, over
35:47
the course of, if you will, a series.
35:50
Now the wolves are going to wear on Victor Lembiyama.
35:52
I don't think he's ever been defended like he's about to be
35:55
defended for the next six games. If this thing goes 7 and or If
35:59
however many games this thing goes, they're beating them up.
36:01
They're going to play with him. They're going to be physical and
36:04
then you look at the other guys that have to produce outside of
36:06
Victor and Benyama, bunch of young guys who haven't proven
36:09
they can shoot, haven't proven that they can make you pay from
36:13
beyond the arc if you're going to double down low and Victor
36:16
and Benyama is going to find you on the outside.
36:18
So I think it's a good match up for the for the wolves.
36:21
And I expect them to just continue to be physical with
36:23
with the kid who obviously is very, very special.
36:28
But I think he has some, he has some room to grow.
36:30
Victor and beyond needs to understand like what it's like
36:32
to play in the playoffs. And I think he's kind of
36:35
learning trial by fire right now.
36:38
Dane is just crazy to see a tough Minnesota team because
36:42
there's been so many times in the past, regardless of sport,
36:44
just didn't always feel like they had that toughness.
36:47
Avoid this Timberwolves team. They definitely have that
36:49
component over to hockey. We've seen some physicality,
36:52
certainly from this Wild team. Your old beat in the Minnesota
36:55
Wild 96, that's difficult to swallow, so I'll take up the
36:58
easiest path possible. Is it time to make a change,
37:01
Walsted? After the struggles in game one
37:03
time to pull the plug and go with Gustafson.
37:07
Yeah, where they're going to tonight.
37:10
John Heinz announced that at morning skate that it will be
37:13
going. Philip Gustafson tonight over
37:15
against the wall said. I like that move.
37:17
I do. I know it might, it might be.
37:21
It's going to be polarizing either way.
37:23
That's just how goaltender decisions are at this point in
37:27
the playoffs. Here's my thing, Phil Gustafson
37:31
is, yes, he did not have a good close the season.
37:34
Yes, in some ways he he did that job to Jasper Walstad with just
37:37
how shaky he looked down the stretch.
37:39
But Phil Gustafson's not some plucky backup that that you're
37:43
hoping can give you a spark. He was the starting goaltender
37:46
for the Minnesota Wild for a lion's share of the season.
37:49
He played more games than Jasper Walstad.
37:51
So this is not some inexperienced guy that you're
37:53
throwing into the fire and saying hope it works.
37:56
This is your starting goaltender.
37:57
This was your number one for most of the year, so that's the
38:00
starting point for me. But when you look at kind of the
38:03
psychology of making a goaltender change in the NHL
38:06
playoffs, you're looking at it from kind of twofold how it's
38:11
going to affect the guy you're pulling and how it's going to
38:12
affect the guy you're throwing in there.
38:14
Jasper Walsted gave up eight goals.
38:17
Were they all his fault? No.
38:18
Where most of them. Was he left hand hung out to
38:20
try? Yes.
38:21
But you give up eight goals, the most goals you've ever given up
38:24
in your NHL career. Like it's OK to say, hey, we're
38:27
going to take a take a breath here.
38:29
We're going to give you a day, a game here.
38:32
They said everything correctly after the game.
38:34
The messaging was good. We still believe in Wally.
38:37
We're still confident in him. But right now, this feels like a
38:41
good time to pull that lever of goalie chains because there's
38:45
not a ton of pressure on Phillip Gustafson.
38:47
The other guy just allowed eight and you're going into Game 2.
38:50
You'd love to win it. But if Gustafson gets shelled
38:53
tonight, you go back to Wallstead for game three and
38:56
you're back home. Maybe Jewel Eric's next back in
38:59
the lineup and it feels kind of like a hard reset.
39:03
Now flip that. Say you go with Wallstead
39:05
tonight, he gets shoved again. Then you have a ton of pressure
39:08
on Phillip Gustafson in game three to go out there and win a
39:11
must win game. So I think unless you're like
39:15
the Tampa Bay Lightning, Andre Vasileski, and there's no
39:18
question asked, he's going to start every game of the of a
39:21
playoff run. If you have two goalies and you
39:23
have to juggle it, to me it made sense to make the decision that
39:27
they've landed on. Now we'll see if it works out.
39:29
If Gustafson gets celled, everyone will say giant hot John
39:32
Hines has no idea what he's doing.
39:34
And then they'll go back to Allstead for game three and the
39:37
discussion will get pretty negative pretty quickly.
39:40
But I think this decision makes sense for the Wild.
39:44
We'll see if they're right. You know, you won me over there,
39:46
Dane. I, I was not on your side when
39:48
you when you said that you thought that was the right move.
39:50
I wanted them to go with Walstead.
39:52
But you made a lot of really solid points.
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All of that still being true. What defensive changes can the
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Wild make? Because I, I personally think
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they just put Walstead in a terrible position.
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And if they do the same thing again, I don't know if I mean,
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obviously some goals were given up that that probably shouldn't
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have been, but I want to see some defensive changes, I think
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more so than a goalie change. Yeah.
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And then that's that's the thing too.
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Like if they would have went to wall said it would have been,
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look, we believe in this guy and it's on everybody in front of
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them to play better. But Even so that that
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conversation stands or that that point stands with with with Gus
40:28
in the net, you cannot let the Colorado Avalanche, the neutral
40:32
zone the way they did. You got to muck up the neutral
40:34
zone. You have to make it not a rush
40:36
game. You have to control possession.
40:37
You have to protect the the the area of the ice in front of the
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net. The Wild just got into a running
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gun game. It was totally out of character.
40:46
I think it is in some ways when you start popping in a lot of
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goals, the game just kind of deteriorates into an up and down
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1980s style NHL hockey. They just need to get back to
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their structure and I think part of that throughout John Heinz
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tenure here has been being really hard in the neutral zone,
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not letting teams rush through, fly through that and take on
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speed in the offensive zone. We just saw that way too much
41:12
the other night in that speed. Frankly, I think in the series
41:16
like this, when you go from Dallas, who obviously is a very
41:19
good team but doesn't play with quite the speed that the
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Avalanche do, like that speed can shock you.
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And then that's the adjustment I think just kind of has to happen
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upfront right away, harder in the neutral zone, less
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opportunities to fly into the offensive zone.
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And I think from there just transition into just getting
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more disciplined with with certain plays.
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They were loose with the puck the other night.
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A lot of just little things that they can change that I think
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will will pay dividends. But yeah, it wasn't just a
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goaltender thing the other night.
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In fact, I think it was more his teammates in front of him than
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Jasper Walstad. But point is, like, they all
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need to be better, regardless of who's in the grease.
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There he is. Dane Mizutani, St.
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Paul Pioneer Press. Dane, out of time for today.
42:06
Twins. They suck.
42:07
All right, there it is. We, we knocked that one out of
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the park. And Joe Ryan's now injured.
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Great. We'll talk to you again soon.
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Dane. Appreciate your time as always.
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Yeah, anytime guys love doing it.
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Dave is a toddy talk in Minnesota sports with us here on
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Miller and Condon. Got Nick hanging out with us
42:21
today. Coming back on the other side,
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we're going to learn a little bit more about Nick.
42:25
We continue here in a moment. It's Miller and Condon on the
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Iowa Sports Radio Network. Wrapping up our number one, it's
42:39
Miller and Condon on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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Nick Marvitz hanging out with me here today and tomorrow as Ken
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is off for a couple of days. So I'm playing a little PJ.
42:50
I'm coming back. I.
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Love it. You are much younger than me, so
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what's your music? What what do you like to listen
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to? Because we have a pretty big
42:59
swath here between the 70s for Ken and me in the 90s, not a
43:04
whole lot of 80s stuff that we play very often and very, very
43:08
little anything basically from, I don't know, 1995 on.
43:12
So that is kind of the end day for what kind of music are you?
43:16
As you're pumping your iron and doing your thing, what are you
43:18
listening to? Yeah, when I'm pumping iron,
43:19
it's got to be 80's rock, 80's rock, the.
43:22
I like to call that butt rock. Motley, Mötley Crüe, Guns and
43:26
Roses, ACDC, Yep, Yep. Those kind of.
43:30
That's butt rock to me and my kids in fact have started to get
43:35
into that genre here recently. My daughter's walk up song and
43:38
awful parenting by me. Def Leppard, Pour some sugar on
43:42
me. Nice.
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Now, you know the extra connotation with that, that is
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something that she'll probably be seeing sitting in a
43:50
psychiatrist's chair as in her 20s and saying, how did my dad
43:53
allow this? But she loves the song.
43:54
So there, that's her walk up song now for softball.
43:58
So you like the 80's rock. So that's when you're pumping,
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when you're just hanging out, having a drink, hanging out on
44:03
the deck, what, what's the mood that you're looking for?
44:06
See, I'm all over the place. I can go like 2020 tens pop, but
44:10
recently I just it's crazy you asked this because I just got a
44:14
set of guitars and so I've been kind of listening to like
44:18
country, but I I couldn't put it down to an era just kind of all
44:22
over the place. So I've been vibing with some
44:24
chill country that you can like finger pick along to.
44:27
Otherwise, I'm OK with just rock all the time.
44:30
So it really isn't that deep for me.
44:33
All right, so that's kind of the music part.
44:35
Now remind us again about the teams.
44:37
We know the Cyclones part. Obviously that's an easy one.
44:40
Professional sports, you got that weird Northeast connection
44:42
and we got that with Lucas and these Northeast teams.
44:44
What's going on here? So who are who are your
44:46
professional teams? Yeah, professionally, definitely
44:49
the Patriots. That's kind of like my number
44:50
one bread and butter. From there, I'm a little bit
44:53
more bandwagon E like we talked about with the NBA.
44:57
Like I don't really follow an NBA team because the regular
45:00
season is so hard to watch. I just love watching to the
45:02
postseason when it comes to the NHL.
45:05
I'm a big Kraken guy, got on them when they when they joined.
45:08
Yeah. It's like I don't want to pick a
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team that already exists, so I want them.
45:12
I'm kind of all over the place, all over the.
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Place. Yeah, it's fun though.
45:16
Yes, you never. Pick and.
45:18
Choose Ordered into a market. LeBron guy.
45:22
In recent years I've definitely I've I've.
45:24
Grown to appreciate it, Yes. Yes, same with that.
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All right, We got an hour in the books, one more to go.
45:30
We got a lot going up here and we're going to continue the
45:33
conversation, including the expansion, not just to college
45:36
basketball, football around the corner.
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That's next.