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Epstein Island Today and Bravo Firings with Carlos King · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 2: Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I've got a super juicy show for you, and it's
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  Speaker 3: basically two parts. The first part is a super juicy
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  Speaker 3: interview I did with Shannon Ivey, who has gone deep
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  Speaker 3: into Epstein, Epstein Island, and what has unfolded in the
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  Speaker 3: last month. You've got to listen to this. Then I
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  Speaker 3: have return hilarious guest... Real Housewives former producer and funny
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  Speaker 3: host Carlos King is here. We're going to talk all
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  Speaker 3: things Bravo, reality shows, who got fired, what the prison
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  Speaker 3: sentence means, what's the future of Housewives. So juicy, so funny.
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  Speaker 3: So now for a really good show. Hello and welcome
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  Speaker 3: to Juicy Scoop. I have returned guest Shannon Ivey. Welcome back.
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  Speaker 3: How are you doing?
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  Speaker 4: Doing great. How are you?
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  Speaker 2: You're looking fabulous.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. So I had Shannon on before because
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  Speaker 3: she's a journalist. She teaches at the university in Texas,
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  Speaker 3: but she also runs an incredible... Ivy Farms, which is
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  Speaker 3: the name of her TikTok and social media that helps
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  Speaker 3: children in foster care that have been through traumatic experiences.
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  Speaker 3: And I came across your page and we connected. And
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  Speaker 3: while I was in the British Virgin Islands and the
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  Speaker 3: Virgin Islands, you popped up, of course, because I follow you.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, this is so crazy, this coincidence
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  Speaker 3: that I'm here. about this Attorney General of the Virgin Islands,
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  Speaker 3: Regina George, who filed a lawsuit and then subsequently was
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  Speaker 3: fired very, very shortly after with really no explanation to
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  Speaker 3: the public and really no media attention on why this
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  Speaker 3: is so incredibly juicy. And so I want you to
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  Speaker 3: just tell, explain this whole situation and how it pertains
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  Speaker 3: to Epstein and, you know, G-Max is what I like
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  Speaker 3: to call her, Ghislaine, and the fact that now she's
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  Speaker 3: been convicted and a lot of things are popping up
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  Speaker 3: where not one other sex trafficker has ever been named.
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  Speaker 4: As of December 29th, it has been one year that
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  Speaker 4: she's in jail, that G-Max is in jail for trafficking
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  Speaker 4: children to no one.
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  Speaker 3: Right. And in saying that, no one's saying that she
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't be there.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But we're saying, where are all these, where are these people?
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  Speaker 3: And why are they not being exposed? Okay, so now
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  Speaker 3: let's get into what this woman, Regina George, what is
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  Speaker 3: her background and how long has she been in the
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  Speaker 3: job and all of that?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so first off, her name is Denise George. Sorry, sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Regina George is from Mean Girls. Denise George. Sorry, Denise George. Apologize.
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  Speaker 4: So Denise George has been the one lone holdout of
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  Speaker 4: hope in the Epstein case. I've been following her since
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  Speaker 4: the beginning because... She was appointed by the current governor,
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  Speaker 4: Governor Albert Bryan, who and she was appointed by him.
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  Speaker 4: And that's a we'll get into that in a minute.
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  Speaker 4: But she has been from the beginning saying, OK, I
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  Speaker 4: don't care who the money is. I don't care what
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  Speaker 4: I need to do. We're going to find answers because
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  Speaker 4: this is on my home turf and it's unacceptable. And
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  Speaker 4: so she went after the Epstein estate and she won
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  Speaker 4: at the end of November $ 105 million. And that was
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  Speaker 4: to go in various places. So one, it's going to
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  Speaker 4: several of the victims of Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. But
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  Speaker 4: number two, it was to recoup. the tax dollars that
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  Speaker 4: Epstein got, and this is where it gets crazy. So, um,
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  Speaker 4: and let me kind of give you a hierarchy. Um,
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  Speaker 4: when Epstein was kind of in his full force, there
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  Speaker 4: was a man named governor de young and his first lady,
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  Speaker 4: Cecil de young was Epstein's office manager in the Virgin
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  Speaker 4: islands for a, and I forget the it's Southern trust company, uh,
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  Speaker 4: which got, um, 80% of a tax reduction. And I
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  Speaker 4: want to get this right. 80% tax reduction. Oh, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: 90% tax exemption. And then 100% tax exemption on gross
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  Speaker 4: receipts and excise tax, which that's goods and services. So
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  Speaker 4: just like let that sink in. So he's got 100%
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  Speaker 4: tax exemption on goods and services. And what were his
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  Speaker 4: goods and services?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. What are his goods and services?
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  Speaker 4: Well, he's trafficking human beings. Right. So and he's getting
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  Speaker 4: a tax exemption for that. Well, the person who signed
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  Speaker 4: off on that is the current governor because he was
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  Speaker 4: working as the chairman of the economic development. So under
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  Speaker 4: the former governor. So do you see the connection?
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So that so these two governors have been highly tied
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  Speaker 3: to benefiting by having Epstein on their right on their land. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And so in comes Denise George. And Denise George was like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: not only am I going to get back that money
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  Speaker 4: for the US Virgin Islands, which if you've been there,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's a lot of people suffering there.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And the infrastructure is terrible. And so she goes to
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  Speaker 4: get back the money that the current governor signed off on.
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  Speaker 4: And so she's recouping something that our current governor, the
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  Speaker 4: Governor Albert Ryan, gave to him in the first place.
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  Speaker 4: So then she starts to go after the real money,
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  Speaker 4: which was JP Morgan. And she filed it in New
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  Speaker 4: York City. And the sources say that she filed this
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  Speaker 4: huge lawsuit in New York City without bringing in the
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  Speaker 4: current governor. Well, I mean, anyone with half of a
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  Speaker 4: brain cell would see that that would be a bit
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  Speaker 4: of a conflict of interest to bring in the current
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  Speaker 4: governor because clearly they were all involved in this. They
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  Speaker 4: don't say that. But so she filed it on December
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  Speaker 4: 27th of 2022. Biden was there. And this is where
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  Speaker 4: it gets sketchy with like putting this on the Internet
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  Speaker 4: because my channel got completely screwed when I just showed
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  Speaker 4: the truth. Now, is there a connection with Biden? I
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  Speaker 4: have no idea. But Biden was there.
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  Speaker 3: Because Biden has owned a home there for many decades, right?
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  Speaker 4: No. He uses the home of Bill and Connie Neville.
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  Speaker 4: And they've got a mansion there. They own a company
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  Speaker 4: called US Viking, which is the software that runs all
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  Speaker 4: of the wiring for AP. So Associated Press. So everyone's
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  Speaker 4: a journalist. I know. Now, I'm not saying there's a
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  Speaker 4: connection there. We're not saying that because the internet doesn't
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  Speaker 4: like us to assume. And it's fair. That's fair because
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  Speaker 4: there's no proof. But it's just A coincidence.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, coincidences are fun.
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  Speaker 4: And then the next day, Denise gets fired. And there
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  Speaker 4: is nothing that says, hey, she got fired over the
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  Speaker 4: Epstein case other than sources that, you know, are telling
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  Speaker 4: their local journalists that, yeah, she didn't keep the governor
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  Speaker 4: in the loop. And this has been an ongoing problem.
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  Speaker 4: Because all of them were involved in it, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 4: And that's assuming, but there is, you know, correlation does
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  Speaker 4: not equal causation, but it sure is raising a lot
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  Speaker 4: of questions.
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  Speaker 3: So now what happens to Regina? Sorry, Regina. So what
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  Speaker 3: happens to Denise? What happens to Denise George now? Has
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  Speaker 3: she given any interviews? Is she just being silent? Does
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  Speaker 3: she ever work again? Does she go to, I assume.
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  Speaker 2: This is what sucks.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she did give a statement, but against a paywall
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  Speaker 4: of the New York Times. And so, yeah, she gave
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  Speaker 4: a statement to the New York Times, but you can't
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  Speaker 4: see it unless you have a subscription to the New
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  Speaker 4: York Times, which sucks for the entire universe right now
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  Speaker 4: because we're all looking at this global sex trafficking ring
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  Speaker 4: of children. I'm not going to call them young ladies
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  Speaker 4: because they're not. They're kids. They're below the age of 17.
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  Speaker 4: And we can't see what her response was. And her
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  Speaker 4: response was of course, very diplomatic thanking the governor for
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  Speaker 4: appointing her, but also kind of getting a dig in
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  Speaker 4: there saying, look, we're going after a really large case
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  Speaker 4: and she's been removed from the case. The case has
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  Speaker 4: not been struck as of right now in New York city.
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  Speaker 4: And her second in command is now part of that
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  Speaker 4: and leading that charge. But you, She was the fire.
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  Speaker 4: And it's really disappointing to see that she's been fired.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, and not knowing any other people besides
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  Speaker 3: Prince Andrew, which, by the way, in all the Harry
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  Speaker 3: stuff and all that's been going on, he doesn't even
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  Speaker 3: talk about his uncle. Like, we would have so much
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  Speaker 3: respect if he was like, you know what, Megan and
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  Speaker 3: I are really grossed out how my family handled this,
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  Speaker 3: and that is really why we left. that's why we
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  Speaker 3: left and then all that now because we left now
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to give you the the dirt about my
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  Speaker 3: brother pushing me on the dog bowl okay and how
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  Speaker 3: I was how I was a victim I mean I'll
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  Speaker 3: get more I talk more about that on the show
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  Speaker 3: but I'm just saying like why is no one talking
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  Speaker 3: about Prince Andrew Why is no.
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  Speaker 4: One talking about the fact that the reason why he
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  Speaker 4: is who he is is because he's been on the
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  Speaker 4: backs of oppressing people for how long now? And to me,
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  Speaker 4: it's just that family has been oppressing people for.
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  Speaker 3: Beginning of time, whatever.
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  Speaker 4: What was that?
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  Speaker 3: I guess at the beginning of time or as soon as.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I lost you. Hang on a second.
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  Speaker 4: There you are.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, sorry. No, you said that family has been impressing people. Forever. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And so why is it that they are not discussing
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  Speaker 4: these things? I have no idea. And yes, I would
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  Speaker 4: have more respect if they talked about Prince Andrew because
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  Speaker 4: he's a skis.
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  Speaker 3: So I have a very simple question that I've wondered
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  Speaker 3: about for a long time.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 3: We had these victims, survivors. They came forward. They gave testimony.
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  Speaker 3: They are who got Epstein, you know, arrested and behind
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  Speaker 3: bars until he, you know, quote, unquote, killed himself. And
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  Speaker 3: then we have, you know, Maxwell. Do you think, because
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  Speaker 3: this is what I think, maybe they gave names, but
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  Speaker 3: maybe they didn't. Because if you're a 16-year-old girl and
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  Speaker 3: you're being trafficked, do you really know Could you really
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  Speaker 3: recognize one old rich guy from another and be like, well,
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  Speaker 3: this was the president of this financial institution? Well, this
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  Speaker 3: was a politician in Brazil. Like you wouldn't really know.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's kind of why I'm wondering why we
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  Speaker 3: don't have these names as well as cover up.
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  Speaker 2: But maybe that's.
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  Speaker 3: Why as well, too, because 20 years ago, could they
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  Speaker 3: identify them today? And how would they identify them if they're?
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  Speaker 3: you know, being trafficked?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think that there's two parts to that. As
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  Speaker 4: far as from the victim and the survivors, I think
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  Speaker 4: there's so much trauma involved that there are so many
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  Speaker 4: things that could happen. They could have been drugged. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: most trafficking victims that we've worked with, drugs are a
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  Speaker 4: huge part of it. Being inebriated in some way is
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  Speaker 4: a huge part of it. But the trauma involved of
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  Speaker 4: just not knowing what's going on because they're so young
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  Speaker 4: and they've never been part of something like this. I
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  Speaker 4: actually think they know exactly who was part of this
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  Speaker 4: because Epstein was known to be incessantly paranoid. And there
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  Speaker 4: were loads and loads and loads of video that was
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  Speaker 4: found in a safe that magically disappeared because they didn't
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  Speaker 4: have the right judge's orders. And so as a result,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of this video got magically, it just magically disappeared.
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  Speaker 4: And so I think they know exactly who is part
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  Speaker 4: of this.
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  Speaker 3: You mean that the officials know who, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think they know exactly who.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. And I always thought, you know, that's really
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  Speaker 3: how he made his money was that I think he would,
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  Speaker 3: it is just my opinion, have relations with these powerful
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  Speaker 3: people and men, invite them to the island or the
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  Speaker 3: home or whatever, have a crazy night, which involved, using
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  Speaker 3: and trafficking these children. And then be like, you better
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  Speaker 3: give me this money or give me this donation because
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  Speaker 3: I've got video of you, you know, in relations with
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  Speaker 3: a 16-year-old.
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  Speaker 4: So the former CEO, I think his name is Leon
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  Speaker 4: Black of Apollo, paid Epstein $ 158 million. $ 158 million. Now,
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  Speaker 4: why was that? The deeper I've gotten into this, honestly,
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  Speaker 4: the more I see that blackmail was currency. And I
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  Speaker 4: really do believe that a lot of this, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of these numbers that you see, I mean, it's hundreds
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  Speaker 4: of millions of dollars, is about, you know, they were
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  Speaker 4: able to blackmail some very powerful people. And there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of money involved in human trafficking. I mean, whenever the,
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  Speaker 4: you know, various human trafficking organizations say, oh, it's a Well,
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  Speaker 4: it really truly is a billion dollar industry where they
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  Speaker 4: are trafficking not only children, but human beings all over
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  Speaker 4: the world. And so I think, honestly, now that I've
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  Speaker 4: been researching this particular story for as long as I have,
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  Speaker 4: I think that Epstein was just, you know. a pawn
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  Speaker 4: in a much larger scheme. And he was the fall guy.
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  Speaker 4: I think Ghislaine Maxwell is the fall guy. I think
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  Speaker 4: that there are some much larger people afoot, which is
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  Speaker 4: why Denise George was so important. She was, she was
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  Speaker 4: the director of the white collar crimes unit in the
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  Speaker 4: U S Virgin Island for several years. And so she
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  Speaker 4: went after the money and she knew how to do it.
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  Speaker 4: And so that's exactly what she was doing. She was uncovering,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's a 38 page, uh, well, heavily redacted
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  Speaker 4: piece that's on the internet that you can find of
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  Speaker 4: what she submitted to a New York court. And it's,
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  Speaker 4: it's all about the money. And so, yeah, Epstein was
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  Speaker 4: part of it and he's definitely the face of this,
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  Speaker 4: but there's so much money involved in this. And that's
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  Speaker 4: exactly what Denise George had uncovered. And that's exactly, in
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  Speaker 4: my opinion, why she was fired.
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  Speaker 3: Um, just so disappointing. And then with you really being
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  Speaker 3: the only person that I even saw, and you know
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  Speaker 3: how much I'm on the internet and TikTok and everything.
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  Speaker 3: You said now that, um, Do you think your channel
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  Speaker 3: has been shadow banned? Are you getting very little views?
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  Speaker 3: What's happening?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 4: So I got a community guidelines violation that threatened my
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  Speaker 4: entire channel. It's the first one that's ever happened in
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  Speaker 4: all the years, a couple of years I've been doing this.
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  Speaker 4: And it was about stating that Biden was on the
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  Speaker 4: island a day before Denise George got arrested. fired. And
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  Speaker 4: that's all I did. I didn't make an assumption. I
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  Speaker 4: even said in the comments that, you know, correlation is
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  Speaker 4: not causation. But the very fact that you say this
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  Speaker 4: is not a red or a blue problem, this is
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  Speaker 4: not Democrat or Republican, I don't give a shit what
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  Speaker 4: you subscribe to when kids are getting hurt. Go after
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  Speaker 4: the bad guy. I don't care who that ends up being.
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  Speaker 4: Just go after them.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's safe to say it's really powerful, rich, people, again, Republican, Democrat, independent,
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  Speaker 3: who the hell cares? I totally agree. And I just
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  Speaker 3: mentioned it on my Patreon and I got several comments
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  Speaker 3: that were like, Heather, it was the governor that fired her,
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  Speaker 3: not Biden. And I'm like, well, I don't think I
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  Speaker 3: said Biden. I just was saying, hey, this is an
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  Speaker 3: interesting story that popped up while I was in the
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  Speaker 3: Virgin Islands that was A day after he arrived on
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  Speaker 3: his vacation here, this happened. And I think that's just interesting.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I always say. People go, you know, when
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  Speaker 3: Heather says interesting. Yes, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: It's, you know, it's a quink-a-dinkie.
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  Speaker 3: And why is it Voldemort?
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  Speaker 4: You know, like, why are these things like it's like
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  Speaker 4: saying Voldemort and Harry Potter if you say, OK, that
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  Speaker 4: Bill Clinton was a huge part of Epstein's life. That's true.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 4: Why is it Trump was a huge part of Epstein's life?
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  Speaker 4: Why is that so frightening for people to go down
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  Speaker 4: that road and actually just ask questions? It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 4: what the answer is. If kids got hurt. I don't
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  Speaker 4: care who it is. And I guess what I've come
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  Speaker 4: up with, Heather, is that people just don't know what
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  Speaker 4: a trafficked human being looks like. After they are trying
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  Speaker 4: to pick up the pieces. And that's what I've tried
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  Speaker 4: to do on my channel is just show what that
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  Speaker 4: looks like. Because if people actually knew what it was
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  Speaker 4: to pick up the pieces after you have been sold
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  Speaker 4: to rich men, I think that they wouldn't care either
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  Speaker 4: whether or not someone they voted for was part of
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  Speaker 4: hurting a kid. you just don't care anymore. I mean, honestly,
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  Speaker 4: I've told people I'm really close to in my family,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I wouldn't care if it was you. Like
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  Speaker 4: if there was evidence that, you know, you were hurting
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  Speaker 4: a child in this way, I would be coming after
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  Speaker 4: you too, because it's just so damn damaging. And to
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  Speaker 4: see a kid who professionals are saying, there's no fixing them.
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  Speaker 4: There's nothing that we can do to help them. And
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  Speaker 4: just because they were a toy given to rich men,
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  Speaker 4: fuck that. I'm sorry. It's just, I don't care if
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  Speaker 4: you get, you know, yourself upset because we're asking questions
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  Speaker 4: about someone that you really admire, you know, get over it.
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  Speaker 3: I totally agree. And okay, so here's the interesting thing
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  Speaker 3: about my trip. So I took a big Caribbean, Royal
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  Speaker 3: Caribbean cruise back in 2019 in June and June of 2019.
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  Speaker 3: And in that, we took, like, a day trip and
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  Speaker 3: went to one of these things and we went by.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: And the guy, he was from Atlanta, and he was
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: giving us a little tour. Now, this is 2019. Now,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I knew about Jeffrey Epstein from back when he— was
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: before he died or no, this is before he got
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: in trouble again. So this is like the only thing,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: the only way I know the Epstein name was from
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: the 2008, you know, weekend jail situation. Right. And, um, so,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: but I, you know, wasn't super familiar and he goes, Oh,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: and you know, this is, uh, this is Jeffrey Epstein's
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Island and look it up, but presidents have been there
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: and dah, dah, dah. And so I'm like, raise my hand.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, wait a minute, like the talk where,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: and he, he was like, I cannot just, I can't
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: say anything more. And then he's like, came up to
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: me after he's like, don't say anything to anybody that
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: I even said this on the tour.
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: know about the drawer, the drawer. Just the one square
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: before bed.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Or two, you know. Nobody's watching.
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: You deserve a treat.
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: With eight flavours to choose from, you can choose the
• 20:48
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• 20:56
  Speaker 6: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: the Emmys, and I have police complaints filed against me.
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: what would you do if it was given back?
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: started crying.
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: those hard moments that they go through.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: It's about what happens next.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: I decided to risk it all.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I realized how valuable every day was.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: You're worth the work. Listen, Dara, I'm not going to
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: pull punches.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: You can use your voice even if it shakes.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: Only one question matters. What happens next?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, wait a minute. You said da-da-da and said this.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Are you allowed to say what he actually said?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: He just was like saying, look it up. And no
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: one knew what he was talking about because this is
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: before the second wave of Epstein. And I remembered from 2008.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: So I was like, wait. Oh, my God. Oh, I
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: think I screamed out. He's a pedophile. And he's like, okay.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: And then he stopped talking about it. And then I go, wait.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I want to ask you more questions. And he's like, no.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: And don't tell... Anybody that I said this, cause I
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: could get fired from the tour company, but he was
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: just kind of having fun because he's American, you know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: from Atlanta. So then.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: And the governor there, they were all.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: And he, he knew it and he knew he can't
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: talk about it. So now we come back this year.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: And so we add our, we had our own boat
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: that my husband was captaining. So we go around the
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Epstein Island and. I mean, it really is gorgeous. We
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: went around the side. It has this big, beautiful beach.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, look, I know that there are people
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: that may have visited, been on the plane and were
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: invited there that did not partake in hurting children. Rich
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: people invite you on vacations and they're powerful and you
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: want to go to the party. And all of a
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: sudden you're taking a photo with Harvey Weinstein does not
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: mean that you knew everything. I understand that part of it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Because I'm like, yeah, this is incredible. So my question is,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: what is happening to that island? Do you know? Like,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: is someone trying to buy it? And where will the
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: money go?
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: They can't sell it. And it was named in the
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: lawsuit from November. Half the proceeds are going to go
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: to the Virgin Islands. But they can't sell it. Like,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: they can't give the thing away. In my opinion, I
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: think that they need to destroy everything on it. And
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: they need to make it a sanctuary. They need to
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: completely flush that, get some folks on there to bless
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: the island and get all the bad juju off and
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: let it go back to being something for the people
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: of the U.S. Virgin Islands. Because it's bullshit.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: No, it should just be, it should be a public
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: island beach that you could anchor your boat. There should
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: be a restaurant there. You can hang out, you know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: if you, you know, I'm just saying like, why not
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: make it profitable? Because It is really pretty and the
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: beach is really pretty. I don't know. Make it somehow better.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I would not make it an orphanage. I would not
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: make it anything with kids. I would just make it
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: like something that, hey, if you want to go to
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: this beach because it's a gorgeous beach, you can and
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: maybe in 10 years. people will go there and not
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: always associate. I don't know. But what was the deal
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: with the white thing at the top that I remember
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: people said there were drone footage and who knows if
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: that's true, that it was like, I don't know if
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: that was the massage place or the sanctuary or do
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: you ever remember hearing about that, that little white building
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: at the top? It's like a square.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: The dome. Yeah.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: It got ruined in a hurricane, which I'm a person
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: of faith. And I think that, you know, I think
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: the universe was just like, fuck that island, fuck that
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: dome and just destroy. Am I allowed to curse?
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: Uh, it destroyed that, you know, the, the, the, uh,
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: marker of that island, because I do think that it
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: was probably a trigger for the victims and the survivors
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: of this.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: I do. Um, uh, there's a lot of speculation of
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: what was in the dome, uh, But no, I've never
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: seen anything definitive, but a lot of people have said
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: that it was very ritualistic, which I would believe because Epstein,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: the Harvard connection with Epstein was so super creepy. He
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: was into, he wanted to cryogenic or cryo freeze his penis.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: And he wanted to make a race of Epstein kids, right?
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: And he was studying how to create more superhumans with
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: his sperm. And he was doing that through Harvard. That
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: was one of the things he wanted to do in
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: New Mexico was get women pregnant and just make like
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: a baby factory, which, you know, that is happening. And
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: of course, this is another Voldemort subject that, you know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: you're not allowed to talk about that. Women's wombs are
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: being rented out for rich people. They are. It happens
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: in Ukraine. It happens in Russia. It happens in the
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: United States. It happens on Facebook. And it's, you know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: he was a very ritualistic, weird, eccentric human being. And
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: the more photos that have gotten out of the way
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: he lived in New York. And it's just he had
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: eyeballs all along his hallway in his New York townhouse.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the art.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: The art was so weird. Yeah, he was a very ritualistic,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: creepy guy. So I would assume that the dome was
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: something along those lines, but who knows.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I just remember seeing drone footage somehow, and you never
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: know how much was true of it. But it does
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: stand by itself. It does look very odd. It does
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: look really weird. And it got destroyed. Yeah.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Mother Nature was like, fuck those people.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: But it's still the white part. I mean, the main
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: part of it is still there. And then there's, like,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: two houses, you know. And then there's, like, the beach
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: that you come in. And there's all these signs, no trespassing,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: no trespassing, no trespassing, all over it.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Did you have, like, you seem to be a very
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: intuitive person. Like, when you were around in 2018 and
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: then now, did you feel, like, bad things? vibes did like,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: or did you just look at it and you're like, oh,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: it's a really beautiful place. Like, did you sense anything
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: when you were around that place?
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, right when the guy said it, I was like, yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Epstein's a, like, I remembered the story, but I, it's
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: crazy that that all happened in 2008. And then he
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: was having dinner parties after that I mean, Chelsea Handler
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: has talked about it herself. She got invited by Katie Couric.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: She went to a dinner there with Woody Allen and
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Sun Yi. And I remember being like, I went to
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein's town hall. And I'm like, isn't that like
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: the pedophile? And again, because of what we were fed,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: it was like, oh, he hired, you know, whatever his
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: defense was, he hired some, you know, prostitutes that might
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: have been 17. It's sort of like the way it
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: was fed to us. You know, and then, of course,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: now we know everything. Then he went to the middle
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: schools of the poorer neighborhoods. And, I mean, just horrific
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: of what happened in that case. But, like, you know,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: in defense of people, like I said, that may have
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: gone there. You don't always, like, you know, you're rising
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: in clout and you're becoming a star and people are
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: inviting you to cool stuff. And you don't really... go
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: and Google everything before you go.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Pick me up at eight.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I'll go, you know?
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: So, and I think we're looking all at this also
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: through the eyes of modernity because.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: What's modernity mean? I don't even know what that word means.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Like modern day eyes.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Because in 2008, I don't think people understand. It's only
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: recent that we've started to publicly value, uh, 17 year
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: olds as a kid, uh, and going, okay, their brains
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: aren't fully functioning yet. Their, They're not fully grown. They're
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: important members of our society, but they also can be
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: vulnerable to power structure. Back then in 2008, if you
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: said a 17-year-old was a prostitute, they would have blamed
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: the 17-year-old. Oh, that's her fault for being there. What
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: was she wearing? And I think in 2022, we've become
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: more evolved. But when people talk about the 2008 story, like,
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: why didn't anybody know? Well, it's because everybody was still
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: blaming women then.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: It's a very recent thing that we've started going, eh,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: maybe it's not the prostitutes.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: It's maybe the, you know, the demand. And we know
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: now that they were much younger than 17. Like I said,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: they were at the middle school. And these girls were desperate.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: And they'd even tell their friend, if you want to
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: make $ 200, like, come with me. It'd be with this
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: gross guy. Because they were... poor and desperate. Well, and I,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: and got roped into it as well and got, you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: it's horrible.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: And that he was, you know, he was part of a,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: he went to on vacation to a camp, an artist
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: camp in what was it? Michigan. And he built a
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: home there where there was a bunch of kids who
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: were artists around him. There were the townhouse or the
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: piece of property that he has in New York that
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: was recently sold, what used to be owned by the
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Catholic Church. It was I believe it was an orphanage
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: of some kind. And then it was turned into this
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: really high end private, I believe, girls school there. And
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: he bought that he's property like he was a sick
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: human being. And PS, everybody fucking knew it in 2008.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: They knew it. 10 years later, all of the people
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: who were like, we didn't know like when Bill Gates
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: had that interview, which all by the way, if you
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: say him on the internet, your, your channel gets messed
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: with too. But Bill Gates knew. They knew. Everybody knew.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: It's just they decided that just like Harvey Weinstein, well,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: you know, that's just kind of the breaks of that business.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: You know, he's really well connected. You don't want to
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: make him mad. I mean, I was at a party
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: in L.A. one time. Did I tell you this? I
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: was at a party in L.A. one time and I
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: was at a sushi bar and I was broke. And
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: they had this huge spread. I can't remember what party
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: it was. And I'm like sitting there getting food. And
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: this guy comes up and he pushes himself into the
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: back of me, right? And I turn around and I'm like,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: who the fuck are you? And I was like, yeah, no,
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: we're not doing that. And I mouthed off to him
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: and the person I was with came up to me
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: and they were like, do you have any idea who
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: that was? And I was like, I don't give a
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: shit who that was. I don't want his old wrinkly
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: balls in my back. And they were like, that was
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Harvey Weinstein. And I was like, I don't care. And
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: I didn't know who he was. And it, but it
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: was like, I had just desecrated like some sacred thing
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: because I told this guy to get bent because he
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: stuck his like thing in my back. And but it
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: was that was the acceptable way to behave to protect
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: people like that. And PS, everyone at the party was
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: yelling at me, telling me and I was young, telling
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: me that how what an idiot I was for mouthing
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: off to the guy. And I was like, so it's
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: okay for him just to walk up to a perfect
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: stranger and like shove himself at a sushi bar.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: No, I just I remember I had a friend who
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: was setting me up with this like very powerful music
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: producer guy that was like way older. And I was like,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: he's kind of funny. I go, but I don't, I'm
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: not interested. She's like, well, he really likes you. I'm like,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: he's like so much older than me, right? I go,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not interested. She goes, Heather, I mean, you're 27
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: and he likes you and you're like the oldest girl
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: that he's dated. This guy was like 57. And I'm like, oh,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: so I should like grab onto this while I can.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Like just the fact that people, I mean, just talk
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: like that. And yes, it's all, you know, that aspect
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: of it is very true. And, I will say.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: That's how they got these young girls from Les Wexner.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: They were like, do you want a career in modeling?
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Because this guy owns Victoria's Secret or Donald Trump owning
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Miss Universe. This was such a good lead in line
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: for artists who had stars in their eyes who wanted
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: a career.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, you can have a career and you could be
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: near these powerful men. And if you're young, if you
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: don't have a support system at home going, Hey, don't
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: be dumb, Shannon. Or if you don't have a little
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: bit of moxie or street smarts going, yeah, you don't
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: get to, you know, shove your old wrinkly balls at me. Um,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: you're like, I want to advance in a career. And that's,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: that's how they got into a lot of these really
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: beautiful girls who just, you know, were vulnerable to them.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: And it, Makes me sick that Denise George was the
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: only person. And if you notice, everything about this case, Heather,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: women were often the ones who were going, I don't
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: care who was involved. I'm going to go after them anyway.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: It really was. It's been women. And it just makes
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: me mad that she's been fired.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: So now do you think, and then we're going to
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: wrap up, but do you think that, because everyone thought like, okay,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: when is Ghislaine going to like spill the beans? And
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, it wouldn't even help her if she
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: spilled the beans now. It would almost only hurt her
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: because she has to do these whatever, 30 years, no
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: matter what. The time to have done it, which she
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: may have done it, and they still didn't go after
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: them because who they are, would have been leading up
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: to trial to like cut a deal. What do you
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: think happened with all of that?
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Well, she already did. So Judge Preska in New York City,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: Virginia Giuffre went to Judge Preska and says, I want
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: you to open up all the names. I don't want
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: anything redacted.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: And Virginia was the main it was the main the
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: most like vocal and well-known publicized victim. And she is
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: the one that went to the nightclub with Prince Andrew
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: and has the photo and all of that. Right. Okay.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: So continue.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: And so she went and she was like, you know,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: I want everybody's names out there. And Ghislaine at first
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: was like, no, no, no. But then after she was convicted,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: she was like, go ahead, open it. It was Judge Preska.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: in New York City, who said, nah, we're not going to...
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: It's really going to be bad for a lot of people,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: so we're not going to open up a lot of them.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Because we don't know if it was just like you
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: were saying earlier, that they just happenstance knew each other.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: But no, this is of public interest. There are a
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: lot of very powerful people involved. This is a very
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: public case. She has zero right to say... No, we're
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: going to keep these under wraps. And it's very interesting
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: to look at Judge Preska's background, too, because she's got
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: money in a lot of different places that have connections
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: and all of it's like a spider web of power.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: So we do have the names. The people in our
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: justice system have decided to protect them. And it's like
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: money is winning out. So so Ghislaine Maxwell has said, fine,
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: open it up, but. but it's our justice system that
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: has said, maybe not.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: But could she ever, whatever, write a big long essay
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: and send it to you? Like, do you think she'll
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: ever just be like, I've got a fucking juicy story
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: to tell or write a book from prison or give
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: an interview or whatever, or no, because then she would
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: be killed?
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Because I don't, understand what it is
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: to live in a body and a soul that could
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: carry the weight of so many victims and then shut
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: up about it. I don't understand it.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: No, I think she's just, yeah, a really evil soulless person.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: I think you're right. So maybe she just doesn't really care.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: I don't know. And like after I had this like
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: evil feeling about her after I read the instructions that
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: she gave the staff.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: You remember that?
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Remind us.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: It was this handbook for Jeffrey Epstein's estate, which, by
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: the way, looked like Floridian grandparent retirees from Boca. That's
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: the way the house looked and everything else. It was
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: so bizarre when I saw the pictures. But she had
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: this handbook that was like, don't look at, you know,
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Lady Ghislaine and Master Epstein. And I remember one of
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: the people who were on the stand, his name was Juan,
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: I believe. And she she insisted that he change his
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: name to John. I mean, it was just the way
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: they treated the staff was so impersonal. they weren't allowed
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: to discuss their personal lives. They didn't want them to
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: be human at all. And when I looked into that,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: because that bothered me so much, because I just think
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: you know so much about people. when they treat like
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: the bussers or the servers at a restaurant terribly. You
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: just know a lot about them. This was that on steroids.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: And I remember looking into it and all of the
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: folks that were on our channel that were from England
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: was like, this is totally normal. And I'm like, no,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: it's not. There's nothing normal about treating the people who
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: are in your home every single day literally once. washing
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: your vibrators, because that was one of Juan's jobs, washing
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: the vibrators in the sex basket that they had them
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: the massage. And him not being able to use his
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: own name. You know, it like that says everything you
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: need to know about that woman. And I think that
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: there's a chip missing. And in my opinion, if she
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: ever sees your amazing show, I believe her, her job
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: to redeem herself in this life, her soul is to
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: come forward and say something.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Be a, be an advocate. I mean, she's the only
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: one who's taken the fall.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So totally true. Yeah.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Well, gosh, ironic that all of these men have done
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: this and a woman is in prison.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: It says it all. It really does. It really does.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: And then a woman got fired for being really good
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: at her job.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Well, God, I'm really glad you came on. Thank you
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: so much. And, you know, tell everyone where they can
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: follow you.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Well, at Ivy Family Farms is our TikTok channel. That's
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: the one where I do a lot of reporting. However,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: we're getting, you know, community guidelines. So at Shannon underscore
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: Ivy is my backup account. And I'll keep talking about that.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: But you're also on Instagram and you post there too.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: So what's the Instagram?
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: At Ivy Family Farms and it's Ivy E-Y.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: So maybe just follow that just so then, because I
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: know it still pops up.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: And your show is amazing, too. It's so fun. And
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: you do such good work.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Well, good. I mean, I like to have it fun,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: but this is super juicy. And you got so much
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: info out, and I really appreciate you going for it.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: And everything that you do on your farm and for
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: kids and everything is just amazing. So just keep fighting along.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: I really appreciate you.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, you've got such a good heart. You're good people,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Heather McDonald.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Hey, you're welcome.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: I'll talk to you soon.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Thanks.
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: Bye.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: That was so informative and so very juicy. Now for
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: some real fun juice with my good friend, Carlos King.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I return guest third time, actually,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: because Carlos King, we did a show here in LA,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Willen Hill Studios. You did my live show in New York,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: which was such a big hit. And now you're back
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: here in L.A. Welcome back, Carlos King.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me back. Listen, you know I love you.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I love the Scoopers. I'm a juicy Scooper.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I know. Okay, so Lisa Rinna has left Beverly Hills.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: And I didn't talk about it. I saved it for you. Um, I, I,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: when I saw it, I did writer.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Is this a Juicy Scoop exclusive?
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: It's not that juicy. I just said, you know, I
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: think everybody doesn't know what to say in those situations.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: So I said, congrats on leaving the show. I love
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: your Rinna beauty. I'm wearing the lipstick stuff now. It
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: is the best. I tell everybody. And I said, come on,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop. Let's sell the shit out of that Rinna beauty.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Yes. And she did just a bunch of hearts. And
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I just let it be.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Listen, I love her. Do I think she left?
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: No.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Allegedly.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think she left. Listen.
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: No.
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: We know this being in Hollywood and being in the business.
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: And I know this being a former Housewives producer who
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: did nine years of Atlanta and two years of Jersey.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: It's like the mafia. You just don't leave.
• 43:26
  Speaker 9: And if you do leave, like Lisa Vanderpump left because
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: she didn't want to deal with her actions.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Didn't want to do the reunion.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lucy, Lucy, Apple Juicy. You know, there were reasons
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 43:36
  Speaker 9: Lisa Rinna is a working actress who's been in the business.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: For a long time. You're not going to leave your
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: longest running gig.
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: It's hard to get a gig in Hollywood, especially, and
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: this is a bad thing, especially for women over a
• 43:52
  Speaker 9: particular age, right? The doors aren't knocking like they used to.
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: They're knocking for Kimberly Noel Kardashian, not Lisa fucking Renna.
• 43:59
  Speaker 9: So I feel sad that she got let go, allegedly.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: But... So.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Why did they let her go? Why do you think
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: they let her go?
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I want to tell you something.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: I do want you to tell me something.
• 44:13
  Speaker 9: I believe the casting decisions from these executives... are now
• 44:19
  Speaker 9: being made based off of Twitter. The response that these
• 44:22
  Speaker 9: housewives are getting on Twitter. Lisa Rinna became highly unlikable
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: her last two seasons. And the Twitter mafia of the
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: housewives mob, they were very, very vocal about their disdain
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: for Lisa Rinna.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: It's the reason why my friend Tamara Judge got let go,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Dorinda Medley, Vicki Gobinson, It's based upon the atmosphere of Twitter.
• 44:52
  Speaker 9: And because Lisa Rinna got booed at BravoCon... And then
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: she did the flip-off.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I was there.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and listen.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the audience kind of loved it. They kind
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: of cheered. They kind of were like, all right, give
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: it back to us, girl.
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and I also think a lot of it was
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: the fact that, listen, as the creator of shows and
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: as somebody who casts reality stars... It's not in your
• 45:14
  Speaker 9: best benefit to diss the hand that fed you.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: So I think all of that was just like, went
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: into the decision.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Also on In the Housewives, she was like, then put
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: me on pause, Andy.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: And, but I also think, you know, obviously it all
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: came down to, are you Kathy Hilton or are you
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Lisa Rinna? What's the truth? And, you know, and I
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: really think, This accusation that, again, there was no audio
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: or visual of it, which is Kathy Hilton, in a
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: fit of rage of not having this DJ play her
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: best friend Latoya's brother's music, Michael Jackson, she, at one point,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: threw out the racial slur. Yes.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: No, the gay slur.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Homophobic slur.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: She said the F word.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, the homophobic slur. And this got out there.
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: And I think the people that allegedly heard it, which
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: was Lisa Renna, thought, well, my God, you know, half
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: of Bravo audience are gay men. And won't they be
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: furious with this? And they fucking weren't.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: They weren't. They were not.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: They were like... Hey, you've been drinking all day in Aspen.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: You had a rough day. You wore slippers in the airport.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: She wanted to listen to Michael Jackson and they wouldn't
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: play it. And you're a 62 year old woman and
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: it came out of your mouth. We know you aren't
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: trying to take our rights away to get married. And
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: we you gave us Paris Hilton and we'll never turn
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: our back on you. And they just didn't really care.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: And then everybody else was like, why does she keep
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: bringing it up? And I think part of the reason
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: she brought it up was because I think she was
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: being a good little writer, producer, actress.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: And so she'd come to the party of Crystal's whatever
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: 1920s party and she would bring it up. And I
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: even think she might have gotten some pats on the
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: back or a wink or whatever from the producers. But
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: to the people at home... who are really thinking they're
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: watching a reality show, are like, God, Lisa, like, let
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: it go. You're causing problems for Kyle and her sister. Like,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: who cares? And so then the division happened. And, of course,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: it caused a lot of stress for Kathy and blah, blah, blah.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: And so I think that happened. And then the other
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: thing I think happened was the messiness– With the social media.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: And this crazy kid, Patrick Summers, if he exists or not,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: if he's a woman, if he's a man, if he's
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: a catfish, if he's Andy Cohen himself, I don't fucking know.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, theory.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Who the hell knows who this cat is? But he
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: threw himself in. And I wonder if, like, I don't
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: think Lisa ever was, like, typing or anything or getting
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: these awful things to say to Garcelle's son or whoever.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: No way.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: No way. But I think somehow she, one night when
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: she was dancing alone in her free people sweats on
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: her Mexican paper floors by herself and her sponge yellow
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: painted walls. And Harry hasn't been seen. He's been making
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: sauce for 12 hours. She gets on the phone and
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: these fans start coming in, you know, or like DMs.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: And she befriends some of these people that she doesn't
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: know from Adam.
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: But she's happy that she thinks she's got a fan
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: and a friend. And somehow it got messy. Somehow there's
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: some weird connection. And it's like, you know what? We
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: should just put you on pause. Let's let this story
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: die because it could be very, very bad for you. Yeah.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I agree with that. No, I do. And listen... Lisa
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Rinna did not help herself.
• 49:22
  Speaker 9: And that's the reason why when you are a housewife,
• 49:25
  Speaker 9: and this is not a reality star, not the chick
• 49:28
  Speaker 9: from 90 Day Fiancé, not the teen mom in Idaho.
• 49:31
  Speaker 9: When you are a housewife, you have this tsunami of
• 49:36
  Speaker 9: of fans who are in your DMs and you have
• 49:39
  Speaker 9: to know when to cut the shit. You have to
• 49:41
  Speaker 9: separate that from your life. And the problem with Lisa Rinna,
• 49:44
  Speaker 9: I think she had too much time on her hands.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
• 49:48
  Speaker 9: I think she allowed the fans to really get to her.
• 49:53
  Speaker 9: And it was sad to see because she is a
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: professional woman in Hollywood where she was taught, you sort
• 50:00
  Speaker 9: of let that world be that world and not let
• 50:03
  Speaker 9: it impact your life. She became unlikable. I used to
• 50:07
  Speaker 9: love Lisa Rinna. I am not a Kathy Hilton stan.
• 50:11
  Speaker 9: Do I believe Kathy said the F word?
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do. I'm a gay man. I believe it.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to say something to you.
• 50:20
  Speaker 9: As much as I believe she said it, Lisa Renner
• 50:23
  Speaker 9: was so unlikable that I, too, as a gay man, said, Lisa,
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: shut the fuck up.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Who cares anymore? And that's, I'm being honest about it.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: It's because Lisa was so unlikable. You brought this little
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: envelope from Kinko's. There was nothing in it.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Wait, was that at the reunion?
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: At the reunion.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
• 50:43
  Speaker 9: She walked out with this manila envelope, okay? Like she
• 50:47
  Speaker 9: was the main juror on a trial. She hid it
• 50:50
  Speaker 9: behind her pillow and never once brought it out. And
• 50:54
  Speaker 9: then the fans were like, what happened to this envelope?
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Where's your receipts? Andy Cohen said on his radio show, oh,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: it was nothing about what Kathy said. It was other stuff.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I think it was the Elton John stuff.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: The Elton John stuff.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: And it just wasn't juicy enough for the show.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Who gives a fuck? The problem is this.
• 51:15
  Speaker 9: Lisa Renner did not do herself any favors by biting
• 51:19
  Speaker 9: the hand that feeds her. You have to learn this
• 51:22
  Speaker 9: is a game of politics. You have to understand that.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 51:27
  Speaker 9: Although the fans are reading me for filth, they're booing
• 51:30
  Speaker 9: me at BravoCon, I know that at the end of
• 51:32
  Speaker 9: the day, none of those motherfuckers are signing my paycheck.
• 51:36
  Speaker 9: And now Lisa Rinna is forced to stay at home
• 51:40
  Speaker 9: and help Harry Hamlin with his lines.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:44
  Speaker 9: That's what she's been reduced to. I think she's sad,
• 51:48
  Speaker 9: and I'm going to say this to you. I feel
• 51:50
  Speaker 9: bad for her. She lost her mom. and now she
• 51:53
  Speaker 9: lost her job. And I think we all need to
• 51:56
  Speaker 9: give her some grace for that, because that's tough. And
• 51:59
  Speaker 9: you know this because you know her personally. That's really
• 52:02
  Speaker 9: sad when you really think about it that way. But
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: I do think, like Tamra Judge, she's going to be
• 52:08
  Speaker 9: put on pause for one season, and I think next
• 52:10
  Speaker 9: season she'll come back.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: It's what she should do. Really sell this fucking lipstick,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: because it is really good.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Is it really good?
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: It really is so good. Anyway, I just like it
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: so much. Anyway, focus on that, and then I don't think,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: I think there's a possibility that they have another reality
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: show with her family. I don't think she should take it.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not watching that.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: I don't think she should take it. I don't think
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: it's good for her girls. I don't think it's good
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: for her family.
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: No way.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: I think she should focus, enjoy, go on some trips, whatever,
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: go modeling with the daughters. Definitely go on the next
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Ultimate Girls trip.
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: Yes!
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: And have fun like that. And stay relevant that way
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: and have fun that way. But maybe you don't ever
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: have to be on the show regularly. I mean, you're,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, she is 60 or close to it.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: She's got such a good body. She looks so good.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: So good.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Like, why don't you go back and be on like
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: a lifetime? Just have some fun. I know it won't
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: pay as much as Housewives. But like, you have money.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: You'll be fine.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Your house is paid for.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, we're good.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: You're good. You're good. But I will say this.
• 53:25
  Speaker 9: If Crystal and Dorit are back, that's a fucking problem.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: So what do you think should happen there?
• 53:33
  Speaker 9: If you got rid of Lisa Rinna and you're keeping Dorit.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: That's a slap in the face to Lisa Rinna.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Well, of course, Lisa Rinna, I mean, I think she's
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: always brought stuff. Like, I just, you know, she was
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: the one, like, Munchausen's. That was juicy stuff. Yeah. And
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: we were all thinking it. And whether it was fed
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: to her by a fan herself or Lisa Vanderpump or
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: a producer, who cares? It got us a juicy show. Like,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: so she always kept it moving along with looking gorgeous,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: being funny, and being kind of a hoot. So, like, yeah,
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: I think... Did her head get too big? Whatever. Maybe,
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: but she was never mean like a Dorinda.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: No, she wasn't a mean drunk.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: She wasn't mean.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: And I love Dorinda, but she wasn't a mean drunk.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: She wasn't mean.
• 54:21
  Speaker 9: She was funny, but that's the reason why, listen, as
• 54:24
  Speaker 9: a former Housewives producer, I will say this to you.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: I also blame the producers of that show.
• 54:29
  Speaker 9: Because they should have reeled Lisa Rinna in and saying, look, girl,
• 54:34
  Speaker 9: this is too much. Calm down a bit because I
• 54:37
  Speaker 9: can tell you this. Once this shit airs, they're going
• 54:40
  Speaker 9: to turn on you. Thank you for giving us the
• 54:43
  Speaker 9: story of Kathy Hilton. We appreciate that. But let us
• 54:46
  Speaker 9: help you navigate through that. I'm hoping they gave her
• 54:50
  Speaker 9: that sort of grace because when you look at the season,
• 54:55
  Speaker 9: and I'm going to just say it, Dorit and Crystal
• 54:59
  Speaker 9: are the most boring Beverly Hills housewives I have seen
• 55:02
  Speaker 9: since Carlton.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I'm over it.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Carlton was the witch.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Who put some voodoo on Kyle, allegedly.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: You know, like, Dorit is modeling her dresses that we
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: haven't seen the payoff of. She fucking decorated the corner
• 55:20
  Speaker 9: of an Italian restaurant that.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Joe Gorga used to own. Do you know what I mean?
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: Like, no one cares about that. Crystal, to me, is
• 55:28
  Speaker 9: a liar, liar, pants on fire. Not the leather pants
• 55:31
  Speaker 9: she wore that was so ugly. The other pants. I
• 55:34
  Speaker 9: believe Crystal heard... Kathy Hilton, say the F word. But
• 55:39
  Speaker 9: because Crystal is involved in this very exclusive 90210 friendship group.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: And was friends with Kathy.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, she protected Kathy.
• 55:48
  Speaker 9: Crystal's alliance is to Kathy Hilton and her friend group,
• 55:52
  Speaker 9: not the 14 who dropped her like a bad habit.
• 55:54
  Speaker 9: I'm talking about this very exclusive friendship group that Kathy
• 55:57
  Speaker 9: Hilton's a part of.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: She's more loyal to that than the show. Crystal is
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: like watching paint dry.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I think Crystal... is gorgeous.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Beyond.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: And she is in love with her husband, and she's
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: a good mom, and she's rich, and that is just
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: not what makes a good housewife.
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: No.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Like, it makes a good person walking on this earth.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: A great human being. But, yeah, and.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I think she'll stay and
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. And maybe they'll bring in some
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: other girls that she has history with that could be
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: kind of fun for her to like have some fun
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: or some disagreements with or whatever. But I think, yeah,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, no, Lisa Rinna's departure is a loss to the show.
• 56:51
  Speaker 9: And unless they have somebody who's going to get in
• 56:53
  Speaker 9: there and do the dirty work, because again, she knew
• 56:56
  Speaker 9: how to stir the pot, right?
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: None of those girls are doing that. I'm a huge
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: fan of Kyle Richards. Unpopular, I know, but who gives
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: a fuck?
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I think everyone likes Kyle.
• 57:05
  Speaker 9: It's funny, but again, when you base this off of
• 57:08
  Speaker 9: Housewives Twitter, they hate Kyle.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: But it's not the real world. Right.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, if a million people are watching and only
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: like 300 are tweeting about it, I don't know why
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: you would take the advice of the 300 tweeters.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:21
  Speaker 9: Kyle is the mainstay of the show, but Kyle knows
• 57:24
  Speaker 9: not to get her hands super dirty.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Erika Jayne, to me, is.
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: fascinating she's a great villain I love her to pieces
• 57:31
  Speaker 9: I think she's great but she also had Lisa Rinna
• 57:34
  Speaker 9: to sort of like be that Thelma to her Louise
• 57:38
  Speaker 9: there's not one person at least Garcelle's not doing it
• 57:41
  Speaker 9: no Sutton ain't doing shit who is going to be
• 57:48
  Speaker 9: the messy messenger we thought Brandi Glanville but she's doing
• 57:51
  Speaker 9: Ultimate Girls Trip for the 15th time and they're not.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Gonna ask her to be back on Housewives I don't
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: think so ever Unless she marries someone really rich or
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: is dating someone really rich.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Well, that's not happening.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Otherwise, I mean, we... Yeah.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: So, well, we'll see what happens, but it'll be exciting.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: Lisa Vanderpump, she reacted to it. There's no reason... She'll
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: never come back. There's no reason to. She's got Vanderpump rules.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: No need.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Are Diana Jenkins left?
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Has anyone.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: It is really crazy when they... I don't have it here,
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: but they did like the.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Her old face with this face and it really can
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: you look up her old face with this face it
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: oh really I have never seen someone that looks so
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: unrecognizable she was a pretty person before but it's like
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: she she got more than lip injections she got like
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: a lip lift and a nose job and then filler
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: in her face and it's like I mean honestly like
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: if she was your friend you would not be able
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: to recognize her like walking in an airport you wouldn't
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: it's crazy.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Was she, like, running away from the police? And, like,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: is she on the run? I don't know.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: It's just one of those, like, plastic surgery faces that, like,
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: look so incredibly different. It's like.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Let me just send that, like... Yeah, look how different
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: it is. is yeah she was weird.
• 59:12
  Speaker 9: And boring and it didn't work out she only did
• 59:16
  Speaker 9: this show to get famous That was it.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: And then you realize, you know what, being famous isn't
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: fun when everybody's writing you horrible things. Look at that.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. She looks like one of those people
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: that was on Rock of Love.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she looks so different. Like, so, so different. Oh, wow.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: I think she just got, like, a lot of filler
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: in her face or something.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: Anyway, there you go.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Bye, Diana.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Bye, Diana. So she's gone. We knew that was going
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: to happen. Oh, wait, let me go back to this.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: Hold on. Okay. Okay. So Diana's gone. Okay. Did you
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: hear that? She just got fired from Southern Charm.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: Catherine.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Where's the tea?
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Okay. So the tea on Catherine Dennis, she's been on
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: since for eight years on Southern Charm. Do you know
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: much about Southern Charm?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: I know a little bit about it.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: She was an original cast member. She was 21 when
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: she joined and a pretty tall redheaded girl and got
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: with the this guy on it who was this 50-year-old man,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: had two kids out of wedlock in between breakups with him.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: She's had drug issues. She's had fighting with the kid, like,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: you know, custody with this guy. He's had accusations of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: sexual assault. In the end, he now has custody of this, like,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: seven- and six-year-old girl. She leaves him. They're broken up.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: His name is Thomas Ravenel.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: And she gets with this other guy who coincidentally has
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: the same last name, Ravenel, which is like this big
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: name in, you know, in the South. Yeah. But he's black,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: but his last name is Ravenel. Oh. And he's cute,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: and they're a couple, okay? I'm fascinated. And they're a couple.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: They're a couple.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: And there was some things of her being accused in
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: Twitter back and forth of her being racist. So then
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: she gets this boyfriend who's black and people are like,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: why are you doing that? But there are a couple
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: like for a while. And then she says, um, then
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: there's accusations or something going on that did he, uh,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: physically assault her and she had a black guy. They
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: do a full investigation. They, there's no proof that he
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: did anything. It could have been a filler. We don't know. Anyway,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: for all those reasons, I'm assuming just my opinion. they're like, goodbye.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: You're just too much. Also, she wouldn't show up to stuff.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, bye.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: She was a diva. She wasn't good to the production team.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: She was constantly drama, and she wasn't really that clever.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: It was just something weird and sad. She was always
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: like freaking, and they're always like, is she okay? Wasn't
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: a good friend. She's just a big flake. So I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: don't know what, but she's been on the show since
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: she was 21 years old. And I really wonder, when
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: you're already an unstable person, And a third of your
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: life was just being a star for doing nothing, making money,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: having people be like, ah, Catherine! You know, when you're not,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: you didn't write a song, you weren't an actor. Now
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: you're 30, and you've been dumped from this show. Like, wow,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: if I was someone close to her, I'd be a
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: little bit scared about where she's going to end up.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: I guess OnlyFans is the first one.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Danielle Stobbs on OnlyFans, too. Did you know that?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: Did you know that Denise Richards did a 60% off
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: sale for the holidays?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: What is she selling?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: OnlyFans.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: But what is she selling on OnlyFans?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: Sexy stuff.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Have you seen it?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: No, but I mean, the way those girls really make
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: their money is they correspond almost like a webcam girl,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: like DMing with certain men. They make the money for
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: someone paying $ 10 or $ 20 a month to see their
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: sexy photos. But the way you really make the money
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: is you get a guy... Oh, to start to talk
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: to you. And okay, for $ 100, I'll talk to you.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: For $ 1, 500, I'll do a video chat with you. That's
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: how you really, really– and I don't know that she's
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: doing that. But the 60% off for the holidays and
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: she wore like a Santa outfit. You know what it
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: made me say? I go, you know, I am so
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: glad that I never was that hot.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 9: Heather, I mean, with the Lisa Rinna Beauty makeup, I
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 9: think you look very hot today.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm happy, but I'm saying like sometimes being a
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: really attractive person, whether you use it for acting or not,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: is kind of such a curse because it's always like
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: if you didn't have to develop anything else. And she
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: is an actress and stuff, but then she gets in
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: this position, which is, I believe Charlie Sheen, who was
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: giving her so much money. The kids are now over 18.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: She has a third child. She adopted who special needs.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: She has the Aaron boyfriend who had the weird business
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: of whatever that was with a very expensive office, uh,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: real estate-wise, in Malibu, right on PCH. Don't know if
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: he still has it. I don't know how many people
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: were really going to him for, like, wave therapy or
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: whatever it was. Then she gets let go from the housewives.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: And she's going to Canada, doing these crappy movies, and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: then her daughter does OnlyFans, and she's like, I guess
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: I'll do OnlyFans.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: There's still a bunch of A mother-daughter special?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: They don't do stuff together, but I think she was like, look,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: there's a bunch of still, you know, 50-year-old creeps that
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: have been jerking off to me since I made out
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: with that girl in the pool or whatever.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: Guilty as charged as a teenage boy.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: And they live at their mother's house, and they've got
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: extra income to have an OnlyFans girlfriend. Extra lube.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the thing is this. I think Catherine needs
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: to do that. No, listen. Listen, listen, listen.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: No shame in the game.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Go.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 9: I'm going to tell you guys this. As a reality producer,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 9: there's no life after Bravo for you. Breaking News 911.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 9: And the network knows that, which is why when they
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 9: get let go of the show, you can't go anywhere.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Because Newsflash, Newsflash, when you try to pitch... a former
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: housewife to another network, they don't want her. And the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: feedback that you get is this person is so branded
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: as a housewife that she does nothing for our network. Now, listen,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: there's different rules to the system, right? One may get.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 9: Involved and make that way, but 99% of them, there
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 9: isn't life after Bravo for you. There just isn't in
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 9: terms of getting back on television.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: So, Catherine... Listen, Denise Richards arguably is.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 9: An icon for all of the teenage boys like myself
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 9: who whacked off to.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Her when they were a teen. But after Housewives... nothing
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: has happened to her career.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 9: And you would think, like, she would do more movies
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 9: that Kyle Richards in. She's in a box office Halloween movie,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 9: brought Jamie Lee Curtis on the show. Denise Richards came
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 9: to bring Charlie Sheen to do a scene at a
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 9: lunch spot with the daughter.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 9: So it's going to be hard for Catherine to do
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 9: anything outside of being a lack of a Southern belle.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, that's the scoop there. Um... Okay, let's talk
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: about New Jersey.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: Oh, boy.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: You got me in trouble, Heather MacDonald.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: You got me in trouble.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Heather!
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: You got me in trouble.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: How?
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Melissa's not happy with me.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: What did she say?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: First of all, you came on here.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Are you blaming me?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: And you shared... No, I loved it. I loved it.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: You shared the age-old question... Was Teresa blindsided? Was Melissa
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: campaigning to get on this show? And, yes, it has
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: been proven through Daniel Taub and everybody else, she wanted
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: to be on the show. Does that make her a
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: bad person? No, but she wasn't honest with her sister,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: and then some other things have come out that she
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: has allegedly was, you know, kind of excited to go
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: at her in this situation. We don't know.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: So....
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: So Melissa then reached out to me and was like,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: I'm so hurt, you know, because I like Joe and Melissa.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: I one time interviewed them on Wendy when I was
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: guest hosting. I had her come on my like a
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: live few years ago with Margaret. I really went out
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: to dinner with them. I like them as a couple.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: And I was like. And I wrote back to her
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: and I go, what does it even really matter? I'm sorry.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Listen, I don't have anything against Melissa. I'm not like, oh,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: fuck you guys. But what is she mad at? I'm
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: so confused. Why is she mad at you?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: She said to me that she did tell Teresa that
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: they were coming to her shore house to interview her.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: So her account from what she shared with me is
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: that Teresa being blindsided is not true. She may have
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: not known that we got it, but like she knew
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: that I was talking to them and was like, good, go, go,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: good luck. And so the word all gets confusing with
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: me is, is that true? But then it can both
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: things be true at the same time. So then did,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden they signed the contract and everything.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: And at no point did Teresa or, um, or Joe say,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: oh my God, we just did the shore interview. They said,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: I'm on, this is going to be amazing. And apparently
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: the first day that we're going to be shooting as
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: like really being active parts is when you come to my,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: our son's christening. Now, maybe they didn't because maybe the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: producers were like, don't tell because we're hoping for something.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Then I heard that Teresa said on her show that
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: it got back to her through her mother or something
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: that Joe, remember how like it was so weird for
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: a viewer at home to be like, She's like, hey,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: congratulations on your son's christening. And then he just got
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: really angry. And she's like, Jesus. And he's freaking out.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: And he's like, that's my father. And I'm like, why
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: is he so mad that his father was a good
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: father-in-law to Joe Giudice? As a viewer, it was very weird.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: So now Teresa says that... got back to her that
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: apparently he planned on having that kind of outburst because
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: her outburst of flipping the table made her the most
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: iconic housewife ever. And that has just come back to her.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: That's just come to her now. And so, but the
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: other side of it where I was saying to Melissa was,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: I was like, Melissa, like, what does it really, I
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: don't get why, I get why maybe this is why
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: throughout the years they can come together, they can hate
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: each other, they can come together, they can have a
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: couple laughs, they can support each other with their kids, whatever.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: But why it always comes down to this thing, but
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: I'm also like, I get it, like, Teresa was on first, okay?
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, Melissa and Joe have been
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: a huge part of the show for, like, whatever, Teresa's
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: been on for 15, they've been on for 13. Like,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: at this point, it's like, Come on. They're talented and
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: very fun to watch as well.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: I've said that too.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 9: And again, for the Melissa Gorga stans, you know, I
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 9: don't have an issue with Melissa. However, I am friends
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 9: in real life with Teresa Giudice.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: We're friends.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 9: I can only tell you the truth as it is
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 9: to me. And in Teresa's defense, honestly, her story has
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 9: never changed.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: It just hasn't. I don't know Melissa like that. I
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: like to focus on the facts.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 9: Melissa's story has changed a couple of times in terms of, no,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 9: she did know. And then I say, no, she found
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 9: out you guys were on the show based on, you know,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 9: her being asked to come to this event.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Well, we told her we were auditioning. You see what
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: I'm saying?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: It gets confusing.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: But you know what I can kind of compare it to?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: Is, I just thought of this. I kind of think
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: it's like where.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, you have a really good friend. You absolutely adore
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: this really good friend, okay? And you now are friends
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: with some kind of exciting people that this friend would
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: die to be invited to. But you're like, I just
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: kind of like having these friends to myself. Yeah. And
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: I kind of like seeing you as my sister-in-law and
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: having sprinkle cookies with you over here, okay? And then
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: it's like, Oh, then the friend goes, oh, I ran
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: into the exciting friends at this restaurant and we had
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: such a good time. We said we both love you. Anyway,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: we exchanged numbers. And anyway, I know you're out of
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: town next weekend, but the four of us are all
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: getting together. And you're like, wait a minute. Wait a minute.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: I don't really know if I want these two worlds
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: to all collide. I kind of like keeping these fabulous
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: friends to myself.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: Put that now on a reality show. That's a job.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: It's up.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: And I do think she was like, not necessarily like I,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: I never, I just don't think it ever entered Teresa's
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: mind that they might be chosen, but she definitely didn't
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: want it. She didn't suggest it. She didn't because of
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: all those reasons. I want to be the star and
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: I want to have this be part of my life.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: And I want to be able to see you when
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: I visit my parents and our kids play together and, Like,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: I think it was more that. I don't think it
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: was like, I'm so jealous of Melissa, I don't want
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: her to also have the fun that I have.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: It was more just like, I really don't know that
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: I want these worlds to collide. And once they got cast,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: she knew, now the landscape of what I thought my
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: future would be as a television star and a sister-in-law...
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: It will never be the same. And it's, you know.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: And it hasn't been.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: So, no.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 9: So, on my podcast, Reality with the King, Teresa was
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 9: a guest a few weeks ago.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: She said, similar to what you're saying.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: That based on, and let's think about this.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 9: Teresa was on the show season one, along with Dina
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 9: Manzo and Caroline Manzo.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: And Jacqueline Loretta.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Two sisters who married a set of brothers. Right. And
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: their sister-in-law. Right. Right?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 9: She saw firsthand the drama of what this family was
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 9: going through. And what Teresa has seen, obviously, she was like,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 9: I will never want to go through that.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Teresa was never jealous of Melissa joining the show.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Teresa, to your point, was like, this is my thing.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 9: And I don't want to bring my brother, who I
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 9: do have this very sensitive relationship with, on this show.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 9: Because I've seen for two years what this show has
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 9: done to families. And to Teresa's credit, Teresa was extremely
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 9: close to her parents. And her parents worshipped the ground
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 9: Teresa walked on. And she did not want to display
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 9: that to hurt her parents. So whether or not Melissa
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: gave her the heads up, listen, I'm going to be
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 9: honest with you.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Me and Teresa are so close. Teresa would have called
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: me to say, guess what?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 9: Melissa interviewed for the show. Teresa never called me with that.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 9: When Teresa called me on a sunny afternoon on a Sunday,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 9: you know, East Coast time, she was extremely hurt. Based
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 9: on me knowing this woman, I find it hard to
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 9: believe that she had a heads up. Her reaction was,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 9: can you fucking believe Melissa is going to be on
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 9: the show with my brother? And I'm scared of what
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: to do. Teresa was close to quitting the Real Housewives
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 9: of New Jersey that day. I talked her into continuing
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 9: on with the show. She was really like, I would rather...
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 9: Keep the peace. They continue on with this show. And
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 9: I said, look, bitch, you are the show. Like, there's
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 9: no show without you. That's why she kept doing the show.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Because I convinced her to do it.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 9: She was ready to quit. So for people to say, like, oh,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 9: it's because she's jealous.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Teresa, when she spoke to Joe Gorga.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 9: Teresa revealed on my podcast that her mother, may she
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 9: rest in peace, told her, your brother planned that because
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 9: he wanted a moment like your table flip moment.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: And he knew what to do with it. Which is
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: why the producers told Teresa, go talk to your brother.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: So when you watch that scene, Joe is conveniently sitting
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: at a fucking round table by himself.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 9: And Teresa's walking with a little Gia like, well, great party.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: The fuck you doing over here? You're garbage. And she's like, wait, what?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it came out of nowhere as a viewer.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: And there you have it.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: There you have it.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: So listen, Melissa, I know you're listening.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: This isn't shade to you.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 9: This is what I would like for Melissa to do.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 9: Because I agree with you. I think if she says, look.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 9: New Jersey, especially Franklin Links, is a small town.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Did I want to get on TV? Fuck yeah.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 9: I saw what it did to Teresa's career. I want
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 9: some of that action. I think we all can say, well,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 9: at least she's honest about it. At least she's honest
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 9: about it. And to your point, and I've said this,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 9: as much as I love Teresa and that's my girl,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 9: Melissa and.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Joe Gorga are good for the show. They're good for
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: the show. They're great television.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: So at this point, it's been 13 years. It's fine.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: You made it.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: And you know what's interesting is I was reading her
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: latest book. Whose? Teresa's. I just had it and I
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: just started to read some of it. And she said
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: how she wanted to take dance lessons and all this stuff,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: but her mom was an immigrant and she didn't drive.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: She didn't know how to get her. And I thought
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: that was interesting because Melissa, too, you know, was into
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: dance and music. So it's like, there's a, and that's
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: what I find so interesting about the housewives is many
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: of them as little girls dreamed of being famous and stuff,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: but none of them did the work. They got married,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: they had kids and they had, and then all of
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: a sudden, wait, there's a job for someone that's done
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: nothing but been a rich, pretty mom. Would you like
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: to be on TV? And it's like, fuck yeah. Yeah.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: And like, and so that's what it is. But I,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: do you, do you think there's more of a chance of,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: Teresa and Joe and Melissa mending their sibling relationship or
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: Harry and William.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: It's more plausible for Harry, William, Megan, and Kate to
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: have a double date at P.F. Chang's.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: Don't say that.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 9: In Sacramento, California, than it is for Teresa, Joe Gorga,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 9: and Melissa Gorga to ever have a relationship.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: I think the door is closed forever and ever. Teresa's done.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: I think Teresa.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 9: Listen, Teresa did not reveal too much about what's to
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 9: come this upcoming season.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Listen, and this is the thing.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 9: I know Teresa. When she tells me something, she means it.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 9: Teresa is done.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: Well, the day that she met was one of my
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: favorite moments in Housewife history. She meets with Rosie. And
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: what's the other one? Kathy?
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Kathy McKeeley.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Rosie.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 10: And.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: The day that they realized that their gravy train was done.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: Because she was like, I'm done. You said shit about
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: my parents. You were totally awful and not supportive of
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: me at the hardest time of my life. The only
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: reason you're on this show is because you're my cousins.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: And if I'm not going to fuck with you, there's
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: no scenes.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Bye.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: And it was, no one thinks you're so hilarious now, Rosie.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: Where are you?
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Where is Rosie? Live after Broadway.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: By the way, speaking of shows about life after Bravo
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: and things like that, have you seen any of the
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: Special Forces show on Fox? I literally had nightmares about
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: it last night. My friend Dr. Drew is on it.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: He leaves the first episode.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, really?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: So he left or got kicked off?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: No, he got so sick.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: He got totally dehydrated. They're like in Jordan. Like, it's crazy.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: But the people and stuff that they chose... But it
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: also sounds like, hands down, for me, you would have to.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't even.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: Know if I would do it for $ 10 million. It
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: is so physically awful and hard. And, like, it's basically, like,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: to be a Navy SEAL, it is so... I don't know.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: But it's a weird, it's kind of a weird show.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: And it's a mixed match of really weird people. It's
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: like Kate Gosselin, she leaves the first day. And then
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: there's like Jamie Lynn Spears and Hannah Brown from The Bachelor.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: Some like tall, good looking black guy who's like, yeah,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know sports people.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: The NBA player?
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: And there's this 41 year old woman who was on
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: 7th Heaven.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: Her last credit was 7th Heaven?
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: And all I could think about was how many people
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: down the list of, like, reality sports, like, of the pool.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, then that other guy that was, like, the White
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: House correspondent.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: Scaramucci is on it?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: He worked for Trump for 11 days. He was already
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: on Dancing with Stars. He's on it.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: And what's the premise? What are you getting in the end?
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know what they... I hope they get a
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: big chunk of money in the end because I don't
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: know why everyone wouldn't quit after three hours. I literally
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: had nightmares about it that I was there. And they, like...
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: And Kenya Moore's on it. So far, she's, you know,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: making it work.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: She's good. She's like, you know.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah. She jumped out of the helicopter backwards and, like,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: passed the thing.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: Then you're supposed to do this, like, the worst kind
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: of zip-lining situation. I don't know. I literally was like... I...
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: And then it's just, like, these hot guys that just, like,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: are talking about who they think is the bigger loser.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: It's just... I was just, like... It's, like.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: So, do we think Rosie and Kathy are going to
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: sign up for a season two?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: No, but I'm saying, like, maybe. Because I don't know
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: who else is going to go to the Middle East
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: in 100-degree weather and, like, jump out of helicopters and, like...
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, the physical stuff is so hard. I don't know. But... Yeah,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. Okay, well, that's all good. Of course,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: we're excited to watch this show. I can't wait. I
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: guess Jackie got a little bit demoted. Who cares?
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: She's fine.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I like Jackie, but I heard that the
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: two new girls are bringing it.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: I was told this season is by far one of
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: the best.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I love all the girls.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: I love Jersey so much.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, I like Jennifer. I like Margaret. Dolores. God,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: talk about a great plastic surgery glow up.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: Gorgeous.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: Gorgeous. Teresa, of course. I love Melissa.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: Jackie. Her husband's hot. I love them all.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: It's all good.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: It's a great cast. It's great.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: Speaking of black eyes.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: Yes. So Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, what is
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: your thought as a producer of the visceral anger that
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: the fans have felt over the milking out of Heather
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: Gay's black eye? Who is to blame? Who should you
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: get angry with?
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 9: I think Heather herself. The thing is this. You cannot
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 9: be on this show. Because what was interesting about Salt
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 9: Lake City... In my opinion, once Jen Shaw was accused
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 9: and then found later to be guilty of committing those crimes,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 9: they tried to position Heather as the face of the franchise.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 9: To me, when you are the face of the franchise,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 9: Teresa Giudice, Kyle Richards, you have to give the audience everything.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 9: And based on what Heather has presented with her black eye,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 9: that we kind of saw an episode before, It was
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 9: a little purple. So for me, look, I think she's
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 9: being overly dramatic about it because she needs a storyline. Heather,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 9: this season is boring. I stopped watching the show after
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 9: episode five because I couldn't take any more of it.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: But what about the choir? Don't you want to know
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: what's going to happen with the choir?
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I don't care about this show anymore. And
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you why.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 9: What was interesting about Salt Lake City, besides the snow,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 9: was this idea of Jen Shaw and how Shawmazing she was.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 9: You made us want to know more about this crazy character.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 9: You lost her. Then you lost Mary Cosby, who was
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 9: so interesting and different.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, but they're both... have suspicious lives.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, but that's the good thing. Because think about it.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 9: When you think about Salt Lake City, you only think
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 9: about the Sundance Film Festival.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: So to know you have these two women.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 9: Of color who are colorful, you're sort of like, there's
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 9: something interesting about that that I haven't seen before within
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 9: this landscape of Salt Lake City.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: I really think that the milking out of the black
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: guy is what is going to be the demise if
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: this doesn't come back.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, you think they're over with?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: Are you into this season?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: I watch it, but I do get bored, and I
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: sometimes have to watch it in a couple stages. And
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: I like Whitney. I'm scheduled to interview Whitney. I do
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: want to know more about Whitney's life. I feel like
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know about her life, and I'm curious to
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: know about it. I like Heather. I've gone out and
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: had fun with Heather. What I think would happen with
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: Heather and her black eye is I think... She got
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: really drunk that night when she was smashing naked tits
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: with Jen Shaw and everything. And I think she, like,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: slipped or fell or hit her eye or whatever. And
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: the next morning when she woke up, I think she
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: and the producers concocted this thing to have a storyline. Also,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: I think they were worried about possibly her getting so
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: drunk while on set and hurting herself. And then I
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: think she was like, okay, and then you could reveal
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: the story in your book. That's what I've heard.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: I heard she reveals the story in the book.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard she reveals it in the book. Of
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: what happened.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: And you expect us to buy that book. To go to...
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: Not you meaning Heather.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: It's only going to take one Bravo person to read
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: the book and tell us.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: I'd rather have that.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: Yes, please.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: I'll go to like Queens of Bravo to understand what happened.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: I'll go to the Barnes and Noble and read it
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: and then not buy it.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Like I do all my books.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: No, so the thing about it is this. I actually
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: agree with you. I think... I don't think Genshon punched
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: her in the eye.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 9: I'm going to tell you the death of Heather. When
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 9: she was in her confessionals with her Britney Spears weave.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: And the bleach blonde.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 9: And she's like, I'm trying to protect myself. Like, what
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 9: do you mean protect? I'm protecting myself. It was like,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 9: what is happening here? Like, guess who? Like, it was
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 9: so dark and so weird. that me and Meghan McCain
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 9: were texting and was like, this shit is awful.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: It's bad.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 9: Salt Lake City needs to go wherever Lisa Rinna's at
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 9: because I'm over this franchise. It started off to be
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 9: very interesting, but I think they jumped the shark.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: Well, also, I don't know that we're going to know
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: what really happened to Whitney's childhood. So there's all these storylines.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: We'll learn on Dancing with the Stars.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: We'll learn when she goes on Dancing with the Stars?
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: Life after Bravo. Oh, okay.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: Um, but so she'll get dancing with the stars, Whitney.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: She's gorgeous. Good body. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: But like with Heather, I think that, um, I think
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: the best thing Heather did was, was have that beauty lab.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: I think the beauty lab is a great idea. And
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: I think she will be a good business woman in
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: Salt Lake city after. I do think she did enjoy
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: the limelight a little bit too much. And I think
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: got a little full of herself.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: And with this, like I'm trying to protect myself. I,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: also saw this. I didn't even think about it. What
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: also I think really pissed off people is there are
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: people that are victims of domestic violence. And then someone
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: even said, like, is she stealing your thing? Because when
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: I fainted on stage in Tempe... When I fell back
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: and cracked the back of my head, my skull, that's
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: what caused the black eyes. And I let everyone know
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: what that was, but I didn't milk it out for
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: publicity or anything. I'm like, hey, I got every test.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. I've never fainted since.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: This is why I have the black eye. It's not
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: because I said Jesus loves me the most. A lot
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: of people think Jesus flicked me. I'm like, so they
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: let all these people die of COVID. But when he
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: heard me like make a light joke that isn't very funny,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: he was like, screw that bitch. So I don't believe that.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: But like, I think. You know, there are victims of
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: domestic violence and stuff. And to, like, hint at it, like,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: or that someone could have broken into your home when there's, like,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: the fucking Idaho murders on our mind. Like, because you
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: were in that little guest house, did somebody come in
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: the way they showed the door and we don't see
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: the door and we see the door clicking? And, like,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: all of this, like, I just think people were like, stop. Like,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: this is not what we signed up for 10 years
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: ago when we became fans. Right.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think, listen, I said this on my
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 9: show too, that I don't know what's going to happen with.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: The future of these housewives.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 9: To me, it's becoming to the point where instead of
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 9: being in the moment, they're trying to become the moment.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 9: Like, we liked it because these women weren't conscious of
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 9: the cameras.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Like, or they were self-deprecating.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 9: Ramona Singer, Turtle Time, it wasn't something she, like, jotted
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 9: in her journal.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have this moment. You know, we're living
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: now in a time.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 9: Where these housewives have studied the genre, and they're trying
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 9: to one-up each other.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: And I think Salt Lake City is on its last legs.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: I don't see a reason for it to come back.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: It's not that interesting at all.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 9: And what Heather is doing kind of goes along the
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 9: lines of, you women are so desperate to have a
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 9: moment that is going to be the death of your show.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: I know, and that's the thing, is because, yeah, 10
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: years ago, whatever, when Luann was being like, be cool,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: don't be all uncool.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: She wasn't saying that thinking that it was going to
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: be on coffee cups one day.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: She wasn't.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: Or even Potomac, when Robin goes, I am so glad
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: Juan Dixon isn't here.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: It's such a weird thing that we all find funny.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: And like why he's bringing it up. But like that
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: wasn't her conscious decision. And like, yeah, I agree. And
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: when you feel like someone is trying to be like,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: what is the iconic thing or what is it? And
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: in her defense, Heather's defense, if we ever do find
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: out the truth again, I think she might have just
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: was trying to make it juicy for the show or
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: even in cahoots with one of the producers. And it
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: just didn't work. It just didn't work.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think to your point, it's because they
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 9: knew they did not have much material this season.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: It was only about Jen Sean. And, like, really, I
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: think this Wednesday is when we finally, you know, get
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: to see that she pleads. But, like, leading up to this,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, is she going to go to trial?
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: Is she not?
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about, so what do you think about
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: the six and a half years and what happens to her?
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: So, look.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 9: I was surprised that she only got six and a
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 9: half years. I did expect more, and I think a
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 9: lot of that had to do with.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: I guessed eight and a half.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the experts. Yeah. Listen, I... Listen, Jen Shaw was
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: great television. You know what I mean?
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: It does beg the question of.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 9: If you have this checkered past, why sign up to
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 9: do a show where you know what happened to my
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 9: friend Teresa?
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 9: Where people who are watching it, they work in all
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 9: sorts of professions and they're going to dig and dig.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: Well, I think I think from everything I've studied is
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: this started out as a scam. It was never a
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: legit business. It started out as a scam and she
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: did it for 10 years. So when the show came
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: in at year seven, she'd gotten away with it for
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: so long and she was like, Yeah, let's be shamazing.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: Let's show off my life. And just the ultimate narcissist
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: that thinks that she's never going to get caught. And
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: that's it.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 9: And what's crazy about it is, did you read that
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 9: she told the judge, I still am a star of
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 9: the show?
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: Kind of alluding.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 9: So she said, I'm still a current cast member of
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 9: Salt Lake City Housewives. And people said if she got
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 9: sentenced to six and a half years, she may do five, right?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 9: You do 80%. of your time. So in five years,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 9: that would make season eight of Salt Lake City. Do
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 9: you think there's a world to where she's going to
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 9: come back to the show? I don't think the show
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 9: will be on in five years.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: No, absolutely not.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 9: So I think, unfortunately, listen, I'm happy that the victims
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 9: got justice because to pimp out the elderly is fucked up.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: And also, it hopefully will stop other people because a
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: lot of people do this. And hopefully this harsh sentence,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: if you're involved, if you're doing this on the side
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: with your friend or whatever, hopefully you'll quit this year
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: and not get caught and not to be taken away
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: from your family in due time because she's going to
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: do some hard time for it. What do you think
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: about the fact that she... What do you think about
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: that restraining order thing?
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: Ooh, what's that?
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, so the restraining order thing is.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: The prosecution or no, this woman got a restraining order
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: against her because she claimed that Jen Shaw was having
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: an affair with her husband. And when she called her
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: out on it, Jen Shaw came to her house. And
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: because of that, she filed a restraining order. And she
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: wanted the prosecutor to be aware of it to help
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: get her more time.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: And you know all the rumors about the affair stuff.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: Do you remember? I don't know if you watched it,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: but they were like, I dropped her off.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: And then she got out of the Uber.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: And she went to someone's house. I remember that.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: And then there was the rumor of when... Meredith and
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: her husband were separated and they were screwing the same
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: guy in New York.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: And they were jealous. It's all alleged rumors. And someone
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: told me who the guy was. And he was this
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: guy from New York, from Real Housewives of New York,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: that was like in some of the episodes who was
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: like friendly with Ramona.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: Not hairy though.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: No, he was this dark haired guy that was like
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: kind of big. And I don't want to say who
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: it is because I don't know, but this is all
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: the rumors and I don't know that any of it's true.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: That Jen and Meredith were both allegedly sleeping with. Yes.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: And so they were like... And then I don't know
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: if that has anything to do with this woman that
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: got the restraining order doesn't seem like her dude was
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: that guy in New York because he was definitely not married.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if they have an open relationship.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know what their deal is. I don't know
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: if what, I mean, he seems to support her now,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: but at the same time, I mean, he obviously, to
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: never ask about your wife's business when you're an educated man,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: you're an attorney. And then when she has depositions coming up,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: you're there to guide her. I'm not saying he had
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: his hands in it, but it makes me think when
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: he knew she was doing this and he was reaping
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: the benefits from all the money, maybe that was the
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: time for him to be like, you know what? I
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: don't need to be an attorney anymore. I don't really
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: love it. And this shit is going on. Let me
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: do what I really love and teach football, coach football.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: There's a lot to unpack there.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 9: Because what was also revealed while she was getting sentenced,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 9: did you hear about this? That there's audio of Jen
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 9: talking to, I think, was it the guy?
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 10: Stu.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: Stu.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 9: And she says something along the lines, allegedly, that, oh,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 9: don't worry, coach will get us out of this. Or
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 9: something like that.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: That's not a legend because those are texts that they
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: actually got from the phone.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So there you go. She didn't say Coach Willow.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: She said, Coach, I have a spreadsheet of how to
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: answer all these questions, and Coach is going to help
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: me do it.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: It begs the question if he knew. Now, look. I
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: want to talk about Erika Jayne and Tom Girardi.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, I don't think Erika knew anything. My opinion.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: I think she enjoyed the luxury of the private plane,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: the private glam squad, and the private food. I think
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: she enjoyed all of those perks. I don't think she
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: knew what the fuck he was doing.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: Well, he was also doing it for like 30 years.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: So when she stepped into the marriage, this is what
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: it was. She was a waitress.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: He she was the third wife, the arm candy. She
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: spend whatever you want. Why? I don't know that she
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: would really know that he was stealing from Paul to
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: pay Peter or whatever the thing is. And like, you know,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: and then that all and then for the people that
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: the money that went paying for her lifestyle and for
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: her money, I know people that did her hair and
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: makeup and stuff, and she paid very well because she could.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: And they would, oh, and you'll get your check from
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: whatever Donna at Girardi and Keys. So when you see
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: the list of where the $ 25 million went, I mean,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: that's just like... photographers and makeup people and all, and
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: they got paid from there.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: And so she was, so he was, so how am
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: I going to pay these people? That's fine. Just put
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: all the bills through Donna or whatever her name is.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: And so like, look, you know, I think she didn't
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: handle the whole thing.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: I think she's finally realizing that her persona is, but
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think anything's going to happen to her.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: As far as like, but, but she has nothing. She's
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: lost everything. She doesn't, to be married for 22 years
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: and be 50 years old and to be one time
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: living in a, $ 10 million house, and now you have
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: a little dollhouse. I mean, it's still, but it's a rental.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: It has a pool.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: But she makes $ 650 a year or whatever, and hopefully
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: she's not blowing it all on Glam Squad and flying
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: them out. And hopefully she learns how to do her
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: own makeup and cut some corners and starts to really, like,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: build up a life again for herself.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 9: But that's the reason why I brought it up, because
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 9: when it comes to Coach and Jen Shaw, what's different,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 9: like you outlined.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 9: They were already married when she allegedly started to do
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 9: what she was doing, right?
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: Like, they were already married.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 9: So, as someone's husband, I think you kind of know
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 9: what your wife is up to. And that's the reason
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 9: why it's a little dicey there.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: No, Coach knew.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: You think, oh, you think, yeah.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: But it could have also been a little bit, if
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: you believe Erica, you know, a little bit like, I
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: don't need the details. That's your business.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just crazy. But look. Without Jen Shaw, the
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: show is going down the drain.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: Well, now, the last thing I want to discuss is
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: you have a new juicy-ass show. Grown Gospel on We.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: Coming this March. I just saw this on your stories.
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  Speaker 3: And this is, to me, it looks like a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of rich-ass preachers. These are the private jet preachers. How
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  Speaker 3: did this come about? Tell me about this.
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  Speaker 9: So the show is based in Detroit, Michigan, which is
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  Speaker 9: my hometown. And these are the offsprings of some legends
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  Speaker 9: in the gospel community.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know that. That's juicy.
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  Speaker 9: It's the offspring of these gospel royalty in Detroit, Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: They're the Nepo preachers.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. So the New York Times, we need a feature
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  Speaker 2: about this.
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  Speaker 9: So we have the gospel version of Kate Hudson, Gwyneth Paltrow.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: That is juicy. And it's really about their lives as adults.
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  Speaker 9: It's a group of friends who have known each other
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  Speaker 9: for over 20 years. And you get a chance to
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  Speaker 9: see what happens when you are immersed in this lifestyle
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  Speaker 9: of gospel community.
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  Speaker 2: The church.
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  Speaker 3: And how.
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  Speaker 2: You kind of want to be like everyone else. We
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  Speaker 2: are talking about addiction to drugs. We're talking about alcoholism.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about someone being a stripper. It's really deep.
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  Speaker 2: It's really detailed.
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  Speaker 9: It's not, you know, poking fun at the church. But
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  Speaker 9: what it's doing is really showing you that you could
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  Speaker 9: be a part of this world and have a very
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  Speaker 9: different lifestyle than your parents.
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  Speaker 2: And they are so interesting.
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  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: It's good, Heather.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't get that from the trailer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was a little 20-second teaser.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, good.
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  Speaker 9: So more assets will come out, but that's in a
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  Speaker 9: nutshell the show, and it premieres in March of this
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 9: year on WE tv.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's going to be a really good, different show.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about some really heavy stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Carlos, tell everybody where they can follow you, listen
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  Speaker 3: to you, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, so on my social media pages is at thecarlosking
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  Speaker 9: _ _. My podcast is called Reality with the King,
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  Speaker 9: where we have two episodes a week where I interview
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 9: my celebrity.
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  Speaker 2: Friends in reality television, pop culture, and talk shit. And
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  Speaker 2: you can catch my shows, Love and Marriage Huntsville and
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  Speaker 2: DC on the Oprah Winfrey Network. Great.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, well, you guys. Carlos and I couldn't stop talking,
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  Speaker 3: and we got into even more subjects and even deeper
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  Speaker 3: dives and even some stuff that's a little too juicy
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  Speaker 3: for the regular show. So where is it landing? On Patreon.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be up on Friday on my Patreon. You go
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: to patreon.com slash Juicy Scoop, and it's right there at heathermcdoll.net,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: however you want to get it if you haven't already
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: signed up. Plus, I will talk about my thoughts about
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: the week and what's going on in the world. It's
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: the juiciest stuff, and it's all on my Patreon. So
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