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Gordon Chang | Author & Geopolitics Expert Breaks Down Chinese Interference in U.S. Elections · Sid & Friends In The Morning

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  Speaker 1: China gathering information on over two hundred million Americans, and
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  Speaker 1: now he believes that affected that election because according to
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  Speaker 1: my friend Trump, who I saw Saturday, he was so
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  Speaker 1: cute and so nice.
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  Speaker 2: He's three and zero.
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  Speaker 1: Here is the best when it comes to any of
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  Speaker 1: these China conversations. Gordon Chang Gordon g. Chang on Twitter, Gordon, Good,
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  Speaker 1: Monday morning, Buddy, how are you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm fine, Siddan, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: It's great to have you.
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  Speaker 1: So you saw Trump on Thursday night, he intimated that
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  Speaker 1: China cheated. Let's start with this. He said that he
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  Speaker 1: has learned now and the CIA knew this and others
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  Speaker 1: but kept it a secret that China was able to
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  Speaker 1: amass about two hundred and twenty million Americans identities and
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  Speaker 1: personal information.
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  Speaker 2: Do you believe that is actually true?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I doo. We know that China's attempt to hoover
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  Speaker 3: up information in this country is the most comprehensive in history.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not just voter data. We see them for
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  Speaker 3: instance in the Office of Public publican management of the
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  Speaker 3: federal government, where they got a lot of compromising material.
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  Speaker 3: They've also gone after the insurance company files. That's really
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  Speaker 3: important because they find out which Americans are sick, and
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  Speaker 3: that means which Americans are vulnerable. They take all of
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  Speaker 3: this data from all these sources, they collate it, they
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  Speaker 3: analyze it, and they figure out what they can do
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  Speaker 3: to Americans. Blackmail them, coerce them, get them to turn
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  Speaker 3: against our country. So yeah, this is extremely serious, and
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  Speaker 3: that's in addition to what they can do with our
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  Speaker 3: election infrastructure.
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  Speaker 1: What is curious to me, though, is that I believe
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  Speaker 1: Trump too, and I believe you. Is what I think
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  Speaker 1: the President didn't do on Thursday was prove to the
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  Speaker 1: American audience that even though the Chinese have gotten this information,
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  Speaker 1: I believe that's true, how in fact that affected one vote?
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  Speaker 1: In other words, he didn't say, well, they got this
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  Speaker 1: information and they were able to convince or they were
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  Speaker 1: able to fix the machine to make sure that Republican
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  Speaker 1: votes want the Democrat way. I don't if you follow
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But he told us all this information
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  Speaker 1: but didn't really tell us how it directly affected the election.
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  Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 3: That's correct. He did not say that it changed the
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  Speaker 3: outcome of the election. But what President Trump didn't mention
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  Speaker 3: is what the Chinese did to change the election. So,
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  Speaker 3: for instance, we know that they funneled money to the
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  Speaker 3: Democratic Party through ACTBLU from foreign sources, which is illegal.
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  Speaker 3: We know that they used their social media bots to
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  Speaker 3: disrupt the President's campaign. The New York Times reported that
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  Speaker 3: in March of twenty twenty, the Chinese used text messages
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  Speaker 3: to spread false rumors about President Trump about to invote
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  Speaker 3: the Stafford Act. It basically over the country. He didn't,
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  Speaker 3: President Trump didn't say that the Chinese were fomenting violence
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  Speaker 3: on American streets, both openly and surreptitiously. When an American
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  Speaker 3: foments violence to overthrow the government, that's a federal crime.
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  Speaker 3: But when China foments violence on American streets, that's an
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  Speaker 3: act of war. And by the way, sid China did
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  Speaker 3: something which changed the election result for sure, and that
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  Speaker 3: was it spread COVID beyond its borders. At the beginning
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  Speaker 3: of twenty twenty, everybody was saying that President Trump was
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  Speaker 3: cruising to re election. But what COVID did was it
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  Speaker 3: disrupted American society, and I believe that it affected the outcome.
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  Speaker 3: It changed the outcome of the election.
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  Speaker 2: So do you.
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  Speaker 1: Think that the COVID, the Chinese did this in the
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  Speaker 1: Luhan lab We know that.
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  Speaker 2: And Anthony Poutry should be in prison. We all know that.
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  Speaker 1: So do you think that they did this to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that Trump didn't win? Was it more about telling Americans?
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  Speaker 1: Was it both? What do you think it was?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I didn't know that they spread COVID beyond their
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  Speaker 3: borders deliberately. I don't think that they did it to
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  Speaker 3: change the election result. But it did change the election result. Ye,
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  Speaker 3: And it did weaken America. And their purpose was to
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  Speaker 3: weaken America. And we know that they spread COVID beyond
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  Speaker 3: their borders because they did two things. They lied about
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  Speaker 3: transmissibility in December twenty nineteen and January twenty twenty, at
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  Speaker 3: a critical moment when the disease was spreading, and while
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  Speaker 3: they were locking down their own country, they were pressuring
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  Speaker 3: us to keep our borders open to Chinese arrivals without restrictions.
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  Speaker 3: You put those two things together, and the conclusion is
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  Speaker 3: inescapable that they took decisions to deliberately spread this disease
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  Speaker 3: beyond their borders. That's not to say that they that
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  Speaker 3: they know COVID, for instance, got out into the Chinese public.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know how that happened. But we do know
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  Speaker 3: what happened once it was in Central China, and they
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  Speaker 3: did spread it beyond their reporters. One point two million
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  Speaker 3: Americans died from COVID. That's one point two million murders
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  Speaker 3: of Americans.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, and you are pretty convinced based upon the
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  Speaker 1: data they've been collecting since and some of this, I
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  Speaker 1: guess the strain that would affect everybody but their.
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  Speaker 2: Own people, which is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: You're pretty convinced that they're at it again, right, coming
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  Speaker 1: up with something, another type of disease or outbreak that
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  Speaker 1: can once again affect the world.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, because we know the Chinese technicians and scientists
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  Speaker 3: publicly talk about what they call specific ethnic genetic attacks,
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  Speaker 3: in other words, attacks that are directed against one specific
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  Speaker 3: ethnic group. It's something that can be done. It's just
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  Speaker 3: biology has has advanced to the point where they can
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  Speaker 3: develop a disease that hits just one person. So yes,
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  Speaker 3: they can target a specific group. I believe that not
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  Speaker 3: only do they talk about it, but they actually are
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  Speaker 3: working on it, and that means we've got to be
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  Speaker 3: extremely concerned. Remember, we found those two Chinese biological weapons
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  Speaker 3: facilities on American soil, the first one in Ridley, California,
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  Speaker 3: the second one in Las Vegas, Nevada. And it's very
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  Speaker 3: clear from what we know in the public that there's
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  Speaker 3: at least a third biological weapons facility that has yet
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  Speaker 3: to be discovered.
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  Speaker 1: Gordon Chang Follow Gordon on Twitter Gordon g.
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  Speaker 2: Chang.
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  Speaker 1: Some people say to me, you know, your friend the President,
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  Speaker 1: he was in China, what about two months ago, when
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  Speaker 1: he's sitting there and they're having dinner and they're lamping
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  Speaker 1: him in g and they're getting along just great, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, they both saying nice things about each other
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  Speaker 1: each other's countries. They're like, if Trump knew about this
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  Speaker 1: what he told the nation last Thursday when he was
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  Speaker 1: in China, like two months ago, why didn't he go
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  Speaker 1: to g when he was there and say, a tough guy,
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  Speaker 1: just see, you know, we know what you did.
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  Speaker 2: Why didn't you do that?
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  Speaker 3: He very well may have done it. There are a
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  Speaker 3: lot of conversations that took place in May and Beijing
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  Speaker 3: that we just don't know about. And I'm sure that
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  Speaker 3: President Trump raised not only the issue of election interference,
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  Speaker 3: but others as well. Now we've got season paying scheduled
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  Speaker 3: to come to our country sometime in September. I hope
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  Speaker 3: that that does not occur. I don't think that we
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  Speaker 3: should be hosting the Chinese leader in these circumstances. But
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  Speaker 3: we'll see if that summit takes place.
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  Speaker 1: Well, China's come out and said what Trump said last
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  Speaker 1: week is not true. And according to the Chinese today
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  Speaker 1: or yesterday, Gee is still still going to come. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you're President Trump and you just made this really
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  Speaker 1: good argument that they affected the elections that day, you know,
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  Speaker 1: are stealing American information. You're talking about COVID, which ruined
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  Speaker 1: his opportunity in twenty twenty. Maybe maybe all these things
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  Speaker 1: that are going on above and beyond the fact they're
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  Speaker 1: helping Iran, then I think it would make a lot
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  Speaker 1: of sense for President Trump to say, and I quote,
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  Speaker 1: stay home, do me a favor, stay home.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, do not come, doude.
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  Speaker 2: Don't come.
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  Speaker 1: Don't come, because again, all I keep hearing is that
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  Speaker 1: the American munitions are kind of low, lower than what
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  Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth wants you to believe. But yet Iran they're fine.
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  Speaker 1: Why because both China and Russia are still somehow maybe
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  Speaker 1: the cast b and see I'm not smart enough, but
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  Speaker 1: still somehow getting Iranians weapons, which we see they're bombing
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  Speaker 1: some of the place almost every day. So it seems
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  Speaker 1: like the Chinese and Russia are still knee deep with
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  Speaker 1: Iran in this war.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they certainly are. Two things about China. We know
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  Speaker 3: that those CM three h two supersonic cruise missiles that
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  Speaker 3: the Iranians fired at the Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group
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  Speaker 3: in March, those were Chinese. We also know that China
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  Speaker 3: has been providing targeting data to the Iranians, and it's
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  Speaker 3: like ninety nine that the Iranians used Chinese targeting data
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  Speaker 3: to kill six Americans on March first in Kuwait. So yes,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's to me, that's the lights out thing. The
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  Speaker 3: other thing is that we know the Iranians in the
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  Speaker 3: last couple of days have been firing very high speed
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  Speaker 3: maneuverable warheads. The Iranians did not develop those. They either
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  Speaker 3: got them from the Russians or the Chinese or both.
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  Speaker 3: We need to have the President of the United States
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  Speaker 3: tell us what he knows, because clearly the Iranians are
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  Speaker 3: using some foreign technology, probably Chinese, probably Russian, who knows,
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  Speaker 3: but using foreign technology to kill Americans.
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  Speaker 1: So what would you like to see President Trump do
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  Speaker 1: and what's realistic? Let's have it on his compensation. What
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  Speaker 1: would you like to see President Trump? Do we just
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  Speaker 1: a trust nation on China last week? And maybe that
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  Speaker 1: was a missed opportunity to talk more about does he?
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  Speaker 2: Ron Moore? I don't know. What do you want to
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  Speaker 2: see Trump do?
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  Speaker 3: I want to see him talk to the American people
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  Speaker 3: about the dangers that China's posing. We have all these
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  Speaker 3: Chinese cells in our country. They are operating, some of
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  Speaker 3: them are operating openly. I want to see President Trump
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  Speaker 3: talk to us about the threat that China poses and
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  Speaker 3: the imminence. Cie Jim Pain talks about war all the time,
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  Speaker 3: and he's obviously thinking about the United States because they're
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  Speaker 3: configuring their military to hit ours. So we need to
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  Speaker 3: have that discussion. The Iranians are starting to operate their
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  Speaker 3: cells in our country. It's not very long before the
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  Speaker 3: Chinese and the Russians could operate Theirs as well. So
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  Speaker 3: we're at a point where our country is in mortal risk.
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  Speaker 1: And there's already so many examsmples of small towns in
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  Speaker 1: our country hidden away in nice states like Massachusetts and
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  Speaker 1: other states where the Chinese have already already broken into
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  Speaker 1: their water grids. They're electrical grids. We've seen examples of
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  Speaker 1: this already. So for the Chinese to shut us down
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  Speaker 1: our lights, our power, contaminate the water, those types of things,
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  Speaker 1: that is entirely realistic.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well, the Iranians shut down the water system
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  Speaker 3: of pal Equippa, Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: And also we know that the Chinese have gone after
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  Speaker 3: major infrastructure hospitals in Texas, water systems, electric grids, all
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  Speaker 3: the rest of it. So yes, we need to start
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  Speaker 3: erecting really effective defenses. And by the way, there's something
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  Speaker 3: that the American people don't talk about, and that is,
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  Speaker 3: in the first decade of the century, America's national security professionals,
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  Speaker 3: we're worried about the North Koreans smuggling in the parts
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  Speaker 3: of the nuclear weapon into the United States, reassembling it
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  Speaker 3: in the city of their choice, and then privately threatening
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  Speaker 3: the president. Well, if the North Koreans could have done that,
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  Speaker 3: then the Chinese and Russians, who are far more capable
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  Speaker 3: than the North Koreans, can certainly do it. So we've
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  Speaker 3: got to understand what's at risk here, so.
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  Speaker 1: On the way out, Trump is already resolved a conflicts.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's having difficulty. Obviously he thought it was
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  Speaker 1: gonna be the easiest one, but no one can can
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  Speaker 1: control Putin. So Ukraine Russia is still raging. Now you
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  Speaker 1: got us with the Iran which is raging and about
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  Speaker 1: to get worse. Thank god, Israel is safe for these days.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously the peace agreement with Lebanon's a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: And I know Trump is a great, great president. Then really,
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  Speaker 1: in his heart of hearts wants you to be peace
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  Speaker 1: all over the world. That's why he's been hesitant to
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  Speaker 1: just blow the doors off Iran, even though I said
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  Speaker 1: months ago when I was bored to upset, but I
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  Speaker 1: didn't that that's what he should have done. He should
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  Speaker 1: still do it, I mean, don't hold back. Just you know,
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  Speaker 1: civilians die in war. I'm so sick of it already. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I know my kid is not serving. Come at me
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  Speaker 1: as hard as you want. There's no draft. These kids volunteer.
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  Speaker 1: They know what's at stake. They're real heroes. They're courageous, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: They're out there to serve.
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  Speaker 2: And how do we end World War two?
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  Speaker 1: German civilians died, Japanese civilians died, and we won. And
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  Speaker 1: we can't keep pussy putting around here, Gordon. We got
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  Speaker 1: to just level these bastards because they're still killing Americans now,
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  Speaker 1: eighteen dead. I know Trump knows that, and I know
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  Speaker 1: he wants to do his best not to get people hurt.
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  Speaker 1: But at this point, is it fair to say the
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  Speaker 1: world is a dangerous place or it's gotten better or both.
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  Speaker 3: Well, certainly, yeah, it's gotten more dangerous. You know, Trump
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  Speaker 3: is right, you know, he's given off ramps to both
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  Speaker 3: Putent season Pain and Kim Jong un, and they've rejected
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  Speaker 3: his gesture. And now after the rejection, is up to
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  Speaker 3: the president to actually face the consequences of their failure
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  Speaker 3: to try to come to terms with us. And that
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  Speaker 3: means in the case of Iran, as you say, blowing
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  Speaker 3: the doors off, we also need to We've reimposed the blockade,
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  Speaker 3: that's a good thing. We're starting to hit the railroad
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  Speaker 3: bridges and the land links. That's good. But we need
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  Speaker 3: to declare a no fly zone. We need to completely
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  Speaker 3: starve the Iranian regime. And the other thing is we
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  Speaker 3: need to go after those countries that are supporting Iran,
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  Speaker 3: and that, by the way, is Russia and it's also China.
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  Speaker 3: We've got to basically win this quickly, and the President
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  Speaker 3: the United States has the power to do it, and
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  Speaker 3: I hope he's lost the patience.
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  Speaker 2: I think he has.
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  Speaker 1: And look, the fact is, he could have sat here
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  Speaker 1: and done nothing like Biden did, like Obama did, paid
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  Speaker 1: those people and act like everything was great while these countries,
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  Speaker 1: these enemies were gaining power. And we saw what Iran
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  Speaker 1: was able to do and help out all those prot
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  Speaker 1: season on that awful day in Israel. So thank god
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  Speaker 1: for President Trump. Thank god he did something about it.
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  Speaker 1: He's not going to allow the world to just go
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  Speaker 1: completely south like Biden and Obama did.
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  Speaker 2: But now we're at the point where.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to get a little heavy this yeah, right, Gordon,
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  Speaker 1: as always, you're amazing, love having you on this program.
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  Speaker 2: Ken have you one enough, Gordon Chang, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: I'll bless you.
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  Speaker 1: Pow Gordon Chang right there, Bottle Gordon on Twitter at
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  Speaker 1: Gordon g Chang.
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