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George Carneal: The Need For A Bold Church To Speak Truth On Issues · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Friends and family in Christ, welcome, we are zipping through January, my goodness.
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What is it to early to say Merry Christmas for next year?
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For this year, anyway, that's just a side note.
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Hey, good news on the conference.
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We're going to tell you some updates about halfway through.
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We have a few speakers that we've added to the lineup, but I get to speak to some great
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guests.
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And today is no different.
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I've got my brother in Christ from the south, back with us, George Carneal, the website
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George Carneal.com.
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Make sure if you have not checked out his book from queer to Christ, it's intense, but
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that's his story.
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And there's a lot in there, and we can learn a lot from it today and what he shares because
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like we were talking before we got on the air, too many pastors and churches are not talking
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about some of these issues.
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So brother, George, thank you so much for being on today.
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Good to see you again.
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Good to be back.
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Good to see you, too.
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Yeah, so I'm just going to run down a bunch of articles that we talked about.
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Most of these, just what's going on?
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Get your take on it.
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Let's start with some good news before we get into the, you know what I mean?
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So the Isaiah 520 articles where they're calling good evil and evil good.
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So this was interesting over in the UK.
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Now we know since the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Bible sales took off as did church
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attendance and people, young people in particular, Gen Z, interested in spiritual things.
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Well, over in the UK, and they tend to be ahead of us, but they're way, way more secular
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and anti-Christian than we are here in the United States.
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But they hit a sales record for Bibles last year.
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This is interesting and truth.
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So let me explain, George, and then I'll get your feedback on what you think this might
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mean.
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So, $6.3 million last year, that's the highest annual figure for the UK on record.
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And I'm going to read a quote and then I'll get your take as we face worldwide political
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and social change, including the after effects of the COVID-19 pandemic still, global wars,
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the rise of AI and growing mental health crises, individuals are re-engaging with questions
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of meaning and spirituality.
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Gen X, Gen Z, very interesting.
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I've got more stats to run by, George, but what do you think this means?
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This is the UK, which might be a little surprising if you guys have kept up with the spirituality
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or lack thereof over in the UK.
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Your thoughts?
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I think it's fantastic.
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And you know, David, like me in my own life and so many of us, when you are out there
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in the world, thinking, hey, this is what we're all striving for.
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And you find that it doesn't bring you the peace, the joy, the satisfaction, the fulfillment.
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You have nowhere else to go, but perhaps start looking inward and start researching faith.
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And I hope this will draw more people to Christ.
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And I think with COVID, that really set things in motion.
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I think it really caused a lot of people to take stock in their lives and it gave them
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some alone time at home and made them have to slow down.
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So I think what the globalism meant for evil, I think it's going to turn out to be fantastic
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for the body of Christ.
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So here's another stat.
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And there, again, a couple of these might seem to conflict with each other, but I'm just
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going to go through this, the census over in the UK.
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This is in England, specifically, in 2001, six years ago, there was a drop.
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In people in England that identified as Christians.
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So that was 70% in 2001.
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So in 2021, 20 years later, the census found that less than half, 46% of people from England
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identify as Christians.
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So very interesting that the Bible sales are shooting up in light of this past census
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that in 20 years, people identified as Christians went from 70% down to 46%.
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And now maybe there's a little shift because especially among, like I said, Gen Z, there's
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more now attending church services, especially around young men, that went from 4% up to 21%.
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Now attending church services, very interesting things going on, right?
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Yeah.
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I don't know what's driving the hunger, but as you know, David, if anyone is aware of
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what's really happening in the UK, it is being destroyed, destroyed from within, and
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I'm hoping it's causing people to really take stock of what's really important in life
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and what is happening.
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And we'll draw them to Christ through these difficult times.
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Yeah.
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A little bit more.
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And then we'll move on to the next one.
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Talk about Christian booksellers.
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Now, this is interesting because, and that's a loaded topic, I think, and we could do
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a whole podcast on some Christian bookstores, don't have stuff that's really, you know, Christian,
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but let's just go to this in the UK.
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They're seeing unchurched believers.
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Stop right there.
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So people professing to believe or have some sort of faith, probably not deep, probably
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not Bible studyers and things like that, but people that maybe believe in God, maybe
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even have given their life to Christ and have not gone any further, as far as learning
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the Bible, discipleship, understanding the biblical worldview, but they're saying the
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booksellers in the UK, Christian booksellers, they're seeing unchurched believers come in
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and requesting Bibles now.
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So that's interesting.
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Something's happening.
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We don't know.
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I'm not calling it a revival by any stretch, but here's a quote.
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It's definitely younger people, again, who are driving this.
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They're seeking some sort of spirituality.
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I think you already spoke to that, George.
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The American numbers, now let's end with this.
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This is super interesting, because as of just a few months ago, there was an 11% increase
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in Bible sales.
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Last year in America, now America already had a pretty high Bible sales, right?
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But now there's an increase, 11%.
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So you're talking about at least 11% in America.
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That means that equates to 18 million copies of the Bible were sold last year alone.
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In America, only 18 million.
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George, now that seems, that's good news, right?
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Yeah, you know, David, years ago, I thought that people leaving the church was because
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maybe people were abandoning their faith or no longer believed in God, but I have found
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in the numerous people that I've been talking to, they're leaving the churches because they're
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not being fed.
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The pastors have watered down the word, they're not telling the truth, they are acquiescing
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to whatever the agenda is.
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And I think people are really searching for real meat, the real meat of God's word, and
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they are hungering for a real relationship with Christ.
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I think the pastors are letting the flock down, and I think that's why a lot of people
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have left the church, but are searching out sermons on YouTube and other social media platforms
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and getting into the word and other ways.
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And I know of several people who do their home Bible studies.
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So it's an interesting shift, but the pastors are failing the flock.
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Yes.
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And that's another reason why some people, like you said, maybe people left church, but
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they're not necessarily leaving the faith.
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I mean, some that maybe left, quote, the faith, I question whether they were truly converted,
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truly born again and understood.
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They denied themselves, confessed their sins, they believed in Jesus, I'm not sure.
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Maybe that's for another survey, maybe George Barna, and they can do some of that work.
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But so people are leaving and have left, but another problem in America, as we've seen
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for maybe three decades, maybe more actually, is the churches, too many churches trying
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to be like the world, to attract people.
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And you don't have as much depth and substance then, definitely you don't worry about sound
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doctrine, because you're just trying to entertain, to draw people in, unbelievers, that what
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would you like in a church?
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Okay, well, that's kind of asking, that's a wrong recipe, right?
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Asking the world what they want, maybe trying to get them into your church, but then what?
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What are you going to give them once they get there?
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Your thoughts on that, George?
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Right.
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You know, you can entertain them and they can jump up and down and hoot and holler and
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act like they've got the Holy Spirit.
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But this is how you really know whether or not the Holy Spirit is moving, because if
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you leave that church and you suddenly just crash, then it was just a fleeting feeling
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of a high of jumping around and acting like a crackhead, I don't know.
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But when the Holy Spirit's really moving, I think that you just, that just lasts for days,
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there's just something that just fills your heart and fills your soul and gives you peace
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where you know you were truly fed by the Word of God.
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That's how I feel or how I sense the difference in just entertainment versus the actual movement
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of the Holy Spirit.
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Okay, now this one is going to maybe speak to what you've seen.
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Maybe we're worth doing in the public schools and what the left has been successfully doing
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by accessing young children and let's just call it grooming or discipling.
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We call it discipling in the church, but they're really making disciples, you know, for
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the left for Satan really.
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So this survey, at least 73% of Americans support parents being able to opt out of public
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school curriculum.
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Now that's up 10 points since 2021.
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So more Americans are saying, yeah, with what the craziness and sanity that's happening
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with their teaching young kids, I do agree that parents should have that right.
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Still, it's 73%, you know what I mean?
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It's up.
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So that's good news.
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And I'll just share your thoughts on that before we go on to the next one.
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I definitely want to say, David, parents, if you can get your kids out of the public school
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system and you can go to my website is George carneal.com scroll to the very bottom.
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There's a list of table of contents.
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There's a homeschooling link.
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And if you'll click on that, you'll see a lot of resources reach out to these people.
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They will help guide you in terms of homeschooling, but I used to have this information a lot
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more on my website.
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I think it overwhelmed people.
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But then the tactics that they are using to groom the children, what we know is nothing
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compared to what we don't know.
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And these liberals are never going to stop grooming these children, even though Trump
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may have tried to crack down on this, never let your guard down with these people because
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they're going to push it no matter what.
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And I know for a fact that they are not only grooming the children and still doing it,
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but they are trying to do it in such a secretive way of not alerting the parents while they
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do it.
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And I think the parents need to talk to their children and say, if the teacher brings
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up anything LGBT, trans, et cetera, start recording it, bring it home to me and let me see,
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let me see the curriculum, the paperwork they're giving you, and call them out.
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Yeah, parents need to know, parents need, and a lot of kids won't do that, but parents
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really need to work hard.
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If your kids are in the government schools, you've got to really strongly encourage them
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to let you know what they're being taught, told.
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I see you have on your resources there, public school exit, and so many others.
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They even have Freedom Project Academy.
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Imagine that.
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First, thanks brother.
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Yeah, thanks for that page on your website.
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It's homeschooling resources.
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You've got a lot of great links.
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So again, friends at GeorgeCarniel.com, just scroll down to the bottom and you see all
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those links.
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All right, 73% of Americans support parents being able to opt out their kids.
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And now 65% of Americans supported the recent Supreme Courts ruling that Catholic charities
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should have the same tax exemption that other religious charities are granted.
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So whether it's Catholic or Christian or, you know, just let's just understand that
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they're talking about the church or religious freedom.
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And before this ruling, churches or, you know, religious freedom issues were, we're still
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fighting that battle.
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We will be fighting that battle for a long time.
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But the bottom line in this particular case was they finally have the same exemption
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and they should have all along that other, quote, religious charities are granted.
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And some of those nonprofits, they're not Christian obviously, but go ahead share your thoughts
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on that, George.
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Absolutely.
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If Satanist can get a tax exemption, give it to the Catholics, Christians, and everyone
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else.
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So we're going to, we have to take a brief pause here.
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I'm looking at some other stats from this.
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But it looks like basically the surveys indicate there's a record number of Americans now supporting
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religious freedom, even sharing faith, sharing our faith, sharing the gospel in public.
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Now that's a, that's a switch, right?
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Because it used to be that we could believe whatever we want to as long as we kept it behind
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closed doors.
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But now more people may be are open.
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Maybe this is part of the Charlie Kirk effect we don't know.
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So we've got to take a brief pause.
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So the next article, George Carneal, is over at Harbinger's Daily.
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They do such great work and the media is such a huge issue.
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And unfortunately, even Christian media, you've got to be careful, friends, just because
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maybe something has Christian in the title.
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Oh my goodness, discernment is one of the words of the year for us.
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But this is by Jan Markelle, now she's from Minneapolis, St. Paul.
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We talked a lot in the past, Jan and I, we keep in touch about what happened when George
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Floyd was murdered, died, I shouldn't say murdered, but Minneapolis blew up.
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And unfortunately, a lot of innocent people lost their lives, a lot of people lost their
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businesses homes.
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It was just a wreck.
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And she said at that time, during that Black Lives Matter chaos, and where the police
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were told to stand down and where Kamala Harris and others were bailing people, felons
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out of prison to go back and protest.
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Markelle said Minneapolis looks like Somalia.
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She said that six years ago, right?
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So here in this article, it says, the spirit of the anti-Christ reigns again in my hometown.
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And she said, lo and behold, right now the same spirit reigns that we saw in 2020 this
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time, the accused are ICE agents doing their job.
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She said they're doing it well, but she said six years ago in the Twin Cities, a thousand
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properties were vandalized, looted, burned, or totally destroyed, along with apartments
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above these businesses and homes.
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And I mean, the media was in disbelief kind of around the country because we thought we
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had law in order, George Carneal.
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And I think that was very eye-opening for a lot of us.
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And even going back, and I hope the church has learned a lesson, but just your take on
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what's going on in Minneapolis, St. Paul, the rule of law, and just the rebellion against
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God and against, really, law in order.
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Yeah, a couple of things.
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It's interesting they can burn down a city and liberals will cheer that, but yet they
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had the audacity to scream and rail against the white Christian nationalists at the J6
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event.
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Their hypocrisy is stunning to me.
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And additionally, how they support the illegal criminals and those who are, you know, when
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you have Don Lemon walking into a church, harassing a pastor, you notice he would never do
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that at a Buddhist or a Hindu temple or at a mosque or at a synagogue.
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It's always the Christians they want to target.
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And I'm really hoping that people will really pressure Trump to make sure that he is arrested.
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Of course, we never see anybody get arrested, thanks to Pambondi and whomever else is in
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that administration.
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I don't know.
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Maybe they're on vacation, but he needs to be arrested and they need to make an example
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out of him or else this Christian persecution and harassment is going to continue.
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Yes.
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And I did see a couple headlines for Give Me For Not Having The Articles, but yeah, there
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are some news outlets, maybe conservative news outlets that are reporting that, yes,
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they are going after whatever that means.
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Don Lemon, I don't know, but he goes into a church.
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The church wasn't the issue, friends.
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We know the church is not an issue.
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He, George, you know, he's open homosexual.
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He used to be on, was it the Communist, no, he was on MSNBC, which is Marxist.
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No, he was, I think he was on CNN.
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Oh, yeah, that's what you just did.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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So here he is now leading a group or being a vocal part of this group of protesters against
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ICE, against law and order, going into a church, a Christian church.
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They're, I think they were trying to send a message.
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I think that riled up a lot of people and I think God help us.
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I pray that people will be held accountable for doing that because that would also send
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a message the other way.
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What do you think?
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Yeah, but I'm not sure sending Don Lemon to a prison where there's a bunch of horny
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male prisoners would be a punishment to him.
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So we might want to send him to the women's prison, just giving me my two students.
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That's funny.
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That, I'm sorry.
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That's good.
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That's funny.
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I don't know.
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But yeah, he won't go to prison.
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I'm quite confident of it.
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But I mean, there should be some consequences with these people.
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But basically, what's going on in Minneapolis St. Paul, it's not going to be confined in
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Minneapolis St. Paul because there are felons, there are thugs, there are illegal aliens
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that are criminals.
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We're talking about drug dealers, sex traffickers and rapists and more.
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Even some that have committed murder in different cities around the country that ICE is trying
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to go in and arrest that the Biden administration let come over or come into our country and didn't
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even care.
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So now, Trump and the administration, they're trying to clean up some, some of the mess and
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the chaos.
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And it's a tall order.
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I don't know where this is headed, but I don't know if they have the manpower, George.
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But we need to be praying for wisdom, for our president, for the administration and protection
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for not only police, but for ICE agents and that God would somehow convict some of these
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mayors and governors that are telling the police, you know, not to obey law.
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What's on the books, the laws on the books or to go against what the Trump administration
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is trying to do with before we move on to the next one, George, any other thoughts on
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that story?
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Yeah, just find it interesting that liberals are just so outraged at the illegals who committed
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a crime by coming into this country illegally or the fraud being exposed.
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They will defend them, but they suddenly have no care or concern for the Americans who
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have been murdered by these illegals with these long rap sheets or the fact that the American
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taxpayers are being fleeced by this fraudulent system.
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It's mind boggling the liberal mindset.
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Who can understand it?
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You know, I'll tell you, I've been talking to guests about that and just the average,
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the average open-minded, fair-minded American is furious about the fraud.
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But where are the fraud protests?
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Where are the protests about this massive waste and fraud that comes from American taxpayers?
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And it's going not only to people that are not even citizens, but they're sending
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their wiring, it transferring over to their own country to Somalia and other countries.
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And I'm going, wow, I didn't realize America was that rich, generous, and compassionate.
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No, they're doing this not with our permission.
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So that's what another angle of this that makes it infuriating.
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Five minutes left, George.
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I got to jump to this other story.
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Speaking of Minnesota, this is over at the Media Research Center.
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And this is just not surprising, but we've got to continue to call these people out.
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For six weeks, Google News quietly worked to throttle coverage of the widespread fraud
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allegations in Governor Tim Waltz and the Minnesota.
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And this is an exclusive at MRC.org.
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Four out of 840 stories.
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You heard that right.
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Four.
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In one hand, one, two, three, four stories only that highlighted some of the fraud, what
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was happening under Tim Waltz in Minnesota.
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So they've done 840 stories on something to do with this in Minnesota fraud and the governor,
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but only four of those stories touched on the dirty details.
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This is, I mean, the media, obviously we have some thoughts about that.
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Go ahead, George, before I get on my soapbox.
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Yeah, that's a soapbox I can get on as well.
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I'd like to call out all those Google people as well.
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I don't understand.
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This is, was it not reported that they found evidence that a lot of these social media
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platforms were trying to influence the election away from Trump?
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Yes.
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And Trump spoke about it, but yet he sits at the White House with Zuckerberg and the
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rest of these screwballs and they just act like, oh, let's just have dinner and talk
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and have a party.
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No one ever gets arrested.
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No one's held accountable.
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And that's why nothing happens.
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That's why these people feel emboldened to continue doing the crimes that they do because
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they know Trump is not going to do anything.
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It's infuriating.
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It is.
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And you know, the media has a hold, friends.
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In fact, they are not generally, now there are some people that go into the media or as
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journalists, or whether it's big tech or whatever, with good, maybe good intentions, maybe
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just trying to do a fair job.
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But who do they answer to?
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They got to answer to their higher ups who are going to direct them to do whatever.
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And if you want to keep your job, you're going to keep on slanting the news.
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So what they're trying to do is not report, here's what happened to the public.
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They're trying to form and shape public opinion, not trying to, they are.
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We saw that for one story example during the election before 2024, in 2020, the Hunter
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Biden laptop, that was buried, that was covered up.
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And they did a survey after that of, I don't know, any voter, Democrat Republican.
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And they said, yeah, maybe they didn't know about that story, but they probably maybe
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would have looked at the corruption in the Biden administration more closely if that was
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even in the news, but it didn't make the news, the Hunter Biden laptop, until afterwards.
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And then the lies, they said it was lies, ended up to be true.
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George, two minutes, if you want to take it on this story or whatever you want to share,
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because it is a frustrating time that we're in where there's a lot of deception, a lot
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of propaganda.
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Go ahead.
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David, I think I would close with this.
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I would just say to Christians, the time is getting short in terms of being able to
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share the gospel, and even with regard to the LGBT agenda, you must speak the truth
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in God's word, even the uncomfortable parts.
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And I know for a fact, the laws that are being enacted and passed around the world, especially
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Australia, Canada, Western Europe, they with the so-called digital ID and the, there's
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something about the, you have to have permission to get on the internet.
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I can't remember what it's called.
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They're slowly trying to impose upon our free speech.
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And also just saying something like Jesus is Lord or Christ is King is going to be seen
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as anti-Semitic or hate speech.
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And Australia, I think they're now trying to make it to where you can't even suggest
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to a gay person that it's wrong that you can change.
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And I'm telling Christians, you better get bold now because the window is getting tighter
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and shorter.
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It's closing.
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It is.
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And we've got listeners and viewers in different countries, but in America, we still have.
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Thank God the Constitution, the religious freedoms that we do.
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And friends, yeah, George made an excellent point.
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Maybe this is the year.
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Maybe we can take that next step and share the gospel with our neighbor or a co-worker or
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somebody that needs to hear it.
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Be a little more bold on social media or whatever that is.
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But yeah, there's even some newspaper outlets in Minnesota that are actually making the
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semoles, the victims and not talking about, anyways, just really, again, Isaiah 520, evil
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is called good.
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Good is called evil.
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Brother, thank you.
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Goes by fast.
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Lord willing, we'll talk to you again soon.
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Thanks, brother.
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Thanks.
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Appreciate your time.
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God bless you, friends.
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And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.